Friday Night Watch Party | 1992 BBC Documentary Gladio
Summary
➡ This text talks about a man who was a strong Nazi and worked as an informant for military intelligence. He provided information about communists and had connections with many former SS leaders. The man was part of a secret network that was either working with the government or independently, looking for people who could help in case of a Soviet occupation. There were also assassination teams linked to certain groups, and a list of politicians who might be used by the Soviet army to form a puppet government was created.
➡ In 1948, the U.S. realized it needed a covert operation team, leading to the creation of the CIA. The CIA’s first major operation helped the Christian Democrats defeat the communists in Italy. In Belgium, right-wing groups feared the rise of communism and formed stay-behind groups to resist it. In Italy, secret military and civilian organizations committed atrocities against civilians for political reasons, leading to the discovery of a secret government run by state secret services and political terrorists.
➡ This text talks about secret payments made to people connected with Italian secret services, some of whom were unaware of their involvement in bombings and kidnappings. It also discusses a period of violence in Belgium during the 1980s, where citizens were killed unexpectedly, with suspicions of secret service involvement. The text also mentions U.S. Army intelligence’s potential involvement in special operations to convince governments of the reality of insurgent danger. Lastly, it discusses the infiltration of ultra-leftist organizations when other methods of infiltration have failed.
➡ This text talks about a series of violent events and political unrest in Europe, particularly in Italy and Belgium. It mentions the formation of gangs and terrorist groups, and their activities, including kidnappings and killings. The text also discusses the involvement of secret services and the impact of these events on the public. Lastly, it refers to a person named Aldo Moro, a former Italian Prime Minister, who was kidnapped and later found dead.
➡ The speaker plans to organize something over the weekend and is looking forward to good weather after a long period of rain. They hope everyone has a great evening and will reconnect after the weekend, or on Monday.
Transcript
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For 40 years, secret terrorist organizations, many trained by western intelligence agencies, have manipulated the political control of european sovereign states by a campaign of terror and murder. Originally part of a secret network, these groups changed from being defenders of state security into attackers of the established political order. Until two years ago, that secret network was generally known by the single word gladio. On November 1990, the prime minister of Italy, Giulio Andriotti, revealed to his own parliament and the world the existence of a top secret european wide network of secret agents.
It was called Gladio. This network of stay behind groups was intended to fight a soviet invasion of Western Europe. And Riotti’s announcement led to an immediate reaction in the capitals of Europe. The suspicion was that some parts of the Gladio structures were involved in internal subversion. You stay behind Belgium. Corona play la cacion gladio paris candal quiet. Declaration on Italy Bala revelation on Italy Darizo stay behind, not reminisce.
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Benito Mussolini would be dead in six months. Adolf Hitler in less than a year, as the allied armies advanced on the capitals of Axis occupied Europe. The other war, the secret war of agents and partisan groups that had always been part of the bigger war, was to reach its own climax. SATA Obela, Chow Bella, Chow Bella, Chow Chow Chow I am you said let zanzari Obela, Chow Bella, Chow Bella, chow Chow Chow.
As the Germans withdrew, they left secret agents in the countries they had occupied. The secret services called such groups and stay behind. For the retreating Germans. They were the staunchest believers. They were selected from the SS and the fascist black legions. They were to become the foot soldiers of the next war about to begin, the Cold War. Dolly plan Doshi Italian Eric Watts Leonoisia Letan Waflama sit sulbatuxico.
See oil city Limina you ahead of the advancing allies, always with the first troops, was the OSS office of strategic services. And that part of the OSS charged with locating enemy stay behinds had been given the designation X two. I came in and sent by General Donovan and got in touch with the heads of the Committee of national, the military junta of the Committee of National, which is the joint partisan groups.
Andy Birding was the first X two guy who came into Rome and he’d been an old AP correspondent and I thought I could trust him, that he was a good guy. And so we turned over to him everything we had on the german stay behinds. Then Jim Angleton appeared in August. He began recruiting fascists because he figured that the best way to control the communists was to hire fascists.
One of the most tough ones was Prince Valerio Borghesi, who ran what was known as the 10th flotilla. These are the guys that would execute partisans and hang them from lampposts all over Italy. Chow Bella, Chow Bella, chow Chow Chow. Mami, remember Yokimo? Angleton made a deal with Borgese and then rushed up to save this commander from the partisans who would have lynched him anytime because he had lynched thousands of partisans.
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We sort of anticipated another world war and a world war that would be characterized by an occupation of western Europe by soviet forces. And therefore we were preparing to set up the base for a resistance movement which could exist during war. The Soviet Union was viewed as our primary antagonist, our enemy. And I think that was true. The stalinist period was a really vicious period in the Soviet Union.
And we thought in the late forty s and early fifty s that Stalin might invade Western Europe. It was the plan that I knew about, that the people who had a logical reason for being in a given area where we felt it was essential to have stay behinds and whose activities could continue even after an attack by the Warsaw act. He would be given the traditional training, he would know the location of some of the arms and communications caches and that he would be able, as a result of his training, to recruit additional personnel to augment his network, and that it would include not only just communications, but it would include the ability to use explosives.
The stay behind effort, in my view, was simply to be sure that if the worst came to worst, if a communist party came into power, that there would be some agents there who would tip us off and tell us what was happening and be around to provide the information. Even after the coup might occur. With the emergence of NATO in Western Europe, in specific response to the communist takeover in Czechoslovakia in 1948 and the Berlin blockade, directives were issued to establish Europe wide stay behind organizations along the lines which existed in the final years of World War II.
In western Europe, there was an amendment to the NATO protocol, and that amendment was absolutely necessary. You didn’t get in the door unless you sign. And what was in that amendment was the agreement of the government not to prosecute right wing activists, right wing activities, anticommunist activists in their own countries. It’s not unlikely that some right wing groups were recruited and made to be stay behind, because they would indeed have tipped us off if a war were going to begin.
So using right wingers, if you use them not politically but for intelligence purposes, is okay. In 1948, I was a special agent with CIC. That’s our counterintelligence corps in occupy Germany. I was stationed in Augsburg, and as such, since I spoke fluent Germany, I was assigned to handle a network of german informants. Among them was Klaus Barbie. And Klaus Barbie was. Later on, I discovered that he was wanted for murder by the French and that I reported this to my superiors, and they told me to keep nice and quiet.
He’s still valuable. When he’s no longer valuable, we’ll turn him over to the French. I thought that I was going to get a promotion when I told him about Barbie, and they told me to keep quiet. Colonel Gunther Bear now was an agent, an informant working for the military intelligence in Stuttgart. We had provided him a home, a safe house in Ludwigsburg, and there I met him three times a week.
And he brought us information about communists and whatever we wanted to hear. He told us he was certainly a very strong Nazi. I sat in his office one day and opened his album of pictures from the war. And in the middle of the album, it showed a nice picture of Adolf Hitler, several other high ranking SS officer who came to visit him in his safe house that we had provided.
And he told me that if for any reason he needs help, by one telephone call, he could contact 200 former SS leaders from Hamburg to Munich. I remember him taking me to one particular spot which we uncovered and dug it out. And there were rifles, small arms, grenades, all nicely wrapped in cosmolene. And he said, we have thousands of these all over the country. And that sort of made me a little suspicious.
And I reported this and they said, well, we know this. They’re all working for us in case the communists come across the Iron Curtain. A former general, SS General Powell Hauser, was a frequent visitor at Bernau’s house. And they worked together, handing Glove about certain programs which we didn’t know anything about. And I wasn’t even asked to find out more about it. Somebody above me must have been running this network already at that time.
The man in Adenau’s office who also had, I guess, his fullest confidence, who oversaw Gladiot in its earliest stages, was a fellow named Dr. Glopke, who was an ex Nazi who adnaue had brought into the government the way he brought a lot of ex Nazis into the government, because I guess his position was that these were the only people who really had any administrative experience. And so they were, I guess, de nazified, if you want to call it that.
They were cleaned up a little bit, like today, nazi tomorrow, democrat like, changing undershirts. What we were doing is either with the government secretly or independently on our own, looking for people who might perform this function in some country where you didn’t have that connection with the government or whatever, or maybe you did as a supplement, but maybe one or two extra people that would have this training would stay there during a soviet occupation and be the base that you could then talk about recruiting other people to join.
There was documentary material when Colby was station chief in Stockholm, that he had been in touch with former swedish volunteers in the nordic legions of the SS, the Raffen SS, and people who later came to be known, I guess, as Swayaburg, that he was recruiting these people. The first scandal connected to the stay behind groups broke in 1952 with the discovery of assassination teams linked to the Bundes Deutsche Jungun.
In all those countries, some elements of the social democratic or socialist parties aligned themselves with the communists into so called national unity parties, or socialist unity parties. The presumption was that should the soviet army make a move toward the west, they would try to build some kind of a german puppet government in the german territory, which they would occupy. The wood Deutsche Jugend was right wing political organization loosely affiliated with one of the political parties in the state of Hesse in Germany.
And it was deemed that these people have the motivation and the willingness to serve as part of the underground. Should the soviet army indeed overrun all or part of West Germany. Now, as part of these preparations, against that day, somebody’s enthusiasm ran away with his judgment, and they drew up a list of german politicians, including many prominent social democrats, who they thought might be the kind of people that the soviet army would look for in trying to organize a puppet government.
When the story broke, there was a considerable flap, and it was deemed desirable that General Truskut should personally explain to the people involved what had happened. And we explained the situation first to Sansar Conrad Adenaur of Germany. Then we explained it to General Matthew Ridgway, who was then the commander in chief of NATO. And finally, and most importantly, we explained it to Prime Minister George Sin of Hesse, who himself was on that list.
And Truscott explained to the hessian prime minister that this was an unauthorized activity, to be sure, only paper exercise, but of which he was unaware. And it certainly shouldn’t be interpreted as in any way casting his persons on our confidence in Prime Minister’s Inn. From the beginning, Gladio was really divided into two spheres of influence, british and american, because the original agreement between Sir Stuart Menzies and the x oss people, Wisner and those, had foreseen that the British would retain their sphere of influence in the countries that were traditionally british, such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Spain and the United States, had very little to do with those we’d see, or rather, I would see documents having to do with that.
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Although it was nominally with the Defense Intelligence Agency, it was staffed traditionally by the CIA. Secret service documents from several member countries reveal Gladio to be a european wide organization, including Denmark, Norway, Holland, Spain, Turkey, and Greece. All Gladio’s secret information is coordinated in Brussels through the CPC clandestine Planning Committee, which meets periodically, with the chairmanship being handed from one country’s secret service to the next. The entire organization is handled outside of NATO.
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So it was always, we’ll help you, we’ll teach you how to do something, but you guys have to do it yourselves, and we’re not even going to tell you what to do. But we assume that, you know, I was once in charge of low country affairs and I know how the Dutch and the Belgians and the Luxembourge felt about stay behind and how very carefully they handled it and how extremely secret it was.
I know when I was chief in the low countries, the chief of service didn’t want to discuss it in his office. We’d walk in the park and talk about burials that were being put down, communication equipment, whether or not the latest equipment they had, and so forth, albeit albeitalier. Mario Shelba Mario Shelba my explicit gladioli pomontre pactuan Italia Natako Pari Okano Pascapuru Numerous of Yeti Louis of a de Podaram it is a keep that there were people inside the american government, George Kennedy and most notably, who were arguing that the chance of the communist party winning the 1948 elections was so great that the United States should use military force to stop the elections, not hold the elections at all.
Just cancel the elections. Send the army in and say to the communists, we’re not going to risk elections because there’s a chance of you winning. Well, this was laughed out of school by the president and the secretary of state and all other responsible government officials. None of that was ever put into effect. And the United States said, okay, we’ll run the elections, and we’ll compete in the elections.
General Marshall and James Forrestall and Alan Dulles all realized that in 1948, it was an absolutely critical moment and that the United States didn’t have. They had an intelligence service which was quite new and young. It could collect intelligence, it could have counterintelligence, it could do everything, but it could not carry out a covert operation. There was no charter for it. And so that was remedied quite rapidly in 19, 47, 48.
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Earlier, there had been an attempt on Taliati’s life. It’s never been discovered who was behind this, but the italian press declared that it was the work of a madman. Gladio exists on Italy, Maui, on his fine Avon. September may come. Ila Fon Suval is America. So Monte Altra. After the war, a rather powerful communist party arose, having, I think, 21 members of parliament, which was unique in Belgium.
It never happened before. And given the international context of communism, right wing people were, of course, afraid of what they called communist danger in Belgium. Julie Lao was an honorary president of the Belgian Communist Party, which doesn’t mean he was the most powerful man in the party, but he was a symbol for workers action. He was arrested by the Germans and liberated in 45, and at that moment was not appointed honorary president.
He was also the man who, at the beginning of August 1950, when Prince Boldois, who is now king of the Belgians, took his oath, Lau was the man who cried in the parliament, Viva Republic. King Leopold had deported to Germany, then to Switzerland, after the war and centre right and right wing were agitating to bring him back on the throne. The left wing was opposed to the return of the king, so the right wingers were for the return of the king.
And some of these groups established in 1948 its first contacts within the american embassy with an officer called Parker, who insisted on not only leopoldist agitation, he insisted on the formation of stay behind groups to assure anticommunist resistance was murdered in 1950. The man who killed Lao came out of a right wing resistance group which was called the secret army la mesa. And very soon after the war he was engaged in anticommunist intelligence and action work.
And the action work was done among other people, with Mr. Andre Moya making it a pace because. Yeah. Certain partish lottery maraconte semi donated the tie love me lover employee Kelvati ho. Don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t don’t it. My daughter had gone on holiday with her boyfriend and five days into their holiday, on the 2 August, they were killed in the Bologna train bombing explosion and they managed to identify Catherine’s body later on Monday that she was horribly disfigured.
They only recognized her by Miss Salford’s blows. In 1980, a bomb exploded at Bologna railway station which killed 86 people. Six years later, an official report revealed the existence of an invisible government in Italy run by the state secret services and groups of political terrorists. It also identified a secret military and civilian organization under which neo fascist groups were allowed to commit atrocities against civilians for political motives.
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Strategic Persona to t. There’s no evidence that the Americans paid the terrorists or those who ordered the bombings. But secret CIa documents do reveal a pattern of payments to people connected with the italian secret services, some of whom knew nothing at all about Gladio’s role in bombings and kidnappings. There’s a MIBS document which lists people and their importance and what they received monthly. For instance, a fellow named Guido Gianatini, on a scale, was a five and he only received $1,000 a month.
Now, Pinot Routi was a two, he received 4000 a month. Sara Valley was a one and got 6000 a month. Alivena was a one, he got 5000. Micheli was a one who got 5000 a month. Damato was a one who was paid out of an embassy fund. Couchy was a five. He was paid directly by Leechio jelly. 30 years of innocence and peace in Belgium were shattered in the early 1980s.
Citizens with no expectations of violence were murdered while shopping. No one knew who, no one knew why. Some suspected that right wing elements in the secret services had penetrated left wing groups and had even killed their own police to deflect attention from themselves. The suspicion was never proven, but nor did it ever go away. Top secret. There may be times when host country governments show passivity or indecision in the face of communist subversion.
US army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince host country governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger. U. S. Army intelligence should seek to penetrate the insurgency by means of agents on special assignment with the task of forming special action groups among the most radical elements of the insurgency. I never heard such a thing. Frankly, I don’t know the origin of the statement.
And you can find any statement in any country. I mean, you can find jackass statements anywhere. I suspect it is an authentic document. I don’t doubt it. I never saw it. But it’s the kind of special forces military operations that are described. On the other hand, you’ve got to recall that the Defense Department and the president don’t initiate any of those orders until there is an appropriate occasion.
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Well, they. So that was something that aired back in 1992 on BBC. There’s not a lot out there on Gladio. Most of it is in book form, which is why Towner’s work is so good, because what she’s doing is going through all the books. And anyway, a lot of the stuff that she’s doing is wonderful. Amazing. So I’m going to be putting her back on hopefully soon, but I’m going to try to find some other information on Gladio and start to delve into it a little bit more thoroughly just because it’s just such a monstrous topic.
The primary reason that most of this stuff was the italian subtitles is because it was revealed in Italy first. That was where it really came out. Mean. But you look at all of the innocent people who paid with their lives. It’s actually quite disgusting. Yeah. The colonel is extraordinarily well read yarn. Extraordinarily well read. It was very interesting because when her and I spoke, and I don’t say this braggingly at all, I was actually very humbled when she said, she said that of all the people that she’s ever talked to that I was the most knowledgeable about Gladio.
And when she said that, I was like, stunned. I couldn’t believe of all the people in the world that she’s ever talked to that I would be the one that would know the most, probably because I’ve read a few books on it and most people haven’t. But she’s much more well versed than I. Anyway, I’ve been trying to spruce up on my gladio, going back through some of the books that I’ve read and actually reading some new ones right now I’m going through the book called CIA as organized Crime by Valentine.
And anyway, I’m going to be going through several of his books. He’s written several that look very appealing. One about Operation Phoenix. I don’t know. That looks really interesting. Let’s see. I could do, well, the gladio thing from six months ago. I could do that again. That’s not a bad idea because a lot of people probably don’t know it. All it really is is that it’s just the interview of Paul Williams.
It’s a radio broadcast from like coast to coast or some caravan to midnight or something like that. But I can do that again. That’s not a problem. I’ll set that up this weekend. So. Yeah, it’s very interesting stuff. Very interesting stuff. All right, guys, well, that’s going to be it for tonight. I hope you all have a wonderful evening. And if I don’t see over the weekend, I will see you on Monday.
We’ll see what happens. We’ll see how things play out. It’s supposed to actually be some nice weather this weekend, and I may get out and go do a few things just because I need to get some stuff done. It’s been freaking raining here forever, so this is going to be the first weekend that I’ve had a chance to actually get out and do something where it hasn’t been pouring down rain.
All right, everybody, have a wonderful evening, and I will see you again when I see you. Have a good night, everybody. Bye. .
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