Summary
➡ The speakers discuss the changing media environment, noting traditional TV’s dwindling credibility and the rise of new media outlets. They also critique the bias and dishonesty of old media, referencing incidents such as the Russia hoax, and express concern over perceived hostility towards their ideological group. They consider the generational gap in adjusting to new media platforms, while also discussing the potential for older people to adapt with assistance from younger relatives.
➡ The speaker rails against media bias, liberal ideologies, and argues that the United States seems to be straying from its core Christian values, drawing a distinction between the Western and Eastern worldview. They assert that some political figures believe in a hierarchy of value between different ethnic and racial groups, leading to moral imbalance and collective punishment. They also emphasize the need for supporting alternative media like Tuckercarlson.com.
➡ The speaker critiques the left’s ideology, comments on their opposition to anything ‘the right’ supports, and discusses the demographic changes hinted at by the left, with white people becoming a minority. They express concern over the potential mistreatment of whites in the future, drawing parallels with South Africa’s decline post-apartheid.
➡ The speaker expresses concern about racial tension and violence, pupil’s perceived mistreatment of white populations, and fears about escalated tension leading to potential harm. The speaker also points to the pressing need for open, rational discussions about race to prevent further conflict.
➡ The speaker expressed concerns about potential civil unrest if Trump wins the next election. They cited a document from the Democracy Integrity Project which encourages a “street fight”, and worries stemmed from the belief that Democrats won’t accept a Trump win, as they believe these groups don’t believe in democracy and have previously shown no boundaries, including use of the U.S military against the U.S population. Lastly, the speaker announced Part 2 of the discussion with Tucker Carlson will air the next day.
Transcript
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All right, let’s dig right into it. Part one, my interview with the great Tucker Carlson. Welcome to the Dan Bongino show, probably my most anticipated interview ever. I ask people all the time, like, who do you want me to interview? And this name is always, pretty much always number one. Finally made it. Love this guy. Our good friend Tucker Carlson. Tucker, thanks so much for spending some time with us.
Really honored you’re here. Thanks a lot. Well, I’m honored to be here. Are you kidding? Thank you. You’re a good man. We used to share a floor together up at our former employer at Fox. Your team had most of it. They stuck us in like a corner. You know, we’ve known each other for a long time. You were always so nice to me and my family. You took a picture with my dad at the Patriot awards.
My dad has it prominently displayed above me, by the way, in his garage, in his house, which is kind of telling. Can I say one thing? It wasn’t just we shared the same floor, we shared the same views and management shared the same view of actually had a lot in common. I was on the air doing this live by podcast, live at 11:00 and I’m doing this show live and I see this break and I remember Harris Faulkner had said something like in newsbreak, tucker, Carl.
And I was like, wait, what? Because I had just left a week earlier and I’m sitting here, I mean, legit for me, it was like, you know, those moments, like when you were a kid, you remember sadly, all these tragic moments, but you know exactly what was going on for me in the media. I didn’t see that coming. A lot of people tie you and me together because we left.
But I had no idea. And from what I heard from you, just publicly, you didn’t either. I mean, I didn’t really plan on digging too deep into it, but what happened exactly there? Well, I don’t know. I was surprised, too. It actually, weirdly was I had just finished writing my script in my living room with my dogs, drinking coffee, banging this thing out. I filed the script. I look at my calendar, what do I have to do today? And it said, 6th anniversary of the show at 08:00 I was like, oh, that’s kind of cool.
And then, boom, I get a call from the head of the channel, called me, and I thought, oh, probably wishing me congratulations. And it was, of course, canceling the show. So I was completely surprised. But I wasn’t shocked on a deeper level because of course, I knew I was out of step and it wasn’t my company. And by the way, I wasn’t mad about it. I was just, like, confused.
But I wasn’t mad then or now at all. Yeah, exactly. First of all, it wasn’t my company. And I served at their pleasure, the family that owns it for the entire 14 years I was there. And our deal always was, I’m not going to take orders on what to say. It’s your network. If you don’t like it, take me off the air. And one day they did. I mean, that was really an explicit agreement that I had.
So I don’t know how I could complain, really. They did a lot for me. And I am very happy to be doing something else, and I’m very happy not to be in that business anymore. So grateful every day. So I can’t say, like, I feel misused or something. I wasn’t. Yeah. And I think you’ve displayed an inordinate amount of class here. I mean, a lot of guys would have left and burned a place down and listen, like you, I kind of feel the same way.
There’s a lot of friends I still have there, a lot of good people. Just. It just wasn’t a good fit. I mean, at that time, it didn’t work. I was going to get to this at the end, but I knew when I talked to, like, I throw the whole conscript out the window. I read a long form. It’s really like you and Megan I could talk to forever.
I read a long form. You did? I think it was a New Yorker, but I’m not sure. Forgive me, but you had said something at the end, and I really laughed when I read it because I kind of, like, stole it and embraced it myself. You said once in a while you got to throw just a shit grenade in the tent. I mean, if there’s a lot of just garbage stuff going on, you can’t be afraid to run away from the hot stuff.
But the hard reality, like you just said, is when it’s not your company, that may not be their bag of donuts, but that doesn’t mean you’re going to keep doing it. There now you got to do what you’re doing now@tuckercarsonnetwork. com. Well, I mean, look at what just in your life you left under. Whatever. I’m not exactly sure why they let you go, though. I think we both know.
And then look what happened to your life. It’s just so much better. So that is the biggest change. I got into this in my 20s. I’m now 54, so that’s a whole lifetime. I’ve been in this business at every one of the networks. And for most of the time, the rule was like, if you’re not working here, guys like me, I had no other skills. I was not in law enforcement.
I wasn’t in anything. I’ve been a journalist since I was 22, so I couldn’t really do anything else. It’s not like I’m going to go become a landscape architect or something. I’m a talk show host. That’s all I am. And you couldn’t leave because there was nowhere else to work. And all of a sudden, it’s like, not only is there another place to work, it’s way better on every level.
It’s happier. You can make a real living. You get a bigger audience. It’s just amazing. And so I’m not sure the old model, and I’m not gloating over it. I don’t like the destruction of anything. I’m for building, not destroying, but just as a matter of fact, I don’t see how that old model continues. Know it has no credibility. No one really wants to watch that. And I don’t think it’s going to be around in a few years.
It’s a huge problem, Tucker. It’s a huge, especially in this inflationary era where people are cutting costs. There are a lot of folks out there know I’m going through my monthly budget, and I don’t get it. Like when I could get there on x, I can get here. Not x Twitter, but x variable wise, I can get for free. You’ve got this diaspora of people, to quote a group of people that hate us.
But it’s true of people who’ve left who are producing content that’s mostly free, you can go get elsewhere. And that kind of leads to my first question. I was going to talk about this whole new media environment. You, Megan, everyone from Bill O’Reilly to Glenn Beck, you got mixtures of SVOD, ex Twitter Rumble, YouTube, all this different blend of stuff. The upside to it is you control your own stuff, which you, you’ve kind of controlled it anyway at Fox.
Anyone who knows their work there knows it. But now you can really just do it with no fear being taken down. But I see the issue and I want to get your thoughts on this to give kind of a full scope pros and cons. The only downside is the older generation, we have what I call the two button problem. People are used to going to their remote hitting power, and Fox or Oan or Newsmax is on, all you hit is power.
You don’t have to do anything else. That’s it. The younger generation, it’s not an issue they’ll go through. They know exactly how to log into Amazon prime and Rumble and YouTube and live stream. But the older generation, I’ll go out and I’m not going to lie to you, it still gets under my skin when people say to me, oh, what happened, man? I haven’t seen you in forever since you left Fox.
I live stream 100,000 people there. But I get it. I told it, the two button problem is kind of a thing that’s going to go away. But it’s still there now. Yeah, no, we talk about this all the time. I’ve been on television since the mid 1990s. I was on the set when the Monica Lewinsky thing broke. That’s how old I am. So, yes, I get it. And so we’re going on tvs actually pretty soon and it’s not that difficult at all.
I mean, you can get a stick, you can sell it or give it away, put it in your tv and bam, it comes up. And we actually were waiting to launch until we did that. But I just thought, I can’t wait any longer. It’s been seven months. So we launched. But no, in a few months we’re doing that. And I have no idea what kind of audience will pick up from that.
I don’t have a tv. I haven’t had a tv in many years, so I’m not a tv watcher. My wife hates it, so we just don’t have it. But I think a lot of people, a lot of smart people, everyone has a tv or a lot of people have tv, so why would you miss out on that? And I don’t think the technology is that difficult at all.
We things going on and haven’t finished that, but we will. And you got the grandkid solution, Tucker. The grandkid comes in and shows you in two steps, right? Hey, ma, you plug the stick in, grandma. You do that, right. I don’t have any grandkids yet. I wish I had grandkids. I’m not that much farther behind. I’m going to be 50 next year, brother. I’m no spring chicken anymore.
Don’t let these generally good looks and young skin actually fool you. I’m an old man. I’m dying. Of course I kid, folks. I’m not actually that arrogant. That’s why I’m on the radio more than anything. I got a face for that. But this new media environment you and I are in, which is on demand. People just want their stuff on demand. They wanted Vod. They want to find Tucker Carlson.
You’re going to have Tuckercarsonnetwork. com, which is where people can go and get that content and subscribe. We’re going to throw that up on the chiron of the show. And it’s also going to be an email, folks. You can link right to it. Go right there. But Tucker, there’s a long. There we go. Look it up. Look at, gee, he’s all over it. Look at this guy. Producer.
Very. Yeah, this is nice. Tuckercarlson. com sorry. Tuckercarlson. com gallup I want to throw this Gallup poll up on the screen. Tucker, the reason new know you and I and others who’ve left the kind of old ecosystem are doing our thing, I think works is because the old media sucks. It just sucks. Nobody trusts them after Spygate, the Russia hoax, the impeachment, know then them covering for the Soviet Union with the New York Times debacle over the decades.
So I pulled up this Gallup poll. Here’s people’s confidence in the media. It’s at an all time low, but it matches 2016, right before Trump got in there. Tucker, people aren’t dumb. Like, you can see the chart right here. You can only lie to people so long before they’re like, you’re kind of full of shit. And I don’t want to waste my time with you anymore. I think that’s right.
And it’s not just, I mean, I’ve always thought, because my dad was in the media, I’ve always thought there was distortion in the media. But it’s only been in the last several years that you can feel the malice in mean, life expectancy in the United States literally declined. Like, people are dying, younger, particularly rural people, old America. And they think that’s fine. And so there’s a sense in which they kind of want to kill you.
I mean, they hate you and they want to hurt you, and that’s scary. So it’s not just that they’re dishonest, it’s that they’re cruel and that they seek your destruction. You watch these people from January Cisco to prison, who didn’t do anything wrong, and it destroys their lives. And the media cheerleader, they murder. You know, Michael Bird murdered this girl, and that’s totally fine with the media. So if they’re know, Ashley Babbitt’s a military veteran, she was unarmed.
She didn’t do anything wrong. She was standing at a doorway inside the people’s house. Is that a death penalty offense? No, it’s not. And yet they cheered that on. So if they’re happy to see Ashley Babbitt get murdered, how would they feel about my murder? Well, they would celebrate it, of course. So these aren’t just liars. These are your blood enemies. I mean, that’s real. That’s how I feel about it, anyway.
Doesn’t the temerity of it kind of, like, burrow under like a tick? I mean, I just wrote down a few things. The Russia hoax was the single dumbest line of bullshit. Anyone who knew Donald Trump, you know him, Tucker? He’s a a. He doesn’t even hide it. If you shake his hand, he has no problem whatsoever asking someone for what we used to call the alcohol. That’s a scale gel stuff, because he’s a.
Even he admits it. So you’re like, listen to this story. So he was getting peed on by some hookers in Russia. Do you even know this guy? It was the dumbest bullshit story ever, and supposedly, I know I don’t even want to get going because I’ll go for it because there’s so much more. But, like, how the did you fall for this? And the answer is, they didn’t.
They had to know it was bullshit. And like you just said, they just freaking hate you. They think you’re a piece of shit. They hate your guts. And this was a pure hierarchical power play. Like, we’re going to just tell you bullshit, and you’re going to believe it. When Rush Limbaugh died, they celebrated. They literally celebrated. Now I’m thinking, like, maybe you don’t like Rush Limbaugh. I knew Rush Limbaugh and liked him a, you know, I share his politics.
Maybe lots of people die. I don’t like to celebrate a man’s death on the day he dies. Suggests a level of cruelty and sort of inhuman disregard for another person. If you don’t respect death, you don’t respect life, and these people don’t. And again, I think they have genocidal instincts. I mean, they’d like the old America to go away. And they say that all the time. That’s what the anti white stuff is about.
What do you think that is? Where did that come the, that’s the desire to kill you. And I don’t think I’m overstating it at all. No, I don’t think you’re overstating it at all, either. I mean, they’ll tell you to this day that the Russia hoax was real, but the spying operation on Donald Trump wasn’t. And then I wrote three books extensively endnoted with left wing sources. I mean, I only use left wing sources.
So when they come to me, that’s why they never reviewed the books, because they’d be like, oh, this book is bullshit. I’d be like, oh, it’s fascinating. I used your sources. And they’d be like, he’s never spied on. And be like, oh, here’s this CNN article, 2017 by Pamela Brown. And was it Eric Bradder that says that the british intel passed information to the Americans about Donald Trump? How do you explain that? It’s still up on your website, and then all of a sudden, they shut the hell up.
These people are insane. I mean, the 51 intel officials who said a computer, hunter Biden, Tucker, the dude dropped it off. The guy recognized him. He signs his name with his address with a computer with a Biden family sticker on it, with emails, texts, and photos of a naked hunter Biden and dipshits in the media. And the 51 intel people are like, yeah, sounds to me like a russian thing.
And these freaking liberal assholes are like, sounds legit. You got to be scratching your head. Am I in, like, bizarro superman land? No. What we’re all in the middle of is a process of rethinking our assumptions about the know what’s real. Who’s on my know? Where is this going? What’s the point of, like, why would you wreck your own country, which they’ve done? Why would you let in tens of millions of people from Africa and Latin America you know nothing about when we don’t need the labor of, like, what is that? And of course, what you’re watching is like the intentional detonation of the United States.
But why would anyone want to do mean, these are very deep questions. I think about them all the time. I don’t think that they have political answers. I think it’s deeper than that. But whatever. No, it’s hard to digest. I guess that’s the only point I’m making. It’s hard to digest. There’s too much. It’s too horrible. We’re not disagreeing about tax rates here. We’re talking about the deaths of whole populations.
It’s really heavy and hard to deal with. Tuckercarlson. com is the website. I strongly encourage you to support this man and his work. Tuckercarlson. com, ladies and gentlemen, you get some of the best content. And not just that, this new media ecosystem is the future. Get in there. Get in there early, Tucker. I want to jump to this hierarchy argument versus hypocrisy, something I make on my podcast all the time.
I’ve heard on your show often, but just quickly, you had said something there that kind of struck me. It’s another argument I bring up a lot, even on the Fox show when I was doing it. This is intentional. I mean, when you look at what you said, an open, destructive border, fentanyl trafficking, little kids getting sex trafficked, this isn’t a conspiracy theory. These things are happening. When you look at the debasing of our currency, when you look at the destruction of american pride, a very simple idea.
I mean, if you had a treehouse club, you’d want to be proud to be a part of it, right? Or no one would. These are just really simple ideas. The left isn’t doing this by accident. This destruction agenda is an effort to bring about their liberal dystopia. So I think the point that you often make is really important, that it’s not about hypocrisy. It’s about hierarchy, really. If you take three steps back, what you’re watching is the end of western ideas supplanted by eastern ideas.
So the core western idea is universalism. We have principles, and they apply to everybody. Doesn’t matter what you look like, what your religion is, everybody is treated exactly the same because we’re all created by God. This is the basic christian idea, and we all have certain inalienable rights that govern the relationship of the state to the citizen. So that’s the western understanding. The eastern understanding, which is what we’re living under now, is that no there’s a permanent God given hierarchy.
Some groups are better, inherently better than others, and they deserve better treatment, and therefore they live by different standards. It’s not just that these people are, like, getting away with shit because they can. They have a different worldview. They believe that certain groups, certain ethnicities, races, I mean, that’s how they mean it sort of blows. I always. Because I’m so dumb. It takes me, like years to figure this stuff out.
But I’m like, wait, you just built a Martin Luther King memorial that says we’re all the same underneath, right? But you’re now telling us that some races are better than others. Like, what is this? But what it is is the end of the basic western understanding of the christian understanding of the world. And people piss on Christianity all the time, of course, but you don’t need to be a Christian to see the benefit of living in a christian country.
In a christian country, universal principles reign. And the core assumption is we’re all morally equal. Not in our actions. Some people are good in the way they act, some are bad, but our moral value is the same. And the people who run the country don’t share that. No. No, they don’t. I was looking at this article the other day in, you know, about Hunter Biden, who is just ignoring this congressional subpoena.
And it was funny. I opened up my show the day after it happened, and, you know, you’re never going to believe it, folks. I found a Democrat with principles. I’m going to run some audio here of Nancy Pelosi objecting strongly to this ignoring of a lawfully issued congressional subpoena. And the audience obviously being a little confused. I played the audio. It’s real. And of course, it’s not about Hunter.
It’s about, you know, Steve Bannon. When he ignored it, Nancy Pelosi wanted him locked up. He got to go to jail. Even Joe Biden himself. He got to enforce the law. But now that his kid does it, it’s a groundball black and white situation. You believe in objective truth in the law. You don’t. And the left’s like, we really don’t. I always have this. Someone gave me this at a book sign, and this is like middle finger thing.
They’re like this, go fuck yourself. We don’t really care about your value. And it’s like what you just said. The core essential component of collectivism is this idea that objective truth means nothing because it’s obviously the opposite of their subjective ability to treat people differently. If I say Tucker and Dan have the same big r, God given rights. I can’t treat them by natural law differently. But when I wipe that shit out and no, no, it’s all rich.
He’s, you know, his dad was smart. He had a leg up. And he’s white, of course. So f that guy I’m going to take from him and give to Dan, you have to wipe all of it out. And it becomes a system of rankings of grievances. And sadly, as you just said, with this bullshit intersectionality stuff, that’s where we are now. And guys like you and me are at the bottom.
Well, sure. Because if you don’t believe in western values, a euphemism for christian values, universal values that apply to everyone equally, then you believe in collective punishment. Like, I don’t like what your parents did, I don’t like what your grandparents did, I don’t like what people who look like you did, therefore, I’m going to punish you. That’s totally incompatible with the western view of government or justice completely.
But it is entirely compatible with the eastern view. It’s what the Soviets did, it’s what Mao did, and they were both able to do that. And the North Koreans do it to this day. They put the families of political dissonance in prison, too, because that’s the eastern view of justice. We’re punishing the whole group, and that’s happening here. And I just feel like we’re not taking the time to appreciate why this is happening.
It’s not just like we got some especially corrupt group of people in power. Yeah, they’re very corrupt, but they have a different worldview. That’s it. And that’s why they’re not embarrassed. So that’s the key thing. If you caught me stealing, and I don’t believe in stealing, but maybe under certain circumstances, I would steal, but if you caught me, I would be deeply ashamed of it. I really would.
If you caught me being a hypocrite, I would be deeply ashamed. My face would turn red. I couldn’t help it. You catch them, it’s not a problem, because they think they’re part of a group that’s superior to you. Yeah, tuckercarlson. com is the place where you can get Tucker’s content. Subscribe. It’s going to be fantastic, folks. He’s got big plans here. Tuckercarlson. com Tucker, I’m going to take a quick break.
I’ll get right back to you. But before we go, I just want to say this is the one thing I really miss. I’m not knocking anyone else at any other network or anyone on the network. Now, they’re all good friends of mine, whatever. But your 08:00 monos, man, it was just absolutely appointment tv because you really got the, I mean, I’d have my dad call. He’s a huge fan of your show, calling me sometimes.
Like, man, I never really, never really thought about it that way before. And you get into that. I always say all the, it’s the why matters. It’s kind of a simplistic thing I use on my show. But once you understand the core ideology of why the left’s doing what they’re all, you’ll never ask questions like, why is it they throw gays off buildings in Iran? And over here they want an Iran deal.
Well, if you read David Horowitz’s book about unholy alliance, you figure out that we’re just the anti anti communists. We’re fighting. We’re the anti communists and they’re the anti anti communists. So whatever we’re for, they’re against because we’re in their way. So your price is. Let me take a quick break and I’ll get right back with Tucker Carlson. We’ll be right back. Diversify your savings with physical precious metals while stockpiling silver in your home safe.
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Gee, I’m going to go a little bit out of order here. I’m sorry. I know I gave you these elements in order, but this replacement theory, theory, the hilarious thing about this is if you mention it, it’s considered this big right wing conspiracy theory. The only problem is the only time I mention replacement theory is when I’m literally quoting the left. Let me just show you a few elements.
And this, of course it’s this theory the left has that they can bring in a bunch of people demographically for a power base in the United States to get votes. I’m going to prove to you right here, this is their thing. But when you notice they hate it, here is an op ed in the New York Times. This is very real. It’s literally called, and I hate the word literally, Tucker, we can replace them in the New York Times by Michelle Goldberg, dated October 29, 2018, that’s the actual title.
Wait, here’s where it gets even better. Here is a later op ed in the same paper. White people fearful of being replaced in the opinion. You’re like, holy shit, I’m reading the same paper. So I play this little supercut. Just a minute. I won’t make you sit through a lot, but it’s just a minute long. This is a hat tip. I think this was Tom Elliot over at Grabian.
Here is a super cut of the Democrats talking about demographic destiny. But when you talk about it, Tucker, we’re definitely Ku Klux Klan members. 100%. Here, listen to this. Check this out. Coming out into the open in a few years, we’re going to be a majority brown country. White people will not be the majority in the country anymore. This will be the first generation ever in american history in which whites will be a minority of the generation at some point as of 2007, every year, babies being born in this country.
Whites now are the minority. In 2044, everyone is going to be a minority as the demographics change, as white people become the minority in the country, which is coming. Demographics is destiny. Demographics is destiny. Demographics is destiny. Right? The country is changing. I’ve been saying it here. Other people have been saying it here for years now, even before Donald Trump. The demographics is destiny. The white population is declining for the first time in history in America, while the number of multiracial Americans have more than doubled.
So we live in a country where the demographics are changing. It’s becoming less white. Correct. Okay. You’ll be announcing that we’re calling the 38 electoral votes of Texas for the democratic nominee for president. It’s changing. It’s going to become a purple state and then a blue state because of the demographic. That’s their own word. That’s not me. I’m not in there. And yet whenever I mention, why are you democrats so obsessed with the southern border, demographic destiny and illegal immigration.
You can’t say that you’re like a Nazi or something. It’s not happening, Tucker. But it’s great that it is, right? It’s exactly right. But is it great? I mean, it’s interesting. And you could have thrown in a Biden clip who said the same thing. This is going to be a non white country. Okay, but they’ve been telling us two things for about 20 years now. One, that whites are going to be a minority, which is true.
They haven’t explained why I should be excited about that. I am white and so are my kids. Maybe there’s a reason I haven’t heard it. But they’ve also told us that minorities in America are mistreated by definition because they’re minorities. And then at the same time, they’ve shown sort of unremitting hostility to Whites. In fact, our entire government and private sector are organized to discriminate against whites. So how is this good? I’m sort of missing.
This is a country that was founded by whites. Our systems were all created by white men, every one of them, along with the airplane. So those are just facts. Why should I be excited about being a hated minority in a country that my ancestors built? Shut up, white supremacist. Well, actually, every time. Not a white supremacist. I’m not a racist. I actually didn’t grow up in a country where I thought much about race.
Oh, that’s white privilege. Okay, maybe it was. But I grew up right on the southern border, actually very close to Tijuana. And we did not talk about race. I, speaking for myself, never thought about it. I certainly wasn’t anti mexican. I like Mexicans. To this day, I really like Mexicans. But whatever. They have forced the whole country to talk about race constantly and to attack whites constantly and then tell you that you’re going to be a minority.
Yes, you’re going to be mistreated. And no, you can’t complain about it. And at that point, you’re like, what exactly are we looking at? Oh, you’re trying to kill me. If they talked about Jews this way or Filipinos, right? Or, I don’t know, Samoans, pick. Any group, members of that group would be like, wow, man, you kind of want to kill me, don’t you? Because you sound like you do.
You act like you do. You’re freaking me out. You’re making me paranoid. Paranoid. If you are paranoid about that, however, it’s a federal crime. It’s a felony you go to jail for. So, like, what are we looking at? And last thing I would say is that South Africa is the country that they loved most. And american liberals brought about an end to apartheid, okay. And were deeply involved in the process of reconstruction after 1994 in South Africa.
What happened next? Well, they haven’t really told us much about it. Do you know anyone who lives in South Africa who’s white? Well, it’s hell because you are mistreated, you were discriminated against, and you are very often killed. And so why shouldn’t all of that make me nervous? I mean, I’m serious, and I’m saying that as a sincere non racist. But what the hell are we looking at here? And why can’t anyone talk about it? And the fact that you can’t talk about it makes it even scarier.
And like, what are these people thinking? And why are they so hostile? I look at someone, I mean, I know a lot of those people who you just put on the screen, and it’s like, why are they so mad at the native population of the country? Why are they so mad at White Ron Brownstein, where’s that animus come from, actually? I mean, like, what is that, Tucker does, I mean, I know it must kind of irk you even more that the definition of what white is is not even rigid.
It’s malleable. And what we’ve seen with these dreadful college presidents who humiliated themselves in the country at the Capitol Hill hearing when they needed context for genocide, their definition, some of these woke leftists of what white is, is entirely independent of the melanin component of your skin. If you’re a successful asian, right, you’re white adjacent. What the is that white adjacent? And then they’re like, well, Jews, it’s different.
Even though many Jews who live in Israel are in fact of middle eastern descent and are not in fact, in any way white. Or, wow, you guys are definitely like, it doesn’t even mean anything. It’s just an excuse to shit on people who get in their way on their path to power. Well, what’s interesting, and again, ominous, and we need to fix this. We need to deracialize our public conversation immediately or people are going to get hurt very soon.
So we’ve imported tens and tens and tens of millions of non white immigrants. Okay, I’ll speak for myself. The fact that they’re not white is not the first thing that occurs to me. I really don’t, and try actively not to see the world that way because I don’t think it’s healthy. But they’re coming into a country in which they’re immediately being told that white people are bad. So why are we brainwashing our immediate arrivals, these new immigrants, with anti white racism? And how do we think that works in the end? How do we think that ends? It ends with violence.
If we told people, and this is one of the things that’s come out of the hearings that you refer to, if you tell people that jews are bad, well, they’re probably, because people believe what they hear, they’re probably going to end up hassling jews pretty hard. Well, we’ve been telling them that whites are bad, that whites are actually the problem in the world. We’ve been saying that. Not we, but the people who run the country, the truly evil people around the country have been saying that for decades.
And now we’ve invited all these people. We’re telling them that half the population of Haiti, they all think that. I mean, like, what? How does this end? Is anyone thinking about it? No. Or maybe they are thinking about it. Maybe that’s love to. You can’t have any rational conversation about race. I’m not bragging, but I think I’m actually pretty rational on the topic because I’m not that emotional about it at all.
I’m from southern California. I didn’t grow up in that world at all where people thought about ethnicity. At mean, I would love to have a rational conversation. You just took a bus. It’s almost sad. I was talking to Kira Davis. She guest hosts for me a lot on radio. She happens to be black, which, again, is entirely irrelevant to conservatives, but to liberals, it’s the whole thing. And she’s a good conservative.
And we were talking, and she brought up this point that she’s like, whenever I talk to you guys, you guys out there, she’s like, it’s funny how you’ve been trained to dance around the topic, because you’re right. It’s like when you say common sense things like, yeah, I don’t really judge people by the color of your skin. That’s because you’re a racist and a white supremacist, and you’ve grown up in a privileged environment, not skinny.
And you’re like, what the. I tell them what I said at all. I said how I felt like I really don’t give a shit about the melanin content that you’re thinking, am I weird now? It’s just so freaking strange. They’ve got us all conditioned. And I’ll tell you, I was watching one of your monologues one night, and you were digging into this demographic destiny thing, how the Democrats are obsessed with this, and then when we talk about it like we’re the crazy people.
And I went on my show the next day, and I did, like, a 20 minutes segment, and I played your whole thing, and I said, watch what’s going to happen? They’re going to go after this guy for simply citing the left. So I tell these media matters goons and everyone else, all I ask is that you transcribe the entire segment. This one me and Tucker are talking about, and put in the left wing super cut.
We put that in. And I’m absolutely fair with you taking a shot of me. Just transcribe everything. So, you know, we’re just covering your own words. But a couple other things I want to get to is tuckercarlson. com, by the way, is Tucker’s new network. Subscribe and be worth your time, folks. We’re building a whole new media ecosystem out there. For all of know, you and I were the subject of an NBC article not that long ago, I think because know departed Fox at the same time, like, we’re further married at the hip.
You got a far bigger media profile. But once in a while they throw me in there, and I used to do this whole protection thing with the Secret Service. So I don’t know, know, I don’t know a lot, but I know a little bit about that. And I’ve got some friends. Let’s just say I used to work with, and the threat against Donald Trump is real. It’s very real.
It’s absolutely real. And it’s a red line. There are people out there who are really afraid. There have been fights with secret service headquarters about specific security things. And you and I both brought this up, know, just like the race thing where you’re going to get people to hate each other. If you’re going to tell everyone this guy’s Hitler and a Nazi, someone’s going to try to exterminate him to prevent what the Nazis did.
So you and I, writing the same week and had this conversation with our audiences like, this sounds kind of dangerous. And this knucklehead dipshit at NBC wrote this article about Dan Arkin, who’s probably a moron. This guy I got to imagine as oatmeal for brains. Like Biden, he wrote, tucker Carlson Stokes conspiracies, claims us is speeding towards the assassination of Trump. And it was picked up by Alex Jones and Dan Bongino.
Those two crazy, Tucker, you know, I’m actually getting this from people who are kind of. And then, oh, look, he’s going even. It was Forbes picked it up, too. Antonio Picano Pecanio. I don’t know what they’re referring to. I hope it’s not his anatomy. And then Aliyah Shoab picked it up at insider, too. But this is real. This thread is real. I’ve gotten it from people. And it just shows, to show you how disgusting this media is, that you and I just highlight a real problem and all of a sudden you and I are the enemy here.
Stoking conspiracy theory. Well, it’s so dumb. I mean, one of my core beliefs about life is that nothing is static. Everything is dynamic. It’s moving in one direction or another. And it’s so hard to adjust to that as a human being because you want everything to stay the same, but nothing ever does. So if you want to know what things are going to look like in the future, just chart out what has been happening recently and ask yourself, are things accelerating or decelerating? Are they moving up, down, right, left? I mean, just chart it out.
And in the case of Trump, they started with protests. They moved to impeachment. Now they’re at indictment. None of it has worked. What’s next? What could possibly be next? If you felt, and you really believed in a lot of them, do that. The worst thing that could happen to the country, and more specifically to you in the professional class is to have Donald Trump as president. And everything you have tried has failed.
And they have been accelerating steps, protests, impeachment, indictment. How many more arrows do you have in your quiver now? What’s the next one? And of course, it’s assassination. And assassination happens around the world. I had dinner with former president of Haiti in my house last night. His successor was murdered in his bed in the presidential palace in Portu Prince. And he’s hardly alone. People get assassinated. I mean, they’ve been assassinated in this country.
Far more happened in Japan. Willing to admit Japan. That’s exactly right. So it’s, it’s not crazy. And of course, it’s the last thing I want. I said it directly to Trump, by the way, because it’s so obvious. How could you not say that? So I did. And he did not engage with me at all on that subject. And I don’t know what he actually thinks of it, but he’s smart and so he must know that.
That’s why. So again, it’s just another example of what you said a minute ago. Wisely, if you want to know what’s true, look at the things that you’re not allowed to say. You’re not allowed to say them not because they’re conspiracy theories or lies. You’re not allowed to say them precisely because they are not conspiracy theories or lies. They are true. And that is true, period. Yeah, I remember being around the Obama White House and you’d hear the staffers talking without speaking out of turn or anything.
There were things they really enjoyed conservatives talking about because they knew they weren’t true. And some of us during the Obama year or not us real bit other got spun up on things. And it’s just they loved it because they knew it was a waste of time. And if it ever push came to shove, they could easily debunk it. But they didn’t debunk it because they want. But you’re right, when they want to shut you down, whether it’s demographic destiny conversations or this Trump thing, it’s because they quietly know, like, yeah, they’re kind of right there.
Like, we’re going to call the guy Hitler a thousand times over. Someone’s going to do something. Let me ask you a question, because it wasn’t part of my rundown here, but you got me thinking about something. Trump’s up in a lot of these swing state polls. They’re polls. I get it. Acute moments in time, anything could change, but just take it for what it’s worth, he’s got a decent chance of winning.
If he were to win this thing. We have, obviously, this period between November and January and the swearing in, I’m not sure that’s going to go well. And I’m trying to be understated here. I don’t think that’s going to end well. I couldn’t agree with you more. I’m taking a deep breath because I have so many thoughts, most of which I’m not going to express because I have no evidence other than my own intuition and what seems obvious.
And I think we probably share exactly the same views on this. Look, they have set up Donald Trump as president as the one thing they can’t tolerate. Now, that’s anti democratic right there. Democracy demands that people who didn’t vote for a candidate submit to his rule if he wins democratically. That’s a baseline requirement for democracy. All of us have been through it. Some guy you hate gets elected and you have sit there and be like, okay, he’s the president.
He’s my president. It’s my country. And I’m going to sit there like a good little boy as he reigns. I disagree with him, but I’m not going to try and kill him because I believe in the system. That’s kind of the traditional western view of democracy. They don’t have a western view of anything. They don’t believe in democracy. So they’re not bound by the normal rules that the rest of us are and have been for 250 years.
So I just don’t think they’re going tolerate it. I don’t think they think like us. They’re like, will he won? I guess we should let him govern. They didn’t do that last time and they definitely won’t do it this time. And of course, the difference now is we know exactly who they are. We know exactly what they think, and we know to some extent the lengths they will go to get their will.
And they don’t have any bound at all. They use the US military against the american population. So who would do that? Well, people who don’t have limits would do that. So what are their boundaries? In this case? I literally don’t think they have boundaries. And I think that we should be prepared, at least internally, psychologically for them to do anything. Yeah. I mean, you would have seen it last time there was a document I covered extensively on my show still in our library, folks, if you want to check it out.
If they weren’t convinced they had won in 2020, I’m not sure we’d be having this conversation right now. And I’m only basing it on a document I had by the left. This was not, again, some conspiratorial, like left wing fringe group. It was mainstream figures. I think it were called the Democracy Integrity Project or something like that. And in the document, yeah, I know, which is always hilarious.
It’s kind of like my dipsy do flipperoo theory where they always cues you of what they’re doing. And in the document it says be prepared for a street fight, not a legal one. And they’re very clear in that statement that they mean an actual street fight. They put out all the disclaimers like, we’re not talking about a legal one. We’re talking about an actual street fight. Again, the documents out there, if we can find it, we’ll throw it in, in a post production here.
But, oh, yeah, look at, how did you get that so quick? I got the best producer transition integrity project. There it is right there. Hey, I’ll read it to you. It says it right there. The Biden campaign began the game encouraging three states with Democrat governors. They’re talking about how the game development and all this other stuff. And then like on page eleven of this stuff, they go right to it.
Like the street fighting. You could check it out yourself. And this is mainstream figures. So I’m kind of worried. I’m going to take a break here, folks. This is a wrap on part one. We’re going to go right into part two. Make sure you check it out. Part two with Tucker Carlson. Hope you enjoyed part one of my interview with Tucker Carlson. I told you I was going to set the Internet on fire.
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