➡ Dr. Andrew Kaufman hosts a discussion with Julian and Margaret Swan, his mentors in equity law. They discuss the power of equity law, which allows judges to exercise jurisdiction over individuals, not just places. The Swans, who were fired from their jobs for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine, turned to equity law as a means to uphold their rights. They explain that equity law, based on God’s word, allows for peaceful resolution of disputes without arguing or fighting, and they teach others how to navigate this system.
➡ During the Great Depression, Western countries, including the United States, moved away from using gold and silver as currency. Instead, they started using negotiable instruments, which are essentially promises to pay, backed by banks. This change was made possible by the Emergency Banking and Relief Act of 1933, which allowed these instruments to be used as a substitute for money. This shift in the monetary system has continued to this day, with every president renewing the emergency powers that allow it.
➡ The text discusses how legal documents like traffic citations are similar to financial instruments, as they order one party to pay another. It also explains how courts and banks work with central banks to function, often using securitization schemes. The text further delves into how court cases generate bonds that are traded on the open market, creating a financial interest for courts in every case they oversee. Lastly, it compares this system to mortgage-backed securities, where investors bet on whether debtors will fulfill their obligations.
➡ The text discusses a system where institutional investors, including pension funds, bet on outcomes of court cases, which are then pooled into a trust. This system, known as the court registry investment system, is used in the US, Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand. The text also explains how to use equity to avoid contracting with the courts, by asking specific questions and not creating controversy. This method allows for a financial and accounting matter to be settled, bypassing statutes, codes, and case law.
➡ The text discusses the power of equity and adhesion contracts in court cases. It suggests that by understanding and using these tools, one can navigate the legal system more effectively. The text also mentions the importance of giving notice to the court and how this can influence a case. Lastly, it critiques some common legal strategies, arguing that they often fail to provide real solutions, and instead suggests using commercial laws and equity jurisprudence to defend oneself.
➡ This text discusses the concept of debt as a form of sin and the importance of understanding our true identity to overcome it. It emphasizes the need for repentance and forgiveness, and the transformation that comes from realizing our true purpose. The text also highlights the power of equity in legal situations and the importance of understanding the system to navigate it effectively. Lastly, it suggests that spiritual aspects, like faith and truth, can provide support and strength in these situations.
➡ When you take a loan from a bank, they don’t actually give you their own money. Instead, they create new money based on your promise to pay back the loan. This process is legal and has been in place for about 100 years. By paying back the loan, you’re not cheating anyone, but actually reducing the national debt, as the bank has already profited multiple times from your loan.
➡ This text discusses the importance of understanding and managing your own finances and legal matters, similar to taking charge of your health. It emphasizes the power of knowledge and self-empowerment in navigating the financial and legal systems, particularly in the face of increasing surveillance and regulation. The text also highlights the benefits of equity and private trust systems, which can level the playing field for small businesses and entrepreneurs. Finally, it mentions courses available at standingontherock.com that teach these concepts, providing lifelong access to resources and a supportive community.
➡ This text talks about a unique class that helps students gain confidence and skills to speak effectively in court. The class uses role-play scenarios to mimic real court trials, helping students understand different judge personalities and how to respond appropriately. The class also offers private coaching for more complex cases and a platform for students to practice together. The goal is to empower students to handle any situation in court, even when it’s intimidating or challenging.

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And I suppose this episode should be called the True Law Report, but I’m your host nevertheless, Dr. Andrew Kaufman. Now today I’m continuing my series on equity law with a very special couple who are actually my mentors and teachers of equity at present. They’re not my first teacher, but it’s who I’ve been working with for about the last year. And they have excellent courses and a real in depth understanding. But most importantly of all, they pass one of my strongest criteria for any teacher of law, which is that they actually do what they say in their own lives.

So they’re not just putting, you know, their students at risk, they actually take any risk that’s involved themselves and they have convinced themselves and demonstrated how to be successful and are imparting that knowledge onto the students. And that is a real key attribute and something that I have the utmost respect for. And today we’re going to talk about some equity basics. So let me introduce Julian and Margaret Swan of Standingontherock.com to the stage. Hello guys. Hello. Hey Andy. Great to be here. Fantastic. So do you want to add anything about yourselves to what I said? I didn’t go into much detail, but you know, clearly you two have devoted all your professional effort into this pursuit and it definitely shows.

Thank you. Yeah, we’ve been teaching for about three years. I started out in the engineering field and during the whole, you know, fake virus thing, which is actually we found you, Andy. You brought us a lot of reassurance in those years, thank God. And I got fired from my job and a week before Christmas of 2021 for not taking the vaccine. We knew that we had to find a way to stand on our God given rights, not mass, not take the test, not take the vaccine. And we were looking for an area of law that was entirely based off of God’s word, that didn’t involve all this arguing and fighting that you see.

And that’s what led us to equity. And we spent a year bringing equity to our own Lives discharging some commercial messes that we had gotten themselves into. And then we began teaching, and it’s been just three years of a wild journey ever since. Well, that’s, you know, very interesting. And, you know, I suppose you have validated necessity as the mother of invention, right? And you figured out a way to be successful. And I think you, you made a key statement there that, you know, without arguing and fighting. Can you expand on that a little bit? Absolutely.

Equity is entirely based on God’s word. We take the example that was set for us in scripture. When we are accused, we don’t start contending and fighting with them. We simply ask the questions that prick the conscience, that drive right to the moral heart of the issue, and stand in that more powerful position of soft power that compels performance rather than the contention that causes people to resist us. You know, arguing and fighting tend to be based on a fear or a belief in scarcity of some kind that if I don’t get mine, there’s not going to be anything left for me.

You know, if somebody has wronged me, I have to wrong them. I have to, you know, yell and point out their, their flaws. Well, in actuality, you know, we, we see that we’re able to compel performance far easier when we simply come in and help the court settle things as an accounting matter, as opposed to arguing about the law. So there’s all sorts of remedies out there that dive deep into the constitution and law remedies from case precedents in the 1800s and such. These don’t take into account the contracts that we’ve gotten ourselves into in the modern day.

Ever since the 1930s, we have some quite onerous contracts that were all given at birth. And, you know, we need to find a way to honor those contracts and walk in them with the true power that comes with the modern financial system, as opposed to trying to argue our way out. So let me see if I understand this correctly. You’re saying instead of trying to argue that these contracts are unfair or point out something in the law that’s contradictory that should be in our favor, we simply accept whatever they have. If they have a document with our name on it, we simply satisfy the terms of that, or we have another way of essentially dealing with it in a fair way without kind of saying, oh, this is unfair or this is fraudulent, or we don’t really owe this debt, we bypass all those approaches of arguing and contesting and just say, okay, we have an obligation.

We’ll satisfy it right now. Yeah, we get ourselves into all sorts of contracts. In the modern day, of course, everybody knows about the Social Security number, the birth certificate, and this is true all over the Western world. We’re all given a birth certificate and a tax number at birth. These constitute some very all encompassing contracts. And this kind of gets into, you know, the spiritual aspect of things. I mean the Bible does say not to make yourself a voluntary surety for strangers, but that’s exactly the position that we’re, they’re all born into. Unless you’re Amish of course, which you got a little bit of a leg up there, but.

Well, Julian, before you go further, will you define the word surety for us so that we know that you’re talking about? And it’s interesting that that that word is in the Bible. Of course, surety means you’re the one liable to pay, you are ensuring the obligations of another party. So you know, two parties enter into a contract. The party that is receiving the benefit from the other side perhaps doesn’t have enough standing or enough reputation to be able to fully account for what he’s receiving. And so somebody comes in to kind of vouchsafe his, his role and things, make sure that he does what he’s supposed to do.

So this is kind of similar to being like a co signer on a loan or on a lease. Right. Where you’re not living in the apartment but you guarantee that you’ll make sure the lease is paid. Right. You’re the responsible party if the actual tenant doesn’t pay. Correct. The theory goes that it’s the all Caps name that’s the one that’s, you know, involved in the contract and then you as the actual living person or the surety for that name. So whenever he messes up, it’s you that’s got a bag. I see. And using that All Caps name for everything to you know, make it liable for everything.

So then, you know, through our contracts we become the surety for that All Caps name. And the Bible you’re saying warns against being assured, right? Yeah. It says he that hates surety, ship will be sure. So we, we certainly are roped into going against that basically from the moment of our births. Right now we didn’t volunteer to become a surety, did we? No, I’m using the term volunteer in the legal sense in which you’re, you’re somebody who is receiving a benefit without giving anything in return. And so we are, we are actually in this case receiving, they claim, you know, we’re receiving the benefit of not Having to settle any of our debts with actual real money.

We’re just using these things called Federal Reserve notes, which you look up. Note. It’s just evidence of a debt. You know, we’re receiving the benefit of kind of having them figure out our whole financial lives for us. And we just kind of report it to their tax agencies. At the end of the year, we can get their licenses and registrations and passports. Right. We’re actually. We’re seen as commercial enemies, you know, foreign enemies of the United States for commercial purposes ever since the amendments to the Trading with the Enemy act and the war powers, the emergency powers that have been stacked on top of each other throughout the years.

And so we’re actually being given a benefit of being able to operate in commerce through their licensing system. I can go more in depth on that if you like, but. Well, let me. Let me give a brief summary to. For those of. In the audience who may not have heard of this, but what you guys are referring to is that there was a major, you know, change to the financial system in 1933, and part of that was delineating, you know, US citizens as enemies of the state and applying the Trading with the Enemies act from World War I to American citizens.

And because they were considered as enemies of the state, they had to be regulated in commerce. So they had to require licenses, for example. And then at the same time, the money was taken out of the system. Right. The constitutional money, the gold and silver and all of the quote unquote currency now became essentially debt instruments or debt notes. Right. That are promised against our surety ship, essentially. Yeah. And I know you have a great video about this based on Eugene Schroeder’s War Powers Report. Just dives into all the primary source material about how and why this happened.

You know, basically in the height of the Great Depression, across the entire Western world, we saw every Western country abandoning the gold standard and the silver. Of course, in the Constitution, the Article 1, Section 10, Clause 1 set forth that only gold and silver could be used as tender for settlement of debts. Whereas the rest of the Western world had already kind of incorporated negotiable instruments in place of real money ever since the late 1800s with the bills of Exchange Acts. But the United States held out to the 1930s, specifically 1933. About five days into Roosevelt’s new presidency, they passed the Emergency Banking and Relief Act.

This exempted the gold clause of the Constitution and allowed them to bring in negotiable instruments to pass freely as a substitute for money. Basically, in Keeping with the entire transition that had been going on for a couple of decades already with the new central banking system, this war of governments versus central banks that have been fought for hundreds of years, that the banks finally won in the United States in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act. And so this process just brought us all under negotiable instruments, the modern monetary theory system. And in order to get around the Constitution, they had to use the very war powers that the Constitution provides an exemption for declaring all of us to be commercial enemies in order to get around the gold clause and to be able to license our day to day commercial activities.

And it’s interesting that every single president since then has since acquiesced or agreed to that same condition. Right? Yeah, every president has to sign the emergency powers back into effect every single year, and every single one of them has done so, no matter what side they’re on. That’s right. Because this is all. When you talked about the enemies of the state being the people, commercial enemies, well, that constitutes an emergency situation. Right. And when there’s a state of emergency, it suspends various aspects of constitutional protections of natural law. So as a result of that, the emergency can only exist for a limited period of time.

And that’s why it has to be renewed by each executive that comes into office. Right, but so those people, for example, who are big proponents of Trump, you could ask the question, why did he also renew this banking emergency and allow the system to continue? But essentially what this has resulted in and why it’s a victory for the banks, as you pointed out, is because instead of having to pay humans to mine gold and silver out of the earth or exchange it for their labor for pre existing silver, now they can, you know, with the stroke of a pen originally, now with a few keystrokes, they can just bring new currency into existence, almost as if it’s magic.

Right. But it doesn’t require any investment from them to reap the rewards of that. Correct? Yeah. I mean, you know, in the 1800s, you know, if there was some kind of right violated and we go and have a fight about it, you know. But now just with the stroke of a pen, we can create a negotiable instrument and use that to settle any kind of disputes or controversies. You know, the modern day money literally does grow on trees. I mean, it’s just paper with a signature on it or grows on digital trees. Well, it grows in, in coal mines to create the electricity for the bits of data to move around.

Right. So can you define like in simple terms what exactly a negotiable instrument is, because we’ve been using that term and it’s kind of scary for people. They don’t realize that every kind of money they’ve dealt with in their life are only negotiable instruments. Yeah, basically it’s an advanced financial concept from olden times that has been adapted in the modern day to constitute a far broader reach of our transactions. So to break it down, it comes from maritime law where goods would have to be shipped across seas and it would take several months to get there and the voyage would be dangerous.

Sometimes they’re having to ship gold and silver across robber infested lands and it got to be just too expensive and too risky to be doing that. So the banks came up with a system whereby they could negotiate paper. Just put a promise on a piece of paper and have it backed by the full faith and credit of that financial institution. Somebody would take it to a bank in Jerusalem or in India and would be able to get the equivalent amount of gold or silver reimbursed them or goods, you know, whatever the voyage required. So it was a, you know, an advanced financial instrument, but in the modern day, kind of a promissory.

Yeah, it’s kind of a promise to. It contains a promise to pay. It’s vouched for by somebody’s signature indicating their promised performance to pay it. And there’s a few other factors, like it has to be payable within a certain time and there’s a couple other factors about it. But in the modern day, it’s been adapted to a very broad range of just everyday activities. I mean, even now, just receiving a summons from a court or a complaint, something that generates a court case like a complaint or a grand jury indictment or something, all of these things actually meet all the fundamental legal qualities of a certain type of judicial instrument called a draft.

And this gives us a lot of power in commercial law, if we understand how to wield it. Now, just to not confuse everybody, a draft is the word that is used in the ucc, but in the countries like Canada and the UK they call it a bill of exchange, Correct? Correct. It’s. Yeah, it’s a particular type of bill of exchange, but they’ll be more familiar with that language. Yes. So we’ve traced this out all through the UCC and through all the bills of exchange acts as well, all across the Western world, which the UCC is based off of, specifically UCC articles 3 and 9 and their equivalents across the various bills of exchange acts.

It’s just that. Oh, sorry, sorry. It’s oftentimes it’s the signature that gives that draft or that bill of exchange that commercial energy. So that’s what’s the power. It’s the signature. Yeah, the modern day the signature really represents your performance. The signature on that draft instrument can be taken to the central bank and basically exchanged for credits or dollars in the account up front based on whoever signed its promised performance. Basically when you go to the bank, you sign the credit card agreement. The only thing transacted of any value between you and the bank is, is that signature which they convert to many times over what they’re loaning you pretty much immediately based upon, you know, you’re promising to pay off this debt for quite a long time.

Well, let me give an example to people of this that, that they’re very familiar with and that is writing a personal check because that, that is also a draft, right? Which is defined as an order to pay. And so when you write out a check, of course you know that the check you can’t do, nobody could do anything with it unless you sign, right? So the signature line has to be there, otherwise there’s no energy. You can put dollar amounts and you could put a payee in there, but it won’t matter without the signature. So that’s an example of the commercial energy.

And what the check is is that you’re ordering the bank which holds your account that’s named on the check to pay the payee, whoever you put pay to the order of. Right? So it could be your utility company, it could be, you know, your brother in law who paid for dinner and you’re paying your share, whatever it is. And so there are three parties, right? The person ordering to pay, the party that’s paying, which is usually the bank, and then the payee who’s receiving the payment. And there’s one other signature that has to be there in order to use that check and that’s the endorsement.

And that is really kind of the giveaway that it’s a negotiable instrument that it could be endorsed which is a way of transferring it right to another party. That party could be the payee or they could endorse it to yet another party and there could be a whole series of endorsements like hundreds of them just passing this check around, right? And no one ever cashes it. And that’s kind of what happens with the many of the notes that are our Federal Reserve notes. But the example that you talked about, let’s say you get a summons like from the motor vehicle department, like for a traffic citation, that that summons, right, is ordering you to pay.

And it often will have a dollar amount on it. And so that’s how you know it’s a negotiable instrument, because it’s one party telling another to pay an amount. Correct. And there’s. There’s other fundamental legal qualities, such as, you know, being payable within a certain time, it being a request from those who control the account. That’s very important as well because, you know, to make the parallel with the court, you know, you look up bank and black salt dictionary, it’ll just tell you right away it’s a court. They don’t even try to hide it. But to draw the parallel there, you know, the judge or the prosecutor are signing the instrument ordering you to pay within a certain amount of time, a certain amount of money, and satisfying all the fundamental legal qualities of a draft.

And so if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and treat it like a duck, you can accept the draft. And we are conferred just a ridiculous amount of power under UCC Articles 3 and 9, when we begin accepting these draft instruments and helping the courts to basically settle their books on the matter. And we’re able to go in and treat the case like an accounting matter. Because if you look up the definition of discharge in blacks under subheader equity practice, you’ll see that equity makes you the accounting defendant.

And in the modern day, that’s quite useful because under modern monetary theory, everything has become commercialized. I think one of the things that we do is take people to source material, you know, Black’s Law Dictionary and the thesaurus, the legal thesaurus and commercial manuals and so on. And you start to see a little bit different, you know, how these words, how they use these words and how we can also use them. Like, for instance, you spoke of a summons, and if there’s a warrant out for someone’s arrest, that again, is making them the surety. You know, they’ll come and ask for the body of that person to show.

To make sure that you show up in court and pay the debt. So that’s what that’s about. Also another thing about equity, equity jurisprudence as a section of law came about because the common law was all about n rem, which is about the property only. And that was how you settled debts, was either money or property. But equity came about to be about performance, so that you could perform in order to. And Julian could probably offer some examples in the way that in performance works. Well, sir, you know, equity came about because of the imperfections in the common law.

I mean, again, you can look this up in blacks as well, that equity came about as a more moral solution to the strict law that was available under common and commercial law. Oftentimes common law and commercial law did not capture the full remedy that somebody needed. It would just pay out damages. Perhaps if you had the correct cause of action. Maybe you need the person that wronged you to do some kind of performance to, you know, stop blasting their music all day long or, you know, whatever, whatever the case may be. So equity actually is able to exercise jurisdiction over the actual performance of individuals as opposed to just paying out damages.

We do talk a lot about Black’s Law Dictionary and Merton’s legal Thesaurus, and they’re quite useful resources, but ultimately these are just secondary sources. We actually, in our class, we take the students deep into primary source material, tracing these things through the Federal Reserve act, the, the banking acts, the Bills of Exchange Acts and other countries and all the various ways that we came off the gold standard and entered this modern monetary theory of securitization, hypothecation and, and negotiable instruments. So I think that. Go ahead. Oh, I think it’s really good to mention, like, the specific bodies of, of law where these principles that we’re discussing come from.

So I’m glad that you mentioned that. So you mentioned several things, right? The securities Exchange act, the Emergency Banking act, the Federal Reserve act, and there are other federal laws that are relevant as well. And you mentioned the Uniform Commercial Code, specifically Article three, which has to do with negotiable instruments, and Article nine, which has to do with securitization. And then going with that, if you’re in one of the, you know, British colonies, then you would look at the Bill of Exchange act, right? Because they haven’t adopted the UCC there, but the rest of the world pretty much has the ucc.

So now that we know you know, what the primary sources are, can you give like, a definition of exactly what equity is? So in the modern day, all government agencies, court systems, banks, et cetera, are all forced to cooperate with the central banks in order for the overall functioning of the economy. What this winds up looking like is that they, they all have to participate in securitization schemes in order to make the money that they need to operate day to day. So the banks, you know, I mentioned, when you go in, you sign a credit card agreement, whether they reject you or approve you for the Card, they’re still going to use your signature on that document, convert it into a performance contract based upon your promise to work very hard to pay off the debt.

And the central bank will actually give them money in their account for that promise. They extracted that promise from you, you know, the, the payer of the debt. You know, when it comes to a court system, again, it’s very similar. They’re extracting performance from you. They’re getting you to agree to certain behavior, which allows them to guarantee that behavior with certain bonds. You know, every court case, you know, we of course know about the appearance bond in a criminal case. That one they don’t try to hide. I mean, they, you know, you get to bail out of jail and you have to sign an appearance bond guaranteeing your promise to appear in court where you pay your debt to society.

Yeah, I mean, there’s penal bonds. I always thought it was real. You know, interesting that what a bonds, Right. Bonds is like something you think about Wall street, right. I mean, they even have Bond street in the financial district. So why is someone charged with a crime, right? Why, why are they going to a bail bondsman? Why are they bonding out? Right. It, you know, I mean, obviously you said already that according to Black’s law, right. A court is actually a bank. But this is so, you know, veiled and opaque to the average person. Yeah, I mean, that’s really the question that begins to unravel the whole thing, Andy.

I mean, it’s. They stick it right out there in your face. Most people don’t question it, but once you start to think about it, you know, why are bonds being generated on every single case? I mean, not just the appearance bond, but they have the bid performance, performance and settlement bonds on every single case. And then, you know, the court is requesting these bond companies to generate these bonds. The court takes possession of them, passes them off to an indentured trustee to be pulled inside of a securities fund, like a bond fund, packaged along with hundreds of other bonds to be traded on the open market.

And we have at least indirect proof of this. I mean, you know, if you have a relationship with any investment broker that is able to use a Bloomberg terminal, for example, any kind of user interface whereby they, they can access the back end of the securities and Exchange Commission computer system, they could type in somebody’s name, somebody’s Social Security number and somebody’s court case, and pull up all these bonds that are associated with these three factors. So it just proves that there are bonds generated on all of these cases and they’re being traded on the open market for a profit.

And so courts actually have a financial interest in every single case that they oversee. And even on something as serious as like a murder case, you know, they’re still making bets on it. I mean it’s, it’s crazy the way the world runs in the modern day. Yeah, they’re just, they’re having lots based on, you know, what happens in that court case, what happens to that person who’s in the court case. And you know, they’re just like the, the people back there on the street, you know, throwing dice on the corner. Yeah. Well, you know, this sounds exactly like mortgage backed securities, for example, or other securitized derivatives.

Right. Where they take all of the, the notes from various mortgage loans and pool them in a trust and have investors buy shares of that pool and essentially bet. Are the people with the notes the, you know, the, the, the promisers in that pool of notes, are they going to pay their monthly payment or are they going to default? Right. And they’re betting probably both ways. You know, there are way. Right. You can have a short or a long position, so you could bet that they’re going to default or you could bet that they’re going to pay.

And so they’re doing the same thing with criminal court cases, civil court cases. Right. All court cases on the back end that they’re generating negotiable instruments and then putting them into, pooling them into a trust. And the, the holders of these shares are institutional investors. Right. They’re not regular people who might buy a few shares of Microsoft or Apple. Right. They’re, we’re talking about pension funds and other types of major institutional investors. And I understand even the judges and other members of the court may be shareholders in some of these schemes, correct? Yeah, It’s a very cynical system.

I mean basically all human behavior and human accomplishment is, you know, we just got all these, you know, banks and financiers making bets on it. Yeah. You can trace the United States code has specific codes about what’s called the court registry investment system. That’s what the financial kind of pipelines look like at the federal level, whereby, you know, these bond bonds are passed into these funds traded on the open market and the profits actually feed back through the court registry investment system into the federal courts. And of course, every state level court also has its own equivalent of this.

And Canada is on the same system as the United States. You know, under the same securitization system. There’s a separate system for the UK And Ireland, there’s a separate system for Australia and New Zealand, but it’s all a reflection of the same thing. Now, everything you’re talking about with this system, though, this. This is commerce, not equity, correct? Yeah, thank you for pointing that out. Yes, we exploit a lot of very useful commercial loopholes, for lack of a better word, just basically exploiting the way that the modern system works. And we dive deep into finance for that.

But we must wrap these things in a veil of equity in order to avoid contracting with the courts. So really, it goes, you know, I can go back to the issue of the negotiable instrument. There’s a million processes out there that use negotiable instruments, you know, that teach you how to write a promissory note or a bill of exchange or whatever, until you can pay your bills with it or you can settle the court case with it. What really sets us apart, you know, because we’re using a similar instrument, but we teach the students how to not contract with the courts.

So usually when somebody goes into court, even if they give them a negotiable instrument, even if it’s properly tendered, they still open themselves up to a number of other contracts with the court and left all these avenues, including the negotiable instrument available to the court, to use to settle the matter. And most of those just involve the person going to jail or whatever. And so, of course, the court is going to use the contractual avenue that’s been opened up that benefits them the most. So when we use equity, we’re able to employ these commercial techniques, but in a way that we don’t trip over, these adhesion contracts that courts use to ensnare people and get them to volunteer for a prison sentence or a fine or whatever the case may be.

So that’s really the most important part of our process, is that there are just a million different adhesion contracts out there, and equity is what helps you avoid those, and only leave that one avenue available to them, which is the negotiable instrument that you tendered in order to fully settle and close the matter. And so as long as that’s the only thing available to them to settle everything, eventually with all these cases, the train must come into the station, and when things come to an end, they’ll have to use that one avenue that we’ve left available to them to settle the matter.

Do you have something to say about that? Oh, I was just going to say we sometimes call it the art of inquiry, where we use very, very specific, particular questions in order to bring out the truth. The points that we’re trying to make that do prick the conscience, that do maybe imply some liability on their part. And that can be in a courtroom or any authority figure, somebody trying to tell you to wear a mask, somebody trying to tell you take a vaccine, whatever. So it is that art of inquiry, which also there’s that saying the person who’s asking is as king.

You know, it’s the king that’s asking the question. You’re directing the conversation when you’re asking the questions. And also it’s, it’s more, it’s non combative. So we’re not accusing people of things. We’re not telling them this or not fighting. We’re just, just asking questions. And you know, you can always say, don’t I have a due process right to ask questions on my very life. My freedom is on the line. Yeah, we, we have to do that because the court is the one venue in all the world that was created to eliminate controversy. So when you go into the court, you know, and you have a dispute with somebody, you say the law should apply one way, they say the law should apply another way.

You’re basically, you’re both giving the authority to the judge to settle the whole thing according to however he wants to do so. And equity gives them a very broad discretion. I mean, usually it’s used against us for that reason. But when you come in and just ask questions and don’t create controversy, don’t cite laws, don’t make statements, then you have shut down that entire avenue of, you know, the way that most people come in contract with the court by creating controversy. And so the questions just help us to remain in a position of commercial honor, accepting their instruments to help them settle and close the matter, as I discussed, and not opening up those other avenues of adhesion, contract drugs.

So I think one point that you’re really making here is that you are bypassing or sidestepping all of the, you know, statutes, codes and case law to just really make it a financial and accounting matter. And you’re also using kind of like the Socratic method, right of inquiry, not making, not testifying, right, not making claims, but asking questions to sort of probe at some of the unethical and perhaps even illegal at some level activity that they’re doing, trying to make as much money from your controversy as possible. But let me ask this, you know, does this only take place in a special court? Because, you know, courts are in maritime or commercial jurisdiction, as far as I understand, and they have, you Know, civil procedure, right.

That is mapped out, that you have to do things a certain way, speak in a certain way, move the court in a certain way. But it sounds like you’re not doing this in equity. So equity has been combined under the overall commercial court system. And this, this goes back to the Judicature Acts of the late 1800s for most Western countries. The United States, that happened with the rules of federal criminal or civil procedure in the 1930s. But whatever the case may be in the modern day, equity is combined under the overall commercial court system. And so you can bring equity in any court in the land.

You don’t have to be in a special chancery court. You know, there’s maxims such as equity follows the law, or in a fiction of law, equity is always present, or where the law feigns, equity subsists. So these, these are describing situations where the law is inadequate to provide the most moral remedy. When the law messes up, equity follows in to clean up the mess. And even the Judicature act stated that where the laws of, you know, commercial or common law conflict with equity, equity will always prevail. So in the modern day, when they’re making bets on every case and every court has a financial interest in every matter, clearly the law has feigned and equity needs to come in and clean up the mess.

I would say, too, as far as equity goes, we know that the judges and the courts, they love equity because it gives them great power. They don’t just have jurisdiction over a place. All they need is jurisdiction over a person. So. And they can make that person perform what they want them to perform without having to have jurisdiction. So it gives them great power for what they can do, what they can accomplish, how they can help their cronies. But they’re not quite used to us bringing it. So that’s where we come in to really help people understand the standing that they have in equity.

And to be able to stand in front of a judge confidently and as an equal, really, and speak to the judge about these issues in the form of a question. Yeah, the judge has given a very broad discretion and equity. He’s actually able to go outside of the confines of the law and just come up with whatever solution he feels is most moral. Eustace Mullins actually famously, bitterly complained about equity because of this reason. He claimed they were just using it against us. They don’t even have to follow the law. What he didn’t understand was the adhesion contracts.

I mean, he was writing this in the 1930s. When this system really just began to take form, it took about 80, 90 years for people to figure out that if you stop getting yourself into these contracts or you use the incredibly powerful remedy of equitable rescission to unmake the contracts, then you can put yourself back into that original position of being the source of issue for all credit in this country. You know, just able to take your signature on that piece of paper, as we discussed, and tender an instrument which the court is able to use to get paid to settle the matter and leave you the heck alone.

So are you saying essentially that if you just bring equity to the court through your documents and the way that you use inquiry, that the judge now has a different set of rules? It’s a set of rules that runs concurrently to the law and takes over where the law falls short. So it is a closely guarded secret, but we’re still subject to the same rules that everybody else is. It’s just that everybody else tends to trip over these adhesion contracts, contract with the court six ways a Sunday, and then they come out saying, oh, they railroaded me.

You know, they didn’t accept my, my documents. They, they wouldn’t talk about anything I wanted to talk about. Well, the reason was because that person created controversy. You know, they, they stumbled over a number of adhesion contracts that allow the judge to just basically run, run rough shot over the whole case. You know, when you don’t do that, then you open up the door to just settling things like an accounting matter. You’re able to use, you know, equitable means of getting these commercial remedies out there and just helping the court settle its books as an accounting matter.

Since the court has already commercialized the matter by generating bonds on it that are being traded on the open market, feeding back into the court system, you know, into the judge’s retirement fund and, you know, operating costs for the court. So we’re really just using the concurrent systems of law that they’ve already set up in a, in a way that kind of flummoxes the attacks that they bring against us. Well, let me give you an example from my case because we’ve been working together, right, on a court case involving debt for, for a while now. And one of the things that we observed and we, we have had a little pushback on here, right, and which is kind of speaks to the adhesion contracts that you’re referring to.

But in the New York Rules of Civil Procedure, as in really every other state, to submit a document into a court case, you have to either have an affidavit of service which proves that the document was delivered to the recipient with a third party, or they allow you to use a special electronic filing system that affects. Course you have to contract into. Now, when, when we submitted documents into my case, we didn’t use either of those methods. Right. We just used essentially the regular mail and, you know, sent them to their address, not to the court in general, but to directly to the parties like to the judge, the court clerk, etc, and then during the hearing, the attorney on the other side tried to challenge those documents.

Right. Saying that they weren’t entered into the record. But the judge said, no, they’re in the record essentially. Right, but that’s totally against the rules. Right. Of civil procedure. So is that, you know, how did that come about? Is that related to the adhesion contracts you were talking about? So that is the judge basically acknowledging the power of what it is that you’re doing. You know, the equity reaches a lot deeper than just mere statutes. So the statutes say, oh, well, you gotta use a filing system, you gotta pay a filing fee. It has. You have to have the style of the court on there in a certain way.

We like. But the judge was just acknowledging the concurrent system of law that runs right alongside that which states that the law of notice is sufficient for, you know, getting things onto the record. You know, the record is not some document on a computer. The record exists in the heart of the judge and is actually a higher concept than any kind of recording or transcripts or dockets or case files. It exists in the hearts and minds of all the people that are present in that case, especially the heart and mind of the judge. And so the judge there was just acknowledging that he already has constructive notice of all of your filings just because the court received them.

Notice, if you look up the definition, it’s just intelligence by any means communicated. Well, as soon as they receive the notices, you’ve communicated the intelligence. And constructive notice works by, you know, anybody who should be able to have knowledge of a thing, if it’s posted in a public place or if it’s delivered to one of their agents, they’re supposed to have knowledge of it. And so the law of constructive notice says that when the clerk receives your mailings, the knowledge of those documents is automatically imputed to the judge by law. And the word imputed means he’s charged with it.

It just automatically falls upon him to have knowledge of those documents, even if he doesn’t even read them. So the judge was just acknowledging basically a deeper law A concurrent system of law, which is a lot more fair and moral. Of course, that’s equity for you than the statutes that they were originally telling you about. Now I want to shift a little bit and talk about this sort of, you know, some people might refer to as a patriot law movement, a sovereign citizen movement, but even beyond that. Right. Just like kind of a freedom law movement.

Because there are many, you know, people out there who put out teachings or even who have courses. Right. That realize that some of those terms are self contradictory. And many of these teachers and, you know, I know you’ve learned material from them. I’ve learned a lot of material from them. Find a lot of truth in actual law. Right. That’s. That is on our side. And they’ve come up with a lot of different, you know, procedures that seem to be very consistent with the law and maybe they’ve occasionally been successful, but generally speaking, they, they are unsuccessful.

Right. And that would be, you know, things like handing your birth certificate over to the judge in a courtroom. Right. Or doing a status correction or getting some, you know, special kind of passport or sending notices to the Secretary of State or all these kinds of things. But they don’t. Right. They don’t get actual remedy for the person in the end. Whereas in equity, you don’t try to correct any of these things. You keep your status as a surety. You can still continue to do regular business in the real world, but you have this remedy where you can kind of bypass the commercial laws and settle it really, the way it started with the signature.

Yeah. You know, there’s a lot of people out there fighting and struggling to get back to a status that they are nostalgic for, longing for that they really never got to experience, you know, that our great grandparents maybe had, but that was given up by us through Congress in the 1930s and that most of most Western countries really never got to experience in the first place. I mean, all that stuff in the 1930s only happened because they had to get around the Constitution. But all of these, these argumentative processes whereby we, you know, we search deeply into the Constitution or people’s charter rights or, you know, these case precedents which usually went in our favor in the, you know, the 1800s and in the modern day don’t.

It’s all based around this attempt to get back to a place that we really don’t need to get back to in order to see remedy. You know, like you said, in that role of surety, we already have an incredible amount of power just using the commercial Laws that have been wielded against us for so long. Using the equity jurisprudence that gave the judges power over us for so long in the modern day, we have figured out how to use these things to discharge any attacks that are brought against us. So other processes tend to be based on, you know, arguing and fighting about these things.

And there are a number of people that came before us which pulled out some very important aspects in that arguing and fighting. And they’ve discovered the bonds. They talked about various commercial remedies that we’ve been able to adapt and run with. We stand on the shoulders of giants. You like to say we all stand on the shoulders of giants. You have people like Roger Elvick, Victoria Joy. I mean, they really brought a firm foundation in commercial remedy, and we’ve taken the ball further down the field, and we expect our students to do the same. I want my ceiling to be the floor for my students.

So our process takes a much different approach. And we’ve been getting ourselves into contracts for so long in the modern day. I mean, we’re all born into them, but then we continue to use them. We use that tax number to open a bank account. We use it again, get a driver’s license to fly a plane or rent a car. You know, we’re just contracting with Babylon all over the place. And then we. We feel like, you know, the walls are closing in, like the economy is getting rougher. You have this fear and the scarcity mentality, and it’s causing us to just fall deeper into debt, which is in.

In our process, we call debt sins because, you know, it’s. The courts see them as the same thing. I mean, the courts are really running off of Roman ecclesiastical law. I mean, that’s why the judge wears a black robe. That’s why, you know, every court has a picture of lady justice, which is, you know, an allusion to a Roman deity. So we are sinning or, you know, falling into debt all over the place. And so a big part of equity is repentance and forgiveness. You know, we. We have to forgive the people that we feel like have victimized, victimized us and put us in this role of surety.

We need to repent for the mistakes that we’ve made, the contracts that we’ve gotten ourselves into. And, you know, repentance comes from the Greek word metanoia. I mean, it’s where we get the word metamorphosis from. It doesn’t mean saying, oh, I’m sorry. You know, remorse is not repentance. It doesn’t Say that anywhere in scripture, it’s a transformation. You know, you’re in this. This fallen state of, you know, being raised in this culture of suretyship, where you’re. You have all these false ideas put upon you from the time you’re a child about health, about your place in the world, about who God is.

And you’re in this fallen state of. Separated from your true identity, separated from God. And repentance is just this divine moment that comes where you experience the truth and you turn yourself around and you begin to walk in who you really were made to be and who God really is and your relationship to him. You know, the. The word sin comes from the Greek word hamartia, which a lot of people translate as missing the mark, like an archery term, but it also be translated as formlessness. You know, ha is a negation, and martia means form. So sin comes from a state of not knowing who we are, of having no form, of being separated from our true identity.

So a lot of what we do with the students is to work with them to be able to understand who God really created them to be so that they can make a transformation, turn around and begin to walk the path of that true purpose, their true calling in life that helps them to walk out of this indebtedness and this sin and all these attacks that are brought against them into a position of true honor and power where they can destroy all of these things and walk out their best life. I think, too, it’s. It’s important to understand, you know.

You know, a lot of people talk about a spiritual aspect, but, you know, there really is an equity, speaks to the conscience. So we know it’s spiritual. Anybody that’s been in a courtroom has felt the. The overwhelming power of seeing the judge way up there with a gavel and a black robe and the. You know, it’s pretty. Pretty scary, pretty intimidating. And they. You. It’s on purpose. So, you know, and a lot of the students that come to us, we call it the domino effect. Like, one thing’s happened in their life, and then. And then that leads to another thing, and then that leads to another thing and another thing, and then it’s just the dominoes falling.

And they’re suddenly in this. In this crisis place. And sometimes it’s. It’s just one consultation with us to help them to understand. Wait a minute. I’ve been looking at this all wrong. I’ve been looking at it through this false identity. I’m not who I really am and not what’s really going on. And once that repentance, that turn, that shift happens, they can see hope, they can see the light, and then things start to change for them just based on that. Not even taking the class yet. And we’ve actually seen that happen. So it’s. It’s really amazing to.

To understand that and just tell, you know, a lot of people think, you know, other corruption, they’re out to get me or whatever. It’s just the way the system set up. It’s. It’s definitely stacked against us, but if we know how to navigate it, we’re not trying to bring down the system. We’re trying to make sure that we’re left alone, that we’re treated fairly. And in a. In a bigger sense, we would like to shift things, but that’s done by everybody understanding who they are, who they really are, what their identity is, and how to ask the questions that compel the performance that they want to happen.

Well, you know, I’ve really experienced that personally because I’ve been in two court cases, you know, where I litigated. Actually, there more than two, but only two that I made appearances at hearings. And I was essentially looked at as, you know, I felt like they were looking at me as a deadbeat. It’s like, if it was like the schoolyard, I would be the young, wimpy kid that they could just put you around and use as a gopher. You know, they didn’t. They didn’t take me seriously. They just walked right over me, like, as if I wasn’t there.

When I went, you know, to the same courtroom in one of those cases bringing equity, it was totally different. Like, you could tell they were intimidated. They. You know, they took me very seriously in a distinct way from the prior times. And I remember walking out of a hearing, you know, when I was litigating, and I just felt like tiny, right? And defeated. Like, the wind was. Was taken out of me. But when I walked out of here, I’m like, damn. They’re like, you know, they’re thinking that I’m a real threat now. You know, they’re, like, worried that they’re gonna get in trouble.

Yeah, it was very, very different. Yeah, that’s the power of equity. You know, when you’re in that commercial, admiralty, maritime, or even common law place, I mean, it is brutal. And they always have another trick up their sleeve. I mean, that’s why we don’t try to beat them at their own game. You know, we just kind of unravel the commercial maze and give them something that they can use to get themselves paid and they, they depreciate it. I mean, our students receive much better treatment in court bringing this process than, than anything they’ve been used to.

And it was so wonderful to see that in your case too. I think too, that, you know, we’re used to thinking of the Bible and the, you know, that is like some kind of, you know, right wing something or other that, some political thing. But really when you think about it, God is truth and fairness and, you know, what is right. And when you realize that that’s what you’re standing for, you know, whether it’s in, in health and, you know, about the viruses and that sort of thing, or whether it’s in these financial matters. And so God really is on your side when you’re speaking truth and being righteous and caring about, you know, autonomy and independence and who we really are.

So. And you know, so that’s another power. And so when it says things in the Bible like, you know, don’t worry about what to say because, you know, the Holy Spirit will give you the words in that moment, you know, because God is on your side. There is a spiritual aspect, and when you tap into that, it’s a technology. You know, forgiveness is a technology, repentance is a technology. A technology being something that makes your life better and that everybody can use and that changes the environment. And so when you start to look at these concepts, as, you know, Jesus was teaching us a technology that works here, it’s like, oh, wait, this, this opens up a whole new avenue.

Yeah, the world may hate it, but heaven, all of heaven backs you. It’s the same thing when you talk about all the absurdities of virology. And I mean, the Holy Spirit comes in and just backs you up and people can hear the truth ringing in your voice. It’s the same thing when we walk into court and expose what they’re doing, just using questions and get the case settled and discharged. Truth has a ring to it. Now, I want to just play devil’s advocate for a minute because I’ve even heard some people in the law of freedom space talk about this.

But you know, when you bring equity and get remedy, right, Some might say that you’re loafing on your debt, right? That you went in there, you promised to pay, you took out a loan, you know, they gave you their assets, and now you’re basically leaving them high and dry. And of course that would be immoral. And I want to just distinguish this from, we’re not talking about like, you Borrow, you know, your neighbor’s power tools and then you sell them on ebay. Keep the profit. We’re not talking about that situation. So can you, can you speak to this like, you know, are you cheating when you bring equity? Yeah, the world hasn’t worked like that in nearly 100 years, at least.

When you’re dealing with banks and institutional players, you know, under modern monetary theory, negotiable instruments pass freely as a substitute for debt and discharge every debt dollar for dollar, just on their face. So when you, for example, you know, I talked about signing the credit card agreement with the bank. Well, whether or not the bank approves you or rejects you for that credit card, they have already taken your performance contract to the central bank window, to the discount window at the Fed and gotten some digital dollars in their account. They, if they approve you for the card, then your monthly minimums also include insurance premium that they can cash in on if you ever stop paying.

Additionally, they securitize the account in order to trade it on the open market, make even more of a profit. On top of that, they derivatize the account and trade it on the derivatives market. And additionally, once you, if you ever stop paying or you, or you begin to pay in equity as opposed to FRNs, then they’ll take it as a tax write off. And so they have been paid so many times over, I mean, thousands of times over. What they actually lynch you? It’s not like they went into their vault and, you know, took a stack of cash and put it in your box or move some gold over.

No, they just, in conjunction with the local Federal Reserve branch of that area, they create the asset and the liability on their books at the very same time, just by bookkeeping entry under the, under this Fed system. And so they actually create the money out of thin air. And this is discussed in the infamous 1969 Credit river decision out of Minnesota. It was a justice of the peace overseeing a case where a man came in and he had defaulted on his mortgage. He was trying to argue that the bank never lent him any money in the first place.

They just created the asset and the liability on their books at the same time by bookkeeping entry. And the justice of the peace actually sided with him, wrote a whole opinion about how it was true, and then wound up dead six months later. So. Right, and also that was overturned in a higher court, but, but not based on the merits of the judge’s opinion. It was overturned for a procedural reason. Yes, of course, because you know, they can’t let that Stay on the books. But it’s, you know, you, you can see how this works by simply looking at the Federal Reserve act, where it explains how this is.

And I, in one of my court cases, actually, even before there was a court case, I requested from the bank the accounting entry for the loan, and they actually showed the liability and the credit appearing simultaneously in just their general account for that. So like nothing was moved. Right. From their, their assets into my account. It was just, it was created as a double entry, you know, either when it was securitized or when it was traded at the Federal Reserve window, as you, as you pointed out. So in other words, when you get a loan from a bank, they’re not actually lending you anything.

What they’re doing is they are kind of like the transfer agent. They take your signature, which provides the commercial energy to create the money. Right. And this is how actually Federal Reserve notes come into existence. And they give that document to the Federal Reserve, which they’re a member bank, and then the credits in the amount of that document are then put in the bank’s account. It actually works to discharge the national debt in a way too. Right. Like because it’s more balancing than even paying an frns, which just creates more debt. True. So when you, you’re saying when you use the equity commercial process of the acceptance, you’re actually settling debt, correct? Yes.

When you pay in banknotes. Well, a note is just evidence of a debt. I mean, you can look that up in blacks. Paying a debt with the debt is obviously not discharging the debt. This is why the national debt keeps increasing every minute of every day. Equity will actually reach into both sides of the ledger, the private and the public side of the ledger, and zero out the entire thing. Just adjust and set off both sides of the ledger so that it’s the only process whereby you actually decrease the national debt debt when you pay this way.

So even though it may seem on the surface that you’re cheating someone, they actually, you’re not, because they didn’t actually provide anything but, but a service. And by using the equity process, you’re actually zeroing out that debt. So our national deficit is being reduced rather than added to. Whereas if you pay with Federal Reserve notes, that’s just another debt instrument. So you’re adding debt upon debt. Correct. The whole idea of having to pay them back with notes is a fiction of law created to obfuscate the performance side of things, where it’s your performance that actually generates the claim that they have on any funds that they receive from the central bank that gives them the ability to create the credit and the liability on their books in the first place.

So it is really the only real way that there is to pay anymore. Absolutely. The only real way to pay. That’s catchy. I think that overall what you’re saying is kind of like that. If you employ equity in commercial matters, you’re actually removing yourself from being a slave, a wage slave, a debt slave, and now you’re becoming a man or a woman with the full autonomy, sovereignty and power that God provided for you. Correct. I mean, it’s very true because, you know, in that role of voluntary surety, many people feel victimized by it, many people feel hemmed in by it, but you actually have an immense amount of power.

You know, even though we have ceded the ability to create money to the banks, our signatures are still the source of original issue for all commerce. You know, they, they can only do what they do because we keep giving them our signatures on all of these promises, these, these birth certificates, these promissory notes, these credit card agreements. They’re only able to do what they do because of our promise performance as represented by our signature. And so when you become to come to fully understand your. Your power and your authority in that role, you are able to kind of pull that thread that unravels the whole sweater and discharge any claim against you, any charge, charge against you, and just be left alone to enjoy your life and enjoy your family and your land.

We kind of become the CEO of our lives, you know, which is like we’re making decisions with our signature and, you know, not seeing it as like all a personal attack that we have to fight and feel victimized. You know, we’re just the CEO. We’re going to sign off on that. Correct. Okay, now it’s done. It’s faith. And the beauty of it is that, you know, there are many, many people that have already gone before for you. I mean, there are incredibly severe criminal cases that have been discharged with these methods. It’s the only process where somebody in, you know, New York City can do the same process as a guy in the outback of Australia and get the same results.

You know, from everything from traffic matters all the way up to Federal Criminal Court. We have seen incredible miracles in equity and repeatable, replicable miracles that anybody can experience in their lives if they just learn the material and apply it. And we have so many students, we’ve got a forum, a telegram group, and the students are sharing questions about things that come up because it’s Very case specific people are applying in all kinds of different ways and so they can help each other, but they’re also sharing their successes. And the, the successes are amazing. They’re just, and they keep coming and they keep coming.

And so that we, we truly believe that this is going to be a shift in thinking. You know, just like with what you’re doing, Andy, with you know, the information that you’re putting out there on social medias and different platforms and everything about what the real truth is about our, our health and our human bodies, you know, and taking charge of our own health. Well, this is taking charge of your own finances and law in, in the same way, you know, we, it’s not, we don’t want to go hire a doctor or hire a lawyer or hire a guru.

You know, you want to be able to do it yourself and that’s what we’re empowering people to do. Well, that’s awesome. And of course I always say be your own health authority and we could say be your own law authority as well. And you know, I keep thinking that in the coming surveillance state that if we want to play in that system and be subject to the penalties, that this will be the remedy that we’ll have to, you know, maintain our ability to be somewhat free in that system. And I feel that it’s one of the most important bodies of knowledge for people to acquire to be prepared for the, the future.

And in fact, collectively I think that we can have quite a lot of influence. Like for example, let’s say that, you know, banks just start realizing this because every one of their borrowers uses equity to settle their loan. They would want to attract as many borrowers as possible because they’re becoming enriched buy it, but they’re not able to now make, you know, five times the value of, of the note. They can only make the value of the note. So they’ll need to have more notes and that’ll open up more opportunities for abundance to people and instead of, and it will help distribute the wealth more evenly over time, I think.

Yeah, yeah, that’s an excellent way of putting it for sure. I mean, you know, right now those that run the banks are more interested in control than, you know, our ability to generate revenue for them. But the more people that understand this, they’re not going to have a choice. You know, once we begin to understand their laws and operate in them, there’s going to be a sea change and they’re going to be forced to work with us instead of trying to lord it over us. It’s, you know, just as equity created an incredible shift in consciousness 700 years ago when it first came about, it has the real ability to overturn the modern financial system into something that actually works for the people instead of against them.

And, you know, speaking of the. The coming changes to, you know, central bank currencies and increased surveillance and all this, I mean, we all have a lot of commercial and public exposure out there, so we can all stand to benefit from learning how to move privately, how to discharge any tax claims and court claims that are brought against us, get our name off of things, operate through trust systems. We have a whole other class separate from the equity class about how to operate in private Trust Systems and PMAs and private ministries, and even incorporating corporations into that system if need be.

If you’re in a heavily regulated industry, but teaching people how to be able to operate in commerce but still be able to live separately in the private, you know, extract the profits down into the private where they can be protected without it ever having to touch your name. And, you know, we have adapted that to all Western countries. So combined, it just makes an incredible platform, a foundation whereby you can be completely untouchable, settle all of your claims and charges against you, you know, operate in commerce, provide for your family, and be completely protected. Right. And, you know, it.

I have some experience operating a business that way. And, you know, one of the things is, because I operated a business, you know, in the full system, you know, paying all the taxes, following all the regulatory contracts, et cetera, and everything is so stacked against you as a small business owner, as an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur. Because the monopolistic large multinational corporations have essentially, in conjunction with the government, created regulatory environments that essentially are monopolistic practices. It makes the barrier of entry for competition too high. But when you employ equity and these private trust and other structures now, it levels the playing field you can actually compete.

You’re not, you know, paying half of your profit in taxes. You’re not dealing with sales tax. You’re not paying regulatory fees and being subject to inspections and fines. Now, it doesn’t absolve you from being responsible and doing the right thing. Right. I ensure the quality of my products and services independently, you know, probably to higher standards and for the purpose of, you know, safety and value, not for the purpose of driving out competition and protecting people’s business interests. Right. So this is the application of this knowledge. And I want to give you a chance to, you know, give a little description because you have these two courses available@standingontherock.com.

and we’ll put the link below in the show notes. But can you give us a little bit of description of how the course is run and what benefits people receive? Sure. So the equity course runs for 13 weeks. We meet on Wednesdays at 6pm Eastern. All the training is recorded, so all the students have ongoing access to the recordings, the classes, and all students have the ability to attend all future classes. So once you’re in, you’re in for life. You can join all the live classes. You become a part of a thriving community with hundreds of people in it that are all in various stages of bringing equity to their lives and sharing wins and helping each other with strategy.

And the course for the trust system class runs for 12 weeks. It’s a trust system that’s entirely built upon equity jurisprudence. It’s a private trust system. We have basically dived into 700 years worth of case precedents and extracted every last power that we can use to help you run a trust system according to the very best practices. Even in the worst case scenarios, even if the tax agency is breathing down your neck and you only got a week to act, we can even help somebody in that situation. It doesn’t absolve you of the duty to pay tax, but we teach you a better way to pay.

You know, we don’t pay with the banknotes. We pay with, you know, another way that they honor our signatures on a very particular type of negotiable instrument. And we take you through the primary source material, you know, not just secondary sources like Blacks and Burtons and Levine’s and, and Blum’s contracts and all these things, but actually diving into the primary source material, no matter what country you come from, in order to prove out how and why this process works down to a fundamental level and how even tax agencies can take these negotiable instruments and actually have a financial pipeline for processing them.

You know, we’ve proven all of this out in the primary source material. And so when you combine these two classes, it is absolutely your, the, the best remedy out there for remaining private and protected. You know, the equity class gives you everything you need to discharge any debt or any claim brought against you. And the trust system class will help you. If you have a little bit more commercial exposure, you’re going to need some extra asset protection while you’re going about bringing that discharge process and equity. If you have a small business or you, you own lots of properties, or if you even just want to be as protected as you possibly can be, then you know, you’re going to want the trust system class as well.

But there are plenty of students that just use the equity class to discharge things. And, you know, there’s a whole range of use cases for both, I think, too. Also, the classes offer. In the equity class, there’s actually both classes, we offer ample time for Q and A people to bring their specific situations and ask questions. In the trust class, we actually take volunteers and their situation, whatever business or small business, and their family situation, and we just diagram the whole trust for them. That’s very, very valuable because we use a layered system of trust that we feel it.

That’s the best thing. And, you know, it’s a very creative use of trust. So all that is of great value. And then the telegram groups, there’s new groups, and then the alumni groups where questions are answered. And we have a team also helping us with answering those questions. So, yeah, it’s very active. And we don’t just turn over some trust documents to people, actually teach you how to write your own trust documents and how to operate in them day to day. So it makes a huge difference in people’s lives. It’s something they can really take forward and pass down to the next generation.

And you can find all of this@standingontherock.com well, I have to vouch that you guys really do stay around for hours to answer questions, and people will keep asking questions for hours or, you know, at some point we have to cut it off. But you really do go the extra mile. And one thing you didn’t mention that I think is very important is that you do extensive work practicing, you know, court scripts and scenarios. And you guys are like masters at putting on the, the different judge hats, you know, especially Margaret. But, but right. Like you come out of.

And, and it, it was, it really is key because, you know, it is very intimidating to be in a courtroom with, you know, the judge sitting on an elevated platform with the black robes and everything. You’ve got, you know, an armed guard in there, and there’s, you know, a certain amount of decorum that that is mandated. So having gone through the process in a mock form really helps you just feel confident to say what you need to say in the courtroom because you have to be prepared to interrupt the judge, which is kind of a scary thing to do, and they may not like it.

Yeah, yeah. We have hundreds of experiences from all the hearings that we’ve attended personally, that our students have attended. And we, we know just about every type of personality a judge can have out there. So we can we can wear a number of different hats and we really grill the students on this stuff, you know, make sure that they are building confidence in these roleplay scenarios where we kind of just mock out a whole court trial or a whole hearing. It’s a big part of the class. It’s one of the things that, things that really sets our class apart part is, you know, we do an excellent, really deep dive on getting the students prepared to speak in court.

It’s a really scary thing for a lot of people, you know, but we’ve taken a lot of people that have a fear of public speaking, don’t want to have anything to do with talking to authority. And we can turn a mouse into a lion. You know, we raise them up to be just incredibly powerful and forceful in the port of law without ever having to argue and fight. See, this is really what, what makes the difference is we’re there to show honor to the court. You know, sometimes they’re disrespectful and they’re dishonorable, but we have a way of, of pushing back on that and redirecting the conversation back to our goals.

And students wind up being quite witty, quite able to think on their feet and you know, they’re just prepared for, for anything that a judge could possibly throw at. In addition to what we offer in the classes, we also do private coaching. So if a person has, you know, a very in depth matter and needs a little extra, we can do that as well. And then also in the telegram group, there’s a section for, for the students, just them meeting together and practicing the court scripts too. And sometimes we will sit in on those, but sometimes it’s just the students just getting together and practicing.

So we just provide a lot of opportunity for that to, to take place. Well, it’s really fantastic what you guys are doing. Just want to thank you so much for coming on here and answering all these questions and really giving us a great introduction. And I hope people out there go and find out more about their course. Remember, the link is provided below. And you know, this is where I go to learn, practice and get guidance and I highly recommend it. I’ll see everyone next time on the True Health Report. Thank you so much, Andy. Even if you’re doing your best to live clean, you’re still being exposed.

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