➡ The Anchorman Podcast, hosted by Matt Gaetz, discusses current issues in the country. Gaetz emphasizes the importance of investing in gold and silver during uncertain times, partnering with Lear Capital for precious metals investing. He also introduces Peymon Motahide, founder of the Freedom Law School, who believes income tax is voluntary based on his interpretation of the US Constitution. Motahide’s theory, however, has not been tested in court.
➡ A self-taught law expert started a non-accredited law school to educate himself and others about the Constitution, rights, freedoms, and basics of law. He advises people on dealing with the IRS, arguing that not filing taxes is less risky than potentially committing perjury by filing. Despite not filing taxes since 1993 and being under criminal investigation, he has successfully challenged the IRS in court and continues to educate others about their rights.
➡ The speaker is an educator who teaches people how to use law libraries and understand legal cases. He does not support the sovereign citizen movement or other baseless legal theories. He offers a $50,000 reward to anyone who can prove that there is a law requiring people in the 50 United States to file income tax. He believes that the military budget is too large and wasteful, and that people should be able to keep the fruits of their labor. He also claims that if you don’t owe any federal income tax, you don’t owe state tax either.
➡ The speaker discusses the IRS and its perceived inefficiencies, claiming that many Americans who should be filing taxes aren’t, and aren’t being pursued by the IRS. They also discuss the hiring and firing of IRS agents under different administrations. The speaker believes that the IRS is a broken system and suggests that many Americans are following a method to avoid paying taxes. They argue that the IRS is reluctant to prosecute these individuals for fear of triggering a larger movement. The speaker’s goal is for Americans to regain control from the government and limit its power.
➡ The speaker believes that American citizens are not legally required to pay federal income taxes based on current laws, U.S. treasury regulations, and Supreme Court decisions. He argues that his goal is to restore freedom and greatness to America, which he believes has been taken away by a corrupt government. He encourages people to stop paying taxes, claiming that those who have followed his methods have not faced legal consequences and have improved their financial situations. However, he acknowledges that his views are often dismissed as conspiracy theories and that many people are afraid to stop paying taxes due to potential repercussions.
➡ The speaker encourages people to question authority, emphasizing the importance of free speech and individual rights in America. He suggests that these rights come from God, not the government, and urges people to verify laws and think for themselves. Despite being under investigation for over 30 years, he remains unafraid and continues to openly discuss his views. He also promotes his organization, the Freedom Law School, as a resource for those interested in learning more about his methods and restoring freedom.

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And so I’m joined for this hour with I’m sorry, Peymon Motava. Is that right? Motahede Motahde Payman Motahide. And he is the founder and leader of the Freedom Law School. And the Freedom Law School is available for taxpayers who believe that there is another option. Now I want to get into all of the claims that are made, but first, Peymon, tell me a little about yourself, your background and how someone like you comes to start a law school of this particular focus. Well, I came to America in 1977 at age 14 to land the free home of the brave as I was very excited and America is such a vast rich country.

And then in 1980s I heard in my economics classes that we’re not really a free market economy like we’re supposed to be. So I realized that people like me who believe in freedom very strongly libertarian. So when I became a citizen in 1989, one of the very first things I did is I registered to vote as Libertarian and joined the Libertarian Party and became an activist. And a few years later I heard on a talk with your program Income Taxes Volunteer. Now I’ve been trying to teach Americans that we got to get our country back because even back then I saw the union party in action that unfortunately in our system you get the vast numbers but not all.

Of course, year one exceptions of the politicians out there are forced to make themselves whores of the big banks and corporations who pay for the advertising campaign of politicians totally. And then when they get in there, they don’t represent the voters that voted for them, that represent the people who paid them to get elected. So Harding up tax is voluntary. And I thought okay, that’s interesting. I was a financial planner at the time and so I thought okay. But I didn’t believe it because why would anybody file an income tax if there’s no law? So when I heard this lady on a talk radio in Los Angeles, I called her, went to a meeting and she proved it to me with the law, not with opinion and philosophy which I’m with, because income tax is slavery in my opinion, but with the law as found in the internal Romania code and the Constitution.

So walk me to the provision of the US Constitution that says that income tax is voluntary because I think most people would hear that and say, well gosh, my, my belief is if I don’t pay my income taxes that I’ll be in trouble. With the IRS and I could go to jail. Well, the law is very simple. The founding fathers were freedom lovers. They just fought a bloody revolution to secure their rights and their freedoms. So when the states created the federal government, they put a provision in there that direct taxing of the people of the states must be done by dividing up the bill according to the states and their populations.

The direct taxes must be apportioned. So the tax property in early 1800s, many times to raise revenue for the federal government. And when the international bankers wanted to create the Federal Reserve, which is a privately owned cartel of banks in 1913 and they were going to make money out of thin air and lend out to the federal government, they wanted to make sure that the federal government can and will pay the bankers. So they did a game. They proposed the 16th amendment of the US constitution which supposedly got rid of this requirement of direct taxes on Americans being apportioned or divided among the states.

And they ran a case up to the Supreme Court called Bruce Schaeber which said the tax is a indirect constitutional tax. But what they did is wrote the law not for the 48 states, they wrote the law for Washington D.C. and her territories. Because Washington D.C. is not a state. And the Supreme Court has ruled that the federal government can do what they want in dc. So your argument is that the power that government has to collect compulsory taxes, not voluntary taxes, but compulsory taxes, is limited only to to non state geography. Direct taxes can only be done in this way and this written that way since 1913.

The 48 now 50 states are not listed in the federal tax laws in the definition of the terms United States or State, which based upon that, who is a US Citizen? You and I are deceived to believe and assume it’s a 50 states. But in law it was only DC and her territories in 1913. Yeah, I think plenty would say that the reference to the United States would have broader application and wouldn’t necessarily include the states. But is this the legal foundation that you’re using at the Freedom Law School to tell people that taxes is voluntary? It’s one of them.

Because the US Civic Court in the Brucha and Stanton case ruled that the sixth Amendment of the Constitution did not give Congress any new taxing powers. Before the 16th Amendment, everybody knew the federal government cannot directly tax the people of the 50 states. And it still hasn’t changed. Today when you say it hasn’t changed, has this theory you’ve presented been tested in the courts and subjected to appellate review? No, it has not gone to the Courts, because I discovered this a few years ago by laws being made available on Internet for, for free. So I was able to put the pieces together that before I couldn’t make so easy.

So there’s certainly risk that a judge, a court, regulatory authority could have a different viewpoint on that Supreme Court case and the jurisdictional overlay. Right. Well, the lower courts, according to the irs, they don’t matter. The IRS says in its own manual that only the laws passed by Congress and Supreme Court are the law. But enforcement action gets ruled on by lower courts. By lower courts, Correct. I want to get into that in a moment first. Going from an immigrant to the country to a doctrinal libertarian to the founder of a law school seems to be quite a journey.

Tell us about your education. Are you an attorney? No, I’m self taught. I started business, got my degree in that, and then when I heard about this stuff in 1992, some wonderful patriots. There’s a patriot movement in America, apparently underground but above ground, that studied the Constitution. So I thought, wow, I was so ignorant about all this. And my attorney friend and my other friend with a juris doctor said, Peymon, in the last month, you studied this stuff. You know more about income taxes and the law and about it than we do. So I was amazed.

I thought, what were these people? Attorneys? One of them was an attorney, the other one is actually a law professor at Chapman College in California. So you are self taught. You start this law school. It’s not an accredited law school. Are you on a path to accreditation? No. The purpose of this was to educate me, number one. So I was studying for myself. You started a law school to educate yourself? It’s an amazing job. Before that, in 92, I was studying all this stuff and I started teaching classes to my fellow patriots in Orange County, California.

So as I did these classes that I improved upon them. And other people told me, piman, you are a good teacher. You’re teaching us good stuff. I eventually felt the need to have a law school for the average American. Not to be an attorney, but to know about the Constitution, your rights, your freedoms and, and basics of law and procedure so that you don’t get railroaded by government. Well, let’s talk about that procedure, I guess. Law class is in session here. What is the procedure? If someone follows what you have laid out and they don’t pay taxes, what happens to them? We follow the law as provided in the Internal Revenue Code and court cases.

Basically that simple. And I’ve done this for people. I’ve taught people at first back then, because for many years my goal was to teach myself and others. That’s what led to Freedom law School in 1996. But after several years of doing classes, live in my living room and then selling the recordings of it, doing seminars across America, then people came to me repeatedly, said Payman, we don’t have the time to really study the law like you have, so come and help protect us. So now for over 24 years, I do anything they have with the IRS.

I do it myself. And you do it for other people? For other people. Do you worry that a bar association or a prosecutor might accuse you of practicing law without a license? I’m not doing that. I’m doing all first Amendment free speech associations assemble. All this is first Amendment. So when someone brings you their tax return, what do you do with it that falls within that legal definition of speech? I don’t deal with tax returns because tax return is a confession form. I teach people A confession form. Yes, because you confess under oath, you swear under penalties of perjury that it’s all true, correct and complete.

And by doing that, you open yourself to go to prison for three separate crimes. If you don’t file, you don’t have that problem. Well, it’s a misdemeanor to not file your taxes. And some people get charged with felonies with a third degree felony of attempting to deceive the government by not filing taxes. But for filing you got three separate crimes and that’s nine years of tax. Prison was simple fail the files only miscevened in one year, as you said. Is that the advice you give to people to accept one year in prison? No, I don’t tell them that none of my students have ever gone to prison and myself openly have not filed and paid any federal income tax.

When is the last time you filed? Back in 1993. You have not filed since then or paid and you’ve never had the IRS knock at your door? Oh sure. What happened? I beat them or they left me alone and walked away. How did that occur? Because they don’t know the law. The IRS agents. The IRS agents are not taught law. They just do some procedures. They’re low education, low intelligent, somewhere off the street. They’re a bunch of, I hate to say it, but ignorant bureaucrats. They don’t know law. In fact, I have. So the IRS shows up at your door and they say you owe this taxes.

And you say I don’t owe the taxes because the 16th Amendment process leaves out the states and only includes the geography and they just give up, or do they. Do they ever accuse you of wrongdoing? In that one occasion that they came up in the late 90s, I said, oh, hold on at the door. Let me go get. I’ll be right back. Came back with my tape recorder to tape the conversation. And she just walked down the stairs from third floor. I chased after her. Hey, listen, I’m willing to talk to you. Go ahead, come back up.

You know, I’m here. And she would not even talk to me. They came to your house? They came to my house. Back up to the third floor. Third floor apartment, yes. That was 1998. And she walked away. So most often, Iris, have they come back since? Since they came to my house one other time, yes. And I wasn’t there. What year was this? This was in 2009. Okay. And they assessed 13 years of taxes against me. Right. What was the amount, if you don’t mind telling. Over $660,000. Oh, I could see why they would show up.

Yeah, no, that was afterwards. Okay. Because they were told to get me. That was a target because I was educating American people. So then they just put this on there. And I challenged them. Went to meet with the agent and his manager. They ruled against me. Went to Irish Appeals. That rules against me. Went to tax court. Yes. The government lawyer remanded a case back for a new property hearing. And I presented my case. And the IRS appeals officer and the US Tax Court zero out and removed all of these page after pages of tax liens.

Did the judge issue a final order in that case? It’s available, yes. And is that on your website? Yes. People can look at it and so people can see a final order? Yes. That a judge issued? Yes. That after you not filing taxes for 13 years, they said you do not have anything. Was it just retroactive or do you view this order that a judge issued as giving you forward protections against the irs? No, it was, of course, about the years that issued those 13 years. So did they ever come back, or was that the last you heard from them? You know, I’ve been on the criminal investigation for over 30 years, Matt.

Then and still now under criminal investigation. Currently under criminal Investigation, yes. Since 1994, IRS has had me under criminal and or other investigations to stop me from speaking out and exposing to Americans that you are not meant to be a slave. You can be free. Let me educate you. But I found the Americans. We’ve been so brainwashed by the corrupt media and the accounting community to be afraid of the irs and that’s why people don’t even listen and say, oh no, I’m too afraid, shaking my boots. I won’t even hear it. They literally say the only two things that are certain are death and taxes.

That’s probably why people are so afraid. You’re under criminal investigation. Does that concern any of the people who seek your guidance or viewpoint? Because most people don’t want to be under criminal investigation. Apparently not. Because they know I talk about it publicly. It’s on my website. I show the documents. So you must think the government’s a paper tiger. You must think that a government that has been criminally investigating you for years and years has no real intent to charge you with a crime. Is that what you believe? No. They have the intent. They don’t have the ability.

Do you believe you will be charged with a crime? They may just that Trump was charged. They made foreign charges. But charging and conviction are two different things. Totally. But do you fear being charged? They may. I don’t know. They might. They’re going to try to come up with the phony thing and they lose. In fact, one of my students, Joseph Banister, is a former gun carrying Irish special agent. He learned from me. He confronted the IRS about it when he was an agent with a book and said, commissioner, show me where I’m wrong because I take my old troubled constitution seriously.

And the IRS told him, take a hike. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Someone who worked at the irs. Yes. In enforcement. Yes. Signed up at the Freedom Law School and then went back to. Were they still employed or were they a former employee? He was still working with them, went back, confronted them and they terminated him. He wrote a book and said, look, we are violating the constitutional laws by imposing this tax on the people of the 50 states that do not owe it. Please show me where I’m wrong about all this stuff because I take my oath to the constitution seriously.

I declare my conscious of this. Yeah. They didn’t answer him. He went back to debate them from California many times in D.C. eventually, in 2004, they indicted him for some phony made up tax crime without him ever testifying. The jury recruited him in 2005 and he said that filed the tax. Yes. He’s my. We both haven’t filed all these decades. I am familiar with something called the sovereign citizen movement. And that movement has as an organizing principle that people are sovereign unto themselves and things like driver’s licenses, auto registration, taxes don’t apply to them. Do you, do you consider yourself a part of that movement and do People who are in that movement find their way to freedom Law school.

Well, I’m not part of that movement and I warn against all of these baseless legal theories such as common law versus admiralty jurisdiction arguments or revocation of election or uniform Commercial code, ucc, you name it, capital letters. There’s numerous one of these nonsense legally baseless arguments out there. In fact, I started back in 92 with the adhesion contract theory, which is wrong. The lady was wrong about something she taught me. But fortunately you’re using a lot of, you are using a lot of legal jargon for a non lawyer. A contract of adhesion, that is something where the party entering into the contract has no real power that they’re forced to accept the terms.

And you know, even things like our cell phone bill, right. Our agreement with our Internet provider, those haven’t been ruled contracts of adhesion. Even though we all know nobody reads the fine print, people are forced to deal with Monopol. So what are you alleging specifically as a contract of adhesion? No, I’m saying. She was saying that, not me. Okay, so what I did early on, fortunately somebody taught me how to go to use a law library, bring out their laws and Supreme Court cases and read them for myself. And that’s what led me to teach others to do the same.

I still have a class online for free on how to use the law library. Well, I wonder if people who sign up for these classes and adopt this theory are concerned that the focus that they will get by not filing taxes could cause harm in their lives. Has anyone that’s come through your program had criminal charges against them as a result of your teachings? No. I’ve had other people that had previous problems or IRS was already after them or they start filing with other people with other stuff, theories like you mentioned. Nonsense. And yes, those guys have got in trouble or didn’t stay with me.

So you’re arguing, what you’re alleging here is that people who’ve come through your program, some have faced criminal consequences or at least investigations and charges, but that, that’s not a consequence of following your strategy. That’s a consequence of maybe another filing that they’d made previous, another misattestation or some other basis for not filing taxes. Correct. That’s the position you’re in. Correct. For 24 years. Any of them hold a different view? Do any of the people who have gone to your law school and faced negative consequences blamed you for that? I’m so excited. When we get our Meriwether farm shipments in, you get a Beautiful piece of rib.

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Nor has the IRS ever taken a paycheck bank account or taken a home or property. Yeah, but they could be under investigation. I wouldn’t want that. I would. Even if you weren’t convicted, I wouldn’t want the IRS threatening me, scaring me, scaring my family. Does that happen to some of the people who use your methods? Bottom line is the IRS can investigate and threaten anybody. You cannot stop the police from investigating. But you follow the law and you’re safe. That’s what matters. And that’s why I deliver for our students, because we’re standing together for freedom for America.

My goal, Matt, is not to help people, not to pay income tax for themselves. It’s to drain a swamp so that we can have America like in the Constitution, like the founding fathers wanted. Freedom again. That’s the. Well, I want to get into that. I want to get. The legality and process is so interesting. We had to start with that. But I want to now unpack some of the. The ideological underpinnings of this. You come to this movement of believing that taxes is voluntary through your libertarian worldview. And I’m wondering how many of your. The people who take your classes and follow your methods, how many of them are there because of that ideological reason? And what share of them do you think just don’t want to pay taxes? Because everybody hates paying taxes? It’s not because my worldview that lady92 showed me the actual photocopy of the law on the display.

So it’s about the law because I have my own views about this or that tax, but I follow the law. There is no law that requires the people of the 50 United States to file income tax. In fact, I have a $50,000 reward. Anybody can show me in this 12 page brochure, when I say no law requires 99% of Americans to file and pay income and payroll taxes. If it’s false, 50,000 right now, I’ll give it to anybody because has anyone tried to collect on that? I’m curious. Not this one, but I had a $300,000 reward and the professor from George Washington University in Washington D.C.

tried and failed. And so my website, freedomwallschool.org, stopthefed.com and you can see that. And I told them, look, give another try. I’ll double the reward if you get a judge or one of the US Attorneys to go with you and show me where I’m wrong. And he never tried. To do is an astonishing challenge. And you’re a man of incredible confidence here making some startling claims. And I believe that if everyone followed this method, there would be real risk to them. Now that risk may not be a conviction. You’re right, most people do hate the irs and they’re probably sympathies with people.

But there, there are also probably a lot of our viewers right now saying, well, I pay my taxes. How come Pehmon is able to not pay his? What do you do you ever encounter people who resent the fact that you aren’t making the contributions financially to our military, our roads and all the things that are important for the country? Well, I do pay all the taxes. I’m legally old and I’m trying to wake up the American people that none of us should pay income tax, not just me. I’m trying to wake them all up. But the major media doesn’t want to cover talk about this stuff.

So that’s been my biggest problem for decades. The fact of the matter is that people, when they investigate this, they verify the law. The first thing I say to everybody is follow the law. That’s the first of the seven steps I have for people to be free of the irs. Deception without deception, they make you afraid. With that fear, they rob and control you. So the roads, the schools, the courts, the police, all those are paid by our state and local taxes, not the federal taxes. What about our military? Military, yes, but it’s way too big, way too wasteful.

Back in 01 before 911 and audit showed that they could not account for $2 trillion of the military budget. That was back in 1990s. Now it’s a lot more. It’s a rat hole of corruption, waste. We don’t need all these wars, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, we don’t need them. We can cut the Government down the size by over 90% and we still have too much federal government. And American people will be prosperous because they get to keep the fruits of their labor. Right now, American people are in debt. They need to catch up. Oil prices going up, gas is going up.

People need to keep the money that belongs to them. We have a lot of viewers in New York and California. Some of them may be wondering what this theory of the law means for state taxes, state income taxes in particular. Well, most states like California, New York base their state income tax on the federal law definition or forms. So if you don’t owe any federal income tax, you don’t owe state tax either. Is that what you told people in Orange County, California? Yeah. Did any of them have any California taxing authorities hold a different view? Well, it’s all on our website.

Now. Here’s the thing. Government corruption, of course, is different. Just like Epstein Falls, they’re supposed to be released, but Pam Bondian says, well, no, we’re gonna release it when she has their view. Doesn’t mean she’s right. So doesn’t mean have the view that they have a right view. Okay, but no, I think that the question is not about whether or not the view is right. The question is whether or not any of the people who have followed your methods have encountered state regulators in the tax base who have said that they do owe the taxes. Well, some states, like California, some of them are already worse than the irs.

The IRS is a broken, disorganized, communist, lazy agency. It’s the worst organized federal agency still running on 1960s computers. So. But California Franchise Tax Board is the most aggressive, organized. So some of our people in California pay California income tax. That’s their choice, to do it or not. But the irs, California probably has a different view of what. Yes, they do. Of course they do, because they’re communists. They want the money. It’s pure and simple. So. But the IRS is a myth. In fact, let me tell you something interesting about that. Back in 2020, Matt, U.S.

treasury auditors wrote a report criticizing the IRS that they’re leaving high income non filers alone. People that made over $100,000 not being pursued by the IRS. Since when? I know a lot of people who are. That’s the U.S. treasury report in May 2020. It’s available. That was a while ago. Yes. You know, Biden hired these 87,000 IRS agents in, in his reconciliation legislation. After all those new IRS agents were hired, did you see a change in how they administered enforcement? Well, let me correct that first, okay, he did not hire 87,000. He was budgeted to hire 87,700 per year for 10 years.

And guess what? Trump fired all of them. Fired anybody who’d been with the IRS a year or two without, you know, kind of being, you know, secure. And a lot of them left. So IRS now has less agents than Biden years has. Really? Yes. Because of Trump. That’s one of the good things Trump did. Yeah, I. But the agents that are there when they, when they encounter your followers to this method, you know what, what is the type of feedback you’ve heard from people that they’ve received from those agents they don’t encounter? Because IRS numbers say that the number of non filers in America is about 80 million Americans that are legally, IRS says required to file.

But they don’t. So think about that, Matt. 80 million Americans, IRS has got to file and don’t file a tax return. Are they all in prison or have their paycheck taken? Of course not. So it’s a myth. Second thing in this report was, you’re going to love this one. They took IRS information and told the IRS, look, we found in your files identified 100 richest non filers who each owed the IRS about $100 million. What? Here, go after them. Yeah. Know what the IRS response was? Rather than saying, oh, sorry, we’re embarrassed. How could we lose? You know this.

And I mean, you found it in our own data. We knew about these people, but we left them alone. Sorry, we’re going to go after them right away instead. The Irish refused to commit to going after them. Why? Their claim was they don’t have enough resources. Well, those are the rich people. Ask the irs. I may have to. After all of this, I may have to ask them a lot of questions about this. One of the questions I have for you is scale. Because if you had maybe a small group of people adhere to these methods, maybe it wouldn’t be worth it for the IRS to chase you down and wave the law in your face and subject you to criminal prosecution.

But if, if like a million people did this, if more than that did, you would blow a hole in the federal budget. So talk to me about how many Americans you think are following these methods and what’s your goal as far as adoption? My goal is for American people to wake up and take back America and have the government be limited by the Constitution so the American people can be free. Free. We don’t have the Epstein billionaires controlling the politicians and this country. We have a government of, by and for we the people. Once again, that is my goal and it can’t be done because alternative media like you is giving air time for people to go to our website, stopthefed.com and verify everything for themselves.

I’ll talk to Marty Taylor Greene, I talked to Thomas Massey, other people, I’m telling you, verify everything I say. Don’t believe anything I say, but verify it for yourself because it is so incredibly good, but unbelievable. There is a theory that I’ve heard about, about the Fed. It’s actually Chip, Roy and I were talking about it when I was in Congress and Chip said, you know, Matt, it’s almost like we have taxes just to maintain the illusion delusion that it’s taxes that funds the government. But in the reality, it’s the Fed. It’s the fact that we print money to buy our own debt at enormous volume through the Fed.

And you know, do you believe that if more people followed your theory it would actually embolden the Fed as the principal driver of federal funding? Well, bottom line is, is both okay? Yes. The Federal Reserve private loan does make money out of thin air by fraud and lends it out to government and interest. I agree. Also robs the American people. Well, guess what, you know what if they without income tax, inflation will go higher. So this is going to force the politicians to live within the means. Bottom line is that the slavery system needs to end and the law is on our side.

IRS is a broken agency and it’s imploding from within. Just like the Soviet Union imploded in 1990. My question is one about scale though. Talk to me about how many people in America right now are following this system you’ve described and how sustainable scale is. I just don’t know. You don’t know? I know because is it hundreds, thousands? I believe it’s an over 100,000. I would say people that just don’t file because they believe in this jurisdictional restriction on the irs. Absolutely, yes. Yes. Because you know people, you know, they, some people have a curious smile like me.

And when the lady saw me, I’ll show you by law, I said, fine, I will be only accepting by law. In fact, she said, you got to pay me $40 and I’ll give it back to you if I don’t prove it to you. I said, you aren’t. And I let her keep my $40. If you are criminally charged for this. And I do believe there are, there are the misdemeanors that you mentioned for non filing. You don’t dispute the Validity of those federal statutes. Right. The statues are there. So if you’re charged with a misdemeanor, do you intend to fight that charge or.

Absolutely. Okay, so you’re not someone who says, saying, I’m willing to accept the misdemeanor because that punishment is worth it for not paying my taxes. You would fight a misdemeanor? Would you represent yourself in court? I always have. I’ve always beaten the IRS myself in the court. But hold on. There’s one thing you keep using your term. My taxes. Yeah. There is no my taxes, Matt. There is no your taxes or your audience, the people. The 50 states are not required by law to file and pay federal income taxes. That’s a lie. We’ve been brainwashed for over 100 years.

I’m trying to expose what would stop Congress from just updating the loophole that you believe you found because it would be unconstitutional. The way it is written right now is completely constitutional. Where it applies in Washington, D.C. but not in the. Do you think the reason you haven’t been charged with a crime is because the IRS is afraid that were you to win, you would start an avalanche that they wouldn’t be able to control. Precisely. In fact, let me tell you my other win against Irish. You’re going love IRS came to hotel that I did a freedom event.

Had Congress about dozen speakers, talk about government corruption, criminality freedom stuff. And they wanted the records of hotel, including who attended our meeting by getting the hotel discount rate we had. So what I did. The IRS. The IRS is Criminal Investigation Division special agent did that in 06. I totally understand why. Yeah. And guess what I did. I didn’t just go and petition the courts to squash the summers. I said, sued that agent personally for violating the first amendment rights of me, my wife, and our attendees. And did you win? I didn’t have to. The IRS lawyer forced the IRS special agent to retract the summons and told the judge, judge, let’s go home.

There’s no more summons here. They withdrew the summons after you sued that one? Yes. When the Church of Scientology was being denied a tax exempt status, they employed a similar strategy. They sued individual agents of the irs, like personally. They had to fend off tens of thousands of lawsuits, and they ultimately got the tax exempt status that they had previously denied. Is it part of your strategy here to simply exhaust the irs? I wouldn’t say that. But in Scientology, what it was, they had planted people inside the IRS who gave him information about IRS corruption and IRS with a deal for that not to Come out.

That’s what happens. That happens thousands of individual lawsuits against agents. Yes. No. My goal is that for American people to recognize the founding fathers with freedom lovers. They wrote the Constitution in a way that you will not be to able slave. And the 60th Amendment did not change anything. The way law is written right now still the people with 50 states are not required by law to file and pay federal income taxes based upon the laws written by Congress. U.S. treasury regulations, 1044 instructions and even U.S. supreme Court decision. That’s all I rely on. What do you think is the worst thing that’s ever happened to somebody who’s followed your method, methods that you’re aware of and stayed with me? Nothing.

Well, I mean there have been some negative consequences. There was a. There was a California taxpayer who had to face criminal processes for resolution. Richard Grant before me was doing stuff with other people. Okay? He came to me and I testified. I did some things for him, but he didn’t go with me or my lawyer when he was charged. He got his own lawyer and neither him nor is lawyer work with me. Why wouldn’t you get a law degree and pass a state bar and do this in the more traditional way where people represent the interests of others? Because my goal is not to help individual here and there, save more money.

My goal is to have America be free and great like the fani fathers envisioned to be. So if that came to fruition, because what you’re saying there is you are trying to achieve. You are not here to create a narrow opening and to fit a few people through that opening of that advantage you want. You have a destructive mentality toward the largesse of the federal budget. To me, that’ syou can correct me if I’m wrong. So that’s what you want to go after. And if that were to happen, don’t you think that the government would even if it meant change the Constitution and make some alteration? Or do you really believe that your system achieving scale would result in lower spending? My goal is to restore freedom, not destructive.

Restore America to its greatness that this deep state corrupt government Epstein billionaire gang has taken away from the average American. I want to file the taxes. What’s that? Epstein filed his taxes. Well, he did owe it just like you. And I don’t owe income tax. Again, first thing I teach people is the law verified@stopthefed.com for free. Okay, so we’ve talked about the negative, but I want to talk about the positive now. What have you heard back from people who followed your methods? When they don’t file taxes for years and things go well for them. Presumably that’s happened to some, to everybody.

Okay, none of my people have gone to prison or lost any money to the irs. If they stayed with me, how does their life change for the better? They got more money to pay off the bills, to not have to borrow. Have nicer homes, cars, vacations, better quality food. What else can get you with. Do you think people tell their friends about this? If it works for them? Many people do, some people don’t. And the problem, biggest problem is people tell, they pay month. They all don’t believe it. They think I’m a conspiracy theorist. I don’t get the jab.

You know what I’m saying? You know, they say, I don’t believe all this stuff, you know, so the problem is most Americans have been successfully brainwashed. I’m one afraid I will pay my taxes on the 15th, I will write the check and I will send it in one. Because I do believe that they would probably do harm to my family if I do. And I also feel a duty to pay for our military and some of the things. Now at the same time, I probably share a lot of the frustrations of your libertarian followers. That when I see the fraud in Minnesota, when I see what you’re right about with the military not able to pass audits, when I see the way in California in particular, every government system is bilked.

I want to make that better, but I’ve chosen to try to make that better by impro improving those government systems, not by just starving the beast. You seem to want to starve the beast. What’s next in your plan? Well, you know, when Marjorie Taylor Greene in December 30 said that voting is not working, it’s uni party. Yeah, I’ve been saying that for over 30 years. We need to defund them. Like the founding fathers refused to pay 3% t that they legally owed to the king. But what did the colonists do? They said, we’re going to keep that money and send it to George Washington and company.

And because they did that, we have this great republic, America, the greatest place on earth ever existed is right here. So now we have to follow the founding fathers example. Don’t risk your life or property or sacred honor, everything. No, all you got to do is stop paying your enemies, the beast who have taken over and elect. Matt, when you didn’t run again, I was disappointed because I want to support you. We create a super PAC called Restore Freedom. We’re going to make Matt, not just millions, tens, hundreds of millions and billions to let people like you know, Thomas Massie, you, Marty, Taylor Greene, to go actually win and take back our governments from these people who are whores of the Epstein billionaire gang.

That’s my goal, is to take America back. And I think it’s achievable, certainly with any organization impacting the funding for that organization gets a lot of attention and it gets a lot of focus. And I don’t know if that’s the way to win the country back. I certainly have my doubts. The people who do this. Is this all online? Do you ever get together with others who follow these methods or is it something where people find you on the Internet and proceed. It’s all online. Stop the fed.com and take the seven steps to free yourself. But I tell you, step two and three are the most important because people got to recognize that that Tange 40 form is a confession form.

So what I invite you, right? Well, that’s the thing that doesn’t sound weird about this. You are correct that the attestations that a taxpayer makes on that form are oftentimes hooks into you regarding the legitimacy and the background and the documentation for every. And so I have heard people say because of their unique circumstances, they would rather have the misdemeanor than have a potential felony if they get something wrong and they work through getting that right. But that is different than what you are saying. No, what I’m saying is that what you ought to do, Matt, is file for an extension before April 15 and investigate and verify everything I’m saying once you’ve signed a 1040 form, I cannot get you out of that confession.

You put the rope around your neck and give it to the IRS and people call me before, hey man, I just heard you and I filed my tax return yesterday. Can you get me out of it? And I say, sorry, I can’t do that. It’s irreversible. When under penalty, perjury, you swear you owe the Irish money. You expect the Irish to let you have all expense and deductions. What does America look like in five years if this is adopted at scale in your view? Give me a vision for payments America after voluntary taxpayers stop paying, America will be a country where we have a large middle class, where people can afford to have a decent life, where they can take care of their family, where they got some savings when they can’t homes, okay? Where they get income, eat better food because they can afford to eat better food the way they want their life.

They have that freedom. And we will not be all over the world being policemen in the world, wasting money and lives of our soldiers in all these wars. You know, we’re focused on America and America is going to be really a beacon of hope, an example for the world to follow. Once again, Payman, I did not expect this conversation to go this way. I sort of wondered whether or not there was any intellectual underpinning to this or whether or not you were just an exquisite salesman. I, I think your legal theories are novel, but it’s very clear you thought about them for a long time and it’s very clear you have an ideology and you have looked at this.

I’m shocked that they haven’t tried to throw you in jail yet. They may, but you also don’t strike me as someone who’s very afraid of that. You have a certain come at me bro energy about this where a determination with presidential value could be your ultimate vindication. If they were to do that, because in Iran we could not criticize the King Shah of Iran, you could be jailed, tortured, summary execution for criticizing a king. So America with free speech, all these rights we have like jury trial, I think. Wow. In fact, the Constitution says our rights come from God, not from government.

Whoa. That is huge. So I thought, well, Americans, I verified the law, don’t believe me. Look at it, verify it for yourself. I did. And just open your mouth and think for yourself. That’s all I invite people to do. Look, read, think for yourself. Do not believe me, the government or anybody out there. And with that process, we can have America be free country once again. That is why I’m not afraid. Because you know what, Matt? I said to my friends back in 95, it’s the two my friends came on, if you get big, they’re going to come after you, they’re going to shoot at you.

I’m shocked they haven’t. They shoot at you. You know what I told them? Let them do it. Yeah. And you know What? For over 30 years I’ve been under criminal investigation and guess what? They don’t want to indict me for not fine and paying federal income taxes. They’re looking for some little technicality on something I’ve done and did me on that. Like they tried with Jewel Bannister, the former gun carrying ass agent. When they put him on trial, they did not charge. I hope you’re not a mobster. They had to get the mobsters for not paying taxes.

And maybe they get the tax avoiders for being mobsters, who knows? But you make a compelling point that if someoneif your conduct has remained the same for more than a decade and if there’s broad awareness of that conduct, you’re not hiding clearly here on our program talking openly about it. Which in a way validates your point that you’re not afraid because if you were, you would not be here. They haven’t charged you. In fact, we have petitions for free on our website@stopthefed.com Justinia Congressman Law spilled out, quoted and attached. Say look, show me where I’m wrong on this.

And you know how many congressmen have shown us wrong? We’ve done them thousands of times. Zero times has one liemaker shown us that we are wrong because we right. Well, this former lawmaker is not in a position to do that. But I am going to pay my taxes. Payman, thank you so much for joining us. The Freedom Law School is the name of your organization. It’s not an accredited law school, but you say that it’s available for those who want to learn about your methods and follow. They want to investigate for themselves to restore freedom. Be free.

Check it out for yourself. Read and think for yourself. Hey man, thanks so much for joining me on Anchorman. I’ve truly enjoyed the discussion. Thank you. Likewise. And we’ll be back next week. Thank you all so much. Want to see more? Great video.
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