➡ Patrick Wood, an expert on technocracy, warns about the rise of technocracy and its potential dangers. Technocracy, a system where society is controlled by scientists and engineers, is seen as a threat to personal freedoms and privacy. Influential figures like Elon Musk are linked to this movement, which could lead to artificial intelligence taking over significant government functions and a shift to cryptocurrency. This could result in every transaction being tracked, eliminating privacy and potentially leading to a scientific dictatorship.
➡ The text discusses the potential implications of artificial intelligence (AI) and data collection on governance and economic systems, drawing parallels to China’s social credit scoring system. It also touches on the speaker’s personal experiences with censorship and the suppression of his work on technocracy. The conversation then shifts to the concept of Universal Basic Income (UBI), its origins, and potential impacts on society, particularly on those deemed “unemployable” due to AI advancements. The speaker expresses skepticism about the feasibility of UBI, questioning its funding and the potential societal consequences.
➡ The text discusses the potential dangers of an AI-driven society, where people are reduced to mere numbers in a system. It warns of a future where AI could control everything, leading to massive unemployment and a lack of human interaction. The text also mentions the rapid growth of AI, doubling every three and a half months, and the possibility of AI taking over local governments. It ends by urging people to resist this AI takeover at a local level, emphasizing the importance of human involvement in governance.
➡ The text discusses concerns about the increasing use of artificial intelligence (AI) and robots, and how this could potentially dehumanize society. The author argues that the government may be using high taxes to discourage productivity and innovation. They also mention Elon Musk’s plans to produce humanoid robots, which they believe could further strip away human roles. The text ends with a call for people to push back against these developments, fearing that if left unchecked, they could fundamentally alter what it means to be human.
➡ The article discusses the increasing interest in Technocracy, with more people learning about it and questioning its implications. The author encourages readers to educate themselves and others about Technocracy, highlighting the importance of awareness and choice. They express concern about the potential loss of choice due to AI’s influence on information access and decision-making. The author also discusses the potential for AI to dictate healthcare decisions, leading to a loss of personal choice and control.
➡ The speaker emphasizes the importance of printed books as a reliable source of information, as they are harder to manipulate compared to digital content. They also discuss the potential dangers of relying solely on AI for information, citing an example of a hospital in China planning to treat patients using AI. The speaker encourages people to focus on things they can control, connect with loved ones, and engage in meaningful activities, rather than getting caught up in fear and worry.

Hey friends, Peggy hall, back with you from thehealthyamerican.org you probably know my guest, this is Patrick Wood and he is basically the world’s expert on technocracy. And this is something, as you know, because you’ve been watching my video, you know how concerning this is to me and we are seeing it play out in real time right now. So Patrick, thank you for joining us from Arizona. And all of my viewers have been sending me your newsletter, which I am subscribed and they said you have got to read this article and I will link it up for everybody.

But let me just do a quick screen grab here and then we’ll dive into the interview. So friends, I want you to also go to Technocracy News. And Patrick has been on the front lines sounding the alarm about Technocracy. This is titled Technocracy’s Coup d’etat why America is Going down in Flames. As soon as I read that, I said, pat, you’ve got to come on the show, break this down for my audience because some of them think that I am an alarmist. So what is technocracy and why do we need to worry about it? Well, technocracy, here we go again.

I have to, I have to give the official definition, right? This is from the 1930s in particular. This is what they said about themselves back then. Basically this, the same thing happened, happened today. They wrote in their magazine in 1937, Technocracy is the science of social engineering, number one, the scientific operation of the entire social mechanism to produce and distribute goods and services to the entire population for the time, for the first time in human history, it’ll be done as a scientific, technical, engineering problem. Then it goes on to say there will be no place for politics, politicians, finance or financiers.

That’s a, I call that, that’s a pregnant statement, full of stuff. Science is from social engineering. We see this all over the place now with propaganda. We saw it in the COVID era, right? I call that the great panic of 2020. That was the first instance or the first volley of attacks in technocracies coup d’etat in the first place. And from there it’s gotten worse. And now the technocrats have amassed themselves to the Trump administration and they’ve blended with the populist movement. The populace never, I’m sure most of them had no clue what was going on.

But we, we saw this, this, this so called techno populist movement in Europe, in Italy, in the uk, in Spain. It’s happening in Germany right now where the Populist movement gets a hold of a candidate who will basically say what they want to hear, and then the technocrats wrap their, their cells around the, that whole movement and take the whole thing over the cliff, that point. And this is what’s happening right now with, with all these technocrats around the president. And they basically, they’re, they’re kind of taking, taking over everything we see. Monetary system is in jeopardy right now.

The surveillance system, of course, has always been there, but it’s going to get worse. You see, the health system is just under such attack everywhere. And so, you know, we’re headed straight into a scientific dictatorship at this point. So that’s what’s so troubling to me is there are so many people that have been supporters of Trump, a fewer number, I think, in support of Elon Musk. I’ve been very, very critical of that individual for many years on this channel for many different reasons. His being investigated, the usda, for example, for animal cruelty and torture, all in the name of putting a chip in your brain or those who want to sign up for that and, you know, lying to people about sending cars into space and then laughing about it and then just very juvenile, rude comments just the other day, you know, calling somebody because they questioned his knowledge of using a SQL code specifically related to Social Security.

Point being, Elon Musk has attached himself to this populist movement, to the candidates, and it’s no surprise to me that his grandfather, I believe it was, is the one who. Can you talk about that? His link to democracy? Yep. In Canada, in South America. That’s. Yes. His grandfather was the Grand Poobah in Canada of the technocracy movement. He was over the whole movement. Each province had its own chapter and their leader, but he was over the whole thing. He was briefly put in jail when the, when the Canadian government thought that the technocrats were too close, looking like Nazis in Germany.

And they, they eventually cleared the whole thing and they said, no, you’re not Nazis. But the, the, the, it, it gave him enough, the headache. He left Canada at some point, went to South Africa where he had his daughter, had Elon in South Africa. That’s how he started. So Elon Musk grew up in a technocrat home, no doubt about it. And we can see, I, I can see at least the mindset of a technocrat in him. This has been modeled for him, I’m sure, all of his life. There’s tons of technocrats at this point. They’re, they’re everywhere.

We have Mark Andreessen has been the, the informal advisor to the president to pick these people in the first place. We have Peter Thiel at the forefront. Right. He’s the guy that picked, in the first place, that picked J.D. vance to run for senator and then he lobbied to get him in as vice president. Then you have people like Davis Sachs, and he’s the AI Czar at this point, and the crypto czar. We see all this flavor, in any case, with these other technocrats. Basically, they’re either into crypto or they’re into AI this is going to be the major thing we’re going to see, I think, going forward is the AI, the concept of artificial intelligence to take taking over vast functions in our government.

That’s going to be really ugly, in my opinion. But that’s what’s on the sleeper slate right now. And also to change out the monetary system at this point for some form of crypto. What it’ll be, I don’t know at this point, but however, on, on the first day in office, maybe the second day, Trump signed an executive order for forbidding the, the Federal Reserve from issuing central bank digital, digital currencies. We’ve been talking about that for a long time. The BIS has set this all up all over the world to get a system based on central bank digital currency.

Well, Trump has now X that out in our country, at least temporarily. Yet these, like the crypto, crypto people like David Sachs, who’s now in charge of doing something with crypto. Right. Setting up a national reserve for cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin. Where, where are they going to go with this? Well, they have to have an ID for every person in the system in order to mitigate a financial system like that. So it looks like the technocrats at large, they’re mounting their own campaign, if you can believe this, against the central bank system of the world. And they’re saying, no, you’re not going to do it.

We’re going to do it and pick your poison. Would you like the central banks to be the one that does it to you, or do you want people like David Sachs and Peter Thiel and Elon Musk to do it to you? Either way, we’re going to get something in the end that we won’t like the looks of it. Well, let’s talk a little bit about that, Patrick. My audience is pretty savvy and they are, you know, spending cash and want to keep cash and so forth. But terms of this governance by AI I mean, I think about how frustrating it is Just to get a human being on the phone when I’m trying to solve a problem with my phone or whatever it is and imagine getting rid of.

I mean maybe this is too far fetched but there would no longer be our elected or selected representatives. These decisions would be made, my understanding by a computer algorithm. Adding on to that is that our every transaction is tracked and so you, nothing is going to be private or confidential. Whatever this governance is would know what you bought, who you transacted with. There would be no way of really doing anything anonymously. That’s just kind of the tip of the iceberg. What, what really are the dangers here? That’s, that’s been the case for probably a long time at this point for, for, for instance Amazon.

They sell their data by the way, but Amazon knows everything there is to know about everything. It seems like every person, everything you bought, not just on Amazon but anywhere. They, they harvest data all over the place on, on you. They can pick up all your other purchases from other services online and stores and so on. And you know, okay, they know everything about you there, there is to know you. They probably know you better than you know yourself and they can predict what you’re going to do. At least they think they can. I’m sure that’s not accurate all the time but when, when you go to Amazon now for instance, and you see a product suggested to you that you were thinking, thinking about along the way, maybe saw it somewhere else and Google picked up on it, or Amazon rather, we’re going to offer that product to you.

Well that’s very sophisticated, isn’t it? So you know this, all of this data has been in the system for a long time now. The problem is at this point could it all be fed into AI on a general sense for the sake of governance, not government. Right, Governance to meditate, to mitigate the whole economic system. And basically what, what you ended up with by default is something looking like the Chinese social credit scoring system where you’ll be put within limits what you can do with your money and you can’t do with your money. Maybe based on some criteria, maybe just your pre distribution to want to criticize the government for instance, or do something like that.

You and I will both be in the same cell, I’m sure. Yeah, yeah, we’ll be there. Just as an aside, Patrick, what are, what’s some of the fallout that you have these many years talking out about this? Have you been canceled by you know, PayPal and Venmo have been booted out off of Social media. Have you personally experienced some of these effect? Quite a bit actually. You know I was censored heavily in the 1980s, early 1980s when they tried to deep six my books trilaterals over Washington. It’s been the same ever since. And at this point, for instance, you go to Google and you look for the type in the word technocracy.

That’s a word that I kind of patented years and years ago when I, when nobody heard of it. And that’s how I got Technocracy news. Right. So if you go and look for technocracy put the single word, you won’t find Technocracy news until at least page 8 in the search results. So nobody can find me on Google at this point. And that, that crushed our, our search engine traffic like 95% years ago. So you know, these people are on to me and they understand what I’m doing saying about technocracy. They want to make sure that they want, they want free speech for me, but they’re not going to give me the reach.

Right, right. The shadow ban, free speech but not the reach. Yes, that’s it. That reminds me of people with their employer. The employer said oh no, you have a choice as to whether to get a job or not, but if you don’t then you’re out of a job. But you can choose. It’s like, well that’s not a choice. So it’s that same similar kind of thing. Patrick, I want to ask you what are your thoughts on this universal basic income, the UBI and are you concerned at all about the chatter of people getting their $5,000? Is that opening the door? We know that Musk is a fan of that.

Is that a part of technocracy? Where does that fit in? It is, it is. And in the early days, in the 1930s when technocracy was started at Columbia University, by the way, the scientists, scientists and the engineers that got together, they, they said they were going to make a brand new economic system based on resource allocation and manufacturing, et cetera, and it was going to be controlled by energy. They wanted to create an energy script like money, but not money as they, they were going to do away with money altogether. They wanted to create an energy script and give everybody in society their per, their portion of whatever they thought was going to be produced for energy.

And everybody would get a script that they could spend. If they didn’t spend it by the end of the period, they lose it. If they, if they ran out before the period, they’re just out of luck. But this was b. This was universal basic income at this, at its worst everybody was going to get the same amount. Not doesn’t matter who you are, who you are, what, what job job you have and they were going to tell you where you could work. They’re going to give you a job, you’re going to do the job maybe 20, 30 hours a week and for that you would get your, your stipend.

You know this universal basic income, this, this has been tested now for years in our country and around the world to see what would happen if people get universal basic income. It started out in Stockton, California originally. Oh my gosh. When I saw that, that suggested for Stockton I used. I’m from Northern California and I knew immediately what was on their mind. They want to test out this concept to see what happens when people get free money. Well, it’s not good, I’ll tell you what. But it’s. If you figure look at it this way. They’re, they’re condescending calling people the unemployables who will never get a job again because they’re going to be displaced by AI.

They’re talking about manufacturing jobs, service jobs, white collar jobs, blue collar job, doesn’t matter. They figure there’s so many people who are going to be out of work and they never get a job again because there’s nothing them for them to do. They’re unemployable. These are the people they’re going to get universal basic income. Oh thrill. Okay, so figure this out. If you only have enough money to get a just basically subsist subsistence living stuff, you got a little bit for food, maybe for some shelter, maybe you get a tent, I don’t know, whatever. But you get my, my point.

If you’re pressed down they’re only going to give you enough money just to survive. What happens for of all the other things in society that depend for instance on the gen generosity of people who have excess income to give away like for your churches, right or your charities. What. Forget all that stuff that that’s going to be. That’s going to just going to go away at the first blush of this is crazy. So you know, society would be so impacted by this. But this is not something they want to talk about. They have this, this blind spot of.

It’s not just an ethic ethical issue necessarily but it’s a blind spot to, to see the reality of what they’re doing this by the way in the 1930s when they wrote this technocracy study course that was a bible for them. 1933, 34 it was published and it had a map on the front of the book that was basically the North American Union sort of with Central America colored in, in red and Mexico, Canada, United States, Greenland also the whole block, the whole block was on. Okay, well they, they said this is going to be the North American technape at that time.

And so they never said well how, how are you going to get Mexico to go along? How are you going to get Canada and into this, how are you going to get Greenland and all? What about Central America? Well they never answered that question. They, they just said matter of fact, just like a matter of fact, this is what’s going to be. And you, you, it’s going to be inevitable really. How’s, how are you going to do that? Well, you don’t have an army, you don’t have money to pay anything. You think people are just going to roll over and say you’re the scientist, you’re engineer.

Sure, we’ll, we’ll just turn it over to you to run. You know that, that would never happen. Of course it didn’t happen in America either. But these people were so, they had such blinders on that they never asked the question how would we get this done? You see, it was so stupid for all of the brainiac people they had working on this stuff, they just missed that. Well, we have to do it somehow. You got to make a case for it. At least they never made it. So this picture ended up on the front of their book.

It’s called the Technocracy Study Course. And there was not one word inside about how they were going to achieve this. Well, this is the thinking I, this is exactly the mindset I see today. These people are piping smoke. They really are. They say, oh, we’re going to have universal basic income for everybody. And they say the government’s going to pay for it. You know, Elon Musk is not going to pay for it. Right. He could so his many billions that way. Yes. And see him giving out money. Well, of course it’s silly to think the governments could, could possibly have enough money.

Where are they going to get the money from? Well, not, you know, they’ll, they’re, they will only ended up taxing people like open and SpaceX and whoever or Xai maybe Twitter. Really? You’re going to get all that money from taxation? I don’t think so. So th, this whole, this whole plan about AI at this point is going forward like a rocket ship, but nobody wants to think beyond the nose, right. So they, so the knee jerk reaction is oh, we’re going to give everybody universal basic income, really? No, no you’re not, you don’t have the money, you never, you’ll never have that kind of money to do it in the first place.

So you know, you, you look at, if you kind of see through that, well, where’s this, where’s this going now? It’s going to go into a scientific dictatorship the likes of which we’ve never seen in the history of the world. They’re going to screw up the country, they’re going to screw up the whole world before they’re done, I’m afraid. Tell me a little bit more about that, Patrick. So a scientific dictatorship. One, one is one that at this point it’s driven by algorithm. There’s no mercy in a system like that, right? If you’re, if you’re just a, if you’re just a number in the machine and that’s all you are, you’re not, you’re not anything to a person, right? If you’re just a number, number in a machine, you’re going to be like the Moocow and the feedlot that’s shepherded, you know, pushed to this pen, that pen stuck full of whatever add up, antibiotics, given a food ration.

And when is your time to be exited the earth. They’ll make sure you have planned for that too, you know, but they’re not thinking that, they’re not thinking that way at this point. But this is where it’s going to hit is what it’s headed, this business with AI right now. People don’t understand how, how quick this has come upon us. Today I listen to everything I get my hands on from about AI. I used to be in the software business years ago, years and years ago. So I’m interested in that. In the first place, I didn’t never program with AI but nevertheless there’s certain similarities.

This, the whole field of AI in terms of power, capacity, programming skills and what, what it will do is doubling every three and a half months. Right now it’s doubling, doubling. So it had a running start for sure, but from this day forward you can count at least four months, if less, that this whole thing is going to double in capacity and what it can do. And you, you take that two years from now there’s, there will be nothing that AI cannot do if it, if they put it to, to the test, right? And you, you, you can imagine that if this, if this kind of a system gets a hold of the governor of the governance of man.

What man would look like at that point, it would not be. It’s not going to be pretty at all. So when these people talk about, well, Elon Musk even and David Sachs all. They all talked about the unemployment issue because, well, robots, humanoid robots, AI is all going to put all these people out of work, say, well, maybe, maybe 75% of all the people in the world five years won’t have a job. Really. Okay, this is their predict, prediction that may not work out. I, I understand other something probably come along, may maybe mitigate it a little bit, but this is big, big serious business.

We. If you have even 50% of the people in the world out of a job because, and, and then on top of that, all of people, including those, the unemployables, they’re all controlled by algorithm, who do you call? Right. Who do you call? Right. You know. Yep. Oh, I want to get customer service because no, there’s nobody there, folks. There’s nobody there you can talk to because the humans are all gone. And you’re take. You’re talking to an AI right now. And I have to say, most serve mo. Most support lines right now. I have an AI chatbot hooked up where honestly, you can’t tell.

You’re not talking to a person anymore. It’s getting that sophisticated. They’ll make small, small talk with you. They’ll ask, they’ll ask you questions. You think, I’m surely I’m talking to a real person here. No. And Patrick, this is, it’s not just limited to the United States, right? I mean, this is everywhere. Yes, it is. All of the countries are, are doing this or a worldwide push here. And it is, it is dire. It sounds dire. Is there like, what. Is there anything we can do? I mean, I do, I do try to bank in person and I use cash.

But is, is it too far gone? I mean, are there solutions other than, you know, buckle up and prepare for what’s coming, or is it getting the word out more and more people aware what’s. What are. That’s. That’s a part, that part. Part of it people are sensing now something is really rotten in Denmark. I mean, Washington D.C. yes. Right. They get, they got an idea something’s going haywire here and if we, we maybe we can’t stop it. But whatever Washington D.C. does, we’ve never been in control of that anyway, you know? Right. That’s true. Never.

That really haven’t had any say. Yeah. But in your local communities today, you. There’s lots of things you can do to make sure you get a firewall around your community, your town or whatever, maybe your state as well. And people don’t want to talk about doing stuff on a local basis. They should. They’ve never been very successful at it. But I’ll tell you, this is going to drive people to get down and dirty with their local administration. Because, for instance, here’s the, here’s the first case, case in point. OpenAI the Big Giant right now, that’s the giant in the room, right? For AI.

OpenAI just released a new program for the government called OpenAI gov G O V very original, right? Not OpenAI gov. And guess what? They’ve tailored it for use with governments. They say, well, it’s going to have secured data storage and all kind of stuff, but basically you could pump all your data if you want to and sensitive data into our AI program to help you administrate it and figure out what’s going on with here, this person, that person, whatever. And it doesn’t matter what your objective is. They could run whole, whole departments by itself. But OpenAI has released this product, commercial product.

The government’s going to pay a lot of money for this, I’ll tell you what. But now they’re saying, well, we’re going to, we’ll be the first on the block and you know, other companies are going to come right behind them to offer their products to the government as well. So they’re the first. They’ve in this, in this, in a footnote. Oh, by the way, they’re also going to offer, offer this program, gov, to state governments as well, and then to county governments and then the city governments as well. Okay? Now put, put two and two here together.

When they come to your city, which they will, I guarantee you, just as certain as I’m sitting here right now talking to you, I guarantee you these people are going to call on your city to make sure that your city buys their product, OpenAI gov. And they’ll teach them how to, how to use it as well. They don’t, they won’t. Just leave them alone. I will be right there with you all the way and you know, help you implement it and save all this money and your, your city, you have a chance. Now. What are you going to do? Get out and tell your people and your state, your city, your county, don’t give these people an opportunity to even come and present to you.

We do not want, this year, we do not want to be ruled by AI no hate, no way, no How? Never. There you go, Patrick. Is that, does that dovetail with these smart cities? Is that a part of it? Like everything connected with the street lights and the surveillance and information? You bet it does. It absolutely does. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. This is the pinnacle of technocratic achievement with AI. It just is stunning what they can do. So far, all of these cities like smart cities, Phoenix is one, Glendale’s one. You know, they’re. Most cities are into that some.

Some way or, or another. Right. But with this new product now called OpenAI. Gov, this opens the door to tithe all those sensors together in a way that’s never been. Never happened before. And when, when, when AI assesses all the feeds coming off of all the data, data in that city, and then turns around to figure out how can emit. Go after the sources of the data to manipulate them, that’s gonna, that’s gonna be really dicey. We don’t want it. We don’t want it. No how. No, it is. It is stunning. Like you say, it’s. The AI is doubling every three and a half months.

But it’s stunning just how quickly all of this swept in with this new administration. I was making a couple of notes here because we’re seeing it already where we’re told that these programs identify these individuals that need to be laid off immediately. And then Trump’s offer of paying them through these months, it’s that it’s like that slow creep, that incrementalism, getting people used to getting paid for not working. And kind of another aspect of that, Patrick, is people not being productive. I think that one of the reasons why I just call them the, the bad guys, the evildoers, the puppet masters, the powers that shouldn’t be.

Human beings are obviously valuable. We have brains, not computers. We have a body, not a machine. I reject that type of language as well. And because we are problem solvers and thinkers and creators and innovators, my belief has always been that the government wants to squelch that at every, every way possible. That’s why these onerous taxes, because people are thinking, why should I even work harder if half of it’s going to go to the government? It’s not even that they want the money. They want to strip us of our productivity, of our problem solving, because we could be living in, you know, a proverbial Garden of Eden right now.

There is so much possibility that we could do, but we’re squelched at every step. So this paying people for not being productive feeds right into that. Having the machines and the AI making these decisions. I saw a funny meme that said I thought a robot would iron my clothes and do the dishes so I could do the deep thinking. But it turns out the robots are doing the deep thinking and I’m the one doing the dishes and washing my clothes. Yes, exactly. You know, by the way, we need to talk about Elon Musk’s entry. And it’s called.

His robot is called Optimus, I believe. And he’s going to manufacture at least 10,000 of us. But these. By the end of 2025, he’s using them basically to build more rob robots in his factories. But next year, in 2026, oh, thrill. You’re going to have hundreds of thousands of these robots produced in factories all over the place. And there’s not just his only own factory, but there’s competitors as well. These, these robots are so sophisticated. They look, they’re humanoid. They can walk, they can talk, they can, you know, manipulate things that can cook your meals, whatever, and fold your clothes.

And by the way, you talk about the, the me. The menial stuff, right? Yeah, they all, they also bring the AI to you, basically a PhD level. What you. Whatever you want, peach PhD thinking to solve all your problems. You know, you can’t make this stuff up. But this, this is the, this is the, this is the dream, for instance, that Elon Musk has articulated his. His robots will be so sophisticated. Imagine all of the, the open AI, the, the anthropic deep seek. Doesn’t matter. Imagine all that horsepower available and your personal robot. Well, there’s a TV show.

There was a TV show out of Sweden a few years ago about that, about the robots, the humanoid robots. I can’t remember the name of it. I think it was called. I need to get the name of that. And yeah, it doesn’t always end well. Do you think. Are there people that are really excited about that? Most people I talk to are not interested in having this, you know, transhumanism or whatever. You. I know exactly. Many people, young people, don’t get it. They’re, they, they’re not able to think past their, their hormones at that point. You know, anybody who has experience in life has at least had.

They have a, an appreciation what it means to be human in the first place. Yeah. If you strip, if you strip man and women, I. Generic man. If you strip man of his humanness, what’s left, right? Nothing. Nothing. And by the way, Art, when, when they use this term, artificial intelligence, realize. You realize that’s. That’s an oxymoron. Exactly. This is not true. This is. This is the biggest. Biggest lie that ever came down the pike. It’s not intelligence, folks. You’re right. But you could call it whatever you want. It’s artificial for sure. That’s right. That’s right.

But it’s not intelligent. No way will ever be sentient. Cannot be. Can assume human. Human emotions. No way. It’ll never happen. I’m glad you said that, Patrick. Just a control system. That’s all it is. Yeah, I’m so glad you said that. I feel exactly the same way. And the language is important. You know, we’re told that our. Our brains are computers and our bodies are machines and no going back. You called it in 2020, the. What did you call this? The Great Panic. The Great Panic 2020. And, you know, thinking about that as well, and I know you.

You spoke extensively. You had trainings for people about standing your ground, and all of that was. Had such an impact. You had brochures that people used in terms of the masking and so forth. At the root of it was the dehumanization of the individual. People that wanted to go with those protocols or suggested whatever you want to choose that. Choose that. To have that inflicted upon us as a visible way of dehumanizing, of getting rid of the individual. And so many people that actually wore these devices, as I call them, suffocation devices, interestingly, they would say things like, I felt more powerful.

Well, because they were masking their identity. So there were altercations that people had with those masked bandits because they no longer were acting with the human emotions and the compassion and the understanding and can we work this out? So I saw that whole phase, which I. I call the hogw, that it had. That. It had so many results that. That these evildoers wanted, but I think a huge one was dehumanizing the individual. Of course, people falling for it, going for authority where there was no authority to be had, following, you know, governor’s edicts that had no legitimate legitimacy and so forth.

But the dehumanizing of the individual is what really affected me the most. And when you started talking about that, that kind of plays right into it. Yes, yes, it really does, doesn’t it? When this whole movement, remember this has been going on for 50 years, at least they’ve had time to build their infrastructure. The fact that it’s all popping up all at once shouldn’t surprise us, really, because that’s the way big projects happen. They have to do all the engineering, the infrastructure, blah, blah, Blah. And then all of a sudden the building pops up, right? Well, the pill, the building’s popping up right now.

That’s all, that’s all what it looks like. But going back philosophically or the, the intent was always there from, from the beginning, at least for, from 1973 onwards, when. That’s when the Trilateral Commission got a hold of technocracy in the first place and they, they put it into the, they gave, they gave planet Earth a shot and it, they inoculated the whole planet with, with this, this mind virus, if you will. Tecracy. Right. And we sit, we see it worked out as a sustainable development agenda. 21, 2030 agenda, all this stuff, the Green New Deal, it doesn’t matter what climate change, all this stuff was just a facade to bring technocracy to the point where it is today.

Exactly. And I. Do you get the sense, Patrick, that more and more people are waking up to that. They are. They are. Yeah, maybe. Maybe they, maybe they, maybe the one reason that they’re, they’re waking up is because they, they sense that their humanity is being stripped away from them. Maybe, maybe that’s the force behind it. Right now, I don’t know. I don’t think people can. They’re not going to be logical about it to think, oh, I, something’s going on. I’m gonna, I’m gonna investigate, go find out what’s going on. I don’t think people are capable of this at this point.

But maybe when they, when they sense that they’re, they’re something, something of their humanness is being stripped away. Maybe that’s disturbing people. It should. Yeah. All of the, all of this, this whole platform, even going back to the, to the 30s, it was all anti human, right? All of it, every single bit of it is anti human. That, that includes your humanist as well. But is anti human? Many books have been written about this, by the way. That’s not. I didn’t come up with that. Right, but it’s anti, is anti human and it’s also anti civilizational.

Yes. There’s nothing left when these, when these people get done, there will be nothing left of the human race as we know it today. I hope they don’t go that far. I’m. I’m thinking back to the Tower of Babel when, when that was all things, you know, when God concluded, well, if we don’t, if we don’t stop them, they’ll do any, everything that’s in their mind to do. The Bible doesn’t tell. Tell us what they’re going to do necessarily. But this is kind of where we’re at right now. You know, these people want, they have something in their mind.

They want to do it, they can do it. They have the ability to do it. They have the money. God knows if they’ve got the money to do it and will, will they succeed? That’s the only question at this point. How far are they willing to take it? How far are people, will they push back against it? I don’t know. I’ve been, I’ve been hoping for 15 years now that they would push back. So far I haven’t seen it. But nevertheless, we. You. But you’re right, there are more people understand it now than ever before before.

More people are writing about Technocracy now than ever before. I’m, I’m talking not just casual journalists, but detailed, substantive journalists are writing about it now. Even books are coming out other than mine. So this is a good thing. This is how ideas spread and we need this. Is it too. Is it, is it not enough? Who knows? But we do. We do what we have to do. Well, friends, I want you to go to Technocracy News. I’ll have a link and that’s where you can get started. Sign up for Patrick’s newsletter. There’s a wealth of information.

You can just do an Internet search. I know he’s shadow band, but you can find talks that he’s done. I mean, you’ve been at this for years. And I will say that it does encourage me to know that there are people like you that are awake and aware and speaking out against this. Even if this, you know, train of oppression and tyranny and Technocracy is coming, at least I know that I’m aware of it, that I wasn’t bamboozled by it. That I can stand up and say, hey, this train is coming. Whether or not I can personally, personally stop it.

I don’t know that I have that power. But I do feel empowered with the knowledge, with the conn, taking actions such as learning more about it, sharing these videos with others that may not realize it. But I wanted to go back to one point, Patrick, before we wrap up. And I do get a sense that more and more people are curious about this, learning about it, being, you know, frustrated by this. And I look at that also over the panic of 2020 going forward. They push so hard to get these products into people’s bodies. If they had kind of just let it, I think a lot more people might have done it, thinking, well, it’s no big deal.

You know, I get flu shots or whatever, but because they pushed so hard, people’s jobs were at risk, their lives were at risk, their livelihood. And I know this anecdotally because I worked with a lot of individuals that were in the medical setting, in the medical field that said, you know what, Peggy? I used to get all the flu and the tetanus and hepatitis, but now that they push so hard on this, I call it cooties. It made me question everything else and I’m not even going to do everything else. So there’s this boomerang backfiring effect.

And I know people that are ditching their, you know, cell phones and going, you know, just even to a flip phone, I should say, where they’re not going to have all these apps on their phone. That’s one another thing that I just, I don’t do the apps. Meaning if I’m doing a search on my phone and it says, oh, do you want to open up the Google app? Or whatever. No, I don’t because I believe that there will be a day where we will not have the Internet and everything will be on an app. Meaning it’s a very closed system.

You can only access their information. Probably you’re gonna have to pay for it. But this open Internet, as we wrap up, I would love to hear your thoughts about that. The Internet and our access, they’re already burying information. But what are your thoughts on that, Pat? They are. Well, here’s, here’s one example when Google introduced its Gemini product AI product to take your search queries not just return the listings that you thought you wanted, but rather to give you an answer that it determines by AI, you know, certain taking all the articles they could get their hands on at that point and they give you an answer at the top, but you don’t see any of the articles contribute to it.

Right. This is an example where the Internet is changed subs Fundamentally is changing because now you can’t find the information you’re looking for. It’s going to tell you what you found, what you. What if it thinks you want to hear, right? And it doesn’t actually, it doesn’t matter. It’ll tell you what wants to tell you no matter what. So if you kind of multiply that across the whole spectrum of services and. And areas of a human domain, choice is. Has always been fundamental to being human. Yes. When you have a choice to pick your articles that you want to consume, it doesn’t matter.

You, you make your choice and live with it. You don’t have that choice anymore. But choices are going to be stripped away all over the place and time where you’re not going to be able to have any say in anything in the end, because the AI is going to tell you this is what you need. That’s what you, that’s, this is where you should go. This is how you should treat yourself. God help us. You know, I know when, when Larry Ellison stood up with the president and talked about a new vaccine. This is the, the founder of Oracle, one of the.

This in fact, the biggest database company in the world. I’ve tracked this guy for a long, long time. He’s a nutcake, I’ll tell you what. But that’s beside the point. He’s a risk. We’ll have to have do a whole nother conversation about him in the future. Pat. Okay, so here, here you got. He, he gets up and he says, well, we, we can, we can look at your blood. AI can look at your blood and tell you if you’re going to get cancer or if you have cancer and maybe you don’t have it now, but you know, we can tell you’re going to get it and we’re going to give you a vaccine in 48 hours tailored just for you.

And you’re going to take that vaccine and it’s going to be good because you won’t get the cancer or if, if you have it, you won’t, you get rid of it, right? So just if you think through, this is an area where, where these people don’t think, they just don’t get the other possibilities. Now, AI, what. Which already knows everything there is to know about every cancer in the world, right? Is this PhD, PhD, PhD on top of each other on melod medical science, right? That’s going to tell you for certain that you’re gonna have, either have cancer, you’re gonna get this type of cancer before you die, and you have to take this vaccine that we’re going to give you.

Where are you going to get a second opinion, right? You can’t. It, you can’t do it. It’s going to tell you you have to do it, and then it’s going to say, okay, so are you or you or are you not going to do what we tell you to do? And if you don’t, if you don’t take your vaccine, it’s off your, off with your head at that point, you know, so to speak. Not really literally necessarily, but you can, you can forget some of your Medicare benefits and wanting to go to the hospital if you do get cancer and get the benefits that you think you should have, and, and the treatment that you think you should have, well, they’re just going to look back and say, you know, if you did what that we told you to do in the first place, you wouldn’t be knocking on the hospital store to get something else, you know, and you won’t get an aspirin out of.

This is. This is the heartbeat of scientific dictatorship. That’s right. No choice. No choice at all. That’s right. And again, they set us up for it well over the years, but so recently, well, if you don’t go with this protocol again, you’re not able. You’re going to have your medical care withheld. People that were not willing to undergo, I call it the nasal Schwab assault, they weren’t willing to do that. They were denied medical care. They weren’t willing to suffocate themselves to go to the hospital. They were told they couldn’t be seen. So on a minor level, they were all not so minor for some.

They were already conditioning people for that. But you’re absolutely right. There’s no second opinion. We don’t even know if those results are going to be accurate. I had to share something with you, Patrick, because, you know, it’s been in the news now that there’s a measles outbreak. And I here’s something else that we can do, friends, is don’t. I don’t use chat GPT. I don’t. I have not done, done that. I’m not going to do that. But when I do do a search, it will generate and it will say AI overview. And I’m not seeking it out.

I’m not paying for that. I’m not relying on it. And it’s stunning to me that some people are actually using that as their basic source of research. It also, it takes the humanity out of it, your intellect out of it, your ability to make connections, to draw conclusions, to synthesize the information. So even if it’s accurate, that’s not even the point. The point is that you now are being removed from that. As you said, at least have the choice to look at this. So that’s one thing you could do, friends, is just don’t use that if you ever wanted to.

These are little things that we can do again to stand up for ourselves. But I have to tell you, this was funny. So I thought, well, what is the. How many people? What is the mortality rate for measles? So I type it in. And it says in the AI overview, in the United States, about 500 people died from measles each year in the 1950s. However, the actual number was likely closer to 4 million. From 500 to 4 million without any, you know, without any reasoning, without any references, without any verification. I don’t even. I just thought that was the funniest thing.

It left me chuckling last night. But it’s not funny because people are going to rely on this without doing their own research. The information is also, as we know, is being censored. It would take a lot of deep digging, which, you know, I. I don’t mind doing. But the other thing I wanted to mention, what people can do is buy books. You have books, friends buy books. The printed word is much harder to manipulate than something on a computer screen. They can doctor it up. They can, you know, erase websites and documents. Even, you know, our video AI can have you and me saying things that we’ve never said.

They can have us with other people that we’ve never been with. So that I think can all be manipulated. But the written word. Buy books, keep books, go to libraries, go to bookstores, go to thrift shops. And I’ve got a whole. I’ve got bookshelves full of books, and I’m not going to get rid of them. And I think that’s something that we can do. Write books, buy books, save books, share books. Those are just a couple things that came to mind. Absolutely. A lot of people like to get ebooks and stuff like that. Well, okay, if you’re going to do that or you listen to audiobook, fine, get the printed book in addition.

And then nobody can change, nobody can censor you. Yeah. Well, Patrick, we definitely need to do this on a frequent basis. There’s so much information you have, and I’m really grateful for your generosity to come here and share this with all the healthy Americans. I would love to have a conversation about Larry Ellison, about Oracle, about its tentacles. And then I really do want to continue to talk about this. I did a little video called Dr. Robot Will See you now. And it does help to open people’s eyes when it. It brings it right home for them.

So I have to say I. I forgot to mention to you. Did you hear about the. The hospital in China that’s going to this an a hot. A hot. A high hospital. And the. No doctors, no nurses, you. But the doctor will see you now. Yeah. By AI and they’re planning on initially treating 5,000 patients a day. And they want to expand that the scope of it to be 10,000, 10,000. And it just, that just my, my mind just exploded at that point. What? Yeah, but they think they can do this now. So all these sick people around their society, they’re going to have to go through the AI hospital to get any, anything done other than a prescription perhaps or diagnosis, whatever.

It’s just crazy, crazy stuff. Yeah, well, I always kind of leave with the idea of what we can do is we can live each day, we can spend time doing things that we enjoy, we can connect with meaningful people. And for heaven’s sakes, take a break from the headlines. Don’t get in the spin cycle because there are a lot of things that we can control. In the very early days of the, the panic of 2020, I remember taking out a notebook and just making a list of everything that the government could not take away from me.

And it tried to instill fear. It tried to, you know, shut down my jobs. I had two part time jobs at the time and they just closed the doors. I thought, well, there are things that I can do that, that the government cannot touch. And even with technocracy, even with the scientific dictatorship, there are still things that we can do. Connect with people that we love, create things of meaning, continue to increase our know and make your own list, friends of things that are meaningful and relevant for you. And that is empowering. So we don’t want to, you know, I know Patrick, you’re a man of solutions and education and information.

And the bad guys want to wear us down. They want us to sit on the couch and worry ourselves. And there is a lot out there that we can do, friends. And I want to read your comments as well. Drop a comment, let me know what you are doing in order to stand up against this rapidly encroaching train of technocracy. Patrick Wood is the man. He has been writing about it, sounding the alarm and we’ll definitely do this again. Pat, any, any final word before we sign off here? Nope, that’s it. Thank you. Thank you for your time as well.

Absolutely. Okay, we’ll be in touch. And friends, you know where to find me. It’s peggyhall.subsect.com I’ll have a summary of what Patrick and I talked about today and then be sure to be subscribe to this YouTube channel so that you can hear upcoming interviews with Patrick. And we’ll continue to read between the Lies as I like to say that they’re dishing out there for us. All right, take care, Pat. Bye bye. Thank you.
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