➡ The article discusses the vulnerabilities of our power grid and the potential threats it faces, including physical attacks, cyber attacks, solar flares, and high altitude nuclear EMP attacks. It emphasizes the importance of grid security and the need for action to harden the grid against these threats. The article also highlights the potential catastrophic consequences of a successful attack on the grid, including societal collapse and mass casualties. It concludes by urging individuals to understand these risks and make appropriate plans to respond to such events.

➡ NERC and FERC are two organizations that regulate the energy industry in the US, but they lack federal oversight. This means that electric utility companies can set and enforce their own security standards, which can lead to vulnerabilities in the system. These companies have spent billions on lobbying to maintain this lack of regulation. Meanwhile, countries like Russia and China have stronger control over their utilities and are preparing their grids for potential cyber attacks or war scenarios. The US’s push for a smart grid, while beneficial for efficiency, increases vulnerability to attacks and makes it harder to protect the grid.

➡ The Pentagon has documents that could hinder our progress, but some military groups are taking action, such as Joint Base San Antonio, which is testing new technologies. However, the focus is often on large bases in populated areas, which could be problematic in a crisis. The speaker suggests focusing on rural bases and using small nuclear reactors for power. They also express concern about the lack of a plan for a long-term power outage, and suggest hardening high voltage transformers as a first step to prevent an EMP from damaging the grid.

➡ The article discusses the political and security implications of the U.S. grid system, highlighting the potential risks of Chinese involvement. It mentions how previous administrations have handled infrastructure projects, such as Trump’s border wall, and the potential for a trade war with China. The article also raises concerns about Chinese companies infiltrating U.S. tech and universities, and the installation of Chinese transformers in the U.S. grid system, which could potentially be remotely controlled or shut down. The author calls for more attention and action to address these issues.

➡ The speaker is calling for help in their fight against the potential threat of the Chinese government infiltrating the U.S. power grid. They need legal, media, and marketing experts to join their cause and help secure the grid. They believe that the Chinese are building backdoors into transformers, making the U.S. grid vulnerable. The speaker also discusses the need for government action and individual preparedness, including hardening personal power grids.

➡ The text emphasizes the importance of being prepared for emergencies, but advises to do so wisely. It suggests understanding the situation before making hasty decisions like buying unnecessary items or spending excessively. The advice given will vary depending on individual circumstances such as location and financial ability. It also warns against falling for scams from companies promising protection.

JSHP is one of the world’s largest high voltage transformer companies. In China, they’re getting their transformers put all around the US Somebody somewhere looked at one of these transformers, is like, this ain’t right. And they dissected that thing and they found the ability to basically shut it off and destroy it remotely from China at a moment’s notice. The same company that we know that are building back doors is they’re selling like hotcakes in the US and the utilities are installing them. If we don’t fix at least this stuff, there’s no coming back. We’re not coming back from.

If there is going to be a nuclear war, it is going to be an EMP nuclear weapon. World War 3 will be fought in the electromagnetic spectrum. It will be fought with this type of weaponry. With the EMP attack, you can win a war. On day one, you take out a country’s ability to feed itself, to communicate. Interstate trucking, no water, no sewer. 90% of the population would be dead within the first year. Not a lot of people are tying the pieces together and really seeing the mushroom cloud that’s on the horizon. World War three is already happening.

A house of cars and it is in the process of collapsing right now. You’re going to see an economic crash the likes of which we’ve never seen. Hi folks, Canadian prepper here today on the channel. We have back once again Jonathan Hollerman who’s the deputy director of the U.S. task Force on National and Homeland Security. Number one bestselling author on preparedness. He is a grid down consultant. He has a business called Grid Down Consulting. We’ve talked in the past about various security considerations for preppers. I would encourage you guys to check out that video. It is rather extensive and highly informative.

He’s also a former military Siri instructor, which stands for Survival, evasion, Resistance and Escape, and a member of the Secure the Grid Coalition. So today we’re going to talk about grid vulnerabilities, micro grids, what we can expect perhaps in the next four years. He’ll share his thoughts on the Trump presidency and whether or not the the threat level has declined or whether it’s the same or whether it’s increased. I guess we’ll have to hear his thoughts on that. Maybe a little bit about geopolitics and he has some information to share with us about Chinese transformers. You’re going to want to stick with us to the end of this video because he has some important information to share.

So what do you think? We haven’t spoken probably for several months. I don’t think any of us, we really didn’t know at the time whether or not Trump would become the president. What are you seeing in your consulting with respect to the industry, with respect to people’s attitudes towards preparedness since Trump won the election? Well, Trump is a great savior and all is right in the world now, right? No, I’m kind of joking. You know, I’m kind of joking. I’m kind of not. It is. I saw this happen back after Obama, when, when Trump, when Obama got into office, business of mind boomed.

It was the end of the world. You know, the EMP attack was coming tomorrow. Obama was going to ruin everything. Right. And then we had Trump coming to office and it’s like, oh, you know, we’re perfectly safe. Nothing bad’s going to happen now. And business dips and then, you know, body gets an office and it’s the end of the world. It’s just so I, I, the last time I was on I’d shared it. I work with high net worth families and help them prepare for a long term collapse event. And the about a year ago I have never seen in my business, I mean I was flying every week.

The people that I’ve been working with for years, like all of a sudden they wanted, everybody wanted it done by November before the election. Everybody thought Kamala was going to win and you know, everything was going to go bad. And then, you know, Trump gets in there and then everybody’s like, okay, we’re good now. And so my point is, is yes, it is better. I’m very happy. So first off, task force, we’re a non political organization but I’m happy. As far as the Secure the Grid coalition and, and looking at grid security, it is a good thing that that happened, but it does not lessen the threats and the risks involved with grid security.

Yeah, I’d have to agree with you especially and not to get overly political, I mean people have mixed opinions about the cabinet that’s been selected. But you have several members of his cabinet, be it the National Security Advisor, Mike Waltz or the Secretary of State. All of these people who are slated for the position, there’s no guarantee that they’ll get it. Pete Hagseth, Lee Stefanik, Mike Huckabee, Tulsi Gabbard is probably the only one that really stands out as perhaps going against the grain of the neoconservative bend. So you know, I think that we probably shouldn’t hold our breath.

We should hold people accountable and Be, I’m going to say be a little, I don’t want to say pessimistic, but be realistic with respect to our expectations about things. And, and the world is still an incredibly precarious place that’s on edge on pretty much multiple fronts. And I think it’s unrealistic to just imagine that these threats are going to evaporate just because, you know, there’s a new boss in town. Yeah. So we, I, I actually met with Senator waltz there just three months ago in his office in D.C. talking about great security matters. So again, so when I look at who’s Trump is picking so far for the most.

For the most man, he’s picking great picks from my perspective as far as what we’re looking to have happen. Right. So Mike Waltz, great pick. National Security Advisor Pete Hegseth, I mean, that would be a godsend. He is very, he is very up to date on grid security and the threats that face the American electric grid. I believe he will make that a top priority at the dod, which I’m going to get into a little bit in the military basis and what we should and, you know, shouldn’t do. But as so far, the people that Trump are putting forward are good.

We have, we hope to further the conversation with these men that we have worked with in the past, but we really need to focus on what I believe needs to happen is a lot of the people, and again, none of us are funded. The task force Secured Grid Coalition, Resilient Societies, these organizations that are trying to convince the government to take this threat seriously and harden the grid. The, the, they always focus long term to have a completely hardened American electric grid. I mean, that’s a 10, 15 year plan at best. Right. If you, if we started tomorrow, if we did a Manhattan Project, maybe you get it done in seven or eight years.

But that means that all the ducks would have to line up in a row and everything would have to happen just right. So what happened in the previous administration? It’s been five or six administrations now that nothing’s been done. So this isn’t really a Republican Democrat thing. But when Trump was in office, the Chinese transformers, which we’ll discuss in a bit, he put out an executive order saying absolutely not. We’re, we’re putting the kibosh on that. And then Biden’s first day in office, he got rid of all Trump’s executive orders, including that one. So all of a sudden this Chinese transform company is building back doors and transformers.

It’s all of a sudden selling transformers In America again, like hey, you know, who cares? So that’s the type of stuff that happens with this pendulum swinging back with politics left, right. It seems to be swinging further and further. So my big concern and a lot of the our organization’s concern is what can we get done in four years? Because this long term play of Harding, the entire American electric grid, we may get that ball started. There’s going to be a lot of research and a lot of things that take time to get the infrastructure started.

We may be just kicking off in four years if everything works. Hegseth Mike Rogers, the Senator Rogers, I’m sorry, Senator Waltz gets in there. Mike Rogers too, he’s part of our group and Ron Johnson. If we get some of this stuff moving, what could happen is that Penn of them could swing back. We could get a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or somebody that’s really concerned with climate change or this or that. They could come in on day one and just put the Kai boss on everything we’ve been working on. That’s a big concern. So for me, yes, it’s an all, you know, we’re taking both ends of the bridge long term.

We’re thinking long term. We need to start getting these things in play. But one thing I’ve been looking at and been doing a bunch of studies on is like military bases, I think we could get 10 or 12. Rural is the key word, rural military bases hardened small nuclear reactors, small modular reactors and things like that. We could get a lot done in four years. We just have to have the initiative and you know, the, the cajones to kind of pull the trigger and press forward on a lot of this stuff. Yeah. And just to, to kind of be clear because I know we’re going to get a little bit of pushback in the comments with respect to some of the cabinet decision.

You’re saying with respect to these guys interest in hardening the grid. That is with respect to what you’re doing in that respect they’re better not necessarily with respect to what their foreign policies are going to be. I don’t care about their personal life. I’m talking about specifically the fact that these people that he’s nominating, two possibly three at this point are very, very engaged and getting the grid hardened. So we’re really excited about them. I don’t know, we’re not commenting on what their other policy positions are. I’m talking about just the grid security side of it.

Yeah, thanks for clarifying that. Yeah. No, so with respect to what can be done then for grid security. And let’s just talk about why should people care at all? I mean maybe going back to the simplest questions because there’s some people who might be wondering like what the hell is this? Most of our viewers are well up to speed with respect to what the effects of EMP or cyber attacks might be. But what are the vulnerabilities of our power grid and have those risks increased or have they decreased over the last since I guess we last spoke? Yeah, so I would say I did a two part interview with you here last year.

If you put the links down below, we went, we spent two hours on this. Definitely go watch that. But I’ll do like a crash course. We’ve got four major threats to the grid right now. You’ve got the threat of physical attack, you’ve got the grid of the threat of cyber attack back a large cme, our solar flare, the, the sun is entering its solar maximum right now. For the next 18 months we’re going to be getting some pretty big bangers here as far as CMEs. We’re 75, 80 years past due for Carrington level solar flare to hit the US or to hit the Earth I should say.

And that would affect Canada more, probably even more so than US so and then the last one would be high altitude nuclear EMP attack. And I mean if anybody doesn’t think we’re not racing towards World War iii then you know, I’ve got oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. I mean there’s all these factors and it’s easy to dismiss just one of them, say oh, physical attacks, that’s not a real threat. Well we’ve just let in a whole bunch of foreign nationals the last four years. A lot of them, a lot of military age men that you scratch your head at and you go, these might be guys that may receive marching orders in the, in the future to physically attack our grid and they can’t bring it down with phys attack.

The cyber threat, I mean that is just growing year after year after year. And on the cyber side of it there’s issues with SK equipment in the grid. So the grid was not built how the grid, the grid security, cyber functions is they try and keep them, they built a wall with cyber security and as long as you’re outside of that wall you’re good. But if you get inside, if you get somebody’s passcode, somebody important and get into the system, there’s no cyber security on the actual SCADA EQU that, that controls a lot of this stuff.

You can blow stuff up if you get inside, right? So the cybersecurity side of it is growing, that threat’s growing. We have AI, we probably won’t get into it, but there’s some new stuff with AI and quantum computing that’s coming out. That’s a big security issue. I mentioned the solar flares and solar maximum, the EMP threat. Everybody’s really focusing on Russia and they’re, they’re, they’re focusing on, you know, nuclear war with Russia right now. I do not believe, I mean, other than tactical nukes, if, if there is going to be a nuclear war, it is going to be an EMP nuclear weapon.

They, they, they may have better hypersonic weapons and they may have the ability to strike us first, right? Nobody wants all out nuclear war, mutually assured destruction. They bomb us, they blow up, you know, a dozen of our cities, we blow up a dozen. It just nobody wins. And here’s the point is China wants to win. They want to be the top dog on the world stage. Russia wants to win, they want to be, the US wants to win. Nobody wants to be the winners. And the lord of, you know, an ash heap, right? So the point is, is with the EMP attack, you can win a war on day one.

You take out a country’s ability to, to feed itself, to communicate, banking, interstate trucking, no water, no sewer, nothing, nothing functions. It’s a continental time machine. If they destroy our electric grid, because all 16 of our critical infrastructures rely on that, we haven’t got how that affect the populace. But basically they break our country. And the DOD’s already told Congress 25 years ago that if the civilian electric grid comes down the military bases, 99% of their power comes from the civilian electric grid. They, they run out of power in two days. They back up diesel, they run out of power in two days, they run out of food in four days, okay, they will not be able to respond.

We can’t fight a war. So the future of warfare is combined arms warfare with cyber attacks and nuclear emp, which is actually considered cyber warfare by most countries in their war doctrine, not nuclear warfare because you don’t actually blow anything up. The nuclear EMP is detonated 300km up in the air. You might get a flash, but there’s no radiation. You know, there’s no immediate death other than the, the mass casualty event. And so the last point, how it affect the people, it would be 90% of the population would be dead within the first year. Again, societal collapse, complete collapse, cholera, dysentery, Diseases, no fresh water, no septic, no heat, no AC.

The big one is no food. And I have 122 page white paper I did for the military called Grid Down Death of a Nation, the Psychology and Physiology of Human Desperation and Starvation. That’s free on my web website. It’s gridnowconsulting.com the research tab. And they might be able to get through you. I know you’ve showed it here before, but I recommend everybody download that, read that it’s free, doesn’t cost you a dime and understand how this type of scenario would affect you personally and how it affect your family and make the appropriate plans to, to respond to that type of event.

I like what you said about the cyber security component of this in that while there are air gap systems, meaning that there are, you know, some protocols in place to prevent outsiders from having access to this information, there’s nothing to stop a spy or you know, somebody who was on the Russian or the Chinese payroll or something to that effect. Which would be, which we should expect is happening right now to become an electrician and work for one of these companies and you know, embed themselves within the industry. Because this is not like a high security industry, I presume.

Is it like, is the, can anybody just go and get a job working on, you know, in a nuclear power plant or in one of these aspects of the power grid? Or is there like a vetting process that goes beyond the usual. Here we call it bondability in Canada where you get a background check. But is there anything beyond that that typically goes into these jobs? Is the grid. I guess what I’m trying to ask is, is this viewed as a national security issue by the electrical companies themselves? See, that’s the problem is that the, the electric utilities say that’s a national security problem, that’s the government’s job to fix it.

And the government says that’s an electric grid problem, that’s your job to fix it. Right. So it’s a, it’s a which came first chicken or the egg type dance that we’ve been doing for 25 years. But yes, it is 100 is a national security issue. As far as hiring practices. I don’t know every independent electric grids or electric utilities hiring practices. If you want to work for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the NRC or work at a nuclear power facility. Yeah, absolutely. There’s going to be, obviously you’re going to have to go through security protocols depending on what your job is.

The utilities may be at some certain level of engineer. There might be some security protocols. I am not aware that there are any security protocols. But here’s Part of the problem is we talked in the past. I’ll just reiterate briefly. Part of the problem is in the US Here we have two organizations called NERC and ferc. I know it sounds like a Sesame street skit, but NERC is a North American Energy Reliability Corporation. FERC is a Federal Energy regulatory commission. So FERCs think feds, NERC think industry. Okay, so NERC is their overarching, their self regulatory arm of their industry that sets their standards.

Right. And writes their protocols. FERC is supposed to be a federal agency, an unbiased, supposedly agency overseeing nerc. The big problem is the electric utility industry is the only industry in the United States that has no federal oversight, legislative, you know, authority. So FERC can’t make NERC do anything. They tell NERC all the time, hey, there’s securities here and they can take it or leave it. Right. And you’ve got a whole bunch of companies that make up nerc. Right. And not all of them follow it. Each company writes their own critical infrastructure infrastructure protection centers, SIP standards.

They write their own security standards. And here’s the crazy thing, they enforce their own security standards that they wrote. And if they break one of their cyber or their physical security standards, they’re required to turn themselves in to their own industry, to nerc. And then NERC sets the fine, and then they pay that fine into their own lobbying coffers, into right back into their own industry. Now, the electric utilities have spent over 1 billion, that’s a B billion dollars in the last 10 years lobbying in Washington D.C. only pharmaceuticals have them beat in D.C. so they spend more money than big oil or any other industry because they’re unregulated, because they can kind of do whatever they want and they want to keep it that way.

And I kind of understand it from a capitalistic perspective, but at the same time that every critical infrastructure relies on that one industry. If, if that’s the case, you know, yeah, there should be a lot better security standards. The, the, the government should have some say into those security standards and what you’re doing to the level, you’re hardening things, your cybersecurity standards, but they really don’t. And that’s the really unfortunate thing with the US here and where we’re headed. But on the cybersecurity side of it, you’re right. I don’t even think. You don’t even have to.

It’s not like cloak and dagger, MI6 anymore. Like mission Impossible movies where you have to come down through the rafters and plug a USB port in the computer. The hackers are already in our system. That’s another big issue. The. The going back to 2014. Admiral Rogers, who was head of U.S. cyber Command, you go to C SPAN and watch his interview with Congress. They were in our system 10 years ago, and he said that’s the one thing that kept them up at night is cyber security of the electric grid. And he said they have the. He told Congress they have the ability to press a button and flip a switch on us anytime they want.

Talking Russia and China, possibly Iran as well. They’re the fourth largest cyber army in the world, so they have the ability to shut us off. The problem the thing is, is we buy all their stuff, right? So. And we’re in their systems too. You know, it’s a. They don’t want us to shut their stuff off. So there’s all this, what’s called gray zone warfare stuff happening. To quote, you know, Colonel Stockenberg, there’s gray zone warfare that’s happening all the time, day in, day out. And we’re always on the edge of war. We’re always on the edge of war.

And a lot of the American people, the Canadian people, don’t. Don’t realize that it’s just a matter of time. We’re kind of watching the Axis and allied powers, you know, coming together at this point in time. All this stuff that’s happening, Syria and Israel, and you got. All these countries are involved. Russia, you know, Ukraine, you got China probably going out to Taiwan here pretty soon. There’s just all these things that are happening, and a lot of times it’s a. It’s a blip on the media radar, and it’s like, oh, that thing and then that thing.

But not a lot of people are tying the pieces together and really seeing the. The mushroom cloud that’s on the horizon. Pun intended. Absolutely. So is it the same in China and Russia in terms of the nationalization of their utility services? I presume that they’re more in control of the systems there and perhaps do take this national security risk more seriously than we do over here. Yeah. 100. They’re China. China has, quote, unquote, private companies, but in their legal system, there is no such. If the government comes into your private company, and once you do xyz, you do xyz, so their electric utilities are run by the government, by the CCP for 100%, they’re going back, I think it was eight years.

Don’t quote me on that. China really started ramping up. There were news articles from there, there were leaks from there. They really started ramping up their, their hardening of their electric grid. They’ve got a modern electrical system similar to us, and at least in their big cities. And there was an article probably about a year ago, I released a newsletter sometime within the last year. They’ve, they’re cranking. So if they’re not done already, they’re probably getting. They’re on their way to having their grid mostly hard. You can’t harden every aspect of electrical grid. When you say harden the grid, you’re talking about they’re preparing their grid for a war scenario.

They’re preparing their grid to get hit by an EMP from us, okay? They’re preparing their grid for combined arms warfare, cyber nuclear emp. World War III will be fought in the electromagnetic spectrum. It will be fought with this type of weaponry. And then Russia, their electric grid, I mean, our electric grid’s old, but theirs is really old. They still have, like, you know, vacuum tubes and like, really old tech running their stuff. So their stuff is largely hardened already just by nature of it being old. And they haven’t hooked up. That’s part of the issue with the US Is the smart grid with this big push for climate change.

And again, I’m not talking politically whether you like that stuff or not. That’s not the point. The point is, is in order to do that, I was just looking at a new article about AI grid initiatives. And, and, and it’s almost like we’re building Skynet from Terminator. But, you know, they’re, they’re combining all this stuff and we’re pulling power from here to there, and we’re storing it there. And peak efficiency 24 7, shutting down cool power plants, building solar farms, all this stuff, smart homes, smart meters, all this stuff does make the grid function better. But every single thing you do like that makes it way more vulnerable, makes it way more susceptible to these types of things.

So we’re talking about when something happens and it gets broken, whether through cyber EMP or even a solar flare, the, the chances of fixing it. When you’ve got microprocessors, billions of them, throughout your grid, trying to figure out which ones, you know, you’re not fixing that. Whereas in, in Russia, you know, you walk over like, oh, the thing switched and you pull the lever and it turns back on, right? So it’s, it’s a completely different way of doing things. I’M not advocating, advocating for one or the other, but it’s just the nature of the beast. The more you focus on renewable energies and, and the AI and smart grid technology, it just makes it more and more difficult to harden that stuff, which is one of the reasons.

So I want to give, I’m not going to give credit where credit’s due, but the electric utilities, I mean it’s getting more and more difficult for them to harden the grid, right? When they look at this, they’re like, man, that’s a massive problem. We ain’t paying for this and we’re not passing on the consumers. That’s the government’s job to pay for this, to fix this. Right? But every time the government said, hey, we’ll pay for this, we’ll fix this, they’re like, no, no, no, no, we don’t want you involved. So it’s, it’s problematic. The problem is, is the politics of this are kind of crazy.

Some of the background stuff and it just doesn’t make the media. People don’t know that tomorrow your lights could go off and your faucet stopped working and it’s never coming back. It’s never coming back. They just don’t even know that that’s a possibility. And so what is China doing exactly to harden their grid? And is the Pentagon. There’s got to be somebody looking at this and saying, I wonder why they’re harding their grid for nuclear war. Maybe we should do the same. Or is that you guys? Okay, so yes and no. So there are, maybe we’ll start with what are, what are they doing specifically? I, I again we’re a non partisan organization.

I have a hard time keeping my personal opinions out of check. But the Pentagon’s a problem. Okay. The woke military, the, the direction our military and their generals have gone, they’re, they’re all about doing certain initiatives and less of it is concerned about, you know, hardening the military. Okay, so there are some, there’s, there’s certain documents at the Pentagon which are very problematic for our cause that basically undermine the things we’re trying to do. However, there are certain pockets within the military that are paying attention, that are making moves, that are having conferences that are looking at this.

There are initiatives where they’re looking at. There’s Joint Base San Antonio right now. It’s a public private partnership with Joint Base San Antonio and the city of San Antonio and the electric utility in that area looking at hardening things and they’re testing a lot of these new technologies. Okay, but from my perspective, again, this is me personally, we talked about getting stuff done in four years. The military, the bases that are really focusing on getting backup systems, hardened backup systems. Their bases are like down near the, in Florida and like power got knocked out because of a hurricane.

They’re like, oh, we can’t have this happen so we need to put a hardened system. And like the problem is, is they keep picking these big bases that are surrounded by big cities, right? So you got a military base, you got 3 million people around that base. The problem in that scenario is if any of these events happen and right a week, two weeks into this thing when the people start starving and you know, Florida’s Florida, there’s a lot of guns. There’s more guns in Florida than there are people. And you got 2 million well armed people that are ticked off.

And you’ve got lights on your base, you’ve got planes landing, giving you food. Do you see what I’m saying? You see where this is headed? It’s not going to go good for those 10,000 troops on that base when there’s 3 million starving, desperate people surrounding them. My personal opinion is, is a lot of the stuff that they’re looking to do small modular reactor, small like nuclear reactors, like batteries, 5 to 10 megawatts, up to 300 megawatts. I’ve been doing, working on a report. I haven’t had a chance to finish it, but looking at rural military bases like Grand Forks.

The Grand Forks, I’ll just throw that out. It’s a, it’s a base up in South Dakota there. It’s about 10, 15 miles out of the town of Grand Forks, which is only 30 or 40, 000 people. But other than that, it’s very rural. There’s a lot of massive grain bins out there that you could protect and help use that to feed people in the future. There’s train systems that connect. I, you know, I’m looking at this, but if you had a small module reactor, Grand Forks, you could, you could power the city next to it too.

Grand Fork City. So they need to be looking at these type of bases first. The problem is, is they’re, you know, they don’t have all the whiz bang latest tech stuff on those older bases and they’re wanting to do all this stuff on the new bases. My philosophy is next four years, let’s get some fallback stuff because here’s the problem. If it doesn’t get done in the next four years, I’m concerned that it won’t get done. Right. And that something bad will happen six years from now, seven years from now, before we get a chance, 10, 15 years down the road to actually fix all this stuff.

If we can’t make hay while the sun shines now and first is if an EMP happened tomorrow. There is so the American people know there is zero plan of action at fema. Not one page of information on how to deal with a long term electric grid. They don’t even look at it. Well, look what happened in, what was it? North Carolina? North Carolina, yeah. Yeah. I mean that was, that was one small region of the map. I mean, could you imagine? And they knew it was coming and they mustered whatever forces they could. Right. And they still couldn’t.

And they have planes operating, there’s telephones, email systems are working. They can send banking money back and forth. They can do all this stuff after an emp. There’s no banks, there’s no interstate trucking. You’re not moving stuff around. Excuse me. So there’s a lot of this other stuff to look at. There’s no plan at the government, there’s zero plan at the military. I was part of the electromagnetic defense task force here five years ago. That was brought in, you know, as an outsider, as a joint services thing at looking at a three day war gaming event on emp.

There’s no plan. No, they’ve got no plan to deal with any of this stuff. And so people think that someone’s paying attention, as you mentioned, like is it somebody at the Pentagon looking at this? And it’s kind of like, no, I mean they’re, they’re looking at DEI initiatives or this or that or they’ve got other things that they’re focusing on and this isn’t one of them. And that’s a very frustrating thing for us because we’re like, none of this other stuff that you’re doing matters if you can’t feed people and if you can’t give them fresh water and heat and air conditioning in their house.

And so what exactly then is China doing? Like specifically? Do we know anything about the specifics of what they’re doing? I’m sure depending on we, Nate, you and I are going to find that information. I’m sure there’s somebody somewhere that’s looking into what they’re doing. But yeah, because it’s their government doing it. It. I’m sure they’re doing it through their military branch. They’re hardening. We’re not, we’re not going to find out. I don’t know what they’re doing. But I just know there are reports where they are talking seriously. They are actively hardening their grid. They’ve been doing it for eight or nine years.

Like in general, like how do we prevent, how do we prevent an EMP from frying the grid? Okay. The very first step in that process and one of the things we’re hoping to get done four years also is hardening our high voltage transformers. High voltage transformers are the step up and step down transformers coming out of big power plants, long line transmission lines, sending power from across states. They’re 400 ton behemoths. We have about 3,000 of 3,000 of them in the US today we only replace about 12 of them. And those come from South Korea and Germany, now China which we can circle back to here in a minute.

But those 400 ton behemoths, they take about 36 months. They’re currently. It’s about 36 months to get one to the short to the port. So if you through an EMP solar flare cyber, if you’re able to melt down those transformers and destroy those transformers, you’re not getting the first one for 36 months. Right. So the first step, because that’s it’s actually considered America’s Achilles heel by the, that the congressional EMP commission harden the high voltage transformers. From there certain power generation facilities, there’s a lot of big water like dams. Right? Dams. A lot of they were built 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.

There’s still a lot of those, you know levers and wheels and knobs, they hook computers to it. But it wouldn’t take much to kind of get back to that keep those old safety systems in play. Right. So power generation hardening and then downstream from that you need to make sure certain connections stay functioning to military bases for instance to, to critical areas that you need to have power. Norad well Cheyenne Mountains Independent but so yeah so it’s. And so at the actually substations, so the high voltage transformers there’s companies that are making like the, there’s skate equipment and data centers and data equipment that’s hooked up to these high voltage transform.

There’s companies that are building EMP hardened RF cages to keep all this equipment in, you know, at the facility. And it’s been tested, it’s in play in certain states, in certain areas. I can’t remember the utility. I think it’s in Colorado. Could be wrong. Don’t quote me on that. That actually has put some of this stuff in play. So it’s a multi Layered thing. What you, When I say hard and electric, it, what I don’t mean is that we’re hit with a nuclear MP and they’re going to flip a couple switches and, you know, tomorrow we’re turning the lights back on.

It. We’re still talking probably a week, weeks. It’s going to come on in little places here and there. Because everything downstream, all your, your, your stoves probably for. There’s microchips and everything. There’s stoves, there’s microchips in your toaster, right? There’s stuff that’s going to be fried everywhere. There’s millions of small transformers on the power poles are going to be fried. There’s, there’s, there’s a, it’s, we’re talking an enormous rebuilding process that could take years. It would be disastrous. People are going to die. Don’t get me, don’t get me wrong here. There’s. People are starved to be very ugly.

But we will rebuild. If you don’t think, if you don’t harden any of this big infrastructure, like I said, it takes three years to even get 12 of them a year on our shores. If we don’t fix at least this stuff, there’s no, there’s no coming back. We’re not coming back from it. So that’s the thing is, is looking at this organically. What are the most critical phases of the grid? If we can get a lot of that stuff started in four years. But the previous administration that came in after Trump, like for instance, Trump was going to build his border wall, right? This is a political statement wherever you fall on that.

But the point was, is he had a lot of it paid for. And I forget, I don’t want to quote dollar numbers, but there was a whole lot of fencing material that had been delivered that was sitting out all along the border ready to be installed. The next administration comes in and says, we’re not doing that two years later. I remember reading a news report here a couple years ago that they literally, I forget, it was hundreds of millions, I believe, of fencing that was already at the border. The next administration came in and sold it for scrap metal, pennies on the dollars, just to prevent it from happening in the future.

Right? So this is the kind of stuff the American politics do. Both sides of the aisle don’t get it strange, you know, so whatever we start, we need to make sure we get it legislatively, try and get it so it continues to move forward. Well, that’s one of the benefits of having what we term authoritarian regimes. Where there’s one person in power indefinitely, you have the ability to make those long term decisions. Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping and, and the Ayatollah, they can all make, they can all think ten years from now. And that’s an advantage they have.

It absolutely is. As far as security, you know, you get better security with that type of government, but there’s drawbacks to it as well. I always say, you know, they’re, they’re more prepared for shtf, but typically the, the quality of life when times are good is not as good. Right now with respect to this Chinese transformer thing we’re hearing now that the Chinese have banned, I think it is, what are the rare earth metals. So we can see that a trade war is likely on the horizon. A tariff war is on the horizon that is going to increase the level of vulnerabilities with this particular situation.

I mean, if we think it’s bad now, imagine if we are at war with China, okay, it’s one thing to take 36 months, it’s another thing for that not to be an option at all. So how do you think, and this is going to be a little bit of speculation here, but how do you figure that this upcoming trade war with China is going to further complicate the United States and North America and I guess just the west in general’s hardening of their grids? The Chinese have been infiltrating our universities and our tech for a very long time, to the point where it’s kind of laughable how easily they can get embedded at certain tech places, how easily they steal some of our best technology just over the last 20 years.

So China is not our friend as far as the trade war that’s coming. I regularly say we live in what I call a post truth world. It’s hard to know what to believe and what not to believe. Everything you online, somebody’s coming at it from a perspective or a narrative. Fox News, msnbc, BBC, don’t matter where you get your news from, somebody’s at the top there and they’re coming at it from an angle. So it’s kind of almost funny when you start listening to one side talk about how amazing this trade war is going to be for the US and then you hear the other side say how disaster, it’s going to ruin everything.

Right? So it’s really hard to decipher that. I’m not an economics guy, but as far as how it affects, affects the actual grid security itself. My God, my golly man. The Chinese have entered the fray with their Chinese transformers about eight or nine years ago. JSHP is one of the world’s largest high voltage transformer companies in China and they sell transformers all around the world and they entered the US market. Previously we got all of our high voltage transformers as critical infrastructure from Germany and South Korea. Like I mentioned, they enter through California, they start a company, JSHP there as well.

And the utilities start buying transformers from because they’re selling them at a significant discount. Okay, we’re not even sure if they’re making money at this point, but they’re getting their transformers put all around the US to the point where a, a fair sized chunk of New York City and Las Vegas at this point point, electricity flows through transformers from this company. Back when Trump was in office, I believe it was 2019, I, I have to careful what details I give here, but let’s just say somebody somewhere looked at one of these transformers, was like, this ain’t right.

This thing ain’t supposed to be on here. You know, this ain’t right. And so the next transformer that came from that company was confiscated at port by Sandia national and by the government sent to Sandia National Laboratory and they dissected that thing and they found the ability to basically shut it off and destroy it remotely from China at a moment’s notice. Okay. So now all of a sudden you know, hey, it may not be a good idea to keep installing transformers from this company in the U.S. so Trump signed executive order, said absolutely not working. There’s no more transformers from China that are going to be installed and critical in, in the US as he, it affected some of the other critical infrastructure and some of the parts, some of the tech we bought from China as well.

Biden’s first day in office, he got rid of all the, he got rid of that one as well. So the same company that we know are built, that are building back doors and there’s other stuff there too. They’re, they’re doing other stuff with these transfers transformers. They’re like going gangbusters. They’re selling like hotcakes in the US and the utilities are installing them all around the US So it’s really frustrating. There’s a guy named Michael maybe who ran grid security now.org don’t go there because the website’s down at this point. He was kind of the tip of the, I mean he was on 60 Minutes here last year.

He had been doing FOIA requests for bills of laden on these transformers. He had been tracking them. I think he Got up to like 441 of them large transformers that he had found. And so he did this FERC filing, Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. So he did this filing with all his data saying, hey, look at this. This is a big problem. These Chinese transformers that. It is on record that they’re building back doors, these transformers, and we’re putting them in everywhere. And so the politicians got involved. They went to the utilities and was like, you know, what the heck? And so the utilities, I’ve been tracking this.

Every time NERC comes up to cease or the Congress and they’re, they’re sitting in front of Congress, there’s always some centers again, both sides of the aisle that are hitting them like, okay, so you’re supposed to be looking into these Chinese transformers that are all around the US and every time it’s the same lip service. Yes, sir. Yes, ma’am. We’re very concerned with that. We’re looking into it. It’s been like two or three years now. They keep looking into this problem. I think it’s the fact that they caught their hand, they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

And it’s. Remember how long I said it takes to replace high voltage transformers? The idea of taking. And not all these were hv, Some of them were just large transformers, but it would take years to replace them. And they’d rather, and this is what we see with utilities. They’d rather put their head in the sand, pretend the problem ain’t that there, and just hope it goes away and nobody’s going to ask questions. Instead of trying to figure out, oh my goodness, how do we get all this stuff out of the system and replace it with American made stuff or stuff made in Germany or something.

So it’s really problematic. Last point on that is that FERC filing. After a year of sitting there, they finally denied it. So the feds denied more information to Michael May. They denied the fact that there’s a problem there, even though it’s footnoted, it’s hyper, it’s hyperlinked, it’s, it’s a long report proving what’s going on in the, in the grid. And they just, they don’t want to face it. So unfortunately, Michael, maybe like everybody else, he, he’d spent a good chunk of his wife’s grocery money. More than that, he spent a lot of money over the years fighting legal fees, foil requests.

He finally said, I can’t do this anymore. You know what I mean? And so he packed up and we got a lot of his documentation at a couple other organizations. So. So it didn’t go to Not. But here’s where we’re at, Nate. We need people to help in this fight. We need people that are willing to. That have experience filing for requests. We. We could use some legal guys to help us, you know, sift through this mess. If you’re a media guy that’s watching this, that wants a pretty cool story to talk about how the Chinese are infiltrating, we got a lot more data we can share with you on this.

We need people in marketing. And if. If you go to EMP task force us. Secure the grid. Secure the grid dot org. Join the fight. If you could financially help. These are 501C3s. You can donate, but if you got time and you got some kind of area of expertise, you think you can help us out, shoot us an email, tell us what you can do, tell us how much time you have, and we’ll put you to work. Because right now, this is David and Goliath. The utilities have unlimited resources and power. Every u. Every single politician, both sides, sides of the L take money from the electric utilities.

And so we’re just. It’s an uphill fight. We could use help and, you know, reach out to us, get in the fight and help us, you know, get the grid hardened. Yeah, I’ll definitely post those links in the description. I’m actually surprised they ever took an initial look at it in the first place. Like, I’m surprised that they. The one transformer there where you. You said that they discovered all these back doors. What was it that compelled them to do that investigation and why is that no longer a thing? So it’s like highly classified. We only know.

We only know certain things that came out. We know the. I have to pull it up. I can’t remember their specific names spilling what’s the murder reports but previous national security advisor came out on record saying that there were backdoors built into these. I believe it was a Washington. There’s if you. You can look at Chinese transformer. Washington Times reporter trying to think of her name. She’s done multiple investigative journalists things on these a couple years ago. But the point is, is like the media, it’s a big story. It’s like, holy cow, this is problematic. This is a bad thing that’s happening.

We should probably look into this and we should probably stop doing this. We stopped doing it and then we start doing it again. The problem is, is the. The media is not coming back out and recovering it. Do you see what I mean, like, it’s still a problem. The problem didn’t go away. It’s just we’re 35, 50 news cycles down the list and nobody’s thinking about that problem anymore. But we are, we’re like, this isn’t, this is the height of insanity, that a company that’s owned, that’s owned lock, stock and barrel by the Chinese government is building transformers that we know they’re building backdoors and, and other stuff.

And we know that same company is operating out of China, out of California. And we’re letting, we’re literally letting them do it in the name of the almighty dollar. It’s just the height of insanity. It’s an incredibly disadvantageous position when the Chinese have a hardened grid and the ones building are completely non hardened, vulnerable. Yes. You know, it’s like as, as unbalanced as it could possibly be. So you have these 441 transformers. That’s the ones we know about. And that was that. And that reports over a year old. So I’m sure there’s a lot more because it kept increasing.

They kept putting more and more and more every year. We don’t know the last year because Michael maybe’s not around to do the FOIA requests and do the investigative journalism to define this stuff. And we, you know, we’ve only got so many people to work on this stuff. You know, I’d like to be optimistic about this, but unfortunately, I think until something happens, I mean the government, for them to. Unless you get somebody in a position of power, a senator, maybe one of Trump’s cabinet, maybe Mike Waltz will be the guy in order to start bringing awareness to this particular topic.

I don’t see anything happening. I think something has to happen first before there to be any movement. Yeah, I want to knock on wood and I, I pray to God it doesn’t. But it, it may take an event, Nate. It may take an event something bad happening. I do think you’re well positioned to, you know, be a, a potential you guys, as the EMP task force. Obviously, you know, you’ve been there, you’ve been doing the research for years. There’s been some opportunity there where you’ve been able to, to get the government’s ear on these things. But I think if and when that thing does happen, I’m sure they’ll be looking to you for guidance on these issues.

So at least that’s a silver lining for you, I guess. But unfortunately, let’s just hope that the event that does happen is on a manageable Scale. You would almost, you know, be better off if something did happen on a manageable scale before the big event happened, right? Yeah, man, I, I gotta, I gotta be honest with you. The problem is if we don’t get certain people that are aware, like, like waltz, like Hegseth, like some of the proper person at the head of Siza, if we don’t get the certain people and at least one from our.

From that’s really knowledgeable, what happens is, is somebody come in and the Trump administration, we’ve, our organizations have met with Trump before. We’ve met with governor of Florida. Anyways, the fantasy. Yeah, sorry. Wow. Brain malfunction. We’ve met with these, we’ve met with all these guys before. They know, but they only know 30, 000 foot. So what they’ll do is they’ll put somebody in charge of like, man, we need somebody to look into this. Trump’s serious about hardening the grid or, you know, grid security. And he wants to finally take this serious and make some headway. And what will happen is that some cabinet person will be like, oh, okay, let’s go.

Let’s talk to the electric utilities and find their best guy. And you’ll get a nerd guy, you’ll get a lawyer from one of the utilities in that position that’s got the right connections. That’s what keeps happening. That. So Trump had executive orders at DHS come up with a plan. He gave them 12 months, I believe, to come up with a plan. And so basically it took them 18 months. And it came back, it was four pages long and essentially a paraphrase it says, says we need to do more studies, we need to look into this, where this is serious, but we need to consider.

And we, it’s just like we’ve been. We know what we need to do. There’s, there’s organizations, there’s industry that they know how to harden this, this stuff. They’re just not doing it and they’re kicking the can down the road and that’s what keep happening. So the problem is, is the deep state, man. I’m not talking about weird, but I’m saying there’s electric grid insiders at the Department of Energy in the Pentagon, they, they have their own fake science that they put forth. If you don’t get the right guy at the head of the snake to bring people in, the right people in organizations like ours, organizations secure the good coalition, resilient societies.

Dr. Radaski from Meditech. I mean, there’s brilliant minds that were part of the military hardening strategy going back 40 years. But if you, if you don’t get the right people, they’re just going to put more electric utility retirees in there and it’s, the problem’s going to get worse. So we’ve talked a lot about what, you know, we can do to try to encourage governments to take this issue more seriously. What can individuals do? I recently installed a, I think it’s a 25 kilowatt hour or 25 kilowatt system on my property solar system. And it’s got a very elaborate inverter battery system, battery management system, which I presume is probably quite vulnerable.

I mean, with the exception of building a Faraday cage over the entire thing, what can an individual do? Because quite frankly, you know, as a prepper, I’m not holding my breath for the government to fix this problem. Right. So I’m trying to in the very least get prepared myself. And I know you’ve written lots of books about this. This is something that came up in the past. What would you recommend in terms of hardening one’s own power grid? Is there, I know there’s a few devices, I think we might even sell some actually, I haven’t actually looked use them on my own system.

But do you know of any like, is there any considerations? So there is one company called Solar Sol Dash Arc or Ark Arc, I think solarc. They’re the only company I know that has actually had have test data to support their hardened solar system. It’s a, it’s a. Basically think of a Tesla Powerwall, but it’s made by another company and it’s in that, that whole system. Everything’s in one system and that’s hardened. Okay. Then you get it run into issues with BMS and lithium batteries. Everybody’s doing lithium because it’s far better than lead acid or some of the old AGM type type batteries.

But the product, okay, there’s basically microchips inside that battery. That’s a problem. So if you’re looking at lithium like Life Po4, make sure you have an external BMS and have backup bmss in a Faraday cage that you can swap that system out. I’m not going to say them by name. There are certain civilian companies out there that, that say if you plug this thing in here or there, it’s going to protect you against empty. Be very leery about some of these companies. I’m not going to say them by name. Okay. But just be careful what you’re buying, what you’re Buying into, let’s put it that way.

I think the most important thing that people can do, everybody says the, the sky’s falling, the end of the world is nigh and I need to run out and buy a bunch of stuff and shove it in my basement. Right. I think the first thing you need to do is understand what’s coming first. I talked about that free report on my website again. Download that, read that, understand what this world looks like. That’s the key thing is you have to understand the battlefield, the battlefield you’re planning for. And a lot of people don’t understand the effects of psychology.

I’m sorry, the effects of starvation and human desperation has on the human psyche and how people are going to react to these scenarios. So you ask for recommendations. That’s difficult. I mean that’s my business. But it’s difficult because the advice I’m going to give somebody that lives in the suburbs of downtown Atlanta and the person that lives on the side of a mountain in Idaho are going to be radically different. My recommendations to these two different people. Right. And so it depends on your financial abilities. How big is your group? I mean are you trying to bring everybody in the you know, brother sisters, cousins and you got 40 people you’re trying to prepare for.

That’s difficult. The average human eats 2, 000 pounds of food a year. That’s a metric ton. So if you’re you know, trying to make a preparations for 20 or 30 people, you may need 30 metric tons of food stuffed away somewhere. Now if you’d stuff that 30 metric tons of food in your basement and some, you know, in downtown Toronto, okay, people are gonna figure out real quicker. They’re gonna figure out at some point that you’re only person not getting skinny me. You’re the only person not freaking out. There’s, there’s food smells coming out your window in the summertime.

So be smart about which come up with a good plan first is my point before you start throwing money at it. I work with a really, a lot of really high net worth families and groups and even companies plan B fallback plans for, for different organizations and people. And I, it’s, I much prefer to come in early in the system when they’re like oh my goodness, I’m concerned about this. This help me buy 3,000 acres and build a system. I’m like oh can’t wait. A lot of times people fly me in and, and they were like oh, I did this 10 years ago during Y2K or 20 years ago or whatever.

And I, you come in, you’re like, you know what I mean? Like, it’s harder to make, fix things after the fact because they didn’t have the proper mindset, they didn’t understand. And what I’m saying is like, maybe they had this, you know, I’ve had clients that have spent multiple millions of dollars on bunker systems and all kinds of things. And you know, their, their house is visible from, you know, a two lane highway between two towns. And I’m like, you know, you know what I mean? Like, if you would have only bought a property two blocks back, you would have been good.

And this is why I’d encourage people to go and watch our other talk about the security considerations because this is a much, you know, broader issue and I would encourage people for the next four years. I always say, you know, you want to buy low and sell high. And the same thing is with prepping. You don’t want to start prepping when everybody’s panicking. And that’s kind of the situation for the last four years. If there is a brief reprieve from global hostilities, know that that’s certainly not the end. And you should seize on that opportunity to, you know, have people like yourself who perhaps have a greater availability.

I’m not saying you will. I, I quite frankly don’t think you will. But you know, if you did and if the prices were a little lower, you know, seize on that opportunity. This is the time to do those big projects. Consider this an opportunity to, you know, we got a little bit more time, we’ve bought a little bit more time. Maybe, maybe, you know, maybe it’s going to be the complete opposite. It’s going to go in complete other direction. I’m not really, I mean we’re still. It feels like January 20th. Every day is like a week, you know, depending on the, you know, what’s in the news cycle that day.

So I would just encourage people to really seize on this opportunity. Go and check out Jonathan’s website if you want to book a consult. What’s your schedule looking like nowadays? I, I have a lot of projects I’m working on, you know, so I, I really limited myself to how many people I work with just because I’m just one guy and I’ve got, got, you know, I volunteer time at the task force. I’ve got books, I’ve got other irons and other fires I’m trying to. And I homestead, I hope our family home, schools. I got kids, so I am busy.

But I, I do, I, I am let’s just say my schedule is freeing up here at the end of the month because a lot of people are just. I’m finishing the big projects that I was working on and there’s. I haven’t been. Not a lot of people reaching out the last month and a half have. Well, all right. Well, when. When Elon. When Elon calls me, he calls me every other day. And so when he calls me next time, I’ll let him know that, you know, you can help him out. Yeah, put a bug in his ear for me.

Just kidding. All right, I’ll do my best to send some people your way, Jonathan. And guys, go and check that out. Thanks a lot for coming out, man. And I’m gonna post a link to your YouTube channel that I know you haven’t been actively uploading recently, but I’m hoping that you’ll do so more frequently because people would definitely like to hear your perspective on these things and any sort of news updates you have with the MT task force, I think that’d be great. And if people want to help out, those are the links. Go check them out and perhaps, you know, make a contribution.

Thank you so much, Nate, for having me on again, man. I really appreciate it. You and, and your last advice was really, really important. Don’t wait to the last minute. If you wait to the last minute, everybody’s trying to do the same thing. So don’t go and cash for kids college funding either. You know what I mean? Like be sane, my company models. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and let God do the rest. Right? So, you know, take this one step at a time. Practical steps, be wise and you know, don’t. Don’t let fear operate your preparedness either.

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