Tom Fitten for years. I would like to say we fought side by side and I made a great film about Tom Fitten and his efforts back during the Obama years. But Tom, nobody really fought your side because you were ahead of all of us running the People’s Justice Department. I’m kind of shocked when I get back at literally 5 a.m. to do the show from LA having driven all night and I find that Tom Fitten is suing President Trump’s Justice Department and his Attorney General. Why would Tom Fitten do that? This is what you did for 8 years against Eric Holder.

Why are you doing this? What has caused you to do this now, sir? Well, we sued under the FOIA for the Epstein records. They were supposed to be released. There was a great controversy in the process of the release initially by Pam Bondi’s team and we’re like, what’s going on here? Where are the records? What records generally are out there? What are being withheld? Where are you looking? What happened with this initial release? Was there obstruction? Who did it? And that’s what we do. I dare to say we sued the Trump administration pretty much more than anyone else first time around and we’ll sue the Trump administration a lot this time around really to get to the truth about the corruption that must be overcome by President Trump.

But hang on. You sued the Trump administration the first time because let’s be honest, we didn’t have this unitary theory, the executive, the stepping into his article two powers that he is the chief magistrate and the chief law enforcement officer. This whole Watergate, all this Watergate nonsense is broken. You sued it because the deep state ran the Justice Department and Jeff Sessions, as good a man as he was, was just not up to the task to take it on. And the people that Jeff put in there and others put in there were worse than some of the Obama guys.

I mean, the Justice Department in the first term worked against President Trump and that’s why you were suing him every day. I thought we solved that problem. I thought the four years that we took to do Stephen Miller’s America First Law, Russ Vogt’s Center for Renewing America, you got Peletta and Jeff Clark over there, Brooke Rollins’s America First Policy Institute, the Project 2025, I thought the top and the top priority for President Trump, and excuse me if I’m wrong, Tom Fenton, was we got to clean out the rat’s nest that is the Justice Department because that’s the kind of the linchpin with the CIA of how the deep state works.

So what’s happened here, brother? You know, at best, you’ve got a group of individuals at the top level and they fired some people, but not nearly enough. And there’s going to have to be pressure from the outside to get them to focus on why they were put in power to begin with by President Trump and then obviously the election initially of President Trump. And there are a lot of things going on in the Justice Department. And maybe I’m being too charitable, Steve, but this lawsuit will help them focus on what needs to be done.

And there are many, you know, we have 190 lawsuits on FOIA, more or less more. I think it’s, yeah, it’s almost 190. And we got to get answers. We can’t wait. You know, there’s a significant public interest in the Epstein matter. To me, it’s kind of an indicia of whether the Justice Department is serious about this. And frankly, we want obviously the client list. I want to know the circumstances of his death too. But we didn’t just say, give us the client list. We said, give us records about Epstein. And we also want records to get in the way of the release of the Epstein records just two months ago.

Yes, when they put out the other thing that people had seen before. On the antitrust side, I mean, Monday, I think it’s the FTC. So President Trump’s antitrust efforts with Gail Slater and the people of justice are going gangbusters. The FTC, FCC, so the deconstruction administrative state and the taking on of this concentrated corporate power is unparalleled how they’re going after it. But your other things besides the investigations on the voter fraud, just everything, you know, you have you have Tulsi Gabbard mentioned something, DNI. The question is on the core investigations of what has to happen.

Walk me through your punch list of what we have to do, because I don’t think people feel anything’s happening there. We need to investigate, prosecute and defang the FBI and the Justice Department. Can they do that internally? As I discussed previously with you, I’m doubtful. Frankly, to me, what the FBI and Justice Department did was they almost destroyed our constitutional republic not 10 years ago, not five years ago, but four months ago, five months ago, it was going on up until and frankly through the election. And there’s got to be accountability and we need to protect ourselves from ever happening that again, that ever happening again.

And I kind of go back to obviously, they’re not the Japanese during the war. But what happened after the war in Japan was the Japanese system, they were completely knocked out on unable to, even if they wanted to do what they did in World War II again. That’s got to be the approach of the FBI and Justice Department. They need to be husks of their former cells in terms of having the ability to jail a former president on a pretext and put his life in danger. And that needs to be the emergency. And what bugs me, Steve, is I’ve had the FBI engage in information operation against me and others who had relatively speaking, at least from my perspective, a mild complaint about a guy who probably shouldn’t be in a senior position in the FBI being put in that position because of his background pushing this J6 fake narrative.

And they spent more time trying to undermine the point I was making there. And I heard pushback from all sorts of ways indirectly from the FBI than I perceive that they’ve done to investigate the issues I’m talking about. I wish they would spend as much energy, at least providing public leadership on these issues. Maybe you do things privately. I don’t know. That’s to me just smoke and mirrors. But how about the public leadership on it? When’s the last time we’ve heard anyone at the leadership of FBI or DOJ say anything about law fair? Tom, you’ve called last week in the show for a special prosecutor to be for the president to set it up in the White House and report directly to the office of the president in the president of the United States.

Do you still stand by that? Are you still calling for that? Yes. And that prosecutor can be staffed by other federal law enforcement outside the FBI. He can use some expertise within the Justice Department, but it should be an all hands on deck approach from federal law enforcement and not the FBI and not the Justice Department because they have to be the subject of these investigations. And there’s this Washington way of saying, of course, we’ll just have a special counsel. No, no, no, no. The president has this prerogative exercised by other presidents to hire and fire prosecutors, and he should use it.

That’s what the Constitution, in my view, he has a positive obligation to get this done. And, you know, and you might like Pam Bondi and she may be doing good work and cash Patel, he may be doing good work on a whole host of issues, but structurally, he needs to put in place something better than the FBI and the Justice Department to address the threat to the Republic. Uh, Tom, I don’t know. Wait for one second. I’m just gonna hold you and then you get this directly. I, I, I, I give you my answer.

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