Most countries, they should view the birth rate as the single biggest problem they need to solve. If you don’t make new humans, there’s no humanity. And all the policies in the world don’t matter. According to alarming statistics, the global birth rate is plummeting. And it’s triggering an unprecedented demographic crisis. Countries around the world are grappling with drastic declines in fertility rates leading to an aging population and a shrinking workforce. This isn’t just a trend. It’s a catastrophic trajectory that threatens societal stability as we know it. Major nations now face the very real possibility of economic collapse as the workforce dwindles.

Yep, mainstream media remains willfully ignorant of this looming disaster. So, who’s behind this demographic crisis? Well, at least in part, globalist elites have contributed inordinately to this crisis propagating anti-natalist agendas under the guise of sustainable development. Or think of how woke leaders promote the narrative that children and families are actually ecological threats and economic burdens. These elites have pushed policies that not only discourage childbirth, but also vilify family-oriented values contributing to this global crisis. They continue to deny any accountability for the ensuing chaos, resorting instead to the narrative that reducing population growth is somehow, somehow a public good.

Shrinking the public is somehow a public good. As the birth rate drops, communities fracture, children become a rare commodity, and the future of nations hangs in the balance, a mess crafted by our so-called leaders. Now, thankfully, we now have mainstream voices like Elon Musk speaking out about this issue and drawing attention to the reality of low birth rates. And we’re also seeing traditional religions surging among the youth, leading to optimism among many leaders for the future of the pro-natalist movement and a vibrant future for our nation. Joining me today is one of the courageous people speaking up about this, Kevin Dolan.

Kevin has been on the front lines advocating for pro-natal mindsets and policies that uplift families and empower our future generations. His work and insights have already transformed countless lives and will soon discover how he envisions a lasting solution to this increasing crisis. Kevin, welcome, my friend. Great to have you here. Thank you so much. Good to be here. It’s an honor to have you, man. So, as someone who’s been on the front lines of the pro-natalist movement as yourself, I’m curious really what you think is behind so much of this. I mean, in your view, what are some of the specific environmental, social changes and the like that are serving as the biggest disruptors for the birth rate? I mean, in general, what do you think is causing this crisis that we’re in now? Well, there’s a huge set of factors that combine.

It definitely has to do with the relationships between men and women, the way that we sort of are struggling to find partners and get married and trust each other and sort of bring a relationship to that point where people feel like they can trust each other enough to do that. It definitely has to do with the economic constraints that so many families are under. It definitely has to do with the fact that we can just sort of choose as a pharmaceutical matter to not have kids in a way that was much more difficult to do before.

It all goes in the suit. It has to do with the sort of panopticon, the fact that young people have grown up in a situation where they’re under constant observation. And so, yeah, there isn’t exactly one thing, which means there’s not a silver bullet either. And so part of why we’re having this conference is to bring lots and lots of perspectives together to look for a holistic solution. Yeah, I’ve been actually listening through a number of the talks from, it was at the 2023 conference, I think it was the last one, which are excellent.

They’re so, so good. The last one I just listened to was Balaji Srinivasan, which was very, very good. And we’re going to be talking about this. We’ll be getting together in Austin in a few weeks, which I’m really excited about. Yeah, I’m curious, the narrative around sustainable development generally frames population growth as a burden on economic and ecological resources and the like. How do you counter that argument and make the case that more children could actually strengthen society and the planet in the long run? Yeah, well, so there was a famous bet that was made with Paul Ehrlich on the subject of his book, The Population Bomb, where another academic sort of presented a bunch of categories of commodities.

And he was like, all right, let’s, in 25 years, we both agree the population will have gone up. Let’s see what happens to the price of these commodities. And all of them went down. One of our attendees, Gail Pooley, is an academic who wrote a book called Super Abundance, which is basically about the fact that the more individuals you have, the more brainpower, the more problem solvers that you have on the ground, we just continually find new ways to get more out of our resources. And so essentially, the population decline actually leads to far less efficient allocation of resources.

I mean, you can see this, there’s a lot going on in a place like Detroit. But one of the biggest picture issues in the city of Detroit is just the total collapse of the tax base, which means that you may be living on a street, you may be taking good care of your house and your yard, but the whole rest of the street is in disrepair. You’re still having to pay all of the infrastructure costs for all the power and the water and sewer and everything. And, you know, that’s in an environment where, you know, the state government, the federal government is more or less solvent.

But like, if you imagine that happening in kind of everywhere all at once, it can be a really dramatic problem. Yeah. And it’s an environmental hazard of itself. Yeah. And also, I love how you say it. Just the more, the larger the brain trust and the more we can figure out how to live harmoniously with our ecology. It is interesting that Elon Musk, who’s done more, an entrepreneur has done more to fulfill that end than anyone else, is also one of the big advocates precisely of pro-natalism in the organization. I’m just curious, have you been able to chat with him at all? I don’t know if you’ve ever been able to meet him, but I know, I think he would love what you’re doing.

Yeah, I hope so. I have not had a personal contact with him, although he did post my speech from NATOCON 2023 in full on X. Nice. And it got something like 25 million views. It was incredible. Yeah, that’s awesome. Yeah, it was incredible. But no, I haven’t met with him personally. Oh, that’s great. Well, there you go. I mean, that’s awesome. That’s such an amazing endorsement. And it was a great speech, too. I’ve heard yours as well. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. You know, I’m curious, again, because you’ve thought about this so much, and that’s why I love interacting with you, and interacting with everyone at the conference.

But one of the things that I noticed when I was researching pro-natalist activities, pro-natalist conferences and the like, and yours is the premier, is how it gets criticized by the media. I don’t know if you heard earlier, or we’re now finding out so much of our press is actually bought and paid for. So so the headlines are already pre-written in many ways. But you get criticized for being this far right, you know, patriarchal, anti-woman organization, you know, and you just get this off-sided criticism of pro-natalist policies that they infringe on personal freedoms. They push women in traditional roles they don’t want.

Yeah. How do you respond to those concerns? And what is what is your pro-natalist vision? Well, so as far as the criticisms, that seems the idea that anybody is going to be forced into anything is completely it’s a total confabulation, because if every woman in America were having the number of children that she says she wants, there would be no fertility problem. It’s entirely like, it is not it is not an issue of like, you know, these these women are napping on the job, they’re not like pulling their weight. People are being they’re having their process of dating and preparing for marriage and getting married and having kids, that process is being disrupted.

And people are not able to obtain what they’re actually clearly looking for. So so the objective of this conference and everything we’re doing is we’re just trying to get everybody what they want. We’re trying to get everybody across the finish line, which is where they’re already trying to go. And to the extent that there’s to the extent that there’s pushback from women, sometimes I think it may be because it seems like it seems not possible or not not trustworthy. Like, they don’t trust the solution. They don’t trust that, like, the people who are pushing these these narratives have their best interests at heart.

And so I feel a huge sense of responsibility to be like, even across like the political divide, like, you know, I’m a conservative, I don’t make any apology for that. But like, there are a lot of people who have sort of a liberal temperament or bent, who are being sort of opted out of this next generation based on this, this differential fertility. And like, a lot of a lot of when I will say that some conservative commentators will be like, well, that’s good, right? Because, you know, we’re gonna we’re gonna outbreed them and we’re gonna win.

I don’t see it that way at all. I think those people that temperament that that bent has so much to offer the world, and I want to see everybody make it. And so, and furthermore, like, even even beyond like, what what I might want, it’s like, you just can’t you can’t pitch people on like, you must have like for the state or for or for or for social security or for or for the housing market like that’s nobody responsible. People, particularly in this very subjective emotional realm of love and companionship and dating, people need to feel like heightened trust and heightened respect and like they need to feel like they are their concerns are validated.

And so a huge part of what we’re doing at the conference is like, we want to bring everybody together. And we want to we want to solve everybody’s challenges here. So yeah, I mean, basically, I think I think the criticism is is just rooted in, you know, they find out that I’m kind of a right wing guy, and I kind of have right wing friends. And so they just assume, right, it’s all the sort of bad names you can be called. But that’s not who we are at all. And I noticed that with the speaker lineup as well, it seems to be in many ways, it’s very pre political.

It’s it’s your book. Yeah, you’re talking about something that’s foundational to society and politics will come out of that. But let’s get that foundation first so that everybody’s invited to this. Yeah. And I love I love. Yeah, please. We tried to invite Paul Ehrlich. We tried to invite the other population bomb guy. He didn’t bite. But yeah, we want everybody. We want everybody. Come tell us that we’re crazy. You know, if that’s if that’s the that’s what you want to say, like, let’s have the argument. Let’s discuss it. Right. Right. Let’s have the discussion. But again, I love what you said, because I did read that I actually I think I even heard it from one of the speakers at a conference that if if if if women were able to have the children they want that they desire.

We like you said, we wouldn’t be in this population crisis. Two point one would be nothing per child would be around three or so. But there’s the there are these environmental social factors that are getting in their way. And and that’s what this conference that seems to me is so much about is really thinking about how we were able to effectively address that. And to have is more open to the discussion. But even that doesn’t quite work because our politics are changing so much. I think this is something I might even bring up at the conference.

We’re not so much a horizontal nation anymore. Left versus right. It’s it’s more vertical. It’s kind of more the the people versus sort of this out of touch political class. It’s kind of ruling for its own gain and affluence and power and so forth. So it seems like we’re we’re having an opportunity to now have conversations in such a way where wedge the old political wedge issues left versus right don’t quite get in the way as much anymore. So at least that’s what I’m hoping for listeners who feel overwhelmed by this crisis, our our audience will obviously be a very pro natal audience very concerned about the demographic decline.

And if they want to do something or they want to take some some actions, can you give us like, say, one actionable step that everyone can take today, whether in their own lives or in their their communities to support the pro natalist cause that you’re championing. I mean, the biggest challenge, I think, for people who have this concern is just finding other people who share that concern. And and I really think like you’re right. There’s a lot of gloom and doom about this topic. And I would I would counteract that with like, there’s all kinds of opportunities that are going to emerge as this unfolds.

It’s it’s demographic change is going to create tremendous amounts of volatility. It’s going to create tremendous amounts of change, which if you are observant and you’re you’re looking for ways to take advantage and take care of your family, you’re going to make it, you’re going to be all right. And and so it really is just about connecting with people. I mean, that’s that’s the whole the whole point of the conference is like we want we want to connect as many people as possible who are interested in this. And, you know, we’re going to be talking about not just like, you know, what’s causing it, but like, what can you do about it? Like, what kind of investment strategies will make sense in this world? Like, there’s all sorts of this is a problem that that big political and like corporate institutions are not equipped to deal with because it’s this thing that has to be you have to take actions right now that you don’t see the benefit of for 18 years.

Right. You can’t you can’t make 10 year olds. You can’t make 15 year olds. You got to make newborns. Right. And then they got to grow up into into the population that are going to be sort of shouldering the burden. And what that means is that there are all sorts of institutions that ordinarily would be like, you know, sort of day trading way faster than you able to capture opportunities that you couldn’t possibly capture. But those big institutions can’t see this issue. And so there’s all sorts of of lanes you could you could go through where human judgment can really pay off.

So back to your original question of how do people get involved? I would say sign up for the mailing list. Get a ticket if you can. We’re also going to be doing like in the next in the coming months. We’re going to be doing like mixers and getting people together on a less formal basis. So sign up for the mailing list and get involved. See, let’s a great pivot. Let’s talk about the pronatalist conference that’s coming up. It’s the end of March, I believe last weekend of March. This is in Austin. Oh, look at that. We even got our our cool QR code that people can click on or not click on.

You just link into. So it’s going to be in beautiful Austin, Texas. This is going to be so cool. Give us a give us an overview of what you’re doing. What number is this now? How many how many conferences have you done thus far? This is number two. Twenty twenty three is the first one. Awesome. Awesome. So getting the Elon bump was a huge deal because that was that was the inaugural conference. But yeah, it’s going to be Austin genuinely will be gorgeous. In March 20, it’s going to be bluebonnet season Indian paint brushes. It’s going to be a great kind of spring vibe for this issue, which is fitting.

We’re going to be meeting at the Bullock Museum of Texas history and having kind of a gala dinner there and then the conference the following day at the AT&T Conference Center. It’s going to be structured with speakers and then unconference content in between so that a couple of speakers go and then the actual audience gets together to discuss the issue. I do Q&A. And we found last year there was there was people were massively surprised at the quality of the other attendees. They were they were really impressed with who was there. And in terms of this is an issue that has attracted really bright and caring people.

And it has it has given all of us it’s kind of scrambled our political categories. It’s given all of us a kind of humility because you could roughly divide camps into like tech and trad. And the tech camp is there and they’re like, you know, we have these kind of whiz bang solutions. But we recognize that there’s like there are questions of meaning here that like don’t show up on a spreadsheet and we don’t necessarily have all those answers. And then on the trad side, it’s like, you know, we feel good about our answers to these questions of meaning.

But like, I still don’t know how my kid is going to find a girl or a boy, you know, and people are. It’s something that strikes people very personally, but it is simultaneously so universally relatable that it just it created really great grounds for people to connect who otherwise have differing opinions on all sorts of things and might not have that kind of opportunity. So it was incredibly warm and honest and open. I just couldn’t have been happier with it as far as last year. So we’re going to have lots of unconferenced content, lots of opportunities to get to know the other attendees and connect with other families.

We’re going to have some like mixer contents and matchmaking content for those who are interested in that. But then also, like, you know, so I’m married, I have six kids, and I want my family to meet other families and my wife to have friends that have some of the same challenges that like you just really don’t grasp until you’ve got six kids and just like, right. I mean, the size of a minivan and like getting to the activities and like there’s all sorts of ways in which the world around us is sort of not built for that size of family anymore.

And so being able to connect with people who have that experience is super important. And also a lot of it like the parallel institutions for education and so forth. So you’ve got six, I got four. So between the two of us, we got we’re double digits, man, that’s nice. And then my partner also has my business partner at six. So the between the three of us got 16. So we’re doing our part, we’re walking the talk as it were, I just love it. I think it’s, it’s so awesome. And yeah, the way you’re talking about like the tech and the trad sides, it’s a perfect example of showing how that horizontal divide really is just, it’s just melded now.

It’s really, that’s kind of passé, that’s the old kind of modernist industrial world. Now, religion and science, tech and trad are coming together in new and exciting ways for a pronatalist future. It’s really beautiful stuff. And I’m just so excited to be a part of it, Kevin. I mean, I love what you’re doing. But we’re getting there. So gang, join me and Kevin as we delve deeper into this critical conversation on the pronatalist convention or at the pronatalist convention. Right now, if you click on that link below, or you got to scan that code. I love that.

Let’s go to, as Trump would say, that big, beautiful code. We got, if you use promo code Turley, you can get a special discount on your tickets to the pronatalist convention. Like I said, I’ll be there. I’m there to speak, to learn, to fellowship. I’d love to meet you all in person. Plus, they have an amazing lineup of speakers. Check them out. They’re awesome. So don’t miss out. Get your tickets today to be at that convention, be part of a movement that, um, it doesn’t just champion family values for a sustainable future. I believe this movement really is on the forefront of civilizationless renewal.

This is huge stuff. So again, the link’s in the description below, or you can scan the QR code on the screen. Remember to use promo code Turley for special discount. And let’s be part of, uh, of the, uh, of, uh, I, Kevin, I got to tell you, I just think I can’t wait to meet you. And I can’t finish my sentences because I’m so excited. I can’t wait to meet you in person and experience this amazing conference. Cause again, I really do think you’re on the front lines of the renewal of civilization. And I think this is going to be a blessing to generations to come.

And I can’t think of wanting to be part of anything more wonderful than that. So thank you so much for all your efforts in this. Thank you so much. This has been wonderful. [tr:trw].

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