NASA..MASTERS OF ILLUSION? REAL OR FAKE? Aerospace Safety Professional Explains..

➡ Nino’s Corner TV hosted Joe Jordan for discussion on NASA and its authenticity, skepticism towards popular beliefs about space and outer space voyages, particularly the moon landing. Nino compared the control people at the top of organizations like NASA have over information dissemination to mainstream media, while Joe argued such secrets would eventually come out. They also promoted a weight loss keto product.
➡ The author passionately discusses their visit to the Kennedy Space Center and the moon rock exhibit while also debating controversies surrounding NASA. They express skepticism about the moon landing and the disappearance of its footage, yet recognizes NASA’s contributions to science, technology and economy. They also delve into issues like life in outer space, and explore biblical interpretations of earth’s creation, the concept of the firmament, and the coexistence of Nephilim with dinosaurs.
➡ The speaker believes the Earth is young, supports the biblical scripture and criticizes flat Earth supporters. They think NASA’s goals and achievements are genuine but questions their representation of information. They also express doubt about the existence of sentient life elsewhere despite UFO phenomena, and critically discuss the ambiguities surrounding NASA’s claims about water on other planets.
➡ The speaker emphasizes the importance of solid evidence when it comes to claims about extraterrestrial encounters, updated life or abductions, stating that changes in individuals’ lives post-experience isn’t sufficient proof. A healthy skepticism towards images and videos of “alien” figures or objects is expressed, citing potential manipulation or misinterpretation. The speaker believes that institutions like NASA provide more reliable information, but expects extensive proof if claims about extraterrestrial life were to be made. They express a belief that many encounters could possibly be of spiritual origin rather than extraterrestrial, potentially associated with fallen angels or other supernatural elements, and stress the importance of critically analyzing all information to avoid falling prey to grand illusions.
➡ This text discussed the skepticism surrounding NASA’s operations and the conspiracies about the moon landing being a hoax. Additionally, the person emphasized their curious and open-mindedness towards the agency despite acknowledging the potential deceptions. They showed support for certain advancements made by NASA, such as satellite deployments for global internet provision, highlighting Elon Musk’s Starlink and Amazon’s emerging competition. The individual seems trapped between religious beliefs, acknowledging mankind’s capacity for goodness while maintaining wariness of conspiracy theories and distrusting the government.
➡ The text discusses the process of launching satellites into orbit, the concept of space colonization, the challenges of adapting to other planets’ conditions, and the possibility of creating space stations that can replicate Earth’s gravity. It mentions mining the Moon for resources needed for Mars exploration as more cost-efficient than launching from Earth due to gravity complications. Some doubts about whether humanity has been to the Moon are expressed despite the compelling proof of videos and images taken in space. The ocean’s unexplored mysteries and potential are also discussed.
➡ The speaker is discussing complex scientific and philosophical topics such as multilayered dimensions, the existence of life elsewhere, the notion of an accidental universe, issues with the big bang theory, and the possibility of our universe being a design by an intelligent creator. Joe Joseph, a guest on the show, has a book titled “Piercing the Cosmic Veil” and can be found at his website, www.ceforeresearch.com.

What’s up, folks, and welcome to Nino’s Corner TV. I am joined once again with Joe Jordan, Joseph Jordan. The last interview we did about rebuking abductions in the name of Jesus Christ really hit a home run. A lot of people loved it. I thought it was a great interview. A lot of people won’t touch that. A lot of people won’t even go near that. But me, I like to go.

I like to get close to things people don’t want to get near. So I’m going for it. I like to dive into this headfirst. But today we’re going to be talking about NASA. Is NASA. Basically a Psyop. What is NASA? It takes in billions of dollars, what, a year to keep us believing that we’re going to outer space. That they send us these what I think are CGI photos of Earth, photos of other mean.

I have huge doubts in all of very I’m a huge skeptic on NASA and I hope you help me dispel some of these rumors and beliefs that I have. But first, folks, get your Keto with Nino. Get your keto with nino. When it comes to weight loss, we’re all searching for that one miracle pill which may never exist. But believe it or not, I may have found the next best thing.

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51% off along with many other free bonuses before they sell out. And they always sell out. Get over there. The links down below, folks. Keto and nino, baby. All right, Joe. Man, I’ve always been a huge skeptic about NASA. I’m not going to sit here and say the Earth is flat. I can’t do that to myself. I won’t do that to myself. But I got to tell you, they do win a lot of debates, these people.

And they debunk a lot of global Earthers out there. I don’t know how they do it. I don’t want to step into that lane just for my own reputation. But they got me thinking. They definitely got me thinking. But then there’s the geocentric Earth where I believe that the Earth is the center of the universe. I don’t know what to believe. All I know is that we’ve been lied to for a very long time.

And when I go out at night and I look up at the stars, I think, we can’t be the only ones here. We cannot be the only ones here. What is all that empty space? What is all those trillions of stars out there? And what is NASA really doing? Because I keep hearing we can’t even get to lower orbit. Okay. I definitely don’t believe we landed on the moon, so hopefully you can help me maybe get a clearer picture here of what’s going on.

So thank you, Joe Jordan, for joining me. Once again, Nino, thank you for having me on. This is going to be of a I got a lot of pushback from the UFO community and emails, by the way. Of course. Yeah. Made them think a little bit. And some of them a lot of people that I was in contact with didn’t even reach out, has not reached out to me, I don’t think.

They won’t even open the can of worms here. But I’m very interested in this topic. But go in whatever lane you want to go in here, and I’ll let you start. So what are we looking at with NASA? I mean, I don’t even know what to believe. I don’t believe we went to the moon. You want to just start there? Yeah. To even consider that as a cover up is just amazing to me.

I’m old enough that I can tell you I sat there and watched the landings on TV as they were happening that drove my interest in space like, you have no idea. For a youngster to be able to experience watching this actually happen live, I had to explore it. It became a consuming factor for my life, even up to this point. I’m still working for one of the leading aerospace companies in the space race right now.

You’re working for an aerospace company right now? Sure. Down here at Kennedy. Oh, this is going to be interesting. Wow. Okay, go ahead. And that was a dream fulfilled for me. What are you doing with the aerospace company? I’m a safety professional. So in the manufacturing environment of building rockets with all the personnel and the hazards they encounter, I’m present to be able to work with them and keep them safe as they complete their job to build these rockets, dealing with the high hazards that are involved with them.

So you do believe there’s an outer space? Let’s just take that. You do believe we go into outer space? Oh, absolutely. Okay. I’ve lived here right across from the Kennedy Space Center for the past well, since 1972. I’ve watched almost every shuttle launch go up and down. I’ve watched all the rockets go up and down. Now we’re seeing a lot of the boosters coming back from the launches that we’re seeing nowadays with the new technology that they have to be able to bring them back and land them here.

So you don’t believe we hit a dome? There’s no dome up there. You don’t believe there’s any firmament? No, I don’t. Okay. I have no doubt that the probes that we’ve sent out are far, far out there. Voyager one. Voyager two. Those things are so far out in space right now to us, but to the vast universe, they’re not very far at all, but they’re still continuing to go out and go out and go out, and we’re still getting signals back to where we’re able to tell what they’re seeing out there.

Probes that we’re sending to Mars, the rovers we sent to Mars, they’ve landed. The idea that we didn’t land on the moon, then how is it we’re seeing artifacts from those landings through the satellites that we send up there? You believe we landed on the moon? Oh, absolutely. I can’t buy it. I’m sorry, but that’s me. I don’t buy it, but go ahead. The later satellites that we’ve sent up there to orbit the moon, even the Chinese, why would they lie? To know, when you think about it, and India’s been up there now, and that looked like an Atari game when they were showing the footage.

Did you see that? Yeah, that looked really bad. But they made it. And they made it to an area that nobody else has. The thing is, though, that all these countries that are they made it. How do you know they made it? Well, because they said they made it. You got to consider what it would take to keep that type of COVID up. I hear people talk about this.

NASA covers up. Well, who’s NASA in the first place? NASA is us. We fund NASA. There’s people just like you and me that work for a living, that work at the Space Center. When I worked there during the shuttle program at its heyday, near the end, there were 15,000 people that went out there every day to go to work, to do their part for that shuttle program. But that’s the same as the government people.

But that’s like saying, oh, I work for Congress. It’s highly compartmentalized. I mean, it’s the same thing. The people at the top are the same thing as the MSM, the mainstream media. It’s all the same thing. People at the top control the people at the bottom. It’s trickled down and it’s compartmentalized. It could be, but it’s still a very hard secret to cover. Eventually, secrets come out. We’re seeing but they are coming out.

They’re coming out in droves. I mean, they are coming out, but you get to that point, is to who do you trust? If you get to where you trust an one, like they used to say in X Files, then you’re going to have a pretty miserable life, because you are. At least it’s a truthful life. I’d rather live in truth than in bullshit, to a point. A lot of us, we still trust unconditionally without even looking at things.

We trust the food we stick in our face. We don’t even really look at what’s in it and what’s been done to it. So it’s just a matter of what you want to choose, and choose to believe, and choose to not believe, and choose to trust and not trust. Because you may not trust that we went to the moon, but you trust the garbage that we stick in our face that’s killing us billions of dollars.

I get what you’re saying. I get what you’re saying. At some point, you got to trust somebody. And I just don’t see a mistrust in what I see at NASA. I’ve had the opportunity, like I said, to live here since 72. One of the biggest things that was on my bucket list when I moved here was to see the moon rock that they had on display at the very small at that time visitor center at the Kennedy Space Center back in 72.

1st thing I did was drive out there to see that moonrock. I wanted to see it firsthand. I wanted to know that it actually happened. And sure enough, they had one on display and they still have one on display today. But the one that’s on display today, and the beautiful, vast visitor center that’s been developed there to show us what kind of work that NASA’s done over the years, you can actually touch that one.

You can actually put your hand in this contraption where you reach around and you can actually touch the rock that came from the moon. It’s fascinating the work that’s look at NASA. We focus on those particular things about going to the moon. Did we? Did we not? But the thing about NASA that’s most important is if you don’t even have the footage anymore, they’ve lost or erased all the footage.

Yeah, they lost some of it, but there’s still a lot there that you can see, probably because it was very easily debunked. So they conveniently lost a that’s a thinking. But also when you deal with a vast amount of people, you get things misplaced. I see that know every day still with bigger companies that I’ve worked for over the years. You honestly believe NASA just lost the footage? They just misplaced.

It the most important footage of the moon landing. Believe me, things are still happening like that today in large companies. We just focus on that aspect with dealing with NASA. The thing about what I see with NASA, the most important part to look at is the accomplishments. We’ve come through science because of the work being done through NASA. And they make a point to show you that out there at the space center, because a lot of people say, well, why do we spend all this money to go into space? What’s it going to do for us? Well, the thing is, what’s it done for us? They show you the accomplishments and the inventions that have come out of space and the science that we’ve been able to work out by doing these experiments up on a space station and on the shuttle when it was orbiting.

They estimate that every dollar that’s spent through NASA, through its program, we get seven to $8 on that dollar in return because of things that we’ve been able to discover and be able to use to help humanity. And that’s the most important part about the whole thing, besides, did we go to the moon? But I absolutely how did we get to the Van Allen belt? I mean, we can’t even figure out we’re just barely going into how come we haven’t been back? How come NASA hasn’t been back to the moon with the it hasn’t been profitable to go back.

And I think now we’re seeing that it’s profitable. One of the things that I learned about a while back that you don’t think in your mind that maybe we were in a race against the Cosmonauts, and we faked the whole damn thing to make it look like we won. No psychological warfare right there. No, I really don’t I don’t get WiFi when I’m driving through New Mexico. You think they televised that shit on our TVs in the 60s? That’s a sad.

Through the Van Allen belt, and they got through the Van Allen, the belt without a hiccup, landed on the moon and said, we’re going back now, and flew all the way back through the Van Allen belt again and landed just fine and dandy. I don’t believe it. And that’s a choice that we all have. Right? But I’ve just seen too much accomplishments for them to be able to think that it’s all not real.

Can I ask you what accomplishments that they tell us? They actually show you yeah, they show you the accomplishments of things that were developed because of working experiments in space, and you see a vast array of that there at the visitor center, at the Kennedy Visitor Center. What about these videos that come out that show, like, bubbles coming up like they’re underwater, that show these harnesses on these guys? What about those videos? Have you seen those? Some of those, yeah.

I think that people want you to try and doubt what sometimes they’re holding a ball, they’re floating in space, and then the ball drops due to gravity. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me for letting you fool me twice. I’m just saying, to me, they’ve lost all credibility. I find it very hard to believe anything they say, but I guess you differ in that belief.

Correct? I differ because I’m here. I think I think people really need to come here and experience a launch and see the impact of it. You need to actually be part of what it takes to put these things together, to be able to see what it takes to actually get off this gravity earth that we have, what kind of propulsion it takes, what kind of force it takes, what kind of technology it takes.

When you actually see it firsthand and you can actually put your hands on it and touch it and you see what it takes to build this, you get a whole different concept of what this is. So I thought you were going to come on here today and debunk NASA completely. So you’re for NASA? I am. I see the economy. You don’t think they’re lying to the public at all? And you think in the last interview you said we are the only sentient beings in this universe.

You believe that? I believe that. So you believe in space, you believe we go to these planets, but they’re just empty. I do believe they’re empty. I don’t see how you can believe in NASA and believe in outer space and then think that whole vast universe is empty with nothing else on it, and we’re the only ones. Yeah, that’s well, as a Christian, that’s what my Bible says.

I can trust God’s word. I can trust God’s word because it’s what it’s done in my life. I can trust God’s word for the testimonies that I brought you last time to show you what it’s done for those people. I agree with you. I’m not debating that. I’m just saying in this vast amount of space, that sure seems like a lot of wasted space to me. There’s nothing else out there.

If you believe in outer space and if you believe in the Bible, doesn’t it say in the Bible, now, I’m not a Bible scholar, but doesn’t it say there’s a firmament? There was a firmament in the beginning. In the beginning, okay. And I believe if you look at it from creation science point of view, which scientists who are Christians, who look at this through the eyes of actual science, science doesn’t dispute God.

Science is supporting God in every way. Everything they come up with, they find that God has already said to be true. So they’re supporting it 100%. If you look at the creation scientists, the people that are actually looking at creation from the scriptural perspective, but also from a scientific perspective, what they believe that we’re seeing is that in the beginning, god created the Earth like a terrarium. Okay? The whole Earth was a garden.

That’s why we’re seeing vegetation under the tundras in the frozen areas, because they were there at one time, the whole Earth was enveloped in a bubble that was the firmament, like a vapor canopy. Vapor canopy, yes. So the whole Earth was a garden like you see in a terrarium of self sufficient. It didn’t need to rain because the rain came from the ground. So was that Noah’s flood.

When the vapor canopy dropped, it dropped and also came from the deep. That’s why there been so much water. Wow. The concept of that, if you think about it, is the answer for why the dinosaurs were so big, and it’s why a Pterodactyl, the huge winged Pterodactyl, cannot fly in our atmosphere because it would take an atmospheric pressure of double what we have to be able to have that Pterodactyl fly.

It would have to be a barometric pressure, atmospheric pressure twice what we have for these huge dinosaurs to exist because of what it would take oxygen wise for them to survive in that terrarium aspect with that firmament around it. There was twice the atmospheric pressure of what we had. It worked like, what do you call those chambers that people were put in to help? Barometric chambers. Barometric chamber.

That’s what the Earth was at the time. That’s what enabled that pterodactyl to fly. That’s what enabled the dinosaurs to be so big. When the flood happened, when the Earth was destroyed through water, that firmament was broken and the atmospheric pressure changed. Okay? No more giants, animals like that were anymore. None of them ever grew to be there. Would you say the Nephilim coexisted with the dinosaurs? Giants, the minimal? Yeah.

Yes, I believe they did. The giants we see after the flood, not near as big, right? So that coincides. So do you think the Earth is 60,000 years old or billions of years old? I believe everything is pointing to a young Earth. When they can find dinosaurs with soft tissue still in them. There’s no way that’s possible with millions of years. That could only be possible with thousands of years.

So you don’t believe the Earth is billions of years old? No. So do you believe it’s about 6000 years old? Yes. And I think that that’s part of the reason that God put the genealogy part, the boring part. Man, they must love you at these UFO MUFON conventions. It’s like, whoa, wait, this way, that way. Okay, man. Yeah, you’re all over the place. Everything supports God’s word, though, doesn’t dispute it.

I don’t see how you can believe all this and believe really? That’s what I’m having to disconnect here. I don’t see how you can take the Bible for what it is, but then take NASA for what it is. But NASA is not doing anything that’s against biblical scripture. They’re just going out into this universe that God made for us to be in awe of. So what what do you have to say to all my audience out there? And I have a lot of them, and they’re going to probably be chiming in in the chat that are flat earthers.

And they’re saying, well, if you believe in the Bible, the Bible and like I said, they’re going to say, the Bible claims that the earth is flat. Correct? Am I wrong in saying that? Some of them are. Again, I am not a Bible scholar. I’m just stating what they’re probably going to say. They believe the Earth is flat. Yes. And they do because they’re looking at it from what somebody else gave them, not because what they learned on their own.

Believe me, I have not yet met one flat Earther that’s ever come across that thinking on their own. Nobody grows up as a kid and goes, oh, look at this, the Earth is actually flat. No, there’s people perpetrating this delusion of the Earth being flat. They’re using scripture out of context. They’re using the idea that scripture must be factual if you’re going to believe God’s word to be inerrant.

But the thing is, they’re not taking into consideration that there are certain phrases used like, oh, I’m so hungry I could eat a horse. I can’t eat a whole horse. But they take that as what it literally means. And you can’t do that. You have to be able to separate those kind of phrases from what is being said as actual fact. There are things that are being said that just are trying to get a point across, and that’s what they’re using instead of actually taking it for what it really said.

But there’s some experiments that the flat Earthers have done that really boggle the mind. Like when you see a ship go over the horizon out of your optical view and then you’re able to pull it up. And then if the Earth was a curvature, if it had a curve, I don’t think you’d be able to pull that ship up again with a telescope. And then they’re able to do so.

And that one thing bothers me. It’s like a splinter in my mind. It keeps bothering me. And I’m not saying the Earth is flat. I can’t go that direction. That bothers me. Do you get what I’m saying? And also the flight patterns. I mean, they have a lot of refutable evidence that it’s very hard to debate. I mean, it really is. And I’m not qualified to debate them in this, but I just know what stands out to me and there’s certain things that stand out to me that bother me.

I don’t believe the Earth is flat. I think maybe it’s obtuse a bit, a little wider on the I don’t think it’s a perfect circle. I think NASA gives us CGI photos that are photoshopped because the flat Earthers have proven that to be correct. So at least that what do you think about the NASA CGI photos? Do you think they are really photos from space? Because when you look at the photos, they have duplicates of clouds, sometimes patterns of clouds all over the same Earth.

The photos look photoshop to me. What’s your thoughts on that? I think that in some situations that may be the truth. If what they’re giving you is a picture for some certain reason, they may use the same picture over and over and over. But it’s real easy to turn on NASA live and watch the space station video as it’s happening, actually live. I love sitting there and just watching that as if you’re sitting in the space station itself and looking out the window.

That’s a live view. It’s changing. It’s not CGI. That’s actually changing as you’re traveling over it. Do we go past lower orbit? Have we sent crews past lower space orbit? I mean, have we been able to do that? Yeah, I believe that’s where the moon launchers came in. Okay, so you think we are exploring vast parts of space with crews or just drones? No, just satellites. Right now we’re setting the foundation to be able to travel to space, but they’re saying there’s signs of life out there.

They’ve said that there’s they make other planets. What? They’re saying they make us believe that that’s what they’re finding. But see, you’re contradicting yourself right now. You’re saying they’re making us believe that? Yes. You either buy all of it or you don’t buy any of it. Am I? No. You have to be careful on what they’re actually saying, okay? They’re saying that they’re seeing signs of what could be water.

They can’t say there is water unless they actually are able to verify there is water. That’s why we have probes that are actually running drills down into the moon area to look for that water. That’s what the Indian crap is doing and trying to be able to dig into that ice to see if there is actual water there. That’s what they’re trying to do on ice. It’s frozen water.

Yeah, but you got to be able to verify that it is water. It could be frozen something else, too. It could be frozen hydrogen, frozen nitrogen. But what they’re looking for is water, like H 20 that we could have organic material in. That’s what they’re looking for. But couldn’t an alien species live off something completely different than what we live off here? We may need air and H 20, they may need nitrogen and something completely different to live.

That’s a thinking that’s come up, and that’s something that they’re also considering as they’re out there on the moons of Mars, looking at the different frozen moons of Mars, trying to determine maybe it might be something else there. Yeah, I’m saying, like, why does it have to abide by our rules and physics mean or our laws of life here? Why can’t they be abiding by a whole different set of laws in life out there? Something completely different? It could be.

I just don’t think we’re going to find sentient life out there. I think there’s a possibility there could be a life material, but I don’t think we’re ever going to find sentient life, and then that confuses the whole situation. If there is life out there and we’re talking about the UFO phenomenon and there’s life visiting us here, but yet you don’t see them in spacesuits. They just appear here and they’re breathing.

There’s people that say when they come across these beings that they’re completely different than us. Some have spacesuits, some testimonies do say this. I mean, they had, like, the older grace. Yeah. So what’s your thoughts on that? Yeah, that’s where this all gets confusing, is because if they’re going to be different from us, I doubt they’re going to adapt just that quickly to what our environment is. This is what makes this whole thing so bizarre.

I guess I’m confused on your thinking because you believe 100% the Bible and you believe 100% NASA, correct? Pretty much what I see that NASA has accomplished. Yes. And what their goals are. I understand their goals. So if they say they believe there’s and now the testimony is coming out in the House hearings saying there’s life on other planets, we’re reverse engineering craft. We’re actually reverse engineering the craft.

That tells me that the craft came from somewhere else. Right. But we haven’t seen any craft. Again, we’re back to the evidence. It’s one thing to say you have something, but it’s another thing to actually show that you have something. We’re getting a lot of know back to NASA again. NASA won’t say that we have found water. NASA is saying we’re finding everything that shows that there could be water.

That’s what you have to be careful on. What, you’re know. They want to make you believe that what they’re saying is this. A lot of people jump to, oh, they said there’s water on this world out there. That’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying that it meets the criteria that water could be there. It’s showing signs that there could be, but it doesn’t verify that there is. That’s the big thing that I’m about, is you have to have the evidence for what you’re backing up.

50 whistleblowers coming to Congress with no evidence, just hearsay. You can’t take any of that for real. You got to show the evidence. So when you say people rebuke abductions, where’s the evidence? They’re just saying the evidence is in the changed life. Because we know that everybody that knows these people knows that they’ve been distraught because of the experience. They know their lives have been turned upside down because of the experience.

It’s when you see their experience completely terminated through a relationship with Jesus Christ and they’re no longer in that distraught mode. Their lives have been coming back to a normalcy as we know it, that’s evidence that what has happened is real, that they’ve been able to stop it. What about these guys? What about these people? Come on the House hearings and their lives are destroyed because if they’ve seen these ships and they’ve had to stay quiet for so long, isn’t that evidence in itself that they’re going through a lot of turmoil and trials and tribulations in their lives because they have encountered this stuff? I have no doubt that they’ve encountered something and that it does affect people.

That’s the same thing that the experiences that I’m working with. I have no doubt they encountered something that destroyed their lives, destroyed their paradigm of reality. I have no doubt that that’s happened to them. What is it that actually happened to them? That’s where we have to get down to the nitty gritty of evidence. And we’re not seeing the evidence of what this is. Nowhere do we have evidence of what.

This is we can only take how it affects us and look at it as what could this be? What about video evidence of people that have caught these beings? I’ve seen evidence on the Internet of extraterrestrials in the backgrounds or ships flying through the air. It looks real to me. I don’t know ships. They appear to be extraterrestrials. It’s still there’s never any just we talked about CGI.

How do we know we’re not seeing that there? We do know that. We see fuzzy videos, fuzzy pictures. So you don’t trust that, but you trust NASA’s pictures? Most of them, yeah. Most of them, yeah. It’s different when you actually see the work that’s being done here. That’s what I have to focus back on. It’s one thing to never experience the work of NASA and the work that these people, hardworking people do.

My neighbors, the coworkers that I work with, it’s a different thing when you actually have I’m not discrediting them. I’m saying it’s compartmentalized, very much compartmentalized. But I don’t doubt the people what am I trying to say here? I don’t doubt they believe what they’re seeing at all. I don’t doubt that at all. I think the people at the very top are feeding them something different. That’s all I’m saying.

Just like every structure works at the very top, they control the bottom. And it can happen. It could be, but I don’t see enough of that. That would affect the way that I think, though. There’s none of it there that’s saying that the people that I’m supporting and what I do every day. Okay, so if NASA comes out and says that there is extraterrestrial life out there and they say aliens exist, you’re going to believe them, right? Because you believe NASA.

They got to show the evidence just like everybody else. What if they show you pictures and video of them? That’s not going to do it. But that’s what they’re doing with the planets in space. They’re doing the same thing and you believe it. They have to show a little bit more when it comes to life. They’ve got to be able to show something a whole lot more when it comes to life.

I would tell me they have to show a little bit more when it comes to planets and face as well to appease you, right? Well, you got to look at where all these pictures coming from. They’re not just coming from NASA. A lot of the pictures are coming from private industry. A lot of the pictures are coming from colleges through giant telescopes that are out there, and they’re showing the same thing that the NASA photos are showing.

It’s not different. And you’ve got to look at private industry versus a government industry. And then you’ve also got to look at colleges and universities that are doing this with access to huge telescopes and radio telescopes and look at the work and how they mesh together. It’s not separate. It’s not different. NASA if NASA so, like, let’s say they have disclosure and they come out and they say extraterrestrials do exist.

There’s other planets with beings on it. What about these photos that I’ve seen that have been photoshopped or smudged out that were supposedly there were structures on them? And a lot of people on my show will say, yeah, they believe there’s structures on Mars. You’re saying that’s not well, I’ve seen some good work on that stuff. I don’t think we have enough information to verify that. I think there’s some really good stuff that’s out there.

When you say you’ve seen some really good stuff, richard Hoagland was a big proponent for that too, back in the day. But it’s just something we don’t have verifiable yet. Looking at the answers, what NASA is saying about their look into this phenomenon right here, they said a NASA probe into hundreds of UFO sightings found that there was no evidence aliens were behind the unexplained phenomenon. But the space agency also cannot rule that possibility out.

But so far, what they’re looking at are saying it’s not alien, it’s something else. And this is a lot of what we’re getting from a lot of the major talking heads in the UFO realm that this looks to be something else. It looks to be something indigenous to Earth. It looks to be something that’s been here forever with us. So the whole idea that this being extraterrestrial is already being looked at by NASA is a possibility that maybe it know they’re not seeing things coming from outside, coming here.

What they’re seeing is things that are here, that coexist with us, that live among us. Yeah. And that’s the big question mark. Yeah, that’s a big question mark. I’ve watched videos, trail cam videos. Would you say those are proof enough that there’s things out there in the forest that don’t look very human? I’ve seen dogmen, and then they’ve caught these things bigfoot. I mean, there’s all kinds of cryptids out there that scares the crap out of me that I don’t want to go to a national park.

Do you think that’s maybe what we’re seeing? I think it’s a mix of what we’re seeing. There’s such a bizarre relationship between these cryptid sightings and UFO sightings. There’s actually been cryptid sightings where these things will actually morph into something that we refer to as an alien from a cryptid. So how does that fall into place? So I think there’s part of this same delusion that we’re part of here.

I think this is just a deeper aspect of it’s, just another layer of the onion. So you believe they’re fallen angels masquerading as aliens? It’s what the best answer I found as a researcher looking at this from three different perspectives, first, as an agnostic humanist, second, as somebody in the metaphysical New Age realm, and then finally from a Christian perspective. It wasn’t until I got to this perspective that I started seeing the similarities to something that was written about 2000 years ago.

And these were angelic beings. What we’re seeing here is not God’s messenger. Angelic beings that are here to help us. These are the angelic beings that God cast down to Earth, he says, because of their rebelling against God. And that’s what we’re dealing with. These beings are jealous of us. These beings do not like us. They are jealous of us. They’re jealous of God’s focus on us. And they’re doing everything they can to cheat us out of God’s blessing that he’s offered us as humanity.

So do you think maybe when God is speaking of the heavens in the Bible he’s speaking of outer space and maybe they’re coming from outer space? No. Or is the heavens another God’s dimension? We know as believers, there can be many dimensions. We know for two that for a fact, ours and the spiritual realm. And there could be many levels of the spiritual realm. I believe there possibly is.

But these beings that we’re talking about, they come from the spiritual realm. They’re manifesting into our physical realm something we don’t have the ability to do going into their realm but they have the ability to come into ours. And I believe that’s what we’re seeing in all of these sightings that we’re dealing with and experiences that we’re dealing with because all of it is deceptive, all of it is lies.

That the information coming from them. The whole thing is perpetrating a grand illusion. And you don’t think they’re controlling NASA? It’s a good possibility. They’re controlling a lot of people high. Then you all right, so we agree on that. Sure. Okay. NASA could be a huge Psyop on the American people on the planet and so could all the other governments working in tandem with it. And we could say that the moon landing was fake.

We could say no. Really? You can possibly believe that. But I think at the same time, like, most of these agencies we come across that we know are deceptive like possibly even our government itself at times we know that it’s only a piece of it that is the psyop part. The rest of it is absolute truth because that’s what hooks us in. They’re using a whole lot of reality and truth to perpetrate a little bit of a lie.

And that’s possibly what could be happening. But that little bit of lie it only takes a little bit of strict night to kill somebody. I mean, that little bit of a lie is a big deal. That’s true. So for people that don’t trust NASA, they don’t have to ignore them. I do because I’m fascinated by the work that’s being accomplished through the work that’s being done. This is interesting.

Like I said, to be able to gain technology and development seven times over what we put into it, I think is worth being part of it because that seven times that is being gained of it is supporting us in the way that we can live our lives and live it better. And I’m all for it in that aspect. I often think to myself, we haven’t even explored, really our and.

And I think about space and even less of space. Correct. So we don’t even know what’s at our know. I think it was Jacques Cousteau who went to and this was in, I think, Tahoe, lake Tahoe. He said, the world is not ready for what I have seen at the bottom of that lake. Tahoe makes you wonder. I think this entire planet is an enormous question mark to me.

I don’t claim to know what it is. I don’t claim to know anything. I have an open mind. That’s why I bring you on, because I have an open mind. I want them to hear what you have to say. But I got to tell you, I’m even more confused right now after talking with you. Okay. So help me clear this up for my audience, because are you willing to say that you just don’t mean you have 1ft in with NASA? 1ft out.

You believe in the Bible, but you believe in NASA. I believe NASA is a complete psyop. I believe it’s controlled by what you would call the fallen angels. The fallen I think it’s Luciferian at its core. You don’t believe that, although you believe in the Bible. I don’t know who controls it completely. I know it’s funded by us. Do you trust our government? It’s our taxpayers. It’s us as taxpayers that are paying.

Correct. But do you trust our government? Not completely, no. Okay. And they’re our government. Yeah, but the accomplishments I do trust. And that’s the good part about it. Like I said, we know that a lot of it can be good. You believe in good. You believe in the goodness of man. You believe oh, yeah, absolutely. You believe that the accomplishments of NASA because you believe in the goodness of mankind.

Sure, I can get there’s a lot of good people that have put their hearts into this work to be able to come up with some good things for humanity. So you just take the bad people out of the equation. You just take the bad people out of the equation. You don’t think that they could be spoiling it at the very top and inserting certain things or having certain agendas at play here, using the good people to work for them? That may be happening, but as a Christian, I have to know that God is more powerful than all of that, and that’s where my trust is at.

And I agree with that. But I’m very aware of Satan. You should be. He’s very deceitful. Yeah. The biggest trick he has for us is to say for us to think he doesn’t exist, that’s the biggest danger. So let me get your thoughts on this but have you seen proof of them or evidence of them? Well, we’re back to do you trust what you see? What I’ve seen so far, yeah.

Some of them are old. They’ve converted old salt mines. We know that Cheyenne Mountain is inside a mountain that’s classified as an underground base. That’s where NORAD is located. We know these things exist. We know these places exist. So are you familiar with Philip Schneider? I mean, I know the whole MUFON community is okay. Do you believe in his testimony? No. You think he’s lying? Yeah. Something happened to him, but something happened to him.

Yes. But I don’t believe that story true because there’s no evidence to show that these things are physical yet that these beings are physical. So you don’t believe the story where he went underground and encountered these things, and there was a firefight and he saw human beings encamped in cages, and he saw the grays staring at him, hit him with an electric beam that they waved over their chest? Hit him and they started the alien human war down below? I think it was a Green Beret or a Ranger.

Saved his life, brought him back up above surface. And you don’t believe his story at all? No more than I believe Timothy Good’s story, that he spent 20 years in the Marines on Mars. So then how do you believe the people that tell you that they rebuked the abductions in the name of Jesus Christ? Because their life has changed. That’s the evidence. But Philip’s life philip Schneider had 13 attempts on his life.

He looked like his life was destroyed. But you’d believe him? If he was living a good life and he was saved by Jesus Christ, that’s the only way you’d believe him? No, I believe that if he actually was saved by Jesus Christ, I think he’d come to the truth of what he was dealing with. See, the thing about this whole phenomenon, which is really dangerous, is all it takes is a good story to make yourself known out there.

You don’t need any evidence for it. I’ve been in this for 30 years. Yeah, that’s the way they make it look. But we don’t know that for sure. We don’t know that he died. Yeah, most likely. Okay, so what projects is NASA working on right now that you’re excited about, that we should all be excited about? Let’s go to a positive direction. Don’t, I’m not debating you. I’m just asking questions.

Sure. No, I think the projects that they’re working on now, getting these satellites up there for Internet, I think is a huge thing for us on Earth. You talk about not even getting Internet out in New Mexico. We’re going to have that ability here very shortly. This whole idea with Ellen Musk’s starlink, and now he’s getting a competitor in the field. Amazon’s building their big location. Didn’t Elon Musk send a car out in Saw that looked fake.

Do you think that was real? Yeah, it was real. It was real. He can do that. Okay. This whole thing, know, being able to get internet access to the world is huge because it’s going to give an opportunity for children in remote places to get a really good education and to be able to teach them the things that we’ve learned in modern society. Elon Musk has been at it with Starlink putting up these Starlink satellites to be able to get internet in remote places.

And now we have Amazon, that’s building their big facility out by the shuttle runway that they’re going to producing satellites also in their own program. That way it becomes competitive in pricing and who knows who else might jump into this. So that’s what the rockets are there for is to be able to put these things up in space, putting payloads in space. Different agencies are putting different types of satellites up there.

NOAA, the Weather Agency, they’ve got satellites out there that help us see a better view of what’s coming at us weather wise. There’s all sorts of different satellites are being put up there. And this is huge to be able to get these things up there. How many satellites better. I mean, I just imagine just a trove of satellites up there. How many satellites are up in space right now? Like in the thousands? Correct? Yeah.

Or millions. Hundreds of thousands? I don’t think hundreds of thousands. People think that it might be crowded up there, but yeah, I’m thinking junkyard. No, it’s not. It’s hard to comprehend the vastness of the atmosphere around our Earth when you get up to that level where they’re in the rotation around the Earth and in fixed orbit. Know, there’s so much space up there it’s unbelievable. There is an issue with debris that could be falling down.

Now they’re looking at satellite or China developed the satellite grabber to get these old ones out of there before they start falling down and causing know, a lot of them deteriorate over time and they just fall apart and fall back and burn up as they come in. But there’s plenty of room for a lot of stuff. Do they burn up as they come back to our atmosphere? Yeah, most of them do.

It becomes so hot once they start coming in that this stuff doesn’t take the heat. So do they ever collide into each other up there and fall down? Miscalculations? Yeah, I haven’t heard anything about that. And I think that’s where our science has gotten to the point with the computer abilities that we have to keep that from happening. How do we know where everything’s at? How do we launch a satellite? How do we get a satellite up into orbit? Like through a rocket.

You just put it on a rocket, shoot it up there and it releases it. Or how does it work? Yeah, the rocket has got a payload bay on it that they store the satellites in the payload bay. They launch the rocket, they get it up in the orbit position where they want it located, and then they’ll release the satellites. And like the Starlink, they’re a string of know that’ll reach out there and they just start them in that rotation around the Earth and away they go.

Wow. So they release them. Like the mathematics behind this have to be precise. Oh, yeah. So they know when to and release the satellites. And then the orbit grabs it and it’s just locked in that orbit. They’ll stay right there, doesn’t need any propulsion or anything? It just stays locked in that orbit. No, they’re in that special distance between the Earth and the Moon where gravity from the moon and gravity from the Earth and the spin around the Earth keeps them locked into that one realm where they’re floating at.

I have another question. At what point can you see the curvature of the Earth? Because I don’t see it from an airplane, and that’s at 36,000ft. At what point do I’ve heard you had to go to like, 60,000ft to see it to start seeing curvature. When do you start seeing the curvature? I don’t know myself. I haven’t been up there. But you’re talking about that 65 miles is a Carmen Line.

And I do know that we’re hearing many people they got no reason to lie that have had the opportunity to go up on Virgin Galactic flights that take you up to the Carmen Line. You’ve got the Blue Origin taking their rocket up the New Shepherd out of Texas. That’s taken a lot of people up. Even Captain Kirk went up there himself. One of the biggest YouTuber groups of guys.

One of their guys actually got the opportunity to ride on it. And that was the first thing he said when he got out of the craft and was back landed there in Texas. He said, It ain’t know I’ve been there. And he made a point to put that across because you actually go up to that realm and they’re able to see full curvature while they’re up there. Do they take pictures? Is there video of this? Yeah, they take pictures.

They take videos. You see them when you watch them up there. But that’s evidence for you. Do you believe that’s evidence? Yeah, that’s evidence. Okay, but I thought you said all right, this is interesting. Cool. When you take people out of that realm of they belong to a big organization. I think that’s trustable because they were there. You see them while they’re up there floating around in the craft, and they got a GoPro right there on their forehead filming the whole thing while they’re up there and you’re seeing them do it, so they come back.

It’s pretty much do you think that we are going to have colonies on Mars soon or colonies on the moon? Not anytime soon. They’ve got a plan, but it’s a long range plan. The long range plan is because the whole aspect is the benefit for humanity. There’s two different concepts in the thinking of colonization. If you colonize a planet or a moon in space, you’re locked in on having to adapt to its issues, whether it be gravity, lack of oxygen, mainly gravity.

That’s the biggest thing. Gravity on Mars is going to be an issue. It’s not the same here. It’s going to affect us greatly. We can’t recreate that gravity if we’re on Mars in a colony that’s going to play on our human biology if we’re there for any length of time. The other concept is the other competitor in this space race, Jeff Bezos. If you look at his vision for space, you’ll see that he’s talking about not colonizing planets or bodies in space.

He’s talking about building a huge space station in space, kind of like you saw at the end of that movie Interstellar where it holds a million people or so. And you can recreate your own gravity, just like Earth. You can have the same environment on the space station as you would on Earth. And you’re not depleting resources of a planet and trying to adapt to that planet. The idea of going to the Moon first is to be able to mine the materials it takes to build that from the Moon.

You build them on the moon, and then you move them to a space station. The idea of that is much cheaper than trying to get all that heavy weight off the planet to do it, because fighting this gravity on Earth is huge and costly. But being able to mine the planets or the moon is a lot cheaper. Bringing them from there to that space station. The same concept with going to Mars.

We need to go to the moon first to mine the moon for the resources we need to get to Mars. Pushing them here from Earth is going to be very costly. But establishing a mining and a base on the moon to be able to mine this stuff we need and produce it there and move it, it’s a lot cheaper because it doesn’t take much escape velocity to get off the moon, even with a large weight.

I think I’m a bit more confused ending this than starting this. But I definitely still believe we didn’t go to the moon. But that’s me, all right. That’s just me. But I respect you 100%. I respect your research. I respect everything you’ve done for the MUFON UFO community. I’d love to have you back on again. I’d love to have my audience ask you questions sure. If that’s okay with you, because I’m sure there’s a lot that I missed because this kind of threw me off.

I thought we were going to be talking about know? There’s one famous quote I’d like to leave, and this one’s from Ronald Reagan. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this. And most of the time, that’s all you hear is that part of the quote. But it’s the second part of the quote that I think is most important, especially with what we’re seeing today, especially with the shows that you’ve been doing just recently, and you’ve been doing a great job covering this issue.

Thank you. And the rest of that is and yet I ask you, is not an alien force already among us? What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and a threat of war? Correct. I agree. All I try to do is just leave no stone unturned. Yeah, that’s all I’m trying to do. I’m just trying to pose the questions, and I hope my audience got something out of this.

I’m definitely a bit more confused. It helps me put more pieces of the puzzle together, no matter what it is. The crazy part is you turn that stone over and there’s 20 more stones underneath. Yeah, I know. Life is a mystery. The world is a mystery to me, and it’s great learning about it. How much of the oceans have we explored? Do you know? What the percentages? Not much.

And I think that we really should have a lot more focus on there. I think there’s going to be amazing things that we’re going to find that will help humanity. Just look at the jungles we haven’t explored yet, and every time they go into these jungles, they find new medicines that are able to help us and heal us. Well, that’s what I’m saying. That’s why I watch those trail cams.

Our forests are full of creatures I’ve never seen, and I see them on trail cams. I don’t know. The world is a strange and wacky place, man, and it’s a huge mystery to me. But the Bible says, as above, so below. So could we, theoretically, if we were to explore the oceans, find the same thing there as we see in space? I don’t know if you’ve ever seen that submarine.

There was a man, and you could look this up, but my audience can Google it. I forgot his name. Like, three days later, he went down in a submarine and found another body of water at the bottom of this ocean. And they tapped on it with the submarine, and they were like, what is this? There was clams growing out of it and everything. It was like a lake at the bottom of the ocean.

Like, how do you explain that? The minute he came out and started going on the news and telling people about it, Guy is gone. That, to me, says there’s something dimensional here. It could be easy. Layers of existence, layers of realms, layers of dimensions. So as above, so below. Are we living in a holographic universe? Is it multidimensional? All these questions are in my just it’s incredible. And I just want to say, Joe Joseph, thank you so much for joining me.

I hope my audience sorry for interrupting you a ton. I’m just very confused on all this, but I appreciate you coming on. And where can people find you? You can find me at my website, www. ceforeresearch. com. Like number four or spell number four. Number four. C E four research. C E four research. Correct. And that’s your book? That’s my book. Piercing the cosmic veil. Piercingthecosmic Veil. And they can get that on your website or on Amazon? You can get that on Amazon.

Wow. Well, I’m going to answer a lot of these questions that you talked about here. Even the idea that could we be alone out there, when you really look at the science view of this, of could we be alone, so many scientists are already seeing the problem with the ODS of something else being out there. The scientists estimate that there’s 4. 9 to times ten to the 191st power of possibility that we were accidental on this Earth.

So with vast numbers of ODS that we accidentally came about on this planet, just think about that times ten to the 191st. Those are so many zeros, we can’t even comprehend that this was accidental. So the chances are not that we were accidental. Yeah. That we’re not accidental. Right. I agree with that. More and more scientists are saying that the idea that we’re accidental is not happening. So the idea for those that believe we’re accidental to think that there’s life out there on another planet, you have to double those ODS.

That makes it incomprehensible to think that there’s something else out there. If it’s based on we came about random, you’d have to multiply that times the space out there right. Which is infinite as far as they say. So then those ODS shrink. Those ODS would have to shrink. Those ODS would have to shrink down to where that could be probable. There’s more life out there. It still has to double what we are, though, just for one.

Okay, well, and this is scientists are already finding problems with the big Bang theory because of this new telescope we have up there, the James Webb telescope. It’s blowing their minds on the idea of the big bang. They’re having to rethink the whole big bang. Can I ask you why it’s blowing their minds? Like, what are they finding? That’s contrary. A lot of the theories that were based, that were foundational for the big bang, a lot of the things they’re seeing through the James Webb and there’s so much involved in that.

I just started to explore that. That’s still a fascinating part of space to me, is they’re starting to see that things don’t match their theory that built the idea of the big bang. They’re having to rethink a lot of their stuff that they’re looking at, but they still believe the. Universe is ever expanding. Correct. It still is. That it is. So it has to come from a single point.

Correct. But keep in mind, something cannot come from nothing. That’s the problem that they’re dealing with. So that would have to have come from God or yeah, they’re looking at this thing looks like a design. And I believe that. I believe this is a design by a brilliant creator. Joe, thank you so much for coming on. I’ll be premiering this this weekend, tonight or tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you, Nina, for asking the big question.

I probably missed a bunch that my audience is going to be pissed off about, but I can only do so, hey, this is why I love your show. You’re willing to ask those questions that most people just walk. Yeah. I don’t even care how stupid they sound. I just have to ask them because that might lead to a brilliant question. I don’t know exactly. So. Thanks, Joe. I appreciate you.

And you’re welcome to come on my show anytime you want. I’m sure my audience will have questions for you. So if they do, are you also willing to debate somebody? If they were like, I want to debate them about the flat earth or I want to debate them about or you don’t want to waste your time with that? No, I don’t waste my time with someone. But you’re willing to take questions from the audience? Sure, I’ll take beautiful.

I remember Ollie North. I know what to say. If I don’t have an answer, I don’t. I appreciate you, Joe. Thank you so much, man. Thank you for your time. God bless you. Okay. Thank you, nino. God bless. Thank you. .