Summary
➡ The text discusses the idea of “Esoteric Trumpism,” viewing Donald Trump not just as a political figure, but as a symbol of significant global change. The author believes that Trump’s influence extends beyond the U.S., impacting the Western world and inspiring a wave of traditionalism. The author hopes that Trump can use his power to support patriotic forces worldwide, leading to a more multipolar world where countries like the U.S. focus more on internal issues rather than being the world’s policeman. The author also suggests that Western Europe should stop being dependent on the U.S. and focus on its own problems.
➡ The text discusses the conflict between the elite and the common people, suggesting that the elite are working against the interests of the people. It also talks about the idea of empire and imperialism, arguing that while imperialism has negative connotations, the concept of empire can be positive, uniting different ethnicities and cultures under one rule. The text also suggests that the U.S. and Russia are both empires in their own ways, and that a true multiculturalism, where different cultures can practice their own traditions, should be encouraged. Finally, it discusses the different views of time in traditionalist and modernist visions, with traditionalists seeing time in relation to eternity and modernists seeing the past as something to be discarded.
➡ The text discusses the idea of ‘archaeo-futurism’, which combines respect for the past with embracing technology and progress. It criticizes liberals for disregarding the past and suggests that to move forward morally, we must consider our history. The text also discusses the role of Elon Musk in this movement, praising his visionary ideas and his plans to make humanity a multi-planetary civilization. It concludes by emphasizing the need for mankind to grow and explore beyond Earth, while also acknowledging potential dangers such as meteorites.
➡ The text discusses the importance of colonizing Mars as a backup plan for potential ecological disasters on Earth. It criticizes the wasteful spending of governments on wars and illegal immigration, suggesting that these funds could be better used for space programs. The text also discusses the political landscape in Germany, focusing on the rise of the Alternative for Deutschland (AfD) party and the challenges it faces due to the coalition system. Lastly, it mentions the importance of freedom of speech and criticizes censorship in Germany, while also promoting the author’s work and publications.
➡ It was a pleasure to have this conversation and appreciate the book and research. The guest was thankful for the invitation and felt honored to be part of it.
Transcript
Hey, gang. It’s me, Dr. Steve. And as we enter into the dawn of what many are calling a new golden age, you may have noticed that Trump is being spoken of in rather mythic terms. Right? Sylvester Stallone recently called him the George Washington of our times. Or when he entered into Madison Square Garden for the UFC fights, even CNN commentators were likening him to a conquering Caesar returning to the Coliseum with his political gladiators. And of course, we for years have had the God Emperor memes all over social media. But what if this isn’t just a bunch of hyperbole or tabloid like exaggeration and embellishment? What if all of this symbolism is actually pointing to.
To something far deeper, a very ancient, profound, and indeed eternal reality? Well, joining me today is the international political and cultural commentator, Constantin van Hofmeister. Konstantin is the editor in chief of Arktos Publishing, and he’s the author of a brilliant and very insightful book called Esoteric Trumpism, which you can get by just clicking on the link below. And as well as access Konstantin’s equally enriching substack, of which I am a subscriber. You’ll love it. Konstantin, welcome. Great to see you again, my friend. Well, thank you for having me, Dr. Steve. I appreciate it. Well, it’s my honor to have you.
And wow. Things have certainly changed since we last met several months back. And yet, as you talk about in your book, at a deeper level, a more mystical level, what happened in November was really just a manifestation of far more epochal forces. So first, let’s talk more about the. Let’s stay at the superficial level, as it were. You’ve been a student of American politics for years now. What’s your assessment? What’s your take on what happened in November? Well, I think what happened in November is that we were completely vindicated and the mainstream media was again exposed for what it is.
It’s basically fake news, right? Because they’ve been trying to convince us before the election that Trump had no chance. You know, like you had the, the Iowa poll, you know, that made everybody really nervous. Just one example, which was all fake also. And while here I’m, I’m here in Germany, in Europe, it was even worse in the US like, like the German media went completely berserk, you know, like in their pro Kamala campaign. And they kept saying that Trump has no chance and Kamala is leading all the polls. And even the German politicians were saying like, we can’t wait for election night to be over because then we will finally have a woman of color in power who respects everybody, etc.
Right. And, and these are the same people that now have to work to have to work with Trump somehow. So. Yeah. Well, it’s truly amazing. And it was nail biting suspense for me. Of course, election night. I mean, I didn’t sleep all night because it’s like, because of the time difference. It’s like six hours later here. So it was in the middle of the night for me. But of course I had to watch like everything. And when it was finally revealed, like it was not just a victory for Trump, but a complete landslide. Like he completely crushed Kamala, basically, and the Democrats, I was like, wow.
Like, it’s like a nuclear blast, basically. I was, I was, I was really elated, ecstatic, Very, very happy. You, you mentioned you’re, you’re six hours ahead. We were talking earlier. You know, my son is, is in Athens studying and, and I remember getting a text. It was about 2am Our time and it was right after they called Pennsylvania and so it must have been. I forget where, where Greece is six, seven hours ahead or so. And he, he just texted me right around my time to am dad, did Trump just win? Did he just win? I said, yes, son, he just won.
If he won Pennsylvania, he won this election. There is no way he’s losing it because he’ll get Alaska and he’ll get Idaho and all I know just all, all fall into place. And of course he won all seven swing states. But yes, I, so I had my own European connection that night as well. Live for you guys who’s bright early in the morning. But it was, it was an amazing moment. And I love how you say it. I think that word is is so spot on. Vindicated. We were talking earlier, you know, every once in a while, I mean, I don’t know, maybe it’s just the, the luxury of the library or something.
Every once in a while I wonder, am I, am I Totally off. You know, all these scholars on my read that I’m reading, maybe we’re all just kind of off in the world and the world really is going in a different direction. It’s not. It’s not archaeo future. It’s not. It’s modernity and progressivism and liberalism isn’t collapsing. Maybe it’s getting strong. Maybe I’m messing up. I’ll just have those moments of fear and doubt. And like you said, I mean, November 5th, that was, that was. I will never have doubt again. That was it. That was the moment I said, I realized, we got this.
The world is moving in the direction that our channel’s been talking about. Your publishing house, Octos and your writings have been talking about Alexander Dugan, have been talking about now, you guys, for decades. Us for the last eight years. It is, it was vindication and it’s exhilarating. I completely agree. I think, I think Donald Trump is an instrument of history, personally. And because you have these figures that appear in certain times in history that basically usher in sort of paradigm change. And I think we live in these times right now. Like, I can see. Yeah, sorry, I can keep.
Yeah, I can see. I can see the Overton window shifting to the right, to more conservative values right in front of my eyes, like, like in real time. Like, like every day I read some article like, for example, Walmart getting rid of. Getting rid of the gay propaganda basically in their stores. And then Bezos from Amazon trying to be friends with Trump all of a sudden. So you can see even the corporations are changing their tunes, obviously because they know where the wind is blowing now. And this is a real paradigm shift. And I think Trump is more than just a man, more than just a person, and more than a president even.
I think he’s a force of history. He was basically installed by the forces that propel history onwards as an instrument of change. Right. You could, one could almost argue is he’s a divine instrument basically for positive change. And I think, sorry, oh, the German philosopher in the, in the 1920s, he wrote a book called the Decline of the west, which was very influential at the time and is sort of influential today even. And so he basically predicted over 100 years ago that the west or Western civilization would fall, basically would collapse. And, well, we are witnessing the collapse, obviously.
We’re in the middle of the collapse, and that’s 100 years after Spengler. So it’s a lot worse than what he witnessed, of course, because the times that he lived in, we would consider Pretty healthy compared to what the times we live in now with the trans propaganda, LGBTQ plus, whatever the letter people, propaganda, BLM riots, etc, antifar attacks and so on. So Oswald Spengler said, during times of decline, we have the age of the Caesars. Right. So basically he said, during the decline of the west, strong men will rise and they will try to. To stem the tide, basically.
Yeah. And these people are like Caesar space, like you yourself said in your previous podcasts. And I think Trump is one of these. One of these strong men. He’s a Caesar figure, basically. And he. He exudes an aura and an influence that goes way beyond this person. Yes, absolutely. I mean, he’s attracting, you know, some of the brightest, richest minds on the planet around him, which is so. Yeah, it’s so telling. That’s a great segue into my next question, because I featured your book on a video I did on what analysts were saying about Trump after his landslide win and particularly his entrance into Madison Square Garden.
What are basically our modern equivalents of gladiator events? Right. The UFC and the like. And, and when I heard commentators speaking about Trump in these kind of mythic terms, I immediately thought of your book, Esoteric Trumpism, because I think you’ve got a very compelling and unique perspective on Trump and the historical moment he represents. And if I could. Yeah. Just for our listeners, here’s something you wrote about a month before this election, and that’s what, again, keep in mind, vindication. That’s a beautiful term there. This is what Constantine wrote a month, I believe, in October. Esoteric Trumpism is a profound, almost mystical interpretation of Donald Trump’s political journey, situating him not merely within the framework of contemporary politics, but as a figure of cosmic and world historical significance.
It’s a beautiful, beautiful sentence, beautiful prose. Can you, can you develop. I mean, you were getting into it with Oswald Spengler there. Can you do develop that a bit for us? Well, I think I’m more. I’m more interested in Trump as a symbol and Trumpism as a movement than Trump the man, because I think the whole phenomenon transcends the person of Trump. And I think he has started something that even he himself cannot fully control, in my opinion. And it is a very. It’s. It’s like a positive wave of traditionalism that is now engulfing not just the United States, with many people positively becoming infected by this, but also the Western world at large, because I think that patriotic forces in Europe are very, very much influenced by what is happening in the United States.
Because for better or worse, the United States is still the leader of the West. So it still has the most influence. And, well, it was really bad during the Biden administration, of course, the influence. But if you have a person like Trump in power and his administration, it will be a force for good, of course. So a lot of people will feel encouraged and will also feel the support, hopefully, of the Trump administration. Because now you have. I know, for example, what happened in Romania, right? Like, they canceled the election. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Completely crazy. So you have this.
It’s basically like a Romanian Trump, right? And he was going to win the presidential election. And then just one night before the election, the baker says, okay, we’re going to cancel the election. We’re going to start over. Because there were some. There was Russia, Russia, Russia. Interference. Exactly. I was going to say they didn’t just cancel the election. They found the boogeyman. Of course. Vladimir Putin. Yeah, yeah. So what I hope is, when I talk about world historical force, is that Trump can use his power, the power of the United States, for patriotic reasons, by helping patriotic forces all over the world.
Not as an inspiration, but also practically, I mean, giving active support to people who on the European continent follow his line of thought and his line of action, basically. And I think. I think it will happen. I feel very optimistic. I haven’t. I haven’t felt this optimistic in a long time. So. And this is why I think he’s an instrument, Trump, he’s an instrument of destiny, of fate, to change the west for the better, to turn the west around, to make not just America great again, but make Western civilization great again, to bring it back on the world map, to lead basically humanity to much, much, much brighter times.
It is stunning what’s happened on the. On the global map since November 5th. I mean, in your own backyard. Olaf Schultz government just collapsed. And of course, France’s government is. Is in tatters. Justin Trudeau here. And just to our great White north, he’s. He’s hanging on by a thread. I’m curious, what do you see from a geopolitical vantage point now? What do you see as the future of particularly Western Europe, which, I mean, let’s be blunt. I mean, like you said, I mean, just since. Since World War II, I mean, Western Europe’s just. Just been nothing more than basically a vassal, the United States.
So if. If Trump successfully dismantles the liberal international order, the way he at least started in his first term and the way he seems to want to finish in his second, where does Western Europe Go from there. Well, what I would like to see is the whole concept of multipolarity, which the great Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin talks about in great detail in his works. I want to come. Sorry, I want to see multipolarity to come into real fruition, to flourish, basically. And I think it will happen. It will at least start happening under Trump, because I think Trump wants to make America great again.
And to make America great again, you have to extricate America from all these conflicts that it is currently engaged in which the United States doesn’t even benefit from. And the average American person definitely doesn’t benefit from all. From all these conflicts that are going on right now that America is engaged in. So America has to stop being the world’s policeman. And I think Trump feels the same way from what he says, it is quite clear. So if Trump focuses more on internal problems like fighting crime, stopping illegal immigration, building up the infrastructure inside the United States, we will possibly see a sort of return to America’s isolationist nature, which you basically had in the past until maybe World War I and definitely World War II.
Right? So I think America, I would like to see America become more isolationist, focus on itself, so that the world can develop along different poles. Because before we only had one pole, we had the United States as a hyper power which basically bossed everybody around. And nobody really stand up to the US because no country was strong enough. But this is not the case anymore because in terms of foreign policy, the United States has very much been weakened. And other Poles like the Russian Federation, China, the Islamic world, India, have risen. So in the future, we would like to see a world where America and the west as a whole stops imposing its way of life on other cultures.
Because if the west wants to be liberal or even democratic, free elections and all that stuff, it’s fine, of course, for the West. But it should not force other countries like the Islamic world or even China to accept this way of life if they don’t like it and if it is. And especially. And especially Constantine, with the fact, like you mentioned with Romania or even what we were seeing here with all the lawfare and so forth, when we don’t even live up to those ideals all the time. Well, it’s pure hypocrisy. That’s a whole other discussion, right? I mean, the hypocrite trying to ban the AfD in Germany, for heaven’s sake.
But that’s what they do all the time, right? They can win elections through fair means. They manipulate them, but then they blame The Russians, when they do it. Right. So, I mean, that’s what happens. So this is what I want to see. And what I want to see for Western Europe is I want to see Western Europe stop being the United States lap dog, basically. Right. Which it is right now, because, like, especially my country, Germany, it’s a 100% American fossil state. It’s completely, it’s neither, it’s neither free nor sovereign. It’s still occupied. It’s been occupied since 1945.
You have countless American soldiers on German soil, American military bases. You have American nuclear weapons stored under the earth in Germany. So what should happen is that Europe, I mean, and ideally NATO should stop existing. Right, Because NATO serves no purpose anymore. NATO existed to fight the Soviets or protect Europe from the Soviets. The Soviets don’t exist anymore. You don’t have the Soviet threat anymore. So what is the purpose, purpose of NATO? It’s basically an imperialist project dominated by the United States, of course, like the weapons manufacturers, etc. So what should happen is NATO should be dissolved, and I hope Trump follows through with less support for NATO and hopefully even dissolving NATO.
So Europe will not be defended by the United States anymore. So Europe also will be forced to focus on its own problem and also will be more isolationist, just like a future United States. They can build up their own army, their own defense, focus on their own culture, infrastructure without constantly not having to spend billions of dollars on the military because they know Big Brother United States is on their soil protecting them. Right, right, right. No, I, I couldn’t agree with you more. I do. I mean, you mentioned Alexander Dugan. I mean, he’s been talking about Trump really signifying this very civilizationalist, like world that’s rising.
The particularly American version of it, how he, he really does represent at least the potentiality of the awakening of an entirely new world order. It’s very interesting because, you know, he said, he’s been saying a lot now. You know, he’s, he seemed to have had a real spiritual experience very much akin to what you write about in esoteric Trumpism after July 13th, where he, he feels like he was, it was, it was a divine intervention, that his life was spared so that he can save the nation. But sometimes you’ll catch him even saying, in effect, so I can save the world, and you get this sense of, well, he’s not, at least from what we could tell, he’s not an imperialist.
He’s not interested in, in tapping into globalism. He’s not, he doesn’t. Want to tap into the very forces that tried to, you know, basically destroy him. It seems like saving the world is about just like what you said, sort of igniting these nationalist populist forces that totally redefine right and left. It’s no longer this kind of horizontal right and left. It’s, it’s, it’s vertical. It’s the people versus this, this corrupt political class that rules for its own power and its own affluence. It seems, it seems like he’s, he’s, he’s awakening that in a way that is changing.
It’s changing the world order like we’ve not seen probably since World War II. Well, I completely agree with you. It is basically the elite versus the people, right? And the elite is literally hostile towards the people. The elite is working against the interests of the people. So you have the establishment, you have the people who are in charge in the government, in the media, in entertainment, etc. And everything they do and everything they propagate is anti life. It is anti nativism. It is basically directed against the interests and the health of the population at large. And this establishment is international.
I think it is globalist. So it is not just the American elite or the European elite. I think it is just. The elite is the establishment. They have no roots. No. They don’t feel, they don’t feel any attachment to their countries into which they were born. They don’t feel any loyalty to the people that they are meant to rule or govern. Right. Instead, they enrich themselves. They follow strange satanic ideologies, which I believe they propagate not only because it is in their interest, but they probably sincerely believe in these ideologies. And, yeah, and, and they’re, they’re possessed, deluded, or simply crazy.
I mean, it could be any of them or a combination, but they’re definitely, definitely, definitely inherently evil, basically. And they’re the enemy of the people. So if you have a person like Trump, when he says that it was divine intervention that saved him, I almost believe it, because he is an instrument that something has to change, something has to give. And this is why he was spared. And this is also why he won the election, because now he start implementing a New World Order. And when I talk about New World Order, I mean, I don’t mean the globalist world, a positive, a positive spiritual New World Order, because even like Alexander Dugin keeps saying, like, spiritual matters supersede material matters.
And this is what we should focus on. So, yeah, I want to see it implemented. Yeah, maybe we should Trump can do it. Maybe we should call it. We should call it a renewed world order as opposed to new world order. Right? Yeah, so what, so what I think is, what I think could happen in the United States and also in Europe and Russia. Because you have like this idea of empire and imperialism. But then I think you have to differentiate the idea of empire and imperialism. Right. Because the idea of empire itself, in my opinion, is inherently positive.
Yes. Because you have the Holy Roman Empire in the Middle Ages. You have the Russian Empire in its various incarnations from the traditional Russian empire. Then you have the Soviet Union, which was still an empire, and the Russian Federation, which is basically also still an empire. Meaning it is a very, very large construct with many different ethnicities living within it. But it is not the same as the multicultural melting pot that the liberals propagate. Because the liberals, they want one giant nation like the United States. They want to import as many incompatible people as possible and make everybody the same, basically.
Right. Like the consumer, everyman, so to speak. Also, what I would like to say, when we talk about imperialism, usually on the left as well as on the right, it has negative connotations. Right. People always say imperialism is bad because now you have the imperialism of the United States, meaning it’s. Or, or the west in general is trying to force its way of life and its institutions on the rest of the world, like make the world safe for democracy, so to speak. Right. We have to, we have to, we have to bomb and attack other countries to save them from themselves.
Right, okay. To, to, to, to, to bring them feminism and gay rights and all that stuff. Because they need it. Right. So you’re gonna, you’re gonna have democracy whether you like it or not. Exactly. Right. So, so this is the, this is, this is really, really bad, negative side of imperialism. Right. But you, I think you need to separate the word imperialism from the word empire. Because the word empire, in my opinion, has positive connotations, especially if you look at, say, European history. You had the Holy Roman Empire. Yes. And the Holy Roman Empire existed for hundreds of years.
And it was a large imperial construct that united many different peoples, many different ethnicities and languages under sort of one umbrella. But this empire was an anti materialist empire because it followed the medieval ideology of focusing on the immortality of the human soul, which was for these people of prime importance and which, in my opinion, should become the most important thing again, because what is more beautiful and what is more important than the salvation and the immortality of the human soul? Nothing really, if you think about it. And if you look, if you can compare the United States and Russia, United States is also an empire, in my opinion, because it’s a very large construct.
It is, it is multi ethnic, multi confessional, many, many different peoples and races living together. But the American liberal ideology wants to make all these people the same because it’s a very materialist culture. It wants to make everybody like the perfect consumer type. Right, right, right. Easily replaced. You could, you could contrast this with the Russian Federation, because Russia has basically always been an empire. It was never a nation state. I mean, you had the Russian, the classic Russian empire. Then you have the Soviet Union, which was still an empire, and now you have the Russian Federation, which in my opinion is still an imperial construct.
Like, would you, would you, would you compare it akin to a civilization state? Like. Yeah, well, basically a civilization, say it’s just a modern term for empire. It’s the same thing. There you go. It just, it just sanitizes it. It makes it easier. Yeah, but it really is the same thing. Yeah. That’s what multipolarity is all about. Because in the future you will have different empires basically celebrating their own traditions, their own cultures and their own way of life. But in my opinion, if you have an empire, I mean, like, like a large, like a large area under centralized rule with different ethnicities or different peoples living within it, you need ethnopluralism.
Right. And that’s very important. And I think multipolarity and ethnopuralism basically go hand in hand. Right. You can’t have one without the other. Yeah. Ethnopuralism means you have different. Different ethnicities, different races, different nations, different languages, religions within one state, basically, or state civilization, as you so aptly stated. But you have to give each of these groups or tribes or peoples their own autonomous space where they can live according to their culture, their tradition, with their language without too much interference. Yes, right, right. No, absolutely. And I think America should, should also, I mean, not revert to this model because they’ve never really practiced it.
But then maybe they should use this model in the future as well. Because. Because America will never become majority white again or homogeneous country. It’s simply, it’s not realistic. Right. And you still want to respect all the different peoples that live within your country, and you shouldn’t force them to become what they’re not. There’s no reason why they cannot practice their own tradition. You’re basically arguing for a true multiculturalism. Yes. A very healthy, true, very ancient multiculturalism and the like. There’s something interesting There, because one of the key differences between the traditionalist vision of the world and the modernist vision is how they exemplify two very different conceptions of time.
So whereas the traditionalist sees time always in relation to eternity, which is clearly what you’re doing here in your book, where the past is considered essential for the present to allow for human flourishing in the future. So past, present and future all are bound together by tradition and its vision of eternity. Modernists see the past as something to be thrown away. It’s ignorant, it’s irrelevant. Or now, through its woke lens, it’s racist, it’s bigoted, it’s all kinds of phobic. And you have a very interesting chapter here on Trump and a concept we talk a lot about called archaeo futurism, advocated by the French theorist Guillaume Fi, who we talked about earlier, that you knew that you were able to hang out with and chat with and study under, as it were.
But I have to say, Constantine, it really seems to me now, with Elon Musk in the misk. In the. In the midst now of Trump and the rise of the new tech, right, like Vivek and J.D. vance and Peter Thiel, it’s really foregrounding the Maga movement as a very real archaeo future moment. Can you flesh that out for us a bit? Well, first of all, I have to say I agree with you 100%. You’re absolutely correct here. I also think that the new Trump administration is archaeo futurist at heart. And when you say that the liberals don’t care about the past.
Yes, it’s also true. Right. Because they’re trying to blackwash our past, basically. I mean, it’s the same. I mean, it’s in the United States as well as in Europe. Like your ancestors were criminals, they were colonizers, I know, slaveholders, Nazis, fascists, et cetera. Right? Like nothing good about your ancestors. Forget about your ancestors. Right. Well, this is. This is literally evil, if you ask me. Right? Because you exist because of your ancestors. Right? And if you don’t respect your ancestors, you cannot respect yourself. Right? So liberals have no self respect, in my opinion. I mean, that’s really how it is.
So if you want to advance in any way or form in a moral fashion, then you have to take the past into account. And this is exactly what Guillaume Fais archaeofuturism does because many people on the right especially condemn technology. Right? They say it’s evil, it’s bad AI. You know, it’s. It’s going to turn us into robots or cyborgs. Like, we should reject it. Right. So they’re sort of. They sort of have this Luddite mentality. Yes, Luddite, yep. Yeah. And. And Guillaume F. And I myself find this a bit problematic. And the reason why I think it’s problematic is because it’s totally unrealistic, because the genie is already out of the bottle.
The genie being technology. You cannot put it back in and it will never go away. Artificial intelligence will not go away. It will continue to develop. Whether you like it or not, it doesn’t matter. Right. And because technology is here to stay, the same with people love making fun of Elon Musk and his plans to colonize Mars. I personally love the idea. Yeah. It goes back to Russian cosmism. Right. Nikolai Fyodorov and. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Russian cosm. And also the Faustian nature of Western man. Right. Because. Yes. Constantly explore and develop. Yes, yes. Well, it goes back.
I mean, Columbus and the Vikings before him that came to America, why did they do this? Because they have the drive to always go further, to explore. Because it’s there, Cosmos is there, we have to go there. The planets are there, we must colonize. And it’s just the way it is. And I respect it, and Musk respects it, yet they respect the soul of Western civilization, basically, which is Faustian in nature, by nature. And so Guillaume F Says, because we cannot put the genie back into the bottle, we must basically. Like almost similar to what Julius Evola said.
Right. We must ride the tiger. Because civilization might be very decadent and bad, etc, but we cannot change it, we must ride it. Right. So. And Guillaume Phi is basically saying not just to write it, not to write it out, but write it in a sense. We have to harness it, we have to control it, we cannot reject it, we have to embrace it. But at the same time we have to bring it under our control in accordance with our conservative and traditionalist values. Right, right. And he. Yeah, Guillaume FAI gave a good example. He basically said that all the rockets, or a lot of the rockets and spaceships that were sent out, I mean, bear the names of Greek gods, basically.
Right, yeah, exactly. I mean, so, so they bear. I mean, because they’re. They’re basically symbols of our civilization, of our path, you know, and, and. And Greek civilization has pro. Had. Has had probably the biggest influence on the West. Yes. And that’s why it’s so important to basically reach back to your roots, use the positive values that your ancestors taught, that your ancestors practice, implement them in the present and also fuse them with technology to create what he called an archaea futurist society. Society, but a society at the same, but not just forward looking like the liberals, but forward looking forward looking while at the same time respecting the past.
Basically seeing yourself in a long line of progression. You’re just one small part of it. A lot of people were before you and a lot of people will come after you. And the fascinating part is if, if eternity plays the key role in your worldview and your understanding, the closer you get, I mean the, the, the more advanced you get, the close closer you get to sort of the nature of reality, the closer you get to your origins because, because it’s Alpha and Omega. It’s, it’s the same eternity. The beginning is the end, the end is the beginning.
So progress always involves return. You know, it’s interesting because I found in my research a very interesting link between Elon Musk and, and Russian cosmism, the cosmos of Nikolai Fyodorov in the way of a fellow named. Do you know Konstantin Sokolovsky, the, the, the Russian rocket engineer? Yes, I’m, I’m quite familiar with him. I even took a picture in front of his monument in Moscow. Oh, wonderful. Okay, wonderful. This is good. So gang, this is why I love talking to people like Constantine because they know all this stuff’s amazing. But he must quoted Sokolsky apparently Sokolsky is, has been quite influential in, in the thinking of, of Elon Musk.
So he likes to, he’s tweeted him out and so forth. I’m curious, what do you see? How do you see Musk’s role in all of this? Is he, is he sort of like. Do you see him as sort of the. Ironically the propelling figure of this archaeophys future moment? Yeah, I see like a modern day Howard Hughes almost. Yeah. Because he has, he has really, he has really grand visions. I think he’s the, he’s the visionary aspect of the Trump administration and, and golden age that we’re entering, which you yourselves often talk about and which I also of course agree with.
I think Elon Musk is a visionary. He’s almost, he’s almost like a prophetic figure because of what he plans to achieve and the dreams that he has for mankind. Because he is a very optimistic person that simply exudes positive energy and you can just watching him on TV or on X when he talks about stuff, I mean he just really, he seems to me a very, very honest, straight, outspoken person. I See, nothing nefarious or I don’t know, or even shifty about him. Right. Like with some of these liberals, when you watch him talk, like Kamala and Obama, you know, it’s like everything’s sort of like fake and you just don’t know, like, is it true what you’re saying? Like with Musk, I really think he really believes what he’s saying.
And what he’s saying is just very optimistic because. Because he’s saying that we have to open a new chapter, not just for the United States, but for mankind, because mankind must become a multi planetary civilization if it doesn’t want to die out. And. Well, of course he’s right. And I think his role is very important, especially because he’s so close to Donald Trump. And Donald Trump really seems to like him. Like, they really seem to get along. So it’s a really, really powerful partnership because Donald Trump is a very realistic man. And as we all know, I know he doesn’t beat about the Bush.
Right. So. And neither does Elon Musk. Neither does Elon Musk, actually. And I think together they can achieve great things because Trump has the political power and Musk has a technological prowess to make it happen. Yes. So I think it’s beautiful symbiosis. It’s a beautiful symbiosis. I think you’re absolutely right with that. It’s also very interesting the way Musk is tapping into populism and particularly techno populism, the way technology is emancipating and liberating populations from the old modernist industrial globalized structures and institutions. So you think of the way X is replacing the legacy media, or the way bitcoin and crypto are emancipating populations from the old sort of Bretton woods, post World War II financial system.
Musk seems very intent on launching a new chapter in our civilizational development. Yes. And the new chapter is that we have to leave this planet and we have to start civilization on other planets because we’ve been stuck on this planet for too long. Even according to Musk. We have to, basically. I mean, it’s fine to be in a grid. I mean, it’s fine to be in your baby carriage or on the crib for a while when you’re a baby. But when you’re grown up, you need to get out, basically. There you go. That’s the quote. Yeah, that’s the great quote.
Yeah, exactly. And man, mankind has already grown up and mankind needs to leave this planet and needs to colonize other planets. Well, because Elon Musk pointed it out. Right. There are many dangers that could happen, like from, from meteorites. It could just wipe out everything, basically. Could. I mean, and we don’t have any real protection against meteorites or any kind of ecological disaster. Maybe nuclear war could happen, theoretically. Right. So it’s always good to have a backup right somewhere. Yes. And this is why it’s so important to colonize Mars, because a lot of people say, no, we need to focus on Earth and, and save the environment and, and the climate and, you know, and what’s the point? And it’s stupid and silly and a waste of money.
It’s like all the money that the governments waste in the, especially in the west on, on illegal immigration. It’s billions and billions of. Hundreds. Yeah, hundreds of billions. And all the useless wars that are being fought, like I might like in Afghanistan, they, they spend trillions of dollars. Trillions. It’s. I mean, with that kind of money, if you had put this into a proper space program, wonderful things could have been achieved. Yeah. So I really think it’s time for people like Trump to turn things around and focus on things that are important, but also direct the money to things that are actually important for us people, mankind.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. One, one question for you, for your own backyard there. You know, as you know, you and I talked about this back when we were in Vegas together. The AfD, the alternative for Deutschland. They are. They’re polling now, as I see it, as the number two party. They’re even about. They’re polling ahead of the Social Democrats. Looks like you’re going to have a snap election. If eastern Germany had its way, AfD would be the ruling party. I know you’ve talked about possibly even eastern Germany splitting off. What do you see as the Future for the AfD? Do you, do you think they can ever overcome the cdu, given the politics of Germany right now? Well, in Germany, it’s very difficult because you have the coalition system.
So even in a state like Thuringia, and Thuringia is actually the only state in Germany where the AfD is number one, actually got almost 40%. But it still cannot rule because all the other parties enter into a coalition against the AfD. So. Yeah, right, yeah. So you have the AfD with 40, then you have a bunch, then you have all the other parties. Yeah, exactly. Social Democrats, the Green Party. And normally like, say the Green Party and the Social Democrats, they hate each other’s guts, but they will enter into a coalition. Just hate the AFP more.
Yeah, yeah. And it’s, and this is like what you were saying earlier, this is a prime example of the real anti democratic nature of these, of these Western governments, because they’re basically ignoring the will of the people. So if 40% of people vote for one particular political party, in my opinion, means that these people pretty much agree. Well, in Italy. Yeah. In Italy, that’s all you need is 40%. Yeah, exactly. What these political part, what this political party stands for. But by refusing to work together with it, with the AfD, I mean, they openly say this on TV.
We will never, ever work with the AfD. We will never agree with anything they say. We won’t do anything with them. But this is what the people want. A very large percentage. But the people are being ignored. The people are being ignored because the AfD, the AfD, the AfD’s policies or plans go against the strategies of the globalists, basically. Right? They, the AFD wants to, to combat, to, to combat the likes of Soros, basically. Yeah, yeah. It’s the MAGA of Germany, the mgga. It is, it is the MAGA of Germany and they’re friends of Trump and I.
Elon Musk says positive things about the AFD all the time. Yeah. And the German, German media, they go crazy when he does this. I mean, when he posts pro, when he retweets their stuff and comments on it and, and tells the truth about Germany because. And they call for the censorship, of course, of, of X here in Germany because there’s no freedom of speech in Germany. Like, always have to be very careful what I say. I cannot speak freely because in the back of my mind I always have to think like, can I say this? If I say is what might happen to me? Right.
There are certain topics I cannot touch. Right. There are certain things I cannot say. And, but it’s, but it’s so, so complex. People are getting very paranoid. It’s very Orwellian, because people don’t actually know anymore what is allowed really. What can I say? What can’t I say? You know, so they’re always very agitated. Are they going to be able to continue that, though? If, if so, if, if the Trump administration is able to roll back the influence of, you know, NATO and the United States just basically calling the shots for Europe and the EU at this point, if they don’t have that support anymore, do you see a chance of that just sort of falling apart? That globalist monolith that’s just taken over Germany over these last decades? Yeah, I actually do see a chance because I watched an interview with JD Vance a couple of months ago in which she was talking about NATO and freedom of speech and X in particular.
And he was commenting on the fact that basically the German government or the German establishment wants to censor X. Right. Yeah. And J.D. i don’t remember his exact words, but J.D. vance basically said that, like, if our European partners want us to support them financially through NATO, then they should at least respect our values. And one of the most fundamental values that the United States holds is freedom of speech. Right. And if the Europeans don’t respect free speech, we should not support them anymore, neither financially nor militarily. And I. Well, I couldn’t agree more, of course.
So I really hope there will be a big change and that the Europeans will be somehow liberated from the chains that they pretty much have to endure. That’s so well said, gang. The book is called Esoteric Trumpism. I could talk to Constantine for hours, which actually we did when we were in Vegas. We had a wonderful time. We knew we hit it off immediately when we. When we met each other and we sat back and had a drink and just talked into the. Into the wee hours, as it were. Where can people go to keep up with your work? We’ll have some links below, but where would you like everyone to go? Well, I have my own personal substack in which I post articles.
I’m a member. I’m a member. Yeah, I’m a subscriber. Well, I’m very grateful for you. Thank you. Yeah, I post articles here, new articles about philosophical issues, issues relating to history, culture, from my perspective, usually like twice a week. It’s called Euro Siberia, named after one of Guillaume Phi’s concepts. Yes, that’s right. Yes. Yeah, that’s the concept of Euro Siberia because we’re talking about empires earlier and Guillaume FAI propag the idea of a great new European empire which would reach from. From Dublin in Ireland to Vladivostok on the Pacific. Right. That should be one empire. And he called it Euro Siberia.
It’s very beautiful vision, in my opinion. So it’s Euro Siberian. That is my personal substack. I’m also the editor in chief at Arctos Arctos Publishing. And Arctos is the. I would say, one of the most important new right. Traditionalist publishers. We publish a lot of influential authors, like we publish all the works. Becky Omfi in English translation, Julius Evola, Aladda Benoit, and a lot of modern authors. So. Alexander Dugan. Alexander Dugan. Oh, yeah, well, sorry, yeah. Alexander Dugin. We can’t let the Godfather we can’t leave him out. And even. We even published a book by his daughter a couple of weeks ago, Darius.
It’s called A Theory of Europe, which I also highly recommend. Yeah. And yeah, we are pretty much the only publisher of Alexandra Dugin in. In the English language. And we publish all of his books in English, which you can find on. Which you cannot find on Amazon because it’s been banned from Amazon. Alexander Dugin, you can find it in. In ar.comar.com shop you can find. Both Alexander Dugin and Guillaume5, by the way, are not available on Amazon. Amazon, but you can order them directly on the Arctos webshop. A lot of most of our other books you can also order on Amazon, including Esoteric Trumpism.
But arktos also has arctosjournal.com which is. Which is a substack, which I myself manage. You know, I’m the editor of this substack, so I choose articles from different authors from all over the world. We have translated pieces from French, Spanish, German. We have American writers. We have writers from the Muslim world, from China. So it’s very international, very eclectic. We post new articles daily, right? Usually usually like two, three articles per day. And I also have a podcast called Juri Siberia, which is also published on archivesjournal.com which I recommend everybody to watch. It’s wonderful, gang. Esoteric Trumpism by Constantine von Hofmeister makes an excellent Christmas gift for all the MAGA fans in your life.
Make sure to get click on the link below, get your own copy, and get a few for the friends and family as well. Constantine, it has been an honor to have you. I’ve been looking forward to this conversation for so long. I love your book, I love your scholarship, your research. Let’s have you back very, very soon. Thank you very much. I greatly appreciate you inviting me and it was a real honor for me to be here. It was our honor. Thank you, Konstantin.
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