➡ The text discusses the ease of starting a religious organization and obtaining tax-exempt status, highlighting the potential for misuse. It points out that any group, from a mega-church to a biker club, can register as a religious organization. The text also criticizes the commercialization of religion, with examples like churches offering paid parking spaces. It ends by questioning the definition of a church and criticizing religious leaders who live lavishly off donations.

➡ The text discusses the transformation of religious institutions into businesses, focusing on the story of a seminary in Brazil. Initially, the seminary was a self-sustaining community that didn’t ask for money and focused on teaching scripture to orphans. However, over time, it became more materialistic and started accepting money, losing its original spirit. The author argues that this shift is a common trend in modern churches, which compete with each other for congregants by offering better facilities and services, turning religion into a consumer-driven industry.

➡ The text discusses how some Christian churches have manipulated biblical teachings to justify asking for more money from their followers, often for personal gain or to fund projects not based on scripture. It criticizes the practice of exploiting people’s faith and generosity, especially during vulnerable times, and instilling fear to encourage more donations. The text also mentions a documentary series called “The Religion Business” that aims to expose these practices and push for federal reform. The series was delayed due to attempts to dilute its message, but the creators remained committed to telling the unaltered story.

➡ The speaker discusses his experiences with aggressive competitors and appreciates his business partners, Chris and Nathan, for their support in their upcoming project. They are working on a series about the religious business, which they hope will help people understand the original vision of America’s founding fathers. However, they’ve faced threats and potential harm due to their work, which challenges powerful institutions. They plan to continue their work with five more shows in the pipeline.

What’s up, folks? Welcome to Nino’s Corner tv. I am with Nathan and Chris and they’ve, they’re coming out with a docu series called the Religion Business. Now I have a huge Christian audience, guys. Just gonna let you know that right now, right off the get go. Catholic, Christian, the whole thing. Me personally, I believe God lives in here. Right? That’s, that’s right. That’s just where I’m at these days. I don’t go to any institution. I don’t go any brick and mortar building. Every now and then maybe I do, but the last one I went to, I’ll never forget it was a prosperity preacher in Roswell, New Mexico.

My friend took me to a Catholic or a Christian revival, right? And the guy’s sitting there going, I see a ten thousand dollar check. Someone’s writing a ten thousand dollar check right now. And I remember sitting there going, oh man, spare me, spare me this. But this is really everywhere. And these guys, oh, and he said, don’t judge me on my three piece Versace suit. You don’t judge me on my favorite color purple. He was wearing a purple Versace three piece suit. I’ll never forget that. And that was really the first time that I was like, you know what? I’m done with this.

I’m done with a lot of this, you know, and most services that I go to the first 10, 20 minutes is about giving to the church. Tithing. It’s all about tithing. And then these mega complexes, these mega churches. There’s one in El Paso, two huge mega complexes, video gaming for the kids. Drop your kids off at the, at the, at the daycare center where they can play video game. It’s just a joke to me. How do these guys drive Ferraris? How do they drive? How do they have private jets? You’re paying for that. Guys, welcome to Nino’s Corner.

I appreciate you both. Yeah, you know, thanks for having us. I’m excited to have this conversation and I think, I think your audience, I think your audience is going to like it because we’re not here to destroy faith or the idea of religion. We’re not even here to destroy giving. We’re actually here to encourage it. But we’re here to dissect the business model that’s been built on top of Christ and his teachings. And I think we’re going to drive a, a death stake right through the heart of it, to be honest, because we’ve been working on this for almost 13 years and we’ve got a lot of data Well, I, you know, I’ve noticed that when I, when I go to church and everyone always tells me go to church, go to church.

I like to go to Bible studies now. That’s what I’m getting the really for me the most out of my faith is I go to Bible studies now and, and it’s just for my own personal, my own personal well being and faith. But I can’t say I enjoy going to church anymore because it’s all the same. It’s the same old stuff. Stuff. It’s the same old give to the church, give to the church, give to the church. That’s all you hear. The whole sermon is mainly about giving, giving, giving. What made you guys even want to start on this journey and, and shine a light on this.

What kicked this off for you guys? Yeah, Chris, let’s flip it. Let’s have Chris go first because Chris and I have been working together for about three years. Chris is the executive producer of the show and he got involved. Well, I’ll let him tell his story. Chris, what was your angle on this? Yeah, so I grew up, grew up here in Texas as well too, in Dallas. I went to the Air Force Academy for undergrad, graduated, went to Iraq, did 64 combat missions there, cross commissioned into army, went into corporate America, grew, helped grow a business and I got to a place to where I was like, all right, I don’t want to, I don’t want to work for, I want to be able to speak the truth and, and, and, and be in that environment where I can.

So I wanted, I was, I was seeking environment where I could say what I wanted to say without having a board member, you know, board of a company come up to me and say, hey, you can’t say that. Well, I’m just speaking the truth, you know. So I got introduced to Nathan as a two time Emmy award winning filmmaker that he is and that he was working on this project called the religion business. And at that time, you know, Nathan was, Nathan had already been working on this for 10 years. And so I was, years, 10 years he had been working on this.

He had read a couple hundred books, interviewed a couple hundred people by this point in time, had read the Bible numerous times. And so I was very excited about this because the light that really struck me was all these resources are coming in. So when I, when I learned about this, I learned that $890 billion flows into the institutional Christian church from individual donors. And then in the US another 500 plus billion floods into the secular nonprofit sector. Those Dollars are fascinating. And then you see all these social, all the people starving, all the homelessness. It’s like, who’s solving this? Like, it was very much.

And then like when I learned that the system is so dark that secular nonprofit turns a Form 990 into an IR in the IRS where there’s some level of transparency, it’s not perfect, therefore there’s some accountability. The church, nothing. And then I learned that $53 billion annually gets stolen internally by church staff. I learned that only 6% ever leaves the institutional walls. And it just hit me like it’s because there’s no transparency in the system. And so that’s what really got me excited about this. It wasn’t just the short term aspect of let’s put this docu series together and we’re going to expose all these problems.

Nathan and I agreed that we needed to come up with a solution too. So the input that we’ve gotten from people over the years, the loopholes discovered in the 13 year process where all this fraud, waste, abuse in Uran happens, I was like, long term we’re going to be able to solve global social issues. That’s why we, we, we created a software app called Broken Shepherd. So I know I went quite a bit. It’s an exciting thing, but like real things will start getting solved once there’s transparency in the system. It’s intention. Yeah, yeah. I, you know, don’t.

Don’t the churches now have to. I mean, they don’t have to pay taxes. Right. But don’t they have to. Aren’t they all 501 C3s now or something in that category? Yeah, the government made it that way so they could start pushing their agendas as well into the church. Well, so that’s. That, that’s episode seven in the show. Okay, okay, I’m already there. Whether, whether you’re right or left of the political aisle, politicians and government leverage religion, the majority religion in a nation, for its benefit, you know, in a tra. Constantine was doing it. That’s why Constantine became a Christian.

Right. He wanted, he needed a glue to hold the Roman Empire together. And it was Christianity, social programming. Correct. Yeah. So. So from a, from a federal level. Right. And like kind of steering opinion. I’ll, I’ll tell you this. I got called by someone randomly on my phone. So this is where we know the show is starting to question big, big structures in the government. And the government seeing it in, calling me and they. Was that an intimidation call or just. No, it was actually someone who was like, hey, we’ve seen some of your content. Push down this rabbit hole a little further.

They actually encouraged us and, and I believe it’s because we have a shot at reforming the nonprofit sector and especially religious institutions, or we have a shot at bringing reform, and the government can’t do that. I got to sit down with Phil Hackney. He’s the head. He oversaw the nonprofit sector at the IRS. So he oversaw 1.9 million organizations, nonprofit organizations. And he said, nathan, the government can’t fix this. It’s a total train wreck. The government won’t touch religion because it’ll start a civil war. Go get your own house in order. So I do think we potentially have the best chance since the 70s, since Congress saw this as a problem and Senator Grassley in particular saw this as a problem, we have the best shot at bringing reform into the system.

That’s non governmental. But to your point, churches have 501c3 tax status. But you learn about all this in the show because it’s so cloudy in a lot of the architecture that church churches run under aren’t even law. It’s just precedent. It’s something that the IRS said in the 50s or 60s or 70s, and it’s just stuck. And so most people don’t even know that churches don’t file 990s. To Chris’s point, most people don’t know that a church, I can just raise my hand and say, nathan is a church. And I can walk in and get an ein number and start a bank account.

And the government, this is the crazy part, the federal government, I don’t have to petition the government for, for that 501c3 tax status. Secular nonprofits do. But just because I say I’m starting a church, I get it automatically. So the federal government doesn’t even know I exist. What? Yeah, you get it automatically, starting a church. Yeah, you should. Yeah. So, and so these are the little, like the major, like, simple nuances in the IRS code and guideline and precedent that people don’t know unless you’re shrewd and smart, and then you just start taking advantage of them.

And so that’s where today you can walk into a mega church that has $100 million a year budget. And then you can go, and I’m going to give you a little breadcrumb here, so to speak, about episode seven. You can go to the mosque down the street and it has the same program, or you can go to the struggling Baptist church that only has 10 members and they’re all Regulated by the exact same guidelines. And so that’s what we present is. And I personally believe, and I’m going to throw a big, a big note out here, these guidelines were meant to curtail and contain religion.

They basically created a cookie cutter box that every religion, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, have to fit themselves inside. So everyone, when you speak on this, everyone automatically affiliates this with Christianity. Correct. Preachers. So it’s all religions. All religion, yeah. So basically the show is called the Religion Business. And then the sub, the, the, the subtitle is and the nonprofit Goliath because we unpack the entire nonprofit sector and then we drilled on, on religious exemptions. And then as a Christian, I consider myself a Christ follower. I believe in Christ. Like I hold my faith to the highest standard possible.

I don’t care about Islam, I don’t care about Judaism. I don’t. Well, I care about Judaism because it, it’s the backbone of Christianity. But like I care that my faith is held to the highest standards possible. Well, well, if you think about it, anything goes. You can even open a new age religious center where you just do yoga and meditate together. That could be a new age, right? I mean, it’s not just Christianity. We’re not just throwing Christianity under the bus, although that’s the big one here. But I’m, I’m just saying, like. Right. I mean it could be anything, any type.

Hey, you know, it can be the Hell’s Angels. The Hell’s Angels are registered as a church. What? Yeah, a hedge fund. A 300 billion dollar hedge fund is registered as a church. 300 billion hedge. Billion billion Hell’s Angels. Did I hear that? No, no, no. They’re separate. But I’m saying, I’m saying you can have the Hell’s Angels, a biker club, a notorious biker club, be registered as a church or religious organization. But they’re not. They are. They are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, sir, they are. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. This has just opened up a whole. This is Pandora’s box, man.

And here’s the kicker. And I’ll actually present the argument that I think the Hell’s Angels are more of a religious organization than most Christian mega churches. And here’s why. They have a code. They have a code. They stick to their doctrine. They will die for their creed. And you look up early Christianity, all those early apostles died for their creed. They died for Christ. One in three bishops up until 300 A.D. were being killed. Like, so when I look at the Hell’s Angels, I’m like, whether you Believe. Whether you think they’re morally corrupt or not, their institution mimics religion.

I would say more than a mega church where I go to get a cup of coffee and a donut and tuck my kids into childcare and sing some songs and then leave and hear the same message a week later. You know, dude, I thought I would go through this podcast and you guys weren’t going to tell me anything. I already knew. Yeah. You’re about to see hours of this. There’s seven. The show is seven and a half hours long. Okay. Because, you know, wow, man. I had no idea. You know, I was at a, you know, a church, a megachurch in El Paso.

And I remember when I pulled up to park, and it’s like the biggest church in El Paso, but I’m not going to say the name. I pulled up to park and it said platinum parking only. And then I’m going to the next. The next parking space. Oh, that’s gold, platinum, silver. There’s a guy waving because you can’t park here. I’m like, I’m just trying to go to church, man. You know, and everyone’s in suits and ties going in there, like, no, no. They go, this. You have to pay to be in these clubs. I’m like, it turns out the platinum parking is like 15,000 to 20,000 a year.

The gold. The gold. The gold parking is like 10. The silver. What? Yeah, this was. I have not seen that before. Yeah, come down here. I’ll take you there, though. So platinum and gold parking. Okay. And that’s at this church. Okay. So that. I’m not making that up. That’s real. And so, you know, that was one of the things. Another thing to me was, you know, especially when, you know, when this big thing happened over the. Over, you know, in 2020, all of a sudden the churches were like, come in. Come on in and get your free this.

Yeah, not only that, we’re celebrating this month, which is all the colorful flags, like, coming up in June, right. I have to be like this on. On YouTube, but everyone knows what I’m talking about. And I’m like, that’s not. That’s not the church. That’s the government. They’ve. They’ve infiltrated every. Everything now. So. So when I see stuff like that, I. I. To me personally, I’m just like, you know what? I’ll go to my Bible study and I’ll give when I see a homeless person in need. And that’s right. That’s it for me now. Well, you’re telling Me, you’re living out Matthew 25.

You’re telling me you’re doing what Christ told us to do, Right? And it’s as simple as that. Right? But I feel like nowadays everyone wants to be part of this social gathering, social status, and that’s what churches have turned into, you know? And I’m gonna say one more story, and I’ll give it back to you guys, but I remember I went to Catholic school as an altar boy, and there was a homeless man that would go into the church and sit there, and the parents had a problem with this, and they kicked his ass out of there.

And I’m like, this guy needed it more than anybody. He wasn’t hurting or anybody. You know, they didn’t offer to get him help. They just went in there and said, get the hell out of here. And I witnessed the whole thing. I remember I started thinking, wait a second. And I was just a kid, I was like, that’s not right. This guy’s homeless. He needs it more than anybody. But n n n. He didn’t wear a suit and tie. You know what I mean? So this is. It’s so hypocritical. It is. Now, Nino, I. I love asking this question because when.

When I started in this journey with Nathan, what is a church? What is the definition of church? And it’s something that the audience, your. Your. Your team to participate in. What is your definition of a church oftentimes? Is it a location? Is it a building? What is it? Is it the gathering of the body? What is it? And I think that we often like society to your point, today, it’s. It’s a production, right? It’s a built. Yeah, it is. And these guys make so much money. Joel Osteen is one of them. Kenneth Copeland, I mean, these guys have private jets, Lamborghinis, whatever.

They want mansions. But they’d say, you know, we’re doing God’s work. We deserve it. That’s what they’ll say. Yeah. What do you have to say to that? They’re wolves. They’re. They’re. They’re. They’re. They’re. They’re the wolf that Christ spoke against. You know, the wolves in sheep’s clothing, you know, they’re the ones that tickle ears. They’re the ones that, you know, pray on high places to be cheered. Everything that Christ spoke against, which is really the establishment, this is the big thing. Christ was a counterculturalist. He. He went into Jerusalem and into the temple and was like, this whole thing is just smoke and Mirrors, you know, he called everybody out.

He went in with a whip and started whipping people, you know, because he said, you’ve turned my father’s house, the temple, into a robber’s den. You’ve turned it into a money making machine. And you look at every single institute, every single organization, that religious organization that has 501c3 tax status is a money making machine. It’s a business. And Christ, what did not come and did not die on that cross, and then if you believe in him, was not resurrected, or at least the story of his resurrection, he did not do all that. And then his apostles didn’t sacrifice their lives for a business, you know, and for an entertainment venue and for a Sunday gathering.

They sacrificed their lives for quote, unquote, salvation in a new way of life. But we’ve turned, we’ve brought the temple back. You know, that, that temple. Well, Christ was not against the preachers, the Pharisees. I mean, that’s what. Yeah, Jesus was, if anything, that, you know, the ultimate warrior in my mind. I mean, he went directly against the system that is, you know, now in this perpetual abuse of what Jesus taught, you know, it’s perverted all of his teachings and, and that’s. And everyone believes now, well, if I just go to a service on Sunday, I’m a good person.

And then they’re, they’re a dirtbag for the whole week. And then on Sunday they pretend. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? That’s most. Well, and this is. There’s a verse that I love that Christ says in multiple gospels or the stories in multiple gospels is he’s in the temple and he calls out the leaders in the temple and he goes, you’ve taken your traditions of men and you’ve called it doctrine. And you look at a church today, it’s nothing but tradition, right? The building, the donuts, the coffee, even the music, the children’s care, that’s all tradition.

But we call it church. And it’s like, no, we’ve bastardized the doctrine and we call our tradition doctrine. And that’s where the power shifts. The power shifts away from the, and this is to Chris’s point, the money, the time, the talent, all of that shift away from the true body of Christ, which would be helping that homeless man in the pew. And it shifts all those resources and talent to build the institution and, you know, insulate the institution. And so it’s a, it’s a. We are the antithesis right now of Christchurch. So, Nathan, what was your like if I had to Get a pivotal moment from you that made you say, you know what? I’m going to start on this journey to expose this.

What would it have been? What was that pivotal moment for you to say, you know what? I’m going to start my journey now and expose this. The religion business. Yeah. So I got the domain thereligbusiness.com when I was 25. So to give your viewers and use some background, I was raised in a megachurch. Like, I sang in choir, I played, went to awanas my whole youth. I went to every summer camp I could. I volunteered in high school as a, as a college kid. Like, I was, I was in the church, the institutional realm. I loved it.

I started traveling for TV internationally when I was 18 and I would just go to churches and seminaries all over the world because I was just fascinating with the church. And there’s one seminary in Brazil that I went to and I was probably 26 at this point, and it was in the favelas, so the poorest parts of Brazil and Sao Paulo, and there’s barely any running water. And I walk in and this American white dude from Texas is running the seminary. And he, he and his wife had been there for 40 plus years now. They went down with a couple thousand dollars.

They bought a brick making machine and he wanted to build a seminary. So he literally taught himself how to make bricks and he built a little shack and then he took one orphan off the street in and he’s like, this is my student. And he taught this kid the scripture in the Bible. And then another kid and another kid and, and anybody could come to the seminary for free, any street ch child, as long as they would work a couple hours a day and then they could study the Bible. Flash forward 40 years. They had a couple hundred kids at the seminary.

They never asked for a dollar, ever. They didn’t take money. They had created this, this, they would make their own eosystem of. Yeah, they would sell bricks and they would build buildings. And so. And I was like, this is it. Like, they figured out they never asked for money. They lived well, they had far. They had farmland at that point and cattle. And, you know, they were, this, it was this community in the, in the favelas that was literally equipping orphans, sending them out with degrees. And now some of these students, these street kids, were lead dentists in their towns and they would run.

It was amazing. So this is where it gets interesting. So I, I came back so fired up and a lot of this footage was in the Original cut of the religion business 12 years ago. And I came back so fired up and I shot four days down there with them and I’m like, this is it. There’s no financial incentive. And when there’s no financial ask, it frees the, the leader up to really preach the gospel. Because there’s. It’s what Paul did. Paul made tents. He said, I don’t want to be a burden to you, right? And so I’m like, this is it.

So I come back, a few years pass, and I go back down. And the older white guy had had dementia. And so one of his original pupils, who was a successful businessman at this point, came in and was taking it over. And he had tiled all the floors of the building, and then in his house, he had put a flat screen TV on the property. And I’m like, man, it just feels different now, right? You know, and I still had a great time. We filmed again and I came back, I ended up having a baby girl and I kind of just shelved that footage.

I went back three years later and they were officially taking money. Everything had turned material. All the walls of these simple block buildings were now white tile. They. It gives me goosebumps to think about. There was TVs in the, in the worship area now. They had paved the road and they had just bought into the material side of the institution. Became a business. It became a business. And even when I would go and worship, like, I just. They didn’t, they didn’t have the joy anymore. It didn’t have the authenticity. Yeah. And it wasn’t that. It wasn’t that.

Hey, because a lot of atheists will say, oh, yeah, Christianity is good for poor people or, or developing nations. But it’s like, no, as soon as you start asking for money, the system flips and that. Those three trips to the favelas in the Brazil radically transformed my perspective on the institution. And that’s when I’m like, I’m going to burn this whole thing down. You decided to go on your mission, like, and expose all of this? Yeah, yeah. Golly, man. I mean, I, I guess I could see it. I. I mean, me personally, like I said, I.

Like I said, it’s all in here, man. And that’s what people need to understand. It’s really, truly just in here. And I mean, it’s not about who you help publicly, it’s who you help secretly, you know, and that’s what God sees and, you know, that’s what Christ said to do. Right? Don’t do it in Public do it in secret. Yeah. Do it secretly. So I would guess, I would venture to say mega churches are now, are now turning into these, I guess, Ponzi spirit, spiritual Ponzi schemes I guess you could call them, or an MLM kind of, you know.

Yeah, yeah, right. I mean, can you explain that a little bit on how they’re doing this? Yeah. So we call it religious economic theory in the show, but it’s basically in the late 90s really when non denominationalism started skyrocketing and denominations started dying, it became the wild west. Because now Chris’s church, let’s say Nino, your church, my church and Chris’s church are all within like a 10 mile radius of each other. Now it’s about who can give the best incentives to our congregants because the Christians in the community have become consumers. So if Nino gets a bigger stage, well shoot, I have to get a bigger stage and match Nino or my congregants are going to go to Nino’s church.

We call it religious economic area. If Chris all of a sudden gets a coffee bar and is serving lattes, well, shoot, I better get a coffee bar and serve lattes. Yeah. So churches began to pit themselves against each other without even knowing it. Is it kind of like when you see like a Whataburger next to McDonald’s, 100% Walgreens next to CVS? It’s literally economics because once you move into. I’ve always wondered how that’s helped, how does that help the business? Well, it helps, it helps the business because it’s, it’s your profit driven. Right. So it’s, it’s how quick can we scale.

And so in this new environment, which is only 40 years old, but all of us grew up in it, so we see this as church today. But this religious economic theory, what it does is it forces every institution to become about spending. So in over history we track this within the show over the last 3,500 years. We tracked this in over the last 2,000 years for Christianity in particular, the Christian church has always the money it’s needed for what its leadership wanted to do, has found Bible verses randomly to justify the ask. And what I mean by that is tithing has never been a consistent thing.

You know, giving has never been a consistent thing in the Christian church. Like sales of indulgences with the Vatican in, in the dark Ages they just needed more money because they were waging wars and the, the Pope was virtually bankrupt. And so he goes, well shoot, we got to figure out how to make money. Let’s start selling indulgences. And so the, the institution has always basically cherry picked verses to ex to demand how much money they need. And that’s where the Ponzi scheme and MLM side of things comes into play now. Because no longer is it even, hey Nino, give me 10%.

Now it’s hey Nino, you need to give me 10%. But we’re going to do this new build, so I want you to give above and beyond and we’re going to call this a seed offering or a fast offering or they make up some other bullshit for lack because it is. And then they justify, hey, you need to give me this money because we’re going to build this other thing. None of it’s scriptural based, it’s just all how do you build? And yet the pastor, the preacher is living high on the ho dog while everyone else is suffering, giving their money.

The pastor is driving Ferraris, Lamborghinis, or maybe he might drive a, a, a simple type of car to church to not give himself away. But I guarantee you the guy’s not suffering. He’s living very well. Of, very well, of course, because my church is succeeding. Right? We have the best coffee bar, the best stage. So we’re blessed, you know, so of course if, if our church is blessed, the pastor should be blessed. But all it is, is you’re leveraging the vulnerability of faith based individuals and their generosity to build your brand and then saying God is blessing us because of it.

No, you are. That’s exactly what they say. We are blessed. Yeah. No, you’re a wolf. Leveraging tax exempt status and loopholes to take advantage of people’s generosity and faith. And people, people go to the church at their most vulnerable time and when they sit there and I’ve, I’ve heard this, I’ve heard this sermon before that if you don’t tithe, you will be removed from the list of God’s children. One, and then two, you won’t be protected on the day of vengeance. So you already, you have people taking this in at a very vulnerable time of their life and instilling that level of fear.

I mean, who wants to be removed from God’s list? Who doesn’t want to be protected on the day of vengeance? I, I need to do this. Yeah. You know, I, I have friends that were raised in the church and you know, actually, and almost like combines and a couple of my friends and they’ve turned away from religion forever. And then some of them maybe even turned away From God. Well, and that’s what’s sad, right, is, is there’s a, there’s a philosopher and theologian in the show named Dan Bramer. He’s one of my favorite people. And he goes, nathan, most people put faith in their faith in God.

They don’t put their faith in the God of their faith. And he’s like, think through that. I put my faith in my faith. And so what does that mean? It’s like, hey, this institution, this denomination, this pastor, like, this is my faith. And so when that system crumbles, well, now my faith dissolves and ah, screw the church, screw God. But it’s like, no, no, you didn’t have your faith in the God of your faith. Does that make sense? 100. Yeah, it’s, it’s such a subtle shift. Yeah. So here it is folks. The religion business and the non profit Goliath seven part docu series coming Easter 2025.

So it’s already out. No, sorry, sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, no, we, we pushed it. We had, we had a distributor try to destroy the show. We were gonna sign with a single big streamer and they were going to shelve the show so they, they didn’t want it to cannibalize other shows. And so we pushed it to July 10. How is it not on Netflix? This should be on Netflix. It should. It won’t be on Netflix. That’ll be the one. It won’t be on. Yeah, it won’t be on Netflix. It’s going to be on Amazon, Apple TV, Roku, TheReeligionBusiness.com but yeah, we, we had to.

Our goal was to launch Easter 2025, but it, someone was going to try to destroy the show. So when is it getting launched? July. July 10th. July 10th. 40 days. Yeah, yeah, there you go. July 10th. And as you can see right there, folks, thereeligion business.com get over there. I mean, basically, I mean, is it, I mean, do you have to pay to watch it for you to watch? What is it, we’re gonna have it. It’s gonna be pay to watch for the first few months just because we’ve put our blood, sweat and tears into it.

Dude, I get that. And then, and then it will flip for free because our goal is to drive 200 million views to this over the first nine months because that will demand, that’ll demand federal reform at the congressional level. So for a while people can see it, they can pay to watch it, and then it goes free. Yeah, and what I’ll say right now is Chris and I, we’ve had lots of people and companies say, hey, we are. We want to invest in this. We want to donate to you. We have said no to everybody. And it’s for one reason.

We didn’t want anybody, including the distributor that was going to try to shelve it to make changes to the story because if. And the distributor wanted us to make changes to the story and we said, nope, get back. Because they wanted to. They wanted to dilute the message because it’s that potent. How take you to film this? We. I’ve been researching for 13 years. We’ve been. I’ve been filming full time for three and a half years. Well, you know, one more story. I always like to, you know, talk about my personal experiences on these podcasts. But I remember at that revival, that Christian revival, the pastor was up there in front of really vulnerable people, you know, that had no money and he was asking for a lot of money.

And I remember people were crying and giving him checks and things like that. He was promising people would walk again. He was promising. This was people with deformities saying when they go to bed at night, they’ll wake up tomorrow with, they’ll be cured from this. I mean, facial deformities, like bone structure problems. I don’t know what the pro. Proper terminology, medical terminology is for or. But I remember seeing this and I was thinking to myself, people are so desperate. I was looking at everybody. They’re going for this. They’re. They’re giving all they had. I saw them writing checks to this guy and I thought, that guy is like the most evil man in the world.

Well, and the problem is when that person isn’t healed, what’s that pastor going to say? Right? You didn’t have enough faith. You did. There you go. Yeah. You didn’t have the faith. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that’s Narcissist 101. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a perfect. I’ve noticed a lot of that with preachers and pastors, and I’m not, you know, I’m not here to, you know, a lot of preachers and pastors are good people. I’m not going to say they’re not, but a lot of it is narcissism. You know, God told me. I’m telling you. He’s using me to tell you that everything.

I have a lot of Christians, a lot of friends who are Christians that are the most judgmental people. I can’t be around them. Yeah. Can’t be around them because they’re so judgmental. Yeah, it’s tough, man. It’s. Well, there’s a book, a great book called the Wisdom of Psychopaths. It’s on our, it’s on our, our require or our, our reading list on the religion business dot com. And it’s this scientist who tracks psychopaths, you know, and he interviewed for about 20 years psychopaths in jail. And then he interviewed psychopaths as CEOs because there’s clinical diagno. Psychopath is a clinical diagnosis.

And he’s like, you can either go based off childhood experiences, the destructive route, or take this psychopathic tendency to become a CEO of a billion dollar company or whatever. But one of the top 10 jobs of a psychopath is a clergy member or a pastor. Yeah, because of the power. Right? Because all the sense they start their own cults. Yeah. They’re always out there, see, you know, messing around with all the women, the wives, you know. Yeah, that makes the most sense to me. Yeah, Politicians are up there too. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Any positions of power people need.

That’s why it’s so easy for me to understand because in boxing, you know, I was a heavyweight champion. I, that was all, I was just around psychopaths. Yeah. That were flesh pedaling my flesh and that’s what it was. And it’s like, and that’s who I had to fight. You know, we’re like just these psychopathic, you know, killers in the ring that just wanted. And I, I was the same, but I, I was more of a, I didn’t match a sport, man. I was more of an empath. I, I just, I just didn’t fall into that category.

I, Anytime I was done with a fight, I’d be like, hey man, let’s go have a beer. Let’s go, let’s go. You know, I was just not in that category. But guys, I, I really appreciate both of you coming on. Chris and Nathan, the religion business folks, it is. What’s the website again? The religious, the religious. Religion business dot com. Yep, yep. Religion business dot com. I’ll put the link down below. Hit it. And you got. How much is it to. What do they have to pay right now to watch all seven series? Well, well, we haven’t, we haven’t posted the, the fees yet for it.

We’re, we’re working through a few things on, on our end, but we’ll have, we’ll have all that out. We’re going to try to open it up for pre purchasing and of course the prices will be on there a Couple weeks before it launches. Well, that’s. It’ll be years. A lot of blood, sweat and tears you put into this, guys. And. Well, and the bigger one that I can give a shout out to is, like I said, Chris. Chris has been a gold mine of a business partner in this in regards to being a brother in the trenches.

He believed in the vision from day one when we met. So hats off to you, Chris, but we are going up against Goliaths. And so revenues from the sales of this show is going to help market. It’s going to help legal defenses. Like, we’ve got a lot of things in the pipeline that, that, that, that cost a lot of money and we’ve spent money. Security. Yeah, we’ve been like, we’ve. We. We’ve had security. Oh, we’ve had security firms call us saying, hey, we had churches give us six figures to do pick, dig up dirt on you and potentially like, put hits out on you guys.

What? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The secure, like, and, and in fact, they were so disgusted with it. These guys, these guys stepped away from working for this, for this pastor. And they asked the pastor, like, in regards to, to me because of my, like, military background. I’m a father, like, businessman. Like, I’m. We’re like, we’re not messing with, like, this is a good dude. We’re not doing this dig dirt up on you, like to pull up your past, whatever. Like, they. Yeah. And then, and then the security folks asked, like, why are you gonna put a hit out on him in regards, like, to me? And the pastor wouldn’t answer.

Like a character assassination hit or like a physical? Like what physical? No, no. Like, take me, take my life. Yeah, well, you got to realize we’re threatening, you know, these churches, this church in particular, Their budget is upward of like 40 million bucks a year. These guys don’t want their revenue streams to go away, you know, and we’re gonna name. They’re gonna put a hit on you. This is for sure. This is insane. I mean. Oh, the podcast was gonna end with this. Oh, it’s crazy. Nino. Yeah, it’s. It’s like. Yeah, I got, I gotta. I got a nice.

I got my stuff hanging right there on the wall. You’re going to be armed in the name of Jesus? No, we’re going to be taken out in the name of Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Well, man. Dude, guys, I wish you the best. Thank you for coming on. I’ll get this up on YouTube. And thank you, brother. God bless you in your journey and on your mission, guys, Seriously, man. You guys are doing brave work and anything. Do you have any other thing. Projects you’re going to work on after this that you’re looking at? Yeah, we’ve got. We’ve got five shows in the pipeline.

It. And all. All, all end at the federal government, you know, but we’re basically taking on there. There’s five legacy institutions that we’re going to dissect in the same way. The first is. Is the nonprofit sector, and our goal is bulletproof vests. Yeah, our goal is basically to get America or encourage America to get back to what the founding fathers envisioned, you know, beautiful. Like, let’s bring it back to what the founding fathers built this amazing country on. And so that’s our. That’s our goal. Thank you, Nathan. Thank you, Chris. You guys stay with me. Awesome, brother.

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