Chris Leahy says, hi, Dr. Steve. Just thought I should ask, with reform UK, Nigel Farage surging and the Tories collapsing, do you think, or do you believe we are seeing the same dynamic play out in the UK? That happened is happening in Italy. I. E. The old center right collapses, then the left rises, then falls dramatically, all while a populist right alternative grows and grows in strength in popularity.

I have to beg the forgiveness of all of our UK listeners here. I was asked some months back, what do you think of the Reform party, which is the old Brexit party, and I just dismissed and the. I mean, I had at least some justification of dismissing, like, I love how you put it, like Lega in Italy or the brothers of Italy. It was just polling in the single digits.

I thought, british politics is too much in paralysis. It’s never going to go anywhere. It’s never going to do anything. It’s always going to be a peripheral know. It’s like you, kip, it’s just not going anywhere. Forgive me. Forgive my little face that the disaster that is the modern day conservatives, the Tories, would be the perfect opportunity for the true Brexit party, the true party of December 2019, when the Tories won one of the biggest landslide victories in the last 100 years precisely because they campaigned on Brexit and did exactly like we talked about, brought in all of these working class voters, both white, non white working class voters.

Regions, districts in Britain voted, particularly England, had voted Tory that had never, ever voted Tory before, and they brought in this massive coalition that just destroyed. They demolished labor. And Boris Johnson had no freaking idea what to do with. No. This is Matthew Goodwin, who’s a british scholar. This is his argument and his analysis, and I think it’s spot on because I think we’re seeing the same thing here with Ronald McDaniel and Mittens Romney and all that, and McConnell with our new republican party, Patriot Party.

The Tories have just absolutely squandered that amazing opportunity. They’ve been governing as radical globalists through Covid, through Ukraine, and now they’re collapsing. Are you looking to get out of your job in this economy and maybe considered a business or franchise opportunity, but you were put off by the million dollar price tag. I could not recommend more tapping into the parallel economy with your own online e commerce store business and gaining a life of freedom.

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Turley. Thanks, Alex. And the new Brexit party, the Reform party, is growing. It’s growing by leaps and bounds. So you’re using Italy as your example. You could use France as well. You could even use, to a certain extent, Israel right. Their labor party is dead center right. Center left is basically dead. It’s all center right politics at this point. The Overton window is now much more, well, for lack of better term, kind of far right, even moving into a theocratic right in Israel.

So I would love to see that. I just think british, as you know, british politics is just at such a standstill. It’s at such a paralysis. The frames of reference that are allowed to be debated on the BBC and Channel Four and so forth are just such a joke. They’re so limited, they’re just so neoliberal and neocon oriented, so globalist, that at this point, nobody’s even listening to it anymore.

So there is an extraordinary opportunity to disrupt. Remember, it’s the phenomenon known as the bootlegger. I think it’s Eric Kaufman, who’s a canadian, but was an expat. He’s at the University of London, another scholar, to your wonderful credit, in the british isles. And his argument is that when populations, when such a divide opens up between the people and the permanent political class, which is exactly what we’re seeing in Britain, we’re seeing it in all the polls, the people overwhelmingly have one view of immigration, which is generally negative, whereas the mps have a fundamentally different view of immigration, which is overwhelmingly positive.

I mean, when you have such a massive dichotomy, a gap between the values, interests and concerns of the people versus the permanent political class, eventually that opens up opportunities for political bootleggers to come in in many ways, like Nigel Farage was, or hopefully will be. I’d love to see him back in politics, I think, is wonderful breath of fresh air, like Matteo Savini was in Italy, like Georgia Maloney is Maureen le Pen.

They are willing, in France, they are willing to openly champion the values, interests, concerns of the people in a way that the centrist parties simply won’t allow. And they become so popular that all the demonizations in the world just don’t work. As a matter of fact, as we’re seeing with Trump, or even to a certain extent, Naja Farage and Pierre Polievan in Canada, the more they disparage and lampoon and ridicule and disdain, the stronger and more popular they get.

Because people are like, oh, okay, those people that I despise, despise you. You must be good. You must be on the right side. That’s kind of just a circuitous way of saying yes, possibly again, hopefully, right. With my repentance fully affirmed here, we may be seeing the collapse of the center and the rise of the bootleggers to now occupy that vacuum. Now there’s going to be a left, too.

There’s going to be a populist left that’s going to come in there as well, whether it’s your liberal Democrats who not want to see, but the populist right is there for the taking. In Britain, it gave you the single biggest majority we’ve seen. Landslide victory, December 2019 national elections. It was a blowout. I followed that daily until it, until it happened, watched the results come in live. 6 hours difference, right? Five 6 hours difference.

So it was nice and early for me. So that wasn’t a, I. Just to see it squandered that way was one of the biggest political disappointments imaginable. And hopefully Nigel and the Reform party can tap into that vacuum and reform, true to their name, british politics in such a way that realigns with the growing sentiment of a much more populist population. I hope you enjoyed that clip of my Monday night Insiders club livestream.

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