➡ James Corbett, in a conversation with Lainey Liberty, discusses the importance of raising independent and free-thinking teenagers. Liberty, a mental health counselor and advocate for alternative education, shares her experiences of raising her son while traveling and co-founding businesses with him. She emphasizes the importance of partnership parenting, which respects the autonomy and individuality of the child, rather than imposing the parent’s will. The discussion also highlights the negative impact of isolation on teenagers, especially during the Covid-19 lockdowns.
➡ Parenting involves creating an environment where children can express themselves and understand their needs. This starts from childhood and varies with each child due to their unique needs and perspectives. The goal is to raise independent individuals, which requires understanding the changes in the teenage brain. During adolescence, the brain remodels itself, pruning unnecessary connections and strengthening others. This process, combined with emotional development and identity formation, can lead to challenges. However, understanding these changes can help parents manage their expectations and better support their teens.
➡ The text discusses the importance of open communication and understanding between parents and teenagers. It emphasizes the need for parents to create safe spaces for their teens to express their thoughts and feelings, even if they differ from their own. The text also highlights the significance of emotional intelligence in families and the use of tools to help teens understand their emotions. Lastly, it suggests that parents should guide their children on how to think, not what to think, and respect their individuality.
➡ The speaker provides mentoring services for teenagers, teaching them about mental health and helping them understand their emotions and decisions. They use simple analogies, like comparing the brain to a computer, to explain complex concepts. The speaker also works with parents, focusing on partnership and open communication. They believe in empowering teens with tools for self-understanding and mental health, which they can use throughout their life.

Welcome back, friends. Welcome back to Solutions Watch. I’m James Corbett of CorbettReport.com here in November of 2025 with a conversation that I know is of concern to a number of people out there in the audience, although it is one that I don’t talk about often enough. I often talk about the fact that if we want to achieve a free society, that will not be done overnight. It is a generational process of change that starts with parenting. Parenting and becoming and helping young adults become free and independent adults is, I would presume, the course that we all want to take.

But how do we get from A to B is the question for all the marbles, as they say. And it’s one that I, of course, have my own interest in, given the fact that my two children are 12 years old and 9 years old, aka right on the cusp of those wonderful, glorious teen years. So obviously I am thinking more and more about this subject and how to raise free and independent teenage young adults. And so I am exploring that topic and I wanted to get on today on the program someone who has some experience with that and something to say about that.

So today we’re going to be talking to Lainey Liberty, who is a mental health counselor, an entrepreneur, bestselling author, coach, and unshakable, optimistic, dedicated to help your teens gain confidence and transform their lives. She is@transformativementoringforteens.com and that will be linked in the show notes, of course, as well as her book on the subject, Seen, Heard and Parenting and partnering with Teens for Greater Mental Health. Lainey Liberty, thank you very much for taking the time to talk with us today. Hey, thanks for having me. And I’m really, really excited to be here. I’m excited to have you here.

It’s such an important topic, as I say, and one that doesn’t get enough time and attention in the independent media. So let’s, let’s do something to rectify that today. But actually, I wanted to start today with a little bit about yourself and your own story and your own journey. Because of course, the first question people might ask is, who is Lainey Liberty and why should we be listening to her about this topic anyway? Sure. Well, what you left out of the introduction is I’m a mother and I’m a self identified anarchist. So, you know, that should set the stage just a little bit.

I raised my son. I’m a mother of a fourth grade dropout, proud fourth grade dropout. I am an advocate for alternative education and I raised my child traveling so that is a little bit different than most people’s path. I’m also an autodidactic and self taught, um, my education, when I was younger, I focused my education and got a degree in art out of all things. So I’m speaking to you from the perspective of somebody who found a purpose. Right. You know, and this comes from the partnership that I, I experienced with my child, which was traveling around the world and living nomadically.

I don’t know if you knew that, but I lived, raised my child nomadically and eventually co founded a couple of businesses with him. And one of them was bringing teens to different places in the world for these immersive learning experiences that propelled me down the path of learning everything I could about mental health, teenage development, using tools, conflict resolution, learning communities, and a lot of other sort of things that were connected to those topics in order to learn how to facilitate these retreats. So today I’ve facilitated over, I don’t even know how many, 50, 60 retreats for more than 200 teens in different places in the world.

And what changed my trajectory, my path was the 2020 change, which you’ve spoken about so much on your channel, and everybody was locked down. And I think a little bit later on we’re going to talk about the teen brain and, and some of those developmental stages. But let me tell you, first off, isolation is like kryptonite to teens. So that really prompted me into looking into creating a program where teens could focus on their own mental health and actually really own the process of being okay. You know, isolation, of course, as you say, kryptonite to teens, kryptonite to most human beings who are, of course, we are a social species and we like to socialize, but it’s not just.

I mean, obviously Covid was the most extreme extent of that kind of isolation lockdown. But really our modern life is so much about isolation, digital isolation. You’re online together with all the other people who are online staring at your screen. So I think that’s probably some fundamental part of this that we have to confront. But I wanted to start by approaching this from the question of partnership parenting, because I know that will be a concept, a term that will be unfamiliar to many. And I note in your book, Seen, Heard and Understood, you wrote, most of us were raised within an authoritarian parenting paradigm and are accustomed to authoritarian approaches within our culture.

Most of us have accepted that tough love is needed at times and believe it’s okay to impose our will on our children when it’s for their benefit. Being raised in A culture where the underclass of people with the least amount of rights are children. Most never introduce the idea of consent or equality into that relationship. If we think about it, most rules, bedtimes, restrictions, and expectations are arbitrary. Partnership parenting challenges this framework and looks at each individual as a capable and autonomous human being with the ability to self regulate. All right, so that’s a fascinating and obviously very paradigm busting point of view.

How did you arrive at that point of view and can you explain about it for the audience? Sure. Okay, so when you and I first talked, one of the things that you talked about was peaceful parenting. And immediately I wrote back and said, okay, no, we’re not, we are not talking about peaceful parenting. We’re talking about partnership parenting. And there are some really big differences. And in some ways we’re really, really lucky. It’s been about 25 years of an explosion of all of these parenting paradigms in the mainstream. You know, there’s conscious parenting, there’s peaceful parenting, there’s attachment parenting, which goes way farther back, you know, 50, 60 years in terms of a, an area of study.

There’s gentle parenting, there’s hand in hand parenting, there’s non, there’s collabor of parenting. There are so many books on this topic. So in that respect, we’re really, really lucky. And I think that each one of these paradigms has a wonderful aspect, but if we’re talking about basically a way to focus on the behavior of the other, which means we are manipulating the behavior through speaking kindly or using certain phrases or tones to control the other’s behavior, we’re still functioning in an authoritarian paradigm. Now, as somebody who was raised in a very controlling household, control was something that was, that was a massive part of my, my, you know, formative years.

I felt like I had a boot on my throat the entire time I was going through my te years and, and I really did not want to raise in that paradigm. I did not want to raise, and I wanted to be very, very conscious of what it meant to honor another person’s sovereignty. So first I had to look at everything that that’s out there. There is, like I said, all these paradigms of parenting that we can look at and use as specific tools in order to, to partner with the person that you’re partnering with. So for example, I’m going to give you an example here.

You partner with. What’s his name? James Evan Palato. Right. For particular shows, you both come to the show with a specific goal. You both have different perspectives. You both have different Takes on, on the thing that you’re focusing on together. And you have different lenses and different ways of seeing the world. Now you and your wife have different ways of seeing the world, but it’s very different than you and your partner on that program. Right. We take on different roles with different people. And so in order to partner with somebody, we’ve got to know what their capabilities are, what their interests are, what they’re not only boundaries are, but their.

What they will and won’t do. As a parent, obviously I’m taking on the role of being the caretaker, but it doesn’t mean, because I’m taking on that role, it eclipses the, the person who I’m taking care of their right to say, you know, I don’t want to give you a kiss right now, or I don’t want to eat this, you know, this broccoli. I don’t. How do I know it’s their right? Well, because they’re an individual, just like I am. My right imposed on another person is, is absolutely out of the parenting paradigm. And so the partnership and understanding that people are different and have different perspectives is kind of at the foundation.

Excuse me. Yeah, excuse me. My mouth was getting really dry. So for me, I feel like honoring the autonomy and the sovereignty of the human being that we are. Parenting has got to be a part of this. And you often ask, how do we not raise a status? How do we create a paradigm or an environment where, where people know themselves, where people will say, no, that’s not what I want. Well, that starts in childhood. And that starts by giving the person that you’re partnering with your child a voice. And the thing about partnership is partnership with each person is going to look different.

You’re going to partner with your wife differently than you’re going to partner with your son. Then you’re going to partner with your daughter. And everybody has different needs, different perspectives, and a different way of approaching all of this. Again, there are developmentally, you know, accurate things that you can do. You know, like you can’t expect your 8 year old to go out and make a living. So understanding what the boundaries creates the foundation for that partnership. I hope that was clear. I know, I understand what you’re saying. There’s a couple of important things that I, I want to underline there.

One is that, yes, the goal that we have is to raise independent, autonomous human beings. And so every step along that path should be directed towards that goal, presumably. And yes, that’s going to look different at different stages of development. But if that that goal is the goal, then the steps should be relatively apparent. The other thing that you mentioned there that I think is important is that, yes, every human being is different, and every partnership that you have with a human being will be different because you’re both different and you interact in different ways. And that is something that often gets neglected from these sort of big overviews of parenting.

As if there’s one size fits all that all parenting relations will be the same. No, every single one is unique. And every child is a unique individual who needs a different form of partnership. And that will look different, and it will take different forms. So I think that’s an important thing. But yes, we’ve broached the subject. I think we need to get into it. Specifically today, we’re talking about teenagers and teenage development and how that process looks and how that stage of development looks in terms of partnership. Can you tell us. Tell us about the. The teenage brain.

What is going on in there? And what special considerations do we need to have as parents when we’re dealing with a teenager? Sure. And again, I feel like we are really lucky because there is so much research right now. There’s so much more that we know about the teenage brain versus, you know, when I was raised and I have often heard, you know, well, teens are crazy because of raging hormones. Well, first of all, we know that hormones do not rage. They’re not angry. They’re actually just coming into maturation. And there are. The hormones are such a teeny part of the adolescent experience, really, what is going on inside of the brain.

The neurobiology is really fascinating. The brain is basically remodeling itself, and it’s taking all the information, the connections that the neural connections that the brain has made during the formative years and starting to prune away the things that are no longer important. So it’s as if the whole brain is being remodeled. And most of the time, people believe that teens are lazy. And in actuality, it’s just this kind of remodeling that’s happening. During this remodeling period, there is something called specialization, and this is why it’s really important. We’re going to get into this in a moment, but it’s really important to focus on things during the adolescent stage that deal with the inner world, which is why I teach Tools for Mental Health.

But what happens is the. The. The generalization. The things that are not of interest anymore to the teen, those connections go away. There’s something called myelination, and it’s basically creating a sheath around the connection, so that when the connections of this topic to this topic and those thoughts are thought more often, the myelination happens and there becomes a quicker way of processing these belief systems or these thoughts. I’m going to take another drink. And so what that means is you’re wiring your brain to be able to access these, these thoughts, or the connections between two different kinds of thoughts very, very quickly.

So that’s just one part, the other thing that’s happening. So this is, like I said, a huge remodeling. The other thing that’s happening is that we have something called the limbic system. And the limbic system is fully developed. And this is where emotions live inside the brain. And this part of the brain is very, very active, especially during the teen years. And I’m going to get into dopamine in a second because there’s a relationship between those two things. But if you can imagine that that highly fused emotions are happening, and with that happening, we’ve got, we are feeling those really, really big feelings.

Now, the other part of the brain that is still under construction is called the prefrontal cortex. And this is really important because this is the area of the brain that allows us to really process consequences or see things in the big picture. So if we’ve got these big feelings and we can’t see the big picture of what they mean, we oftentimes act on these big feelings because, like I said, the part that’s under construction, the prefrontal cortex does not allow us to actually process out consequences. And now you combine this with dopamine, dopamine receptors. We have the most dopamine receptors that you will have in your entire lifetime during adolescence.

So what does that mean? That means we are wired as adolescents to, you know, seek thrill and seek newness and boredom then becomes again another form of kryptonite to the teen brain. So you’ve got this hyper experiencing of emotions. You’ve got, you’ve got connections being made through the myelination process. You’ve got a lot of pruning happening, which really makes teens tune out to things that they’re not interested in anymore and to shift their interest levels to things that they never would have been interested in. Then you’ve got from the dopamines, you know, the, the high dopamine receptors.

And then from a psychological perspective, you’ve got identity formation. This is the time where we are wired to individuate. This is a time where in human evolutionary biology that we are going to start creating identities that are different than our family identities. And we’re asking really important questions like, who am I? Where do I belong in this world? You know, what am I meant to do? And what are the things that I like? So this concoction, all this stuff happening in the brain and all this stuff happening in the wiring is a thought. Now, as a parent of a teen, or in your case, a parent of a tween, right.

Who’s going to be moving into this? Having the knowledge that all of this stuff is happening will help you in your parenting. And the reason being is expecting somebody who, let’s say, is remodeling a kitchen to make you a full meal when you know everything is still under construction and offline. It’s not going to happen. So managing ourselves as parents, managing our expectations, and as I talk about in my book, understanding those spaces inside of us that have these capacity to judge, get angry, you know, have. Have these expectations that are not going to be met because.

Not because of what our child is doing, but because of our own triggers and our own upbringing and our own programming. So there’s a lot going on here. Yeah, I’ll leave it there for now. Well, again, there’s so much to dig into there. But I would say that one thing that occurs to me immediately is that one thing that I have learned so far in my parenting journey, and which will no doubt be reinforced in the coming years, is that children see what you do more so than they listen to what you say. And you are setting the example as to how to process emotions and how to work through issues, how to deal with problems as they arise, et cetera.

You are setting that example every single day by your actions, not just by your. What you say or what you tell your children to do. So I think that’s an important thing for any parent to keep in mind, especially parents of teenagers who are going, of course, through the teenage rebellion phase. But as you say, that is part of the development of an individuated human being and is something to be celebrated, really, because it is part of their process of becoming that independent, capable, sovereign adult human being that you want them to become. It can obviously be challenging because that rebellion manifests against authority generally.

But of course, the authority in their lives up to that point has been seen as a parent. So it’s going to manifest as rebellion against parents, generally speaking, if you are in that traditional parenting role and as opposed to partnering and forming a relationship with your. Your children. Having said that, now, this is where I think one of the reasons that we were talking just before we started recording about Ernest Hancock and my conversations with him about parenting. He was the one who spurred me into creating open sourceducation online. And part of his motivation in that was because he had seen his children back when they were going through their schooling indoctrination, being subjected specifically at that time of the middle school years to that type of programming where yes, your parents, they’re old fuddy duddies.

Don’t trust them, trust the state. And here’s the way you rebel. You rebel against your parents, but you, you fall into the arms of the state. And it’s exactly at that moment when these young developing teenage minds are becoming individuated that I think we have the best ability to reach them with truth about the actual power structure of society and who it might best serve their interests to rebel against, I. E. The state. So that was where the whole impetus for open source education online really came from. And I’d like to think that the type of work I do could inform, truly inform developing minds at that precise moment when they’re starting to question authority perhaps for the first times in their lives.

I think it’s an important part of that process. Anyway, I will leave that there for you to comment on. Yeah, I do agree with. I think one of the things that we should really look at here is obviously you’ve done shows about mass formation before and the powers that be know exactly how to touch on those specific needs of the teen as they’re starting to individuate and starting to rebel and create this sort of group think. I just recently wrote two articles on mass formation and the power that it has over teens and how as parents we need to create these safe spaces to have these conversations.

The conversations and the connection are vital during the teen years. They’re, they’re imperative and part of what you said. Yes, schools are saying, look at those old fuddy daddies. As you say, don’t connect with them, connect with us. That is part of the technique that they use. Part of though the benefit of creating partnerships in your families is that there is space for exploration and there are spaces that we can have these conversations about these opposing viewpoints. I knew a parent and I worked with the teen for almost four years and she was the daughter of a quite well known activists who had shows and, and did all sorts of very, very public things.

And when the daughter came out as you know, thinking that she was gay, that was so against the mother’s, you know, Persona and the things that he was talking about on stages and, and in her podcast and things like that. And she didn’t have the daughter that I worked with as she was. I worked with her from age, I think, 16 to 19. She didn’t feel like she had the space to talk to her mother about these things that were coming up, which was part of her individuating from her mother’s identity, part of her creating and her own path, part of her own ability to decide and try on new, new ways of being.

She didn’t have that space. And so, yes, I, I think through partnership parenting, and I’m working on my second book right now on this very topic. I think, yes, creating partnership in space and, and following all of these, these wonder wonderful ways of relating to one another means that there is danger that we say that we want to raise non status, but we have to let go of that expectation because they may decide that they want to be a communist. They may decide that that something that is totally contrary to the belief system that you have will be the thing that they’re running towards as they step you.

So creating the safe spaces for two opposing viewpoints to live in the same house without judgment, without, you know, being told that you’re wrong and that you’re stupid and creating dialogue around those things, that’s what you do to create connection. Right? It’s. It’s allowing the discomfort of the things that you may or may not align with to live right next to the things that you do align with and creating a safe space to have those. Can I just. Yeah, underline that? Thank you for pointing that out because that is such an important point and one that I try to make when I speak about parenting.

I do not want to teach my children what to think. I want to teach my children how to think. And they may come to very different conclusions than I have come to on even core fundamental topics. And I am still going to love them and I’m still going to be engaged in partnership with them. And we’re. Yes, finding that space to live with people, even if they disagree with you, is an art that is quickly being lost as we plunge into the online world of train trolls and flame wars. And I hate you because you don’t think what I think.

And yes, again, again, I think that’s part of setting the example. If we cannot set the example of how to live with people who we disagree with, then how on earth are we ever going to live in broader human society? Yeah, very, very true. Yeah, I agree with you there. Yeah. All right, so let’s let’s go back to absolute core essentials. Your book is called Seen, Heard, and Understood. And I would presume that that is because one of the core issues that parents have when dealing with teenagers is generally they. Teenagers feel unseen, unheard, misunderstood, because parents are trying to tell them what to do.

Talk about that core issue. How do you help a teenager realize they are seen, they are heard, they are understood. So I use a lot of tools for exploring the inner world. And the project that I started with my son was really about creating experiences, exploring the outer world. But I learned quite quickly that the outer world experiences that we were having were just a reflection of the inner world. And this really drilled home to me, the need for greater emotional intelligence. And it’s really funny, every time I start a call with a parent, we talk about, you know what, how do you feel your level of emotional intelligence is in your family? Do you talk about feelings? Are you in tune with your.

Your feelings and your emotions? Can you name them? And nine times out of 10, parents will say, oh, yes, I’m highly emotionally intelligent. I will tell you right now, I feel like my teen is disrespectful. And I just sit back and I listen and listen. And then in reflection, you know, I. I give them the opportunity to reflect back as to. To, you know, what I just heard and how they said it. Well, what you said was a thought, and it was a judgment, and you just use the language of feelings, using the word I feel.

And really, what you need to. What. What you mean by that is something inside of me is not in alignment. So most of the families that I work with think that in the beginning that they are. They have this high level of emotional intelligence, when in actuality, they’re not practicing that at all. And they’re. They’re weaponizing the. The feelings, the emotions as a way to reflect back to their teen that they’re wrong. And so one of the tools that I use is, you know, emotions wheels, and I use scaling tools and things of that nature in order to help people first name the emotion.

What is it that you’re feeling? And most of the time, we’re trained to tell the story about why that emotion sits there and what that emotion means. So understanding about the language of feelings and emotions is a big part of it. Once they can identify that, we learn things like, guess what? Emotions, feelings aren’t truth. They come through us. They give us information. They inform us when we are not in alignment. And that just. Just that simple awareness by itself starts to shift the way that people interact with one another. I use many, many, many tools.

I use tools surrounding fear. I use tools surrounding triggers which are tied to emotions, of course. And one of the. The teens that I worked with for many years was, we could talk about diagnoses in a minute. But he was diagnosed with odd and he. What he came to me, his mother said that he has an impulse control. And so using the language that he understood every single week, we went through his week and identified what did he do based on impulse, what did he do that was based on response. And little by little, using that kind of language, we were able to help him shift his awareness and become the watcher of his own behavior.

Behavior is not going to be shifted by anybody else. And partially, again, why I object to using gentle parenting techniques or peaceful parenting techniques is because it’s about the manipulation of somebody’s behavior. But I think once you empower somebody to use tools and as the parent facilitator, doing your own work and understanding those kinds of reactions that are happening inside of you, and instead of, again, being impulsive, taking the time to pause and learning to respond in a way that, number one, creates connection and number two, being able to. I. Sorry, I got distracted by the thumbs up.

Does that happen? I have no idea. It just happened. That was really bizarre. And to create a environment of curiosity, curiosity. Knowing about you, knowing about why you made those decisions. And even when you don’t know, there’s space for conversation and space for greater discovery of oneself. Yeah. You know, again, there’s. There’s so much to get into here, but you’ve mentioned it a couple of times now. It is your website, after all, transformative mentoring 14s. Tell us about the mentoring services you provide and how people who are interested can find out more. Sure. Well, I do work with teens, obviously.

I teach teens tools for mental health. I teach them, I work one on one with them. And I also teach courses. So the courses are really wonderful in a way where there is a lot of social learning and there’s a lot of feedback. And what makes that really remarkable is teen after teen after teen. And I’ve done probably 30 cohorts of this right after the courses. Teens say, I thought it was the only one. I’m not so different, I’m not so alone. Like, those kinds of exhales with that realization that they are not unique in their own struggles really creates a way for them to kind of relax into the whole process.

I educate them as to what’s going on in terms of their Internal worlds. They didn’t know. Most. Most of the teens that I’ve worked with, and I’ve worked with hundreds of them. I would say maybe one or two out of the hundreds of teens that I’ve worked with knew anything about neurobiology. But we use the. The analogy of a computer. So we talk about programming, we talk about hardware, we talk about software, and it’s. It’s a paradigm that they can understand. So in my courses, we go over lots and lots of different things, lots of different focuses.

We talk about core values, we talk about triggers, we talk about learning to really resonate with our own emotions. We learn about beliefs, we learn about shadows. We do some shadow work. Lots of different things. And the courses themselves are. They’re. They run on a particular schedule, and that’s nice because they get an exposure to all of these different things within their inner world. I also do work one on one with teens, and I also do work one on one with parents in service to their teens, so. Or tweens, whatever the problems may be. My focus is always about partnership.

I start this from the perspective of, you know, this is what I know. But there are blind spots and spaces where I do not know everything. And I need for you to give me as much information and I’ll share quite openly and candidly about what I discovered in my own journey as somebody who grew up with abuse and had to reprogram a lot of my belief systems. So I do have experience with trauma. I do have experience with a lot of these different topics. And I am a counselor. And yeah, that’s what I do. That in addition to the stuff that I do with my son, where we partner bringing teens to different places in the world.

But we could talk about that some the of other time. You know, Laney, there. One of the things that this conversation has really sparked in me is that you talk about, for example, not manipulating people into certain behavior, but providing them with the tools to change their own behavior if and when they want to. And that resonates with me and my own personal experience. Every truly transformative event in my life that’s ever happened, any fundamental change in my worldview or my character has come about through something that has happened inside of me, not someone imposing that from outside of me.

Or you talk about that moment of exhalation, of relief, of, hey, somebody understood I’m not alone. There is. There are other people out there. And I hear that almost every day in the feedback I get from people. You know, I. No one understands. I’m trying to tell them about the Federal Reserve or whatever. And they all think I’m crazy. I just want. It’s so good to know there are other people out there who think the same thing. It strikes me with so many of these things, it’s almost like teenagers aren’t some foreign, different, weird species of alien, you know, has descended from the, the heavens or something.

No, these are just human beings who are having human reactions exactly like we all do. And if we treated them more like human beings, independent, sovereign human beings, maybe we could further our relationships with them. So, yes, a lot to chew on and think about with regards to this conversation. And as my children start to pass into those teenage years, I’m sure I’m going to have a lot more questions and, and thoughts for conversations like this one in the future. But I’ll just leave you with any final words before we wrap up here. Perfect. I did want to kind of go back to the brain development thing that I said I was going to touch on earlier.

As adolescents are becoming specialists and they are starting to, like I said, create those myelination, those, those pathways in their brains that help them access different things that interest them at a much quicker rate. Right. They don’t have to go from this neural path or this firing neuron to this one, to this one, to this one. And that takes some time. This is a straight path. It’s important that we expose them to tools for mental health, for understanding their inner worlds, because these are tools that they can use for life. We are really supporting sovereign, individual people that are accountable as we become adults.

We are accountable for our reactions regardless of the type of upbringing that we had. So this is how we create people or raise people in this, on this planet. So hopefully they won’t be status, but I let go of any expectation of what they decide that they want. Yeah, it’s, it’s a lot to take in and I know for some people this will be such a paradigm shifting point of view that they will have to delve into it in more detail. So we will direct them once again to transformative mentoringforteens.com and to the book Seen, Heard and Understood.

The links will of course be in the show notes for this conversation. And as I say, I’m sure we’ll have more to talk about in the future, but let’s leave it there for today. Laney Liberty, thank you very much for your time and for sharing your insights. Thank you. Thank you very much. I really appreciate being here. It’s, it’s a big honor.
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