➡ Christine, the speaker, spent several months waiting for a response from Health Canada about a query she had. After receiving the first response, she began reaching out to other institutions like the Public Health Agency of Canada and various universities. She shared the responses she received on social media, which led to a large project with people worldwide participating. Despite facing some backlash and bans on social media platforms, she persisted and continued to share the information she gathered. She also mentioned her website where she posts all the responses she receives. She briefly discussed her previous work on water fluoridation in Canada, but stated that she had to put that aside to focus on her current project. She also shared some personal impacts of her work, including losing her job and getting arrested for trying to serve a notice to a medical officer of health.

➡ The text discusses a situation where medical professionals are questioning certain health practices due to increased pressure. It also mentions a case in Canada where farmers were ordered to kill all their ostriches due to a disease scare. The speaker praises a person named Christine for her fact-based approach to these issues and invites listeners to a private webinar for further discussion.

Hey, friends! Peggy Hall back with you from thehealthyamerican.org. You probably know my guest, Christine Massey. If you are a part of standing up for your health, for truth, if you have been on the lines of defending truth and freedom for the last several years, then you know about Christine Massey. She is the author of a very popular sub-stack. And Christine, I just want to thank you for joining me today. She’ll be my guest on Saturday at our private webinar, so welcome on board to the Healthy American Show. Thank you so much, Peggy. I’m a big fan of yours.

I don’t have time to read every single thing, but I check out all your articles quickly, and I really appreciate what you’re doing. I think you’re awesome. Well, thank you so much, Christine. What I love about these last few years is the powers that shouldn’t be, the tyrants and the oppressors that tried to keep us down and seal our freedom, our health, our joy. It kind of boomeranged because we ended up meeting. I can speak for myself. I have met so many amazing people over the years. I have grown in my knowledge about our rights, about health, about how the government works and how it shouldn’t be doing certain things.

So whereas the evildoers tried to keep us down, in many ways, it actually propelled us forward. And I know you’re coming on today, you’re not feeling 100%, no friends, she doesn’t have cooties because her whole work has been about exposing the cooties hogwash. You know that I’ve got my own language here to outwit the nitwits. We’re going to speak freely in an uncensored manner in the private webinar, which is going to be this Saturday for all of my financial supporters. If you think you should have been invited, please email support at the healthyamerican.org. We’ll get you squared away.

But enough of all that, let’s dive right in, Christine. Tell us a little bit about yourself and your background kind of leading up to 2020. And then what happened, and how did you know what was going on? Okay, so my background, it’s not terribly interesting. I’m a pretty run-of-the-mill lady. And I’m in Ontario, which is one of the provinces of Canada. And I guess the two probably most notable or relevant things would be that one, for about 10 years before, I just call it the hogwash, began, I was almost obsessed, to be honest, with the topic of water floridation.

So I was really heavily opposed to that and had very, very involved in that. And then the other thing was, in terms of professionally, I had worked as a statistician with cancer researchers. So it wasn’t directly relevant, but it did require me to pay close attention to details and be very logical, that sort of thing. It’s kind of funny, because looking back, I did work on two so-called HPV studies, and that was very interesting to find out, and we can talk about that on Saturday. Yeah, so the fact that I had the background opposing water floridation, I had already had a lot of interaction with the public health so-called community, where I live.

And through those years, I became very aware that you cannot just take whatever the medical officers are saying at face value. They have a lot of double standards. They have an agenda, and that’s why I saw with COVID, it was very much, okay, there’s an agenda, everybody’s on board with it. And it became quickly, I could see it was very reminiscent with what happens when you’re talking about something like water floridation, where they have different standards for their level of evidence that they need to say that something’s safe and effective. But then when you’re showing them evidence of harm, they’ll nitpick through the studies and, you know, very inconsistent.

So, yeah, I was just, I wasn’t, I never got caught up in the fear. And as time went on, I started out looking at the tests, really, it was what I was focusing on at first, trying to figure out what’s going on with these tests. And then as time went on, I came to realize there were even deeper levels to the hogwash, as you call it. So, yeah, it was a progression. That is so interesting. So your background really set you up. You knew how to research. You had been diving into this water floridation issue, which, thankfully, more and more, in the United States, it’s municipal government.

So it’s like there are water boards. Is that the same in Canada? It’s the same as municipal. Yes. Yeah. So those battles are being fought locally. I’m currently in Florida, and many of the counties are now getting rid of the water floridation. They’re looking at it. And it’s like the box has been opened, and people are more aware. So as we were talking, you know, it’s kind of backfired the powers that shouldn’t be trying to repress us and oppress us. Yet I think it opened up the eyes of so many more people. So you were in a perfect position to do the research.

You knew not to trust what these health agencies were telling you. And what was the first government that you reached out to to ask for specific information? And how did you word that? And friends, this is really the crux of Christine’s impact over the last several years. Christine, you’ve been noted and cited in so many different arenas of you brought the hard facts. So how did you know what to ask for in word? And did that change over time? Yeah, so I give all credit to Dr. Andrew Kaufman, because until I came across one of his presentations, I was assuming that the core premise of the entire hogwash was accurate.

And then I came across a presentation from him and he was explaining in a very simple way that anybody could understand that there were actually very foundational problems with the evidence being presented for the official narrative. So it was because of him, I found this out. And I did some fact checking. I looked at the studies that he talked about. And I said, wow, this is really, you know, this is interesting. It hadn’t even occurred to me. And so then I got started, I thought, well, I can do some fact checking here, because what, you know, what this topic is about, it’s very, it’s going to sound outrageous and outlandish to the average person.

So I thought, well, I’ll do some fact checking. And I had some experience already up until that point with freedom of information requests. So I thought, well, I’ll start doing that. I sent my first one to Health Canada. It was May 14th, 2020. And what I was asking them for was, do you have any records authored by anyone anywhere in the world? It didn’t have to be something that was written by their researchers, where someone had found this purported particle that they’re calling SARS-CoV-2 in the bodily fluid or tissue of any sick person who supposedly had COVID.

And finding it and purifying it. And really, I mean, to even know that you had found that specific particle that they were talking about, you would have to purify first. And the reason for that is in order to sequence and characterize the particle in a valid manner, meaning, you know, figure out its supposed genome, what proteins does it have, other characteristics. You have to purify first because otherwise you’re going to be analyzing this soup of material from different sources and you can’t make definitive statements about one specific particle. So that was the foundational step that I focused on.

Just show me a study where somebody actually found particles that they think are what we were being told it was and purify it. Because if they didn’t do that first step, then I know they couldn’t have followed through with proper scientific analyses. So that was what I focused on and I did my best to make it very, very clear. I did change my wording over time because the word I was starting out with is the word that is used by the so-called scientists, which is isolation. And to the average man or woman, it simply means you get something by itself, right? So it sounds like they did do this when you look at some of their studies.

You see the headline and you see the abstract and they say they isolated this thing. And so I was added some extra lines in my first request and dozens and dozens of them where I was just saying, just to be super, super clear here, what I’m talking about is not XYZ, all these other things that they tend to do in their studies. I’m literally just talking about something, a study where they found this supposed particle and separated it from everything else in the clinical sample. So it was pretty lengthy and wordy, but I was just trying to be really, really careful so that they don’t send me studies that are not actually relevant to what I’m looking for.

Just to try to keep it very simple for the public so that they can look at the response and go, what? Wait a minute. What’s going on here? So yeah. So when you did that and how long did it take to get information back or lack of information back the first time you sent this out? That’s a good question. I’ve actually kind of forgotten now. I think it probably took a few months with Health Canada. It normally would be about they would have like a 30-day window that they should try to respond. And I think it must have been several months for that one.

And in the meantime, were you reaching out to others or were you still waiting for that? I think I might have waited until I had that first response. And then I started asking Public Health Agency of Canada. And then I continued on from there. I was asking federal institutions. I moved on to universities, the local public health unit, so-called, where I was living. And yeah, so as, yeah, eventually I started asking all around. And then as I was getting the responses, I was also putting them on social media. So other people were seeing them and they were saying, oh, Christine, do you mind if I use the same wording and I’ll file where I live? So it ended up being this huge project with people around the world jumping in and helping.

And so we have a massive, massive body now of these responses that are just incredible. Well, I mean, I’m curious. So were you already on social media prior to this? Did you have Instagram or Snapchat or YouTube or anything? Or how did you, was it Facebook? How did you start to communicate this to people because they were trying to shut down this information? Yeah. In the very beginning, I was on Twitter. I had been on Facebook years prior, but I’d got fed up with it and left it. So I was on Twitter at the time.

And I guess maybe because, I mean, these are official legal responses from the institution. So it’s kind of hard to say, you know, that somebody’s spreading misinformation. I’m just looking at what they’re saying. It’s not me saying it’s them. Of course, then, you know, when I would go a little further and make broader statements about what was going on and that didn’t go over well. And I did get, you know, banned. I forget what they call it on Twitter. I’m out of there. I’m not into this. It became so toxic in that forum that it was better for me not to be on it.

But yeah, I was I had some times where I was banned and of course, you know, but persevered and people were catching on and they were, you know, people in the so-called freedom movement. They were also following Andy Kaufman and Tom Cowan. And then we filmed Sam and Mark Bailey from New Zealand and other people, Dr. Stefa Monica. You’re hitting all the top notes. Yes, they’re all the authentic. Yeah, they know they know what’s going on. And that is really wonderful. How many do you have a number like how many institutions, governments, counties? You’ve done it in the United States.

You’ve done it in other countries as well. Yeah. So where we’re at today, this is just with regard to that supposed particle. Yes. It was being blamed for that was the premise for all the hogwash. That specific particle questions about it being found and purified. We have 225 different institutions from 40 different countries on record, and they have all been publicly available all this time. I was always putting them on my website for anybody to read and download. We have and that’s if you count each institution, we have eight different responses from the CDC alone. Because different people were asking at different time points and just double checking.

Okay, six months later, do you have anything yet? And they, you know, it’s just not there. We also received a couple of really important responses where, for example, the CDC admitted in one response that what we asked for was never done in virology. And we had another Canadian institution say the same thing. So that was very significant. That is incredible. I mean, kudos and bravo. What is your website, Christine, where people can find you? It’s floridefreepeel.ca. You put a link for everybody. Okay, thank you. Yeah, I’ll just remind people it’s FLU. Oh, not OU because people.

Yeah, FLU. Oh, okay. Yeah. And PEL is P-E-E-L. That’s the name of the area that I was living in. So my website was devoted to the fluoridation. Yeah. Okay. Well, let’s talk about that for just a moment. How is that issue going in Canada? Is fluoride coming out of the water? You know what? Well, first of all, years ago, I used to get involved in all different issues, and I would feel scattered and overwhelmed. And I realized, too, I’ll be more effective if I focus on one thing at a time, and it’s better for my mental health.

So when I started realizing what was going on with the hogwash and just how false the narrative was, I decided to put the water fluoridation aside. So, of course, I sort of keep an eye on what’s going on there, and I know about the federal lawsuit that happened with the EPA not that long ago. But I’m not super up to date, but what I do know that despite the fact that there has been a federal court case in the United States against the EPA where the judge ruled after I think it was seven years that the lawsuit went on for, that water fluoridation poses an unreasonable risk to children’s brains.

The community where I live, they’re still fluoridating, and I haven’t been hearing it. In Quebec, things have been much better, and Montreal is planning to stop. But shockingly, which city is it? It’s out in Alberta, I’m sorry, I’m blanking out, but they had stopped fluoridating years ago because of the activists were kicking up such a fuss. And they said, okay, we’ll stop for five years, and we’ll see what happens. Well, then they published this ridiculous study that was, you know, very contrived. And I can point people towards more information about that if they want. Calgary, sorry.

They made it look like, oh, my goodness, the cavities have gotten much worse since we stopped fluoridating. And it wasn’t true at all. So they are now, since the federal court case, they’re actually planning on restarting fluoridation, which to me is just beyond shocking. Like, I literally believe these people, they just belong in jail. They belong in jail 100%. I mean, your surgeon general has said how shocked he was when he finally looked at the research and he didn’t see how anybody could even consider fluoridating after what he actually learned about the research. So, yeah, that it’s hard to believe what’s going on.

That’s where we’re at. Wow, that is really something. I want to ask Christine, what kind of personal impacts has your work had? Like, have you had, you know, a lot of us, we found that we’ve had broken relationships with family and friends. Some people have been booted out of their jobs. There’s been some backlash, you know, death threats for some of us, just, you know, different kinds of things. Have you experienced any fallout from the work you’re doing? I’ve had some, yeah, I was working, it wasn’t like a career tape job that I really cared about, but I was working part time when all the hogwash began, and I got fired because I wouldn’t diaper my face.

So, yeah, that was, it wasn’t a huge, huge, I mean, of course, it was a loss, but it actually worked out better that gave me more time to do what I was doing. In terms of family and friends, I’ve been pretty lucky. My family is pretty cool about things. There haven’t been any, you know, there’s been a few friendships here and there that aren’t as what they used to be, but, and I did get arrested. I was charged criminally because some colleagues and I went, we wanted to serve a notice to the medical officer of health.

I was living in a different community at that time, and what they had done, I had seen videos of other people, concerned parents, these were parents who were concerned about the injections, and they were going to the health unit, just asking for things like, can you give us the package insert, we would like to see a copy, things like that. And they were treated horribly and security guards were hired, and it got to the point that they wouldn’t even let people step foot in the building. So I tried once, I went all by myself, it wasn’t a protest, it wasn’t anything outrageous, I was just going to go in the building, go to the health unit and serve the medical officer a notice of cease and desist and an evidence package.

Well, they wouldn’t even let me in the building and gave me a trespass ticket. And so then, with a few colleagues, I said, well, you know, if they won’t let us serve him at the health unit, someone knew where he lived. So we said, let’s, we’ll just go to his home and it’ll be very polite and not a protest, just I’ll have some witnesses, I’ll go to his door, I’ll give him the paperwork and yeah, I got two criminal charges for doing that, which was, didn’t make any sense at all. Was that like 2020 or 2021, the early days? It was, it was 20, I think it was January of 2022, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, so it was well into the, yeah, it was well into the injections. Yeah, yeah, stunning. I know it. The pushback was just so apparent that this was something. And as I say, there’s been a boomerang effect. We worked with a lot of medical professionals that were getting their waivers saying like I’m not going to participate in this. And what we heard from a lot of doctors and nurses and others who said, you know, not only am I not doing this one, but I’m never doing the flu one again and I’m not doing the tetanus and I’m not doing the hepatitis I’m not doing all those others.

Because they pushed me so hard that it really made me go, why are they doing that? Because all the other years, we kind of had an option, do it or not do it in a medical setting, they did wear masks, but it made them really question it. So it really backfired in many ways. The final question I have for you on this interview and friends, a reminder that Christine is going to be our honored guest on Saturday’s private webinar for all of our donors, all of our financial supporters, where you’ll be able to ask her questions in the live chat, we can dive in a little bit more as to what these agencies said in their replies.

And I just really want to applaud you for going this matter of fact route. I mean, it was not, I call it flu mongering, right? You were not doing the doom and gloom, you were not trying, you were just like, well, let’s get the facts. If you’re telling us this is what’s happening, back it up with evidence. It’s really simple. It’s so simple. And it’s so important. Now, my question for you is about what’s coming next, because in the United States, we’ve got all of the bird flu mongering, where they’re, you know, they’re coming out with these cocktails, as I call them for the birds.

And it’s in the news, we’re seeing predictive programming for these topics. Is that happening in Canada as well? It’s happening. I’m not sure to what degree because I just don’t even look at the news anymore. I just can’t tolerate any of it. Right. I do know from being on social media, but there’s a situation that’s getting a lot of attention and is being talked about by the mainstream, I believe, where the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, has told some ostrich farmers in British Columbia that they have to kill all 400 of their ostriches. And it’s because the farmers were actually, I believe, they were doing research on their animals and some got sick and died.

I can’t say why they died, but some got sick and died. And someone reported it apparently to the agency. And so I guess someone showed up and they did two PCR tests on two dead ostriches and they got their fake meaningless positive results. And for that, they ordered the farmers to kill all 400 of their ostriches. So that’s been an ongoing thing. There’s a court case and whatnot. So that’s getting some talk. But it’s very scary to see what’s going on around the world and in the United States and it’s ridiculous. It has to stop. I have a little information about that we could talk about on Saturday.

Okay, great. That’ll be wonderful. We’ll leave on that note. Friends, thank you for joining us today for this very special interview with Christine, who has been fighting on the front lines in a very matter of fact, science-backed approach to just get evidence for these statements and premises and actions that are being taken, not just in the United States, but in Canada and worldwide. So thank you so much for coming on, Christine. Thank you for all the work you do. And stick with me just a moment. Friends, you know where to find me? Peggy Hall.substack.com will have a summarized written analysis and written summary of what we talked about here.

And then of course, join us on Saturday for the deep dive. And you know where to find me every weekday, Monday through Friday, 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern for the Healthy American Deep Dives. Thanks, everybody. And I’ll look forward to seeing you next time. Thank you, Christine. Thank you so much, Peggy. I appreciate it. God bless. [tr:trw].

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