➡ The human body naturally gets rid of harmful substances. Problems arise when there are physical, emotional, or energetic blocks, like those caused by surgeries or dental traumas. In this episode of the True Health Report, Dr. Andrew Kaufman discusses homotoxicology, a theory from 1948 about natural healing. The theory suggests that symptoms are clues to the body’s adaptability and progression of disease, offering a roadmap to health, rather than just problems to be suppressed.
➡ The text discusses how blockages, both physical and emotional, can prevent the body’s natural healing processes. Physical blockages can be caused by surgeries, dental traumas, and birth traumas, which can lead to stagnation in certain areas. Emotional blockages, on the other hand, can be caused by how we process our emotions, with unresolved emotional trauma potentially leading to physical health issues. The text emphasizes the importance of addressing both physical and emotional blockages to promote healing and prevent disease.
➡ The text discusses the connection between emotional trauma and physical health, based on Eastern philosophy. It suggests that unresolved emotions can lead to physical ailments, and these can be traced back to specific life events. The text also highlights the importance of bodywork, like massage, in releasing these trapped emotions. It criticizes unnecessary medical procedures, suggesting they can cause emotional and physical trauma.
➡ The text discusses a chart that helps understand diseases and their progression. It explains that diseases start superficially and go deeper into the body, from acute to chronic stages. The chart also shows how the body tries to eliminate toxins, starting with excretion (like sweating and coughing), then inflammation (like acne), and if these are suppressed, the disease goes deeper. The text emphasizes that inflammation is a natural healing process, not a problem.
➡ The text discusses the body’s natural healing process, emphasizing the importance of inflammation as a healing mechanism. It criticizes the use of anti-inflammatories, arguing that they interfere with the body’s healing process. The text also discusses the role of emotional health in physical conditions like obesity, suggesting that emotional stress can lead to weight gain. It concludes by highlighting the importance of addressing both physical and emotional blockages for overall health.
➡ The text discusses the importance of understanding a person’s health history and recognizing patterns to identify health issues. It emphasizes the need for a detective-like approach, using tools like blood tests and history forms, to uncover underlying problems. The text also discusses the use of natural remedies, like essential oils and castor oil, to treat physical scars and blockages. However, it stresses the importance of knowing which scar the body is ready to work on, suggesting that a holistic and individualized approach is key to effective treatment.
➡ The text discusses the importance of proper scar treatment and the potential issues that can arise if not handled correctly. It emphasizes the need for professional guidance in treating scars to avoid complications. The text also explores the connection between birth trauma, specifically related to the umbilical cord, and health issues later in life, such as mononucleosis. Lastly, it highlights the body’s ability to heal and the importance of maintaining a healthy flow within the body to prevent disease.
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➡ The text discusses the body’s natural ability to adapt and heal itself, focusing on issues like heavy metal toxicity, fungus, and emotional stagnation. It emphasizes the importance of understanding our bodies and not suppressing symptoms, as they are often signs of the body trying to heal. The text also highlights the role of emotional and physical traumas in our health and the need to address them for optimal health. Lastly, it criticizes the medical industry’s focus on treating symptoms rather than understanding and supporting the body’s healing processes.
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The human body is designed to excrete toxins. We ingest a poison, whether it’s intentional or not, the body’s going to eliminate it. Right. And if we’ve got blocks, then that’s where we start to have issues. So when we’re looking at, let’s say, physical blocks, we’re looking at surgeries. Surgeries are physical and energetic and an emotional block. So they’re going to create a traction line. You know, a scar is like a zipper that’s too tight on your body, so it pulls the body out of alignment. Then we start to get stagnations in certain areas. Dental traumas are a huge part of what we see.

Birth traumas, just how they treat the umbilical cord. We can delve into the emotional components behind this as well. This is the True Health Report, where critical appraisal fuels true freedom. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the True Health Report. I’m your host, Dr. Andrew Kaufman. Today we’re going to cover a specific theory within terrain theory or within terrain based medicine. And it’s been my goal to bring more content on this area, like my recent interview with Dr. Arce about pleomorphism. And today I bring on two other major figures in this space, and we’re going to talk about homotoxicology, a theory developed in 1948 that has a lot of relevance to how I’ve been talking about natural healing.

So welcome to the stage once again, Adam and Josh Biggleson. All right, thanks for having us again, Andy. Oh, it’s great to see you guys. Great to see you. Always having the Biggleson family reunion with me. And unfortunately, it’s been several months since we got to see each other in person, but hopefully we’ll have an opportunity soon. Yes, I support that. Always fun. So can you give a little introduction to this topic? I know I asked you specifically to come on and talk about this because it’s very underrepresented, I think, in the educational material out there.

And it’s really helped me fine tune my approach to natural healing, to conceptualize it this way, and also especially to troubleshoot with, you know, people that are not having the results that they had anticipated. So if you want to kind of just lay it out there, let’s go. All right, here we go. Homotoxicology. On your mark. Get set. So one of the things Josh and I would say to people, the most basic experience with our view, we talk about the microzymates, the symbionts, the bions, whatever you want to call them, the little Microscopic guys we see in the blood that are not nanobots.

And these little guys will morph and change through the process of pleomorphism. They all morph into bacteria and fungus to help us due to blocks in the body, physical blocks, energetic emotional blocks. As these things adapt, then we can see symptoms on that homotoxicology chart, which has to do with the patterns and progressions of disease, or dis ease. Our father said he combined three divine philosophies, and the first one is this homotoxicology, looking at the patterns and progressions that have brought people to their moment of dis ease. So the chart’s awesome. It’s very important and very few people do know about it.

We just got a nice text from Mark Bailey that he was reading dad’s book, and he was thrilled with the section on homotoxicology for us. Andy, this chart, which I have laminated in my backpack because I’m such a nerd, right. Theomorphism on the background, it’s. It really helps us see where people are at, and it has a lot to do with people’s adaptability. Well, Adam, if you will, before we. We get there, like, it sounds like this is kind of a theory of pathophysiology, right, of the initiation and progression of disease that we’re talking about here.

Right. And we’ll definitely get into it in a granular way. But, like, perhaps you could start by just comparing and contrasting this theory with the allopathic theory of disease. Ah, yes, we can do that. So with the allopathic conventional experience, you’ve got that the simple idea of the germ, right? It’s going to attack the system. We have these invaders that will come in and mess everything up. So the way we look at it is very different. These things are a part of nature. We’re a part of nature, and they’re helping us to regulate what’s going on.

So typically we look at symptoms with the conventional experience, which are not fun, and we want to stop the symptoms, we want to suppress these things. But for us, they’re clues. This is the body telling you where it’s at in its adaptability experience. So it’s really two very different approaches. And this is, you’ll love. This was one of the first conversations I ever had with ChatGPT. The very first one actually was saying homotoxicology, six phases that shows a progression of disease. Western medicine, conventional medicine with pharmaceuticals, suppresses symptoms. So the idea in the United States, they say one in three Americans are going to cancer, going to get it and the average American’s on three to five pharmaceuticals.

So I said, we have stage one, and then we take a pharmaceutical to suppress. Then we get to stage two. We’re pushing things deeper, suppressing, suppressing to the point where aren’t these suppression components actually creating the stagnations and facilitating more blocks and creating the cancers of the world? And this was my first conversation, like as a chatgpt, and it said, yes, that makes perfect sense. So it’s a good. So this, so this fundamental, you know, different interpretation of symptoms, Right. Because we were raised to think that symptoms mean that our body is being damaged. Right. And it’s almost like conflating symptoms with the cause.

Right. Because if there’s no symptoms, then the damage is, you know, is arrested or reversed. Whereas in homotoxicology, symptoms are, you know, one, a sign that your body is trying to heal, and then two, information of exactly where it is in that process and, you know, is it even, you know, at near the point of no return? Right. It does a good job of correlating, you know, when you support the symptoms, when the symptoms start to get a little more intense, different things that you might need to do as it goes deeper down in the system.

So it really shows you of the progression of how the disease works into the body. And then it gives you clues if you use your. Your brain to start to reverse those things in the proper, you know, in the proper fashion. So that’s what’s the brilliance of homotoxicology. And dad would say that a physician doesn’t understand homotoxicology. They don’t understand how disease progresses. And then at that point, if you don’t understand how disease progresses, what are you going to do to try to fix that? You’re just guessing. So it really helps simplify things. So in a way, you’re saying it kind of provides a roadmap where you can find out where you are and the safest route back home.

Absolutely, yes, absolutely. That’s what’s brilliant about it. Now, what does homotoxicology say is the actual cause of disease? Well, that’s pretty funny. I think as we get into it, we can tell you what our dad’s conclusion was. The cause of disease. And you can go deep down the rabbit hole with homotoxicology. And some of the, you know, some of their treatments are really more allopathic, even though they’re homeopathic in nature. So we don’t pay too much attention to a lot of the recommendations for how they would treat things because it’s still kind of symptom based. But dad’s conclusion after years of working with this concept that the toxin referred to in homotoxicology was doctors.

At a minimum, they’re the purveyor of some of the toxins. Right. But, but the, the, you know, Reykjavik who formulated this theory called them homotoxins, Right. And divided them into endogenous and exogenous toxins. Right. Endogenous toxins being things our own body produces like metabolic intermediates for example. And exogenous would be include pharmaceuticals and a variety of other chemicals, both some from nature. Right. Like there are toxic things in nature like most plants are poisonous to eat, for example. And, but of course, man made chemicals is really probably one of the main culprits here. Would you, would you agree with that? Yeah.

And as Adam explains the progression for you, you can see how the man made chemicals really start to push the sickness deeper down into the system to the point where they’re causing a lot of the chronic issues or they’re accelerating that course towards chronic disease. Now in the, you know, theory that Reckweg developed, he talked a lot about the ground substance, right. Which is kind of interpreted to be in modern terms the extracellular matrix and the connective tissue. And of course that figures into the chart that we’re going to go through. Can you tell us a little bit more about like the role of those types of tissues in this model of pathophysiology? Well, I think a lot of it’s going to be related as we get into the deposition and the impregnation phase.

And I still think there’s some vagueness to what’s being explained through the chart. So when we talk about depositing and impregnating, he talks about being impregnated into the actual tissues itself. So you know, that’s for us, we tend to break that down into certain areas. So if the, if it’s impregnated into a certain area, why is it stuck in that area is what we’re looking for. Why is it impregnating? Where’s the block that’s leading to that? So for us it’s the location as opposed to. Oh, what’s the word? How do I explain that? Well, Adam, the type of tissue.

Yeah, yeah. For us we’re looking at the location. What the chart will help you do is as it deposits is going to go deeper down into certain systems. So whatever system it’s affecting will tell you a lot about the tissue that’s associated with it. Right. So what I’m talking about, the ground substance is kind of like maybe a dividing line where if it’s above that layer in the depth that it goes, right. There’s sort of a different disease progression than if it goes deeper than that and into the organs. Now, you mentioned that there are blockages that occur, right, that prevent the body’s natural healing processes.

And of course, one of those, which may be obvious is just if the homotoxin that is the cause, more of it keeps coming into the body, that it can’t get out as much as it’s coming in. But what are the other types of blockages? Because that one would probably, on a. On a good, clean healing protocol, would the body would be able to overcome that. But there are some blockages that. It takes different kinds of approaches. So can you, like, categorize what types of things would result in that? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it’s a good point.

One, the human body is designed to excrete toxins. You know, that that’s what it does. We’re being bombarded by who knows what on a daily basis. And that’s what the human body is designed to do. You know, we ingest a poison, whether it’s intentional or not, the body’s going to eliminate it. Right. And if we’ve got blocks, then that’s where we start to have issues. So for us, when we’re looking at, let’s say, physical blocks, we’re looking at surgeries. You know, surgeries are physical and energetic and an emotional block. So they’re going to create a traction line.

You know, a scar is like a zipper that’s too tight on your body, so it pulls the body out of alignment. Then we start to get stagnations in certain areas. Dental traumas are a huge part of what we see. Birth traumas, just how they treat the umbilical cord. We can delve into the emotional components behind this as well. But that might be a story, and that makes sense, Josh, because many illnesses sort of manifest right after pregnancy. Oh, absolutely. Like rheumatoid arthritis, for example, is one well known. So so much of it is that the pelvis isn’t set properly after pregnancy in so many ways because it can be a pretty intense experience depending on what the doctors are doing.

So that cranial sacral pump gets jammed up a lot of times after pregnancy. Now, the cerebral spinal fluid isn’t nourishing the nervous system, and that can lead to all sorts of different issues. You know, that’s where your postpartum depression and things like that come from. So yeah, we see a lot. You know, not to mention, let’s say it’s a cesarean section. You know, then you’ve got these massive adhesions, you’ve got this massive scar tissue. You know, the body’s adjusting to going through this nine month period that’s, that’s pretty intense. And now you’re scarring the body and creating traction lines and things like that.

So yeah, the birth, the birth trauma for the child and for the, for the mother itself can certainly dictate whether they’re going to be healthy or going more towards a disease issue. Well, and it’s interesting too, Andy, I was going to say, and we should show the chart so we can give people at least the idea of what we’re talking about. Because with us it’s kind of interesting. What we have seen so often is that structure determines whether someone can be adaptable because the flow determines the regulation. Flow is very important in this whole experience. So physical blocks we really see very often impeding on the system.

And now toxicity builds up and it’s the idea of the homotoxicology simply. Yes, the homo, the toxath ecology, the study of the toxins affecting the system here. And part of it is it’s, we can look at it as a progression of disease or a progression of a lack of adaptability. All right. If we’re adaptable and even this, you know, toxins can enter my system, Josh’s system, your system, depending on who’s more adaptable, we’re going to have a different effect on the whole experience. All right, Can I do a screen share? Pull up the chart? Well, let me just ask one follow up question first.

So when you’re. And, and I want to expand on this just a little bit more, but you mentioned blockage of flow. So are you talking about the flow of blood, lymph, extracellular fluid, qi, energy, all of the above. All of the above. The digestion? Yes. Circulation, respiration. Yes. If structure is out of alignment, it’s going to affect different systems and they’re all connected. Yeah. And you know, this just to point out. Oh, what was that, Josh? You can throw emotions in with that as well. Well, that, that’s the next place I was going. But I just wanted to point out that like, you know, in the mainstream they even accept these things to some degree.

Like talking about lymphedema, for example. Right. Which is a surgical complication, usually from breast cancer surgery, where they take all of the lymph nodes out of the armpit. And then that flow is of course obstructed. Right. And it leads to problems like swelling, pain, numbness, and, you know, worse down the line. Right. So that’s, that’s a common and well known example of the kind of blockage we’re talking about. So even though we might talk about the flow of energy and qi, it doesn’t rely upon those. So if you’re uncomfortable with thinking about things in eastern, you know, medical terms.

Yeah. You don’t need to, to accept the truth of homotoxicology. And so thanks for segueing there, Josh, into. I wanted to say, because we’ve covered like all these physical blockages from healing, but what about the non physical? Yeah, well, this is something that we talk about a lot about, we teach a lot about. But the emotion, how we process our emotions is a thousand percent behind why we get sick. So the emotion sets up the physical. You know, people are an accident waiting to happen and things like that. But there’s, there’s no such thing as an accident.

So everybody goes through emotional trauma. Some people can deal with it really well and other people hold on to it. And how you hold on to it, if you start to hold onto it, that’s going to start to affect you physically. And now you’re going to start to have physical problems. Just the simple, easiest way to explain it is sympathetic and parasympathetic. You know, we get a trauma, we go into fear mode that, that affects our respiration, our circulation, the body doesn’t, you know, heal in that mode. We need to be able to flow. So it’s very simplistically put that way, but the emotion will set up the sickness.

Now people say, what about children? You know, if you’re in your 30s and 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and you get sick, you know, to some degree this is something, a path you’ve laid for yourself. And you hate to say it, but you’ve earned that. You’ve worked your way towards that sickness. But for children, it was wonderful. We had a really cool rabbi when we were young and he would say that when the child is sick, it’s a lesson for the parents. Right. So, and things like that can start into uterine. But, you know, it’s a, it’s a terrible thing to see, you know, a childhood cancer or something like that, especially when, you know, the child didn’t bring that on himself.

But it’s still emotionally triggered. But it’s more related to what’s going on with the parents than it actually is with the child. So one of the biggest things we harp on is the emotions cause a physical issue. Well, you can’t just work on the emotion now. Right. You have to work on the physical block that’s holding that emotion in. So how we help people work through their emotions is we do some physical work on them, and that helps them to process the emotions. If the emotion, like I said, is causing physical issues, if you just work on the emotion, you’re not going to get the job done.

You have to work on that physical issue as well. But, yeah, we think the emotion, how we process the trauma will dictate whether we go towards health or disease. So, Josh, this is a key thing. Tell me if I’m correct. But it seems like you’re saying that if we have a situation where some kind of emotional distress actually blocks healing and intensifies or contributes to disease, that that signifies that that, you know, negative emotion has been stored in the body, and that. That. That storage of that emotion there is actually the physical obstruction that. And that’s how it’s kind of related.

Is that what you’re saying? Yeah, the emotion. The emotion will cause the physical obstruction. And this is not new. This is really old, old Eastern philosophy. But, yeah, we’ve seen it 1000% of the time. We’ve got some pretty wild stories, but you can really track it back. Okay. Their diagnosis was in 2018, but they had a surgery in 2017, but there was a horrible divorce in 2016. So you can definitely see the progression. And you can, you know, you can figure that out. You know, obviously we look at the blood, but you don’t need that. You can just talk to the person, you go through their history, and there’s usually.

You can see the pattern that set it up in the first place. Yeah, you know, I had. I’ve had many experiences with clients very similar. And one comes to mind where a woman came because she had developed a butterfly rash right on. On the face, which kind of, you know, is red on the cheeks. And in her long story, like, it wasn’t clear that there was a physical cause to this at all, and then found out that her husband had cheated on her and then left her. And. And the image that she had basically just been slapped in the face came to mind.

And as soon as I relayed that to her, it was like instant tears. And, you know, insight developed that that seemed to be the mechanism that brought about that, you know, physical problem. Right. Which is associated with things like lupus. Yeah. Yeah, it’s. It’s interesting Andy. Because, dad, one of his conclusions was that, you know, the emotions, a thousand percent, set us up for what goes on. And when we get into the cancers, he saw this pattern, the lung cancers, there’s grief. Chinese medicine, lungs are grief, the liver cancer, anger. And if these people couldn’t let go of this emotion in some way, shape or form, it would literally eat away at them.

But there’s also the idea that, you know, we’ve had things that irritate us, annoy us, make us sad that we can’t let go of. Why? This is what Josh talks about. Emotional trauma happens. It affects us physically. But once that gets to that point, we have to open the body up physically to release the emotional experience. So you can talk to your therapist for years about it, or one day you get the massage, you start crying on the massage table. All right. I had a woman recently. Awesome. She’s a practitioner, 60s and her late 60s. She’s done everything and been everywhere and helps people and she’s learning and she hears it, she’s excited.

She’s never been to the osteopath. She went to the osteopath. Very gentle. And here came the emotions. She actually remembered something, Andy, that she had never remembered, something. She blacked out of her memory when she was 2 or 3, she remembered getting into an aspirin bottle and eating the whole bottle. And her family took her to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. Very traumatic episode for a two or three year old child. She blacked it out until she had that bodywork and all of a sudden she remembered and the emotions came up. How did she feel at that age? It all came out from simple bodywork.

Yeah. There’s a story behind all of it, and I’ll make this one quick. The injury will hold in the trauma of the emotion that led to it. So to put it simply, when we look at scars, you hear us talk about scar tissue so much, but it’s not the physical scar that’s dictating the problems, the emotion behind why they got the scar in the first place. So dad had a client years ago and you know. Well, you know, it’s probably no, no coincidence that we use the word scar for emotional trauma as well as physical, right? Absolutely.

Dad had this one case that was doing great and they thought they were done. And he was a bit of perfectionist. He knew he was missing something. And it came down to when she was six or seven years old, she stepped on a rusty nail and she had to get a tetanus shot and her Parents held her down on the table while the doctor gave her the shot. So she felt like the doctor was attacking her, and her parents weren’t there to protect her. And all of that emotion was trapped in this little scar. So a dad treated that scar.

Everything shifted and turned around with her. So we’ve seen big scars cause some issues, you know, but we’ve seen some small scars cause major issues sometimes because of the emotion, you know, preceding it. The port scars. For people, you know, there’s so much emotion behind that port scar when they’re going for the chemotherapies and radiation, that it’s a small, tiny scar there, but there’s a heavy emotional component to it that you really have to work on those things. Josh. I think it’s really interesting that all three examples you just mentioned were all caused by unnecessary medical procedures.

And the first one resonates with my childhood, because I remember I was really scared of, you know, eating or drinking something poisonous when I was a kid, because I heard about getting your stomach pump, and, you know, you could just drink some charcoal water and have the same benefit. There’s no reason to put a big, you know, tube or a hose down, you know, the back of your throat into your stomach like they do. And obviously, there’s. There’s no justification for the tetanus shot or chemotherapy either. So all. All those examples, it’s. It’s very unfortunate, but, you know, homotoxicology provides an alternative without sodomy and torture.

That’s a great thing. And then they. Well, then they pull that tube out too quick, and you get that little rug burn inside. And then there’s other issues that come out. Oh, they dislocate the jaw a lot. You know, there’s a quote in Dad’s book from a surgeon who said, if the surgery doesn’t kill you, the doctor can always try harder. Listen, I worked with someone who was a surgeon who switched specialties, and he told me about when they had patients who would try to pull the tube out like they didn’t want it there, that he would tie a string around the tube and around the nasal septum so that when they pulled it, it pulled on their nasal septum.

I mean, talk about a torture device. Well, no trauma. No trauma there, right? No, that’s what dad said. Most of his career was spent fixing what other doctors had done to the client. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and this is what Josh and Dad said. You know, the toxin is typically the doctor. The body is designed to get rid of toxicity. But if there’s blocks, which. How many times we see this blocks because of surgeries, interventions, skills, scars, adhesions. Those are real blocks, physical blocks. And we had a woman, was a trauma nurse and she said, she took our course.

She said, I was in surgery and I see the person’s arm open and I see the scar tissue and I say to the doctor, to the surgeon, I said, isn’t that tissue a problem? And he says, no, she can see it’s moving things out of the way, it’s impeding flow. This is simple mechanics, Andy. Yeah, well, look, I worked with someone who was trying to do enemas and, you know, couldn’t get any fluid in. And I was like, you know, what’s going on here? And then I found out that, you know, she neglected to tell me about the seven abdominal surgeries that she had over the years.

And so basically her insides were all stuck together. And, you know, so it, it was quite an effort to try to overcome that. And I’m not even sure, you know, if she was successful in the end, but, you know, this is what we’re taught. I mean, we didn’t, we didn’t organize this discussion to criticize allopathic medicine, but really we just can’t escape it because it, it does so much harm. So, Adam, why don’t we take this opportunity to bring up the chart that you’ve been dying to put on screen and let’s start showing like where these kind of blockages in your body’s self healing mechanisms can actually you.

And it’s really, it is neat. You know, guys, when we see this chart, this is a fun thing. Andy, we do this in our courses. You know, give me a random weird diagnosis that you’ve never heard of or that’s bizarre, and we’ll find a keyword in there somewhere that will show you exactly where that is on this chart. It’s really, it is our roadmap. Are you, are you asking me to give you a rare disease to. We can put it, we can play that game afterwards, because I’ll take that challenge. It’s fun. It’s really interesting though.

It’s, you know, there’s something there. Yeah. As people look at the chart, we don’t pay a ton of attention to the diagnosis and labels on there. Obviously some would be a real label and some are, you know, kind of bullshit labels when you start to see things like autoimmune on there. So we’re not paying as much attention to the actual label on there as opposed to the system that it’s affecting. Well, that’s good because these labels are arbitrary. Yeah, totally. Anyway, down the rabbit hole sometimes. And we don’t want people. Right, that’s right. But it can, as we’ll see.

Right. It can lead us to some useful information if we use this chart to interpret it rather than looking at Harrison’s textbook of medicine. Yes. It’s. The organ systems are what’s important. And the six phases. This is what I love about this. And you guys can see the chart? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Just because I can’t see you guys now. So it’s nice because it’s not rocket science here. There’s six phases to this chart, and this makes it very easy for us to understand the cancers. But this is. Dad was his thing. He wanted to cure cancer when he was an 8 year old.

And looking at this chart, it makes perfect sense to us, the cancers. And for us, it’s a very real diagnosis as opposed to some of these other autoimmune diagnoses. So when we look at the chart here. Organ system’s left side here. Then our six phases. All right. And we’ll look at skin initially, because it’s very simple. And the organ systems go from external to deeper and deeper. So the way this chart is set up is kind of interesting. Excretion is number one. So toxin enters the human. So just Adam, to be clear, so going from top to down goes deeper into the body.

Yes. In terms of different organ systems. You got it. And you know, from the. Like, the skin being the most superficial part. Right. To the systems that go throughout our body being the deepest. It looks like. Yeah. And then from left to right is the progression of disease from the beginning stages in the left to the most advanced stages on the right. You got it. Yeah. It’ll go from acute to chronic. And then we just ignore that system that says immune system. Because we don’t believe in an immune system. Right. Well, we could just. We could say, you know, the lymphatic.

Well, actually, it has the lymphatic system separately. Yeah. But we could say the white blood cells. Yeah. We always called it a regulatory system. Regulatory. Okay. That’s good. Yeah. And it’s the bigger picture. So as people are watching and listening, it’s not about getting sucked into the details of what’s going on here. When this was. When this came out, there was more of an allopathic experience happening in general. So we could. We could probably redo this coming from the more truthful orientation. Yeah. And this is something, Andy, that I’ll Work on. I love doing these kinds of things.

You know, we’re taking certain things we’ve seen for decades and just putting that different spin on it, you know? And this is not the progression of disease. This is a progression of adaptability or not here. So we’ll talk about that as we get through it. So, yes, goes from top left to bottom right. If we’ve got skin is the first system we’ll talk about, because it’s simple excretion. So toxicity enters the system, and the excretion phase is normal. The body wants to get things out. This is our sweating. All right? This is our crying, our coughing.

This is your diarrhea, the vomiting, sweating, coughing, diarrhea, sneezing, vomiting, the fun things in life. Okay, so this is normal, right? When this is happening, you do nothing. You just support the body and take some time off and let these things happen. Now, sweating is gross. So we put on antiperspirant. And I remember this as a kid learning the difference between deodorant and antiperspirant. All right, Antiperspirant. No one likes to sweat. So now we stop sweating because we’re using antiperspirant. But the toxicity has to come out somehow. Stage two is very important. All right, this is the hot topic of inflammation.

Adam, first, let me ask about. So the. The top few categories that you mentioned, right? It’s pretty clear how stuff is getting outside of the body, right, because tears of liquids coming out. Right. Diarrhea, sweating, stuff is coming out of the body. But when you get. Go down further, when you get to, you know, reticulocytosis, which is. Basically means more red cell production. Lymphedema. Right. Which is swelling of the lymph nodes and lymph vess down or upstream of it. Right. Those. It’s not very clear that your body is getting rid of something. So what. What’s going on there? Exactly? It’s still the same idea.

You know, if you’re thinking about swelling in the lymph system, it’s. It’s doing something to help facilitate the flow. All right. The lymphatic system is a. Is a drainage system of sorts. So that’s what’s going on there, too. Well, I also. And it’s interesting. Sorry. Go for it. Go ahead, Josh. Yeah, I think it’s important. And as he explains the chart more. It becomes more. More obvious. The system that’s affected is the system where you’re weakest. So if you’re going to a deeper system in that first stage, right off the bat, you know, from my point of view, that’d be.

That’d be a really long standing thing that you haven’t dealt with. Right. This is. This is a deep internal problem that’s going on right now. So wherever the system is being located in the body, you know, wherever it is, it tells you a lot about how the person is dealing with their emotions. The skin is more superficial. You’re getting down into the blood, the lymph system, that’s certainly more internalized. So it’ll tell you a lot about the client that’s right in front of you as far as where it’s affecting the system. You know, it’s interesting because most of the people you’ll see initially in those first few phases are those top few systems.

You know, for somebody to start off in the limp system, you know, it might be a more difficult case than you realize because, you know, if that system is weak, they’ve been internalizing things for quite some time. Right. And it’s. And it’s. I appreciate the question, Andy. You know, part of what we do, me in particular is I’m the elementary school teacher, so I jump in on the shallow end to give people the concept. And then we can get even deeper with it because there is a lot of. On this chart. Well, we’ll realize, you know, since dad passed, the only person we’ve ever mentioned homo toxicology to that heard of it was Dr.

Arce and then Dr. Zimmerman also. And obviously we’ve talked to many, many, many people and many doctors, and it’s. It’s not a thing we get to discuss and have rational conversations with because people don’t actually understand it and never heard of it. So, yeah, for us, we like to keep the simple basics down. And then if you want, we can go down some. Through some rabbit holes later if you want. And Barlando knows about it too, of course. We can have conversations. I didn’t have to ask him. I didn’t even have to ask him. Right, yeah.

So, yes. So if we go back to the shallow end for the moment, skin, so sweating grows, Right. So then we do the antiperspirant, and now things can’t get out normally. So next stage, we have the inflammation. Inflammation is important because we hear this as the hot topic. It’s the problem. No, inflammation is how we heal. However, when the inflammation becomes trapped, then we have an issue. So you get acne, all right, Things get inflamed. Excretion, we can see sweating. We see acne. We see acne is gross. Once again. So we put on acne cream. This is your typical experience.

Now we push things deeper. All right. Now this third system, and inflammation is bacterial in nature, so our little microzymar and we get the bacteria to come in to facilitate elimination inflammation. It’s not right here. But a fever is inflammation, and a fever facilitates sweating. So inflammation is really supporting the elimination process. That’s such an important point there. You know, we’re having trouble eliminating inflammation is stimulating the elimination process. It’s coming in there to help us eliminate sometimes through a fever, like Adam said there. And then once again, inflammation is how we heal. Anti inflammatory actually just means anti healing.

So these are. These are one of the harder concepts we’ve tried to get across, you know, in the past. But inflammation, it’s a huge part of how we heal. And it’s stimulating the elimination process, right? Yes, Right. And this, this makes total sense, like, because obviously acne, right. There is a collection of material inside the, the, the lesions. Right. And that come out. Right. A lot of people are tempted to squeeze it out. Right. And that’s because the sweating is blocked. So it’s still in the skin and it’s getting it out that way. Right. And similar with the cough, right.

If the coughing is suppressed, well, then you get the inflammation. And what do you get when you have bronchitis is more coughing. Right? Yeah. So the body’s trying to go to the left towards health. Yes, absolutely. Exactly. Always. Yes, that’s the idea. Always. This is what our bodies, Andy, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Our body’s job is for us to survive. Well, and we’ll add to that when we get to stage six. Because it’s not always, you know, it’s what the job is, though, to survive. There is a point where it realizes it’s time to recycle.

Right. Well, there maybe I look at this as that there is the higher job of survival of the entire ecology. Right. Because once our particular. You know, because you know that the death rate is one per person. Right. So once it’s our time now, our body can decompose and then the material can support other life. Yes, yes, exactly. I mean, not if we embalm ourselves or cremate ourselves, but otherwise it could. Yeah, definitely, definitely. And we’ll talk about that a little bit too with dad and his plywood coffin. That was interesting. But let’s continue here. So inflammation is very important.

It is how we heal. So, yes. So many times. Anti inflammatories. Josh and I are just going to roll Our eyes at, you know, my local friend. And he’s excited with his new magic wand that’s reducing his inflammation. And all I can think is, I don’t think you’re supposed to be screwing with the inflammation. Your body’s trying to heal here. Right. So he’s been going through the inflammation for two years. He’s trapped it. Now some Adam, like, just that reminds me of some natural substances that people may find some benefit from, like cumin, for example, or curcumin from.

I forget the spice that it’s from. But is, and that said, right, to be an anti inflammatory. But is it just, is it just said to be that because it seems to help healing or is it a natural pharmaceutical? You’ve heard me harp on, Adam’s heard me harp on this many, many times times. Plant medicine cannot be anti. Plant medicine is going to be pro. So it’s not anti inflammatory, it’s pro inflammation. It’s supporting the inflammation process. Pro regulatory. Yes. So it’s, it’s not anti, it can never be antibacterial. It’s probacteria. Right. It’s pro parasitic. All right.

It’s helping support the process is what plant medicine is. And of course, we see it all too much these days with the alternative community. They don’t actually understand how that plant medicine is actually working. And then you delve deeper into it. That’s definitely true. Yeah. Deeper into it. And it’s been proven that words are power. And I, I totally believe that if you call that plant antibacterial, that it weakens the energy of that plant before you even put it to the person’s body. Yeah. What about the antifungal mushrooms, Josh? Oh, yeah. One guy, one guy loved using mushrooms.

That’s hilarious. Loved mushrooms. They must have an auto immune disease. What? You just said you love mushrooms because they’re antifungal. It’s like, God, just when you think you’ve heard the dumbest thing ever, somebody comes. But yes, plant medicine is going to be pro microbiology. It’s never going to be anti. You know, nature evolves through symbiosis. It does not evolve through antagonism. Right? So, all right, now inflammation is a great thing. Once again, when the inflammation becomes trapped because of blocks, surgeries and scars, or the, the system’s out of alignment or emotional blocks, then we become inflamed.

That’s when we have our issues. This third stage is deposition. So if things cannot get out, things are going to deposit in your body wherever you are. Weakest so at this point, if we’re just going with sweating and acne, okay, we’ve suppressed it, we’ve got a lot of grief in our life, then maybe things are going to get towards the lungs. If we’ve got scar tissue from surgeries, maybe things are going to accumulate in that area and deposit. There’s. But this is deposition. This is nevi. This word here, these are like the little brown spots that we get.

So the body’s isolating toxicity. Now there’s this biological division, and the first two stages are obvious. We see excretion, we see inflammation. We take a pharmaceutical, we suppress. We suppress. Then the deposition, we don’t always notice. Things are getting deeper. All right? And this is the brilliance of the body, Andy. Gout. All right? Gout is the body taking toxicity and isolating it as far away from vital organs as possible in the toe. All right? So when we see gout on the history form, that gives us a real clue. There is stagnation in the system, and they are in this deposition phase.

So they’re next to this biological division where things get tougher to deal with. All right? Now, right in that same box as gout, we also see obesity. Yeah, right. And this is something that I recently talked about in a master class, and I didn’t use the homotoxicology chart, but that’s pretty much exactly what I said. So why don’t tell us about that, Josh? Obesity and armoring and things like that. What do you think? What do you got to say? Kind of a. Adam, no, come on. That was not my intention. All as well. Yes, yes, obviously.

What? United States. We are the fattest country in the world, and there’s an emotional component, number one. Huh? Sorry? Number one, there’s an emotion behind the weight itself. Now, you can blame it on diet and things like that, and there’s definitely. Your diet can accelerate that weight gain. Now, if people have seen me in person, I’m a little extra fluffy these days, okay? And I have. I have a wonderful diet. You know, I have a wonderful diet. I eat really healthy. It’s emotional weight. And we’ve talked about this a lot. So that’s Wilhelm Reich and stress and armoring, where we get stressed and we tense up and it affects everything.

And certain people, it affects their weight. So this is my armoring. I’ve got my extra little few pounds right here. This is my emotional armoring. So to make this really quick, and then we’ll move on. Clinic got shut down. 2014. I had my pet die. I was the worst time of my life. I curled up on the fetal ball, put a bunch of weight on, and it had nothing to do with my diet. So Adam drags me out of my cave. We go up to Portland for. To visit his friend for a few weeks. Portland is food truck heaven, right? Food truck heaven.

We go for two weeks. We eat. We eat food I would eat once or twice a year, literally, right? We’re eating donuts. We went to the homemade donut place daily, right? They would make it. Listen, I. I used to go to that huge food truck city block every time I had a conference in Portland. So, I mean, every day I was there, that’s where I would. My fantastic food. I wouldn’t normally eat on a daily basis or even a monthly basis sometimes, but two weeks, Adam and I ate almost the same food. Adam was worried about getting fat, and I was enjoying myself.

And after those two weeks, Adam had gained seven pounds and I gained one pound because it was joyful. Did you guys have a wager on that? No, no, no. Next up, next time. I am a black hole. Usually I eat everything and nothing changes my weight. You know, that was. That was emotional for sure. Even Sally Fallon, you know, they’ll talk about at Weston Price, you know, when you’re. When you’re unhealthy in a lot of ways, you crave the crappy food. So we want to blame it on McDonald’s, but there’s an emotion behind why we’re eating McDonald’s in the first place, and that’s kind of what we have to tap into.

So I can tell when I’m processing my emotions, the weight comes off. And when I’m not dealing with my emotions, the weight will stay on there, Right? So we’ve got kind of two things going on there. We have. One is that we’re going to have toxins being stored in the belly fat, right. And then we can have that, you know, of course, from overexposure to those types of toxins, but then that is going to also be greatly affected by. Is there a blockage which, you know, for many of us. Right. Can be an emotional or psychological blockage.

So that. That’s a key thing. And of course, no fad diet addresses that whatsoever. No, not at all. In any way, shape or form. And they don’t. In fact, they don’t really reflect the storage of toxicity either. No, no, not at all. And if you look at any. Most women who’ve had a hysterectomy, there’s 10 or 15 pounds. They can’t get off. So we want to talk about a physical block. You know, you have a. You’ve got a bikini scar there. You know, energy section. Energy is. Is not connecting through that area. So that’s a physical block that’s keeping the stocks in stored, and that’s why they’re deposited in that area.

So you work on that scar tissue, and all of a sudden the energy connects. Now you can start to release those toxins, but it will also see emotion. The first time that I ever tried any kind of detox procedures, when I was learning from Jennifer Daniels years ago, just from increasing my bowel output with, you know, herbs or vitality capsules without changing my diet whatsoever. Like the belly fat just melted off. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It’s simple, you know, and the other thing is this, too, Andy. One of the biggest things we want to do with people is release strain patterns, inner, you know, adhesions and scars, and open up pathways of elimination.

We will never introduce things into the system until pathways are open and right there. So many times we don’t have to introduce things into people’s system. Everyone’s doing detoxes and cleanses and putting stuff in to push things out. The hose is crimped, there’s pressure on it. We take pressure off it, and things come out. So, Adam, how, before someone has experience trying to heal, how do you determine what blockages there are? Is this something that you get at primarily through the blood, or is it through just asking questions and hearing the story? It’s actually, we’ve done this so long, dad, with watching patterns.

It’s all about the patterns. We can see this stuff on the history form. The blood reinforces. Yeah. And we do it through the blood. And it’s one of those things where you don’t need the blood at all to do it. You can talk to the patient for a few minutes and generally figure it out. That’s. I’ve got my history form training class coming up where I train people how to go through a history form and learn what it’s actually telling you. And it’s not a history form that has a thousand different symptoms on it that you have to check off.

You know, it’s asking very. Thank God, you know, specific questions. Emotional traumas, birth traumas, dental traumas, things, things like that. So, no, a lot of it’s just, you know, dad always said that MD should stand for medical detective, and that’s what he was brilliant at, that’s what he taught us. And, yeah, literally within a few minutes, you can just Talk to the person and fix a lot of ways. Well, that’s exactly what my training really prepared me to do with all my forensic work. Yep. Yes. Right. It’s pretty much being a detective. Observation. Observation. So key.

Well, and it’s interesting, Andy and Josh, too, with Andy’s background. Andy, I mean, we’re thrilled that this is resonating with you because you’re geared for this. You know, when we. We got to do this with you, we’ll send you a history form, take one of your clients where there’s a little bit of an unknown, and we’ll show you how we look at this, and you’ll see very clearly where things stand. It ain’t rocket science. You know, we used to joke about it in the presentations. Dad would say, this work is so easy, even Josh can do it.

Not because Josh is dumb. Josh didn’t go to college. You know, he didn’t go to school for these things, and he didn’t have to unlearn all the other things that people get taught. Yeah. Right. So it’s really the detective work, I think, for you. You seeing our history form, Andy is gonna. There’s gonna be a light bulb, and you’re gonna start to make some extra connections that are gonna make things easier for you. It’s some of the simple options. I would love to do that exercise. I really would. Good. It’s really. Yeah. We’ll do this with you.

And we love this. You know, there is nothing that I can remember that has come across our plate that was ever a mystery to us that didn’t make sense. Every time we look at someone’s blood and we see these images, they match up with what’s going on in their history, and it’s all connected. And it’s so easy that everyone can understand this, unless they’re not ready for it, and they just want us to fix them. Well, that. That is on par with my experience, because especially many times, if the blockage, in my view, is psychological, there’s a big resistance because, you know, it may be challenging and take some willpower to, you know, go through a protocol to eat a simple diet, you know, to take a break from.

From work and things and to sit with your uncomfortable thoughts. Right. You can do that for a period of time. But if you want to, like, really confront the rejection from your mother or, you know, when you were witnessed somebody die or get mugged or. Or even if it’s a more subtle trauma. Yeah. There’s just such a big resistance and a desire to just, you Know, oh, what can I do to just make it go away? Yeah, yeah. Respect for, for people. I mean, the history forms that come across our past, some of the traumas people have been through is horrifying.

And to see a lot of them are still plugging along and they’re still. They want to take accountability for their health, you know, and when they have all these reasons for really wanting to check out or being able to check out with all the traumas they’ve been through. So the human per. The human is so much more resilient than we’re giving credit for. And for us, a lot of it comes down to accountability. Do you want to get better? Right. And we see sometimes they just don’t and there’s nothing you can really do. It’s interesting. Those clients don’t usually come to see us.

Right. You know, so they’re gonna go try to find a practitioner who’s going to feed into their label. Yeah, of course, of course. So when you like, with the example of a physical scar though, how, how are you able to work with that to. To unblock it? It’s a good question. We always used to use neural therapy. So, you know, dad had a couple German teachers and neural therapy is, you know, he was using a procaine just as an anesthetic, basically. So he would use a tiny bit of procaine combined with isopathic remedies and cell therapy.

So he would try to regenerate. So isopathic remedies, those are basically pleomorphic related preparations. Yes, yes. Based on bacterials and fungals, basically. So significantly stronger than homeopathics are, but they are, they are still all natural. So he would do injections into the scar, but he would do it very differently. And I don’t want to get too much into this, but there’s a lot of settle down. I’ve gotten exposed to how other people are doing neural therapy to the point where we don’t recommend neural therapy being done anymore because of what’s been done with it. So a needle goes into the body.

The body immediately goes, what the hell are you doing to me? It goes right in sympathetic mode. This is invasive. So dad figured this out luckily, early on, and he always had an osteopath with him at the time. So he would do the injections. The osteopath would then work on the person and bring them back into parasympathetic mode and basically relax the body so it could heal. And we’re seeing a lot of people. It’s just, it’s Just needle trauma out there. And every time I bring this up, there’s a certain doctor who calls and yells at Adam, why would you even bring it up again? Go, Josh.

Well, anyways, my turn. I think there’s much simpler ways to go about it. You know, we’ve played around with tuning forks, essential oils, homeopathics. The best ones, I think, are people who are doing visceral manipulation, osteopaths who gently work on the scar tissue. It’s not about going and breaking it up. We see too many people being forceful, breaking up scars, and all that’s doing is causing more issues down the line. So it can be done with the right person’s hands, and that’s what we prefer. And then, yeah, then you can add things like essential oils and things like that into it.

So there’s simpler ways to go about it than what we did. But when dad did it, he had total control of the case, and he understood what was going on as far as the needle injecting into the body. Yes, I see. So do what now, you mentioned essential oils, in which I kind of conceptualize in a category that I call healing solvents. And that would, you know, also include things like castor oil and turpentine. How effective do you think those could be? Like, if, say, gently massaged to the scar area, if it’s accessible near. Near the skin? That’s one of the.

One of the big things that we used to recommend when we could legally recommend something was castor oil. You know, even using old ayurvedic techniques, where you oil up before you get in the shower and the heat opens up your pores and draws the oils into your body. So I’m a big proponent of castor oil. The biggest thing, though, with working on scars is you have to know what scar the body is ready to work on. Right. If you’re. You know, we had out. You know, we’d look at people’s blood when we were working up north, and it was all about this one simple little.

Let’s say the belly button needed work is what the blood was saying. And the doctor would come out and say, oh, I did the gallbladder scar also, because it was there. Now there’s an exorcism on the table. Right. So now the person’s having a healing crisis. Right. And the healing crisis is a thousand percent the practitioner’s fault. Pushing the wrong buttons. It’s. It’s not a good thing. So knowing which scar to work on is your. Has to be your first step. It has to be your first step. Because if you work on the wrong scar initially, then the body’s not ready for it and you can cause more issues than it’s actually helping.

It’s part of the reason we like the person to start off not working on the scars on their own. Get to your osteopath or your visceral manipulation person, and they can start to open things up a little bit for you, but they can also feel the traction line and help you figure out which scar needs to be worked on first. If we start to just go willy nilly and work on it ourselves, you can certainly start to bring up some stuff that you’re not ready for. Yeah, definitely. And if we think about even just Josh mentioned, you know, female surgeries, the C sections, you know, Andy, you know, with scar tissue, how many different layers of things is the doctor cutting through to get to where he wants to pull something out? It’s a physical dam.

So if nothing else, even just when dad would do the injections and the little. The little, you know, subcutaneous needles, just a little teeny injection into the tissue. Even if you just injected the tissue with the procaine, you’re perforating the scar tissue. And the tissue is tight, it’s tense, it’s not dead, but there’s no energy getting through it. There’s no circulation. It’s constricting, it’s contracting, it’s pulling. All right, even our belly button scar, we talk about this a lot. From birth, you get the belly button tied close nice and tight, and then you grow up and it pulls over time.

Something we talk about with our history forms with the mononucleosis connection. But if we can just even get into that scar and with a little bit of a little injection and then oxygen can get in and it can start to open the tissue up. And what’s great about these things, Andy? Adhesions, scar tissue, when we start to open them up, they don’t regroup. All right, Osteopaths, the cranial sacral practitioners, the cupping with the Chinese medicine on adhesions and the minimally invasive surgeries are some of the worst because of the amount of adhesions they create there. All right, well, I was just thinking about my appendicitis and.

Which I had before I knew about natural healing, unfortunately. But two things occur. Like, one is because of the proximity of the belly button to the appendix. I wonder if the damage to the umbilicus could actually be, you know, causal of appendicitis. And then secondly, the minimally invasive, you know, endoscopic appendectomy. The primary incision is right in the middle of the belly button. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We’ve seen this a lot. You know, we’ve done so many things. And this is on the form. If we. If you had mononucleosis. For people listening, if you had mononucleosis as a teenager, we know that your belly button was tied too tight.

And you have never gotten a full breath. And you won’t, no matter what you do, because there’s a physical restriction here, right? The umbilical ligaments attached to the roof of the diaphragm. You’re this big, and they cut that belly button close, and you grow up. And this ligament pulls and pulls. And as you’re a teenager, years later, this is the patterns dad saw observing people over long periods of time. Diaphragm pulls down depending on which way you were. Intrauterine, very typical. It pulls down on the liver. The liver backs up. And now you have your mononucleosis for you.

Andy, did you have mono when you were younger? No. Okay, so then intrauterine, your pattern was a little different. So things were pulling down. Did it do something in a way that pulled towards appendix? What is the itises, Josh? Aren’t those all the inflammation ones? Yeah. So appendicitis is inflammation. So you had trapped inflammation in that area. All right. Could that have been related to the belly button? Without question. We have seen so many things related to that ligament being tight. And we open up that ligament, people get a deeper breath. All right. Oxygen’s very important to our system.

Digestion flow is better. The bowel movements flow better. The cerebral spinal fluid. Sometimes people get an IQ point or two and maybe even half an inch in height. It seems like this should be something that everyone should do. This is common issues I see on the history form is their birth trauma. And. Yeah, and we should clarify mononucleosis. Most people get it in their teenage years, and usually when they get in their teenage years, you can directly track it right back to the actual birth trauma. Every once in a while, somebody gets it later on in life.

And then maybe there was a certain scar that’s affecting the umbilical ligament or affecting the actual, you know, compression on the liver itself. But in general, in your teen years, you’re starting to grow. That ligament keeps restricting, puts pressure. Liver, the liver backs up. And there’s our mononucleosis. But, yeah, it’s one of those things that we love. Midwives, you know, how you come into this world Dictates so much. You know, it’s the mother’s contractions that pump the baby’s diaphragm when it comes out. So kids born by C section generally have breathing problems, so you have to retrain the way they actually breathe.

But that umbilical ligament, if people just understood, if any doctor delivered a baby, looked at the anatomy and where that ligament goes, they would go, oh, maybe I shouldn’t butcher that umbilical cord so much. It has a huge. Yeah, well, there. There are so many, you know, things they do in hospital, childbirth aside. Even from C sections. Yep. That are going to contribute to all this. You know, labor induction, the posture of the mother during delivery, them clamping and cutting the cord way too early and too short. You know, taking the baby, the newborn away from the mother immediately to be poked and prodded by strangers.

You know, there’s. There’s many things that can be totally different at home. Yeah. Yeah. There’s a wonderful. Or even. Even at a birthing center with a midwife. Is. Is going to be way better than that. We’d love to start a fund, Andy, and to be able to gift people midwives when the birthing experience is happening. The future will be different with the children coming through that birth process. It’s something we’ve seen a lot, but we’ve also seen the body is so amazing that we can do certain things and these things can resolve without question. That’s what dad did.

He looked at blocks. He removed blocks. And we saw symptoms change, go away, you know, but we need. Our body needs to flow. Less restriction the better. That’s our bottom line. Right. Disease, disease, or disease cannot exist where there is no stagnation. That’s Andrew Taylor, still the father of osteopathy. If it flows, all is well. And you’ll see this, too, as we get towards that sixth phase, the cancer. That’s stagnation and toxicity all the way around. You know, for people watching and listening, the progression here. Excretion is normal. Right. Let it happen. Not fun. The vomiting is in, the diarrheas, but it’s a great thing.

The acne, the inflammation. Not fun. Oh, wait, let it be. Next one, the deposition. There’s blocks now. All right. Things are going deeper now. We’re going to have to do something at some point to remove a block to support the system. And this is that biological division. This is to the right, where things get harder to deal with. Now we’re getting into our real chronic issues. Things impregnate into the tissue and like Josh said, you think about this. Where are you weakest? This is where things are going to manifest. And impregnation into the tissue means getting into the whole experience here.

This is when things get tougher. How do we release things that are impregnated? Still got to open the body up at this point. We may need to facilitate. We may get some isopathics or other things involved to support the flow. All right? But things impregnate. We don’t notice it depending on. But now we get into the cellular phases, things start to degenerate, and things break down. Dedifferentiation. What we tell people is this. Remember the old days when we used to watch these filmstrips of sperm and egg and cells dividing, right? And then there’s kidney cells, liver cells.

That’s differentiation, opposite end of the phase. And dad said, this is all the cancers. De differentiation is normal. It should happen when you’re in the ground, right? But it’s happening while people are alive. So the toxicity, the stagnation in the system, the system doesn’t know what to do to survive. So it starts to recycle. Even that. When dad worked with the cancers, he wasn’t fighting. You know, he realized the body is doing something intelligent. So he found out how to support the body while you intervene. Because at this point, the system needs support. You know, you can’t just pray the cancer away.

You got to do it with the right mental attitude. If you. If people came to dad and they didn’t believe they could get better, there was nothing he could do for them. All right? And this is. The mind is very important. Physical blocks are one thing, but I had a friend, Andy, her mom got cancer in the brain, some sort of cancer where it affected her thought process. And the doctor said to her it was November. He said, you’ll be dead by December. Well, the family didn’t change the calendar, and the woman thought it was November for over a year.

All right? But this is it for us, the de differentiation. You know, the body, they’ve studied Egyptian sarcophagi, and the body’s decomposed through mold. There’s three types of mold. One is cancerous, one is arthritic, and one is cardiovascular. And it’s arthritis is the normal. This is the body getting old. All right? And between the cardiovascular and the cancer, they’re opposite ends of the spectrum, but the cancer one makes perfect sense for us. People are molding while they’re alive. And if you’ve ever known a cancer patient, there’s something Going on there. There’s a stagnation. There’s an intensity, you know, you don’t get attacked by cancer randomly.

It does. This is something doesn’t happen overnight. And dad would say that you’re always trying to support the body. And the only time he was against the body’s best wishes. Best wishes was in that sixth phase. The body is working on decomposing and recycling, and that’s what it’s doing, and you have to stop that process. And he said it’s the only time he ever worked against the body’s best wishes. Yeah. And it’s like I said, we can see this. What did dad do with cancer patients? He went after. He saw scars, he saw dental issues. He saw stagnation.

We did things to release stagnation and open up pathways of elimination and then support things with the flow of the toxicity at the same time. Yeah. If you’ve got something growing out of the neck that’s impeding air passages and things like this, sometimes you got to get this thing cut out. So dad would always say, he’s not eastern or western. He’s integrative. You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. So the cancers, it makes a lot of sense to us. And there’s emotional components to it. Blockage is there in combination with other blockages as well.

You got to kind of earn the cancers. All right. Wouldn’t you say that, Josh? Yeah. Unless you’re a child. Right. And that was that question. We’re not extremely religious, but I asked rabbis for child cancer. I mentioned that earlier. Yeah, right. Yeah. He said a lesson for the parents. So food for thought. And like I said, too, Andy, looking at this, to me, when I look at kidney stones and bladder stones, this is the brilliance of the body. Isolating things, depositing things into a spot where you’re weakest. The gout is brilliant, right? Yeah. We can release restrictions, and this is all we ever did.

We saw physical blocks, energetic, emotional blocks in the blood on the history form. We did things to support those blocks. Removing, releasing, and flow restored. And then we watched things like cancers start to change and something important, too. If you’re in the cancer stage and we work with you, there’s a point in time where inflammation is going to come up again. All right? Excretion, you’re kind of going backwards through the chart. So sometimes things happen with treatments and people freak out. Now there’s inflammation. Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. I’ve so experienced this. The old symptoms pop back up again, and that’s the symptom, that’s the body.

It’s coming out, the sickness is coming out. So you definitely got to school the person that some of your old symptoms are probably going to come up through this healing process. And that’s part of the process. You can’t get from step one to six without going through steps two, three, four and five. And you can’t reverse it either by going from steps one. I always hated that with dad, you know, I don’t. My stomach doesn’t feel well and he’d treat me and now my head hurts. And he’d say, that’s good. What good? It’s the change. And I’ll tell you, Andy, the biggest concern with us is when these treatments happen and there’s no change.

Change, yeah, that’s our biggest concern. So change. The woman the other day, I talked to her and after the osteopath, there was some vomit that happened and then there was the diarrhea and wow. And it was so much toxicity that came out of her. And she realized, wow, that was a great thing. It wasn’t fun. But the system was opened and here it came. So you get to be ready for these things. And the chart is. There’s something at the bottom that says the six phase table is a field matrix reflecting medical experience based on careful observation and empirical learning.

It’s a phase by phase arrangement of disorders with no direct relationship between them. No causal pathogenic link between disorders can be inferred. Structure of this table makes it suitable for developing a prediction system, giving a better assessment of the possibilities for a vicariation effect. And what is vicariation? Isn’t this like a. A seemingly unrelated effect? Is that vicariation? Am I right? No, I think the vicariation is the term that refers to the body’s adaptation to the. The toxin at the various stages. Okay, cool. And so. So that. That what you just read is really significant. Right? Because what.

What it’s saying here is that this chart doesn’t tell you what the specific toxin is. Right. Takes apart that a specific toxin would cause a, you know, you to be on a specific row. Right. Because that is determined by multiple factors. I mean that. Not that there are toxins that are somewhat specific to different organ systems or have a proclivity like many heavy metals, for example, affect the gastrointestinal system and the nervous system and. And some of them the musculoskeletal system. Right. But it doesn’t mean they also don’t. And sometimes affect the liver or the kidneys or the lymphatics.

And so we can’t tell the specific toxin from looking at this chart, but what we could tell is where they are in the progression and how blocked they are, basically. Right. And for us, you know, we hear these things like, there’s. You’ve got this fungal issue. Okay, so we’re gonna go after that. The fungus is there for a reason. And I didn’t say this before. Inflammation is bacterial in nature, and deposition, everything else is fungal in nature. All right, so we’re starting to mold in some way shape. You’re going from acute to chronic, basically from new to old.

Right. Which does align with the pleomorphism and the isopathics, because we have fungal remedies, and we have bacterial remedies. And it is interesting, too, you know, people are hearing more and more about isopathics, which is great. Homotoxicology first. Okay. Isopathic’s awesome. Out of the hundred something consultations Josh and I did last year, I only referred a handful to, you know, to Dr. Mari for some isopathic input. If we can open up pathways of elimination and release restrictions, a lot of change happens just with that. So, Adam, I want to just bring home the point that. That you made with respect to gout, because now that we’ve seen, like, the whole progression, right, where you kind of end up decomposing while still alive with cancer at the end, earlier on, right.

Long before it gets there, gout occurs. Right. Or something else. But gout is a good example because it doesn’t come in with a whisper. It. It screams at you, right. That your toe hurts like hell. And. And, you know, as you said, it’s as far away from the vital organs as possible. Right? So this shout of information, that’s your opportunity to go back to full health and completely prevent cancer. So it’s not about. You don’t need dangerous tests like colonoscopies to tell you that you’re headed towards cancer. Right? Right. You just need to pay attention to the information that your body is spontaneously providing you.

And that’s how you know where you are. And also, it gives you the exact roadmap to monitor if you are able to reverse that, because you know that you will go to the prior column to the left. You got it? You got it. It’s. It’s. And this is simple. There’s mechanics. Is one thing. The reality of thinking about this. The candidas of the world, right? And everyone’s afraid of the candidas and the parasites. The candidas are there going after your heavy metals. There’s stagnation then there’s accumulation, right? Then the system comes in to adapt. And then what do people do? Well, a lot of people are going to get rid of your damn candida.

And we had one person, she had extreme chronic fatigue. And the first one, first practitioner. Yeah. Went after the candida. So the second one went after the fungus, did the mold protocol. The third one did bioidentical hormones. But the woman had 10amalgams. She had toxicity in the system, okay? Heavy metal toxicity. This is mercury on the damn periodic table. It’s a heavy metal. And the candida eats what, Josh. Yes. Heavy metals. So let’s get rid of your candida and your parasite, two of the main processors of heavy metals. So let’s leave them. So let’s say. So let’s say we’re talking about, like a toenail fungus, Right? Is that what’s going on there? Yeah, toenail fungus.

It’s a fungus. Okay, so there’s a stagnation. Yeah, exactly. That’s it. There’s a block. There’s a stagnation. We remove stagnation, whatever it may be. All right? We can have emotional stagnation when we’re stuck emotionally, it creates tension. Yes, we release stagnation. And why is fungus there? Paul Stamets did the experiment with the mushrooms, and he put the mushrooms on the oil spill. And the mushrooms extracted toxicity from the soil and converted it to organic matter. Why would it be doing anything different in our bodies? Josh always said this. The mold in your house, it’s not about getting rid of the mold.

It’s about the fact that your house wasn’t built right in the first place. It’s ridiculous. Black mold everywhere. Right, but the black mold is there. Cleaning up the poison that your house was built with. Old houses that were built with natural materials do not mold. Right. But now let’s go kill your black mold and then put the poison right back in your house again. And, oh, the black mold is back again. Well, and then we use the isopathic. That comes from Aspergillus. Black mold aspect. Gillis aspergillus. The isopathic Aspergilla, based on Aspergillus is. Helps clean your organs, support the cleaning of your organs of elimination.

All right? It’s like a master cleanser. And that’s exactly what it’s doing. When you build your house out of poison, is the black mold comes to try to clean up the poison your house was built with. Yeah, it’s the remedy. But you can also. Yeah, well, I. I’ve. I’ve Definitely said that to quite a number of people. Same way. Right. Because we always want to blame the microorganism, and nature’s purity would not allow those things to happen. Exactly. You got it. And think of this, too. Think of this, too, Andy. If we look at just fungus in general, it’s a low oxygen in a certain PH environment.

All right, so does the person have a belly button issue? They’re not getting the oxygen. And then a PH experience. Is this an anger you got? Angry person with a tight belly button. That can be a total fungus case. Make sense. It’s all how people are. So all you angry, tight belly button people out there, anyone with the toe fungus, lighten up. Stretch, stretch. Belly button, Castor oil. We would sell this all the time. Rub. And you asked the question earlier. I’ve had scars that are superficial. And you rub castor oil on it and they’ll start to disappear.

Just, you know, understand when you’re working on a scar, there could be an emotional release as well. So people have to be very aware of that. Oh, that’s. Yeah. Put your finger in your belly button to see what. Some people are very sensitive about their belly button. You know, that tells you a lot more about their actual birth history. But back to the chart real quick, too. One of the great things it does is it shows how you can either support the process or how you can actually make the process worse. So Adam talked about the average Americans on three to five pharmaceuticals.

You got six phases there, you know, suppress this, suppress that, suppress this, suppress that. Now you’ve got cancer. It’s pushing the sick disease deeper down in the body. It’s not much different than what alternative practitioners are trying to do. Here’s your antibacterial. Here’s your anti parasitic. Here’s your antifungal. Here’s your anti inflammatory. It’s all suppression. And all I can think of is your poor body is trying to heal. And then you’ve got your doctors just up there going, no, no, kill the candidas. Not on my watch. You know, so you can support it. And if you support it the right way, this chart could be very helpful.

Helpful. And if you don’t do it the right way, then this chart can show you what you’re doing in the wrong way. Right? Yeah, definitely. It’s helped us, though. It’s really helped us, Andy. You know, dad’s teacher had it on the wall, framed. You know, dad, same thing in his clinics. There was that acupuncture, dental meridian chart. There was. There was this. You Know, there was a pleomorphism chart. This is what, what dad did, what we do. This is not rocket science. It’s very simple. And dad always said health is simple. People are complicated. We suppress.

We suppress. We suppress. Right. We don’t want to hold ourselves accountable. And emotions can be toxic energy. You know, you’re near these toxic people, the jobs that people don’t really enjoy. Is this going to affect them? Yeah, without question. You know, so it ain’t rocket science. Align the car, take pressure off the system. So many things come down to mechanics even with the scars, right? The adhesions align, things take pressure off the system, open up pathways of elimination and get things to flow. That’s the basis of it. And see what changes. Really. This has really been a phenomenal discussion here.

I’ve learned a ton. And it really drives home a way to understand many of the things I’ve observed time and time again. And it gives new ideas, especially about, I think, you know, some of the big takeaway points we, we gave got here is, you know, don’t ignore the psychological wounds. No, no. And yeah, don’t. Don’t ignore the, the physical wounds. Right. The scars, including from normal life processes like our medicalized birth. Any surgical interventions. When we experience physical traumas, there’s an emotional component. When we experience emotional traumas, there’s a physical component. And we need to, we need to seriously consider those things whenever our health is not optimal.

Right, you got it. And it’s really, you know, for us, the real question is not what disease someone has, but where are they on the adaptation experience, you know, is the body adaptable? This is Anna Maria. You know, my girlfriend would always say that we’ve lost our adaptability and we don’t care about what the toxin is. Honestly, whether it’s McDonald’s or something people are injecting into their arm. Our question is why is the body not cleaning that garbage out? That’s the right. Yeah. And what’s nice, too, is, you know, from this perspective, disease is not a failure, it’s an adaptation.

Your body is doing something very intelligent. Disease is not a monster. You know, the movie I watched recently, it’s not. Disease is not the evil experience. Your body is doing something intelligent. You’re a part of the process. You know, you can take control. And this is all we’ve ever done, is educate and empower people so they can learn to take charge of their health care. Our goal is to have people not come to see us because they understand how the body works and they can Learn to take care of themselves. I think that was part of pandemic, you know, making doctors heroes and nurses, trauma surgeons, paramedics.

They’re awesome. You know, if you’re falling apart, they’ll put you back together. But the chronic disease issue, I believe 1,000% that they created. You know, dad, I remember as a kid looking up the word in the encyclopedia and my dad had dealt with all these chronic issues and I said to him, but this is chronic, you’re not supposed to be able to fix it. And he said, that’s their truth. That’s not my truth. So, you know, I’m really grateful, Andy, that this is crossed your plate and it resonates with you. I want people to hear that word homotoxicology.

It’ll help them make sense of a lot of things. And then I’m curious to see what people do with that stronger foundation. You know, you knowing this, where do you, it’s going to make sense of things for you now? So where do you end up taking this stuff? I’m curious. Yeah, no, no, this is such a useful tool. I can’t wait to like hear people in my community applying this to their situation and then letting me know about it because, you know, I think anyone probably just after viewing this lecture can make use of it for their personal situation.

And you know, you made such an important point about that. You know, your goal and my goal also is that people don’t need our consultational services because they were able to essentially heal on their own. And of course that’s not a great business model. And that’s why the medical industrial complex, it essentially offers the opposite, which perpetuates disease because that’s way more profitable. And you know, it’s good to make a living as, as a health expert and it’s always going to be needed, but it’s, it’s not, it shouldn’t be the top line item on the GDP of the nation.

Right? Yeah, you got it. But you guys do offer, at a very reasonable expense, excellent educational courses. And I’m not sure what you can call your blood research services here, but why don’t you tell the audience again where they can find more information, Sir. And thanks for asking that because we typically forget to say these things in these interviews, Josh and I. Our job is to educate and empower people so they can learn to take charge of their health care. And there’s several things we offer to do this, you know, we do the consultations, which is great, but the reality is there’s a lot you can learn and take action before you have to do that even.

Not that I’m trying to talk people out of this, but we just put together a PDF so people listening can go to terrainprimer.com and we’ll put the link below for everyone. Awesome. We’ll talk about the microzymas pleomorphism, homotoxicology blocks in the body and a little bit of what you can do about some of these things. The idea, too. Josh and I have our School of Health and Wellness. So we do two webinars a month, $27 a month. We do a guest webinar and then we do a Q and A. And the Q and A. Any question is appropriate.

So we’ve got people that have done consultations, we have practitioners there, we have people that were patients of dad way back, things like that. Sometimes Barlando comes and hangs out and people like that too, which is nice. It’s the discussions, though, Andy, Josh and I want to meet people where they’re at. So let’s have some discussions. You know, for people listening, really. Terrain Primer. Dad’s Holographic Blood book is the best Terrain foundation book I think there is. I don’t know, Andy, if you’ve come across others that you think is. Well, I would, I would mention Dr.

Arce’s book, especially for a audience without prior knowledge, but Holographic Blood is definitely in my, you know, required reading category. It’s an easy reading. It’s a great intro to the train. And, you know, then you get into Mari, if you want to go deeper into that terrain, which is why she’s so brilliant. And that’s why we have, you know, with Anna and I, we have the University of Terrain and Josh and I have other courses. So we have a course on that Holographic blood book. We’re not teaching the holographic blood work. We are doing some microscope training with people that take our other courses because we need to know who you are first.

But these courses are great, Andy. 13 week course. We’ve got videos of dad talking about all of this stuff. So for people that want to learn Terrene Primer, come to our School of Health consultation. Dad’s books, our courses. Well, we tell people that if they take the courses, they’re not going to need a consultation because they’ll understand if they’re having issues, what’s going on with them. So there’s the two courses. Yeah, there’s the Intro to the Train course and then the next one coming up. There’s the doctors Are more harmful than germs course, which I think is probably what may Adam the 13 week courses and they’re super interactive.

You know, we try to keep the group small. We get to know people and it’s those live webinars where the discussions happen and we start to connect a lot of different puzzle pieces and so a lot of fun. And it’s easy because like dad said, even I can understand it. Well, and to push a little more too. As long as you’re asking. Andy, Josh can hold up my newest book. Yay. We’re doing all kinds of courses now. Josh is putting together a course on the history forms so we can start to work with practitioners and give them some guidance with some of their cases if they’re interested.

No pressure. I’ve got a terrain curriculum for children that I put together. So 40 lessons for kids so we can teach the kids not to train. That’s amazing. I mean, for all you home educating families out there, this is just the kind of thing that you’ve been looking for. Yes, I’ve got me and Pete the parasite. Right, the book about that. Teaching kids not to fear parasites and how brilliant their bodies are. These kids are going to grow up not being afraid of germs and, and they’re going to be healthier, they’re going to be happier. All right, so we’ve got stuff.

We do our best. We’re a small operation and yeah, we’re grateful for the people. Listen, you guys are making a really important contribution here and so don’t, don’t underestimate that. And you know, when I get talking with you guys on this topics, like it makes me want to be a doctor again, you know, but obviously in a different way. And you know, that kind of country doctor that has real relationships with people and you know, helps them get to the bottom of it no matter what. So thanks for that inspiration and thanks for coming on and teaching us about homotoxicology today.

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