SUNDAY SPECIAL w/ Dr. Peter McCullough and Christopher Rufo

– Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show that’s not immune to the facts. We like to highlight some of the really great interviews we do on the radio. If you’d like to listen to the radio show live, go to any weekday.
– Yesterday was yet another police state witch hunt fake indictment against Donald Trump. Constitutionally, it was very fake. The alleged crime is actually something Democrats have been up to for decades right now. Questioning elections and trying to intimidate presidential electors is not a crime. It is a first amendment protected activity.
– This case is bull stuff, folks. We are officially in Banana Republic territory right now. All lines have been crossed. There’s nothing but uncertainty ahead. But the good news is that the United States has defied the ODS from the beginning. Why are we different?
– Not for Democrats. Folks. The Republic is dead. The only question now is can we rebuild it? You are not safe if you do not tow the Democrat line. Apathy is your worst enemy, folks. I’m long on America, but you still got to put up a fight.
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First up today, we talked with Dr. Peter McCullough about everything going on with COVID the vaccine, myocarditis heart problems. I asked him a bunch of questions about the latest research about potential side effects of the vaccine. This is a really important interview. Check this out.

Alright, let’s not waste any time. One of my favorite guests. One of your favorite guests. A very knowledgeable guy, world renowned cardiologist, a physician, very smart man. Knows a lot about COVID the COVID vaccine, how it impacts the heart. A very reasonable guy as well. Welcoming back to the show, Dr. Peter McCullough. Doc, thanks so much for spending some time with us. We really appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

So, Doc, last interview you did with us on the show blew up on my Rumble platform. It was actually our most listened to show of the month. People are really concerned about the effects of this vaccine. We’re going through another small spike in COVID with this new variant the pressure campaign to get this vaccine is on again. Any new data emerge about safety or efficacy that we’ve missed since the last time we spoke? What’s your just overall view on it now?

Unfortunately, Dan, more data have come in. The heart damage that occurs in young people, the myocarditis and the percentage risk is about 2.5% of people who take the shot. That’s based on two studies, one by Mueller in Switzerland, the other one by Mansoukian in Thailand. It’s about 2.5% sustain some heart damage, mainly 90% young men, ages basically 18 to 24. That’s the military college age risk. Men about 2.5%. About half feel it. They have some symptoms. Half they don’t feel it at all. When they are studied with MRI, a paper in circulation by you and colleagues show 58% of the time the damage is not cleared up at a year. Now, the MRI can improve, especially when there’s small area damage. But now a couple of papers, including this one, suggest it may be permanent. The problem there is, if there’s a permanent scar, some people, a sub fraction, will be at risk for sudden death.

Now, Doc. We’re talking to Dr. Peter McCullough. Last time we spoke, you had addressed that 2% number and said that a number of people are not going to have any issues. And I forget the exact numerical breakdown, but this percentage won’t have any issues. This percentage will have mild issues. Maybe some inflammation locally at the site and others are going to have serious issues. What was the breakdown there and how does it relate to that 58% of that 2% you’re talking about?

Right. So let’s look at broadly the vaccines. So a paper by Schmelling in Denmark, probably one of the most important papers out there, they had pfizer, they had all the side effects and they had the batches of pfizer, the manufacturing batches, three major groups. The first group, which is a third in the Schmelling paper, zero side effects, Dan, nothing. They take a shot, they don’t even feel it in the arm. Second grouping is about two thirds. They have some mild side effects of fever, sore arm, nothing big. The third grouping, small number 4.2%, Dan, is through the roof. They’re the ones getting the heart damage. They’re the ones having blood clots, sadly dying. So that’s broadly with vaccines. Then the two prospective cohort studies, Mansougian and Mueller, showing the rate of heart damage about 2.5%. So obviously that 2.5% is within the 4.2. It is a problem of the manufacturing of the vaccines. And Senator Ron Johnson has brought this to the CDC and FDA last year and said, listen, we’ve got a manufacturing. Not all the vials are the same. It’s so bad. Now there’s websites where people can look up the batch that they’ve taken and they can see the relative risk ranking of the batch. Really? Do you have that website? Can you tweet that out or something? So we can. What is that? I think it’s called mybadbatch.com. There’s a couple of them out there, but there’s well over 100 different batches and they’re in groupings. And you can look at the relative rank order of how dangerous they were. And what Johnson is saying is, listen, come on. These have been out two and a half years. Let’s get some FDA inspections on these. Maybe the quantity of messenger RNA varies. Maybe there’s contaminants of DNA that’s been presented to the FDA advisory committee by multiple scientists. Maybe there’s visible contaminants in them. The Japanese have returned millions of vials because they see stuff at the bottom. But the FDA and the CDC have refused to have these products inspected.

So, Doc, is this a standard old axiomatic dose? Makes the poison event here that they may have just been improperly dosed due to manufacturing problems and that’s why some of these people are having such serious side effects? Is that what I’m taking from what you’re saying here?

It’s the strongest explanation, Dan. It’s the strongest explanation because in most of what we see looks like spike protein, which is a proxy for how much messenger RNA they got. I think these lipid nanoparticles probably aggregate into clumps. And some people get a big dose of it in some of these vials, and some get relatively little. The Schmelling paper shows a third of people over time. There’s nothing. I know people who’ve taken the shot. They’ve never even had a sore arm. They haven’t had one single problem. I examined them in the clinic, Dan. They’re perfectly fine. There’s not a single lab abnormality off yet. I see a smaller fraction. They have all kinds of problems. Blood clots, heart damage, neurologic problems.

Yeah. Doc, I monitor my heart religiously, being a former chemotherapy patient, for reasons outside of the vaccine. But as you know, you and I haven’t spoken often. I’m deeply concerned of the impact. My HRV score was never really the same after the vaccine. It could be correlation. I mean, I know it’s not necessarily causal. I went through a lot at that time. But every time I put my fingers on that cardiomobile, which I do, like once a week, I never get anything unusual. It’s just the HRV score. And I noticed my cardiovascular capabilities went down. But again, there’s a confounding variable with chemotherapy. So I guess the question I’m asking you is, outside of that, for the person who hasn’t been through chemo or other heart damaging things, how would you know? Is it only a troponin test? Is there any other way you’d know, this impacted your heart other than a massive myocardial incident?

Well, let me tell you that in general, the vaccines disrupt the balance between the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system. The sympatheticIs the fight or flight, the adrenaline system, the parasympathetic is the relaxation system. And the vaccines commonly disrupt this.

The exaggerated form of this, Dan, is called Pots or posterior atherostatic tachycardia syndrome that’s actually label blood pressure, low blood pressure, high blood pressure and a high heart rate. Have you seen these montages of all the people in the media passing out? Have you seen this, where they just pass out? It’s the weirdest thing. Yeah. That’s not a cardiac arrest. That’s actually Pots. But there have been dozens and dozens of media anchors that literally on camera pass out. And let me tell you, people do pass out in public. And I see this commonly in my clinic. It’s not a cardiac arrest, it’s called Pots. It is a side effect of the vaccine.

And because the vaccines change the modulation of how the body handles these two systems, and again, we believe it’s related to the Spike protein. I was impressed by a paper from Swank at colleagues from Harvard. Now, they’ve been able to measure the Spike protein in people who’ve had the shot, had COVID. Most people have had both because the shots don’t work. And Swank measured, he found the Spike protein still in the bloodstream can a year later, circulating.

Wow. And that’s not supposed to happen, right, Doc? That was supposed to be a local event to induce this mRNA kind of intracellular response, right. And that’s it? It’s not supposed to persist. Correct?

That’s right. And everybody with symptoms, as you mentioned, it’s circulating. Now, if it’s just a mild thing that you’ve seen on a heart rate variability, that’s the most minor version of it. The severe versions, people, they can’t exercise, they’re passing out, they’re miserable. And in my practice as a cardiologist, I’ve come up with an approach for all these syndromes. There’s a base of natural products we use which I think are important because it is related to the Spike protein. And then there’s prescription drugs that I use specifically for these syndromes of cardiovascular.

Doc, I don’t want to interrupt you, but I just want to get the audience ready. So get your pens, folks, because I’m going to get a thousand emails after this. I’m giving you a second, folks. We’re going to do a countdown. Everybody take a five, four, get your pens ready. So, Doc, the cocktail you mentioned last time, I kid you not, I got probably a thousand emails. What was the cocktail? I take it. I swear it’s worked for me. Not just for my heart, but just for general health. I was taking a lot of these things before, and I think they’re absolutely great products. But this natural cocktail, what are the elements of it? And just a brief explain of how each element works.

Right. So the problem is the Spike protein, which was engineered in this Chinese biosecurity lab, it’s an unnatural protein, Dan. The human body can’t break it down and it causes all these problems. So the Spike protein causes heart damage, it causes neurologic damage, it causes it’s found in the blood clots. And so it is the problem. You get it from the virus. And the spike protein causes the long COVID symptoms and you get a ton of it from the vaccine. So that’s the problem with the spike protein.

One of the things that we found is that you have to get rid of it. You can only patching up the symptoms unless you get rid of it. The two big innovations is learning that a natural enzyme called natokinase, the Japanese discovered this that is derived from the fermentation of soy. The natokinase dissolves the spike protein partially and it has been used by the Japanese for several decades as a cardiovascular supplement because it is a mild blood thinner and it helps protect against stroke and heart attack. To the we have information in this naturopathic area and there’s several dozen manuscripts on it, but at least three with SARS, CoV two. And the spike protein, it clearly partially dissolves the spike protein. So the first component is natokinase. It’s available as a capsule, 2000 units, which is equivalent to 100 milligrams twice a day, best on an empty doc.

What about lumbrokinase? Is that a substitute or you think natokinase is better? Lumbrokinase. We simply don’t have the information. Lumbrokinase is a family of enzymes derived from worms and we don’t know if those enzymes hit the spike protein. By the way, human enzymes looks like they don’t hit it. So it’s not like any old enzyme is going to work. So the next family of enzymes that work, that actually have some data against the spike protein is bromelaine. Bromelain is derived from, it’s a family of enzymes. It’s derived from the stems of pineapples. Pineapple stem. And a good paper to cite is by Varilla and colleagues where it clearly partially degrades the spike protein. The dose there would be 500 milligrams a day. So with natokinase and Bromelin, we have some preclinical evidence to suggest that we are beginning to attack the spike protein. And so they both, by the way, work as blood thinners. So the complications would be bleeding or easy bruisings. We have to watch that. We can use it in addition to prescription blood thinners, but you just have to keep a careful watch on this. Bromalaine, by the way, is an FDA approved drug as a topical ointment used in burns. So it has medicinal properties.

Okay, so some supplements actually are really like medicines. The third one doesn’t dissolve the spike protein, but it has randomized trial data in people who have taken the vaccines and had long COVID. And that’s the supplement derived from turmeric called Curcumin. Curcumin. And Curcumin has to be combined best with Pipperine, which is an extract from black pepper that helps it be absorbed or be in a liposomal format. But Curcumin 500 milligrams twice a day. So we’ve been working with this in my practice now for months, observing patients, doing the best we can. We’ve tried other things that clearly don’t work. And we’ve arrived at this base spike detox. We have a major manuscript coming out as now fully peer reviewed and accepted. It should be out shortly, which will support this. Now, I can’t make any therapeutic claims until we get to big randomized trials, but I can tell you HHS and the government has come out with their research plan for long COVID. And no study of these are planned. None. A billion dollars being spent on very expensive pharmaceuticals, and we’re years off from any information. So we’re telling people now, listen, if you want to take matters into your own hands, get nanokinase bromelin and curcumin and begin to supplement a healthy lifestyle with these. And we are seeing bona fide practice improvement in patients over time.

Doc, that’s amazing. And I’ll tell you, sir, cumin, for me, as an anti-inflammatory, living with osteoarthritis has been a wonder drug. I combine it with omega three S. The bromalaine and the quercetin also assists in getting that zinc into the cells. That’s been great for me, but the natokinase was new to me. Ironically, I got to run. Unfortunately, I’m running up to the end. But I heard about it from a physical therapist, and then he had no expertise in your very smart guy, though. And then I heard you say it. I’m like, man, that guy Nick really knew what he was talking about. So, Doc, thanks so much for your time. You’ve done the country a huge service with your honesty. Thanks for your expertise. We appreciate it.

Thank you. You got it. Dr. Peter McCullough, folks. natokinase bromelaine and Circumin. You heard it from the doctor’s mouth, so let’s hope those studies work out pretty well so they can make some, hopefully some therapeutic claims later. If it does work out. If it doesn’t, we’ll be the first to let you know. But always seek medical attention first. I don’t know your specific medical situation before you take any of this stuff. It’s important because some of these act as blood thinners, and you don’t want to run into that problem. Up next, another Dan Bonjito show rant from the eponymously named host. Let me tell you first about our next sponsor, the Durban Accords. They can impact the US dollar’s global dominance of the past 80 years. It’s been reported that on August 22, brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa may announce the launch of a new international super currency fully backed by gold or other commodities. It’s believed part of their long term plan is to supplant the US and the dollar as the cornerstones of the global financial system. How can you protect your IRA?Here is the text reformatted into natural paragraphs for easier reading:

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The Georgia indictment of President Trump was a major alarm bell. I was pretty passionate about what it all means. Play close attention to what I had to say. Important, you know, as I continue to say on the show, the Republic’s officially dead. Man you’re living in a police state now. You’re living in a police state right now. It’s not coming. It’s not around the corner telling, oh, next week, it’ll be here next year. You’re living in it right now. The fact that the left, by the way, is so paranoid about us using the terms police state and weaponized government says to you that they know exactly what I’m saying, and they know it to be absolutely true. It’ll be only a moment before the Oliver Darcy’s who once pretended to be a conservative until he could grift off CNN and pretend to be a liberal and the media don’t matters. Media Matters crew. Right. Start claiming you’re not allowed to talk about the police state actions against Trump, because that’s indicative of fascism, too. You’re like, wait, what? Wait, is that like triple, double, quadruple, reverse psychology? How about this? Let’s just start a general rule. This is the Dam Bongino rule, and it’s not the 20 wait 24 to 72 hours. This is a new Dam Bongino rule. This is Dam Bongino Rule 2.0. Whatever the left tells me not to talk about, I’m going to respond with this. You guys can take your lips on the left. Okay? No lips. You know those things around your mouth, surround your mouth. Have a little pinkish hue to them sometimes. And you can firmly plant them on this muscle. I have it’s on the backside of my body known as the gluteus maximus. There’s a minimus, too, but you can plant them on the skin overlaying the maximus. That’s what you can do. Because whenever you tell me not to talk about something, I’m now going to talk about it two and three times more, because now I know you’re scared. See, make no mistake. The libs know that they’re commies. They know they love the police state. They know these cases against Trump are embarrassing freaking jokes. They have zero doubt about that. What they want to do is intimidate weak people in their police state manner from not exposing them as the socialist, fascist commies they are. And some weak people will comply. Oh, my gosh. We can’t talk about that. Thank you. Now we’re going to talk about it twice.

Yesterday, unbelievably was yet another police state witch hunt fake indictment against Donald Trump. The indictment was legally very real. Constitutionally, it was very fake. There is no crime alleged. The alleged crime is actually something Democrats have been up to for decades right now. Questioning elections and trying to intimidate presidential electors. How come no Democrat has been arrested for that? The answer is because it’s not a crime. Well, intimidating them physically would be, but speaking about elections and questioning their results for as ridiculous as it’s been, when the Democrats do it is not a crime. It is a first amendment protected activity. Well, why is Donald Trump potentially going to jail because of it? Because we don’t live in a country with a functioning constitution anymore. That’s why.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. Tony, I’m reading your comments in lifetime. Call them what they are. These people are communists. Do not call them you know, I get it in the course of a conversation that comes up. They are communists. They hate it when you call them that because that’s what they are. If someone calls me a dumb ass, I don’t sit there and freak out about it because I know I’m not Stephen Hawking, but I know I’m not a dumb guy, so I don’t sit here and lose my mic over it. Okay? Why do liberals lose their mind when you call them commies? Because they are commies. And there’s nothing they hate more than a mirror being stuck in front of their loser faces, showing them who they are.

This case is bull stuff, folks. We are officially in Banana Republic territory right now. God help us. All lines have been crossed. And let me say to you, and it pains me to say this, there’s nothing but uncertainty ahead. I can’t guarantee you an answer right now about what’s ahead. I’m balancing two inequities right now. On one hand, no country that’s descended into totalitarian madness and the people that have done it have ever relinquished that power. None. It’s never happened once. They feel and savor the taste of this police state that they now have, the Democrats. The chances of them giving it up, ladies and gentlemen, are slim. That’s the bad news. The good news in this, if there is a piece of good news and some green shoots and hope at the end and light at the end of that big, long tunnel, it’s that the United States has defied the ODS from the beginning. No country on earth could have defeated the British army in the revolution, but we did. No country on earth could have defeated them in the War of 1812, and yet we won again, almost by accident. No country on earth should have survived the civil war in one piece. Not only we survive it, we grew. No country should have survived the strife of the street chaos. No country should have survived slavery and Jim Crow. These all should have been fatal moments for any normal country. But we’re not normal. What are you saying? We’re exceptional? Yes, sir. That’s exactly what I’m saying. We are different.

Why are we different? I don’t know. Jim always laughs at me with this computer simulation thing. Put aside the philosophy of all that for a minute. Who cares if we’re living in a computer or not? It feels real to you. And even if it was a computer, the rules are written differently for us. They just are. We are the richest, wealthiest country on Earth and there’s got to be a reason there. Why? I don’t know. Maybe it’s something as simple as god has blessed this place and chosen it as an example. I don’t know. I believe in Jesus Christ. He’s my Lord and Savior, and I choose to believe that. But you can choose different know, we’re surrounded and protected by oceans. We have abundant natural resources. We have friendlies to our north and south relatively so you could probably think of a number of practical reasons. I get it. I choose a spiritual one. But that’s my choice. You don’t have to embrace that. But we are different.

And I’m balancing those two things now that no police state, none, has ever voluntarily relinquished power against the fact that we were told all of these things would never happen here either. And they happened here. You’ll never beat the British. You guys will never. This ragtag army established what would become, just 200 years later, the world’s most dominant superpower in the history of this rock we call Earth. But as I said when I opened this portion of the show, ladies and gentlemen, there’s nothing but uncertainty ahead. And if you’re looking for a guarantee that we’re going to come out of this on the other side, bigger and better and stronger and more cohesive, then I can’t give that to you today. It is astonishing in just the last four years how badly this country has degenerated into police state madness.

Folks, the indictment that dropped yesterday, the fourth one, is such an embarrassing, humiliating mess that to call it a legal indictment is really an insult to words. They’re alleging conduct that every single Democrat in the Congress and the Senate at one point is engaged in. Everyone questioning elections, questioning electors, questioning voting patterns. Every single one would be in jail if the conduct in the indictment yesterday were actually criminal. It is not. So how did they get anIndictment for the third time? Because we live in a police state. We do not live in a constitutional republic anymore. We are out at sea. We have lost the moorings. We are out at sea right now. That’s why I tell you, there’s nothing but uncertainty ahead.

This indictment was based on two absolutely absurd premises that are so ridiculous that, as I said to you, every Democrat in the Congress and the Senate, probably at the state level too, would find themselves in prison if these were crimes.

First, they based the indictment on an allegation that Donald Trump wanted to find votes. Ladies and gentlemen, that is not what happened. He was not talking about finding illegal votes. There has never been an ounce of evidence that Donald Trump was incentivizing fraud. Donald Trump believed the election system in Georgia was screwed up and that there were votes out there for him that could have been found. You have zero evidence whatsoever. He was calling for fraud. Zero.

So much so that The Washington Post had to write a major correction to a piece where they asserted as much. The second premise this absurdity, this illegal absurdity is based on is this fake electors premise. Folks, there is no such thing as fake electors. There are alternative electors, something that’s been proposed by Democrats since time immemorial. If that’s a crime, every Democrat in Congress would be in jail. They were not proposing fake electors. They proposed an alternate backup slate of electors in case they won the legal challenges in the states where they were challenging the votes.

Folks, due to COVID, we had a mass mail-in ballot election. It is the New York Times themselves back in 2012, that wrote a story by Adam Liptak We’ve covered on this show many times, a story they wrote about how mail-in balloting is subject to double the rejection rates and fraud, how mail-in balloting had inherent problems in it, security issues, rejection rates. Yet mysteriously, that was in 2012 when the Democrats figured out they could use mail-in ballots. All of a sudden, it became the most secure election of our lifetime. Both of those stories can’t be true, jerkwads. One of them has to be fake and it’s the latter.

This was not the most secure election in American history. And that is why the Trump team would have been engaged in legal malfeasance if they did not have a backup plan in case their lawsuits prevailed with electors, something that Democrats did in Kennedy versus Nixon and the Gore race oh, I got audio for you later. I’m going to play again too. Of Democrats actually trying to intimidate presidential electors. Wait, I thought that was a crime. Not for Democrats. It ain’t.

Folks. The Republic is dead. The only question now is can we rebuild it? And let me say this too I don’t want to wait till the end of the show to get this out. I’m going to sandwich it in the beginning and the end. If you’re taking this as some kind of boohoo moment and a reason to give up, then you’re listening to the wrong show. You have one country this where are you going to go? Really? Where are you going to go? You’re going to go live under AMLO or Trudeau in Mexico or Canada respectively? Where are you going to go? You’re going to go live in Guam somewhere? This is your country. You’re the leaders. You’ve been waiting for, my friend. Ginny Thomas says all the time, we’re the leaders we’ve been waiting for. You’re the leaders we’ve been waiting for. Don’t wait for someone else. You damn well better save this place, because there ain’t nowhere else to go, man. There’s nowhere else to go.

It’s a dark moment. The Republic as you know it is dead. You’re not safe from these people. I want you to understand, you are not safe if you do not tow the Democrat line. There’s nothing to do with party affiliation. RFK Jr. I’ll have some audio from him later, too. He had some stunning comments about the CIA yesterday. Tucker Carlson you’re not safe if you’re a Democrat either. No one is safe from these people if you don’t toe their line. The minute they sense or sniff or hear that you may be a threat to their new totalitarian police state regime, you’ll become a target. Too.

Apathy is your worst enemy, folks. They wiped out in this indictment yesterday pretty much every one of Donald Trump’s constitutionally protected liberties. Speech petition, assembly due process, his rights to an attorney, all of it. I’m going to go through it point by point, piece by piece, and show you how, folks, this really was. What you witnessed yesterday, the death of the Republic.

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Up next, we talked with Christopher Rufo about the culture war and what it takes to fight in this cultural revolution. This is fascinating. He lays out the actual steps about how he got here and a controversial approach on how to move forward. Check this out.

Let me welcome to the show Chris Rufo. Chris, you came on at a bad time because I’m really pissed off today, not at you. I think you’re awesome, but I have no time for cutesy time and for BS. And for garbage and for people who don’t understand right now. That when I mean this in a non figurative, literal sense. The entire fabric of the country is disintegrating under a multi decade culture war that the left’s been engaging in. And there’s almost no one out there that gets it outside of a small pocket of conservatives and people like you who are willing to do something about it. Welcome to the show, Chris. How’s your day today? Tell us about the book.

Well, I’ll tell you, I feel exactly the same way quite frequently, so I can sympathize with you on that. But the best thing that we have to do is to ignore even the haters on our own side, to demonstrate their impotence by being successful, by being results oriented, and showing that this do nothing conservatism, which dominated the movement for many years, is a total dead end and we have to move beyond it.

We’re talking to Chris Rufo. I’ll give you a proper introduction. I’m just so furious about this. Because you get it. Chris has been an activist for a long time. He is no Johnny Come lately here he has been trying to change the education system which the left is prioritizing their culture, where he has a book out. It is a mega bestseller called America’s Cultural Revolution. You should pick it up. It is worth your time. It is out right now. Pick it up wherever you get your books. Like I said, it’s a bestseller for a reason.

Chris, you’re an action oriented guy, I’m seeing. However, I want you to explain to us here. We’ll get to the book, I promise you. But the new school in Florida, what you’ve been up to over there, and how this became like a national kind of story, and I’ve even seen some fake Republicans know, we should back down on what you did there. Tell us how that fight started, where it is now, and your answer to them will say, hey, we should just play cutesy time know, play nice with them, and eventually they’ll understand we’re the better people.

That’s right. So the story begins in January. Governor DeSantis appointed me and a number of other conservative intellectuals and scholars to the Board of Trustees of the New College of.Florida, which was a struggling, failing university within Florida’s public university system. And he said something very simple. He said, look, legislators want to shut this college down, but instead I’m appointing a new board. You guys are going to take it over, fire the leadership, abolish the dei, and restore this university to classical liberal arts education, rebalance the faculty, recruit new students, and turn this university around entirely.

And so what we’ve done is we got in, we fired the president, we pushed out the provost, we abolished the dei department, we fired the dei director. We brought in a whole new know through a series of incentives. About a third of the faculty have quit. They don’t want classical liberal arts. They don’t want a discussion. They don’t want a debate. And so we now have turned this around. We’ve raised more money from the legislature than ever before. We have the largest incoming class. And I think what we’ve done is we’ve shown that conservative voters in places like Florida want at least conservative friendly institutions. And so I make no apologies about it. That’s exactly what we’re doing. We’re creating something different. We’re going back to the classical liberal arts model and we’re not going to apologize for it. No, and you shouldn’t. We’re talking to Chris Rufo, the author of a mega bestselling new book, America’s Cultural Revolution. It lays out the battle plan for doing this.

Chris, I have not read the whole book. I’ve seen portions of it pretty powerful. I think one of the and correct me if I’m wrong, but one of the takeaways if you had to give kind of an overarching view. What the book is about is that we as conservatives we have to get comfortable with using political power. We’ve had this kind of almost inherent kind of genetic revulsion towards using political power because the essence of conservatism has been to be the anti communist, to be against collective power. But that’s not the world we live in right now. The advent of CBDCs, the corruption of the education system, the police state, the weaponization of government and the power they have. I mean the use of AI, we’re going to have to get comfortable with using political power but just using it for a good kind of common cause rather than what the left has been using for. Am I kind of stretching that too far or is that kind of where you’re going with it?

That’s exactly where I’m going with it. And the facts are very simple. In an ideal world I would love a system of very limited government as the founders imagined. But we don’t live in an ideal world. We live in a world where for the last hundred years american political leaders of both political parties have expanded government to the point where now our government as a percentage of GDP is larger than the government in communist China. And so the question is because conservatives have failed to reduce the size of government for the last hundred years, what are we going to do about it? Government controls 75% of the colleges and universities. Government controls 90% of the K through twelve education system. And so what values are we going to put in these institutions? Are we simply going to say that we elect conservative leaders to serve as figureheads to get the nice titles and prestige of legislator or governor, but we’re going to delegate the management of all of our public institutions to our enemies, to our opponents, to people who would want to destroy all of the values that we cherish? The answer is obviously no. We can advocate for smaller government while at the same time recognizing the fact that we have a large government and someone has to run it, some people’s values will be prioritized, other people’s values will be deprioritized. And so to me, that is the essential question when we’re teaching kids, what do we want to teach them? And that’s what conservative governors and legislators need to do.

Yeah. And I think what you guys did, folks, if you haven’t seen the video, it’s a little older. We played it on the podcast, the radio show of Chris when you were at the New School and there was a decision to be made about a board meeting that was going to happen, and they tried to enact the heckler’s veto, oh, you’re not allowed in here. It’s going to be dangerous. You can’t give this speech. You got to watch how you guys just stood up and you basically said, no, we’re going ahead with this speech, and if you don’t want it, then you guys can all resign. I mean, that was really a great moment. And I think conservatism, this new conservatism, is starting to embrace your approach on that. And what the governor did down here in Florida, Governor DeSantis as well, saying, yeah, we’re not going to let you guys take over. We’re not going to accept your heckler’s veto. We are going to march through and do what we know is the right thing.

Chris, one question I have for you, though, about your book is we play Yuri Bezmanov a lot on the show, the KGB defector who talked about the basically decade long march through institutions the Soviets always had planned. They knew they couldn’t crack the United States from the outside, so they had to do it from the inside in. This cultural revolution really did take hold, though. And I mean, what the left did, they marched through our institutions because they always understood there could never be communism or collectivism without the kids. Do you really think that things like this can turn it around? Or do you think we’re at the point of no return? Your candid assessment of where we are?

Look, I’m very clear eyed about what’s happened to our institutions. The story of the book is the detailed kind of secret history of the radical left’s long march through the institutions beginning in 1968 and continuing to the present. So the foe, the formidable challenge that we face is we shouldn’t underestimate it. However, I’m optimistic because in states like Florida and Texas and Tennessee and Idaho, conservatives still have political power. And so to me, the question is not are our enemies too powerful? Is the radical left too well entrenched in our institutions? The only limitation that I see fundamentally is the limitation of conservatives, the limitations that we’ve put on ourselves. And so if we’re willing to fight, if we’re willing to stand up, if we’re willing to push back, if we’re willing to take over institutions and govern them, unapologetically and orient public schools, public universities, government agencies to the values that we hold most dear. We can take this country back. We can reorient it towards those great principles of freedom and equality. And so at the end of the day, I just think that we have to summon the courage within ourselves to fight this fight. And that’s what I tried to encourage people to do in the book.

The book is called America’s Cultural Revolution by Chris Rufo. R-U-F-O. It’s out now. It’s a bestseller. It is fantastic. It is definitely worth your time, Chris. I saw this movie Oppenheimer this week. I don’t get to watch movies often because they’re full of woke Hollywood libs, and I don’t want to give them my 1015 bucks, whatever the hell a movie costs now. But I’ve always been interested in this. And it got me thinking about the complexities of human beings as I was talking about in the beginning of my show and how the modern liberals so reductionist and they’re know you. Bad me good kind of stuff. And they did that on mean. Oppenheimer was a complicated guy communist sympathies on one end, but a guy brilliant know to think through how we would create a fission bomb. How were you so smart but you couldn’t figure out communism was a disaster? But it goes to show you, people are complex, but the left doesn’t do that, and they’re trying to teach in our educational institutions. This is what I want you to answer to, this reductionist way of thinking. Oh, they own slaves, they’re awful. Well, slavery is an abomination, and no serious person disputes that, or sane person. But folks, human beings have done horrible things to each other throughout human history. It doesn’t disregard every single beautiful thing that’s ever been created because a bad person may have created it. But that was the purpose, wasn’t it? To get people to think in these kids in the schools like simple minded morons so the government could teach them to be Borg like automatons. That was the point. Yeah, I mean, itIt is a shocking and tragic scenario that I outline in my book—it was the goal of the radical left in the mid and late 20th century to control education. Their aim is not simply for people to go to work, raise families, participate in their communities, and call it a day. No, they want to turn kids into revolutionaries. They want to indoctrinate them with ideas about race and gender, dividing them into oppressors and oppressed, and then send them out into the streets to fight for revolution. This is evident in places like Portland, Oregon, where schools are training kids to be activists. Therefore, reclaiming education is crucial. Without doing so, we will be truly lost. The good news is conservatives are waking up to this. We are passing school choice legislation in many states and taking control of school boards through local elections. In places like Florida, Governor DeSantis is even taking on the university system. We have a lot of catching up to do, but with determination, resolve, and intelligence applied to the political process, everything is possible.

Moving on to the topic of the sexualization of kids in schools, it is clear from a communist perspective that sex is being used as a tool to divide children from their parents. This is because sex is inherently confusing to young children who are not yet mature enough to fully understand it. While there are certainly perverts within this movement, I believe that the intentional sexual indoctrination of kids is aimed at creating division. Unfortunately, I only have a minute left, but I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

You are correct. The left cycles through three major themes: race, sex, and class. In 2020, the focus was on race, and in 2021 and 2022, it is on gender or sex. However, we should also be prepared for the focus to return to class as the economy slows down. It is important for conservatives to be confident and adept at debating on all of these fronts. As they wear down the public and are exposed for their wrongdoings, they will simply switch the narrative and continue their agenda. Chris, you have been an exceptional activist for conservatism, liberty, and freedom. I have followed your work for a long time. I would like to remind everyone that your book, “America’s Cultural Revolution,” is a must-read. It is currently a bestseller for a reason. We need more individuals who take action rather than just talking. Thank you for your time and best of luck with your book.

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I want to address the issue of divisiveness within our movement. There is nothing I hate more than when people on the inside engage in a purity exercise. This has become a cancer in the Trump sphere. I understand that not everyone may see it the way I do, but as someone deeply involved in this movement, I find it frustrating and detrimental. We need to focus on the bigger picture and work together, rather than tearing each other down. Our passion for this movement should be based on authenticity and a genuine desire for positive change.It has it’s become this cancer. I’ve exposed the cholera. Look, that guy, he’s controlled opposition. That’s astroturf. You’re being played. This is Astroturf Jim. No, man. There is nothing that drives me crazier than that. And it’s not just some random losers on Twitter. I’m talking about other people in the movement, too. Guys who have pretty big websites and so all they want to do is crap all over everyone else. It’s got nothing to do with advocating for liberty or freedom or anything like that. I mean, there is nothing you can do to impress this type of person. I’m talking about it’s the pure one and nobody’s good enough. The fact that they’re going to vote for Trump and put a sign in there, it’s not enough. That’s not enough. They’re not good enough for you. I don’t think they understand how politics works. And the politics is the projection of power through persuasion. Correct. That’s what it is, right? Anybody disagree with that? I don’t understand how we have so many people in our movement who’ve decided that the way to persuade people is to try to call everyone else the heretic.

If you’re wondering where this came from, it’s just in the last hour or so, some dipwad on Twitter magahulk guy. The MAGA. Really? Real genius. It’s like, yeah, man. This Oliver Anthony song is all Astroturf insinuating, that my social media manager who helped this guy out, wrote this guy. So we had no idea who this guy was. Jim, turn your mic on. Nobody knows me better than you. I spend more time with you than I do with my wife. Really? 15 hours a day. Everybody’s running around 15 hours a week, and even more time talking about the show. Okay. Have you ever heard me mention this guy’s name, that singer for this song before? What is it? Is it Last Friday? Have you ever heard this guy’s name? Not until Friday. No. Not until you sent it Friday morning. Okay, now you can swear on everything that makes you holy that that is accurate. Correct. I have a Bible app on my phone, so I can I don’t think the app works, but it’s the thought that counts. Okay. Thank you, Jim. We appreciate that.

Folks, I just wanted to help this guy out. That’s it, man. And so did Jason. And the fact that we got morons out there ready? This is Astroturf. A song is astro’s. Astroturfing. You how is that movement, man? Someone’s going to tell me next that Chris Rufo’s book is Astroturf. Dan had him on. Dan knows Rufo. Ladies and gentlemen, you’re being played. This is Astroturf. Because I had a guy on talking about ideas and thoughts and political tactics I agree with who has a great book. Do you hear yourself, man? I’m just going to warn you, man. You’re going to have to deal with this. You ever get a show, you become some kind of prominent blogger. You get a radio show, a podcast, or a TV show, I promise you, the most destructive, time-consuming stuff is not going to come from the left. They’re easy to handle. They’re morons. It’s going to come from inside the tent, guaranteed.

There’s a cancer in our movement, on the conservative side of our movement, and the cancer comes from within. It’s from these people who are so eager to believe they’re the purest at heart and there’s no one else around. This really ticked me off. So my friend Jason Howerton, who’s a great guy, he works with me to Full Disclosure on social media. He doesn’t work for me. Works with me as a number of other clients. He handles my Facebook page and others. Jason reached out to me last Friday and he texted me Oliver Anthony’s song, this viral hit, rich Man North of Richmond, and he said, have you ever heard anything like it? By the way, I have the text to back all this up. I said no, I haven’t. He said, I want to help this guy. So, on his own dime, he flew out. There no contract with him or anything like that. He flew from California all the way across the country to Carrada County, North Carolina, to film Oliver’s first appearance there, so he could get his message out there on social media and to do it. And he brought his video guy with him. And MAGA Hulk guy at the MAGA Hulk, who seems to be a real smart ass and knows more than anyone else. He’s like, I don’t want to comment all this. Then shut up, a hole. But there’s nothing authentic about this song’s rise to popularity. Jason Howerton seems to be a key player in an Astroturfing campaign. This is what a moron looks like. He notes that he’s the CEO of Reach Digital. Yes. Which helps people get media. Yes. That’s not a shocker. So a guy who has expertise in helping people get media helps a guy who has a viral hit get media. And the MAGA Hulk guy is like, you don’t know what you’re talking about, bro. It’s all astroturf. I am so sick of jerk wad dipsticks like this. Moron.

You know what? The MAGA Hulk guy, whoever you’re hiding behind your stupid avatar, it’s morons like you that eat this movement alive. Nobody’s pure but you. You had a friend of mine who went out there to help this guy out on his own dime, and all you can do is find a reason to crap on him, you piece of human garbage. And by the way, while we’re I just saw Jim. You commented on Twitter that guy by the way, we’re all busy trying to ward off the police state. We’ve got people online, Mega MAGA, Trumpsters, 6466, mr. Mega MAGA, joey Tony MAGA on Twitter, sitting there worried about a viral song. It’s enough, bro. It’s enough. These are the dip wads we’ve got in this movement, while the President of the United States was indicted for a fourth time. We literally have idiots arguing about this right now. They’re like, Chief, Mega MAGA trumpster told me it’s an op. Yes, it’s an op. Yeah, it’s an op. Definitely. It’s a big op. This is happening right now. Yes. There’s a big investigation to get to the bottom. You guys knock yourselves out. Have fun. You guys get to the bottom of that. Go right ahead. Jim’s laughing, but Jim’s only laughing because he knows it’s true. You have the police state destroying the republic. It’s now officially dead. And you’ve got Mega mr. MAGA, 42,000, chief MAGA MAGA guy on Twitter with his thousand followers, going, I’m going to get to the bottom of who thought this song was a good thing? This is real, Jim. Is it happening? Am I not kidding? And you want to talk about a group of incel losers? I mean, involuntarily Celibate, they’re sitting in the basement with the Hot Pocket right now. And the lubraderm and they don’t know what else to do. Like, I’m going to get to the bottom of who made that song go viral. Yes. Don’t worry about like, the republic collapsing or anything. Let’s get to the bottom of that. Thanks for listening to special Sunday podcast we put together for you. You can hear me every weekday across the country and over 300 stations. Go to Bongino.com. Click on Station Finder to find out where I’m on near you. Thanks for listening. You just heard Dan Bongino.