Friday Night Watch Party | Oklahoma City Bombing: Untold History Channel
Summary
➡ Ron Partain, the host of the Friday night watch party on the Untold History Channel, decided to show a documentary about the Oklahoma City bombing. He defended his friend, David Nino Rodriguez, against criticism from some viewers. The documentary, “A Noble Lie,” discusses the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, which resulted in 168 deaths and over 800 injuries. The documentary suggests that there may have been more people involved in the bombing than Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, who were convicted for the crime.
➡ Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh were involved in the Oklahoma City bombing due to their anti-government views, which were influenced by a previous event in Waco, Texas. After the bombing, Nichols turned himself in and McVeigh was arrested. Another man, Michael Fortier, was also arrested for knowing about the bombing plan. The bombing caused a lot of damage and loss, including two young boys, Aaron and Elijah Coverdale, who were in a daycare center in the targeted building.
Transcript
Untold History Channel. My name is Ron partain, and it is time for the Friday night watch party. I look a little ragged today. I think it’s been a long day, but cannot forsake the watch party. I debated on whether or not I was going to show the french revolution stuff or if I was going to show kind of a follow up to the Waco thing with the Oklahoma City.
And I elected to go with Oklahoma City. I think I am going to show some french revolution stuff, though, over the weekend or possibly Monday, just because I think that it’s important with what I’m going over in terms of Napoleon. And one other thing I want to address. I don’t know what the deal is with some of the people in some of the audience with Nino. I do not get it.
All right, but I’m just going to say this. I’m also one more time, and I’m not going to say anything else, but Nina’s my friend. All right? Nina is my friend. He’s been there for me in times when I needed him. And I’ll give a shit what anybody says. He ain’t a fucking shill. And he’s not compromised, right? He’s not. You don’t know him. I do. I’ve stayed at his fucking house and I want to defend that dude to the last.
So if that is a problem with you and you don’t want to watch me because of my association with David Nino Rodriguez, then you can get the fuck off my channel. I don’t care. But nobody’s going to tell me who my friends are going to be. And Nino is a friend of mine. I hope that’s clear enough for everybody if you fall into that category. So I don’t necessarily agree with everything that David says, but he’s my friend, and I don’t owe anybody any explanation as to who my friends are.
I can choose my friends. And David is a friend of mine and he’s going to remain a friend of mine. So if that’s a problem with you, then you don’t got to watch my show. You can leave. Bye. Anyway, I hope that was clear enough for everybody. Anyway, that said, tonight we’re going to go through the watch party and we’re going to go through the Oklahoma City bombing.
This is a 2011 documentary called a Noble lie. It’s actually very good. I’ve seen it a couple of times. It’s been probably about. I think I played it on my channel. I want to say I played it on my channel about a year and a half ago. And let’s see here. What’s this? Veteran med records. I don’t know about the veteran records for the Gulf War syndrome, but that’s a possibility.
I know there was a lot of stuff being housed in Oklahoma City. My understanding is that a lot of the stuff had to do with the investigation on the Clintons, with the Whitewater stuff, the Arkansas Development Finance Authority. If you know, then I’ll take your word for it. I don’t know that for an absolute fact. I do not know. Okay. If yours went up in smoke there, then I guess you would know.
Then I’ll take your word for it. Unfortunately, I didn’t have any stuff in relation to Gulf War syndrome, but I got shots. So my understanding on the Gulf War syndrome was the anthrax vaccinations that they gave to everybody prior to the first Gulf War. I think we did. Was it beyond treason? Yeah. I’m not going to prove it. I don’t know why you’re saying that. I’m not going to prove it.
I don’t have any evidence of it, but whatever. Anyway, let’s go ahead and do the watch party because I’m on one tonight, and I’m not going to say anything. I don’t want to just say anything that I’m going to regret. So let’s do the watch party. On April 19, 1995, at explosions tore through the Alfred P. World building in downtown Oklahoma City, ripping through the consciousness of America.
169 people were left dead and hundreds more injured. Shoot. That’s the wrong thing. Hold on, guys. That’s the wrong thing. Hold on. That was the. That was the. That was not the right one. Dang it. I chose the wrong one. That was the wrong video. That was only like a three minute trailer. So I’ve got to go find the original video. Hold on a. Yeah, it’s. I don’t.
Susan, I have no idea why they’re saying about Nino and being a shill and all other stuff, but whatever. I don’t agree with everything David does, but just because I don’t agree with him, I don’t agree 100% with anybody, but do not accuse me of being a shill or whatever by guilt, with association. That’s just a load of shit. Let’s see here. Doesn’t seem right. It just does not seem right.
It says it’s only 32 minutes long, and that does not seem right because the normal lie I thought was like 2 hours long. So hold on. This is the right one. All right, I found it. All right, here we go. Guys sa on this alarm. 600, we haven’t been able to dispatch anybody yet. 316, dispatch the man that fit through harbor. On April 19, 1995, as many people were starting their workday, a beautiful spring morning in the heartland became chaos when at explosions tore through the Alfred Pimura Federal building in downtown Oklahoma City.
An explosion at 09:00 this morning that did that damage you’re looking at right there, blowing off the entire north face of that building. The federal building, located 200 Northwest fifth Street, was almost completely destroyed. A terrible tragedy has occurred here in Oklahoma City. The bombing in Oklahoma City was an attack on innocent children and defenseless citizens. 168 people were killed in the blast and over 800 wounded. The hospitals were overrun with casualties.
A rescue worker was killed from falling debris within the first few hours. But what would sear the bombing in the hearts of Americans was the 19 children inside the daycare center in the building who had lost their lives. The most beautiful memorial left by anyone is not in the rubble of this building but in the hearts and the lives that knew them and loved them. We come today to remember their lives and we come today to offer thanks.
Thanks for the hundreds and hundreds of people who were involved in the rescue and recovery efforts. Six years before 911. It was the first mass casualty terrorist attack on american soil. The prologue to a new chapter in american history had been written in blood, fear and shock. Terrorism had struck home. From now on, nothing would be the same again. We know that more than McVeigh and Nichols were involved.
There were questions of other bombs being found at the scene of the crime, witnesses to the bombing. The FBI, like any government agency, is more concerned with power, prestige, maintaining its position rather than truth and justice based on the damage pattern to the building. But the government says, impossible. That life we had back before the bombing, that life is over. For the first time in my fight with the government, they stepped forward and said it would pose a grave risk to the national security of the United States of America if we released these CIA documents.
If you know the truth, the truth will touch you. You’ve got to band together or it’s over for all of us. The man on top will get you. If we don’t expose the fact that Oklahoma City stinks to high heaven, the same people that carried it out are going to do it over and over and over again. And they’re going to use these frightening events to drive a stake through the United States and kill our republic.
Almost immediately, the Oklahoma City Police Department announced a be on the lookout alert for two Middle Eastern looking suspects wearing blue jogging suits. Shortly before the bombing, they were seen by a witness running from the Murray building and getting into a brown pickup truck, then driving away from the scene of the crime. It was soon determined that a truck bomb had exploded directly outside the building, approximately 200ft from the bomb crater.
A VIN number stamped on a twisted axle identified the vehicle as a rider rental truck. Two suspects are in custody this evening in the bombing of Oklahoma City’s Murray federal building. Shortly after the bombing, a 26 year old US army veteran, Timothy McVeigh, was pulled over by an Oklahoma Highway Patrol officer 60 miles north of Oklahoma City. He was stopped for speeding in his car without a license plate.
McVeigh would admit to carrying a concealed handgun and was taken into custody without incident. It was the first time Timothy McVeigh had been arrested in his life. The original alert for two Middle Eastern males had been rescinded within hours of the bombing, and the identification number on the rider axle was traced to a rental agency in Kansas. The renter had given a false name, but had listed his address as a farmhouse in Michigan belonging to James Nichols.
James’s brother, Terry Nichols, was a friend of Tim McVeigh from their time in the US army. Upon hearing the news that he was wanted for questioning in the bombing, Terry Nichols turned himself in to the Harrington, Kansas Police Department. Within 24 hours after the attack, the FBI had received a tip from a former coworker of Tim McVeigh in Buffalo, New York. The tipster informed the FBI that McVeigh had often espoused militant anti government views and that McVeigh was very angry over the siege of the Branch Davidians by federal agents in Waco, Texas, which had ended in a catastrophic fire two years to the day before the Oklahoma City bombing.
That Friday, they showed the FBI bringing Tim McVeigh out of the jail in Perry, Oklahoma. And that’s when I got angry. When I saw that it was an American and it was a Middle Easternness, I had a hard time accepting the fact that Americans would do that. Americans are supposed to love their children. They are not supposed to murder their children. Shaken, disillusioned, angered that that could happen in this country, upon learning that McVeigh was already in jail, the FBI transferred him to federal custody and an indictment was issued against Tim McVeigh, Terry Nichols and others unknown for the bombing of the Murrow federal building.
Another army budy of McVeigh’s, Michael Fortier of Kingman, Arizona, was later arrested and charged with having advanced knowledge of the bombing plot. The last thing I remember was being thrown to the center of that room and looking up and looking into the sky, and there was no roof and everything was just suspended up in the air, in the sky. When I came to, I stood up and I was facing the south, but all the light was behind me, turned, looked back to the north, and the whole front of the building is gone.
I’m about four to 5ft from where it dropped off. On the morning of April the 19th, 95, my dog gunny and I arrived at the scene of the Murray building. There was a great deal of chaos at the scene. A lot of people bleeding, screaming, running away from the building. I lost my two grandchildren. They were in a daycare center at the Murray building. Their names were Aaron and Elijah Coverdale.
Aaron was five years old, Elijah was two. I was living at the regency when the bombing happened. That morning I was at work. I had custody of Aaron and Elijah, so they lived with me. And I had dropped them off at the daycare center that Wednesday morning. I’d get up in the middle of the night and get in the shower and turn the water on so people wouldn’t hear me screaming.
And I’d just scream at God and ask him what was wrong, why were we being punished? I knew the Coverdale boys, Elijah and Aaron. These two boys, they were characters. Me being single and living in this apartment. I was kind of a party guy at that time, 27 years old at one point in time, I had promised these two boys that I was going to give them some toys.
And problem with that, living in the regency on the 18th floor, you leave something in your car, you don’t want to go back down and get it because it’s just a hassle, unless it’s ice cream. And so I left these toys in the car for the longest time. I never did get them, those toys until after they passed away, when I gave them to Janie. Well, then I got.
Watching the stuff down on the street, kind of got mesmerized by what was going on down on the street. While I was standing up there, there was a little girl that was taking a photography class at UCO that took a picture of the building. And I was in that picture. You could not see anything in front of you. The smoke was so thick and so black. And the only thing I can tell you is it smelled like sulfur.
If you were in a chemistry lab, it smelled like sulfur. And she said, you can’t go that way. And I said, why? She said, there is nothing out there. It’s gone. The reasons for the bombing, the perpetrators, the rumors and the suspects change depending on whose viewpoint you take. Like all controversial events, some of those closest to the event and farthest away are bound together by their questioning of the official story.
The first questions were directed at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, which had launched the raid on the branch Davidians. The Oklahoma city office for the ATF was located in the Murray building and was the supposed target of the attack. Yet no agents were killed or seriously wounded. Was the ATF office empty that morning? I asked him if I could speak with an ATF officer that worked in the building so I could find out if they knew anything about my wife.
And he told me that they were in debriefing. And I asked him, I need to talk to one of them. I need to find out something. And he said that none of them had been in the building, so they weren’t hurt. They’d been tipped by their pagers that morning not to come into work. The ATF told several different stories to explain their agent’s curious absence. The most fantastic story was that two agents were indeed inside the building and were heroes that day.
ATF agent Luke Franey claimed that he was knocked unconscious by the blast, and after an aborted helicopter rescue, crawled onto an outside ledge to escape his office. Franey reported that he then used his martial arts skills to break through several walls and injured his hand. Another agent, Alex McAuley, claimed that he was in an elevator at the time of the bombing. After free falling for five floors, McAuley supposedly broke out and rescued several people.
My crews were the crews working on the Mer building the day of the bombing. Immediately after the bombing, they called me on the radios, and at that point, they were going in to assist with, because the fire department hadn’t even got there yet. They were going to check to make sure all the elevators were clear. They weren’t aware, because they were coming from the south side, that the building on the north side was gone.
So they went in to check the elevators, and that’s when they found out how bad the damage was inside the building. None of the elevators went to feefall because the governor overspeeds were not tripped. The safety mechanisms on the bottom of the elevators were not tripped. So none of the elevators had a free fall condition. I think it was McAuley indicated that they were trapped in an elevator.
So at the grand jury investigation, once I got the femur report that showed which elevator they were in, I said that there’s no possible way they could have been in that elevator, because my men checked it and it was still locked from the top. And the wall had caved in against the doors between floors, so they couldn’t have gotten out of the elevator without assistance. Jane Graham worked in the building for over a decade, was vice president of the federal Employees union, and has testified before Congress on labor issues.
She knew everyone in the building and bore witness to suspicious behavior. That morning, on the morning of the bombing, when my husband dropped me off and I got out of the car, as I was walking toward the entrance, there were two men standing directly in front of the double doors. And there was a little sitting area there, planter and so forth there in front. They were standing right there on the sidewalk.
They had on ATF jackets which said ATF on them. They were talking to a third gentleman who was dressed in business clothes. And I saw them. Their backs were tuning, and I thought, they don’t. Normally all of the people we see go up there to ATL. They’re never identifiable. They always are dressed. A lot of them look like drug people and other things, but they’re certainly not dressed for you to be able to tell who they are.
A paramedic who responded to the bombing, Tiffany Bible, confirms that the ATF were not in their office and in fact, may have been aware of some type of threat that day. In this affidavit, she states that immediately after the bombing, she asked an ATF agent on the scene if any of them were in the building. He responded, no, we weren’t in there today, and that the Murray building was bombed because of Waco.
She further states that within the first 20 minutes of the bombing, she saw at least eight ATF agents outside the building in clean black jumpsuits. To this day, the ATF has been unwilling to address their prior knowledge of the bombing. Beyond the vague rumors of the significance of April 19, some federal agencies were aware of an actual threat. One of the most frustrating things about prior knowledge is that the media, some in the media and others would accuse us of saying that the government blew the building up, which we never said, and I do not believe.
The US marshals responsible for security of federal personnel and facilities warned that, quote, islamic terrorists may be planning suicide attacks against federal courthouses and government installations designed to attract worldwide press attention through the murder of innocent victims. The ATF had placed informant, Carol Howe, into a white separatist community in eastern Oklahoma called Lom City. Another ATF agent admitted under oath that one suspect, Andy Strasmeyer, was reported to make, quote, threats to blow up federal buildings, unquote, before the Oklahoma City bombing.
Furthermore, Carroll Howe actually drove Strasmeyer and other suspects to Oklahoma City to scout bombing targets. Was this the source of the ATF’s suspicious behavior? The morning of April 19, US Representative Ernest Istuk of Oklahoma also displayed advanced knowledge of the bombing. To my left from the east, I saw Senator Istuk kind of work his way west. Well, he came up to me and we started talking small talk, terrible thing and all this, and really didn’t know what much to say.
And he said, all of a sudden he made the comment, yeah, we knew this was going to happen. I noticed the lady back behind me by backhoe over there taking pictures. She identified herself as an attorney, Lana Tyree, and she was with Ernest Istuk. And she made a comment to me that Istuk told her that they were aware of a bomb threat since April 9. You didn’t really think much about it until this grand jury and stuff started probing into it, and people were claiming that there wasn’t any prior knowledge.
I started thinking about it and got with Dave and we put two and two together and we said, hey, somebody knew about a prior bomb threat. This ought to be known. Everyone who knows me knows I would not sit idle if I knew about a conspiracy of silence. I would never rest until such a conspiracy was exposed. But I know of no such conspiracy. Istuk has denied this evidence under oath, but he has never answered the Oklahoma county sheriff’s deputy’s challenge to subject his opposing versions of prior knowledge to polygraph testing.
Many witnesses have officially stated that the Oklahoma county bomb squad was conducting a search at the federal courthouse across the street from the Murray building 2 hours before the attack. Trish Nix, I ran into her. She was another employee there at HUD, and she had asked me if I had seen the bomb squad that morning. And I had said no, I wasn’t aware that they had been in the building.
And she said yes. She had seen their unit parked in the parking lot of the church across the street. County appraiser JD Reed saw the bomb disposal unit parked outside the courthouse that morning. Despite multiple eyewitnesses, the sheriff’s department denies this claim. If that building was under threat and they were getting bomb threats and this was a daily thing or a weekly thing, or if they’ve gotten many threats or only one, the parents of the children in that daycare deserve to have been notified.
People do not keep children in daycares where there are bomb threats made. Under the pressure of mounting evidence, ABC’s 2020 reported on many of these puzzling questions. A year and a half after the bombing. At issue, increasingly for some of the victims and their families, what did authorities know or suspect before the explosion that federal workers and the children arriving at the Murrell building did not know or were not told? There was this fairly large truck with a trailer behind it and it had a shield on the side of the door and it said bomb disposal or bomb squad below it.
Authorities now claim in federal investigative reports that the huge, ominous truck with its trailer was being used by a deputy to run routine errands. Other documents obtained by 2020 show that someone called the executive secretariat’s office at the Justice Department in Washington and said the Morrow building had been bombed. But this was 24 minutes before the blast. No action was apparently taken. According to the show’s producer, the Justice Department actively intervened to prevent an in depth follow up to this segment from airing nationally.
2020 did a 15 or 20 minutes segment on prior knowledge that was put together by a guy named Roger Charles that was so explosive that he was putting together an entire hour or whatever for 2020, which he would tell you, but the feds came in and stopped. 2020 wouldn’t let them broadcast the larger segment that he put together concerning prior knowledge. The news channel has learned of another strange development.
Apparently, before the bombing, Governor Frank Keating’s brother Mark had been working on a novel about a terrorist bombing in Oklahoma City. Stranger still, one of the characters in the novel was named Thomas McVeigh. Despite the official denials, the evidence confirms that at least some amount of prior knowledge existed. More ominously, there are suggestions that certain government agencies were fully expecting a bombing to occur that day. The horse patrol, interestingly, was a very small unit and was assisted by the county reserve Mounted Patrol unit.
For whatever reason, on the morning of the bombing, they had been assigned and had already met at the Oklahoma City Equine canine facility and had prepared their horses, their tack and uniforms to go downtown for crowd control. Rarely, very rarely, would they go down in patrol or work downtown area for crowd control for anything. The importance of exposing prior knowledge cannot be understated. Those individuals who understood the danger beforehand and did nothing are just as guilty as those who lit the fuse on the bomb.
As the FBI and Department of justice narrowed its focus on Tim McVeigh as the lone bomber on April 19, people seeking truth and justice for the dead were dismayed that so many reports of accomplices were being discarded by the federal authorities. The first sketches of the suspects released by the FBI clearly indicated that two people were involved in parking the rider truck in front of the Murray building and the original bola or be on the lookout alert had mentioned three suspects.
When the hunt for John Doe number two was called off, and he was dismissed as a ghost, people who knew for a fact that they had seen McVeigh with other people began to speak out. Did McVeigh act alone during that time? Broadcasts were being made that there was suspects had been observed leaving the scene, and a brown pickup. At this time, people were trying to get together on who was going to do what, medical personnel and such.
There was a police car sitting to my left, facing west on Fifth street. And as we were all standing there conversing, and people were doing what they were doing, it came out over the radio on this police car that they were looking for a brown truck, an APB for a brown truck. It was quick, but it was heard. I haven’t stopped asking questions because I know that we haven’t been told the truth.
I’ve talked to too many people that saw Timothy McVeigh that morning, saw Timothy McVeigh in Kansas, and saw Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. Not one person saw him by himself. Timothy McVeigh stepped out of the truck. I walked him over to, let’s say, 1011ft away from the truck itself. I pointed a direction downtown, which is to my right. He seemed to acknowledge where I was talking about at that time.
The gentleman walked back to the truck. I talked to him. I also noticed there was a passenger in the truck at that time. And mostly it was a John Doe, too thing, because, as you remember, the greatest manhunt there’s ever been, and then all of a sudden, hey, he doesn’t even exist. If he doesn’t exist, how is the deal about the manhunt? I mean, things like that, that was continually coming out.
I know for a fact Timothy McVeigh was with another individual on the morning of April 19, right before the bombing, because the evidence is overwhelming and compelling that there were other perpetrators, and they were not pursued. In the very early days after the bombing, the decision was made not to pursue any more of those individuals. In the days before the bombing, Tim McVeigh was seen making preparations with other suspects, not Terry Nichols or Michael Fortier, but others unknown, whom the authorities seemed uninterested in finding.
Yeah, the man that I saw on the phone that day that was actually on the phone was McVeigh. I am 100% sure of that. He had a partner with him that had shoulder length hair that was leaned up against the wall facing him. Then at one point, he turned the guy to his right, who was leaning against the wall, shoulder length hair, and said, he told us to stay here.
I did go up to the FBI at 50 pin place and told them my story, if I remember right. I think they actually sketched out the second person that I was describing, which was shoulder length hair, tan, stocky build, a light plaid type jacket, shirt kind of mix, kind of goofy looking guy. A convenience store clerk reported to the FBI that McVeigh had purchased fuel for a rider truck at her store two days before the bombing.
Even pointing out on the register tape when the purchase was made, a company in McVeigh was another suspect. This example is only one of many eyewitness accounts that diverge from the official narrative. And although the government states that McVeigh never scouted inside the Murray building, a secret Service investigator reported that she had seen him in the building, also with a second suspect. The official narrative dictates that Tim McVeigh alone rented the rider truck in Junction City, Kansas, on April 17, two days before the bombing.
He and Terry Nichols supposedly constructed the bomb on April 18, but the bulk of eyewitness accounts assert that the rider truck was at Geary Lake for several days before that. I retired April 11, and after finishing up that morning, I decided to stop by here and fish at Yuri State Lake, which is right in this general area here that I was fishing from the pier or jetty. And I stayed here most of the afternoon fishing, of course, with no luck.
And later on that afternoon, I had decided to maybe go back over this way, over here to the other point back here, and see if I’d have any luck. I noticed a rider truck over there. I was sitting at home one day, and my wife came in from work, and she said that she had been stopped in a roadblock up here at Gary Lake in reference to the Oklahoma City bombing and the making of the bomb here at Gary State Lake with a rider truck.
And I said, well, you know, I had told you about the rider truck I had seen there before this, and that’s how I became aware of it. And then the next thing I knew, she told the ATF and FBI, the people at the roadblock, what I had seen. And before I knew it, my house was swarming with agents. McVeigh stayed at the Dreamland Motel, just outside the gates of Fort Riley, Kansas, while he rented the truck and built the bomb.
Once again, eyewitnesses state that he was not alone, and the Ryder truck was there for days before. The FBI insists it was the maid at the dreamland saw McVeigh’s friend with the Ryder truck and when shown a sketch of John Doe number two, told the FBI, my God, who did the sketch? It looks just like him. All these reports indicate that more than one rider truck was involved in the bombing, and more people than the government is letting on.
Justice for these killers will be certain, swift, and severe. We will find them, we will convict them, and we will seek the death penalty for them. It was promised to the people of Oklahoma City and to the rest of America that every single person responsible for the bombing would be caught, tried, and held accountable for the harm they had inflicted. It was expected that this promise would be fulfilled.
Nevertheless, as eyewitness testimony and other promising leads were being carelessly discarded, replaced only with the lies and inconsistencies of federal officials, a deep but private suspicion grew in the minds of observers that perhaps a government cover up was underway. Was this mere incompetence, or was there something else at work here? I was a police officer in the Tulsa Police department for 27 years. And in 1995, when the Oklahoma City bombing occurred, I was requested by the local FBI office, through our chief of police, to assist any way I could and look into the bombing and using my contacts as an investigative journalist, which is what I did on the side, to try to find out anything we could find out about the bombing, McVeigh, Nichols, and just kind of follow the investigation.
Any place it went, just follow the leads. I was still working the case with Janet Davis and David Hoffman, two Oklahoma city police officers. And one of them, it was one of the first ones in the building. And he saw some things in the building. He saw the biggest damage to the building was the pit, which was in the back of the building and went down, like, two or three floors.
He saw all of know that never came out in the news. It wasn’t part of the investigation. It didn’t count. In other words, if it didn’t fit the mold that the Department of Justice under Janet Reno set for the FBI, then it wasn’t put in the case. Period. The FBI bragged about its handling of the deadliest terror attack in american history. But gigantic holes in the case were being ignored by the media.
McVeigh was first suspected because he rented the truck under the name Robert Kling. One of the first pieces of evidence used to link McVeigh to the bombing was problematic. I went to Junction City. I went out to Elliot’s body shop, and I spoke to Mr. Elliot. I told him who I was, and I said, I would like for you to tell me what happened the day Tim came to rent the rider truck.
And he said, you mean the day Tim and his friend came? And I said, tim wasn’t by himself? He said, no, ma’am. The FBI has been designated by President Clinton as the lead federal agency in this investigation. Incredibly enough, there remains an extra unidentified leg that was found in the rubble. Oklahoma State medical examiner Fred Jordan testified in court, we had eight people with traumatically amputated left legs.
However, we have nine left legs. We have one leg too many. Stephen Jones, McVeigh’s defense attorney, detailed in his book, Others unknown, the significance of this extra leg. Former chief pathologist for Northern Ireland, T. K. Marshall, performed over 2500 autopsies on bombing victims and told Jones that in all the years in Ireland, we identified every innocent person that was killed, there was never an unknown victim. The FBI collected 1034 fingerprints during their investigation, but an agent admitted under oath that these prints were not run through the national fingerprint database.
Nikki Deutschmann was the jury four person for the federal trial of Terry Nichols. I think that the government perhaps really dropped the ball. I think that there were a large number of sightings right around before, the week before and the days and months after the bombing, and sketches of people that were recognizable in this trial. There even was a photograph of someone who may have been involved with mixing the bomb, with putting the bomb together.
And that person, it was a photograph from a newspaper. Obviously, that person’s identity is known. I think there are other people out there. And decisions were probably made very early on that Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols were who they were looking for, and the same sort of resources were not used to try to find out who else might be involved. Well, in those first couple of days, especially that first day of the Oklahoma City bombing, there was immediate information that came out about what caused the bombing, witnesses on the scene of the crime, things such as that.
And it changed very significantly, drastically as the day went by and the next several days went by. That caused a lot of questions in people’s minds about, well, what really happened here. The reason I started doubting the official story that was coming out, you have to understand that the local media were doing a good job the first day. Local law enforcement maybe also, I believe, was doing a good job.
But once the feds came in, things started changing. The police and emergency crews are talking about moving us back because of the danger of a possibility of another explosion. I think he said, another bomb. Oh, my God, another bomb. The fire crews and the various emergency crews are trying to get in. But we keep getting reports that there may be other devices in the area, and they will use that trailer.
You see the bucket on the back there? Sort of. This is how they would transport the explosive device away from this populated area to try to do something with it. There were two unexploded devices discovered subsequent to the initial explosion. A second bomb was found on the east side of that building. A bomb squad is on the scene. That second bomb has not exploded. We don’t know quite the status yet if they’ve managed to diffuse it, but it has been confirmed.
There have been reports of two explosive devices, unexploded explosive devices. Two different explosive devices were found in addition to the one that went off just an hour after the initial explosion. Downtown Oklahoma City was shaken up again with word of another bomb, or maybe two. They’ve had to back off a couple of times because they found, I guess, two or three other bombs, or at least explosive devices down there, that they’ve had to diffuse the shutdown operation for about 2030 minutes because of that.
And that was very frustrating because we were right at the point where we had people and we had to leave them. The first bomb that was in the federal building did go off. It did the damage that you see right there. The second explosive was found and diffused. The Oklahoma City bombing was one of the first big stories that I covered. And it was just shocking to know it was an inside job and to know that the media was involved in the COVID up and that the mainstream television stations there in Oklahoma City knew what had really happened.
And then years later, I was able to actually talk to some of those reporters, and they discussed how they were told to shut up. I mean, it just showed how people were so willing to be part of the COVID up just because the truth was so frightening. And that’s really why we become so enslaved, is that we just give in to the lies. And they start little, but they get bigger and bigger.
It’s amazing when everyone who can see an event and that gets changed into something else simply because the media presents it that way. That means the media is complicit in the COVID up. They’re not hapless. They’re not ignorant. How come I can figure this out and CNN can’t? The controlled, corporate mainstream media is essential to a cover up like Oklahoma City being successful. And that’s why the mainstream media has lost so much credibility, because all over the nation, people have seen things like Oklahoma City over and over again.
Where you see the live footage, you see them removing the bombs. You see the governor admitting it. And then later the media says, we never said that. That’s what conspiracy theorists say. At first, the media reported on some of these bothersome pieces of evidence that they became little more than parrots for the Justice Department as the official story was railroaded into the public mind. Been listening to Mike McCurry, President Clinton spokesperson at the White House.
Apparently at this point we know a little bit more than the White House does because we have been able to confirm that it was a car explosion. That word coming to us from Mayor Ron Norick earlier. 1200 pounds of explosives parked out in front of a federal building. And ATF has confirmed that as well. Who’s going to investigate the investigators? Who’s going to investigate the prosecutors? Who’s going to hold them accountable? Who’s going to hold us public officials accountable? And that’s all we’re trying to do here in addition to trying to find the truth.
Well, initially that morning, all the media that was downtown there reporting were reporting the truth. They reported the truth about the unexploded bombs, undetinated bombs being removed, the building. By afternoon, things began to ease a little bit. You could sense a difference. And by the next day, everybody but channel four had changed their story completely. One local station in Oklahoma City, KFR TV, did perform its duty by reporting on McVeigh’s accomplices, the evidence of prior warnings, and many other aspects of the case.
The New York Times Broadcasting Company purchased KFOR a year after the bombing. The programming director was fired. The lead journalist on the bombing, Jaina Davis, was let go. And all reporting that contradicted the government vanished. The victims turned to the government with their questions, expecting the full truth to come out. This was not to be. Those who asked too many questions or knew too much were discouraged from their efforts in other ways.
Debbie Nakanashi, who was with the post office, she was told not to talk to anybody about that. Her job had been threatened to her. She went to the union over it, then they apologized. But she and I went on a number of occasions to Washington, DC. We tried to see every senator and every congressman from Oklahoma. Not one would give us an interview. I was told by an agent, an FBI agent, that due to comments that I’d made, that people like me often ended up dead.
And he’d be careful what I said if I was him. And in the way that he put it forth, I felt like it was a threat. I wrote letters to Janet Reno when she was the United States attorney general. I wrote Louis Free, who was over the FBI at that time. I wrote Senator Oren Hatch. I wrote everybody I could think of asking for help. Nothing was done.
When the government decided that the investigation was over, a federal grand jury was empanelled to hand down indictments. This is usually a straightforward process, but the federal prosecutors were not counting on one grand juror, Hoppy Heidelberg, to actually ask questions of his own. My name is Hoppy Heidelberg, and I served on the federal grand jury that was supposed to investigate the murrabile embalming in Oklahoma City back in 1995.
Actually, the grand jury has two responsibilities that are outlined in this book. The first one says the grand jury operates as a sword, authorizing the government’s prosecution of suspected criminals and also as a shield, protecting citizens from unwarranted or inappropriate prosecutions. That’s not something the media or the government ever points out, but that was actually the reason for a grand jury in the first place, to protect citizens from the Crown, who at the time had a habit of prosecuting their political enemies or anybody they chose for any reason.
The grand jury, our grand jury that was supposed to be calling witnesses, were not allowed to call any. And it was my letter to the judge telling him that and demanding that we be allowed to call witnesses that got me excused from the grand jury. What you will hear and what they say that’s a lie, is that the grand jury foreman is the only one that has the right to do this or that.
And that’s not true. According to the book, any member can demand anything he wants for any reason, can be just his personal opinion. It can be from information he gets. Of course, they tell us, well, you can’t watch tv or you can’t read the paper. That’s nonsense. That’s nonsense. Grand jurors need to be well informed if they’re going to do their job properly. See, we were never allowed to see the photo evidence from the cameras on the Murray building that would have shown the truck being parked and the people who got out of the truck.
That’s all on tape. And we were authorized to see all of that, but we weren’t allowed to see it. And in fact, nobody’s been allowed to see it. All those tapes have been kept under wraps for 15 years. It was just too important, just too important to the american people to know what happened there for me to keep quiet because nobody else was going to speak up. The other grand jurors were petrified because they observed on a daily basis the kind of intimidation tactics that were used by the Department of Justice attorneys to tempt, to keep me under control.
And when they found out about the FBI visits to my home, they really shook him up. Now they’re even scared to talk to him in a men’s room. Poppy will never be silenced. In 1998, he ran as an independent candidate for governor of Oklahoma, intent on reopening the investigation into the bombing. After being excluded from the gubernatorial debate, Hoppy walked on stage to ask Governor Frank Keating why.
Thank you, audience. Mr. Jenkins, your follow up. Now, two years after the bombing, the trial of Tim McVeigh began in Denver, Colorado. The trial had been moved out of Oklahoma. Despite the constitutional mandate that federal crimes must be tried in the district in which they occurred, the truth seekers were assured that all of their questions would be answered in court. The trial was not handled appropriately, was handled in a way that was very prejudiced against the defendants.
If you look at what judge mates did concerning prejudicing the jury toward the people that were being prosecuted, by two weeks, he showed them pictures of dead babies and blood and guts, which is all, basically, in my understanding of the law, illegal to prejudice the jury like that. Yet they did that kind of stuff apparently on purpose. I was told by the US attorney that if I attended the trials in Denver, that all of my questions would be answered.
I gave up everything I had, my apartment and everything, and I moved to Denver, and I attended both trials. And by the time Terry Nichols trial was over, I had more questions and no answers. The trial lasted three weeks. In contrast, the OJ Simpson trial in 1995 had lasted nine months. The jury deliberated for less than 24 hours and sentenced Tim McVeigh to death. McVeigh waived all his appeals and was fast tracked to be the first federal prisoner executed in decades.
Just before his execution date, the FBI announced that they had withheld thousands of pages of documents that could have influenced his trial, which led to a month long stay of execution. I mean, they weren’t able to get thousands, at least thousands, probably a lot more than that of documents from the FBI and the DOJ. They just wouldn’t turn them over. On June 11, 2001, Tim McVeigh was put to death by lethal injection at the federal death row in Terhode, Indiana.
He left no message and was quickly cremated without an autopsy being performed on his body. Contrary to the standard procedure for executed prisoners, Terry Nichols was tried and found guilty in a separate trial and received a life sentence without the possibility of parole in 2004. Terry Nichols was then tried in Oklahoma on state murder charges in the prosecutor’s hope of imposing a death sentence. Nichols was found guilty, but a jury once again refused to execute him.
Those jurors did the best job they could with the case that was presented to them. I think what their statement says is they knew there’s something wrong and somebody had some involvement here. They also, as they have said themselves that there were lies, there were mistruths, there were bungling, there was arrogance, there was things that were not pursued like the other John Doe’s. And so they felt like there was a reasonable doubt.
Michael, 40 A, became a witness for the federal prosecutors, received a ten year sentence, and was released in 2006 directly into the witness protection program. Justice, the government announced, had been served, and I know tomorrow be the same cause he got a life. As the government proclaimed justice for all impacted by the bombing, the people back in Oklahoma still sought the truth and knew now they were on their own.
The list of questions continued to grow due to the mysterious death of Oklahoma City police officer Sergeant Terrence Yeki. Jerry Yeki, unlike the rest of Oklahoma, may have known too much. Officer Yaki was just over 30 years old at the time of the bombing. And the morning of the bombing, he was issuing a traffic ticket near the Civic center music hall, which is about four blocks to the west of where the Murray building sit.
He dropped the ticket book, let the woman go, and says, I have to obviously attend other things. He heard the multiple blasts coming from the Murray building, sped up there in his black and white squad car, and immediately started pulling out the first of eight people. Mr. Tom hall, being the first former employee of the GSA. Tom, to this day, in fact, I talked to him a couple weeks ago, still has the utmost respect for Officer Yeki.
He literally saved his life. Officer Yeki, being an astute police officer for seven years, veteran of the Oklahoma City Police Department, knew that something was horribly wrong. He tried to get the official storyline out through his commanding officers at the Oklahoma City Police Department, through his family, through his ex wife. And he chose to withhold some of the storyline because he was in fear of for his family and his wife and his two young daughters at the time.
What we found out between the hours of 08:00 a. m. And 01:00 p. m. That morning, he was brutally murdered a mile and a half from the front gate of the Arena Penitentiary. From that moment that his body was found, we know that the crime scene was destroyed. There were space shovels that were used to turn over the crime scene, ballistics, any gunpowder residue, anything that had to do with his death.
Was completely destroyed. It was corrupted. He started having problems with not only at work, but his apartment. Got broke into, his car got broke into. Things were stolen out of his house. He had accumulated reports, evidence, I don’t know what all, but he was going to take it out to a mini storage in El Reno, and he left. One night he told a friend of his that they were going to go out to dinner.
He says, I got to run out and put some stuff in many storage. And as soon as I shake these feds that are following me, I’ll be back and we’ll go to dinner. He never came back. Instead, he was found the next day by canadian county sheriff’s deputy. Well, they found his car first. Then they found him in a field near the El Reno penitentiary. The damage to his body was obviously a torture homicide.
It was obvious. But what intrigued me the most, that he had several cuts on both of his wrists, inside both elbows, both jugular veins. He’d been beaten. He had ligature marks around his neck. He had handcuffed marks on his hands, on his wrists. And he had a small caliber bullet wound that started above on the right hand side of his temple and exited low on his cheek with no powder burns.
The day of his death, when my daughter called me, I left work, went to El Reno to help because I could hear the seriousness in her voice, that she was getting upset. Why would the police be looking, calling her, looking for Terrence? And when we went to the apartment where he lived, the manager there stated to us, well, why are you looking for him? The police have already been here and taken his cruiser.
I’m not sure what was going on. It was strange. And about 10:00 at night, I had put my grandkids to bed. The phone rang. And when I picked the phone up, I could hear my daughter screaming in the background. And I assumed something bad had happened, but I didn’t think death. And my son said, mom, they found Terry. He’s dead. One of the things that surprised me was that there was no autopsy performed.
The other thing that really bothered me was we were being told that Terry was high on drugs and drunk. And of course, the medical examiner’s office did a report on Terry and his injuries, which was really not an autopsy, but just an overview. And it showed that his vac was zero, meaning no blood alcohol content. There was no drugs in his system. It bothered me that they didn’t treat Terry like police officer like it was.
He was a good guy. And he never said to us that, you know, I need help. Not to me or not to his sisters. I think it’s only fair that we know as Terrence’s family members what happened. Officer Yeki’s official cause of death was suicide, and that was actually laid out in the medical examiner’s report at the Oklahoma state medical office. Examiner’s office. We’ve since were able to retrieve that record.
What we found out, though, is that, number one, the crime scene was corrupted, went completely in the face of a proper investigative procedure. The extent and the amount of the number of wounds on his body clearly shows that he couldn’t commit suicide physically and logistically. You just can’t do that to yourself. Terry also, we knew, was anemic. He would not have been able to traverse over half a mile from where his car was to where his body was found and not have passed out.
His heart would have literally given out. He wouldn’t have had enough blood pressure in his body to survive. The car was locked, the windows rolled out. The keys were in the console. There was a bloody knife in the glove box. You don’t stab yourself 13 times and have superficial wounds along your arms and chest and your upper neck and walk a half a mile and decide to die next to a tree.
Being the family of an officer, I expected some kind of care and consideration for us being the family of Terrence. There was another detective by the name of Mullinex that told my daughter that she looked at too many movies and she needed to see a psychiatrist. When we were asking questions, wanting to know about his belonging, wanting to know about things that happened during the course of where they say they found my son.
And I don’t think this was very kind of them and considerate of us being family, that they should have talked to us like that, but they did. And as far as I’m concerned, that made me more suspicious of what happened to my son. The brutal torture and murder of Terry Yeki served not only to silence his voice, but the voices of other first responders who may have seen something that would shed light on what really happened.
Those who keep their silence know exactly what Terry saw, but he will never be forgotten by those who ask questions and demand answers. In the absence of official action, a group of concerned citizens decided to form their own investigative panel, the OKBIC, better known as the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee. Their goal was to compile enough evidence that would attract attention by the media and the government and therefore compel a more thorough investigation.
Entirely funded by donations and their own money. The OKBIC took affidavits, recorded eyewitness testimony and paid for private investigators to chase down leads. I’m Charles Key, state representative in Oklahoma City, and I formed the Oklahoma bombing Investigation committee. I had a number of constituents come to me and other people that started raising their own questions about the investigation, what direction it was going, because it seemed like there was an effort to try to change that initial report of what took place on the first day of the bombing.
As the days and weeks went by, we looked at what state Representative Charles Key did. He went on the facts. He went on the information the grand jury gleaned, and clearly there was complete prior knowledge. I observed the fact that Charles Key seemed to be standing up for the truth in some areas that I felt like was not being dealt with appropriately by authorities. The Oklahoma bombing investigation committee was formed for one purpose, and that’s to obtain the truth.
First. I thought, that’s just another politician trying to get a little publicity. Then when I met them, met Charles Key and Colonel Wallace and Dale Phillips found out that they were for real, and they asked me if I would join them, and I agreed to join them. I think Charles Key’s work is absolutely outstanding, and it continues to be, even to this day. We’re looking at, what, 16 years on, almost coming this April.
Charles took a lot of risks when we saw what was going on with the investigation and that it was trying to move away from the early facts that were presented by law enforcement, by the media. We pursued establishing a county grand jury in Oklahoma county, something unique to Oklahoma and just a few other states in the country that allow citizens, grand juries to be empaneled to investigate things such as this.
The committee meetings were very serious. We fought the government at every level, all the way through to the Supreme Court of the state. We had a lot of people that came forward and brought us a lot of information that we wouldn’t have gotten any other way. We were pursuing all the information that we could get our hands on about the bombing, and we were trying to get a congressional investigation of the bombing.
I was in awe at the amount of effort that they put in in that first six and a half years before the book was released. And then they had the book released, come out to the general public three weeks before 911 occurred, and to see every single obstacle that was thrown in their face, from all the way from the news media to financial to emotional interviewing over 329 victims, family members and survivors.
And these people were consistently basically saying, I am not going to fail. I’m not going to quit. I want the truth to come out on this. So we formed the Oklahoma county grand jury to have essentially a citizens investigation into the Oklahoma bombing. And that caused us to have to gather a number of signatures from citizens of Oklahoma county, which we did. We got, I don’t know, 11,000, 12,000 signatures.
We only were required 5000. And by getting all those signatures, getting them validated and everything that we then got x amount of money, a lot of money and the opportunity to set up a grand jury. Well, they turned the grand jury over to our enemy, which was Bob Macy and basically gave him the money. And then he proceeded to investigate us. I wrote a letter to the district attorney.
Macy told him what I had seen and that I wanted to testify in the grand jury. I got a letter back from him telling me that the grand jury did not want to hear anything I had to say about the bombing. After the Oklahoma county grand jury was actually initially formed then there were some efforts to try to stop that by the Oklahoma County DA and others. And at that time, we organized ourselves in a more formal way.
We hired private investigators and some others to help us put the information that we had gathered together in a form that we could present to that county grand jury. Four or five, six months into the investigation we started suspecting that our phones were tapped. And I don’t remember how we got the information. We’re given a number that we could dial and it would either confirm or that were tapped or that they weren’t.
And we dial this number, it would confirm it. We didn’t really have anything to hide. So it didn’t really make that much difference. It didn’t affect our investigation too much. I think as we finalized our work, as we got to the end, as that grand jury was empanelled and as we put this report together we had a lot of media that was waiting for this report. They were ready to give it some significant coverage.
And our report came back from the book publisher about two weeks before 911. And one of the things that we said and some others said during that time frame as before and after 911 that the reason that we did this is because if you don’t ask the questions and you don’t hold government accountable in everything that it does, not just bombings like this, but everything then you’ll have the same mistakes happen again and they will get worse as time goes on.
The official story dictated that the rider truck packed with 1200 pounds of ammonium nitrate fertilizer and fuel oil called anfo detonated on the northeast side of the building and was responsible for all the damage that hypothesis later evolved into 4800 pounds of Anfo, then up to 7000 pounds of fertilizer and nitromethane. In fact, the only consistent theme of the official narrative is its inconsistency. The truck bomb just delivers an air blast.
That’s all it does. It’s called an air blast. When you’ve got eight foot thick columns of concrete filled with rebar the size of your arm, an air blast probably won’t even break one. It will break windows. That’s about it. But some of these columns were ripped up, shredded, tossed around, because a truck bomb is going to release its energy simultaneously in every direction. And so the damage pattern to the building or whatever structure it’s parked in front of and intended to blow up, if it’s a big enough big structure, bigger than truck bomb can take out, the damage pattern is going to be roughly a semicircle.
Now, I looked at the building. I was on a bomb squad for a couple of years. I’ve worked some bombings. And I looked at the building, and I knew that the damage done to that building couldn’t have come from a truck with info in it. A blast does not turn corners. And it did look like that there was secondary explosion or a more intense explosion towards the east side of the building.
Explosion or that portion of the explosion did basically clear everything from the front of the building to the south wall. The Oklahoma bombing Investigation committee was presented with evidence that explosives planted inside the building were responsible for the collapse and most of the casualties. In this rarely seen footage taken by the Oklahoma County Sheriff’s office minutes after the bombing, the north side parking lot is shown littered with paper and debris from inside the Murray building.
How did this volume of paper transport itself against the blast wave of the truck bomb and magically appear on the other side of the street? And then we look at the fact that you have bombs clearly inside the building. It’s blown out across the street, pieces of it on top of buildings, the opposite direction that the rubble should have gone in if there was truly this high powered truck bomb out front that caused all the damage.
And I can tell you that the building was blown from the inside because all the debris was piled up against the general record building clear across the parking lot. In fact, several witnesses report that bombs were going off in the building before the truck bomb exploded outside. First thing that I experienced, I was sitting there signing some papers for Ruth. I felt the building start shaking and never had anything like that happen before.
And I just kind of froze. And then the lights went out. It didn’t get totally dark because the whole front of the building was glass. The lights went out, and then the debris started falling on my desk. And then something hit me in the back of the head and knocked me out before the truck bomb went off. What that tells you is that there were other explosive devices in the building that actually brought the building down.
The building started to sway back and forth. It was going back and forth. And I had sat there and I thought, no, it doesn’t feel like an earthquake. I was kind of stunned. And then about seven or 8 seconds later, I felt this explosion. And you could actually feel the concrete floor actually rising from underneath you. You could feel it coming up from the inside. It was like slow motion.
We crawled under before the glass started coming, and everything seemed to roll in on us. I thought it was an earthquake when it started. It was just kind of a shake. And then everything started going like this. And I dove under the desk, and then all the glass came in and the ceilings came down. Three seismographs at the University of Oklahoma, the omniplex science Museum, and in Franklin, Oklahoma, recorded a seismic event lasting eight to 10 seconds.
That suggests the possibility of two blasts. There were two energetic spikes. One was the truck bomb, and the second spike was explained away as air blasts pushing on the ground or falling debris. But a representative of the Oklahoma Geological Survey stated for the record that this spike was not the result of floors collapsing and that the last 5 seconds of ground motion did not have air blast associated with it.
The Kobar tower’s bombing in 1996 in Saudi Arabia killed 19 U. S. Airmen. That bomb was several times larger than the bomb supposed to have been used in Oklahoma. It left a huge 85 foot crater. Yet there was no major structural damage on this simple slab building. What happened in Oklahoma City to cause the major horizontal support beam to fail? In the complete failure of these two series of columns on the east side of the building, this collapse was responsible for most of the casualties.
The crater, when seen from above, is offset from the major structural damage in the building. For some reason, the official story has inflated the size of this crater. The bomb, at least I’ve seen where the reports from the different agencies have said the bomb extended from the cab to the tail of the truck. And one of the things that really bothers me about that is the rear axle from the truck went down and collided with the car in front of the regency tower about a block and a half away.
The front axle of the truck was hurled eastbound and struck a parking meter about a block and a halfway in front of the YMCA building. The bomb was that big that that rear axle would have been driven into the crater. And instead of being with apart as they were, and the truck bomb itself, to me, had to be between the two axles. It could not have been over that rear axle.
I was surprised from even the FEMA report and the published reports that nobody could determine what the size of the crater was. And that’s one of the things I brought up. The grand jury investigation is that the crater was half the size that they had proposed in the FEMA report. The crater had a five gallon bucket setting next to it after they had it uncovered. And you could extrapolate from the size of that bucket to the size of the hole as to what the size of the crater was.
And it was approximately 16ft across. August 24, 1970. It was a Monday morning. Carlton Armstrong, his brother Dwight, and two other perpetrators, Leo, Burt and one other individual, drove up to the side of the sterling hall. It was a math research building. Dow Chemical had their offices there. It was federal government as well as the university faculty that worked there. And they had drove a 40 con align van stolen from a math professor, laden with four metal drums, 50 gallon drums full of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil.
The sterling hall bombing consisted of 2000 pounds of AnFo, and it was set off right next to the building. The windows were blown in, the facade was damaged, but there was no structural damage. In fact, the army MAF lab was closed for only one day. In Oklahoma City, a similar ANFO bomb detonated 15ft away from a much more robust structure and inflicted massive structural damage. What that case did was it was a bellwether.
It set a standard for us to look at. It says, okay, if ANFO was in fact used in Oklahoma City, why did it not have the characteristics of what occurred in Madison? Furthermore, the signature of an ANFO explosion is nitric oxide, innoxious gas. There was certainly no fertilizer bomb. We know that because there was no ammonia gas in there in every other explosion. And some students blew up and did make an ammonium nitrate bomb.
But everybody who rested that building after explosion had to be hospitalized. If you ever smelled ammonia strongly and you’re talking about going into a horse trade or something like that, that’s not strong, but that’ll gag you. It will sear your lungs. I mean, everybody that smelled that ammonia gas after the ammonium nitrate bomb at that university had to be hospitalized. It would have been 30 minutes or an hour, depending on how hard the wind was blowing before anybody could have even approached the MeR building if there had been an ammonium nitrate bomb.
There were other search and rescue personnel that were down there immediately from St. Anthony’s Hospital nearby, as well as office employees from the surrounding offices. They would have approached the crime scene and buckled over almost immediately, vomiting violently. If there was ammonium nitrate gas. There wasn’t. I was watching General Parton, the former head of air force weapons development, point out that the building was blown out, that it wasn’t the signature of an ammonium nitrate fertilizer bomb, that there’d been a cover up.
The damaged Murray building drew the attention of retired General Benton K. Parton, former director of the Air Force Armaments Laboratory. General Parton spent his career conducting bomb damage analysis with explosives for the military. General Parton came to Oklahoma City, examined the available evidence, and rendered a conclusion far different than the story being pandered by the government and media. I spent over 30 years in the Air Force. Most of that was in research and development.
I went to a two year graduate program, eight quarters of armament engineering graduates, first course that was ever set up. And after that, I worked at the ballistic research laboratories at Aberdeen, which was two years of hands on work designing, developing continuous rod warriors for the Boulemart vessel, among other weapons systems. Well, the truck bomb, even though it was fairly massive, was somewhat removed from some of the structures that were damaged.
They clearly had some, what you call Busant’s damage, where the blast pressure was way above what you would expect to get from the truck at that distance. Busant’s damage is that caused by an explosive whose blast wave is powerful enough to shatter and destroy the material affected. The problem with the failed columns at the Murray building is, at that distance, the air blast from AnFO bomb would have been ten times less powerful than what was needed to dissolve the concrete and cut the rebar.
Those columns, had they failed due to airblast, should have broken with sharp chunks of concrete connected by rebar, not sheared off at critical points. Response damage indicates contact explosives placed directly on the beams. Even more perplexing is the total collapse of column b three, which caused the floors on the east side to pancake onto one another. The building was gutted to within feet of the other side. Column B four, closer to the truck bomb, is completely intact.
Yet we are supposed to believe that a blast wave traveled through b four, leaving the sheet rock almost untouched and completely destroyed the column farther away. And most of the front columns were destroyed when the supporting header beam failed. But the cause of failure supposedly being airblast should have thrown it into the building. Instead, it fell straight down and rolled towards the crater. General Parton’s report was conclusive.
The Murrow federal building was not destroyed by one sold truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building. Many independent experts concurred with the Parton report. Sam Cohen, inventor of the neutron bomb, issued this statement. I believe that the demolition charges in the building that were placed inside at certain key concrete columns did the primary damage to the Murray federal building.
It would have been absolutely impossible and against the laws of nature for a truck full of fertilizer and oil, no matter how much was used to bring the building down. The FBI put all their weight behind the lone bomber theory and tailored the evidence to fit that scenario. Dr. Frederick Whitehurst, a supervisor at the FBI crime lab, turned whistleblower over the bureau’s handling of the evidence in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Released a report today condemning the FBI crime lab for mishandling evidence and for slanting its analysis. The report is expected to specifically criticize the lab’s handling of the Oklahoma City and World Trade center bombing cases. It was the allegations of FBI whistleblower Frederick Whitehurst that sparked that investigation. Forced to resign, Dr. Whitehurst testified in Terry Nichols trial that a fellow FBI chemist had changed his findings and lied under oath.
After meeting with federal prosecutors, the office of the inspector general, or OIG, investigated Whitehurst charges and issued a report which concluded that the FBI crime lab had improperly identified the characteristics of AnFO, the weight of the bomb, the detonation system, and even what kind of explosive was used. Oklahoma City case will get a lot of attention because what the inspector general goes on to at some length to say in his analysis of agent testimony in some of the pretrial stages is that one agent in particular made sort of seat of the pants estimates about the Oklahoma City bomb, but then couched them in his reports, in his written reports as being the result of scientific evidence.
The FBI laboratory has billed itself for many, many years as the premier forensic laboratory in the world. The people that did the things they did knew doggone well what they were doing. The right armament laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base conducted a series of explosive tests to compare their data to the bombing in Oklahoma. The Eglin test structure was a simple three story concrete slab building with no support columns.
The engineers at Eglin tried to recreate the truck bomb as McVeigh and the FBI claimed it was constructed with 4000 pounds of anfil hacked into a dozen barrels. But they found that each barrel acted as a separate bomb, canceling out the explosive force of each other and pushing most of the blast upwards. So they constructed a single more powerful bomb and exploded it outside the target building to test the effects of airblast.
They found that their weaker test structure suffered less damage from a more powerful bomb than was supposedly used at Oklahoma City. The report for the Wright laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base concluded the damage at the Murrow federal building is not the result of the truck bomb itself. Rather, due to other factors such as locally placed charges within the building, the evidence is undeniable. Despite the pleas of the official story that the wright of truck bomb was not the sole cause of destruction that day.
That there were bombs placed inside the building which caused the brunt of casualties as floors collapsed on helpless victims and the rescuers apparently had to abandon the people they were trying to rescue temporarily. Were you there a minute ago when somebody yelled they thought they’d see a second device? Yes, sir. We were close to the parking area trying to recover a victim as rescuers desperately tried to free the victims from the rubble.
Several evacuations of the site due to reports of other bombs impeded these efforts. At some point, we got to the corner of Fifth and I believe it was Robinson right there at the corner of the Murray building. And we heard, second bomb. Somebody yelled, second bomb. I stopped. I turned around, people were running past me and I just kind of watched what was unfolding. Of course, nothing ever did happen.
The Oklahoma Highway Patrol reported that another explosive device was found. The Oklahoma City Fire Department confirmed that. Defense Department logs recorded that a second bomb was disarmed. A third bomb was evacuated. The explosive that they disarmed last night was even larger. Who planted these bombs and had access to the Murray building before the bombing? A deputy sheriff recorded this footage during one of the evacuations. Here the ATF is seeing pulling out several weapons and blocks of what appeared to be plastic explosive.
Was this the source of the bomb scare? Or did this ordinance come from an illegal armory that witnesses report the ATF kept in the Murray building? The ATF denies they kept any weapons or explosives in the building. Day 1, hour two of the bombing. The most significant event that happened is when they said they found other bombs in the building. The second most significant event was that we moved everybody back and held them back.
There were still people alive trapped in the building, but they came in with two trucks and backed them up. To the Murray building, and a bunch of these guys dressed in blue jackets with no letters on the back started taking boxes of files out and putting them on this truck. We were told by a blonde female agent that there were files so serious the government, that until those files were relocated, there would not be any recovery effort.
If you remember the Whitewater investigation in Arkansas, all the paperwork was stored in the Murray building. They had FBI agents over in the fields the west of the Murray building picking up paper almost all day long. And it was during this time that early in the investigation that I started receiving some various phone calls. One of them was a phone call from Little Rock, Arkansas. The guy said that he was a federal agent.
He was not an FBI agent, he was not ATF. But what he did say was during their investigation of the Clintons on all the drug running that went through and, you know, Lasseter’s ranch and all of that stuff that was going on at the time, during Iran contra, that those records, when Clinton went to Washington, were transferred from there to the Murray building because of the additional bomb threats or because the building was unstable and the firefighters couldn’t get to them.
So those are a lot of patients, I think, were lost that could have been saved. After rescue and recovery had been halted, the building was prepped for demolition, even though all the bodies had not been recovered. And despite the architect’s report that it could be rebuilt, the investigative team from the American Society of Civil Engineers was not allowed on site. The defense lawyers from McVeigh were able to visit the site one time, but even then, they were not allowed to view the crater.
They were going to halt on the 29 April. They were going to halt the recovery and prepare the building to be imploded. We went back in after the final demolition to relocate two victims that we knew that we had left and the possibility of a third victim, which we also located him. I don’t know why they were in such a rush. GSA was saying the building was unsafe and needed to be brought down.
A month after the bombing, the Alfred P. Murray federal building was completely demolished. With less than 200 pounds of explosives. The wreckage was buried under armed guard, and one can only think that certain officials breathed a sigh of relief as the outstanding counterpoint to the official story disappeared in a cloud of dust. Tidbits of truth about the Oklahoma City bombing would often come from the most unlikely of places.
Another strange and brutal murder, at first seemingly unrelated to the bombing, would set the stage for some of the most damning evidence that the government was withholding. From the public. My name is Jesse Trinidou. I’m an attorney from Salt Lake City, Utah. My brother, Kenneth Michael Trinidou, was murdered in the federal transfer center here in Oklahoma City in August of 1995. Kenny had a hard life. I’ve often thought about that and how he ended up the way he did.
He was an incredibly bright man, an incredible athlete. He set the national record in high school for the two mile run as a freshman. Went into the service, and like so many boys did during the Vietnam War, they come out to heroin addicts. He robbed banks or two banks to support that habit. He was caught and he pled guilty. He went and did his time. He was a very strong guy.
He wasn’t very big, but he was very tough. He was easy going, but he wouldn’t back down. So if you pushed him, you were going to get a fight. And it was a fight you were going to lose. We loved him and stood behind him, and he was a good man. Kenny was supposedly arrested for a probation violation and sent to Oklahoma City at the transfer center for a probation hearing.
We now know that that’s crap. I said to him, Kenny, what are you doing there? And he said, well, he sent me back here for a probation hearing. And we talked about getting my lawyer and the fact that we didn’t expect him to do more than a couple of months. And so my mother called me at work, it’s about seven in the morning, and told me that. And I couldn’t believe it, that Kenny supposedly killed himself because I had just spoken with him the night before.
There’s no way in hell he would have killed himself. This is not a guy who kills himself. I mean, his life is the best it’s ever been. I found out later that an autopsy had already been done. Now, the federal government didn’t want one done, but the state of OklaHoma required one for a death incarceration. So the federal government didn’t know that it was an autopsy done, did not want the autopsy done.
And the federal government went twice to the medical examiner’s office asking to have Kenny cremated. It took a week to get his body released and home. And I kept getting the runaround from the federal government. And finally I just screamed in the phone one day, why don’t you keep him? And when the body comes home, it’s totally made up, so you can’t see the wounds. He was beaten head to toe.
His skull was smashed in in three places. The soles of his feet had been beaten. You could see the fingerprint bruises on his arm where he’d been held. His throat was cut, and he’d been strangled. And the federal government said it was a suicide by hanging. When his body’s turned over to the medical examiner 2 hours later, he’s wearing nothing but boxer shorts. The government said they don’t know what happened to the clothes.
They cleaned the cell that morning, so the medical examiner can’t do an examination of it. And the medical examiner is not allowed into the cell for six months. And when he finally is allowed in, he does a test that’s called luminol that will reveal the presence of blood. And Fred Jordan told me that the cell lit up like a Christmas tree. The logbooks involving my brother disappeared, the ones that didn’t disappear.
The pages from the logbooks are missing. The crime scene photographs disappear. The negatives of the crime scene photographs disappear. The video camera supposedly malfunctions within an hour of death. He’d consumed the equivalent of 30 bottles of Coca Cola. And Dr. Jordan told me that caffeine is used in a lot of countries, like third world countries, to enhance pain under torture. And he also told me that the beatings on the soles of the feet were indicative of torture.
And I believe it was the FBI. I firmly believe that for a lot of reasons. Now, I didn’t start out believing that. I started out trusting them until I could see what they were doing. And they would come to me asking for information and then immediately go and destroy the evidence, threaten the witness, do everything they could to prevent the case from being made of murder. Information was coming into me.
People were leaking me stuff. They wanted me to know. They wouldn’t want me to know who they were. Late December of 95, early January 96, I get a phone call. The person won’t leave their name. The person said, your brother was killed by the FBI. They said it was an interrogation that went bad. It was a case of mistaken identity, that he fit a profile of people who are robbing banks to get money to attack the federal government.
Just before he was executed, I get a message from Tim McVeigh. And he told me, he said, when I saw your brother’s picture and heard what happened to him, I wanted you to know that I think the FBI killed him because they thought he was Richard McDuffie. Early on, the FBI had investigated the possibility that a string of bank robberies committed by what the media dubbed the Midwest bank robbers had financed the bombing.
Led by Peter Langen and Richard Lee Guthrie, aka Wild Bill. The gang called themselves the Aryan Republican army. The purpose of the robberies to finance a race war within the United States. Wild Bill closely resembled some of the John Doe number two sketches and had a tattoo similar to that reported by witnesses. In an affidavit, Peter Langen revealed that a member of the ARA had admitted to liabilities concerning the bombing.
Another member had threatened, we’re going to get them. We’re going to hit one of their buildings during the middle of the day. It’s going to be a federal building. Most of the ARA was arrested for bank robbery. Soon after the bombing. Peter Langen offered to provide information about his co conspirator’s relationship with McVeigh. This offer was refused. Then I got a call from a great guy, JD Cash.
He was a hunting and fishing reporter at the McCurton county news in eastern Oklahoma. He’d had friends that were killed in the bombing and family wounded. And one day he calls me up and he says, jesse, can I talk to you? I said, well, sure. Who are you? He says, I’m JD Cash. He says, I’m investigating the bombing in Oklahoma. And he said, I’m interested in your brother’s death.
Can I ask you some questions? And I said, yes. And JD said, well, do you have any tattoos? And I said, yes. He said, what and where? I said, a dragon tattoo on his left forearm. JD said, oh, my God. He said, are you sitting down? I said, yeah. He said, let me tell you this. He said, when your brother was picked up and sent to Oklahoma, the largest manhunt in american history was in place for John Doe, too.
We didn’t start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing case. We started out for justice for my brother. But every lead, every trail, every bit of important evidence has brought us to the Oklahoma City bombing. Now, the Freedom of Information act is an act Congress passes that says the government’s supposed to turn over documents and information to you that you request unless there’s a good reason not to, such as national security.
I bring the first FOIA suit saying I want all documents showing the link between the FBI and the southern poverty law center and the Oklahoma City bombing. And the FBI comes back and says there are no documents. They didn’t know that I’d been leaked. Two teletypes from FBI director Louis Free, then director Louis Free talking about Ellahem City, talking about informants, talking about the Southern Poverty Law center, talking about the fact that they had called Ellahim City two days before the bombing, asking for more help.
So I sue them and they walk into court and they tell the federal judge there’s no documents. Well, I file those two. The federal judge looks at them and says, you go back, you do a manual search, and you bring everything you find back in the court. Well, then they come back and plead with the judge, and they said, judge, we promised anonymity, and if we have to disclose these documents, it will reveal their names and their lives will be in jeopardy.
German citizen Andreas Carl Strassmeyer, aka Andy the German, came to the US in the early 90s professing neo nazi beliefs. He moved to Lom City, becoming their chief of security. He was reported by ATF informant Carol Howe and others to make threats about bombing federal buildings and assassinations of public officials. It is known that McVeigh called Lom City twice, looking for the mysterious German when members of the ARA were living with Strasmeyer.
McVeigh also attempted to reach Andy’s attorney, Kirk Lyons, by phone in the days before the bombing. We started looking at Strasmeyer real hard, and this guy didn’t add up either. He was on special assignment and disappears and shows up in Lom City. He came in through Texas and was placed in Lom City. Now, why Lom City? I mean, nobody in Germany, if I haven’t heard of Lom City and I live in Oklahoma, how is anybody in Germany here? This place? Well, evidently it was from a lawyer named Kirk Lyons.
I start putting dots together. I start finding out who these people are and who they know and who they run with and what their background and what their history is. And we create a picture from this. We have Strassmeyer doing all this paramilitary training, takes over as chief of security of a place that didn’t need any security, tells them they need to get rid of their shotguns and deer rifles and buy assault rifles and sks and aks and stuff like this, because they’re going to be the next waco.
Well, he scares them down there. They don’t know what to do. So they start gearing up for the last days of the book of Revelation. Strasmeyer is an interesting character. These documents we’ve gotten from the court, it’s my understanding he’s a german intelligence officer. He is apparently, after the bombing, taken out of the country by a former CIA operative, back to Germany. His visa, as I understand, had expired, and no one picked him up, and he smuggled out through Mexico and back to Germany.
I said, why wasn’t Andy Strasmeyer questioned? And one of the attorneys said, oh, we did question him. I said, yeah, but you waited until he got back to Germany, and then you called him up over the phone and asked him did he have anything to do with the bombing in Tulsa at Lady Godivas, which is a strip bar? One of the strippers, named Sean T. Said that McVeigh and Strasmeyer and several people had come in a few days before the bombing, and there was a rider truck parked out in the parking lot.
What we can say about Timothy McVeigh’s connections to Lohim City is that he called there at least twice, once on April 5 and once on April 17, that he checked into a motel within miles from there, that he received a speeding ticket within miles from there, and that he also calls out laying areas of Alohim city residents or acquaintances. So, very briefly, those are his provable connections to Alohim City.
The southern Poverty Law center, along with the FBI, kept informants in Lom City. One of these may have been Strasmeyer, the supposed neo Nazi known primarily for its work in litigating against hate groups and its outspoken chief counsel, Morris Dees. The SPLC has also become an informal intelligence gathering arm of the FBI and now the Department of Homeland Security. They share the same interest with the federal government in suppressing what they knew about prior knowledge.
By the FBI’s own admission, there were at least between four and six informants at Elohim City. I don’t know what the population Elohim City is, but sounds like whenever three people get together to talk about overthrowing the government, two of them are working for the government. Andy Strasmeyer’s roommate at Lom City was Michael Brescia, a young skinhead from Philadelphia who was also a member of the ARA. He was later convicted for bank robbery and also bore a striking resemblance to the John Doe number two sketches.
The FBI and the ATF had something to hide in eastern Oklahoma. Was McVeigh an Lom City? If so, what was he doing? My name is Josiah Stone, and I was on a spiritual journey. I integrated quite quickly into Elihim City, and I was able to identify with their concept of life because I was looking for some answers to my own life. I saw Timothy McVeigh at Elahim City eight weeks prior to the Oklahoma City bombing.
And I remember him distinctly because he has a distinct face, but he was smiling. He was smiling. He was happy as he could be. These people were loaded for bear, and they were ready, and they meant business. I believe the mindset at Elahim City was they didn’t give a damn whether they were implicated in it or not. What was interesting, and I think no one has paid any attention to it is that the CIA was involved at Elohim City.
Not only were they involved, but they had the spy satellites, the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I’d never heard of them before. They run the spy satellites. They had them over Elohim City. I think one of the things that may be most productive to getting with the truth was the discovery of an operation the FBI had in place since about 1991 called Patcon. P-A-T-C-O-N is short for patriot conspiracy.
It was an idea they had to infiltrate every militia group, every neo nazi group, every group critical of the government in the United States. The plan, apparently was to put informants in with all of these groups. And I think Elohim City was a patcon operation. I think McVeigh was obviously involved in it. Now, whether he was a target or an operative, I don’t know any more than I know whether the government intended to blow up the mural building.
But they knew it was going to happen, and they knew McVeigh was going to do it, and they don’t stop him. As alleged in David Hoffman’s book, the Oklahoma City bombing and the politics of terror, Strasmeyer first aroused suspicion that he was an undercover operative when he was caught in Texas entering a federal building at night with a key code. Did he have access to the murr building? Also, when we interviewed Jane Graham, who was a survivor, she said that when she went to work, it was either the day before or two days before, I don’t remember which.
She parked in the basement parking, and when she got out of her car and was walking across the parking garage, she saw three guys down there wearing coveralls and placing putty on the columns and stringing wire between the putty. Later, she picks out one of the guys from photographs and says, that’s him. And it was Andreas Strassmeyer. Strassmeyer was there listening, going over the plans. He was listening to everything.
He was what they were talking about, looking at place, pointing to things. But when they were talking, whatever they happened to finally be talking about. And when I was looking at him at that point, then he left and went over to the other side of the building so I wouldn’t keep watching him. The second man that was there, who appeared to be military, he’s the one that the man in charge told to put the stuff back in the car.
The second man obviously was taking orders from the first man because he had wire in his hands, which I thought was telephone wire. It’s that real light color thin wire. And he also had what appeared to be gray putty. Well, that’s exactly how you string composition c four with debt court. And the details are chilling. We’ll also focus on surveillance cameras, cameras that caught the bombing on tape, and maybe the men behind the bombing.
The news channel has new information tonight that there’s a chance surveillance tapes could be the smoking gun evidence. And we ask candid questions. In a rare face to face meeting with ATF officials close to the investigation, we learned that video collected from downtown businesses the morning of April 19 may someday be played before a jury. Officials won’t say who or what exactly is on the tape. However, numerous sources have confirmed the tapes exist and that they reveal more than one bomber.
And I said, I want two other things from the FBI. I want the tapes from the surveillance cameras leading up to the mural buildings on the day of the bombing on the different buildings around the mural building. And I want the tapes from the cameras on the mural building, because I had received a government document that said surveillance cameras show the bomb detonating three minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck.
Suspects. Not one, plural. The fight now is over. Those tapes, they don’t deny they exist. They just say, we can’t find them. Now, the notion that this is the biggest crime the bureau had ever investigated in that point in time, largest mass murder in american history, the two most important pieces of evidence you have, the arrest of McVeigh and the videotape showing McVeigh delivering the bomb to the Murray building.
You can’t find. Incredible. The enhanced photo shows a very distinct possibility of a man standing behind that truck. And the time sequence camera took additional photographs. So will those additional photographs show there was a man there? Will they show that he was alone? Will it show it was the suspect, Tim McVeigh? The additional photographs in the trial should help point that out. I think one of the things that stands out to me is the fact that during that first morning, while we were being held at bay from doing any recovery work, there were FBI agents, or at least men in FBI raid jackets, dismantling the video cameras off the side of the building.
I’m Charlie Rose. I’m with legend video transfer. And the FBI had employed me to duplicate a number of videos for them. Shortly after the Murray bombing, I was asked to duplicate approximately 400 tapes for the FBI. We had two FBI agents in the office. We had two studios set up for duplication. And each FBI agent was required to stay in the room with each of us that were in that room.
Really didn’t have the opportunity to sit back and watch the videos. There’s probably a lot to learn from the videos that they saw. Some of them are meaningless, but others could make some powerful impact on what actually happened. The government will not release the film that was in the video cameras on the front of the building. That would show whether I was accurate or not accurate. Of course, the other achilles heel is the videotapes of the building itself from the different surveillance cameras that no one’s seen.
If McVeigh was Lee Harvey McVeigh all by himself, the lone nut with the truck, then why don’t they show us the videotapes of the truck? Show us the videotapes of him getting out, or was there more than him in the truck? There were, like, 2022 films in the area that were confiscated by the FBI that would have shown the truck being pulled up, people getting out of the truck.
It would have shown what was going on at the time the explosions took place, and obviously they confiscated those. And it didn’t take much to figure out that the federal authorities weren’t trying to get to the truth. They seemed to be covering up things. Their first objective is to protect the agency, not to do what’s right, not to do justice, not to serve the american people. It’s to protect themselves, and they will do anything to do that.
Tim McVeigh was honorably discharged from the army three years before the bombing, leaving behind an exemplary service record. After a brief but intense combat experience in the Persian Gulf War, McVeigh tried out for the special forces. He pronounced himself unable to continue just a few days into the testing and returned to his unit, demoralized and some say a changed man through being able to see Timothy McVeigh’s letters to his defense team.
This is really behind the scenes stuff. Letters to his family, the memos that the defense team writes, which detail his mood from day to day, some of the medical reports while he’s in prison, which detail his thoughts. On the one hand, you have the McVeigh who’s mad at the government. On the other hand, you have the McVeigh who works for the government. The defense team themselves could never obtain his full military records.
And even though they were ordered by a judge, where does he turn up? He turns up in Buffalo, New York. And while he’s up there, he creates what’s known as a legend. Now, legend is when you go undercover or you get sheep dipped. Sheep dipped means you change your identity, you change who you work for and become a new person. Changes his personality up there, and all of a sudden, he’s ranting and raving about the Turner diaries and overthrowing the government and all this other nonsense to where they’re going, this guy’s a wacko.
He works up there six months, disappears. Where do we find him again? Going into militia meetings and doing the same thing, making sure he’s noticed. If you look at Lee Harvey Oswald and Tim McVeigh and other patsies, they’re very similar. They’re in the military. They’ve got security clearances. McVeigh wrote a letter to his sister, who turned it over to the FBI, in which he admits that he was selected out of special forces training to participate in covert operations, to help run drugs, to fund these operations and to assassinate.
Security risks. Mir Bravado. Or was McVeigh telling the truth? The FBI had put wiretaps on the McVeigh family’s phone after the bombing. And so I’m reading this conversation back and forth between his mother and his sister. There’s actually a few of these conversations where they say, we don’t understand why the FBI won’t listen to us and why the media is reporting that Timothy McVeigh washed out or dropped out of special forces.
They’re saying, no, we were told that he was still active in the military and that he was working on these covert missions. And he told his family, he told many others. Terry Nichols has signed an affidavit that McVeigh believed he was out there infiltrating militias and right wing groups and was preparing to set them up. And then, of course, he later learned that he was the guy that got set up.
If McVeigh was working for the government, what are we to make of the involvement of Terry Nichols, the only convicted accomplice? When Nichols had been convicted, but not given the death penalty in federal court and in state court, he could not be tried again. He wrote to attorney general, then Attorney General Ashcroft and said, come and see me. Come and see me, and I’ll tell you all about it.
In his declaration, Nichols stated that crucial parts of this terrorist attack remained hidden from the american people, especially the identities of others unknown, who collaborated with McVeigh in the bombing. McVeigh told Nichols that he had been recruited to perform undercover missions while in the US army. Always the good soldier, McVeigh revealed only one name in his chain of command. Larry Potts, assistant director of the FBI and the lead agent on the Ruby Ridge catastrophe in 1992, in which a us marshal and 14 year old Sam Weaver and his mother Vicky Weaver were killed.
Larry Potts later played an active role in the siege at Waco. McVeigh was angry at Potts for going off script and changing targets at the last minute. Another telling clue is on Tim McVeigh’s death certificate. Despite being officially out of the military for nine years and having held many different jobs since then, his listed occupation was US army. So why did Tim McVeigh take the fall for his accomplices? Perhaps the intervention of a known psychological warfare expert explains his silence till the end.
The record clearly shows that Dr. Jolly and west consulted Timothy McVeigh’s defense team. Dr. West had previously been psychiatrist and consulted for Patty Hurst, Saran Saran and Jack Ruby. We know that Jolly and West was considered to be the number two mind control expert in North America under only Dr. Ewing Cameron. Dr. West came under a lot of scrutiny during his time as chief of psychiatrist at UCLA because he was proposing using prisoners, the general community, poor people, minorities, as test subjects.
And then west career continues to flourish through the. He continues his research into hypnosis, branches out into terrorism and cults, even consulting and later writing about the Waco massacre. Dr. John Smith, that’s even his real name, was the protege of Dr. Jolly and West. Mr. Mind control. And he was McVeigh’s doctor in prison. Today it’s reported that he is one of the head psychiatrists, one of the head doctors at Guantanamo Bay.
The fact that you’ve got the proto, one of the fathers of modern mind control now being the head of psychiatry at Guantanamo Bay, which is an admitted mind control laboratory, that’s even mainstream news. I mean, you couldn’t make this up in a spy novel. Truth is always stranger than fiction, and it’s all hidden in plain view. Was the bombing the product of a sting gone out of control with Mcveigh taking the blame for a series of government failures? They kind of set up a sting operation, it appears to me, that went back.
They thought they would know the efforts of Strasmeier, Millar and others through Elohim City. I eventually talked to the Senate staffer, and he informed me that the Oklahoma City bombing was actually a sting operation that went wrong and that the effort to cover it up was because they were not able to stop the sting operation when it fell apart, in that they weren’t able to stop it right before it took place and proclaim to the public how great they were so they could get new funding for the ATF because the ATF had lost so much credibility due to the randy Weaver situation.
I don’t know if anybody will ever know. I know my brother was killed and often asked why. I know my brother was killed for information he didn’t have about the bombing, why the people in the Murrow building were killed. As I said, I don’t know if they intended it or it just got away from them. God, I hate to think that they did it on purpose. Perhaps it was a deliberate attack by a criminal element in this government using the reins of power to execute and cover up their crime.
In 2006, the American behavioral Scientist published the whole journal on this concept that’s being developed called a state crime against democracy, ScAD for short. There’s a recognition, a growing recognition among academia, that oftentimes people have not pursued culpability into elite crimes for the fear of being called a conspiracy theorist when there is a state crime against the people, what generally happens is that inquiries into these crimes tend to be highly controlled, tightly framed, and totally reliant on agencies who stand to be embarrassed by investigations.
It’s now been declassified that the Gulf of Tonka in 1964 to get the United States fully committed into the Vietnam War was a staged event. And those LBJ tapes have been released were days before. McNamara is telling him on the phone how they’re going to stage the event to get the United States into the war and what he would need to say at those press conferences. In early 1995, the entire United States was politically awakening.
The population was angry about Waco. They were angry about the United States losing its sovereignty and Bill Clinton trying to pass antisecond Amendment legislation. The federal government was forced to basically come in and create a crisis so they could demonize anyone who thought the government was too big or out of control. In 1994 and 1995, the Congress had tried unsuccessfully to pass their omnibus crime bill that expanded federal jurisdiction, that went after the Second Amendment, that was going to create all these new federal agencies to spy on the american people.
And that was one of the reasons that Oklahoma and other states were upset. They understood this was totally unconstitutional and a huge federal overreach, and it violated the 10th Amendment. But after the Oklahoma City bombing tragedy, suddenly they were able to rename it as the antiterrorism effective Death Penalty act. And that was able to sell through. Well, I think one of the things we’ll be seeing over the next few weeks and months are new legislation both to deal with domestic groups and international terrorism.
There’s already one bill, the Omnibus Terrorism act of 1995, that’s on the cards. One of the dangers is that we stepped a little bit too far. And this bill is very controversial. We see amazing parallels between Oklahoma City and 911, and we see it also being used as a mass conditioning tool to launch a new war in the case of Oklahoma City, a war against the american people, in the case of 911, a war against the Middle east, and an invasion for resources.
President Obama’s chief of staff, Roman Emanuel, recently said that you can never let a good crisis go to waste. This is an example of real politic taken to its extreme. We can quote the words of Robert Shapiro, former Clinton advisor, who recently wrote in an editorial that the only thing that can save the Obama administration is another terror attack like Oklahoma City or 911. So they think of us as expendable.
They’re willing to ride our ashes, stand in our graves to preserve their position. This is an example of the noble lie. And in the months and weeks building up to the Oklahoma City bombing, there was incredible conditioning on the news. These people are scared of the federal government. They’re terrorists. They’re going to kill you. They’re going to bomb you. You watch, it’s going to happen. And then, sure enough, it happened.
And then you look at the evidence and government and black op fingerprints are all over it. The establishment is going to have trouble in the future orchestrating further atrocities like Oklahoma City because the public is now really getting wives of their tricks. Oklahoma City is one of the best examples we’ve got where we can prove clearly that the official story is a fraud, that the government was involved and is using it to demonize good Americans.
April 19, 1995. We’ll live on in history as a reminder that we must all take an active role in holding our leaders accountable. Its legacy and lessons must be rooted in truth, not myth. The victims demand truth and justice. We have all witnessed firsthand the harsh reality of a government’s ability to manifest its will upon the people. And it’s up to the people to deprive governments of the power to commit crimes and profit from the lies.
It is every patriotic American’s duty, every man, woman and child’s responsibility to research the facts contained in this film, to verify for yourself that this information is true and that the rabbit hole goes even deeper. And then take action to bring the criminals that perpetrated this attack to justice. It. Wow. Interesting documentary. It’s been a minute since I’d seen that. So good information. Good information. Let me turn this thing off here.
Yeah, that was quite something. And keep in mind that that was done two years to the day after Waco. And I know they talked about that. But it was all done to demonize the militia movement and the patriots because at that point, you had a lot of people that were really angry at a lot of things that were going on in the federal government. I don’t know how many of you guys remember when Hillary was, Hillary was trying to push the Hillary care, and she was like one of the most active first ladies.
Her, they pulled her back. Need to, like. You need to tone it down there, sister. You need to tone it down. You are not the president. The president is, Bill, and you are the first lady. And the first lady is not involved in policy. And I very vividly remember that because she was taking, she was like an enormously active role in what was going on. And they were like, yes, no, not going to happen.
So I guess they were getting a tremendous amount of pushback from Americans. Yes. Trying to scare and manipulate people is much easier before the Internet. Well, yeah, because they had full control over all the information. If you wanted to get information about stuff like this, you had to go to a meeting. You had to go to, like, a John Burt society meeting. Right. Sorry. I was having some pepper jerky, and it’s a little spicy, so my nose is running a little bit.
I’m not sick. But anyway, prior to the Internet, if you wanted to get information on stuff like this, you had to go to where people would congregate. And those are generally, in fact, let me show you something real quick. Here’s. Let’s see here. Let it, here we go. Actually, that’s not a very good quality. Let me see here. Let, let’s see. Here it is. The Porterville presentation. I may just play this one day just for giggles because it’s freaking amazing.
Check this out. This is Bill Cooper’s Porterville presentation. And it’s literally like 11 hours. It’s, if you look at the time, I don’t know if you can see the time down here, but it’s 10 59, 51. So it’s 10 hours, 59 minutes and 51 seconds. And it was the Porterville presentation from 1997. And the point I’m making here is that this is where you would have to go.
Something like, this is where you would have to go if you wanted to get information on stuff. Maybe I’ll just make this as a video. Yeah, maybe I’ll upload it tonight and you guys can see it if you want to watch it tomorrow. But I want to fast forward here and see if it pans out and shows the crowd. I don’t think it’s going to but the point is that this would be something that you would have to do if you wanted to get information on stuff.
So I was going to show the Dr. John Coleman one on the committee of 300, and that’s also a pretty good one. It’s like an hour and a half long, but it didn’t really show the crowd. But anyway, I digress. You had the John Burch Society. That was a big deal. And then the John Burt Society got slandered. There was something that happened with the John Burt Society.
They were kind of looked upon as kind of kooky and wacko. And anyway, they still sadly kind of have that reputation, which is, in my opinion, grossly unwarranted and not really justified. John Birch society is, I mean, they were on top of it. Now, actually, some of the John Burch Society, they are actually are. I don’t agree with everything they do, but they were on it in terms of the anti communism stuff.
Robert, I believe it was Robert Welch, he was the head there for a, I mean, he was really on top of it in terms of being ardent anti communism and big government and whatnot. And the congressman from, a congressman from Georgia McDonald, I believe is his name, and he took over the head of the John Burt Society and he was on Korean Airlines flight seven, which was shot down over it was the sea of Japan after they had penetrated soviet airspace in 1983.
But, yeah, a lot of interesting stuff. A lot of interesting stuff. So I don’t know why I store all this information in my head. I don’t know. It’s just there and I love this kind of stuff and I have a pretty good memory. I don’t know. I don’t say that braggadociously. For me, it’s a positive affirmation thing. If you tell yourself you’re good at it, you’ll be good at it.
If you tell yourself you’re suck at it, you suck at it. It’s like, how many times do you say, oh, well, I suck at remembering names. Well, if you keep telling yourself you suck at remembering names, then you’re going to suck at remembering names. I mean, they’re just using it as a crutch. Don’t tell yourself that you suck. Tell yourself that you’re good. And it’s the old adage of whether you believe you can or believe you can’t.
You’re right. Anyway, I always give myself the positive affirmation that I have a good memory and it works because I believe I can. I believe I can remember stuff. Recollection is sometimes I struggle with recalling stuff, but it’s still in there. I remember it. But anyway, I digress enough of the positive mental attitude stuff. Some of you guys who came in a little bit late just so that you get to hear from me, somebody in one of the comments, I don’t remember if it was yesterday’s video or whatever, but they said that somebody first initially said that Nino is a shill, something about Nino, and because I’m hanging out with him that I’m showing my true colors.
And so then I said, you know what? I don’t really care what you guys think, and I’m going to hang out with who I want to hang out with. And then somebody came out in response to that. Somebody said something in the comment section which really just kind of set me off. So I voiced my opinion in a very strong, with very strong language. And I really genuinely don’t give a shit what anybody thinks about know, David is a very good friend of mine.
I know him really well. I know his girlfriend wife extraordinarily well. She and I are like brother and sister. And there’s just no way, anyway, is going to make me believe that Nino is compromised. Maybe somebody, maybe people don’t like the fact that he’s so close to Juan, but Juan calls him more than Nino calls. Um, Juan likes Nino for some. Just he really likes know I don’t have any control over.
I’m. I like don’t, you don’t see me having one on my show all the time. But that doesn’t mean that I don’t like Juan. I’ve talked to Juan multiple times on the phone. I know Juan well. I know people who know him well. And I get that he talks in circles and that some people don’t like his style, and that’s fine. You don’t need to like his style.
Personally, I think I’ve learned a lot from him. He has a wealth of knowledge, and I really don’t give a shit what people think about him. I like Juan. I like Nino. And there’s a few other people in the movement that I’m close with, that I’m fond of and I like. So it doesn’t mean I agree with them 100% of the time, but that’s what it is. You don’t like it.
You don’t got to watch it. You don’t got to watch me. So I don’t care what you guys, I don’t care what people think about me. I really don’t. I’ve got extraordinarily thick skin. You have to have thick skin to be this deep into this conspiracy stuff for as long as I have and to not let people’s opinions of me get me down because I’ve been doing this for a long time and clearly I have not allowed people’s opinions to impact me in a negative way to herd me back into society.
The crab in the bucket mentality. I’m the wrong guy. Yes. I don’t care. But anyway, that said, that was kind of what that was about. I appreciate all of the people who come to my channel and watch what I put out. I appreciate everybody very much. But know that I do what I do because I believe it’s the right thing to do and not because I’m trying to appease any one particular person or do like.
I do take suggestions. I think that’s, somebody suggested that I do the thing on Oklahoma City. They suggested it several weeks ago. So I did. I, I love suggestions because it gives me ideas. Maybe things that I wouldn’t have had to do otherwise. But know that I don’t do anything because I’m trying to appease or get favor from anybody. That’s not how I roll. But I do very sincerely appreciate people, but I’m not going to mold how I do things to appease anybody.
Anyway, that said, guys, I’m going to be going to be vending this weekend at a show in southern California out in Costa Mesa. So if any of you guys are in southern California and you want to come out to the gun show in southern California and Costa Mesa, I will be there this weekend. But because I have to be there early tomorrow morning, I’m going to cut it loose.
You all have a wonderful weekend and I will upload this ten hour video of the pleasanton thing or 11 hours. I’ll upload that here shortly and you guys can watch it to your heart’s content. Yeah, I don’t mind throwing the garbage out. So thank you, country girl and everybody. Thank you very much. Oh, yeah. I don’t care what anybody think. Water off a duck’s back. All right, everybody.
No, I don’t buy guns. I don’t sell guns. I don’t do any of that stuff. I don’t want to have to deal with all the paperwork stuff. I suck at that. But I do like the industry and I do like going down there and promoting stuff. So I promote my channel and some of the things I do. But it’s going to be interesting. So we’ll see how it goes this weekend.
But that said, you all have a wonderful evening, and I will see you when I see see you. Probably. I’ll upload a few things, but you probably won’t see me live again until Monday. So that said, you guys enjoy your weekend, and we will see you soon. Good night. Good. .
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