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Joining us now is we’ll do a change away from this topic, Gard Goldsmith. Great to talk to you, Gard. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me on, David, and terrific conversations. I agree with you 100%. Well, I won’t throw you into that briar patch, but no. Well, I was just sitting here having my Moolick meat and mealworm on the side meal, and I just thought, I got to join the future.

I don’t just I need to learn all this new stuff. Hey, by the way, I just wanted to compliment you again for bringing up I literally had this right next to me when you brought up Cold Case Christianity, and I got it because of you. Thank you so much. You’ve done so much to help me. Well, that’s Jay Werner Wallace who did that, he did a great job, and he had an interesting journey to get to that point.

Really was a very interesting book. Absolutely. He’s got there. Yeah. When we’re looking at this, they really do want us into some kind of a Soylent Green thing. Isn’t it? Isn’t it amazing how they just take all these science fiction movies and they start implementing them, whether, yeah, Soylent Green or 1984 or Brave New World. I mean, it’s crazy. It’s crazy. They disconnect you from the natural world and how you might feed yourself and getting connected to the soil and getting connected to your neighbors.

And as you were talking about with the psychedelics disconnecting from God and changing your biochemical state in such a way that you’re actually connected to a shaman to do something about it’s. Crazy. And to bring it up, you talked about that crime spree, the murder spree in Maine, and whether or not the man was on Psychoactive that’s nobody’s really talking about that. Why isn’t that part of the conversation? And isn’t it interesting that when the says, you know, so these psychedelics connect with Serotonin and we don’t really know what’s going on there, it’s like, yeah.

And you’re not interested in finding out. As long as it’s the big pharmaceutical companies doing it, you might question it when it is coming up with something as a competitor to the pharmaceutical companies, like Magic Mushrooms, but you’re not interested in it. When it’s their SSRIs that’s doing it, they don’t talk about it at all. Right. And as you say, there’s a difference between mandating and compelling people not to take these things through the force of the state, engaging in aggression to tell people, don’t do that, and preaching to people, just offering what I think is a good way to go.

And you might want to try this. And I worked in a bookstore for many years, part time, and we carried a lot of the Alcoholics Anonymous recovery material, the books, the recovery medallions for their 24 hours, the one month, and so on. So a lot of the Anonymous guys would actually come in, and I’d have great conversations with them, learning about so many of the patterns that emerged in the conversations.

And I would say, you know, I talked to this other guy. Is that similar with you? And it was always the things that I learned are actually very applicable to anybody, even if they don’t have the classic termed addictive problems, which is that they would typically look at their opportunity to ingest some sort of a drug and get away from things as their opportunity. It’s their chance. They’ve sacrificed so much.

Now it’s my time to get away. So a mother would go into the car and drink or do something like taking heroin or something like that, because they just felt that this is my time to withdraw and get away, and this is my release valve. I think a lot of us feel those sorts of feelings. It’s just if you’ve got those, especially if you’ve got that tendency, how do you guard against that and protect yourself and make it a fruitful thing to release a little bit of pressure? How do you do it in a positive way? Can you help somebody else while you’re doing it and have fun? Can you learn something? Yeah, we can do that in a lot of different ways.

We can escape by watching TV or movies or sports or something like that, or we can get obsessed with it. We can make it so that all we do is sit there and watch TV. And now we’re not living our life. We’ve lost our life because we’re sitting there on the couch in front of television all the time, especially with sports. Somebody can become a real sports fanatic or there’s nothing inherently wrong with it unless it becomes this thing that you lean on because it’s an escape out of life.

And then when it’s this thing that you’re trying to escape with and it kind of takes over your life, that’s when it becomes bad. And of course, that can be anything. It could be food, it could be anything in your life. As it starts to dominate and take over your life and take you out of life, at that point it becomes evil. But yeah, you’re right. Even things that I would think are harmful, I’m not trying to get the government to ban them, except, as I said, the mRNA, because I believe that’s an outright poison, a kill shot.

But in general, I don’t believe in prohibition. And I’m not trying to force anybody into a particular religion or to agree with me in religion, and I don’t want the government doing that either, because what happens is the government winds up destroying that church that it joins. It joins the church and then destroys the church. And we know people like that, too. It’s so true. So true. Look what they’ve done with marriage, for goodness sake.

And thank you again for about a year ago, reading that piece that I wrote about marriage on substac. Don’t put the state before God when it comes to marriage going into the history of it and how they tried to stop blacks and whites from marrying. It’s supposed to be a religious ceremony. And if you’re going to get the government defining what marriage is, and you’re going to have command and control, central control of things, you’re not going to get what you want because the people who are going to be in charge won’t be the people eventually that you want to be in charge.

That’s right. Marriage is a good example. It really is a good example of the mixture of church and state because it was a religious thing, and then the government gets involved in it. The next thing you know, government has defined it and defined it in a way to match with their religion of secular humanism, for example, and then prohibited all other opinions about marriage. And that’s what they do, in a broad sense, on any kind of religion.

When you have the government getting into a religion, they’re going to wind up taking it in a direction that you probably don’t want. Yeah. And it reminds me, actually, of it’s, that statement from 19th century, the 19th century economist Frederick Bastier, political philosopher, where he said, the state is that great fiction by which everyone endeavors to live off of everyone else, and perhaps as some folks want to celebrate Halloween.

It is very vampiric. It’s an interesting thing because it removes people, because they think everything’s being decided in this sandbox. More stuff, more toys have been thrown into the sandbox, and they don’t see that it comes at the expense of their neighbor. It comes at their expense. They see it as coming at their expense. So I have to dive into I have to decide how this is going to be steered.

I’ve got to get aboard this ship, and no, I don’t want it. This is the moral culpability. That is the problem we’ve discussed on my streaming show. We’ve discussed Israel and Hamas, and I constantly hear especially conservative talk radio hosts, they’re saying, well, what are we going to do about it? And it’s the all inclusive government statist we. It’s like, no, I don’t want to be part of your we.

Why are you taking the royal we and claiming that somehow it represents is and I mentioned on my show as well, the New York times bomber, one of the very few who actually was a terrorist that they got. A number of years ago who was going to get a car, and they ended up replacing the explosives that the guy thought that he was going to blow up in Times Square.

Not New York Times, Times Square. And they asked him, how do you plead? And he said, I’m almost quoting verbatim. He said guilty. Guilty. A thousand times guilty. And if the US government continues to do what it is doing in the middle east, more American civilians are going to die because they buy into the same canard that we do. It’s the royal we that they’ve translated from old royal days, where the monarch was leytet saint.

I am the state to now you are all the state. It’s all wonderful. It’s kumbaya, it’s we, and they wrap their arms around you through force. Just leave me alone. I don’t want to be molested. Just leave me alone. I don’t need Joe Biden sniffing my well, I don’t have any hair. But you know what? You know, we look at all the different things that the US. Government does.

I don’t want that imputed to me. That’s not my policy. I don’t support that. I didn’t vote for that, and I don’t agree with that in any way, shape, or form. And yet that is the big issue. And so we need to understand the same thing about other people. That’s what I said from the very beginning. You understand that the things that are done by the Israeli government to the Israeli people, using them as lab rats, but also to the Gaza people, that is not to be imputed to all the people living in Israel.

The same thing goes of Hamas and the things that it does not to be imputed to all the people living in Gaza, just as I don’t want what biden does or trump does imputed to mean. If that were the case, since we created this vaccine, I guess everybody would be justified in terms of wiping America off the face of the earth because we shots around the world. I mean, it’s crazy when you look at it, but we have to understand what’s really going on.

But everybody’s getting their bloodlust up. And I see they brought journalists over to Israel, and Joel Pollock at breitbart was one of the ones that they took over to show, and people were throwing up when they showed them the pictures of what had been done to people. I understand that, and I wanted to throw up when I saw the pictures of what bombs had done to a little kid in Gaza.

But you understand that it’s not the visceral effect. We got to try to distance ourselves from that somehow and say, how do we break this cycle of violence? How do we get a lid on this thing instead of escalating it? And everybody on both sides seems to want to escalate this, and they don’t want to go back and look at the long term agenda that we’ve had for decades with the US.

And with Israel as well, with netanyahu. We got to get is it’s like, okay, so that’s really what you’re pushing us for. You’ve got this geopolitical goal and you’re going to use us as expendable for your geopolitical goal, and you don’t care how many of your own citizens die, and you certainly don’t care about the citizens in the other countries. As a matter of fact, you take that as a victory notch when you kill other people in other countries.

Yeah, and it’s interesting, I look at it almost like a combination of pretzel logic and convoluted circus performing, where they have all these various convolutions, and they’re very subtle. So for example, the US. Government will insert federal troops, us. Troops without any declaration of war on the ground in Israel. They’ll put them on the ground in Poland. And in Poland, joe biden actually acknowledges to 101st airborne. You’ll find out about the Ukrainians.

Oh, that’s right. Some of you guys have already been there. Oh, really? I didn’t know that you had them on the ground in Ukraine. Now you told us. And then we have John Kirby talking about how well the advisors of the you know, they put it in air quotes, I suppose the advisors of the US. Military who are on the ground in Israel, they have a right to defend themselves.

But even that, it’s a circumlocution of what is really the rights. Because and I’ve mentioned this to people before. I said, listen, do they really have a right to sure, they have the right to protect themselves, but if they’re there illegitimately on somebody else’s dime and the weapons that they have they didn’t buy themselves, then what right exactly are they exercising over mean? If a mafia sends one of its mob guys to a new city with guns that they got through shaking down some of the local people in Brooklyn, does that man then have the right to use the fruits of ill gotten gains? Or is there a moral question know, and I think there are major moral questions even in that sort of typical phraseology that we hear from people where they say, well, they obviously have a right there.

Well, you’re not questioning the fact that you put them there illegitimately. And if we’re looking at the weapons that they’ve got, what if I don’t want to pay for their weapons? And that goes to the weapons. Even if the people of the United States aren’t there, if we’re looking at the weapons that they send over, take a look at Syria. Talk about justification, okay? We could be invited into Israel, and I’m sure they would love to have additional troops in there to work with them.

We were not invited into Syria. We invaded Syria. We set up bases in Syria, and then we had u. S. Jets do attacks today, and they said they were retaliatory. Retaliatory for what? Retaliatory because we invaded. They attacked us in response to that. And so now, oh, now we’re justified to escalate that. That is the key issue. And we have done that over and over again. And so when you look at what is happening, syria is a good example.

They’ve got their agenda of what they want to do with oil. They’ve got their agenda with what they want to do with oil, with Iran, as well as with Iran’s power base. This is about geopolitics. This is about the long term animosity between Iran and the US. That goes back to the 1950s when we overthrew their elected leftist leader who wanted to nationalize industries. But of course in America we just think it was the shaw was always there.

He wasn’t put in by us. We don’t know that the CIA was training his secret police and we don’t care or know anything about what he was doing to the people there. And then just all of a sudden for no apparent reason there’s this radical Islamic regime that gets installed and they hate Americans and we can’t understand why they hate us. Yeah my formative years came without that knowledge of the foreground to all of it.

So I came in with exactly those thoughts. I thought why? Why do they hate know, why is it that they’ve done just must, I must make sure that I don’t like Iranians. Then I met a woman from Iran, she goes well you know, it used to be called Persia. I was like what are you talking about? I was a kid and I was like what? She goes well let me tell you what happened.

I’m like, oh I see. Okay. And you know David, it’s interesting as you mentioned it because they have all these subtle means know, there’s so many perverse incentives anytime that a government institution or something removed from individuals claims power. So we’ve got the Jabs, we’ve got the Pharmacia, we’ve got the perverse incentives to gin the system and make sure that their money goes towards promoting a particular so called public health agenda.

And as you brought up there is no such thing as public health, it’s individual health. So anytime you remove it from the individual or free association and you’re applying mandates and so on to people, there is an incentive for people to get in to have those mandates steered to their benefit. Obviously rent seeking in economics, right? And we see the same thing with the military industrial complex, whether it’s public health or so called public defense.

The further away and the founders really understood this. They wanted small decentralized localities really running their own thing. And I think that the lessons from Exodus are very clear. If you look at before they had a king you look at the system that they had. They had the tribes, they had the families, they had the elders and the families who were the adjudicators it’s much like ancient Ireland, much like ancient Iceland.

They had these locales localities and it was mostly reputation. It wasn’t statutes from the state thrown down at people. And I think that this is the sort of thing that a lot of people, they just sort of blithely go along with it because they think that they’ve got these protective machines in the government, and the machines are just designed to get taken over by people who will take advantage of them, whether it’s the so called defense industry or know We’ve got a woman running for governor.

Yeah, a woman running for governor right now named Kelly Aott here in New Hampshire. Former US. Senator. I used to see her around. She was the state attorney general. I used to see her in a panera bread up in the Capitol. And so she was a senator for a while. She got knocked out by a Democrat. She’s part of the rhino complex. She was on the board of BAE Systems at the same time, I believe that she was on the board of News.

Yeah. Big military industrial corporation. Yeah, exactly. So there are all these perverse incentives that we don’t realize. And one thing I’d like to mention to you, David, to go back to what you were talking about, about the pharmacia and so on for a number of years, it’s taken me a while to learn this lesson and I’m still trying to figure it out. But I think you and I discussed this once before having worked in television, I was at the Paramount studios when I worked at Star Trek Voyager, and I really learned lesson coming from television.

And there’s this fine line between consuming entertainment as a minor distraction and understanding that it is a distraction and living that entertainment world completely removed. And it’s a very strange thing because I think with the pervasive nature of media, I was one of those people who I thought, I live in New Hampshire, but I can go to Los Angeles, I can write, I can do all these things.

And it took me a while to really understand that lesson that entertainment is just a minor distraction and you can’t constantly live in escapism. And I really got the lesson just recently I was watching one of the old reruns of Mission Impossible and I knew that they had shot it. I didn’t know until thought, you know, those look like the buildings. They were pretending it was like Poland or something like that, but you could tell it was Los Angeles and they had Greg Morris and the big guy, they were setting up something in a van.

Some of the Mission Impossible members, it’s from the they they pull up on this street and you know, it’s somewhere just around the corner from a Soundstage or whatever now because I worked at Star Trek, right? So I thought to myself, gee, I wonder if that’s Paramount. And I looked at it more closely and I scrolled back and they pull into this alcove and it literally was an alcove that was just below my window at Strange.

Yeah, it’s a weird thing because then you start to realize how many generations of people have gone through that particular field of work and just they’ve gotten a contract. They’re doing a show, like a guy doing a contract to build a house or lay down pavement or whatever it is it’s a place where you can do work. People invested in putting up the buildings. People come and go.

They do their work, they do their shows like any other theater. And as I’ve gotten older, I’ve become much more aware of how easily you can get drawn into considering that artificial world to be real. And that’s what we’ve got to be really careful about with virtual reality, because it’s becoming hyper real, and it’s going to be so controlling to people. That’s funny. Now, you were the Paramount Studios in California.

That’s where you yeah. Which Star Trek generation were you working with? Was that? I was at Star Trek. Voyager? Yeah. In fact, my claim to fame I never got my name on the credits because I was always so low on the totem pole. But my claim to fame is that and I hate to say this, I hate to say this because Donald Trump it’s Operation Warp Drive. Yeah.

I don’t have the hair, but I’m the guy who saved Warp Drive. So what happened was this season of, you know, the concept the premise for Voyager was that this crew of this Enterprise ship got teleported to some distant quadrant of the universe where nobody had ever gone, and it was going to take them years and years to get back. So they were having this adventure, a sort of lost in space sort of thing.

They’d encounter new explorations as they worked their way back, and so they wanted to sort of speed things up. The time that they estimated at maximum warp drive to get back to the Federation space, it was going to be, like, six years, and, like, we’re not sure if the show is going to last that long. Let’s see if we can go faster. I’m glad you’re not operating. An know, we got to pause here and recharge this planet.

I see Jennifer Granholm is taking up all the spots. I don’t know what’s going so they had this story where they had an alien who gave them this thing called Slipstream drive. And again, this is how it’s entertaining, and it’s kind of fun. It’s sort of like talking about if you’re a baseball card collector or, oh, I got this first edition of the Rolling Stones record or whatever.

It’s entertainment and it’s fun, but then you got to realize, like, okay, that’s just a narrative, and it’s just fun to talk about it. It’s like talking about your favorite Jules Verne story or something like that. It’s entertaining, and hopefully you can draw a lesson from it. And that’s really what I’ve been learning. As I mentioned with you, I’m I’m literally the Writers Guild fellow, and I’m like, nobody I’ve been there for, like, two days.

Nobody even knows who am, right? And so I’m sitting there hearing them talk about, well, yeah, we’ve got this alien, and it’s going to be called Slipstream Drive, and it’s going to be so much faster than warp speed. I was like, well, at the end of this show, they’re going to get back to the Federation. They’re still going to have this technology. So that means, like, this classic thing, warp is now going to be gone.

They’re going to get rid of it, and they’ll have this so I didn’t know what to say because I wasn’t really in a position to talk, and nobody knew who I was, right? So at the end, I knew Brandon Braga. He’s the guy who created the Borg, and he’s a pretty pro Liberty guy. I had lunch with him a few years ago. Nice guy. We left the meeting.

It was all the writers are all together in this thing they call the break session. And I was up at the board. I was the guy who had to write down all their ideas as we broke it down into acts and scenes. So they’re going through. So I didn’t mention anything during the meeting, but at the end of the meeting, I waited because I knew Brandon Braga would be the last guy to come out.

So Brandon Braga comes out. He’s one of the producers. And I say, hey, Brandon, that was a good goes. Yeah, yeah. What you think? I was like, yeah, it was good. I was like, oh, by the way, that flip stream drive thing. He goes, yeah. I was like, does that mean that when the ship gets back to the Federation, warp drive won’t be used in Star Trek from now on? He’s like, oh, we got to fix that.

Yes, you do have to fix it. So that reminds me of that sounds like Wag the dog. Yeah, we got this prisoner. We’re going to bring him back. We can’t have this guy come back. Let’s kill old shoe. Old shoe. People are throwing their shoes up. That was the funniest movie. What was funny? That both sides knew that this thing was just a made up narrative, and so they’re releasing information to change the narrative on the other side to their advantage as they’re going through this made up narrative.

That was quite a movie. It reminds me when you’re talking about that, I know we went out when the kids were my sons were really small. We went out to Tahoe, and I had that feeling that it was really strange because I’d grown up with a bonanza, and it was in the background on Sunday nights and stuff like that until I would see it. And we’re driving around there, and it’s like, wow.

The sense of deja vu that I’ve been here before was really amazing. Of course, the kids didn’t have it because they didn’t know what it looked like, but it was this area where they had filmed it and watched it for years and years when I was a kid. And then all of a sudden, I’m there, and it was like being on the set, although they had been shooting it on the natural area.

But I understand it is weird. I had a similar experience in another instance, my buddy used to he was staying at one of my brother’s houses and he had a dog. And so when I would finish work, I would go over to visit with the dog and let the dog outside and he would leave the television on for the dog. And so I went in, and typically when I got there, Bonanza would be on.

And it was one of those, like, first season bonanzas, a black and white. It was mostly soundstage with the backdrop that had been drawn, with the prairies in the background and so on. And I was watching. I was like, I don’t know why, but I just get a feeling they shot this at one of the Paramount studios. I don’t know. Like, there’s no reason to think that it’s just in a soundstage.

So I waited and sure enough, it was shot at Paramount, probably in the same soundstage where I was walking around where they had built the Star Trek Voyager toy to play in. And it really is well, you know, the interesting thing about it was the first couple of seasons they shot it on a soundstage, but then they would do some outside shots in that area and then they decided, well, let’s build the real thing out there.

And they built a purpose built house. And eventually Lauren Green and Dan Blocker and Michael Landon all got involved in terms of a part ownership of this thing, and they set it up for tourists and stuff like that. But they actually did have a ponderosa that they built, physically built it, and they built in different areas where they could hide the camera already got the shots that are built into this actual building.

But because they had been shooting it on the soundstage for a couple of years, they had to put the same background up. So they had to create kind of like a soundstage behind the actual ponderosa that they built for continuity effect. I don’t know that anybody would have really noticed it, but they did it anyway. I guess life imitating art or something like that. But yeah, you’re right.

It really is about moderation. Just because somebody is not going to become an alcoholic if they take a drink, if they can do it in moderation. And so everything is about that. Entertainment can be that way, food can be that way. Everything needs to be in moderation. That’s a real challenge to all of us. And we all have a different challenge and different things. Of course, on the other side of it, even when you’re talking about food, we have people who are trying to manipulate us into not doing it in moderation.

All the junk food suppliers, they load that stuff up so that you don’t do it in moderation. It keeps you unsatisfied and looking for more. And I was thinking about the lessons of the pharmacia, not to actually cure problems and cure maladies, but to give you things that cover up the maladies and then extend the maladies. And I’m beginning to think that it’s not just what party or what nation state is going to win here or win there.

I’m almost getting the sense that these decades and decades since World War II, of all of these different flare ups here and there, it’s almost as if the military industrial complex knows they want to continue to push conflict, but only up to a certain point. Because if they go beyond that point, then they have to literally they would get lots of production and so on and so forth.

But they reach a threshold where the economy would be so bad off that I think almost as if they’ve realized that they can sustain themselves at the maximum point. And this is just my theory, I was thinking about it last night, I was like, I wonder if they know that if they just continually to have things simmer just below World War, that that’s their best profit margin right there.

And I don’t know, I could be completely wrong, but you see the way things are bubbling up there in the Middle East. Hezbollah is going to get involved and then attack Iran and that sort of stuff, and it couldn’t lead to World War Three perhaps, or maybe they’ll pull back and then a few years from now they’ll do it again. And of course we got to have more increasing money going to the military industrial complex and perpetuate those bases.

Rather than having a complete world war that ends up moving all the chess pieces around once more. They just keep their chess pieces on there. Rather than having everything removed, they slowly advance into our lives. I don’t know, it’s just speculation. Yeah. And of course that all comes from standpoint of their arrogance that they are in complete control and they aren’t. They might get right up to that line and then things get a little bit out of control.

We were talking about the other day, one person questioned, I said, it looks like we’re at Defcon Two. There’s not a public description of that. Most people agree that after the involvement in Ukraine, it took us to Defcon Three. Defcon Two is the next level up. I don’t know if what’s going on in the Middle East takes us to Defcon Level Two or not, but if there’s a general consensus that we were at Defcon Three with what was going on with Ukraine, this whole Middle East thing looks like it is quite a bit more volatile and dangerous from a global perspective.

I think I agree with you. And you might have heard, I think the Cat agrees with you too. She’s just entered the studio. I agree with you, and it troubles me greatly to see the way that you can’t criticize the policies of the state of Israel without being accused of being anti Semitic. You can’t criticize the United States government overthrow of the Ukrainian government that was elected there in late 2013, and then the imposition through Victoria Newland and Jeffrey Pyatt and all the others.

And it amazes me that you’ve got these fatuous characters like Lindsey Graham talking about how they support Israel. In the meantime, he’s literally in photographs with Ole Tianibach of the Slovada party of Ukraine, who is a mean, an avowed. It’s just and that’s not Graham. Please. Come on. It’s amazing. You’ve got Amy Klobuchar in photographs with them, joe Biden shaking his hand, john McCain not only meeting with guys who formed the Al Nustra Front when they were in Turkey.

They’ve got those photographs of them standing out there in a bright, clear day out there in the desert, but you’ve got him in photographs with it’s. It’s just and the thing that I often consider, David, is they say that this is for our defense, and so on. I would prefer that they actually operate according to their oath to the Constitution. If they think there’s the cat. Sorry, the cat is very eager.

It’s warm here. She wants to go outside anyway, rather than coming up with all these flimsy excuses that they’re defending America and that if they don’t continue to give weapons to Israel, israel will somehow fall when they’ve been giving him $3. 8 billion of weapons a year for years. I’d rather just be disconnected and protect myself. And you talked a little bit about that story out of Maine, and it’s not that far from my home.

And when I look at the forces of government on a regional level in the United States or state level in the United States, and I think about what they do to disarm us and make us more vulnerable here against criminals, it blows me away. I’ve got even conservatives now on talk radio here are saying first they’re you know, they seem to think that everybody in Maine is carrying a weapon, right? Which is absurd, right.

With Governor Janet Mills there, they’ve got a lot of people who moved up there, especially from Massachusetts. It’s not old time Maine. Yeah, there’s a lot of wilderness there, but if you go to a lot of the cities, they’ve gone very purple. The other thing about it is that the place where that man committed his murders and alleged but the people died this particular man is alleged to have committed these murders was a bowling alley and a bar, and the bowling alley serves beer.

I looked up their website. Maine has a statute that prohibits anyone who owns a bar or any place that’s serving alcohol from allowing anybody into their premises to carry a firearm. That’s an infringement on property rights, and it’s an infringement on the freedom of contract, and it’s an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms in all those areas. So this guy picked soft targets, and no one had firearms there.

So that’s the first lesson. Then. The second lesson is, I’m hearing conservatives, actually, they’re insinuating that, well, this man had mental stability problems. He threatened people on the military base. So why wasn’t somebody taking away his firearms? You’re a conservative now. You’re talking like Donald Trump. We do the due process later, which isn’t due process at all. Now you’re actually saying without the terminology, red flag the guy.

How about this? If he threatened people, you charge him with criminal threatening, and then you put him in jail, and you have a trial about that, and you say, yeah, so did he threaten people? What’s his motivation for that? Oh, he’s crazy also. Okay, well, we’ll deal with that as well. Yeah, exactly. You give him due. It just like with hate crimes. I’m hearing conservatives now, especially in New England, because it’s so close to home.

People are talking about how well, something’s got to be done. Well, if something had to be done, clearly there was a problem with the guy. If there was a problem with the guy, he’s either bad enough to be put in jail and you can prosecute him, or he’s not. That’s it. You put him on trial, and if you don’t have him in jail, then clearly you think he’s safe enough to be out on the streets.

Yeah. And of course, besides the alcohol being there, and it’s not legal for them to take it. They had a sign at the bowling alley right above the sign that says, choose your weapon. They said, don’t bring your firearm in. And it’s like, choose your weapon. You want a small bowling ball? You want a big bowling ball? You want a small caliber or a big caliber? Choose your weapon, but don’t bring your weapon in here.

And so, again, as you point out, it’s a soft target. And that sign didn’t stop anything. Did mean that’s the key. What they did was they kept people who were law abiding, rational citizens from having weapons that they could use to protect themselves. It’s just like the Luby cafeteria in Texas. And what happened with that woman who was a dentist, and she left, well, you can’t bring it in here.

It’s like, all right. Left her firearm in the glove compartment. And then this guy drives his truck through the side of the building there and starts shooting people, and I don’t have my weapon with me because there was a sign there telling me I couldn’t protect myself. Yeah, absolutely. It’s troubling thank goodness we can talk about these things and try to set the record straight. And I think that with your program, you have tremendous capacity to be able to cover all these different stories.

And my work at MRCTV, I throw stories up to the editors and things like that, and sometimes we have know the folks at Brent Bozell and Mark Levin are very good friends, and I have massive problems with many of especially, you know, some of his sort of rhetoric. And so but they’re very good to allow me. I mentioned in a recent piece about Joe Biden throwing weapons around the world at the same time that he’s starting a new White House Bureau of Gun Violence Prevention.

I was like, the hypocrisy of this guy is unbelievable. He wants to give billions of dollars in weapons to Ukraine. And they did allow me to hyperlink to Israel in my thought, okay, you know, there’s there’s give and take here. And I’m very glad to be able, know, chat with you and the opportunities you’ve given me to fill in for you and then doing my streaming show to get this information out that even when you have some conservatives, you say, no, we got to disagree here.

Let me bring up a different perspective for you. And I heard one of my acquaintances in Boston talk radio. She says, what are we going to do about what’s happening in Israel? And again, I say, what is this we? Why do I have to have anything to do with that? So to me, that’s a really big deal. And it’s great also to think that we can sort of circumvent some of the censors that have been brought up against us and with the listenership and how supportive they’ve been.

I’ve been able to start off my Liberty Conspiracy show and my substac, and it been able to sustain it pretty well with all the people who came over from your show. And they’re in my chat and they’re saying, Hi, Gardner. I’m like, wow, you folks are just great. It’s so fantastic. And you’re there. Liberty Conspiracy on Rockfin, Monday through Friday. At what time? Monday through Friday starting at 06:00 p.

m. . Eastern. And we’re streaming live at Rumble and Rockfin and on my Twitter feed at Guard Goldsmith. And in addition to that, I have the substac, and I’m taking little video pieces and I’ll put them out at Substac and so on and so forth. The latest one was about Halloween. There’s a second part about that coming out. And I just got asked, and this is something I want to mention to you, David.

I just got asked, you know, how Ian Freeman was convicted, and he’s going to be appealing the conviction, but, yeah, he’s going to be tell people. Ian Freeman, they may not be familiar with the name because it hasn’t been covered by the mainstream media much, but it’s an important precedent that’s being set there. Tell people about Ian Freeman. Well, Ian Freeman and his business partner Mark Edge, came up from Florida with the Free State Project to join fellow libertarians.

They moved to Keene, New Hampshire, and they started their radio show decades ago in New Hampshire. And I was doing a separate radio show in New Hampshire, and they were so kind. They invited me over. They said, hey, how’d you like to sit in with us on Wednesday nights? And I said, sure. So I would go and sit in with them and terrific people. And Ian got started very early in Bitcoin and made amazing profits off it and started his own Bitcoin exchange and also got some of the Bitcoin kiosks for people locally, other Free State project members who might want to start their own.

Ian was prosecuted because he was dealing with a guy who wanted crypto, and that guy was defrauding people. And they said that Ian wasn’t looking closely enough into a sort of know your customer type pattern, which they’re now putting on steroids. They’ve ramped this up. They got 300 pages of regulations. Congress said, we want you to do it, but of course the devil is going to be in the details, and the details are going to be created by the regulatory state.

And the IRS has got huge 300 pages to basically end anonymity for anybody that’s got crypto in any way, shape or form, but also exposing people to a lot of identity theft risk because it is so pervasive and broad based and it also is set up. I think this is one of the reasons they came after Ian was because they said, well, there’s kind of this vague thing as to whether or not you’re able to get this.

If you have the ability to get all this information on people, then you got to do it. And it’s like, well, that’s kind of vague. And so to have that case there with Ian Freeman said, well, if you don’t collect this information, we may at some point in time determine that you were able and now we’re going to give you the treatment. Absolutely. And that’s one of the know.

The appeal is going to be very complex. There’s some question as to whether or not Bitcoin is a security or a currency. So whether it’s the SEC, it’s just all confused and it’s all based again, it’s how many angels can dance on the head of a deadly pin? The pin shouldn’t exist. The federal government should have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with this. And agents of the state, if people want to police this, then let them go ahead and invest in something to police it first.

Getting the state involved means that they’re forcing their neighbor to pay for what they think should be necessary enforcement of something that’s immoral, period. There’s nothing that excuses that. And so Ian looks like he has to go to federal prison for eight years. Right now, he’s in a state penitentiary and he can make phone calls and so on. And so I’ve gotten a number of phone calls from him.

Literally, he’s in his cell. You can hear it echoing, and he’s talking to me on a tablet. He called yesterday and he has asked me on Friday nights now. So their free talk live show goes seven days a week. And he asked me if on Friday nights, I can provide recorded segments that will go out on the stations that they’ve connected to to lever preposition, dangling that’s 175 stations and yeah, I guess they’re on the GCN network.

Our interviews when you want to hop on when Tony Arterburn wants to hop on it just had Eric Peters. Yeah, it’ll go out. I think it’s up to me. They’re going to be recorded. It won’t be live, but it is because of you helping to keep me in the game and not game, but in this line of work, in addition to MRCTV, that I’ve been able to know these little pieces here and there to just get these messages out there to get around these sensorious minds.

Well, you keep yourself in the game because you keep yourself informed. And I know you work really hard to do that. And that’s the key thing. You have a lot of information. People subscribe to your substac. You put out a thing every Sunday night and pick up some key stories, and you have a really good sense of a broad base of stories. And it’s not a repetition of what you typically see or even what I have here.

It’s things that you found on your own doing a lot of research. So I highly recommend your substac to people as well. Thanks, David. One of the things that really gets me is when you know you’ve got allies, not to stress this too much, but when you know you’ve got allies who are helping you out and who believe in the principles that you believe in, that’s the main thing is the principles that you believe in.

And what really amazes me is when I think about the forces that are arrayed against us, and you brought up NewsGuard and I gave a comment, and you’re like, oh, well, he’s the and we’ve got Michael Hayden on the board of NewsGuard, a man who openly admits, know, overthrowing people to being involved with, spying, lying, this sort of thing. It’s just incredible to think about the fact that they were getting my tax money and they were sending MRCTV messages to have, you know, Gardner Goldsmith respond to us about this article, that if you don’t respond to us, we’re going to claim that it’s false.

And all they have to do is click on the hyperlinks that are in my articles and they’ll get the information. It’s amazing how many pinnacles they’ve got. I saw something about Sidney Powell, who is now flipped, and well, we don’t know if she’s flipped or not. Maybe she flipped a long time ago, but they flipped her lid. But she was know. Even after she know, pleaded guilty of this, she came back out and still pushing her narrative about the election.

And I noticed in one article there was a guy that she relied on, there was a former CIA guy and it’s like they’ve got their tentacles and everything pushing these kind of like what Pachenik did with the Sting. This guy’s pushing stuff to Sidney Powell. Maybe she believed it, I don’t know, but they’ve got their stuff there. You talk about Michael Hayden. These are the guys who created the Ayatollah kameini as blowback as Ron Paul always talks about.

They’re constantly doing coups and assassinations, censorship, fake narratives, and it’s just amazing how destructive and evil they are and how they’re know it’s not just Operation Mockingbird, where they’re feeding stuff to Walter Cronkite or whatever. They’re everywhere. They’re pushing this stuff to everybody at every level, even an alternative media, even to somebody like Sidney Powell pushing stuff to true. So true. It’s funny, David, because I can get frustrated know, you get angry sometimes, or one gets angry sometimes.

I do, yeah. You know, okay. I do. Yeah. And the other thing about it know, working in this field, I think a lot of times, especially I’ll listen to a talk radio host in the morning, or you get a Michael Savage who sort of tone things down. But a lot of times, bluster and expression of visceral anger can gin up better ratings. Sometimes. Or sometimes maybe people feel like they have to emote that much more, that sort of thing.

And you don’t want to be too manipulative and too self analytic and things like that. You just want to be yourself. Sometimes you naturally will get angry. But I get so tired of this know, like Mark Levin. I get so tired of these people who oftentimes, if you were to sit down in conversation with them, you might agree on a number of things. And this is the problem that I see so often in politics and commentary about politics, where there’s this fine line between attack, attack, and I’d rather win over somebody.

And I don’t know where that line is many times to say, look, this person is an enemy versus how can I win this person over? Well, I think people want to see conflict, and I think that Trump understands that. The Democrats understand it. James Carville said, well, they’re going to impeach Trump. How do we get this lucky? Trump thrives on this persecution, and it is persecuted. Everybody sees that.

It’s unequal application of the law, and he thrives on it, and he invites it. We just look at what he’s doing in court. The judge says, don’t say anything about me or the other people. So he says something about it. He gets a $10,000 fine, and he immediately does it again on Truth Social. He wants $10,000 is nothing to him. He’ll make a lot more than that with donations if everybody gets angry.

And so that’s a key part of it, is getting everybody on both sides of this angry. That’s why I said even when you look at something as horrific as the deliberate mutilation by these terrorists of children killing them and or the kid with half of his brain blown out of his skull from a bomb or whatever, you can get yourself to the point where you can fall into the trap of getting so emotionally involved in it.

And we should be emotionally involved. We shouldn’t be so cold to all this stuff. But we have to also try to keep our head and say, well, this is awful. How do we try to minimize this? Right? Instead of just running off with a bloody shirt, I’m going to get even. I’m going to get vengeance for this, or whatever. We have to try to pull back and say, all right, but how do is there anything that we can do to try to minimize this? I don’t really see any good decisions there of what we do about this stuff, frankly.

But I know that if we just get ourselves ramped up and psyched up to kill the other side, whichever side we’re on, that is definitely going to be the wrong way to go. David, I’m curious, as a father who you and your wife raise children, I’ve only experienced it as an uncle. But how you go about how you went about that balance between showing the kids the dangerous, the malicious people out there and not getting too wrapped up in that attack mode because you want to teach people youngsters.

Look. That’s bad, that behavior is bad. And how you make sure that they don’t get cynical, they don’t get jaded, as you’re giving them these examples, because there are so many examples throughout history. I’m sure a lot of that has to do with faith in God, I would assume, but I don’t know if I’m expressing it right, Dave, but I was just thinking about it as I was watching you and, gee, you know, you’ve raised kids.

You’ve done such a great job as a father and your wife, as a mother, and I think to know, to allow the children to see the dark side and not become cynical, to know, hey, watch out, this is bad stuff. Well, I don’t know. It is difficult to not become cynical, but I think another part of it is that we have to focus on positive things, right? And if all we do is look at negative things, this is one of the reasons why, when I go through the news, I really do feel compelled to get preachy, as Keith called it.

I feel like I got to give people some good news and some good hope, and there really is a good hope out there, and it’s not all doom and gloom, so there’s evil, but we don’t have desperation. And all around us there’s darkness and evil, but we don’t have to be overcome by that. And so we overcome evil with good. And one of the ways that we do that is by focusing on what is good and pure and right and just.

And that is a real healing thing to us, better than any psilocybin, mushrooms or anything else, is to look at what is true and just and eternal, and we have to focus on that. And that’s why when I talk about this stuff and I have to do it for my own benefit, because I can’t look at this abyss on a day to day basis as much as I do, and it would just drive me nuts if I didn’t have something that was good and pure to look at.

And so I don’t want to leave people without any good news when we look at all this bad news. That’s the key thing that’s well know, it’s funny, David. We have some neighbors who they moved into this area before my family did, about a year before, and they had an old farmhouse and named the Driscolls. And they had three kids, all born before I, and they were more my brother and sister’s age.

My sister’s five years my elder. My brother is seven years my elder. And you make me think about I went to visit Mr. And Mrs. Driscoll recently, and they were always just wonderful hosts. They were just know, you’d go over playing baseball in the little field that they had that no longer had crops on it, and most of, you know, we’d be playing softball or whatever and going sledding down the hill and that sort of stuff.

And Mr. Driscoll actually did cartooning for NASA during the Apollo mission. He was part of their PR team and very, very good artist. And he brought out drawings that he had done of us as kids playing baseball. Cartoon, yeah, little spoofy cartoons with the dog chasing, running away with the ball and things like that. And he had been in the military, and he was in his 90s. He was in Korea.

And you think about some of the terrible things that those people saw. My dad was in World War II. He saw a man burned to death, an Australian pilot burned to death inside his plane on the tarmac. And my dad went to try to get him out. My dad was burning his hands. He couldn’t get the cockpit open. And you think about some of these terrible things that people see, and yet they find the positive, and it’s through well, I would hope that it’s through their soul and recognizing who is there behind it all.

And just a little while ago, so I went to visit the Driscoll’s, and it was like a second hadn’t gone by, and I was in their house and enjoying the smells in the sense walking across that doorstep that I’d walked across so many times as a kid. And I saw Mr. Driscoll, he was going to be going in for heart surgery, so he did, and he got out, but unfortunately, he passed away just a few weeks ago.

So we were at the memorial service, and I was on Saturday. And I thought about how when they found out that there was a new house that was built just through the woods behind their house, mr. Driscoll got a lawnmower and he cut away branches and stuff, and he created a path so that we could walk over to their house because he knew there were going to be kids there.

And he maintained it. And then eventually our footsteps maintained it. And there were other friends beyond that, five kids. And we had gangs of kids. Just so much fun. Flashlight tag and all sorts of stuff. We were at their Methodist church and I got up to say something at the memorial Saturday. They asked if anybody would like to come up. And I said, you know, Mr. Driscoll had an artistic eye and somehow he could see that landscape in the woods and he could see a trail.

I was like, but he saw a greater trail. He saw a trail that was given to us by Christ. And it just made me think about that. If you can just see that trail, you’re on the path. It’s okay. Anyway, well, what a great story that is before we run out of time. I know that you are a writer as well, and you got a book that is coming up.

Has it been published yet or is it still coming up? Well, yeah, interestingly enough, as we come towards Halloween, so I have three novellas that are out. One is called Bite, and that’s about a vampire hunter in Las Vegas. It’s sort of a cold check the Night Stalker takeoff. Then there’s Wall, which is crypto archaeology about a Great Wall of China before 10,000 years before the Great Wall of China.

And there’s another one called Fishing, and that’s a dark mass murderer on the loose in Western Massachusetts in the 70s, just around the end of the hippie era. And that’s got a lot of dark stuff in it. So if people are they want to be careful on that. Some violent scenes in that. But the sequel to Bite has been done for ages. And I actually had a book contract that was the one where it was actually Salon Publishing, sam Hain, as some people might call it.

So as we come to Halloween, it’s appropriate. And it was a mid sized publishing company, but they wanted me to split my writing name from my political name. And I said, Why would I do that? I’m not going to do that. So I declined the contract and it has not been published. So there’s that, which is the sequel to Bite, the novella. And then I have this other one called Teamizer, which I actually started in 1984 when I was a student at Boston University.

I came up with this idea that the tea was an evil underground dystopian empire and it had gas that was making people ride to the end of the line, sort of like. He will ride forever neat the streets of Boston he’s the man who never returned charlie the guy. That’s right. And their cards are actually their T cards. Their passes are called Charlie cards. I’m like, I want one of those ever getting off this thing.

Kingston Trio. Yeah. Kingston trio. So that’s called teamizer. And it happens in 1988. And Mike Dukakis is a dystopian bad guy who’s trying to take over the planet by getting everybody out of their regular cars into a tank. Public transportation. And I came up with it. I didn’t have the idea for, like, you know how they had cash for clunkers? All right, well, I had that concept in there in 1988.

I started writing this novel in 1988, the Teamizer novel, and he’s called Teamizer. Like heat, miser and snowmiser. They miser their tokens. They won’t pay their tokens because they have fingerprints on them and they track. So I had this idea that, yeah, they will give everybody a pass for the public transit, because he wants everybody on public transit. It’s infused with gas and hypnotizes everybody to love the government.

And they’ll have people trade in their gas guzzling carbon emission cars for these public transit things. And I was thinking about that in 1988. Right. But I didn’t have a title for it. Way ahead of your time. That’s great. Oh, yeah. It was nuts. And so when they had the cash for clunkers, I wrote after the fact. I went back in and call it T for Trashers. The tea pass.

The Boston Tea Pass is t for trashers. So the guy comes back. Yeah, the main character comes back from vacation, and his girlfriend has sold his car. He’s like, I got to get to work. Where’s my car? She’s like, I sold it, man. You got a T pass. Yeah, that’s where we’re headed for sure. We’re almost out of time. Tell everybody where they can find you. And again, I would also recommend people to go to thenightsofthestorm.

com, and they’ll see schedules for Guard for this show, for many shows as well as their many shows. But tell people where they can find you. Again, Guard. Okay, yeah. Well, first thing I’ll say, I’ll mention again, it looks like tonight. Tonight I’ll be going live at Liberty Conspiracy, as I do every Monday through Friday starting at six on Rumble and Rockfin, and on my Twitter feed at Guard.

Goldsmith. G-A-R-D goldsmith. Not NewsGuard, thank goodness. Yes and no. Michael Hayden behind me, that’s for sure. Although we’re both bald. So 06:00, Monday through Friday. Rockfin and Rumble for Liberty conspiracy. And also my substac. Gardner Goldsmith substack. Then I should know by 06:00 tonight if the free Talk Live stuff goes out there. That’ll be on all GCN Network affiliated stations, as long as they pick it up at 07:00 tonight.

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I’ll do that on monday because we’re out of time. But I just want to thank you all, thank you for the support. This month we are donor supported. That is the bulk of what happens with this, especially since the advertising thing with pride Month. So thank you so much for the support and I’ll get those names. I’ll read those out on Monday. Thank you all. Have a great weekend and thank you guard.

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