➡ The article discusses the political climate in Poland, focusing on the contrast between the conservative and liberal sides. It highlights the victory of Mr. Novrotsky, chairman of the Institute for National Remembrance, who is seen as a symbol of patriotism and resistance against the EU’s centralization plans. The article also mentions the challenges faced by Warsaw’s president, Mr. Traskowski, due to his association with controversial figures. Lastly, it emphasizes the importance of Poland’s sovereignty and its potential role as a partner to the United States.

➡ The article discusses political tensions in Poland, focusing on a politician named Tusk who has been accused of manipulating the system for his own benefit. Despite legal constraints, Tusk has been involved in various controversial actions, including attempts to arrest political opponents. However, the public is becoming more cautious of his actions, and there are predictions of a reckoning. The article also mentions concerns about the potential for these issues to be replicated in other countries, suggesting that Poland is being used as a testing ground for political experimentation.

➡ The text discusses Poland’s strong stance against illegal immigration and the challenges it faces due to the migration pact and green deal passed by the European Union. It also highlights Poland’s historical ties with the United States and its role as a reliable ally. The speaker represents a legal think tank, Ordo Jurus, which analyzes EU and Polish laws, fights for life, and protects families in court. The organization is also expanding its work to Africa to uphold conservative, pro-life, and pro-family values.

Chris. I’m Chris Farrell, and this is on watch. Welcome to OnWatch, everybody. The judicial Watch podcast where we go behind the headlines to cover news and information that the old legacy media really does not want you to know about. We try to recover some lost history. We try to explain the inexplicable. We’ve got a real treat for you today. Joining us live from Warsaw, Poland, is our good friend Zbigniew Przybolowski from an organization called Ordo Urus. It’s an institute for legal culture in Warsaw. Zbigniew, welcome to OnWatch. Glad to be here. It’s a pleasure and an honor to be here to speak with you and to be on Judicial Watch.

Thank you very much. Hey, there’s some big news out of Poland that some Americans are probably paying close attention to, but I really want to focus everyone’s attention on what’s happening in Poland because it has a big impact on the rest of Europe, the European Union more broadly, and also our relationship with our good NATO ally and friend, Poland. And that is that a couple of weeks back, actually, I guess, really about 10 days ago, you folks had an election, a very important election for president. And fill us in, what happened on this big presidential election in Poland.

Yeah. So when we last spoke in Budapest, it seemed that the election was up in the air. This was the second round of the election in Poland. There are two rounds. If the candidate, if a winning candidate does not secure 50% support of the electorate. Right. Presidential election in Poland is very important because this is the only election where the electorate votes directly for a politician, for a candidate. So a person that becomes a president has a very strong democratic mandate from the population. This last election, there were 16 candidates running for the election and there were a couple of main contenders.

And one of the contenders was Mr. Novrotsky, who won the election. And he is a nonpartisan candidate. He was a nonpartisan candidate. He was supported by the major opposition party that used to rule Poland for the last eight years. But he’s not a member of the party. And although everybody assumed that he represents Law and Justice, the party that ruled, he is not, formally speaking, a member of the party. So in the first round of the election, he was a winner by slight margin. And then there were a couple of right wing candidates that also gathered a large support of the electorate.

So it seemed after the first round of the election that the right wing candidate and right wing, I mean, a person who represents patriotism, religion, pro family, pro life stances, which is an interesting distinction because this is probably more of a linguistic thing than anything else. A lot of times the term right wing in America is used in the pejorative. It’s used as a way to sort of marginalize or trivialize somebody as being a kook or somebody who’s on the extreme. And that’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about somebody who, who in American parlance would be a conservative.

And I know that that doesn’t always translate very well. My friends in Argentina, if you say conservative to them, that means something entirely different. But so right wing, meaning a center right or conservative political persuasion or ideology. Is that accurate? Correct, Correct. So, you know, right wing is a curse word in Europe as well. If they want to disqualify you in the eyes of the public, they’re calling you right. Win. But there are only two sides of the political scene, the right and the left. The left stands for big government, taking freedom away from people and feeding them, you know, taking their money and then feeding them for their money.

The right wing. So the right wing of the political scene are the people who say no. Individuals are smart and strong. They can take care of themselves. We don’t need to take their money away from them. They will do just fine. So in that perspective, I am not shy of saying somebody’s right to the center. Absolutely. We’re on the same sheet of music. Right. And then, and then also. And then also you hear, you hear people saying that Adolf Hitler was a right winger. Right. He was a socialist. Exactly. Yeah. So national socialism, I mean, that’s.

Everyone leaves that out, but that’s exactly what the problem is. Right, Right. Right. So they use these acronyms like Nazis. Yeah, because that doesn’t say that he was a socialist. Right. But these terms don’t really mean much anymore. But we have to somehow differentiate ourselves, ourselves from the other side. And the other side is extremely progressive, is pro trans movements, is pro mass immigration, is against national identity, is against patriotism and nation states. And the face of that movement, the face of that movement in Warsaw is Donald Tusk, the Prime minister. Is that an accurate analysis or statement? Yes.

So that monster has a couple of faces, but the biggest one is who you mentioned, Donald Tusk. So he is the person that spent eight years in exile in the EU when peace won the last election and he got some lucrative jobs in Brussels and he came back to retake the power in Poland in 2023. And he managed to do that with the support of his friends and colleagues from the European Union. From Brussels and Berlin. But there are other faces. And one of the faces is the mayor of Warsaw, Mr. Rafael Traskowski. And Mr. Rafael Traskowski is the person who stands for everything that is extreme liberal, extreme left, extreme ideological.

And that was the chief opponent of Mr. Novrotsky. Correct, correct. So that’s really. That’s the big runoff 10 days ago. That’s correct, that’s correct. And the big runoff was a little bit tricky because Mr. Novrotsky, being the contender that had the support of the Law and Justice Party, would have to also get support of some other center of right groups and parties. And these groups included people who were opposed to the war in Ukraine, for instance, and people who were against immigration, legal or illegal. And both of these cases, the former ruling party did not come with stellar, you know, marks, stellar notes, if you will.

Right. And so that’s. So that’s one thing. And so when it came to the second round of the election, some of these people said, no, we are not going to support law and justice. And there was also an issue of some right wing publications that were being shut down by God knows who unknown parties during the law and justice term. And these people also were saying, no, no, we’re not going to support Mr. Novrotsky. However, Mr. Novrotsky is a solid conservative in the American parlance, and a person of a family, a person who has a history of standing up for patriotism.

He was a president of the Institute for National Remembrance. So this is an institution that commemorates the atrocities that were committed on the Polish nation. It also has a prosecutorial branch that still is prosecuting people who perpetrated crimes against humanity. Other crimes are subject to statute of limitations. I just want to pause here for a second and just sort of remind the American viewing and listening audience of Poland’s. I hate to put it this way, but it is a long and very tortured sad history of various crimes being committed against the Polish people, whether it was Soviets or Nazis.

In the last, you could pick, it could be centuries, frankly. But let’s just say in the last hundred years there is a very brutal treatment of the Polish people. And I believe, at least in my impression, my study, my experience, that the polls have been very good about accountability, about remembrance and about forcing justice in this case, making there be some accountability and some historical accounting of the incredible brutality that was leveled against the Polish people. Yeah. With the caveat that most of the perpetrators were foreigners. So in the last century it was Germans and Russians who are beyond the scope, beyond the sphere of our possibilities to hold them accountable.

So, for instance, you still have libraries and work of art that is being held in Germany or in Russia that was stolen, pillaged from Poland 300 years ago. 50 years ago. No, 50, no, but eight, 80 years ago. And so we’re having a problem with accountability for that now. You know, I like to think of our history as of a history of one’s greatness, a republic. Because Poland, although it was called the kingdom of Poland, was a republic where we elected our king to the throne. Since 1576, it was a free election of all citizens and it was owned by the citizens, and the citizens were about 15% of the population, and they were owners of the state.

When they lost the state, they refused to acknowledge that and they fought for it for centuries. Right, right. And you’re fighting today. And that’s really, I guess the lesson of this last election is that the fight continues and there’s still elements and forces out there, some of them foreign, who attempt to pressure and squeeze Poland. Yes, that’s correct. So that’s correct. There’s one of sayings that is being repeated by people on the conservative side. I’m going to avoid the right way to confuse the viewers. So on the conservative side, there’s a saying that today the third generation of the Home army soldiers.

So the underground soldiers of the Polish state is fighting the third generation of the Communists. Yeah, I think that’s a very apartment That’s a very apt, very accurate description. And that was also reflected in this election. So Mr. Novrotsky is a person who is a chairman of the Institute for National remembrance and, you know, commemorates the fighters and sort of takes care of the good memory of the soldiers. Mr. Traskovsky, on the other hand, is a person in whose inner circle are people that have a very shady past. So, for instance, a person that is associated with, in some sort connected with the assassination of a priest under Communist times.

So these are very unpleasant climates. But, you know, Mr. Traskowski is a president of Warsaw for a long time now it’s his second term, that he’s the president of Warsaw. And Warsaw is a city of newcomers. You know, during the last war, it was totaled. So if you had a chance to watch the Pianist by Roman Polanski, it describes the story of a person that was a Jewish origin, a Polish of a Jewish origin that was hiding in Warsaw. And first he saw the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto in 1943, and then he saw the destruction of the rest of Warsaw in 1944 in the Warsaw Uprising.

And then he survived in the sea of ruins. And everybody who lives in Warsaw right now, or most of the people who live in Warsaw right now are people from the outside. People who came here, you know, left their families, left their traditions, and are now living sort of detached from their roots, from their families. So they’re not very conservative. They’re like, you know, city dwellers of all major cities. Yeah, that’s a for. The term that is used sometimes is deracination. People that are uprooted in some way and they don’t have a solid foundation in, you know, they can’t tell you, or the place where they live is not the place where their grandparents are buried.

And there’s sort of a connection there. I can tell you that I did visit the Uprising museum in Warsaw a few weeks back when I was visiting there. And it is a fantastic museum. Anybody traveling to Europe needs to make a stop in Warsaw and see that Uprising museum. It is very moving and tells a very profound story of the bravery of what the Polish Home army was doing in the last days of the war. But do not forget that plane that sits there, that’s an American plane. And, you know, it also commemorates the bravery of American pilots and British pilots who were flying, you know, thousands of miles, dropping their supplies to the uprising and then flying back.

And only a fraction of them made it back home because the Soviets would not let them land on the other side of the river, literally kilometer away. Right. And of course, the Soviets sat there. Excuse me. Sat there and watched the Poles be slaughtered by the Germans, the supposed allies from the Soviet Union. So another bitter story of betrayal, but point well made. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, we are looking forward into the future. We want to forget the past. We want to build friendships, we want to build connections. It doesn’t always happen because it takes two to tango.

And, you know, we try to live and build the greatness of our country again in connection and in collaboration with other people and other nations who want that. So that victory of Mr. Novrotsky, I think is an important thing, not just to the Poles, but to all patriots in Europe, because it gives a signal that if you put up a fight, you’re not going to end up like the Romanians that were deprived of their rightfully elected. Exactly, exactly. That’s a very profound message that a number of countries need to hear loud and clear. Brussels needs to hear it loud and clear.

You’re not going to strong arm a country out of a president that they decide to elect through their own electoral process. Yeah, I think Brussels Sort of, kind of knows and understand that and works very hard to make their plan. That’s reality, you know, and they have helpers in all the individual countries, like, you know, people who are, who are threatening to put Salvini in jail, people who are threatening to put Marine Le Pen in jail. Right. And people who are threatening to outlaw the alternative here, Deutschland, the alternative for Germany. Right. So all the parties of whatever, whatever convictions they have, they are still patriotics.

They are fighting for their country. So I think on one level, it is important for the Europeans that Mr. Novrotsky won. And what it does to the political scene in Poland is it makes it impossible for the pro EU faction, maybe I should just say pro globalist faction, because EU is a transnational supranational organization that is being run by elites that are detached from their populations. They’re working in their own best interest. They do not represent, at least this is how we feel, they do not represent the interest of the people who put them in power.

And some of these institutions are unelected. So the most powerful institution in the European Union, the European Commission, is unelected. They are being nominated by politicians, by the largest party that won the political elections. And so, you know, that victory, that victory of Mr. Novrotsky is also an assurance that we are not going to have an easy transition to the plans that the EU has. And the plan is to make changes to the treaties of the EU and to centralize it in a radical way. So right before the elections in 2023, I believe it was, they published a plan of 267amendments to the treaty.

Imagine 267amendments to the UN. Mind boggling. Yeah. I mean, one amendment is tough enough. 267 is. I mean, that’s overload. Yeah. But it’s only tough if it is decided by the people. If it’s only if it has to be voted by the states, if it has to be voted by the population, but if it’s pushed through by the parliament and then enforced somehow through the processes by the bureaucrats, it’s not so difficult. But what it would do is it would create a highly centralized state and everything would be run from Brussels. And, you know, this is another attempt to build an empire here in Europe that doesn’t serve anybody but the elite.

Right. So the victory of Mr. Novrotsky is a chance that this plan is not going to work in Poland because we would have to have two thirds of the parliament voting for it or a national referendum to implement the changes to the treaties. So in that respect, this is good also from the American standpoint, because the transnational globalist organization is not going to become stronger, hopefully, and then there will be a partner to the United States in Poland. I think this is very important because it seems like we are facing the same threats throughout the world.

So if you are talking about an attack on the national sovereignty of Poland, I can see that to a degree being done in the United States. The same plot with the migration, with the immigration that is being done in the US it has been done in the Western Europe, and right now we are next in line. Okay. The same concepts that you need to put the nation in that to such a degree that it will be dependent on national or state support, you know, and it will control all your property. That’s also being done here. Right, right.

They want to withhold subsidies or withhold their, the EU’s, you know, their beneficence. Right. Their desire to bestow upon you certain either rights or money, and they’ll decide whether you deserve it or not. And that’s extraordinarily dangerous. Hey, let me ask you a question. I think it’s more of a domestic issue, but. Mr. The election of President Novrotsky. What’s the message to Mr. Tusk? What has he learned? What does he have to deal with now? Well, as we speak, there is a process undergoing, going on in the Parliament, a process of vote of confidence. Right. Or the government of Mr.

Tusk. So because of that defeat, he had a need to convince the outside world of his mandate to actually rule the country. And so he subjected himself to a vote of confidence. There’s been discussions about that in the morning in the Parliament and he’s been criticized, you know, from all directions. The vote will probably give him the vote of confidence, but he is in a much weaker position than he was before and he’s going to be relying more and more on the outside support. And his government is a coalition government. So he has, in his party, sorry, in his government he has parties that are dependent on the support of the farmers, the support of, you know, moderates who did not want to identify with either side of the big political divide.

These people run away from this, so from this government. So he’s in a tough spot right now and he will have to tread carefully. He’s been very aggressive. In the period before the election, I had the occasion to meet with and I ended up publicly defending a former deputy justice minister in Poland, a gentleman named Marcin Romanowski, who essentially had to flee the country and seek asylum in Hungary because Tusk and his various political allies and operatives were going after him. Will Tusk still have the ability to. To engage in lawfare or to manipulate the system for political benefit like that? So he did not have, legally speaking, he did not have that possibility before.

He has done it against the law. Yeah, I was going to say it doesn’t appear to stop him. He doesn’t appear to be constrained by the law in any way. Correct. Will the election now kind of put him back in his place or is he still going to be able to run wild? I think. I think it will slow him down. So Mr. Tusk is a very. Is a very cunning player. So he did not put his name and his face to the arrests. This was not just one attempt. There was an attempt to arrest former Justice Minister.

There were MPs that are being that were arrested and held in prison for a couple of months. You know, there was an illegal siege and seizure of the Polish state tv. There was a seizure of the main judicial body in Poland. So. Main prosecutorial body in Poland. So he was not preoccupied with the legal constraints. But now it seems that since the vox populi is turning away from him, that people will be much more cautious because a lot of these things are done with the threat of jail sentences behind them. So they are breaking the law.

And they should be aware that a reckoning is coming this spring. The chief of the Polish Constitutional Tribunal, so the highest Polish legal authority that adjudicates matters of constitution, whether laws are constitutional or not, has said publicly that Poland is witnessing a creeping coup d’ etat, that the government is breaking the constitution, destroying the, in essence, destroying the legal order in order to maintain power. And they are doing this, and they’ve been proclaiming that they will be doing this even before the election. They are talking about transitional period justice, where you don’t have to be preoccupied with the laws.

You can just arrest people and then make it legal afterwards. And they’re talking about militant democracy. So a democracy that is not preoccupied with the rules of democracy, it will make them right afterwards, after the election. I mean, those are two very dangerous terms. This militant democracy is code language for a revolution just like this transitional period of. What was the transitional period of justice. Transitional justice. Right, yeah. Transitional period justice. Yeah. This is a dog whistle to every Bolshevik out there to, you know, man the barricades. This is really. That’s a crazy level of political revolution.

I mean, they use nice words to kind of smooth it over. But the real meaning of that, the Underlying meaning is very radical and very dangerous. Does President Novrotsky, does he have the authority to appoint, I don’t know, a special prosecutor or somebody to examine what’s been going on? Does he have, I’m not sure, the constitutional framework, whether he has the ability to essentially blow the whistle and make it public that this is not going to be accepted in Poland. So he does not have legal authority to do these things. The presidential position in Poland is, to a large extent, a representative position.

So the person who’s occupying that post represents the majesty of the state. But he has a couple of very important roles, and one of them is he needs to sign all the laws that are passed by the parliament. If he refuses to sign them, they are vetoed. In order to overcome the veto, the parliament will have to vote with two thirds majority. Okay. And so, and so I think the situation is as follows. He can speak about it and he can speak loudly about this. And if a president speaks about that, it cannot be ignored by our allies.

Right. So, you know, Berlin and Brussels will close their eyes and think that everything’s fine, but not everybody, not everybody will do that. And, you know, I think one thing that is very important as well is the support, not maybe from the government, but the support from the American people and various organizations that were saying, we are not going to let the left wing do to Poland what they did to Romania. Right. Was important, was important. A number of people were alarmed that, you know, we cannot go in that direction anymore. So this is a very important thing.

So if Mr. Novrotsky speaks about it and if he has the support of the US President, no serious harm is going to be happening to politicians that did not do anything wrong as it might have until until now. So I think. But the interesting thing is that, you know, Poland is a relatively small country, and these concepts are being tested in countries like Poland. That’s the key. That is the key right there. The leftist and the globalist. The United States. Yeah. They want to see if they can get away with it. That is the, you know, it’s a testbed.

It’s a laboratory for political experimentation. And they think if they can get away with it here, they can push the margin, stretch the law, try to get away with things. And that’s exactly what the objective is. That’s the goal of the globalists because, you know, they’ll try it there. Look, we’ve had a president return to office that tried to bankrupt him, they tried to jail him, and they tried to kill him a couple of times. So we know all about, we know all the tricks. Right. And when we see this kind of stuff happen overseas with our friends and allies, people who we share an awful lot of background and history with, there’s many, many Poles, people of Polish ethnicity living in the United States, there’s a lot of connection and a lot of history.

The guys that are trying to push the margins on this, they have a broader view of what they want to do, whether it’s one election cycle or 10 years down the road. Right, right, right. And so I think that they ran the Romanian scenario in Romania, hoping to repeat it in other places. When serious voices in the west spoke against it, it turned out it’s not possible to do it. But there’s still discussions right now that, oh, the election was stolen, there were irregularities. So it’s relatively easy to verify because we have paper ballots, we have in person voting.

There could be some shenanigans with that, but it’s much more difficult to hide anything inappropriate than if it was happening in the belly of the computer. Yeah. And you don’t have an election. You have an election day, not the insanity of the United States that has an election season that runs for, in some cases, weeks, like in California. So thank goodness cooler heads prevail in Warsaw on that issue. Yes, yes. And, you know, you say election day, it’s election day From, I think, 6:00′ clock until 9:00′ clock in the evening, and then after that, no votes are permitted.

If you are in the election day building, then you can cast your vote. If you are outside, you can’t. And the election. So the exit polls are telling you with a high probability who won the election on that day. On the next day, on each of the election points, there is a name of the winner and the number of votes posted. All these are transferred overnight to the Electoral Commission. The commission gathers these votes and then in a couple of days. In this particular election, because it was a single election, just the presidential election, they announced the winner the next day.

Yeah. I noted with some great interest that on the night of the election, I was watching BBC News, I use the word news advisedly. But the BBC broadcasters, they were giddy. They were practically jumping up and down and clapping because the exit polling that they were citing showed that the leftists, the Warsaw mayor was supposedly in the lead by a small margin. And they did their very best to pretend they were being evenhanded. And they said, oh, well, of course we don’t have a final number yet, but. And they would get all excited and say, you know, Novrotsky’s the loser.

He’s not going to possibly pull this off. And only interviewing people from the left. All the usual tricks to try to skew the outcome. And then I was very pleased to see the opposite occur. But BBC, let me tell you, the mask. The mask slipped on election night. You can see exactly what their objectives were. Well, it was one of the more pleasant moments this year when you see people like BBC disappointed. But, you know, a telling sign on the election night was that there was a large number of people who refused to give the information about who they voted for.

I see, I see. Yeah. And those who refused, refused because they voted for Mr. Navrovsky. You know, if somebody tells me, oh, I voted for Mr. Shaskovsky, okay, well, my opinion, you made a wrong decision. But that’s what she did. If somebody says, I voted for Mr. Novrotsky, oh, the reaction is not as peaceful, I’m sure, much more hostile. So there’s a couple of big issues on the table for Poland as a nation, but even more broadly for the European Union and sort of consequences. Give me your take, if you can, on what does it mean for the migration pact, for the agreement of how to deal with migrants in the eu.

And Poland’s always had a very strong position on illegal immigration. He simply would not stand for it. But. And any other sort of. Sort of last points that we should touch on that Americans should be aware of as a positive consequence of this election? Well, the migration pact and the green deal are, I’m afraid, passed by the European Union, and they are binding on us. So we will have to fight our way out of them. Right. What we could do is we could pay penalties for every migrant that we refuse to accept. We could pay for penalties.

But, you know, right now, even before the migration pact becomes effective, we see people being shipped from Germany illegally, sometimes with the help of the German police, across the border. A German police minivan drives across the border, dumps six, seven people and leaves. And these people come from places like, I don’t know, Somalia and other good places like that, and they are illegal in Germany, and they are being transported to Poland without any documentation, without anything. I was under the impression that. I was under the impression that there were at least nine other EU countries that we’re sort of banding together to push back against that migration, migration pact, that there’s now a unified effort to say, we know that you passed it, but there’s got to be a revision.

There’s got to be an exception. Right. So there Is there is a group of countries that is protesting that. But you know, you need to have a critical mass in order to, because you need to change the legislation that is already passed. So it’s not going to be easy, but it’s not hopeless. Now with the new president, you know, we cannot pass laws that will make outrageous decisions. So for instance, the migration pact that was signed is providing for a migrant to get benefits, social benefits in Poland at the level of Western Europe, which would make it undesirable for them to go back to Western Europe.

But that level is much higher than anybody in Poland ever receives. Right, right. So we would have to pay from our money much higher support to migrants, to immigrants than, than we do to our own citizens, which is insanity. Let me just say one, one, one thing because you mentioned, you mentioned about our historical connections in Tyson. So not a lot of people in the States are aware of that, but Poland has a, a long standing positive connection to the United states. So after 124 years in captivity and a number of uprisings, a lot of efforts and blood spilled, we were able to gain our independence in 1918.

And one of the major factors that helped us was the 14 points of President Wilson, the 13th of which was that there needs to be an independent Poland with access to this sea. It would have been much more difficult for us to defend our independence against the Soviets if it wasn’t for that. Of course, we did fight the battle of Warsaw, the miracle on the Vistula where we defeated the Bolshevik army. But the borders still needed to be approved by the victory, you know, victorious powers. Yes. And to large degree thanks to the Americans. And also after the war, a large portion of the war was fought on Polish territory.

That’s why we don’t want any wars in this part of Europe. We don’t want anything being done on our territory because after the war there were many people who were in danger of starvation to death. Right. And with the American support, with President Hoover’s action, we were able. A forgotten hero, Herbert Hoover fed Europe and people forget that somehow. But you’re correct. You’re exactly correct. He’s a magnificent man. It’s a long memory of that, you know, and we commemorate both President Wilson and President Hoover, you know, with their own squares in Warsaw in the center of the city.

And you know, the Poles are a reliable ally to the United States, but we need to be playing on the same playing field as the other countries. And I think we are fighting in the same fight. It’s a global fight. And I think the United States can rely on Poland as a faithful ally. And I think with the environment today, the United States do need allies. I could not possibly agree with you anymore, Zbigniew. If people want to follow the work of Ordo Jurus or anything that you’re working on, your writing or your interviews, how can people find Ordo Juris and your work either on social media or on the Internet? Where can they go? So ordouris.org Ordo O R D O I U R-I-S.org is the website in English.

And you, you can find the reports that we’re writing, the publications there on site. I’m not very active on social media, but on our website you’ll find a link to the social media of our organization. We are a legal think tank. We are analyzing the laws of the European Union and Poland. We are publishing reports and we are also fighting for life. We are also very active in litigation, in pro life cases, protecting families in courts and stuff like that. And we are also organizing international coalition to fight in the courts of human rights against some of the legislation that is being forced against life and against family.

So we just visited Africa and we set up our branch in Arusha, Tanzania, where they have their African courts of human and people’s rights. And we are looking to get involvement from African organizations so that their voices be heard, their values be respected. And the Africans are very conservative and pro life and pro family. That is fantastic work and much needed. And you have a friend and an allied organization here, not just with myself, but with my colleagues here at Traditional Watch who are on the same sheet of music with you. We appreciate and we value the work you do.

And we will also put a link in, in the show notes describing this episode that will embed a link and send people your way so they can learn more about the excellent work of your organization. Zbigniew Przyzbolowski of the Ordo Urus in Warsaw, Poland. Thank you so much for joining us today. We appreciate it. Thank you very much, Chris, for the invitation and you know, remember, so we’re praying for peace in America. We’re praying that the social unrest stops. It is orchestrated by evil forces from the shadows of Mordor. And we’re rooting for this administration to win because if the United States can protect itself as a nation state, we have hope.

If you fall, we’re gone. Amen. And thank you very much for those kind wishes and prayers. We appreciate it. Thank you. I’m Chris Farrell on the.
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