➡ The speaker, a former educator, questions the value of traditional university education, citing its high cost, excessive management, and potential for waste. She suggests that practical experience, like apprenticeships, can often provide more valuable learning and financial benefits. She also highlights the potential of self-directed learning, where individuals learn independently, driven by their own curiosity. The speaker encourages critical thinking and exploration of alternative educational paths, such as online resources or trade careers, instead of relying solely on formal education.

➡ Peggy, a passionate advocate for individual rights, has been providing resources to help people navigate the restrictions imposed during the pandemic. She believes that the government overstepped its authority by closing businesses and churches, and she has been educating people about their rights under public accommodations law. Peggy has created informational materials, including cards that people can show to assert their rights in public places. Her work has empowered many people, giving them the confidence to stand up for their rights and continue their daily activities despite the restrictions.

➡ The text discusses the impact of COVID-19 restrictions on businesses and individuals, particularly in California and North Carolina. It highlights how some people felt oppressed by the rules and sought help to resist them. The text also mentions lawsuits against businesses that defied the restrictions, and how some employees refused to comply with mandates they disagreed with. Lastly, it touches on the difficulty of finding attorneys to take on these cases, but suggests that as larger payouts are awarded, more lawyers might be interested.

➡ Many employees are standing up against their employers, refusing to comply with certain health-related demands based on their personal beliefs. Some employers reject these objections, leading to wrongful termination lawsuits. These cases often focus on the sincerity of the employee’s beliefs, and some have resulted in settlements or jury awards. However, the process can be challenging and costly, and some employees choose to settle to avoid the stress of a lawsuit.

➡ The speaker emphasizes the importance of standing up for one’s rights and not letting them be overshadowed by the phrase “follow the science”. She believes that laws should not be in conflict with science and that they are meant to protect our inherent rights. She also encourages people to educate themselves about their rights and to question the narratives that are presented to them. Lastly, she highlights the need for accountability in both science and law to prevent corruption and misuse.

I personally would recommend really looking carefully at a college education. It takes you out of your ability to earn money for several years, are going to be taking loans that are government loans that are never forgiven, even in bankruptcy. And what I’ve really realized is that these universities are just another arm of the government. Welcome to the True health report. I’m Dr. Andy Kaufman, recovering physician, plandemic whistleblower, natural healing pedagogue, and legal code talker. You can call me the Truth Doctor. My mission is to shift your paradigm as we dive into radical forensic dissections, discerning fact from fiction, science from pseudoscience, medicine from poison, law from legal fiction, and individualism from collectivism.

This podcast is your channel for unraveling the truth about health and science. Together, we’ll challenge the narratives, expose the fallacies, and empower you to become your own health authority. This is the True Health Report, where critical appraisal fuels true freedom. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the True Health Report. I’m your host, Dr. Andrew Kaufman. Tonight’s issue, what if you didn’t have to comply with health mandates that don’t align with your beliefs? Well, the law is actually on your side. And so is my guest today, Peggy Hall. Peggy has been an amazing advocate for justice in the era of the pandemic.

And her website, thehealthyamerican.org and her podcast on YouTube have been instrumental in educating people about their rights, how to advocate themself, and how to deal with the injustices that we faced during the pandemic years. So please welcome to the stage miss Peggy Hall. I am so happy to be here. Thank you. Oh, it’s really a pleasure. And I couldn’t think of a better guest to come on and talk about the relationship between health and justice. So, Peggy, I’d like to introduce a little bit of how you came onto this stage. So can you tell us, you know, when did you first become interested in law, the Constitution, our rights and such, perhaps as an academic subject or as something that you wanted to take direct action in? I think I was about in fourth grade, actually.

We had a. What was called back then, a foreign exchange student. And I grew up in Orange County, California, and I really didn’t know anybody that looked different than me. And we had a boy that was from Samoa, and he looked different than the rest of us. He had an accent. He had different cultural traditions and so forth. And sadly, as fourth graders often will do, they will tease and poke fun and make jokes. And I was mortified. I felt for this, you know, Boy, and I thought, how horrible to be treated like this. Just because you look different, you speak different, you act differently.

And I always had within me just this desire to help the underdog, so to speak. And I think that really was my first awakening at a young age of sort of, this isn’t fair and this isn’t right. So I guess that could fall in the category of justice or caring for your rights or doing the right thing. I guess could be other phrases as well. And that was the first memory that I had of really wanting to tell others, you know, this, this isn’t right. Like we all, we all should care about. Well, let me put it this way, everyone is different and that’s okay.

And I wanted later to kind of make that be a broader message. And so when I went into my college studies, I decided to study political science because I was interested in political systems in different cultures. Why there are laws, why we obey authority, who has the right to tell us what to do. I just was one of those people that was really interested in government and how it works. And back in the day we had classes called civics. And I don’t even think civics is taught anymore the way it was when I was in school.

So I’ve always been fascinated about governments, different cultures, people from different countries. And that propelled me kind of forward in my path. And then an interesting thing happened to me when I was doing my political science studies and one of the classes I took was called the Mock Congress. Now I’m not talking about mocking congress, there’s plenty of mocking we can do. And this was another one of these seminal moments that I would say, so fourth grade and then maybe my sophomore year in college where we were all assigned different roles and we were either a congressperson or we were a lobbyist.

And we literally were going to act this out throughout the. It was on a quarter system, throughout the entire quarter, University of California. And we were going to have meetings and we would have special interests that we wanted to push through. And I remember going to the first actual event where we had these roles and we were supposed to be diplomatic and making alliances and I literally could not participate. I felt that this just wasn’t for me. I couldn’t pretend that I was on someone’s side that I really wasn’t. I didn’t care for the glad handing and the trying to get someone’s favoritism.

And I looked around at the other people that were loving it, that probably today are our senators and congressmen. And I realized that a career in politics, at least in the way I was being introduced to it, was not going to be for me. So then I shifted gears and I thought, well, I’ll just go on to law school because I really am interested in. In truth and justice and fairness. I love to debate. I love to draw conclusions from evidence. I love critical thinking. I love to analyze and research. And I thought, this is perfect for me.

I love to speak. So I thought, this is great. I am going to be on the side of justice and as life takes its turns and so forth. And I ended up, after doing my bachelor’s degree, I took a year off and I traveled around Europe. And I really started thinking about what it is I wanted to do. And I went back to that first love of different cultures, different societies, people, all of those things that were of an interest of mine. And I decided instead of law school, to go on for a master’s degree in international policy and law.

And so I immersed myself in, oh, you know, Middle Eastern studies. And interestingly, things really haven’t changed in the decades since I was in school. The same problems are there and not a lot of solutions have come forth. Of course, I thought I had all solutions. Peggy, this. It’s a. First of all, it’s fascinating to me that we have so many parallel experiences. Like, for example, the, you know, Congress that you talked about that you did in college. So we had in high school, and this was like, throughout the ent. York City school system and even outside counties, there was model Congress club.

And we would go for, like, weekend long trips and we would be, you know, in various committees, either be in the House or the Senate, and people would propose bills and we would debate them and then bring them to the House floor. Right. The same process, but we didn’t use lobbyists and we didn’t have the jaded understanding of how the political system really works like it sounds like you did. So it was more of an organic experience of, you know, debate and consensus building. And what happened was, is that in the debates, if you really made the best points, people voted for your, you know, in your favor.

And so it’s such a contrast with your experience in the. The university level, right, where you’re basically using all of the influence and the manipulation of the real political system, whereas we were just, like, trying to make decisions about how to live. And we did it in a way that was generally favorable and fair, but in reality. Right. It’s more like college. So what. What’s your opinion of university education these days? Like, you know, would Would you send your own children to college? Do you have some concerns there? Well, it’s interesting because I wanted to go on for a PhD after I did my master’s degree.

And I just realized when I was doing this, the master’s degree, the liberal approach and the information that was being promoted was something that I just, that wasn’t resonating with me. And I realized I don’t want to be a part of this system. I actually went on to work for the University of California, Irvine as the director of teacher education for their professional development. So after the K12 teachers got their credentials, there was a whole nother load of responsibilities on them. And every year they had to continue their studies and so forth. And that really hit home for me in terms of our educational system is broken.

These teachers have so many demands on them. They are teaching for these tests, standardized tests. They have unbelievable amounts of responsibility outside of just the basics that, you know, students really need. And I tried to salvage what I could. And the classes that I taught about how to teach teachers how to teach was that was always focused on student centered learning, on discovery and exploration, not teaching to a test, not having final exams and so forth. So for many years this was my profession, working in the university system, working in the community college system, working in private universities.

I did that for 30 years, I would say, and every time, you know, I’m a person of optimism and I thought, I can change this, I can have an impact. We can work against the system and make some headway. And perhaps there were successes along the way. I also trained the incoming professors at the university who were teaching in the adult education programs that had never taught before, but they had real life experience, so helping them, you know, create curriculums and syllabi and so forth. So I think that had an impact. But it was a creeping realization all along the way that this is not a good fit for me.

In fact, this entire conglomeration, this entire outfit of teaching and at the university level, I think it’s overpriced. There are too many levels of management. I saw so much waste. I’m not going to call it fraud, although I did have some colleagues that were fired from the university under, you know, fraudulent investigations and so forth. So I personally would recommend really looking carefully. At a college education, it takes you out of your ability to earn money for several years. Unless you were like me and I worked part time, you actually most likely are going to be taking loans that are government loans that are never forgiven, even in bankruptcy court.

Although I guess if if you were. Had these loans under Biden, they were forgiven or tried to be forgiven, and I’m not sure. Temporarily? Yeah, temporarily. And so, yeah, all the plumbers and electricians can pay for the people who went to college. So I really recommend looking at that more carefully. And I. I think there are far better ways. Let me give you a quick example. So in the work that my husband and I have done over the last several years, helping college students, in addition to employees and nursing students and legal immigrants and others, stand by their rights and not become human pin cushions, as I call them, in the work that I did, we had one case in particular that I remember.

There was a young adult, and his mom was paying for him to go to art school in New York, and he was in his junior year, and they were really pressuring him to get vaccinated to be able to stay in the program. If we think back to that, New York and California were some of the most difficult states in order to stand up for your rights. I mean, they really, in the colleges were focusing and, you know, pinpointing these students who were so, I don’t want to say gullible, but they hadn’t lived enough to actually know that they could stand up and speak out and stand up for themselves.

So that’s what we did. We’re having a conversation with the student and his mom, and I asked him, what is it that you want to do with your degree here in. I think it was going to be art history. And he said, well, what I really want to do is I want to work in an art gallery. And I said, oh, tell me more about that. And he started describing his ideal career. And he himself came to the realization on this phone call, and he said to his mom, you know what, Mom, I don’t think I need to stay in school.

I could go get a job now. I could work in this art field. I could get a job in an art studio. He said, I would get more experience working now in an art gallery than I would in school, and I would be making money. I could serve sort of as an apprentice, and I could really learn more practical skills. And he himself made the decision to not complete his degree. And this is not an isolated case. I’ve heard from other students that when they were sent home because the schools were shut down and they didn’t want to continue learning on Zoom, that they decided to actually open their bakery or do what it is that they wanted to do after college and after all those college loans, and now they would have more Money, they would have more experience, they could look for apprenticeships.

And those are all of the things that I recommend. You know, I can’t even find an electrician out here where I live. So people who are thinking about actually a career where they could have, you know, job opportunities galore, it’s not necessarily getting like a liberal arts degree in college. No, I, I completely agree with you. And the way that I currently make a living, everything I learned to do that was not in school at all. Not one thing. Absolutely. And you know, many people, that’s true. In fact, some of the, the most successful business people in our nation’s history either dropped out of school or never went to college because they were already running a business at that age or perhaps it was their third or fourth different enterprise.

Right. And so, and I don’t think, you know, you’re relying too much on your education right now either. Right. Because the thing is, we’re all capable of learning independently. In fact, it’s our nature. Have you ever heard of self organized learning environments? Tell me more about that. So this is based on a British researcher who did experiments in India where he found that if you just supply a small group of children a computer and ask them to answer really difficult questions in a language that they don’t speak at all, that they can basically figure out how to speak your language and answer the questions very thoroughly, all on their own, with only like a grandmother figure to occasionally help them with something on, like on standby.

See that, Dr. Andy? I, I did read about that. It was stunning. Yeah, it’s fascinating. And it won the one million dollar Ted, you know, prize to do further research. And they replicated this in additional rural communities in India and even in the UK in poor communities. And you know, this just demonstrates that we essentially, especially in our younger years, are just sponges. Like our natural curiosity and drive will lead us to acquire all this information and understanding really, without having some teacher figure spoon feed it to us. Right. So if we stimulate that kind of inspiration and motivation in the young people, then really the university education, it becomes superfluous.

Now I do lament the fact that the traditional academic institution as a vehicle of curiosity, debate, fierce debate of entertaining any creative ideas has been really lost, if it ever truly existed. But we do have this virtual world where we can exchange ideas in this way before us. Right. That we don’t have to rely on, you know, buildings that have ivy growing up the side any longer. Exactly. We’re in an amazing time where we have access to unlimited resources and Even in years gone by, there were books, even if we didn’t have the Internet. And what I’ve really realized is that these universities are just another arm of the government.

They are so bloated with different research departments. They’re getting money, our tax dollars actually. And the teaching is secondary. I was, I also taught in a community college, many community colleges where I would have about 50 students. Compare that to a lecture hall. Now this is in California where you have 500. You certainly don’t know the professor. They’re there just reading off, you know, out of their textbook. Then they have TAs that are doing the work. So it’s not. There are superior learning alternatives. And this is one of them. And I will say that this self directed learning and I’ve had several guests on my YouTube channel, the Healthy American speaking about, I don’t really like to call it homeschooling.

I call it freedom learning or lifelong learning or family led learning. There are so many great phrases and there are lots of leaders in this area. And I really believe that, that this revolution in our educational settings, this is what is really going to strengthen our communities, our country. I believe that this is why we are in the fix that we are in. Because children learned to not question authority, to go along with it, to memorize and regurgitate and not be critical thinkers, to do only what was allowed of them during that time. And there are so many superior ways of learning.

So I have heard from many parents that are taking the, you know, first step and they’re removing their children from public school. Do you know in California now in the, you know, post, in the last few years when the schools were closed, I’ve read reports that about a million fewer students have returned to public school in California. And that to me is a huge win. That is, that, that’s tremendous. And you know, this is how my kids learn ever since 2020 as well. And, you know, you, you see them really, you know, they’re different from other kids.

When we’re out in places where there are other, you know, kids their age roaming around, you see a big difference. But here’s the interesting thing is they know how to relate to those kids on their level. That’s great. You know, and they know what maybe some sensitive subjects that maybe you don’t discuss in mixed company. Right. But they have no problem navigating that. And, and it’s just really natural. Peggy, you know, you have, though, taken education far, you know, beyond what’s in formalized schooling or, you know, which is really, we could say is not education. But, you know, you have provided these amazing resources over the past couple of years.

Some, you know, I’ve recommended some of your forms to many people who face situations at their job where they were, you know, asked to suffocate themselves or become pin cushions, as you described. So can you talk a little bit about, like, the ways that you’ve helped people? And I know you still have resources available. We’ll list at the end. And what are some of the outcomes that people have had, like when they’ve taken the, you know, taken it into the court system? Well, let me tell you how I came upon that. When everything was shut down in California In March of 2020, I was looking around saying, this isn’t right there.

The governor doesn’t have the authority to tell me not to go to work. He doesn’t have the authority to close. Well, he could close the schools because they’re government schools. He doesn’t have the authority to close restaurants and businesses and churches, for example. And I remember just doing a quick search online to see under what authority the governor was using to call this emergency. And given my interest in politics and law and research and civics and all of that, I just. I found the Emergency Services act, and I was reading it, and I said, you know, even if.

Even if this was valid, it doesn’t meet the standard of what is required for an emergency, a state of emergency, to happen in California. So what I did is I just made a video, and I actually had to create a YouTube channel. And I was so frustrated trying to talk to people, including a church I had attended. I emailed them saying, you know, there’s no law that you have to close the church. Those who don’t want to show up for fear of getting sick, they can stay home. Others that want to show up, they probably need spiritual care now more than ever.

A lot of people are living in fear and uncertainty, and they’re not sure what’s going on. Their world as they know it, has been shattered intentionally by the media. And I sent maybe three or four emails to different churches in the area to let them know that they could still hold services. And I only heard back, I think, from two who said, oh, thank you for the info, but we are going to close out of an abundance of safety. The one of those phrases that rubs me the wrong way. So I thought, well, I’m getting nowhere with having arguments on Facebook with people they were unfriending me and so forth.

So I made this video to get to a wider Audience and say, look, you have rights. You have a right to go shopping. Breathing oxygen if you own a restaurant, you don’t have to shut it down. And if you have a small business, you can keep it open. And here’s why. And I just simply stated their rights and the California laws. I got so many people emailing me, asking me for help in their state or with their specific situation. And they wanted me to direct them to different resources. So I decided to create things online that people could download or at least link to and so forth.

I think the very first information that I sent out was about this concept of public accommodations. Every private business that is open to the public, like a hair salon or a bakery or a movie theater, including larger places like hospitals and public places like courtrooms and parks and so forth, you have a so called public accommodations right under federal law, that’s it, the public accommodations law. There are federal laws and there are state laws and people got a little confused with the word public. But the definition is not only public places, but private enterprises. They are required to allow you or not even allow you, but you have the right to enter these places if they’re open, just like anyone else.

Breathing oxygen and that was the real sticking point for a lot of people. They couldn’t go grocery shopping, they were unable to go to their gym or I mean, the nail salons are basically closed. And I’m trying to think of places that were really pushing. I call them the suffocation devices because they’re. You’re a doctor, I mean, you know, we don’t need to be doctors to know we only have two airways and we need to keep them unobstructed. And so I started creating little handouts and flyers for people that they could just show a card at Walmart or something and say, hey, I have a right to enter.

You can’t discriminate against me. And that was really powerful. Not the cards themselves, but the confidence that people gained from having a little card that said, and it wasn’t a permission slip, it was an informational card and it had the laws listed. So again, as a teacher, I wanted to educate people how to inform others, and it was very successful. So that just led to more teaching, more research, and then I did a whole series of handouts and breaking down. Peggy, let me. Yeah, if I could interrupt for a minute, I want to, well, just make one comment.

I’m sure you agree with this, but anytime any governmental body declares any kind of emergency, you know that what’s coming right after that is they’re taking something away from you. And that’s essentially the excuse to do that. And we can give countless examples in the history of our nation. And of course, this is no exception. And we may have a drone related emergency coming up any day now as well. But the second thing I want to say is, you know, with respect to the success stories, because I used a similar approach in my area and I was in New York where some places were extremely strict about these rules.

And what I realized over time is that the stores that were run by big corporations like Walmart and Target and the grocery chains, et cetera, they were respecting your rights once, you know, once they understood it. And even, you know, by presenting a card like you were much more likely to be okay there. Especially. I was even offered protection at my local grocery chain, Wegmans, from other shoppers that may, you know, try to harass me for being barefaced. But I. Because as soon as the, the immediate, you know, closures, you know, I know you don’t like the word ld.

Once they ended right, they were like, you know, three or four or six weeks or whatever. I wanted to go and patronize the locally owned stores because I thought they’re hurting for business. They were screwed the most. The big box stores were allowed to stay open. And those stores treated me the worst by far. They would not let me shop, or at one art supply store, I had a whole cart full of art supplies and they would not let me actually buy them. Like they let me walk around the store for 25 minutes. Yeah, that’s, that’s the lack of, of reason and logic.

And I think it has to do with lack of oxygen. They literally. And fear they could. They were not in their right minds. They were thinking irrationally. And the other thing, Dr. Andy, is because they were camouflaged. I, I’m sure there’s something psychologically to this, that because they’re hiding their face, that they could be more of a bully because you couldn’t really see them or identify them. I don’t know if that was intentional, but I, I’m sure that it emboldened them because their, their face was hidden. Yes. No, it. Absolutely. I mean, think about, you know, they had to change laws in many states, including in New York, because it was a criminal offense to go into certain buildings with wearing a mask like a bank.

Exactly. And now, you know, because I, I have a little hobby. I study like police encounters and self defense encounters. And I have noticed that many criminals since COVID they are like going into stores, pretending they’re wearing Covid type masks, but as a pretense for an armed robbery. That’s horrible. Yeah. My bank had a sign you had to wear a mask and it said remove your sunglasses and hat. I’m like, oh, that’s really going on now. I am on the record. Never have, never will. I was in California, but I was in Orange county and we had pockets of freedom and we really were a very, I would say New York and California were, were two of the most vocal states in pushing back.

And I think it’s because they, the oppression and the tyranny was just so extreme. But I never participated. And, and I know that they’re like Los Angeles, San Francisco, even San Diego, Santa Barbara. These cities that people know, that many people have visited on vacation, beautiful places that have just become like dictatorships. They’re just oppressive and hostile, which is so unfortunate. And I call it decline by design or destruction by design. There truly is a decimation of these communities there. And people really fell for it hook, line and sinker. You know, another people that reached out to me, one of the states that I was shocked at the number of people that reached out to me for help in keeping their jobs without wearing a mask.

This is before the vaccines came on the scene. And that was North Carolina. So interesting to me because I look at the south and I know that North Carolina has a, has had a Democrat mayor for governor for some time. But the number of people from that state, it was astounding to me. And I’m like, what is going on there? And they said, well, we’re, we’re like live and let live. We’re country folk. We’re, we’re self sufficient. So we are not used to this kind of oppression and tyranny and authority. And the people were just trying to get help, going to go grocery shopping.

And I realized, oh, this is widespread and this is not there. As you say, there’s a different agenda at foot. And one of the most harmful fallouts of all of this in my view is even healthy Americans, people that are freedom fighters, they’re still a part of them that for some people, they still believe that these governors and even the president and mayors and so forth have the authority to tell you what to do. Like a president has no authority to dictate your personal behavior. Only laws can do that. And the same thing for the governor.

And I believe that this ongoing, you know, the highway signs flashing, stay home, wash your hands, stay safe. It was like Big Brother. And people believed that the government had the Right. To restrict their movement in that way, not realizing that there had to be a law. So one of my taglines became, show me the law, show me the law. Show me the law that I’m breaking. And no one ever could. And I think that’s why, going back to your point about the larger stores, they knew that when people would push back that, you know, they have the legal teams and they knew that they could only push so far and that.

That that was it. And the smaller business, well, all of the businesses, they were getting money from the government, and at least in the state of California, in order to get these Covid funds, they had to agree, for example, to reduce the number of patrons that they served at a restaurant, to have a line outside so they would only have a few people at a time in the jewelry store. They willingly went along with this. And that’s why I did a full court press on educating businesses on how to stay open. And many of them did successfully.

Many of them fought the good fight. If I can give you an example, in California, a number of restaurants in the county of Ventura, one of the most hard, one of the hardest hit counties in terms of the oppression. And a couple of these restaurants in a very nice marina area, you know, very nice elevated customers and so forth, they’re like, we’re not going to close down. And I coach them on what to do and how to stay open. And they were the only. There were only one or two restaurants in this area that stayed open.

And they were doing a booming business. They probably made more money in one month than they had in a year, rightly so, because everything else was shut down. But the county slapped a lawsuit on them, a cease and desist. And get this, Dr. Andy, they were accusing them of murder. That’s how outlandish these board of. I call them board of stupid visors because that was a very stupid thing to do. And they thought that they could just throw anything out there and threaten them that they were going to close their business, you know, freeze their bank accounts, that.

They also said they were a public nuisance. So the restaurant owner made T shirts saying public nuisance and sold those and everybody bought them. So there’s always another way to push back against evil. And the good news is that when it came to flinching, the county pulled back and said, okay, I guess these really aren’t grounds to sue you. And there was a lot of money and a lot of time and a lot of energy that went toward people. Now that that was a clearly a bluff meant to Intimidate. Because you can’t initiate a civil lawsuit for a criminal offense.

You, you have to ask the, you know, the prosecuting attorney to prosecute the criminal offense. You can’t do it in a civil lawsuit. It was a complete bluff. Yeah. And, yeah, but, you know, I mean, this is, you know, an amazing point and what, you know, I observed something really sinister about how the government essentially, you know, I’m going to say, bribed businesses to violate people’s rights with the airline industry. And I never realized exactly how they did this. And, you know, thank, thanks to Leslie Minookian for, you know, getting that overturned in federal court. But what, but I learned this when I flew on a private jet, not which I didn’t pay for, thankfully.

Someone flew me down there to speak in Mexico during that time. And I saw that essentially the airline or the flight staff, they were collecting medical records from you and they were certifying those medical records and then simply answering questions of the actual government customs official or immigration official. Because the federal employees knew that they can’t ask or require private health information. It’s against federal law. So they. And now it’s against law for the flight staff too, mind you, but they just don’t know. And their, their boss is telling them to do it and they’re getting paid.

They might even be getting paid a bonus to do it. Right. Or they’re saying, this is now part of your job. And so they’re doing it. They’re doing the dirty work illegally, you know, for the government under this very, you know, clever scheme, as an end run around actual, you know, making an actual law. That’s exactly what played out on so many levels. So the government couldn’t do this, so they kicked the can down the road and they used the businesses, the airlines, the medical settings as their henchmen. Basically. They were the long arm of the law.

And that’s exactly what, what we experienced. And to this day, there are ongoing lawsuits from employees against the airlines. I have a good friend who’s a healthy American and she works for United Airlines. And during those years when they required the suffocation device and later the vaccines, she simply didn’t pick up any flights. She just put them into the trade system and she refused to capitulate. I did help a number of employees and pilots as well at different airlines push back against once the vaccines came on the scene. And just a reminder to everyone that you have a right to refuse anything that you object to religiously or on a moral or ethical basis.

And you simply Inform your employer, who in most cases the employers are ignorant of the law or they’re playing dumb so that they can either, you know, delay their response. That’s what they would do for a lot of people, run out the clock. And otherwise they would reject the accommodation saying that they were unable to do so. And these, there are lots of multi million dollar lawsuits now that are being paid out to people that were discriminated against. So that is definitely a step, you know, turning the tide in the right direction. Well, now I want, I want you to repeat that last part again because to make sure everyone who is listening out there understands that, you know, back in the day people were afraid they might have capitulated.

Right. And only the most stubborn of us stuck it out and got involved in a lawsuit and you had to probably scramble and find some other way to make ends meet. But what are the outcomes of these lawsuits now that have reached verdicts or settlements? Well, before I answer that, I do want to just preface it by saying unfortunately it is very difficult to find attorneys to take these cases. I think now that some of these bigger payouts are coming, which I’ll mention in just a moment, that other attorneys are going to say, wow, maybe there’s some money in this.

So all along I was actually educating attorneys on these health bill or, you know, health laws in the state of California and other places because they were getting calls and inquiries from people that wanted to keep their jobs. And these attorneys, you know, they didn’t really know about health codes and all of that. They were real estate attorneys or contract attorneys or divorce attorneys or what have you. And it’s not an area. Well, there were wrongful employment attorneys, definitely, but many of them didn’t want to take the case because the employee hadn’t lost the job. And truthfully, there’s no money in helping a person keep their job.

I mean, you can charge them a few hundred dollars or something, but where the attorneys make money is they make money in these wrongful termination lawsuits that now are being paid out in the millions of dollars. So there are some ongoing lawsuits against Kaiser which I’ve been involved in in terms of, you know, strategy and education. I’m not an attorney, I don’t give legal advice. But again, I talk about strategy and the laws and education and we build on the successes of our clients that have, you know, come through and stood their ground. And what’s happening now is some of these bigger companies, Blue Cross comes to mind, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, there are 200 cases that are pending.

Well, less three or four that were already settled. There are dozens and dozens of cases that are being argued right now in court. Now. Sometimes there will be employees who were wrongfully terminated. And what that means is they stood up for themselves and they said, I’m not introducing this product into my body and you can’t make me. And I object to it either on religious grounds, I prayed about it, or I meditated and God told me not to. Or, and you don’t have to have a traditional religion, you don’t have to have any religion. You could just go on your own moral and ethical standing.

The law recognizes that if you are able to articulate it in such a way that it is an all encompassing guide to your life and it, it, you know, frankly, can be a little difficult to do that. We focus mainly on religious views for all different fates. We’ve had Christian and Muslim and Jewish and Buddhist and Hindu and all sorts. And the law recognizes that. And I just want to state again that no one’s asking permission. You’re informing your employer that this is something you can’t do. And the law requires the employer to accommodate you. Now here’s where these employers got really slimy.

They would say, well, we don’t believe you. That’s one of the ways they could deny you is we don’t believe you. We don’t believe you’re honest and trustworthy. So my argument that I have not heard actually in any of these lawsuits, but I would say to the members of the jury, this employee has worked for the company for 20 years or two years or two months. And they obviously were viewed as trustworthy in a position of responsibility. So you, you trust the employee to do their job, but you don’t trust them when it comes to expressing what’s in their soul.

It doesn’t make sense. The other way that the employer can, has rejected this accommodation is they’ve said that it’s too much of a threat, that you could kill someone even though you don’t know you have any disease, well, that can be refuted right off the bat because there’s no evidence that you’ve killed anyone. And that’s another strategy that I have freely given, which is request a list of all the people that you have infected, find out what their diagnosis was, get their addresses so you can send them a condolence note and then actually figure out like what doctor determined that you were the one that infected them.

If you indeed can infect anyone, even in the state of California, there are laws protecting you from being accused of Infecting someone, I think that came around in the AIDS era. You have to willingly seek to infect someone and then prove that you did the third way they can deny you. And this is what most of the employers do. They say, oh, it is. It’s a hardship to accommodate you. We simply cannot give you a different, you know, job assignment or a different schedule or let you work from home. It can’t be done. Even though you’ve worked from home the last two years, now it’s suddenly a hardship.

And my advice, again, which I have not seen in any of these cases, but I would say, okay, let me get this straight. It’s a hardship to fire me and have my position vacant, and it’s not a hardship for you to advertise, recruit, interview, have a whole panel of, you know, interview, then make a job offer which may or may not be accepted, and then on board and train someone to replace me? That’s not the hardship? Well, it obviously is. So all of these. Those three approaches are a slam dunk. And what the employer has, what these cases against the employers, in the case of Blue Cross has been on the sincerity of the employee’s religious belief.

And the. Interestingly, the jury has said, well, the employer is wrong. And obviously, this woman that has worked there for 20 years, if she’s willing to lose her job over this, that’s not sincere. And that is the. I mean, that’s the most powerful litmus test of all, that if you’re willing to lose your job, you obviously were sincere in your beliefs. And I have a little puppy that’s having a little playtime. I hope that’s all right here. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. We love that. Great. This is a family show. Life. And life. We celebrate life.

And it’s happening all around us. So here’s the good news. There were some settlements with Blue Cross, Blue Shield, meaning they didn’t go to a jury. And I’m not giving legal advice, but if it were me, I wouldn’t take a settlement because it usually requires that you can never talk about it. You can’t talk about how much money you got. You can never talk about how you were wronged. And it. Well, that’s your choice to do it. And for some people, I completely understand taking the settlement there. It’s very difficult to be in a lawsuit. I’ve been in one against the county for their misdeeds.

It’s very. It costs a lot of money. It costs a lot of. Just of. Of your life essence. And I understand if you just Want to put it behind you, take the money and close that chapter. That’s your decision. Absolutely. Just know that it doesn’t set a precedent like a legal ruling where a jury has spoken and they have said you’re getting millions of dollars. And usually the jury settlements are far more. The jury awards are far more than the settlements that are done outside of court. So that’s just something to think about. That’s right. The other side will not come to the table with an offer unless they’re saving money.

Exactly right. So. But, and you know, I totally agree with you, Peggy. And I’m also involved in several lawsuits, and I’m doing them all myself. No attorneys. And it is a big undertaking, but it is doable. And actually, in these cases, if you wanted to do that, and even if your goal was only to try and get a settlement, you could go into the public record and pull the actual summons and complaint, which is the. The lawsuit that was filed that was successful either. If it’s settled, you. You can count that as successful, and you can pull those records.

They won’t. There won’t be records of the settlement, but there’ll be all the other court records, and you can go into the ones that were successful by a jury verdict or a bench verdict, and you can essentially copy those almost word for word. Like you have to find one in. In your state or if it’s in federal court, a federal case, so that it has the. The right statutes, but, you know, change your name and the circumstances to your particular circumstance. But this is what lawyers do. So, you know, it’s not plagiarism per se. And if that lawsuit was successful, then this should, you know, be intimidating enough to at least, you know, get a settlement or get them, you know, talking to you about something, you know, with this.

And I think that’s relatively low risk. Like, in this case, you don’t have a lot to lose because. Right. You’re. You already lost your job. Right. You’re not, you know, it’s not like a foreclosure or you’re going to owe money at the end. I mean, I don’t think they would. Would ask for court costs or, you know, legal fees to defend themselves, because it’s a very legitimate issue and other cases have won. So I think you have very little to lose other than perhaps, you know, expecting or being hopeful that you’re going to be winning and then not winning, because you can never predict.

Sometimes the courts don’t follow the law. Of course, there’s recourse for that you can appeal. But I’ve, you know, I’ve gone into argue a motion and the judge was doing other paperwork while I was speaking and completely ignoring me. So, you know, you can appeal, but you have to be ready for that kind of possibility. But you can do it. And no matter how you decide to stand up for yourself, I think what we’re both saying is you should stand up for yourself and not be pushed around in terms of people taking away your fundamental rights.

And that’s, you know, why we’ve all come together. So, Peggy, can you answer one, one kind of big take home point for me? What is the one thing that you wish everyone out there that you’re talking to already understood? Like something you have to repeat over and over again? Well, one thing that has really troubled me in these last several years, many lawmakers kept using the phrase, we follow the science. We’re following the science, we have to trust the science, follow the science. And my phrase is, you have to follow the law. And that really rubbed me the wrong way because it’s as if, if science says it’s okay, no laws matter, no logic matters, no rights matter.

And that was a type of hypnotism, it was a type of spell casting on people to get that phrase out there again and again. And I called them on the carpet at these board of supervisor meetings where they sent, they literally were parroting that. And it really came from, you know, Newsom in California, over and over. You know, we’re following the science and we have to trust the science. And that’s, that’s all well and good if you want to study science and look into that, but it, it can’t be in conflict with the law. So I always like to look to the law.

There are plenty of unconstitutional laws that should be overthrown. Ideally, more and more people are waking up to realize that they have, these are like natural born rights. The Constitution doesn’t give us rights. These laws don’t give us rights. Ideally, they are written to protect these rights that we are born with. And that is really at the basis of what I do. So start with the law. And we don’t need more laws. Actually, I’m not in favor of more laws. I’m in favor of repealing laws. And just kind of like we’re talking about education. Get rid of all the fluff, you know, and just kind of get back to the basics.

And, and then I will help you do that. I will help you learn about the law and stand up for yourself. And you don’t need my help. Just, I, I didn’t know anything about emergency, the Emergency Services Act, I didn’t know any, any of, I did know about the separation of powers. I had studied this, this was my background. But in terms of the actual laws on the books, did my research and I have to say I was guided by the Holy Spirit. Sometimes I would be researching something completely non related and up would pop a link or information about a law that I, that I needed.

A simple example is somebody asked me how they could go to the DMV breathing oxygen because their driver’s license was coming up for renewal. And again the hypocrisy of you have to take the mask off to have your picture taken. Of course you’re not infectious during that period of time. You’re not contagious. So I was researching in California about the DMV and all of this and I found a law in the state of California that happened to be in the Department of Motor Vehicles code of all places. And I know a lot of people don’t like the DMV and don’t have a driver’s license, but the bigger point is that there was a law that actually defined what your religious beliefs and observance and practice consisted of in the state of California.

Again, it’s kind of odd to think that a government can define what that is for you, but here’s what it said, Dr. Andy. It said your dress is a part of your religious observance. Of course, your days of worship, you could carry something with you like a bible or in the Sikh religion they carry a dull knife as part of their religious practice. And it specifically says face coverings. That is the language used in the state of California. And I can’t think of the law at the moment, but I, I have it in all of my documents and I thought if the state of California recognizes that covering your face is a part of your religious observance, then me not covering my face is a part of my religious observance because I honor God by breathing his breath of life.

And it was, I was not searching for that. It came up. So I think just immersing yourself if you’re interested in learning about your rights. I’ve got a lot of free information at my website, the HealthyAmerican.org I’ve got a daily show on YouTube where I talk about these things. I’ve got lots of how to’s, how to get your medical care without getting, undergoing the nasal assault, as I call it, without being masked and of course without being Vaccinated. I don’t think people are pushing as much for the vaccines as much, but they are pushing for the masks and the testing as an accommodation.

If you’re not vaccinated, there are ways to skirt that as well. And ideally, this is going to be behind us. But as we’re recording, I just got word that the governor of California issued a state of emergency for the bird flu. Here we go again. Chapter two. Peggy, I want to just, you know that point you made about trust the law, follow the law, don’t trust the science. It’s so, so important because, you know, you can call something science, and it may or may not actually be science, and there’s no accountability for that whatsoever because you don’t have to make something that works.

Like if you’re an engineer, the accountability is. Does the device work? And it’s very different from the law, where the accountability is the court system, right, where they can interpret the law and they sometimes find that a law is actually no good and they have to completely throw it out. There’s no body that we trust or that we vote for or, you know, put in power that can make those decisions about science. It’s essentially, you know, a free for all of talking heads and, you know, designated experts. So it has all of the potential in the world for corruption.

Now, there’s plenty of corruption in the law, too, but when you hold them accountable, you can overcome that eventually in most cases. And, you know, that’s what you’ve really highlighted tonight through your own efforts and through the amazing, you know, stick to itness and attitude of the healthy Americans out there who have, you know, fought the fight until they ultimately received justice and hopefully they were compensated adequately. And I want to urge everyone, please do follow Peggy on YouTube at the Healthy American, because she doesn’t just talk about these topics, but she has actually really been a pioneer in independent journalism, debunking some of the most important current events that are all really related to this kind of agenda that brought about the pandemic era as well.

So if you want to learn what’s going on and get, you know, information that you will not receive in other places, please make sure that you check out her show. Well, I really appreciate that. That’s what I call. We have to learn to read between the lies. And it is a fear narrative. And it makes it difficult for us to think clearly. And we just can apply that to, you know, different issues in our life. And that’s what I’m standing for. And I’m grateful for you, Dr. Andy, you were one of the early voices in all of this, and you gave hope to so many people when you spoke the truth about these scientific approaches and things we were told about that were used to instill fear.

So I’m really, really grateful we’ve, we’ve persisted all this time. We’re going to keep going. That’s right. A kindred force for freedom. All right, well, everyone, I look forward to seeing you next time on the True Health podcast. Signing out, Dr. Andy Kaufman.
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