Hey, friends, it’s Peggy hall back with you from thehealthyamerican. org. You probably know my guest, Robert Brahm is a forensic arborist, which means he studies trees, the behavior, the growth and their demise, especially when it comes to fires. He has covered the canadian fires, the California fires, the lahaina fires, and now we’re going to be comparing what happened in California to what happened in Chile. I was a little surprised that people, Robert, that people wanted me to cover Chile because to me it’s like the patterns are so evident that we already know.

But it is so fascinating when you tell us exactly how trees act, why they should burn, shouldn’t burn, what’s going on with the temperature, outdoor and all of outdoors. And then also in terms of materials that are melting that normally wouldn’t, different types of energy. And we’re going to be covering all that. So welcome back to the show. And I know you’ve got a slideshow for us, so why don’t you take it away? Well, thanks for having me on.

It’s always a pleasure to talk to you about all this craziness in our world. Can see that photo fine. Looks beautiful. Yeah. Mountain stuff. That’s what I’ve done for half a century. Well, I inserted a couple of photos in here that are off the Internet because they’re very telling photographs. This was the first one I believe I ever saw in Santa Rosa, California. The year was 2017, and all the homes are just gone.

White ash, hardly any black showing. But yet what I saw was trees up and down every street and between houses. That doesn’t work for an old mountain man like me. I’ve learned every tree in the state years ago, and I’ve had thousands of campfires. It doesn’t matter what you put in a campfire, it burns in 1 minute. Any needle, any leaf. So this didn’t go well for me.

And I went up there a couple of months later and walked every street I could for the whole day. And it was baffling. Nothing made sense to me. A year later, paradise, California. I saw those pictures. This one also. 15,000 homes were just eliminated. White ash again with few metals. And there’s the ponderosa pine, the number one forest tree in California that burns more often than any other species.

And by the way, there’s 22 different species of pine in California. This is almost inhabits every life zone we have from the coastal mountains to the inner coast Range, the northern mountains, the entire Sierra Nevada and the transverse range from Santa Barbara over to San Bernardino. We have them everywhere. They didn’t want to burn that day or that month. Robert, you mentioned previously, as we were preparing for the show that that was the same number of homes that burned in Chile as well.

That’s what I read, yeah. It’s extraordinary because back in the day, we’re both Californians and you have the California Santa Ana winds down in Orange county area where I am, and the fires would usually be contained and there would be very few structures that would be hit. And now we’re hearing thousands and thousands and thousands. It defies logic because isn’t there more technology? Isn’t there radar, aren’t there drones? Don’t we have AI? Isn’t there more funding? The number of structures that are damaged and obliterated should be fewer, not more.

So let’s keep going. You’ve got this picture that you took, which is stunning, I agree. This was the oak fire I wanted to speak about. Happened, oh, I guess, two and a half years ago, I believe, in the east of the town of Mariposa near western Yosemite. And I saw foul play. So I drove up there, analyzed the fire aftermath all day, anomalies everywhere. It’s just the same stuff.

I’d always find houses missing. And here’s a blue oak tree. Blue oak holds a ton of water, like all the oaks. Incidentally, there’s over 500 species of oaks on the planet. We’ve got to go about 20 of them in California. They’re burning from the inside out with nothing around them to ignite them or get the flame on the inside. And the leaves on the trees, this is what I find.

They fall over or they’re standing and the leaves just refuse to burn. These are burning internally. And this is a young tree, 810 inch diameter. It should not have a cavity in it. Only old trees have that same fire. Aftermath the oak fire. This is ponderosa pine, our number one pine in California. Baby ones, 1015ft tall. Fire passed right by them but refused to ignite the needles. This is one of my fire starters when I’m camping.

Find some needles, put them in there with your paper and you’ve got flames pretty darn quick. Well, this fire went right by it, forgot to burn the leaves or needles, and then the needles have been falling off the trees. After this is months later, perhaps two or three months later. And stay on this photo for a moment, Robert, because the ground is black and you’re surmising that the fire is underground.

Well, I think the ground itself is on fire for one of three different reasons. They’re spraying us like bugs every day. That’s one of them. The water content or moisture content in the soils. Water heats up the fastest in a microwave. And also the metals in the ground, whether they’re ferrous or non ferrous, there’s always different types of metals everywhere. And any of that in a microwave starts sparking or you get a flame out of it.

So the orchid, any of, if you look around, you’ll see all the needles. They just refuse to burn. And, you know, Robert, that puts me in mind. Back when we were talking about Lahaina and they said there was no water and there were no firefighters on the scene. Water does not put out electrical fires, magnetic fires like this. That, I think, is another interesting aspect. When we see so few firefighters on these scenes, we said, yeah, they were going to have to come up with another name.

They’re calling it a forest fire. But the forest isn’t on fire. Yeah, I’ve read a lot of articles and people sending me stuff about instead of laser maser with an M mazer. I’ve not looked into it, but there’s another area to study in this genre. Mazer is a new one. We don’t know. We’re just playing catch up. And all I can do is show evidence of unnatural things that I’ve never seen for 49 years.

Here’s the mobile homes. These are usually first to be attacked. Paradise had ten mobile home parks. All ten were eliminated and the trees were still there. You saw the picture. This was a mobile home and I took it mostly for the trampoline and the plastic kids toys and the synthetic little upright things there. I find a lot of trampolines. This is the worst one I’ve seen. Usually they’re intact.

I don’t know where it was on the grounds. Same with the toys? I don’t know. But I see toys quite often unmelted or burned. The trees in the foreground do look like a normal forest fire, but these are oaks. They have a high water holding capacity. And that’s what we’re finding on fire more than the conifers, which is backwards. Yes, it is all backwards, isn’t it? This is the way I find every vehicle, with no exception.

Zero exceptions, every single window I’ve seen has melted out to melt the glass. It starts melting at 2500 degrees. That never happens in a normal wood forest fire that we know of. Forest fires top out at 1427, unless you’re using accelerants. And these seats could never get to those temperatures to melt. All the windows out. No matter where they’re at, paint always looks like this. And yet three to 4ft above the car are these ponderosa pine needles.

Never seen blackened needles. And I’ve had thousands of campfires at all elevations. I never see them turn black. If it’s black, there’s black for a microsecond and they burn up really quick. But I see black everywhere in these fires. They refuse to burn. And you have everything. You have hot days, you have the fuel, you have the heat, but they do not want to combust. It’s stunning because they’re combustible.

Yet we’re looking at the photo and there’s melted glass. So let’s talk about the temperatures of outdoor fires and why this is such a strange anomaly. Yeah, outdoor fires rarely get up to 1427, sometimes a little more. Unless you have accelerants. A ground fire just an inch off the ground, short grass starts around 300 degrees, works its way up these cars. To do this kind of melting you really have to get extreme temperatures.

Which forest fires do not approach that temperature. Yeah, we’re talking 2500 degrees and above. And it was so strange to me when my pal over there in Hawaii, Joshi, the governor, he said, oh, it’s amazing that this fire in Lahaina got up to 2500 degrees as a way of explaining all of this behavior. That is not normal. That is like saying, oh, good news. There are now 25 hours in a day.

Natural laws do not change. They are consistent and friends, that’s why know, I’m so grateful that you’re here, Robert, to speak in your calm, wise way with your own personal experience and these images that you’re analyzing for us. So yeah, please, let’s go on. Yeah. I have a long or huge background in plants, studied plants for almost half a century, 49 years now. Cooking on a campfire at all elevations and spending a lot of time in the mountains.

I mean that’s how you climb 130 mountains. It takes years to get all that done. And generally a plant scientific book in my hand for all those years. And that’s been my nerdy fun. So I’ve had my fires. I’ve seen all the trees burn at every elevation. I know which ones burn and which ones really don’t burn. And for this gentleman in Hawaii to say the temperatures have changed.

He’s either a paid shill to repeat what somebody’s taught him or he’s very ignorant, maybe stupid. Perhaps all three hope that nobody believes anything he says. If he’s talking like that, I’ve not heard it. But let’s hope nobody believes this stuff, right? And you’ve visited these fires or the fire scenes many times and gathering your own evidence. And then we are going to talk a little bit, friends.

Robert has been following the oak fire, where someone has been accused of arson, and it doesn’t make sense. So we’ll talk about that, and then we’ll also look at Chile, coming up. Please continue, Robert. So this is the oak fire. And after a couple more fires, I looked at nearing paradise, or, I’m sorry, miraposa. I’ve seen 40 aftermaths now and taken 115 trips to all of them. Exhaustive work.

So this is the oak fire. The baby pontorosa pines are burning at the base, but they won’t burn the needles that are lower down. That’s the fuel for a forest fire. The manzanida on your right, the coast canyon live oak on your left. They all refuse to burn. This is a board I found is what is a year and a half now or two years. It has a little nail in each burn spot if you look close.

Some of them fell out when I was moving it. It was still there about three weeks ago. It was still there laying on the ground. So I brought it home. I’ve got that evidence. I’d love to bring that in the courtroom and have the prosecutor tell me all about it. I just love to listen to that one. And the house here was a mobile home, and that was burned to the ground and taken away.

And the only tree on the property that actually burned was the extreme water lever. A lombardi poplar in the willow family holds a ton of water, a little four or six inch diameter tree. For whatever reason, they cut that down and took it away. The bottom was burned. So I’ve got this evidence here also. The garden hoses. I see this often. If I get there quick enough, the hoses are okay, but where they’re attached to the spigot in the ground, the metal, that’s where they’ll melt or burn, where the metal is, not the garden hose out in the field.

Amazing. Yeah. And there’s some wood there. That wood’s been sitting there. Dry wood doesn’t burn too much in these fires. This is. I put on a close up lens and I get in close. You see this? Two screws and this metal piece? Yes. That’s the only place this board burned. And I find this everywhere. I take my time going through here. Yeah, the flying embers, they say on every media outlet, the flying embers.

Well, I saw this board that only burned where the two screws are in this metal piece. So I got my close up lens out and took a picture of it. The only place on this whole, whatever it is, two x six burn is only where the metal is. So it leads me to believe the metals themselves are on fire. Incidentally, I see old swing sets with plastic seats and slides.

They’re unaffected. And I noticed all those bolts and fittings are stainless steel. So I don’t think stainless steel is actually heating up or burning. This was an old shot. The mobile home is gone. All the steel girders under the mobile home are twisted. I don’t think the mobile homes have enough weight to twist those things around like that. And there’s your forest, virtually untouched, except for the trees closest to the house.

Stunning. This is many months later. Because some of the trees are regenerating down here on the left. This is the way I find every car. With zero exceptions. This is still the oak fire. The windows just melted in exceeding 2500 degrees. To get it flowing like that. They all look the same. These cars have been taken away. I will find aluminum rims or alloys melted out or chunked out like below.

That’s what my own term. They’re chunked out and perhaps that’s the alloy. And you see all the trees in the back. There’s incense. Cedar also didn’t want to burn up. No. And all the needles were falling on the ground. The trees didn’t burn. This is a pile I had to show. They go to your yard, they collect everything on your property and put it in a pile to be taken away.

It was behind a container of freight and they forgot about taking it away. There’s your plastic little pots. Blue, pink, the green garden hose. The black pvc going over the top. The plastic share. All this would have melted in a fire. But no, it didn’t. Everything that should burn in a fire doesn’t. And everything that shouldn’t burn does. It’s opposite world. We’re going to start taking out fire insurance on our trees.

Because the trees aren’t burning, just the houses are. Right? Yeah. Anyway, another vehicle that’s been taken away. They mark them like this when they’re done with them. No trees burned in the picture. Some forest fire. We need a new name. Yeah, I call them new fires. There you go. This is a valley oak on the right that’s burned internally. And it’s open a little bit right there. Oak trees don’t burn like that unless they’re the oldest oak in the forest.

And the rest of your forest really didn’t want to burn. Wow. I think this place might have burned down. I’ve tried to call them and interview them. It’s a, b and b up there. And I just get disconnected. I couldn’t find their house. It was up a driveway, but their sign told me everything. The nail on it, the big lag bolt, it only burned in close proximity to that bolt.

Different views. Another bolt down below. Wow. Any other side of the wood? Just where the metals were. That’s still there. Amazing. Another one of the cars up there and whole forest untouched. Amazing heat to do that to this car. Yeah. This is a madrone tree. This is one of the largest members of the blueberry, cranberry, huckleberry family in California. Madrones are north facing slopes, or near water source, like the creek just below it.

A madrone burning internally, I think only because of the water content. This is my original photo. I went back there and the tree is gone. It was maybe 30ft tall, but down the hill it wasn’t hanging over the road. I don’t even know why they cut it down. So I couldn’t find that one. They got rid of that evidence. Wow. There’s a madrone. Here’s just looking across at the hillsides.

Show me a burned up tree. It goes along the ground, because I really believe the ground itself is on fire. And the trees don’t burn unless you’ve got metals around or high water holding capacity trees. And there’s some in there, but not too many. They’re mostly conifers. In the middle, there’s some canyon live oak. All right, we’re over to Lahaina now. Yeah, we’re over at Lahaina. That was an important photograph.

Pines and eucalyptus everywhere. Nothing burned, just the building. Whether it was a house or what, I don’t know. And maybe a stage photograph with this guy in the talk. I was thinking about that Robert, because he’s dragging that branch, that limb, and there’s all of the unburnt leaves on it. And it’s so strange that it’s almost like they’re mocking us. So much of what we’re seeing defies natural law.

I mean, the law of the land, right, that we know is true. This is so strange that we’re seeing those unburnt leaves. Really. To me, a tractor comes in there and just planes off the whole thing. Puts it in dump trucks and takes it away. He’s just spinning his wheels, getting nothing accomplished. Yeah. Wasted his time anyway. Yeah, I had to put that in here. Okay. Here’s the gentleman that’s in jail in Mariposa.

He’s been in jail since last June, and they say he did it. They have overwhelming evidence. They have zero evidence. I spoke to his daughter in Alaska and his lawyer. The lawyer doesn’t believe me. I told him, watch my videos and I’m going to be in that courtroom. In his first appearance, I showed up in the courtroom in Mariposa somewhere about a month ago. He saw me. And he represents everybody in the courtroom.

He’s the public defender for every criminal coming in there. He represents everybody. So I saw this guy, poor guy come in. He’s chained up, handcuffed, chains around his ankles. Been in jail since last June. Is he a super scientist we’ve never heard of? He could have never started these fires. They framed him and put him in jail. So in the courtroom, his lawyer walked over and talked to the prosecuting attorney.

They were whispering, looking at me across the room. It’s a very quiet room. Then they went over and talked to the judge. The three of them are looking at me and whispering. They went in the back room and disappeared. When they came out, the judge said, we’re postponing this trial till two months from now, in March. No reasons at all. Nothing. They saw me in that courtroom and they didn’t like it.

They didn’t even give a reason why they’re postponing it. So this poor gentleman’s got to sit in jail for two more months. That is how they do it. There is so much funny business going on, and it’s not funny. Yeah. And his lawyer, they say, oh, he really wants me to help. He’s not called me or reached out to me at all. So anyway, I was going back to Hawaii.

I stuck that in the wrong place. Everybody knows about the blue umbrellas. And here is that banyan tree in Hawaii with the building in front and the entire terracotta roof is missing. Somehow that tree didn’t want to burn up with all the ambient heat on every side of it. That one’s phenomenal. And there’s that plastic play structure in Hawaii. Doesn’t want to melt, but the houses. Take a look at them.

Yeah. Plastics are unaffected. In microwave, they are microwave safe, stunning some of the cars. Now we’re in Chile. This is in the country of Chile. I don’t know if the cars were stacked or if they were just pushed out of the way, but all of them look the same. Windows are gone. Aluminum rims are melted out. Steel rooms are intact. Tried to find a lot of trees in that city.

There wasn’t too many, but I found some here. Yeah, there weren’t too many. So what exactly was the fuel source? Friends, as you know, when there’s fire, there has to be heat, oxygen and fuel. That’s the three points of fire being able to burn or to go out. So what exactly was combustible here? Wow. There’s a eucalyptus to the right and on the far left, those are eucalyptus.

So there’s some trees in here and these houses, I guess just cement and stoneworks left. Had to really dig on the computer to find this. Incidentally, 14,000 to 15,000 homes are missing. And over 100 people have passed away and at least 300 are missing. A lot of this looks kind of common fires, but there’s your trees in the background, virtually untouched. A lot of stonework here, I can tell.

Same thing, though, when I saw the cars and the trees, the aluminum rims. Here’s the rim. Chunk it out. The window is gone. Same exact thing. And there’s some blue back there. Oddly enough, that’s something I have not looked into much. Amazing. What’s going on. This is going on worldwide. I don’t know if they have big plans for this area with smart cities. Yes, they do. Santiago. I’m going to be doing a video about that, about their smart city and their involvement with the United nations.

So, yeah, burn back better. As the saying goes, we’ll make it sustainable. Favorite term. There you go. Some more trees. Of course, exactly the same. There’s your aluminum rims. What’s melting the rim that far away from the vehicles? How does it stay liquefied 15ft away? There’s no more heat source. They all look the same. A technology we can’t even fathom. Yeah, nice crisp pictures. Trees everywhere. Every car is the same.

If there was an exception, then I’d say, okay, there’s anomalies. But I’ve seen between six and 800 vehicles in eight years. They all look the same. No exception. There’s never a window. Let’s stay there for a second, Robert, because it’s so weird that the car is stacked on top of the other. And also how they always put people in the picture. So they either had to wait a long time for somebody to walk by or they told them to do so.

I find this a very edited or produced photograph. Was there a crane that came and picked up one car and put it on top of another? If so, why isn’t the car behind the woman walking? Why isn’t that one picked up off the road. Are we supposed to think that somebody parked that way or that the fire was that intense, that it picked one car up and placed it on top of another? I mean, what are the conclusions we can draw from this? It looks like a very produced, edited photo to me.

If you look at the photographs in Judy woods book that day, 20 something years ago, same stuff, cars stacked on top of each other upside down with trees right next to them with leaves on them. Yes. That day in New York City, right, Robert? That’s right. Okay, we know what we’re talking about. Yep. Amazing stuff. Yeah. This is probably their own lease there. That’s a good one. Only where the hardware is.

And big Basin California, our state park with all the redwoods, they kind of burned up, but not like a forest fire. And down on the coast, just out of the park, these were blue gum eucalyptus, arguably one of the most combustible leaves on the planet. Fire went under them and refused to ignite them. This is one of my fire starters for my campfires. When I’m in lower elevation areas, grab green leaves right off the tree, stack them in your little area and light them on fire with some paper.

That’s what they do. The oils in them are volatile. I wanted to show the tires for everybody. This is a polyester core tire. They don’t melt. Fire went right past. It did not melt. It disfigured at all. There it is on the label, polyester cord. This is what they look like when you have steel belts. All of them. The steel belts is all that’s left. It’s one or the other, no exceptions.

I’ve seen well over 1000 tires. And this is a flyer I put together with my girlfriend just for ten bullet points to look for at all these fire aftermaths. I give them out every day to everybody I see. This is fantastic. Robert, would you read those for us? Sure. The first one, number one, ground level fires start at 300 degrees. And the aluminum rims that are melted start melting at 1221 degrees.

That’s the numbers. Auto glass melts at 2500 degrees, which never happens in a normal fire. Your plastics, synthetics and rubber set away from the homes. They didn’t burn unless there’s some metal or some liquids next to it. Pine needles mostly didn’t burn. And your forest fire tops out at 1427 degrees, maximum. That came right off the computer. Your water loving or high water holding capacity trees like oaks, they’re not water lovers like a willow, but they hold a ton of water.

They’re burning from the inside out. Everywhere I go. Number six, homes are turned to white ash. Rarely blackened wood remains. 40 aftermaths I’ve been to, I rarely find blackened wood. Your pipes going underneath the road for water draining off the steel culvert pipes, they’re all replaced with plastic ones or cement. If there’s too much water coming through, they build a big cement one or a giant cement pipe.

Number eight is your mobile homes are targeted first. More than anything I see, mobile homes are just missing more than houses. We’re having a little bit of a technical difficulty, but I will just finish reading the list here. As you know, the truth is not very favored on these platforms. So the tires with steel belts burn completely, while those with polyester cores didn’t. And wood fence posts burn where metal components are attached.

So thank you so much, Robert. I’m going to wrap up here. I know that you’ve got the screen share going. Friends. We will continue to bring you this information. I will be bringing more research on Chile because you’re asking for that and always appreciate having you on board. Remember, if I go missing, you can find me over at my rumble channel. And also Peggyhall TV. Be sure that you get on my free substac, which is peggyhall substack.

com. Robert, thank you for being a guest. I know that we’ll hear from you again. .

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