What’s going to happen? Why do you ignore the polls? Well, I mean, how many times do they have to be wrong before you’re just like, you know, I don’t even read them anymore. No, it’s. I mean, I. I’ve. One of the things that I took away from the time that I spent with you in Maine was when you were in Maine. It’s not that you’re completely cut off from the world, but you’re very selective about your consumption of information. Yes, I would say. And I have found that there is an. There is an inverse relationship between the amount that I pay attention to the news and my personal happiness.

Yes. And the accrued wisdom, actually. That’s right. That’s right. So this is something you and I have talked about. I mean, there’s, There’s. There are reasons that things. Wisdom that has stood the test of time. There’s a reason it has stood the test of time. There’s not a lot of what happens on cable news that ever stands the test of time. And so that’s. There’s probably something to that that we should probably eliminate some of that. So. I feel the same way about polls. I mean, my gosh, they were wrong in 2016. They’re wrong in 2020.

I think they’re wrong now. What do you think it feels like to work in cable news for 25 years and realize that nothing you’ve said on TV matters at all or will be remembered by anybody or aff. Anything in any meaningful way? It’s got to be a miserable existence? I mean, these. Look, Tucker, you know these people better than anybody. There’s a reason. No, I’m talking about myself. Well, no, no, not you. There is a reason why these are the most miserable people on earth. I mean, they are. I’ve known a lot of them personally now, and they are miserable, sad, depressed people who have a very difficult time finding any meaning in what they’re doing.

And so instead they chase. There’s almost a drug addict element to it where they’re chasing the next little dopamine hit. So, like, oh, I got a mini scoop. What is that? What? I don’t even know what a mini scoop is. A scooplet. What is a scoop? Oh, I post it, you know, and this is like the people that do, like, politico playbook in these. They’re the most unhappy people. They’re miserable ever. I could name the number of happy ones on one hand. I knew. I lived next to Andrea Mitchell for years. Unhappiest person, Dana Bash. I Work with her unhappiest person.

It’s like, yeah, you can get on the list. Like, who’s happy? I don’t, I don’t know. They’re also the least self reflective people I’ve ever met in my life. And that would actually do them some good to like have a little bit of self reflection about this because that’s where you, you find meaning and happiness by reflecting on the things that you are doing and have done and trying to extrapolate meaning from them. Like what, what should I think about this? And there are a couple that I will say is very interesting and you and I know them, I won’t say their names, who are wrestling with that right now and have been like in an existential crisis that they’re like, why does anything, nothing I’m doing matters and the people I work with are miserable.

And I look at the people who are 10, 20, 30 years ahead of me in this career track and they’re all miserable. And maybe this isn’t what I should do with my life. I don’t know. I mean, there’s something to be said for you and what you’ve done. Wait, I’m sorry, I just interrupt this. I’m shocked and thrilled. Florida voters reject ballot measure legalizing recreational marijuana use I did not. So the, the pro drug people spent more money in Florida on this? I think more than, you know, any ballot measure in the history of Florida. They were everywhere.

And in general, voters tend to sign off on legalizing weed. Why do you think they rejected this? I, I do think that there is this, There are these patterns in public life. There, there are backlashes to certain. The pendulum swings. Yes, that’s right. And it, and it always, it swings like a pendulum. It swings hard and it swings hard and then it kind of, there’s some stasis in the middle. And I think we’ve experienced too much of a swing too fast, dramatically to the left. This issue and many other issues. That’s right. And you’re about to see a serious backlash to that.

I’d like to see us go full Singapore on the question. I mean, it’s really destroying the country. And I smoke weed every day in my childhood, so I was always for marijuana. But watching, watching what it’s doing to young boys right now, I feel like people need to go to prison right away. I mean, it’s really destroying them. Like actually ask them, by the way, if you’re around 18 year old boy, college freshman, you know, how many people do you know who’ve been Wrecked by dab pens and they’ll tell you. And people are getting rich from it and they’re, they’re criminals as far as I’m concerned, so.

Well, that’s crazy. Did you expect that? I haven’t been tracking it. I haven’t been tracking. Sorry. This is something I fixated on as a, as an anti drug person. But I really think the Saudis get it right on the, on drug policy. I really do. Well, Trump has talked a lot about, you know, death penalty for drug kingpins and that kind of thing. So I think he’s on the same. Same. Yeah. Okay. So Trump wins Florida by double digits again. Probably not shocking, but if you take three steps back, pretty big change from a few years ago.

Yeah. And the thing I also think, I think about there is you’re seeing people vote with their feet. So they’re leaving places like California, they’re leaving and the concern has been people are going to leave California, move to Texas and Florida and they’re going to vote like they still live in California. Right. And this is suggesting that people are not just leaving the places the left has decimated, that they are leaving the left. That’s the way I read that. Well, it feels like there, to use an overused phrase, there has been a big vibe shift there has in that I notice it everywhere I go, just from the number of people who scream at me at airports, which is like down to almost zero.

It’s almost no screaming at airports now. I was at Logan Airport this morning early, waiting to be screamed at. Not one screamer. That’s a little disappointing. Come on. I’m kind of. It steeled myself for screaming. I’d had two Dunkin Donuts, large coffees, because I was ready. Nope, just a nice nurse came up and thanked me for my service. I said I work in television, not really service, but thank you. But I do feel like Elon getting involved is a big, big, big, big factor. There’s no doubt. One thing that I have noticed in the last, I mean, I haven’t been doing this a long time, really.

2016 election cycle was the first time I was involved in a presidential at the presidential level, even remotely close to that. And the thing that I have noticed, and it’s specific to Trump, but it’s also, I think even broader than Trump is the stigma that was attached to Trump personally and that was attached to being a conservative. Yes. Is entirely gone. And in fact, being a conservative is now a full on countercultural movement because the left is, if you want to be a Rebel now you’re a conservative. Oh, yeah. If you want to be a part of the establishment and you want things to stay the same and you want to be one of these elite whatever, then you’re a leftist.

If you’re on a college campus right now, which used to be like the bastion of the left, is a college campus. And granted, still in our elite universities, some of them are. If you go to most college campuses around the country, right now they are voting for Donald Trump. Oh, for sure. They’ve got the red MAGA hat on boys and girls alike. It is completely shifted. And Elon, I think, is a huge part of that because he exists in a similar way to Trump outside of politics, in the cultural zeitgeist, in a way that politicians couldn’t even imagine.

And when a guy like that says, this is screwed up and I’m, I’m for the guy that they’re trying to kill. Yes. I, I think that that’s moved votes in a, in a really meaningful way. I, I even see for me to get DJT to sign them for them. And this has all happened in the last couple of years. It’s a huge vibe that A lot of black guys in your game. A lot. A lot of black guys. So that is it. That is a real surreal. And I never really believe Republicans are always, we’re going to win the Blackfoot.

No, no, you’re not. But I have no, just in my life. Just any. Every black guy knows, like, not against Trump, kind of. Yeah, that’s, that is real. 100%. Well, it’s. Now, you know, you don’t want to be stereotypical about people, but if you look out about, across a mass of people and you think you can’t have, like, I wonder if that person votes for this person or that person or whatever. Now if you see a middle aged, unattractive white woman now, that’s where I grew up. That’s, you know, in, in working class white America where J.D.

vance grew up. J.D. vance is a picture of the shift in the Republican Party. It’s like an avatar for the shift that is happening in real time right before us. Those people are Republicans now. And it’s, and I think it is a huge. It’s a great thing for our party. It is a great thing for our party. But of course, I couldn’t agree more. I’m thrilled by it. And I think Trump has forced the party to pay attention to its own voters in a way that Mitch McConnell was never going to do. One downside is, though, that the money is with the Democrats.

75% of the nation’s wealth is held by Biden voters. They’re the overclass. Republicans are the underdog. Just a fact. Kamal Harris, one of your, your finance guys, told me today, spent three times what the Trump campaign. It was three to one, all in independent expenditures included. If Trump beats that, like, what’s the lesson? You’re outspent three to one and you win. Like, don’t we have to rethink? I mean, that just seems like the biggest story ever told in politics. There’s so many things about Trump that if you try to, if you try to think about someone, not him doing them, it is hard to imagine because the larger than life personality that were it, were he not that he would not have been able to break the machine the way that he has.

Yes. But I think because he has broken the machine, it has shown a new way, it has shown a new path, a different way of doing things where you don’t have to play by the same rules. And, and you know, for better or worse, this is a communications game. Right. And he’s a communications master. Anybody who’s going to try to replicate what he has done and beat that system is going to have to be an incredible communicator, that’s for sure. But they’re going to have to be able to be willing to do it in a way that is not what is.

So, like, let’s think about the difference between Mitt Romney and Donald Trump. There are obviously a zillion of them, but one of them, just practically speaking as a campaigner, one of them tried desperately to do no harm. I want to make no mistakes today, whatever I do, oh my gosh, I just don’t want to make any mistakes. The other said, I might make 10 mistakes today, but I’m going to say what I actually think, I’m going to say what I actually believe, and I’m going to bet that there are enough people out there they’re going to say, I like the authenticity, that it’s actually okay if I disagreed with two of the 10 things that he said because I knew he actually meant it, as opposed to the politician who tried to do no harm and it was a total fraud.

That’s the ultimate takeaway from Trump is authenticity is the whole, is the currency now. So if he last question, and you’re the person to answer it, since you worked in government at a high level in some of the more complicated parts of government, I think it’s fair to say probably Trump gets Elected tonight, let’s say inaugurated January 20th. How does Washington respond? How do the agencies respond? I mean, every signal they’ve sent that I’ve picked up is we won’t allow this, we will not tolerate this. We can’t have this. The body will reject the transplant period.

So, like, what happens? It’s hard to imagine it not being that way. Certainly in the parts of the government that you’re talking about. Right. I think it’s going to be a very. Talking about the meaningful parts, you know, the more secretive, the more significant parts. Not the AG Department. Right. Doj, CIA, et cetera. Yeah. I think it’s going to ultimately come down to when Donald Trump wins tonight, which I fully believe that he will. The people that he chooses to go in and represent his interest and the country’s interest in those places are going to have to have the biggest stones of anybody who’s ever walked into those places before like crazy.

And, and, and not be, not be captured by the building, whatever the building may be. Because I saw this even the last time. A lot of people go in there with the best of intentions and then it, you realize how easy it is to just be like, you know what, I got the title now and I’m a big shot. And it’s actually just better if like, let’s just, if I walk out of here the day that I leave and it’s the same as the day I came, that’s not the worst. Or their constituents can’t do that.

I mean, my dad worked in government, saw this even as a child. The con, the agency heads constituency becomes the employees of the agency. Exactly right. Rather than the voters, than the country. Yeah. And they’re, they’re loyal. Like, we don’t want to besmirch the reputation of whatever stupid agency he’s running. Right. FBI, CIA, like how do you find people who are, who are ballsy enough to, to go against that? Very, very natural. Well, I think the good news is we now have a little bit of a track record in 2016, you know, we didn’t know what certain people are going to do.

Now you see who’s been through the fire, you see what people are going to do. The other thing I think that we have learned is often making a change that is, let’s call it a 75% change produces the, the same backlash as trying to do a 10% change. That’s exactly. And so why, why are we going to be incremental about some of these things? They’re going to come for our throats no matter what on this stuff. Well, at least we could do is, like, make it a meaningful change and make it worth it. And I think that’s the mindset that we got to have if we get the opportunity.

I mean, this. I mean this. You know that I mean this. The fact that you’re involved in this effort makes me feel a lot better about its chances of success. Thank you. I mean that. So thank you. Cliff Sims. It’s great to be here. Great to see you. Thank you. So one of the big things I think that’s different about this run, Trump’s third run for national office, is that he’s not doing it alone. There is an army of people around him. Of course, there, in some sense, always has been. There have been a lot of disaffected voters who felt they’re not being represented by their leaders who clustered around Donald Trump.

But there weren’t a lot of, really, to be blunt, successful people from, say, business around Donald Trump. Almost all of them are too vested in the current system to join him publicly. And that has just changed in a huge way, most famously with Elon Trump, Elon Musk. But I would say right behind him is his friend who got their first, David Sachs, who joins me now. David, thank you very much. Good to be here, Tucker, for coming on. So you have been a pretty. And I should save. It’s actually a huge figure in tech world on the West Coast, San Francisco, South Bay, and you’ve been a, you know, pretty consistent voice for conservatism.

Well, since you were at Stanford, I think. But you have, I think you were the first person at your level in your world to come out and say, I’m voting for Donald Trump. And here’s why. Why did. First of all, why’d you do that? And what was the experience like? What was the reaction that you got? Well, the. I guess, you know, one of the things that I did starting a few years ago was I started doing this podcast, you know, the All In Podcast. We started doing it pretty much at the beginning of COVID I guess this is in early 2020.

Just me and a few friends from the tech world, you know, fellow investors. And so we started doing this weekly pod. And when you do a podcast like that, you just kind of have to say what you think. Otherwise, you got nothing to talk about. I never understood, first of all, yeah, I didn’t get insignificance until I went on it. And then every person I’d ever met watched it. I just didn’t understand the reach of It. But if you want to reach, you know, successful people, you do the all in podcast. I learned. But why did you do that? You’ve already got a lot going on.

Why did you start that podcast? You know, we just sort of did it for fun. There wasn’t really a huge plan behind it. It was just, you know, we were all kind of locked in our houses at the beginning of COVID It was really extreme in California, you know, we couldn’t do anything. And so we just decided to do this podcast. So it kind of happened organically. You know, a couple of my friends, we, you know, we all played poker together. And the original idea was it’d be kind of fun if we were just to, like, have cameras recording us playing poker.

That wasn’t practical, but we just started, you know, recording our conversations over zoom and putting them out, and the thing kind of caught fire and became a little bit of a sensation. Well, it certainly did. And a sensation in a very specific way, like you were speaking to an audience that was not reached by Trump, basically. I sense a lot of your audience had, like, heard of Trump. They knew they were supposed to hate Trump. Yeah. But they’re kind of absorbed in their business. I mean, that’s my sense. Right. Yeah, no, it’s first and foremost it’s a podcast about business markets, technology and politics, but really it’s about whatever the big issues are that week.

You’re probably like the first person your audience respects they’d ever heard endorse Trump. I guess that’s what I’m saying. I think, yeah, I was a gateway drug for a lot of people. We can interrupt you. So we’re just looking at these Virginia numbers. Virginia is a, basically a Democratic state thanks to the federal government, thanks to Northern Virginia, which is a wasteland, I should say, with a Republican governor. And yet Trump is tied as of right now with 41% in, in Virginia, he’s down by 1/10 of a percentage point. He’s basically tied with, with Harris. This is kind of amazing.

Yeah. I think Virginia was a plus 10 state for Biden. Yeah, right. Was it actually plus 10? I think it was plus 10. And then, you know, I remember that number because when Youngkin won the state, it was such a big, you know, upset that he could overcome, you know, what had been a 10 point deficit. So, yeah, look, if Trump is running even ish in Virginia, that’s great. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it’s 41%, so who knows? And I don’t know where they’re from. I mean, that’s one of those states where, you know, its components have nothing in common with each other.

Southern Virginia is nothing in common with Central Virginia or certainly Northern Virginia. Nothing in common. Southwest Virginia, et cetera. You can see what a weirdly shaped state it is. So you. You come out for Trump and you just basically, I’m Trump. And you say that to a bunch of people who, I suspect, think they hate Trump. Yeah. What’s the response? Well, I think that it hasn’t been as negative as it was I think, in 2016 or 2020. I think that, in fairness, there were a couple other folks who were trailblazers going back to 2016. I mean, Peter Thiel in particular.

Yes, for sure. Really was kind of far out there when he endorsed. Well, he spoke at the RNC in 16. Yeah, that was a big. That was a big deal. And I think he took a lot of slings and arrows for that. I think by the time that I did it, yeah, I probably was one of the first people this cycle to do it. But a lot of people ended up kind of following and ended up. At one point, I tweeted a list of major figures in the tech industry who had endorsed Trump, and It was like, 2025 people.

So there was a lot of people who came on board. And then obviously, Elon coming on board was a huge deal, and he’s gone all out. Yeah, I think. Look, I think that one of the reasons why so many people have come on board is because the last four years have just been so bad. It’s just been so egregious. I mean, Biden and the Democrats came into office promising a return to normalcy. This is what they called it. What did we actually get? They opened the borders. I mean, just totally inexcusable. There’s no justification for that.

They gave us trillions of. Of reckless spending, and they wanted more. Remember, Build Back Better was originally supposed to be something like six trillion. Then it was four and a half trillion. Eventually they got it, I think 750 billion, plus all the other trillions, the Inflation Reduction act and all the rest. So we had that massive inflation. We had the. It’s the law fair. And the censorship, I think, alienated a lot of people in our world, you know, because this is so fundamentally un American to prosecute your political opponents. I think this is the thing that kind of made me want to kind of go all in.

Well, I mean, yeah, I was conservative before, and I would have supported Trump or whoever the Republican candidate would have been, but it made me want to do so much more to see that Trump was getting prosecuted. They were trying to put him in prison, they’re trying to bankrupt him, they’re going after his kids. I mean, it was just beyond did he became a rapist when he was anybody. It’s just beyond the pale. And then they started going down the line. It wasn’t just Trump. You can see what they’re doing with Elon. They’re prosecuting his companies now, or the government’s got all sorts of investigations into his companies, mainly because he restored Twitter X to being a free speech platform.

So political retaliation is just now part of their playbook. And if you let them get away with it, if they win this election, they’re going to keep going with that. The only way they stop is if they lose. And then they have to reconsider whether these tactics are alienating people. But if they get away with it, they’re like, okay, this seems to be working. Let’s just keep doing more of this. And they’re, they have the temperament of animals. Like, they, they don’t believe in sportsmanship or fair play. And so once they start winning, they get blood on the tongue and it makes them more vicious.

I have noticed that. Yeah. So, last question. I know you think about this a lot since you’re in the tech world, but, like, can they social media, If Trump wins, it’ll be because of social media, new media, there’s no doubt about it. You know, doing Rogan’s endorsement is more significant than any other endorsement other than Elon’s. I would say. Can they allow social media to stay open in the way that they are particularly X to stay open? Well, it’s, it is a giant loophole in their control of the legacy media. Yes. And it’s such a big loophole that it kind of threatens that whole, like, superstructure that has been create or has been revealed.

I think one of the things that’s been most interesting about the last. I don’t. Let’s call it eight years has been that, you know, initially when Trump first won, it was because of issues. You know, it was, you know, kind of, you could call it the old Pap Buchanan issues. It was the border, it was trade. Yes. It was the forever wars. And Trump sort of pulled that sword out of the stone and used it to slay the Bush family dynasty and then the Clinton family dynasty. And if Washington had just taken the note, if they had just said, okay, we need to make an adjustment here in our policies, then the whole country would have been different.

But that’s not how they reacted. They said, we have to stop this no matter what. Even though what did Trump really wanted to do? He just wanted a wall, and he wanted to pull our troops out of wars. We were losing anyway. But that was just totally unacceptable to them. And they reacted with lawfare, with hoaxes, the Russiagate hoax, the scandemic. They. And it was a. It was a collaboration of not just the Democratic Party, it was the Democrats and the whole legacy media running, you know, the Russiagate hoax and the administrative state and the security state.

So, you know, what I think happened is that the opposition to Trump revealed itself to be something much greater than just, you know, a candidate. It’s kind of like, you know, to. You talked about in one of your speeches how this was like the hero’s journey. I mean, act one was sort of him, you know, winning the presidency. Act two was the Empire Strikes Back, and it revealed something about our government, that our government is not just the. You know, it’s not just Trump versus Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. It’s about this larger.

They’re really just a avatar for this larger superstructure, this marriage of sort of government, the permanent government, the administrative state, the legacy media, the Democratic Party, and then all of their various affiliates, whether it’s the big tech platforms that are engaged in censorship or the Hollywood celebrities who are always endorsing. So we kind of learned that. I think we learned something about the nature of our government that we didn’t know before. And this is what I think is so important about this election, is it’s not just about Trump versus Kamala Harris, who’s the president. It’s gonna be about how we’re ruled.

I mean, are we basically ruled by these entities, these corrupt entities who are pretending to be a fair media or a neutral administrative state, but really are in cahoots together to. They’re kind of a ruling class or ruling party that is. It’s really the enemy of democracy. I mean, it’s not. They claim to be democracy, but they’re kind of the enemy of it. It’s basically a bureaucracy. Elon tweeted a really funny meme today where there was someone took a clip of all the legacy media types talking about the threat to democracy and had AI replace the word democracy with bureaucracy.

Yeah, and it made perfect sense. Perfect sense. They’ve just redefined the term. If Kamala Harris can claim to represent Joy, a woman who kissed her own husband with a mask on, then the Democratic Party is about democracy. David Sachs. I think if Trump wins, it’ll be in part due to you and your bravery. So I just want to thank you. Thank you. And hopefully does that. I’m still around. We can go celebrate. Yeah, for sure. Thank you. Thank you, Tucker. So among the many members of this new coalition, you sort of look ahead, you know, who’s going to run the Republican Party in 10 years is someone else from completely outside of politics who I don’t think had any plans on getting into politics.

And who joins us now, Vivek Ramaswamy, who’s really. You almost never see. This is not flattery, it’s real. You almost never see anyone run for president, lose and become enhanced. It’s like everybody runs. You know, Jeb Bush, who was widely regarded as a really smart guy until he ran for president, he realized he’s actually kind of stupid. Everybody who runs and loses, Ron DeSantis, poor Ron DeSantis. I’m not attacking him, but he was diminished. You were enhanced. I’m not quite sure how you did that, but it was amazing. Well, thank you, man. It’s true. I also hope that I’m not running the Republican Party 10 years now because our country’s in great shape in about four years, maybe in about like one year.

And, and we can all find other productive things to do beyond this, this world of politics. But that’s, I think, you know, I don’t get ahead of ourselves, but it’s feeling pretty darn good. Well, it is. And I, and I hate to turn to. Well, I guess now that I no longer work for a TV network, I can turn to whatever I want. But I hate to turn to fake numbers. Yeah. But in the absence of real numbers, let’s dive into the fake numbers for a moment, if you don’t mind. Here are the Wisconsin betting odds generally.

Just say that. I think so. I think betting odds are a better place to look. It’s probably right. The ABC Ipsos poll. Yeah. Okay. We are now on the question of who will win the election in Wisconsin for president. We are. Donald Trump, 56. Carmela Harris, Kamala Harris, 44. Oh. And it’s changing even as we speak. 5644. Well, it’s readjusted. Whatever. It was like, it was like that was as of like 10 minutes ago or something. Right. I think it’s rapidly, I think seconds ago. Yeah. So you think he’s got a shot at Wisconsin? Yeah, I think so.

And I think we’ll know Wisconsin probably before Pennsylvania based on how long they’re actually saying the Ballots are going to take to count, so it might be awful because. Is it because Pennsylvania is such a long state? Yeah. I don’t know. That doesn’t seem like a very satisfying explanation. Oh, okay. In the year 2024 is also a long state, too. It kind of is, too. Right. We’re able to catch rockets falling out of outer space, returning to Earth, but we can’t count some votes that are submitted in the same rates that we did years ago, actually.

It’s such an insult to the third world. Yeah, it actually kind of is, because the third world does it well. You know, actually, for all the stuff about Puerto Rico recently, I went to Puerto Rico. I actually like Puerto Rico. I spent a lot of time there. And they did their elections really well. Single day voting on election day. It’s a holiday for the entire island. Yeah. Paper ballots. And they actually make you like that glass of water. It’s like a die. You finger end. You make sure that they check it like an amusement park to make sure you don’t vote at multiple locations.

People trust the elections. They’re secure. They get the results quickly. Oh, yeah, everyone’s got a purple finger. I’ve seen. You know, I. I think that. I think that we could learn something from Puerto Ric and how they run their elections. And I think that we are the ones actually doing it. The. If a country. Right. Produce reliable electricity, can have free and fair elections, then I think we can, too. Well, I think that they. Tucker, we’re going the other direction. They’re trying to also make sure that we’re not also able to hear. Right. I’m laughing. It’s just messing up our elections is the first step to getting to also not running our electricity by shutting down our coal mines and not fracking for natural gas.

But we’re maybe about seven hours from changing that for the country. So why would Barack Obama. And I’m sorry to be cynical, but I spent. Yeah. You know, all eight years of his presidency in the United States watching carefully. Why would he tweet out, like, it’s. It’s a great thing that it’s going to take days to find out who the new president is. Election workers are heroes. Respect them. Thank them. Don’t share things before checking your sources. I’m trying not to use the F word on. On YouTube, but, like, how dare you, Barack Obama, you liar.

Lecture me about accuracy and then let the process run its course. It takes time to count every ballot. Well, not in India, it doesn’t. Oh, this came out today, though. Yeah. So I think it’s clear why this is coming out today. So Obama’s telling us, like, it’s going to take forever to, you know, we may have leaks in the pipes and polling stations. If Kamala actually was surging, this tweet would not have gone out. So it’s. I mean, whatever. We all know it. Politics is a game of self interest. They don’t want to look like fools at the end of this.

If it goes longer, there’s some probability that things could change in their direction. So, yeah, I mean, I think he’s. He’s tweeting according to his incentives, I think. And again, not. Well, he is. You’re exactly. You’re exactly right. And I don’t mean to feign shock. I’ve. I watched this guy for eight years. But have you ever seen an election go into overtime and the Republican win? No, not that I can remember. You’ve been around long? I don’t think so, no. Yeah, I don’t think this one’s going. I think that, you know, Trump uses expression, I think was smart, too big to rig.

I think we are. It certainly feels to me on our way to get there. I mean, so here’s Chris Wallace. Here’s someone I’ve never quoted. Chris Wallace is one of the most loathsome women in television. But let me just quote this headline. CNN host Chris Wallace argues Kamala Harris would win. Would be, quote, a miracle, given exit polls. Well, I don’t think a miracle is coming for her tonight. And, you know, I mean, look, I think that one of the risks, I mean, I feel. I feel really good about tonight, and that’s great. And hopefully wake up tomorrow morning, maybe even.

And, you know, we know that Donald Trump’s the next president. That’s the start line. Right. And so if you look at just every way this machine we just traced the last year. Right. What is this machine tried to do civil suits first. Yeah. Then criminal suits. Yeah. Then extrajudicial attempts to remove him from the ballot. Then more extrajudicial attempts on his life. One. Not one, but then two. So they’ve tried every trick, and that hasn’t worked. And he is still going to win, it looks like. I don’t want to count on chickens here, but resoundingly, what’s the next remaining step? Is to impede the administration.

And there’s multiple ways to impede it. You can impede it through the front door, you can impede it through the back door. And so I think that in some ways, this idea, and I think the little bit of the feigned retreat, the psyop self consciously. And all of this, even if we’re not aware of it, is that somehow November 5th is like, yes, then we’ve done it, or November 6th, we wake up next tomorrow morning, we think we’ve done it. And I think that’s just us getting started. And I think the real fight in some ways either begins or continues.

Totally. Right. And that’s kind of, I think, the check. Can I ask personal questions? Since, you know, we’re on the Internet, we can say whatever we want. Yeah. How did you wind up. You and Trump have such an easy relationship. He seems to like you, you seem to like him. You ran against each other, but you don’t do the ass kissy thing that a lot of people do. I can’t. Well, okay, but I mean, I watch like Mike Pompeo is like, giving Trump a tongue bath every time. Oh, Donald Trump, your hands are so large or whatever.

It’s just, like, repulsive. And it’s transactional and false, obviously, as Mike Pompeo is. But you don’t do that. You never kiss ass. You’re. But you’re direct and you seem to get along. How, how did you so far get along with the guy you ran against? I guess. Yeah. I mean, I think one of the things that I committed myself to in the race is the easy thing to do would have been to slam Donald Trump for something that he said that you disagreed with. Yeah. And for me, he actually was objectively the best president of the 21st century.

And people said, how could you run against him and say that? Well, first of all, like, that’s like the easiest thing you could possibly say. You got George Bush, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Donald Trump. So it sounded really great, but it’s like, it’s like the most obvious statement I could have made. And people said, oh, is he running as some type of, you know, Trump ally in the race? So, to the contrary, I think we started from a good place. The hottest Supreme Court justice, the best caterer in Tajikistan. Yeah, but, but that understates, actually how good of a job he did.

And I think it’s our candor that allowed us to build a pretty good friendship afterwards as well. I’ve gotten. I knew him for a while, but we’ve only gotten to know each other really well after I left the race this year. And yeah, I don’t, I’m, I’m not a natural sycophant. And I think that Donald Trump actually appreciates having people around him. You know what? I, I agree with that and I respect him more because of that, because that’s not the media narrative that you get about him. But what I’ve seen is he’s somebody who wants to be challenged.

He likes to actually, you know, when he asks you for a question or you’re just giving some sort of nodding response, that’s not helping anybody versus sharing what your actual opinion is. Now, you know, he, and he’ll, he’ll, he’ll bust my ball sometimes for. He’ll say, ty, you talk too fast or give me a headache, but he’s joking around with me. And, you know, I think that that’s part of what’s made us have a. No, I think that’s absolutely right. I think it’s really insightful what you just said. Trump does love the butt kissers, but he likes the people who don’t but kiss even more.

Actually, I, actually, I think that’s true. I think that’s true. Yeah. And good for him. Yeah, more for it, man. So when do you think. I’m sorry to ask you about politics, but you ran. Yeah, I know. When do you think we know? You know, I mean, so a. I should tell you, there’s a lot of things that I think I have authority on. Horse race politics stuff is absolutely not it. But I think probably tomorrow morning. I think Wisconsin, we know by tomorrow morning. So I think basically it’ll go Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia, Wisconsin, and then that’s basically game over.

So Pennsylvania will still take a long time and I think we’re going to win Pennsylvania. Credit to a lot of Elon and Scott Presto and a lot of people who have laid a lot of groundwork there. Not necessarily the traditional party machinery, but the outside of party machinery that’s laid a lot of groundwork there. Not the traditional party. I mean, if you look at, look at Arizona, I’ll give a lot of credit to Turning Point. I think they’ve done a really good job out there. I mean, I visited them recently. The analytics were really, I mean, just like, as like a business person looking into the rigor with which they’re running it there and to some extent in Wisconsin, too.

I’ll give Turning Point a lot of credit for those two regions as well. But who cares about who gets the credit for what? It’s the objective. It’s interesting. No, it doesn’t matter because it’s not the party that did it. You learn for the future. It’s not the RNC. It’s Charlie Kirk who’s like, yeah, 30 and doesn’t have a college degree. And it’s like turns out to be better at. Kind of a genius at this, actually. I absolutely agree with that. And I think a really good guy. But so that’s meaningful, though. So if the biggest players in all of this, you had no background in politics at all, right? Elon Musk.

Totally. Charlie Kirk. I mean, these are just people like Donald Trump himself. Totally. Who came from outside and have really. Do you think Republican Party has permanently changed? Yeah, I do. I think that this is a redefining election. I think that’s what makes this win even more exciting is that the Republican Party, to use a common law ism, we ain’t going back. You know, I think that that’s, that’s true here. And that will be one of the parts of this victory where like I’m just thinking about, I mean, we’re again here talking. Let’s just talk frankly, right? I was on the stage with a lot of people who were of an old garden variety stuffed suit Republican mold from the past.

And that’s not taking anything away from them. I mean, people come in the range of politics. That’s what their career has been. I think the Republican Party of the future is going to be defined by people coming in from the outside who have a fresh perspective, who are able to speak hard truths to Democrats, but also to yesterday’s Republicans as well. And we become, I hope this party of just practiced evolution, right. We’re just repeatedly evolving in a way that it doesn’t become stultified, doesn’t just become tied up to dogmas. And this is something I’ve actually even this, not to get too philosophical, but I don’t want to see the America first movement do what the neocon movement did for 20 years, which is, and I see some of this, right.

We’re the party of the working class to some guy who like 10 years ago was saying something else but doesn’t know why he’s saying it today. I don’t want people saying things out of habit. No, that’s right. We want people who understand why they’re saying them. And you know, people like Elon and people like Bobby Kennedy, who I respect. And J.D. is an outsider. Donald Trump was the ultimate outsider in this. I think that it’s going to take people coming from the outside who are thinking people who, by the way, all of us who I just named don’t agree with each other on 100% of issues.

Right. And that’s cool. But that I think is going to be the character of the new Republican Party going forward. It is new. And this really is going to. And this is a concern for me wreck Mitch McConnell’s retirement party. I think. You know what I mean? Yeah. I just wasn’t around in politics enough to know enough about that legacy to even care about it. So let me just. Let me just bottom line it by saying, yeah, that’s a good thing. It just doesn’t matter to me. Like, Vivek, I think we’re gonna have a long conversation later this week.

I’m looking forward to it. When we’re gonna know. I really am, too. Yeah. About what comes next. Thank you. Take it easy. Good to see you, man. Thank you. All right, so nobody. Nobody has done more live events. No one’s been on the road more. No one has asked for less credit than our next guest, Donald Trump Jr. Don, how many events have you done? I actually don’t know. I know October 2020, I did 104, so I imagine I matched that. Maybe did a little bit more this time around, because that was like peak Covid, and no one was willing to do stuff.

So I can’t tell if I did more or if I did a little less because it was more than just me on the road. But, no, it. It feels really good right now, Tucker. I mean, I died two days ago, but, you know. You know, it’s just. You’re like Joe Biden right now. It’s caffeine, nicotine, testosterone, and adrenaline. That’s all I got. That’s all I got. I don’t have a pulse or a heart rate. You know, it’s FSRIs or Benzo. You have the drugs you just mentioned? I got the drugs. So where. How does it. I’m sure I’ve asked every person the same stupid question, but it is election night, so I can’t control myself.

I got you. I mean, where do you think we actually are? Listen, I’ve done this three times now. I feel this is by far, you know, the most comfortable I’ve been on election. I’m never comfortable. You know me, I sort of function like I’m always three points behind, whether I’m 10 points behind or whether I’m 10 points ahead. Some of it looks really good, man. When I see, you know, the rural vote, you know, turning up. When I see. I mean, we just won Miami Dade by 10 points. Like, that’s. It’s never been read. Ever been read.

We want it by 10 points. So Florida, you know, just a Landslide. You lost it by 30, right? Yeah, we lost it by 30 and 16 and we won it by 10. A 40 point swing in, you know, eight years. That’s pretty significant. Now, you know, that’s a different demographic. Those are people who came from Cuba and Venezuela who are like, yeah, we don’t want to revert back to that. I don’t know if that translates, you know, to the Hispanic population throughout the rest of the country. But, you know, something’s definitely going on. It feels like, you know, North Carolina, where, where we can actually have reasonable and fair elections, where we have rules that aren’t insane, you know, Florida, North Carolina, you know, we can do really well.

I mean, Georgia’s looking good right now. And so it’s going to come down to, you know, one of the blue walls. I mean, do you think it’s fair to say that you’re going to do better in states with voter ID laws? I think without question. So what does that tell you? There’s a reason the other side doesn’t want these things. I mean, it’s not to preserve democracy. It’s to preserve their ability to cheat more easily. Like, of course, like, no one doesn’t believe that. I mean, I imagine in their heart of hearts, even Democrats understand that they’re just okay with the results.

I mean, you know, not exactly preserving democracy, but, you know, that’s always been a soundbite anyway. Right. So at what point will, you know, the outcome, do you think? You know what? I don’t know. You know, I just want people to stay in line. I want them to vote. Vote. You’ll know tonight if it’s decisive, if people stay in line. If our guys show up. What I don’t want to do is give them an excuse to say, well, we’re going to count for two more weeks, so we got to double check this. And then they show up with a trailer full of ballots that are only filled in for the President because that’s all they had time to fill in in some warehouse outside of the district.

But like I said, it’s by far the best I’ve ever felt going in. We just got to finish this thing. How? Looking back, I mean, it’s not over yet, but like, let’s say it’s three days from now and Donald Trump’s the president again. What were the moments, do you think, the pivotal moments in the campaign? Man, there’s so many. Yeah, there are. You know, honestly, the pivotal moments, it’s the craziest thing I’ve ever. Oh, he takes Ohio. Okay, I see that. I mean, now I’ll be curious to see what that is. Hopefully we can grow because, you know, the reality is I want to also make sure we bring, you know, in Ohio, Bernie Marino over the finish line there, because I don’t want it, the presidency without the Senate and the House.

I’ve been there. I’ve done well. So Sherrod Brown in Ohio is the biggest fraud in the United States Senate and really just a loathsome person. Actually, it’s probably Jon Tester in Montana. Well, he’s done. I hope so. And if Tim Sheehy pulls that off, I think that’s great. But, yeah, I mean, all these clowns, they’re running, hey, I’m with Trump. I’m like, well, no, you voted to impeach him twice. You voted with Joe Biden 99% of the time. Like, you’re not with Trump. But, you know, they understand where these people are, you know, and in those, you know, state races, you know, they’re basically lying to them on TV on a daily basis.

I understand it’s politics, but it’s just a flagrant lie. Reyna was up. There’s the Libertarian who I think his campaign was paid for by the Democrats. Of course. I’m sure it was always. It always is. So. Yeah. By the way, if you say you’re for workers and then let in 15 million people into the country, you’re not actually for workers. No, you’re not. Or Americans or anything other than, you know, candidly abject chaos. Oh, totally. And death. But that, you know, that’s the reality. Rather. That’s why I don’t understand about the Democrat Party because they’ve shifted so far from their working class roots.

Yes. You know, now it’s like, you know, I don’t know. Rather than cater to, I don’t know, like those working class people or like your citizens, it’s like, no, no, no, we’re not going to do that. We’re just going to replace them, you know, And I know, you know, a few months ago that was really controversial, but it’s like, what? Well, what else could it possibly be? Like, why, you know, that when, when they let in 20 million people and 600,000 of whom are criminals and 13,000 are murderers and 16,000 are rapists. Like, they know that these are Joe Biden’s, you know, and Kamala Harris.

Texas has been called. Sorry to interrupt you. Yeah. And it looks like Ted Cruz is going to win big down there, too. I don’t know why Texas Made me nervous. I mean, there are just so many illegal aliens in Texas right now. The problem, the real reality is we’ve just flipped Hispanics over there. They’re the people that are actually. And I’ve done events down on the border and all of this, and 56% reporting Ted Cruz at 51.3. Colin Allred. I mean, more money spent for Colin Allred. Like, every. Every actor in Hollywood sent money to Colin Allred.

Well, and that was the same thing. I was with Ted Cruz, you know, back the last time he ran six years ago, you know, and I was with him on the buzzer, hey, can you help us out? And, you know, this is, you know, when it was still a little bit, you know, rougher and, you know, but we had a good relationship by them, and him and I sort of got along pretty quickly. He was. He was sort of quick to come around, actually, after a rough primary. Always bitter, you know, I know. And at 16, it was brutal.

And then, you know, Tommy Hicks, my good buddy, and I, you know, all my. Because of hunting, basically all my friends, you know, half of my friends are Texas, and they’re basically like, hey, you want to come? Which. What the hell was it? It was that Bill Kristol, like, I don’t even know the name of the group anymore. They’re so irrelevant. The hell is the name of that group that they have Bill Kristol’s group? I don’t know, one of those rubber chicken think tank, like Washington D.C. like Hudson Institute or AEI or AEI, you know, is their.

Their dinner. And I was like, I don’t want to go to this. Like, I have no interest. Like, no, you got to come. And it was Ray Washburn and Tommy Hicks, and they basically stuck me at a table. And I’m looking around and everyone’s sort of laughing, and I’m like, I don’t. I’m not. I’m like, why are they laughing? I look down and, like, the place card next to me is Ted Cruz. And this is like, you know, a month after that rough primary. It was pretty brutal and so the funniest primary ever. Rafael Cruz killing jfk.

It was wild. It was wild, you know, and, you know, we sat down and it’s awkward at first, and we started talking. And, you know, at the end of this dinner, I was like, hey, you know, Ted, we’re all going back to the Trump Hotel, back at the time when we had that in D.C. you want to join us for a couple drinks? And he was like, yeah. And you Know what? Honestly? Really? Ted Cruz with a couple of beers in him, super funny guy. Like, we had a great time. He took every selfie that was asked him.

We, like, we had a good relationship from that point, but I was with him, I GUESS it was 18. And that was even before the election. Oh, yeah, that was before the election. And so, you know, we became pretty friendly, you know, and then 18, he was like, hey, can you come down? And we did like five or six events one day, like a week from, you know, his. His race, and he gets his, like, fundraising numbers, and it was like $13 million. He goes, we just set the record ever for like an in state race.

Look at this. This is amazing. And you know, Beta Auroric get. Got his numbers like three hours later, and we just got out done with another event. And like, we get the reporting. Like, like Beto just did 33 million and it’s like, oh, yeah. And like, like he set the record and they tripled it plus, like, kind of thing. And it was like, oh, man. I mean, that’s. And that’s what we’re up against. And when you look at any one of up against right now, it’s three to one. Oh, I believe then it was three to.

You know, and when you think about it, this is not like some unknown race. This is a Texas senator in a Republican state getting outspent 3 to 1. Some of these are 5 to 1. Some of these congressional races, they’re 10 to 1. It’s almost hard to believe, you know, we can compete, you know, against some of that insanity. And none of it’s from in state. None of it represents the values of the people who are actually, I think the presidential race is 3 to 1. Oh, 100%. I mean, she spent a billion dollars. That’s why when people were doing like, well, they moved, you know, $2 out of North Carolina.

I’m like, they really mismanaged their funds that badly that they. They got to pull out 2 million out of a billion from North Carolina. But if someone. If a candidate’s being outspent three to one and all the money is coming from Hollywood and finance, then that candidate, the one who’s being outspent three to one, is the underdog in the race. Oh, yeah. This whole notion that Kamala Harris is the underdog, I’m like, three to one. What are you talking? Like, I don’t think I’ve ever read that, though. I’ve seen people push that, like, like, she’s the underdog.

I’m like, no, no, but I. But the fact that the Trump campaign is being outspent three to one and is still winning is pretty crazy. No, it’s amazing. What. Actually, what I’d love to see, because, like, the country is a business in a way. Like, give someone like, here’s $200 million, you know, and come up with a lower number for the Senate. But, like, you know, they’re going to spend 200 million against Tim Sheehy in Montana, like Chuck Schumer. 200. You know what 200 million is in Montana? A state of a million people with a cheap media market.

Like, that’s like. That’s billions. You know, if you were spending it in a. In a bigger state, it’s. It’s insane. I’d love to see, you know, the presidential race here’s, you know, 300 million apiece. Like, run it like a business, do it efficiently, like, come up with, you know, like, make sure people actually know. Because when you have unlimited funds, it’s sort of like Ukraine, right? When you have unlimited funds, why would you ever get to the table? Why would you ever work? Why would you ever, like, do something smart? You know? I’d love to see something like inherited money.

It’s why they’re all drug addicts, right? Yeah, it’s, It’s. It’s disgusting. And, you know, when I think of the money that’s blown on these things, and then, you know, the special interests and this, and then everyone gets like, man, it’d be nice to cut some of that out and just be able to, like, do what Americans actually want, not what the guy that bought you for the last, you know, two years while you’re running a presidential, you know, actually wants you to do. And so, yeah, I guess that’s why they also hate Trump is like, he hasn’t been bought.

We definitely. He doesn’t care. When he goes fundraisers, I see them yell at these guys that are big donors. They’re like, you. I mean, I won’t even mention names. You’ll know them. Because I’m sure you actually loathe some of these people, because I know I do. But, I mean, I saw a couple times where, you know, they just sort of went really anti Trump and then try to come back around, and he doesn’t even open the door, just talks to them like you would a petulant child. And I’m just like, well, you know, there’s $25 million out the window.

But, man, it was worth listening to that because, well, I just watched that about an hour ago, I don’t know if you were in the room with your dad, but there are all these big donors in the other room right there. And he was joking with one. It was a very famous. One of the richest people in the world. And he starts making fun of him. Yeah. Like. Like, ridiculous. Like, I don’t think anyone has spoken to this billionaire that way ever. And it was, you know, it was joking around, but it was this, this example that I’m talking about, like, was not at all joking around, and it didn’t matter.

Like, it didn’t matter. You just see this guy, it’s, you know, for 12, 15, $20 billion, just, like, walk away with it, like, his tail between his legs. Now, he doesn’t give you the money, which you need to combat some of the stuff. But, like, I was like, you know what? We probably could have deployed that capital, but, man, that was worth it. Like, that was. That was the best 25 million I’ve ever seen. Just burned, like, sit with lighter fluid and set it ablaze. It was sort of like. So, yeah, I. Man, it was interesting.

Like, last night, just, you know, being in Michigan at 2:00 in the morning, watching an entire stadium still energized and invigorated and just being like, sort of, you know, I think we win. I think we do great, like, whatever it is. But it was like, man, that was sort of an end of an era. Like, Trump on the campaign trail. I know. I don’t think we’ll ever. I don’t think we’ll ever see that again. There’s, you know, there’s not enough personality in politics. There’s not enough sort of. It’s so overwhelming. I mean, you can. I met all these people who’ve been to, you know, I’ve been to 40 Trump rallies, and it’s like, why? And the answer is, because they’re so fun.

Yeah. No, I mean, there are people that have been to over 100 that I met, and I’m like, I’m not sure. Like, I’ve been to 100. You know my theory on that, when they’re like, you know, I’m not the guy looking for credit. I’m not the guy, like, trying to know. You’re not. It’s true. I’m not the guy trying to be in the selfie. You know, like, you know, politics. There’s all these people, like, well, why are you here? Like, you could actually do something if you were out of, like, in all fairness, like, you’re adding.

If Trump’s in the room. Like, virtually no one else adds any value, right? Like, it’s like, I’ve been there. Give him a mic, he’ll be fine. He doesn’t need your help. He doesn’t need your like, sage advice of bullshit. But you still see a lot of that where they’re just there to be in the background to be seen there. And I’m like, so I’m the opposite. Yesterday I did want to do the last day. Yesterday was the only day in the entire cycle that I’ve spent with my father. Was it fun? It was great. But I’m kind of like my dad that way.

I rather have the mic also. So it’s like I’m sitting there at the end of four rallies. It’s 5:30 in the morning and I’m exhausted. And you know what it’s like, you get up on the stage when we did our great event up in Jacksonville, and there’s like 17, 000 people there. And I’m like, you get done. It’s like, okay, it’s bedtime. It’s like, yeah, I’m not going to sleep for hours. Like, I’m just. You absorb some of that energy when the car gives you that. You absorb that energy and like, you’re not. So it’s, you know, I’m looking at my dad, I’m like.

And I honestly, I’m always impressed with him and, you know, whether it’s, you know, taking, getting shot in the face and coming back defiant or just. But his overall energy, it’s like, it’s 6am he’s been going since 6am, 24 hours. He’s had the, you know, thousands of people that he’s been entertaining, you know, and you know, his. It’s not like a Kamala Harris speech, which is like seven minutes off a prompter. I mean, you can have a 45 minute speech in the prompter, but he’s up there for, you know, 120 minutes. It’s like, I’m like, for the love of God.

Like, we did the first rally in North Carolina. We got there relatively on time. And like, by the time we got done, we’re like, well, we’re already two hours behind schedule. I’m like, I’m not going to get to sleep tonight, like, and I’m going to be on TV and radio all morning. So I pulled an all nighter, but the guy’s 78, pulls an all nighter, is doing TV all day, doesn’t go to sleep at all. And I’m like, I Don’t even know that. I, like, I don’t have that at 46. Like, it’s, you know, I’m like, tonight he was in there.

I don’t know, you’re probably working, but he was in there. And the returns are coming up. The first, you know, the first tranche at seven, all his biggest donors standing around, and he’s doing this, like, play by play. Yeah. In front of everybody, just for, like 40 minutes. And it’s hilarious. And he remembers everyone, and he remembers when they got on board. Especially, especially the guys that got on early. But it, it, the recall, you know, is actually amazing. You know, like, when they start doing the, like, the most offensive stuff I see is like, when they’re like, well, Trump’s in the later stages of dementia and Alzheimer’s.

I’m like, the same people that told you that Joe Biden is alive and well. I’m like, yeah, I don’t, you know, it’s been a Weekend at Bernie’s for four years. But, you know, he really, you know, he gets it. And so, yeah, no, he’s not, he’s not in the later stages of dimension. You don’t have to like him, but he’s not, he’s not suffering from dementia. Well, you combine, but you combine just the full weight and force of the mainstream media, you know, a trillion dollar industry. You combine that, you, you add in, you know, big tech, you add in, you know, three to one outspin, and it’s like, it’s hard.

Like, I feel like if I was a leftist, like, we’d win elections by like, 99.9 to, like, 0.01. And the 0.01 is like, people who just filled in the wrong circle or something like that. Like, it’s actually hard to believe we can even be competitive. But that’s how insane the Democrat Party is today. I gotta say, for me, there are lots of things I’m looking forward to if he wins. But Nicole Wallace’s response has got to be right at the top of the list. Like, oh, a couple of those. You know, just, you know, I want to, like, juxtapose them to, like, 2016, you know, Martha Raditz, the very, very unbiased moderator of the Hillary Clinton debate.

She’s there in tears on tv. I’m like, like, you think she’s really, like, unbiased? You think there’s even, like, a little bit. And you look at the way they’ve analyzed the coverage, you know, 93% negative against Trump, like, 276% positive for Kamala Harris. I’m like, she hasn’t even given you guys your policies. It’d be one thing if like hey, you excuse just overall, you know, lack of charisma, but like she wouldn’t even tell them their policies. It’s fine, it’s fine. Like we’ll figure out the policies on January 20th. They have no self respect. It’s brutal. Right? Like it’s, it again.

It’s. It’s hard to believe that you can even have a close. Wallace is just. There’s something about her. It’s just. Yeah. When I was a kid, I was a magazine writer and I went down to Florida to interview Jeb Bush on his education policy or he was like an idiot, but I was required to think he was impressive. And Nicole Devinish, she was that then called was the little gatekeeper. I remember thinking this woman’s really stupid and really kind of nasty and self important. And then the next thing I wake up and she’s got a show on MSNBC and she’s like the most dishonest, weepiest, just like sanctimonious.

Don’t you think that her like melting down on MSNBC will make all of it worth it 100%? Like, you know, even, you know, 50 hours of congressional testimony for treason? Like, yeah, like, they’re like, why’d you work so hard on this, Don? It’s like, well, because I don’t want to end up in the gulags next. Yeah, I mean, you and I would have fun. If they put us next to each other, it’d be fine. Separate us. But. But it’s insane. But no, it’s interesting with the media, with politics in general. I came from the business world.

You don’t just get lucky in business. You can get lucky once. But the guys that have 40 year career, they’re impressive people. Politics, media, they’re actually incredibly unimpressive. And it’s sort of amazing. It’s what I love about what’s going on right now. When you have my father and you know, if it have a JD who in all fairness I think I get, I should probably get a little credit for just kind of taking on the billionaire donor class that wanted their puppet VP and me. If only people knew how much credit you deserve. That was a heroic.

I don’t as for much but I was like, I’m all in on it. That story will never be written. But that was one of the great moments in any politics I’ve ever seen. And I’ve seen a lot of politics you definitely exerted. I exerted 10,000% of my political capital. I may get, like. I may get a favor from my father in, like, 2076. You know, I used it all. But, you know, it was great after the debate because I. And it actually worked out. He turned out to be amazing. Just amazing. You know, listen, if I go all in, it’s usually like, I feel really strong.

I don’t go all in often. There’s not a lot of things. I’m sort of indifferent. Like, I’ll work around some of the bad stuff, right? This was one that was, like. It was really important to me. But there have been, like, no hiccups. It’s no. Well, you know, honestly, it’s sort of interesting. I’ve had, like, a lot of these, like, sort of Republican donor class people come up to me, which is really stupid of them, by the way. But they’re like, you know, Don, like, I was mfing you for, like, three weeks about that decision because I really wanted xyz.

And then I’m like, you really shouldn’t tell me that you were doing that behind my back. You know, like, I appreciate the candor now, but I’m like, you know, that, like, I don’t know, like, I’m gonna remember that. Like, it’s like. But they’re like, but you were right. And then, you know, and the only one that mattered. I wanted my father to be happy. But, you know, it was after the debate. You know, my phone’s blowing up in my pocket, and I figured he was press or I’m doing the spin room for, like, two hours after the debate and, you know, doing all this.

My phone came. I’m just, like, turning off my phone, turning off my phone. And it was like, I had, like, 12 missed calls from my dad. I’m like, oh, boy. You know, that’s usually not great. And he just gets on the phone, he goes, you know, Don, you know, I did that for you, Don. But that was a 10. And that, like, you know, like, a huge win in Trump world is like a six. So when he was like, that was a 10. That’s as close to a 10 as you’re going to get. I was like, okay, we did.

We got it. But, you know, he was watching him, even that first week, as the narrative. They were trying to crush this guy. They would have tried to crush anyone. I understand that. But, you know, they’re trying to crush him. And I just watched him on the Sunday shows do three in a row, just absolutely dismantle the narrative. Because our problem on our side is, like, everyone’s. So they want to be loved by these people who literally hate their guts. Oh, yeah. You know, we joke about the gulags, but they would gladly put any one of us in if they could just snap their fingers and make it happen.

And. And it was watching that, where JD didn’t just take their. January 6th was an interaction. Okay. It was an insurrection, but it wasn’t like, no, this is ridiculous. What are you talking about? And just absolutely crush these people. And it’s because no one’s ever pushed back. It’s not that they’re smart. It’s like, people want to get invited back on the show, so they concede so much ground. So you’re starting a negotiation with already less than you’re even hoping to get. And it’s like, well, like, why would you do that? And he’s been one of the first people to really break the mold on that and just sort of, you know, not.

Not just accept the narrative blindly and push back. So it’s been awesome to see, like, well, he can explain himself. And for me, you know, again, there, you know, politics has not been, like, an upside business for us. It’s not a business for us at all. It’s. It’s cost us billions of dollars. Yeah. But, like, I believe in this stuff. And so to know that there’s also someone, like, we have a bench. There’s a. There’s a future of the Republican Party. It’s not like now it reverts back to Mitt Romney and whatever it may be. And, like, that was fun.

See you guys later. You know, America first is alive and well, and, you know, seeing a Vivek and seeing some of these other guys come up there and now step out and, you know, just absolutely dismantle that establishment class. Day in and day out, you can just see, like, truly impressive people actually on our side for a change. And I’m like, this is. This is the way. And I gotta say, I feel personally vindicated because I’ve told you this many times, but I remember five years like, oh, Don Trump’s so stupid. I was like, no, actually, Don’s the smartest guy in the orbit and actually understands politics on a gut level way better than anybody else in the whole.

Yeah, you had a bad news cycle for that. I remember that. I was like, wow, that was pretty cool. Well, it’s true. It’s true. They went after you pretty hard. But I said that because it’s true. And I think now it’s very obvious that it’s true. So congratulations. I think you’ve been vindicated. And I, and I mean, anyway, thank you. Now we just gotta win. Now we just. Good luck, man. I appreciate it. Hold on. Younger voters narrowly going for Trump, 18 to 29 in Michigan are going for Trump. That is crazy. Young people for Trump.

You know, it’s, it’s, Man, I see so much stuff, like if you, if you break it down per capita, like, I actually, in the last, like, two, three months, like, I’ve taken per capita more selfies with, like, black men than any other group. Exactly. You know, it’s, you know, there is a shift, like no one’s buying the nonsense anymore. You know, it doesn’t mean, you know, it doesn’t mean this is it. But it just, it feels so good because of that. It’s like it’s not, you know, the old white guy in a MAGA hat anymore. It’s, it’s a big deal.

Baldwin county flipped it for us. Huh? Trump flipped Baldwin County. It’s 41% black. He’s the first Republican to win in 20 years. Amazing. Amazing. Listen, we just need this stuff to translate through. We need, we need that to translate through in the, you know, in the blue wall and pick off one of those. And I feel like we have a Pretty good night. 93 more electoral votes necessary. So, I mean, we haven’t gotten to the west coast yet, so obviously, you know, she’s going to make up some gains in Washington, Oregon, California, all that. But I’m thinking he’s going to do pretty well in Montana, Idaho, Utah, Arizona and Nevada, maybe.

Nevada. Yeah, I mean, Yeah, I mean, it was interesting. Nevada on the ground at, you know, obviously the Democrats, they’ve owned that for a long time. That’s the Harry Reid machine and everything like that. There we are. I was there a lot and it, it felt pretty good. The betting markets have him at 71% with 291 million in play. That’s. That’s a lot of money. Yeah. It’s a little harder to steal it at this point, but we’ll see. Yeah, well, you know, it’s. People are watching. You know, I never gave, you know, the RNC much credit prior to this, but that, you know, Michael Watley, the whole team, like these guys, you know, lower, like they.

It, you know, it. They got real people on the ground. They got real poll watchers, they got lawyers. So when something started happening, you know, it doesn’t mean they’re going to catch everything. But like, before we were just like, okay, like you can just print some ballots and fill them out and make up the difference, you know, doesn’t mean that won’t happen yet. The Democrats, they’re, I appreciate. Buddy, see you. Thank you, Don. Good to see you, man. So this election is being closely watched by everyone in the United States, but it is maybe even as closely being watched by the rest of the world for whom a lot hangs in the balance.

Nigel Farage is the head of the UK Reform Party. He is the author of the Brexit movement. It’s prime mover, really, someone who will be tied in history, I think, with Donald Trump forever because Brexit happened just as Trump’s candidacy was taking off. He joins us now. Angela, thanks so much, Tucker. Pleasure to be here. So I’m not going to ask you to predict electoral totals in a system that a country you don’t live in. But tell us, I mean, is it an overstatement to say that the rest of the world is watching this really, really carefully? Oh, you bet your life.

I mean, this is, this is big. You think it’s just about America? No, it’s much bigger than that. It’s about leadership of the Western world. It’s about what signal gets sent to dictators all over the world who are launching wars, causing problems. Whether we talk Middle east, whether we talk Ukraine, whether we talk potentially what might happen with China, Taiwan, etc, this is, I tell you something, this is a very, very important moment. I mean, just think in the last four years, what has happened around the world. I mean, the Abraham Accords, which were, I thought in foreign policy terms, the most stunning achievement of the Trump administration.

How on earth he didn’t get the Nobel Peace Prize for that, I really don’t know. That’s been smashed to pieces, the Biden withdrawal of the last 3,000American troops from Afghanistan. And by the way, all they were doing was training, you know, the army who were going out there fighting. Not been a single American soldier killed for the previous 18 months. What happens? Biden withdraws, leaves behind $85 billion worth of prime American military equipment, and Putin says you guys are weak and goes in to Ukraine. So if you think how much has gone wrong in the world, how much more dangerous the world is now than it was four years ago.

This really matters. I mean, Tony Blinken and Biden to the extent he’s been involved, but the entire team have been spreaders of global chaos to an extent we just haven’t seen in my lifetime. And the most telling fact I’m not even sure what to make of it, but I know that it is true, is that both the Arabs and the Israelis seem to be rooting for Trump. I mean, I don’t even know what that means other than why would the Arabs and the Israelis. I mean, I think I know that that’s true. Certainly it’s with public opinion.

Polling in Israel is, like, overwhelming for Trump. Okay, yeah, we know that. But everyone I know in the Arab world, there’s a lot of people are all rooting for Trump. Well, why is that? It’s because they want stability in the world. This is too crazy. It’s scaring everybody. Also, what’s interesting, and by the way, what we’re seeing tonight with the Trump vote is a new coalition emerging in America. Both sides are for Trump. This coalition. What? Yeah. And African Americans. African Americans voting for Hitler. It’s amazing, isn’t it? You know, I mean, you know, it’s incredible.

No, it’s. It’s. I hadn’t even thought of it, but that’s such a smart point. So you have. You have Arabs and Israelis, you have rural whites from North Georgia in the mountains, and then young, urban black men in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Gen Z. Gen Z. Young people. Really interesting to see. There’s a massive change going on here. It’s huge. And can you believe, amongst young people, and I’m getting this on my side of the pond as well, amongst a lot of young people, suddenly to be conservative is cool. It’s trendy, it’s fun, it’s exciting, it’s real.

Because it links into ambition, it links into bettering yourself, it links into wanting to sort of succeed in the world. Now, this new coalition that has formed over the course of these last few months here is remarkable. And actually, I think after the win tonight, and I’m still feeling very bullish about the outcome after this, there is a chance to build something that could last, I think, the many years. Amazing. Last question. Do you think it does seem like Kamala Harris and I understand how the Democrats sort of box themselves in with Kamala Harris, I don’t think that they would have chosen her if they’d had a right, if they were able to sort of plan ahead.

But the idea that Kamala Harris is, like, the most impressive person in a country with 350 million people to lead the most powerful country. The lies that the media are telling us, they seem too preposterous, actually. Like maybe they just went too far. Maybe there’s a lie that’s just too absurd. And that’s why they collapse. Well, hang on, the whole thing’s been absurd. I mean, the last four years have been absurd. I mean, the fact you’ve had a president, you know, openly, obviously senile president, was that obvious to you? Oh, goodness gracious me. I mean, I can see it on day one.

I mean, it was. I mean, the whole thing, I mean, like, what did you think? Like you’re sitting in London. Well, I tell you what. And you’re watching. I tell you what, what does the world think? Well, that’s what I’m asking. What does the world think with it? What on earth has gone on to America? How can they have sunk to bed depths of having a man like this leading them and at the same time making the whole world a more dangerous place? And yet mainstream media covered it all up. Covered it all up. So, yeah, I mean, I mean, the whole thing’s been an embarrassment, really, hasn’t it? But, but, but, I mean, it’s unbelievable.

But also on the coalition, there’s been a coalition of leadership as well. I mean, clearly Donald Trump is way head and shoulders above everybody else. He’s like you in British terms, the king, you know, he’s there in British terms. In British terms, obviously, because we wouldn’t want to mention that here. Be too difficult. But suddenly you’ve got a Kennedy. I know, a Kennedy backing Trump and then you’ve got Elon Musk backing Trump. And this is all part of this remarkable coalition that’s formed. It’s incredible. It’s remarkable. I will see you in London. Look forward to. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you. A big part of that coalition is the most powerful man in sports, one of the most powerful people in American culture. Also a longtime, sincere personal friend of Donald Trump’s. And that would be the great Dana White, who joins us now. I’m doing great, I’m sure coming just from seeing Trump right now. How is he? Yeah, he’s, you know, he’s good. You know, nerve wracking sitting here watching this play out like this. This is, yeah, this is, this is. The betting markets have him in Nevada at 61% likely, comma, 39. I mean, all indicators are really good, right? Yeah, I, I would have to say when the odds makers are saying you’re going to win, it’s usually a good thing.

You know, it’s going to come down to probably Pennsylvania, right? Yeah. I mean, but it looks like he’s going to win a couple states that you don’t expect to win, too. I don’t know, we’re sitting there, he’s fine. He’s eating. I can’t eat. And why are you fasting or two? No, I’m actually not fasting right now, but I’m fasting. This is the most invested thing I’ve been in since. Well, it’s kind of crazy. Yeah. So you, I mean, I think I was there when you endorsed Trump. I don’t know why I think I was, but I think I was.

Well, anyway, you endorsed Trump. You’re one of the very first people in your world to do that, Right? You run a huge business. All kinds of advertisers are very complicated. No one in business makes political endorsements of Donald Trump because it’s like the cost can be really high. You did it anyway. Why’d you do that? I’ve been friends with the guy for a very long time. He’s a good human being, very good person. It’s fascinating to see when the machine comes after you, what is possible. He tried to break him financially, tried to throw him in jail.

Assassination attempt. You know, it’s just, it’s, it’s, it’s unbelievable. And I truly believe he’s the only human being that I know of that could have dealt with this. And, and to actually be here tonight in the election, looking good from the odds makers, it’s just, it’s, it’s an unbelievable roller. You’re in a business full of tough people. So that’s how I told them. I tell them all the time, and I told them tonight. He hasn’t slept in, like, 48 hours. He hasn’t slept in 48 hours. He’s been going to all these different rallies. You know, he’s one of the hard, hardest working, most resilient human beings that I’ve ever met in my life.

And he’s a good person. You know, we both have the privilege of knowing him personally, and it’s amazing when, when the media and the government starts to attack you, what is possible? And I truly believe. Do you feel that at all? I mean, to. Again, if it wasn’t risky, more people would have done it, but more people didn’t. You did it. You’re one of the very first people in your world to endorse Trump. Did you face any penalty for that? No. You know, it’s fascinating. So I don’t post political stuff ever right around the election. I endorsed them in 16.

I endorsed them last year’s put out a video. I went hard on social media this time, and you start to watch if you’re if you’re going to lose followers. I gained 17,000 followers in the last 48 hours, just literally posting hardcore political, really Trump stuff. Yeah, Actually, most people would see their. Their followers dip. Mine actually went up 20,000. So now it’s. We’re completely bulletproof from that kind of stuff. My. My base is hardcore Trump followers and conservative. And why. Why is that? I don’t know. Who knows? It just. It just played out that way. I mean, when you look at our business, when I decided to go through Covid, right.

Our fan base grew 68% through Covid. We didn’t lay anybody off. Everybody got paid their bonuses. We honored every contract, from fighter contracts to sponsorships to television deals, everything. And our fan base supported us. Our fighters wanted to fight. My employees, we’re ready to work. I mean, it’s just. It’s actually pretty fascinating. So when Covid first started, you know, everything started shutting down. I brought all my employees into a big room and said, I don’t understand this thing, but if any of you, you know, don’t feel safe and feel like you want to go home, you’re more than welcome to go home.

Nobody went home. Everybody stayed. And I said, I’m going to figure this out. Don’t worry about this. We’re going to. We’re going to work through this. And a couple weeks later, and that was when he was sitting in office, and he actually put me on the sports task force to help get sports back sooner. But, you know, nobody else was willing to do it. So I said, listen, I’ll be first. I like being first. And we did it. Wow. And we live in America. If I want to support somebody and vote for him and get behind him, a candidate like, my right.

My right to do it. And if you don’t like the fact that I support him, and I could care less. So you’re just. You’re living like it’s 1985. You’re living like it’s the country you grew up in. Yeah, exactly. And nothing bad has happened to you. It’s all. All been upside. Let me tell you this. Not only that, but, you know, all these people that are afraid to come out. Everywhere I go, you know how many altercations I’ve had because I support Trump? Zero. The answer is zero. Everywhere I go, it’s the opposite. People come up to me and thank me.

Thank you for what you’re doing for our country. Thank you for supporting the president. You know that that’s what happens to me when I go out in public. That’s wild. Right? So you live in Vegas. Yep. That’s a key state. It’s huge. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you. And from what I’m hearing, it’s one of the biggest cheating states. Clark county, apparently. Of course it is the county where Las Vegas is culinary union. Big time. Yeah. Yeah. Unite here. How do you feel about what’s going to happen in that state again? My feeling in Vegas is.

Feels like there’s a lot of support for Trump there. When you think about our town, he’s not going to tax tips. He’s not going to tax overtime. I mean, that’s huge for that city. Huge. Yeah. So hopefully we win it. So here’s Glenn Greenwald again for the first time all night. The New York Times needle no longer has the election as a toss up. Now they’re saying Trump is a 65% likelihood to win the election. It is, quote, leaning Trump Now, I think we can say fairly. The New York Times is probably not putting a thumb on the scale for Trump here.

I think that’s fair to say. Yeah. Wow. And here are the batting markets here. We’re back to your world. Donald Trump question. Who win the presidential election? Donald Trump, 74%. Kamala Harris, 26%. With almost $300 million at stake. You have any money on this? No, I should have. You know what? I’m actually pissed at myself that I didn’t bet after the debate. I should have done it. Yeah. How much would you have bet? I don’t know. Wait, after the Trump debate? Yeah, after the debate with Kamala. Really? He actually went up. Oh, she went up a lot.

Yeah. After the debate. What’d you think? So you thought he did. Well, I should have bet. No, I didn’t. I said I should have. I should have bet on it. No, but a lot of Republicans said, oh, man, he’s. He’s in trouble. I’ll always bet on him. I’ll always bet on him. He’s a savage. He’s an absolute animal. He’s a hard worker. He’s absolutely. Okay. So. So. Because I’ve talked to you a lot about your health regimen, which is unbelievable, and I should probably get on it soon. I agree. Yeah. We’re the. We’re the same. I think we’re the same age.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should do it. Yeah. No, I know, I know, I know. Especially travel. I’m gonna. I know I’m gonna stop eating food as soon as this is over. But let me just say, Trump has also not taken your advice. I’M not alone in that. I’ve been all over him. I’ve been all over him. Okay, but wait. Can I say I was. The other night, we were somewhere. Msg, I think. Were you there? Yeah. Okay, so we’re waiting backstage with Trump in his little room, and there’s like. Like Milky Ways and, like, all the stuff he likes, which is, by the way, I’m not judging.

I like it all too. Fanto. There he is. So I told him. I told him, listen, you got to do this. He’s like, ah, you’re too thin. Too thin. You don’t. You look better before he tells me. Yeah. He said that? Yeah, he says. Yeah, he says it all the time. You’re too thin. I don’t. I don’t like too thin. I want. I want some sides. He always tells. But listen, it works for him. No, okay, so that’s okay. But the energy level, you know, he’s unstoppable. It’s. It’s. You know, it’s. It works for him. Okay, but you.

You have made. Just because of your job and your life, and I’ve seen your gym, your personal gym. Like, you’ve made a study of physiology, like, how the human body works, how it’s fueled, how it processes what you eat. Right? How does this guy on Big Macs and Milky Way stay up for 48 hours and remain sharp? Like, how do you do Big Macs, Milky Ways, and Cokes? Yeah, I mean, it’s literally. We’ll be at the fight. He’s 78. He’ll sit at the fights with me all night, right? All night. You’re talking, like, six hours. Because he shows up for the prelims, we hang out in my back room, then we walk out and we watch the fights.

It’s six hours. So I’ll ask him, you want a water? No, no, no. And then somebody will bring him over Coke, and he’ll drink Coke. I’ve never seen him drink water ever. I’m not saying he doesn’t drink water. I’m just saying I’ve never seen it. And we’re friends, and I’ve been around them a long time and a lot. Never seen a water. So, okay, this is. Now I’m. Now I’m really in love. But how does that work? Like, is a science matter. Yeah. I mean, if you look at how sharp this guy is, Like, I’m sitting with him.

I’m sitting with him right now at dinner, and we’re talking about the election. We’re going back and forth. He hasn’t slept in 48 hours. And God knows how much sleep he had before the 48. I’m sure it wasn’t a lot. I’m sure it was under four. Okay. And his cognitive, his energy level, his, you know, so we’re sitting there at the table, right? It’s. It’s me, him, Elon Musk. And I said. He said, hey, now the room’s packed and everybody wants to get to him, right? Right. And they got the food at the other end of the room.

And he says, hey, let’s get up and walk over there and, and go look at the food and see what they got. I said, I think that’s a bad idea. And they’ll bring you the food, whatever you want. Nope. He wants to get up and he wants to walk across the room shaking everybody’s hand, taking pictures, goes over, picks out his food, then we walk all the way around back to the thing. What did he get? He got roast beef and Joe stone crab. You said you’ve never, in all the years you’ve known, see them drink water.

This is one of my favorite tweets of all time. This is from October 16, 2012. This from the Trump Twitter archive. And I’m quoting, the Coca Cola company is not happy with me. That’s okay. I’ll still keep drinking that garbage. Now, that was 12 years ago. He’s still alive. He’s about to win the presidential election. Drinking that garbage. Like. Like, doesn’t this call into question everything you thought you knew about the human body? Well, I. I think that he is. He’s a different animal because I was. I was doing the same thing, minus the Coca Cola, and I was.

I had one foot in the grave. So. And I’m. And I’m 55, okay? Not 78. He’s. He’s. He’s a different animal. He is an absolute beast. This guy doesn’t sleep. He works hard. He flies everywhere. I will send him a text at 10 o’clock in Las Vegas so that he will get the text in the morning when he wakes up, right? He texts me right back immediately. Every time I text him, he’s up. You know, I. He gets pissed off when I. When I FaceTime him, and he hates FaceTime. He’s like, you are the only one I will answer FaceTime for.

I hate this. But he’s always up. I saw Kid Rock to it at dinner the other night. He was in his. He was in his PJs, and he answered it. Yeah. Yeah. He’s. Shouldn’t Scientists study him. Yes. Yes, they should. No, he’s a. He’s a. He’s an absolute workhorse and a great human being. I love the guy. Dana White, Amazing. Congratulations on what looks like a victory. I hope it is. Me, too, brother. Knock on marble. Great to see you. Thank you. Thank you. So great. So God bless you. A lot of the most fervent supporters of Trump and a lot of the smartest and most thoughtful supporters of Trump are people who didn’t originally support Trump and they didn’t change their minds for reasons of expedience.

J.D. vance would be in this category. They really thought through what Trump was about, and people who’ve been forced to think through their views tend to have much deeper and more durable, horrible views. So into this category, along with J.D. vance, I would put Senator Mike Lee of Utah, who is a longtime sort of libertarian, a man of principle, a constitutional scholar suspicious of Trump, has wound up becoming one of Trump’s great champions and allies and most articulate allies in the U.S. senate. We’re really happy to have him here. Senator, thank you very much. Thank you.

Good to be with you. So, again, I feel so low asking all these dumb political questions, but you’ve run a lot of races and you’ve won them all. Where do you think this one stands? Look, Trump’s going to win this. You really think so? I think he’s going to win it. And I think it could easily end up being an electoral landslide. It’s too early to predict that right now, but it’s got the makings of it. I think around the country, people are tired of the policies that have gotten us to where we are. I really, for the life of me, cannot understand how Kamala Harris has gotten away with distancing herself from her own policies, policies of the man who she championed, policies that she shares.

She can’t identify a single piece of daylight between her and Joe Biden. And so I think that’s coming back to haunt her. And I don’t think there’s any way she can win. And I think Trump’s going to finish very strongly tonight. The fact that Trump is leading among young people 18 to 29 in a bunch of different states is just shocking to me. I think Kamala Harris is like, she’s cool. She’s a wine mom. She loves abortion and dancing. She’s friends with P. Diddy or whatever. She’s like, hip. Taylor Swift loves her. You know, you sort of, if you watch your good things, which are, well, not in my view, but if you Watch the View, as I do every day, assiduously.

You think, like, she’s clearly the choice of, like, the hip young people. Right. And it turns out the hip young people think she’s like, a garbage person. Like, they’re not impressed at all. Right. She’s unwatchable. Yeah. That’s why they don’t let her on TV very much. You know, her big TV debut with CNN turned out to be 17 minutes of unwatchability. Did you try to watch it? Yeah, I did. What’d you think? It didn’t go well. You know, I, I, I, I tried to think, okay, well, you know, she showed up. She spoke in what appeared to be English, but that’s about where the connections end.

I don’t think she connected with anyone on that. And I think her whole party must have been thinking, what did we do? We just commandeered the entire electoral process within the Democratic Party to put her up without ever having won a primary. And what did we do? But it was too late to back out by then. Well, it just, it seems like, look, I get that they want, you know, a woman. They want someone who’s at least part black. I guess, you know, they want some non white racial category. Fine. But like, okay, those are your parameters.

You can still find a lot of people who can speak fluent English, who are smart. Like, how do they wind up with her? Like, she doesn’t meet the baseline requirement for politics, which is being able to talk. You’re in politics, you tell me. Yes, well, look, I think it was easy for them to go to her because naturally, she’s vice president. She was next in, of course. Right. So they went there. But I think nobody stopped to look when they were selecting her as vice president in the first place. Can she really go the distance? Does she has the policy chops to do this? Does she have the ability to communicate to where she can be the standard bearer for the Democratic Party? I really don’t think they fully examined that in their unfettered exuberance at the time they chose her in 2020.

They just thought, oh, it’ll all work out. But I mean, you’ve been around this. How long have you been in the Senate? 14 years. 14 years, right. So you’ve seen a lot of the process. And isn’t there a point at which you sit down with the person and, like, really talk, go out to dinner? Yes. Get a sense. Is this person, can this person, you know, defend his or her views? Does he or she have real views? Like, who is this? Like, no one Ever did that with her. It is unthinkable to me that they would do that, particularly Joe Biden.

Joe Biden was tying himself to her. He knew that at the time. And, Tucker, before I endorse a Senate candidate, particularly if it’s in a. In a primary. Primary. You’re famous for this, by the way. I give them interview. I. I talk for, like, couple hours, bare minimum, because I want to make sure that I know now that that is a far cry from the presidency of the United States. It is unthinkable to me that I would tie my name to somebody when endorsing them in a Senate primary. But this is magnified so many hundreds of times over with the presidency.

I don’t know what was going on there, but I don’t think there was a whole lot going on with Joe Biden to begin with. It does make you pretty nervous about the whole infrastructure of the United States because if they would. Would elevate someone like Kamala Harris consistently throughout her whole career to the presidential nominee, who are they making air traffic controllers and heart surgeons and who’s running the VA and like, there are a lot of important jobs in this country, and if the criteria are just the way you look. Right, right. Totally incompetent people are in really important positions right now, which is scary.

Well, you mentioned the FAA and air traffic controllers. That’s one of those areas where they have taken a very radical DEI position, where they’ve actually taken out some of their minimum criteria in the past, aptitudes for math and science and that sort of thing, and they’ve replaced it literally with demographic material of the sort that really violates on its face, the equal protection clause. So that’s a big problem, and it’s a problem that creates bad consequences. You know, when those who drafted the 14th Amendment and the equal protection clause, what they had in mind was that race doesn’t matter and that government’s position must always be that race doesn’t matter.

And so all of a sudden, when you make it matter, you’re excluding all kinds of other things that do matter. And that’s a problem. It’s really shocking. I mean, she’s. And you’re not allowed to say she’s an affirmative action hire, but, gosh, I mean, she really is like, she’s the definition of it. But. But the reason that’s. That’s a fair observation here is that Joe Biden himself told us that Joe Biden told us that was her qualification, just like he did with Ketanji Brown, Jackson he said, I’m going to pick someone who is of this gender and of this race.

That is really insulting to the person he picks. It’s unbelievable. So let’s ask you one last question. I don’t know the answer to this and maybe you will. This is a Daily Mail piece just came out this afternoon. US to test hypersonic nuclear missile tonight, just hours after election polls close amid growing World War three fears. What the hell is that? I don’t know. That seems like a really odd choice. I don’t know why November 5th would have to be the day when that. It’s an intercontinental ballistic missile, the Minuteman 2, scheduled to blast off between 11:01pm and 5:01am from California’s Vandenberg Space Force Base.

I. Why would you have a nuclear missile test on the same day as a presidential election? Let me put the most favorable spin on this that I possibly can. The most favorable spin I can put on that one was that some pinheads in the Pentagon are totally tone deaf on political matters and didn’t have the election in mind when they did this. If that’s the case, that’s really weird. I don’t like this at all. I think there are 364 other days they could have chosen for this year. Why Election Day? Why, why the night after the entire country has just voted? I think that’s really bizarre.

Well, it is bizarre. It is bizarre. Maybe you can get them to change it. Give them a call, Tucker. They’ll listen to you. Senator Mike Lee of Utah, thank you. You’ve been such an incredible. You just spoke on Trump’s behalf. I thought you gave one of the best. Was that at Madison Square Garden? That was in Arizona. Arizona. Sorry. God, I’ve been on the road too much. Well, you’re amazing. It was a big arena. Sorry, it’s been a blur of big arenas. Thank you. Thank you. Great to see you. Good to be with you. Likewise. Thank you.

Thank you. So when historians look back on this campaign, and presumably books will be written about it, and probably the first six or seven of them will be completely dishonest. But when the distance has grown sufficient that we can be honest about what happened, I think we will understand that, that the endorsement of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Of Donald Trump in this campaign, late in this campaign, was, was a, was a sea change in American politics. Not, not just a benefit to Trump at the time, but a sign of a true realignment long overdue in the parties.

And I think it’s really obvious. I wish more people would say it. Bobby Kennedy joins us now. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. So do you have. Do you have. I mean, you’ve been right in the middle of it, but you’ve campaigned so hard for Trump that it was a little stunning, actually. I think you were working every bit as hard on his behalf as you were on your own behalf, which is amazing. But have you had any time to think about what this means? You are campaigning for Donald Trump. It looks like he’s likely to win, says the New York Times.

Like, what. What does this mean for American politics going forward? You know, he’s unlike any politician that we’ve seen in American history. Maybe the one comparison that I would make would be Andrew Jackson. Yes. Because Andrew Jackson came in without any money or, you know, or backing from powerful interests. Everybody was against him, but he was truly a populist candidate. And he came in and did things that nobody thought was possible. To challenge the banks. Yes. And dismantle the banks and to install a lot of people who, you know, were kind of heretics in public office.

And a lot of people think that Trump is a conventional politician because the last time around, he initially appointed a lot of very conventional people of lobbyists, et cetera. Yeah. People don’t remember. Almost his entire cabinet was gone within two years. Yes. As he learned to govern. And he wants to do, you know, he will do what he wants to do. And I spent two days with him recently, and he was saying things that were kind of shocking to me. You know, he was saying things like that, you know, the. The kind of change, the level of change that he wants to make in our government, I think is going to be unprecedented and shocking to you.

In a good way. Yeah, in a good way. But just, you know, that any poly. It’s so impolitic. He’s an impolitic guy. And he, I think he, you know, he’s a guy that does what he wants to do. Well, can I get. He wants a revolution, and I think he’s going to get one. This is. This is a tweet from you. I’m noticing this. 23.5 million views. Let me just read your tweet back to you. On January 20th, the Trump White House will advise all US water systems to remove fluoride from public water, period. Fluoride is an industrial waste associated with arthritis, bone fractures, bone cancer, IQ lost, neurodevelopmental disorders, and thyroid disease.

President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump want to make America healthy again. Again. I mean, that just caused well, 23.5 million people thought it was pretty great. The news media hated it. Is that part of your talk? It’s interesting because there was a case that was handed down on October 4th on fluoride. And it was an Obama appointed judge, a federal judge, and it was brought to challenge EPA for never having done safety studies. You know, fluoride was put in the water. No way. Yeah. Fluoride was put in the water in 1940s and it was, it was put in the water to stop tooth decay.

Yes. But now it’s recognized that most of our mouthwashes and toothpastes have fluoride in them. And you don’t need fluoride in the water. And it’s a very inefficient way of preventing tooth decay because you’re getting it in people’s blood and that’s how it’s exposing the teeth. And as it turns out, fluoride is very, very dangerous. It causes IQ loss. We know they haven’t done a lot of studies that they should have done, but there are extensive studies that show if you put fluoride in water at double the rate that EPA now allows, that is in all of our water systems that use it in this country.

And it causes dramatic IQ loss in children and particularly in unborn fetuses. It also causes bone cancer. And we had an explosion of bone cancer beginning in the 1940s. It causes arthritis and it causes. And it causes the deterioration of bones, a bone fractures, and it causes thyroid and thyroid injuries. It also calcifies the pineal gland of the human brain, which is the part of our brain that actually creates our spiritual feelings. And, and so it’s something. Yeah, it’s something that, that you wouldn’t want in a water supply. And it’s a very easy. It’s going to have to be taken out anyway because of this court case.

But the EPA will drag its feet and take 10 years or 15 years. This is so shocking to me because, you know, being against Floyd in the water was the single most reliable marker of mental illness according to the US media for like 60 years. Well, you know, it was, it was the, it was the subject of a conspiracy theory. Right. Being put in our water by communists. Exactly. To SAP the vigor from the American people. And as it turns out, you know, it actually. The health injuries that were predicted for it were not exactly. But there are profound health injuries.

And it’s just in some of it in our water. It’s absolutely a. So why would EPA fight the removal? CDC says it’s one of the 10 greatest health introductions of any or inventions of any in the 20th century. And so they, you know, they’ve stuck their neck. It’s like everything else that they do. They stick their neck out on something, they promote it to the American public, and then they don’t want to dial it back. They do not want to admit that they made a mistake. And they do this with a lot of products. Once they approve them, they’re going to fight to keep them there.

But, you know, it’s one of the easiest thing you can do to start restoring American health is just get the floor out of the water. You’re going to have higher IQ children, you’re going to have less bone cancer, less. This is crazy. Yeah. So here’s something else that you can do which should not be controversial. You took, you know, whatever. Anyone who questions vaccines gets attacked. I don’t even want to bring up the topic with you. You spent a lot of time debating it. I’m not going to ask you to again. But the question of whether any product should have blanket liability from lawsuits.

Yeah, a liability shield. A liability. I don’t understand that. Like, if I have a product, nicotine pouches, I can’t get the Congress to require every American to use these fire people who don’t use them and then get blanket shield from lawsuit. Like, that’s so crazy that any pharma company has a blanket shield from lawsuits for any product that it sells. Can that be fixed? Well, that, you know, is done by statutes. Yes. There’s a 1986 law that gave the vaccine companies a liability shield. And the problem is with that, the. And the reason that happened, Tucker, when I was a kid, there were three vaccines.

And my kids now were required to take 72 vaccines. And they’ve just added, I think, another six vaccines, the COVID vaccines and flu vaccines. This schedule in their early 70s, they added a vaccine called the diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis vaccine. An NIH study showed that vaccine, that particular vaccine, which has been withdrawn in America, we still give it to African children, causes death or profound brain injuries in one out of every 300 kids who gets it. So they took it off the market. But Wyeth, which is now Pfizer, went to the Reagan White House and told Reagan, look, we’re losing $20 in downstream liability for every dollar that we’re collecting in revenue.

And unless you give us a liability shield, we’re going to stop making all vaccines. And the Reagan actually said to them, sensibly and it wasn’t just Reagan. My uncle Ted Kennedy was the head of the Senate committee at that time that went along with this very reluctantly. Reagan was very reluctant. He said to the vaccine companies, why don’t you make them safe? Good question. Wyeth said, because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. And that phrase is actually in the preamble of the statute. And it’s in the Breuzewitz decision, which is the Supreme Court decision that upheld the statute.

Now, I just want to make this clear. I don’t want to take vaccines away from people, right? I don’t want to impose my choices on the American public. If vaccines are working for you, you ought to be able to get them. And I’ll make sure that that happens. But people should have informed choice. So they should have good science that tells them the cost and the benefits of these products. And particularly since they’re being ordered to use them. 6 million kids a year are required to use them and they’re healthy children. So it’s the only medical product that’s given to healthy people.

You want a product like that to be extra solid to make sure there’s no risk, because you can tell, you know, there’s certain risks that you’ll take if you’re sick to get better, of course. But if you’re not sick and you shouldn’t be required to take a product unless it is ironclad, unless you know what the, you know what all the costs and benefits are. And the problem with vaccines is that they were originally introduced by the Public Health Service, which was one of the five uniform military services. That’s why there’s a Surgeon General and the Public Health Service introduced them and pushed them as a national security defense against biological attacks on our country.

So they wanted to make sure that if the Russians attacked us with anthrax or with some other biological agent, they could quickly formulate a vaccine and then deploy it to 220 million American civilians without regulatory impediments. A normal medical product takes about eight years to get to market because it has to go through double blind, placebo, controlled trials. And you need to see long term effects. There are many effects from every medical product that have long diagnostic horizons, long incubation periods. They didn’t want to go through that because they said it’s going to be a national emergency.

So instead of calling it a medicine, we’re going to call it a biologic and we’re going to exempt biologics from pre licensing safety studies. So there’s no vaccine on that schedule, that’s 72 vaccines that has ever gone through a prelicensing safety study, placebo controlled trial against a real placebo. And that’s wrong because that means that nobody knows what the risk profiles are on these products, and nobody can tell you whether that product is averting more problems than it’s causing. And what I will do if I’m given this job in the White House is I’ll make sure that those studies get done, that there are people on the panels that approve these products that are not loaded with conflicts of interest.

So it’s real science by, you know, by disinterested people. Right. And that doctors and patients and Americans know exactly what the cause and benefits of every vaccine are and can make a rational decision. God bless you for that. When you say, if I’m given this job, can you be for people who aren’t following this, can you be more specific about what job you’re talking about? Well, President Trump has asked me to. He’s asked me to do three things. He’s asked me in terms of the public health agencies. He’s asked me, number one, to get rid of the corruption, rid of the conflicts, the agency capture phenomena that has turned these public health agencies away from public health.

And their principal objective now is to advance the mercantile interests of the pharmaceutical companies. And he wants to get rid, number one, get rid of the corruption. Number two, return these agencies to the gold standard. Scientific research and evidence based research, empirically based science that when you and I were kids, they were famous for around the world. They’ve lost that reputation now because they’ve been captured by industry. And then, number three, to end the chronic disease epidemic. And President Trump has told me he wants to see concrete, measurable results within two years. And I promised him that I could do that.

Now, whether that means as an HHS secretary or whether it means as a health czar within the White House, we haven’t figured out yet. But one way or another, we are going to end the chronic disease. The reason that I think that you will be given the authority to do that is because I’ve been at a bunch of different public events with you over the past couple of months, and the reception that you receive from Trump’s voters is so shocking to me, second only to Trump himself. But all the people I’ve seen with Trump, you get the biggest response from Republican voters.

It just. It’s so. Is that shocking to you? Well, you know, it is shocking. And, you know, I was just out here. I mean, your name is Bobby Kennedy, and they love you. Well, they. You know, there’s been a complete inversion between the Democratic and Republican Party party. When I was a kid, the Democratic Party was the party of peace. Now it’s the party of war. It’s the party of Dick Cheney, John Bolton, the military industrial complex, the Ukraine war, they own it. It was the party of constitutional rights. Now it’s the party of surveillance and censorship and the weaponization of the federal law enforcement agencies against American democracy.

It was the party that stood up for working people, for poor people, for labor unions. And today it is the party of Big pharma, Wall Street, Big Tech, Big ag, the military industrial complex, Big Data and Wall Street. And it is also the party that’s completely abandoned and the working class base in this country. You look at the labor unions with Sean O’Brien, who’s the head of the biggest union in our country and who’s a beautiful man, incredible man, excellent guy. I agree. He’s an insurgent. He came out of Boston, he overthrew the old Hoffa legates of the Teamsters, and he is the most popular president that they’ve had in generations.

And almost 70%, I think 65% of Teamsters are now are Trumpers. This is true in labor unions across the country. The rank and file that the leaders of the union are often still Democrat. The rank and fire are overwhelmingly Republican. And that was not true when I was a kid. And you know, one of the interesting things, when I was a kid, the Republican Party was the party that had all the money because they had all the big corporates on their side. The catalog party. 70, when I was a kid, 70%. In 1980, when I ran part of my uncle ted’s presidential campaign, 70% of the wealth in this country was owned by Republicans, 30% was owned by Democrats.

In 2020, 70% of the wealth in this country was owned by Democrats and 30% Republicans. So you’ve had this complete inversion of the two parties. And I’ll give you another example. My uncle Ted Kennedy wrote title nine, the Democratic Party, one of the core issues was women’s sports. And today the Democratic Party is the party that is dismantling women’s sports. I read that there have been now, I think, over 2,000 or 3,000 medals that have been given to male athletes playing women’s sports. So those are medals that did not go to women who, you know, who should be getting.

I have a, I have a niece and you know, her brother, twin brother, Jackson. My niece Zoe is at Boston College. She’s on the softball team at Boston College. She’s a full scholarship, and she’s one of the best players on the team. And when she was growing up, all of her siblings would come to Cape Cod in the summer and they’d play with, you know, all their Kennedy cousins. And I took their family skiing during the winter. But she wouldn’t come because she had to stay at home and practice her sport, because her whole life trajectory was making sure she got a college scholarship.

And that was how she was going to define. She planned her life around it. It would seem really unfair if a boy could walk off a softball field or a baseball field at Boston College, walk onto the women’s softball team and take her spot. And that it seems weird that the Democrats are, you know, are urging us to allow that to happen. But that’s exactly what’s happening, and nobody can argue with it. But did you. I’m looking at the betting markets now with almost $300 million at stake. Donald Trump is the choice of 74% predicting he’s going to win.

Seems significant. Did if someone had asked you, like at dinner 10 years ago, do you think at some point Bobby Kennedy will change the Republican Party? I would have bet $1 million. A very, very good odds for somebody. So, yeah, you know, even a year ago, this would have been unimaginable to be, for me to be here tonight. Why did the Kamala Harris campaign, I mean, you suspended your campaign. Why didn’t. I don’t understand. You had demonstrated broad popularity, particularly among, with young people and with politically agnostic people who could kind of go either direction. Why wouldn’t, why didn’t they call you and say, what can we do to bring you into our campaign? And this is another sort of interesting feature of this whole trend.

The Democratic Party that I grew up with was the party that was fighting to. The party of Robert Kennedy and John Kennedy and Martin Luther King was fighting to make sure every American could vote for whatever candidate they wanted to vote for. And the Democratic Party today is the Democratic Party that has abandoned democracy. And also, you know, that the censorship angle, what they’re doing with censorship of saying the government ought to be the arbiter of what’s misinformation or disinformation. And the word misinformation is just a youth misery has nothing to do with factual accuracy, as you know.

So it’s just a euphemism for anything that challenges government orthodoxies. So they’ve lost. My uncle said a country, a nation or government that Wants to silence debate is a government that’s lost faith in the people. So they’ve lost faith in the demos, the people, and including having to abolish elections. So during the primary they, they wouldn’t let me run an election against Joe Biden. They literally canceled the primaries in many of the states. They moved the New Hampshire primary, which was the primary that I was very strong in. They actually, they, they actually adopted 60 rules.

And one of those rules was to illustrate the absurdity, the kind of Orwellian absurdity that I found myself confronting, they adopted a rule that said that after I was already doing very well in New Hampshire, that any Democratic party candidate that stepped foot into the state of New Hampshire could not win any delegates there, no matter how many votes they won. So they were rigging the party to make sure that they could protect the President who was cognitively impaired and they made sure he didn’t debate anybody. I was winning in all these demographics, I was winning both beating both candidates, both Trump and Biden in people and Americans under 35.

I was beating them in the battleground states and Americans under 45. I was beating them with independent voters and head to head races. I was beating both candidates. And so I could have beaten, you know, I could have won the election for the Democrats if they had allowed me to run, run. And I’m not saying I’m the only one. There are probably many candidates that could have been outperformed Joe Biden, but they wouldn’t let us run. And then they did, you know, when they, when they had the debate and they, and it was exposed to the world what they knew inside the White House at President Biden had these severe debilitating cognitive deficits.

They, he had already won the, technically the primaries that they did have, but they just performed a palace coup against them. We don’t even know how it happened. And then they picked a candidate who never got a single vote. So you had this democracy free primary process and the Democratic Party defense of it was extraordinary. One of the great moments this campaign for me, the television moments was when Chris Cuomo was standing on the floor of the Democratic convention and he pointed up to the upper decks with the owner’s boxes on that upper rim and he said, those are the people that are running this party and making these choices.

Those are the people that are. And we don’t know, nobody knows who they are. They’re the billion dollar Democratic donors. And so they abolished democracy and they chose a candidate who is not, has not been a good candidate, a candidate who does not seem to be able to talk off script. The problem that brings up is who’s writing the scripts for. And at the Democratic Convention, it was the neocons. The speech that she gave was the most undemocratic speech I’ve ever heard at a Democratic Convention. It was a speech all about this belligerent, pugnacious speech about America being the policeman of the world and, you know, dominating the world and running the world.

And right before her, immediately before her, they had a CIA former director speak, which, you know, that was anathema to the Democratic Party that I grew up with. So who is writing her scripts and who will be writing her scripts if she gets into the White House? Who will be writing. She can’t do conversations like this. She can’t do. She’s not going to be able to do conversations with world leaders. She needs a script for everything she does. And who is going to be doing that? It’s going to be, as my son Connor says, a bunch of anonymous men in lanyards, you know, men and women who lanyards who are, who, we don’t know who.

If you sneak into the oval office at 2:00 in the morning, there’s a guy there with his feet up on the desk and say, who? You’ve never seen who’s like the real President of the United States, you know, and you don’t know who it is. We need somebody who’s willing to stand up to the military industrial complex for these big institutions. Let me say one other thing. When my uncle was president, he there, you know, there during the Cuban Missile crisis, he had the entire intelligence apparatus in the military brass telling him, you got to bomb Cuba.

You got a bomb. There’s 64 missiles in Cuba and you got to bomb each one of those. My uncle said to them, well, how many men is that going to kill? And they said, well, there’s 500 guys at each of those sites who are manning the site sides. My uncle said, are those Russians or are they Cubans? And they said, we think they’re probably Russians, but we don’t know. My uncle said, if I kill all those Russians, isn’t Khrushchev going to have to go into Berlin and we’re in World War Three? And they said, we don’t think he has the guts to do it.

And that that was their real logic. And my uncle, you know, had a vote of his Excom committee, which was 13 people, including my father and Bob Magnum there, who were making the decision. And they voted 8 to 6 to bomb. This was the last day. And my uncle said, the sixes have it. In other words, he was making the decision. He would take advice from them. When I was on the plane the other day with President Trump, we were talking about the Mideast. And he took a piece of paper and he drew on it, map of the Mideast as all the nations are it, which most Americans couldn’t do.

No. And he wrote in each country the troop strength. And he was particularly looking at the border between Syria and Turkey. And he said, we have 500 men on the border of Syria and Turkey and a little encampment that was bombed. And he said, There’s 750,000 troops in Turkey. There’s 250,000 in Syria. If they go up against each other, we’re in the middle. And he said to his general, generals, what’s going to happen to those 500 men? And his general said to him, they’re going to be cannon fodder. And he said, get them out. So we want a president who has that knowledge.

He’s going to ask those rational questions and then is going to make good decisions for the American people. Make sure I got this right. Trump on the plane the other day, drew a map of. He drew a map of the Mideast. An accurate map. Yeah, an accurate map of the Middle East. With troops strength. Yes, with troop strength in each of the nations. So, you know, I saw that, and it reminded me of the Cuban Missile Crisis. And I. I know Kamala Harris could not do that. You know, I’ve seen her interviews explaining Ukraine war, and they’re sophomoric.

So. And I don’t want to say bad things about people, but, you know, she just is not. She does not have any idea about the uses of power. She does not have the capacity to sign up to a military and intelligence apparatus that wants this country in perpetual war. And I don’t think that, you know, and I do believe when Trump says that she’s going to get us into nuclear war, they’re not talking to the Russians. She will never have a conversation with Putin, and Biden won’t either. It’s crazy. You know, Trump. The Democrats all criticize Trump because he went and talked to Kim Jong Un and he talked to Putin.

They say, oh, he loves dictators. No, my uncle was in the same situation where the CIA had no idea what was happening in Moscow. And, you know, they had law. All of their spies had been killed, and they just said, you know, here’s the way they think. My uncle was saying, how do you know that? They said it’s a monolith. And my uncle said it couldn’t be a monolith. It has to be like Boston politics where they’re all trying to stab each other in the back. You know, let’s and see. I had no idea. So my uncle installed a hotline in the White House and a hotline in our house at the Cave.

The wires of it are still coming out of my brother’s. The wall of my brother’s house. Red wires. So he could pick up the phone and talk to Khrushchev 24 hours. And then they started corresponding with each other. They sent 26 letters back and forth. They were smuggled by a GRU spy called Georgie Polskoy, who. Who my uncle trusted and Khrushchev trusted because they didn’t want to involve the military industrial complex of the intelligence. Exactly. Those guys are still there. They still want perpetual war. And we need a president who’s going to make up his own mind about things and who is going to challenge his own military advisors.

People like Tony Blinken and Jake Sullivan and the people who want to keep Victoria Nuland. The people who want to keep us in a perpetual war and who are going to get us into a nuclear war. Well, I think we may get one. The New York Times is. This is breaking right now. Is estimating again it’s New York Times who knows but that Trump will win the popular vote. They’re saying he is more likely than Kamala Harris to win the popular vote. As of right now, I don’t think a Republican has won the popular vote since 2004.

Is that. I think that’s right. Yeah. I think, yeah. Since the post 911 election. George W. Bush. But it’s, you know, 20 years never happened. So if that happens happen I. You were a figure out of history now very obviously and I appreciate everything you’ve done and I, I can’t wait to see what you. Well, I appreciate what you’ve done. I haven’t done much. I’m not going to make America healthy again. But I think you are. Thank you, Robert. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, Tucker. Amazing. So we have, you know, wind pretty nonstop for the past.

I have for the past 10 years about the loathsome state of the American media. Doesn’t mean everyone in the media is loathsome. There are a few honest voices. Bye guys. See ya. And Miranda Devine is at the top of the list. Miranda Devine of the New York Post who single handedly took on the censorship state in 2020 with the hunter Biden laptop story. Thank you very much. Thank you, Tucker. Looks like Trump’s going to win. Well, it certainly feels like that in the ballroom where Trump came in at about quarter to nine to a huge, you know, ovation from the crowd.

Ballroom here. The ballroom here at Mar a Lago. I’m stuck in this little room. I have no idea what’s going on. There’s sushi, Wellington. And look at what we’re missing, Ben. I mean, it’s great food, lots of champagne flowing, and he’s sitting there. He’s got Dana White next to him. And then on the other side of Dana White is Elon Musk. And everyone’s chatting very companionably. But Trump keeps on turning around because CNN’s on the big screen behind him and all he wants to see is Jake Tapper’s sad face and Jake Tapper and all the CNN people looking miserable.

Actually, as the night’s going on. I was on the set at CNN in 2000 when Bush won. Yeah. Or when Gore didn’t win, more precisely. And I remember the sadness then. It’s so nice to see they haven’t changed. We should be kind to them. So the. Okay, what? There he is there. Is that the aforementioned anchor looking very, very upset, grim and very. Wearing a vest. You don’t see that very often. So Trump in the betting markets now, 86%, $304 million on the line, who will win the presidential election? 86% of betters believe Donald Trump. Doesn’t mean he’s going to win, but it means that he seems to be winning.

But that’s moved enormously today. Yeah. So where are we in Pennsylvania? Ben, will you bring that up a little bit more? Trump is ahead, it looks like. Ooh, wow, that’s quick. Sizably ahead with 54% of votes counted. That’s flipped in the last hour. Yeah, it has, but, you know, it’s, it’s. What are we, two hours after polls closed in Pennsylvania and postal votes and they can’t make out first, and 2 hours and 23 minutes after they closed it, really. I mean, since you’re from a foreign country, long time American, but from abroad, you have, you have international perspective.

The way that our votes are counted does seem like a national show. Crazy. I know. Okay. It is, right? It really is. Okay. Yeah. I mean, look, Australia’s a tiny country, but, you know, the result within a few hours. Same with the uk, same with Europe. I mean, France does not allow mail in voting or Machines, they have a very clean system. In the uk they brought in voter ID just a couple of years ago, which has, I think, a population roughly the size of Australia’s. Yeah, yeah, they can do it. Well, they call it in one minute.

Yeah. Right. So if you have a state that doesn’t even try to call it within a few days, what do you have? I mean, what do you have? What are you looking at? I mean, this is the country that sent man to the moon, right? Surely, supposedly. No, I’m sure we did, I guess, but, but certainly there’s a lot of advanced technology in the United States. Well, Elon Musk just has a rocket that can catch itself on its way home. So surely we can make sure that the voting system is not so antiquated. So can you just wax lyrical a little bit about Donald Trump’s story arc? So you’re writing, let’s say you’re writing this novel about Donald Trump and here you have a guy who you know, is the, is the darling of the media world.

He’s of course part of his, the highest rated person in television, goes into politics he’s hated, called a racist, loses, and then he comes back and wins with a larger vote of percentage of the non white vote than any Republican ever. This racist. Like what, what are we, I mean, what are we watching here? I’ve never seen a redemption story like this. Well, let’s hope that you’re not jumping the gun. But yeah, I mean, that’s the way it looks if you’re writing a novel. And I think, look, even if Trump loses, look, he’s been outspent three to one.

He’s been arrested, demonized, villainized. He’s had his mugshot taken. He’s had the entire media establishment against him. The entire blob, the CIA, the FBI, they’ve all been against him. It’s the most incredible comeback story. And you know, he could have slinked off after 2020 and had a comfortable life and probably ingratiated himself back with the lefties, but he didn’t. He chose to go the difficult route and he’s ahead as of right now. Could change. But in Wisconsin, amazing. It’s very, very tight. But he is, he’s ahead. You know, I think that that assassination attempt in Butler where he stood up and did fight, fight, fight, I think that transformed it certainly was the galvanizing reason for Elon Musk to come out of the shadows.

And I think Joe Rogan as well, I think a lot of men particularly, but women as well, just Recognize there is a once in a lifetime courage and leadership like a Genghis Khan style leadership, seriously, with your children. But yes, same idea. But you don’t have that sort of historical figure come to you very often. And the country’s in dire need of a figure like that. So as repellent as many Americans find him, I think enough Americans love him, looks like the majority, I mean, he may even win the popular vote. What a repudiation of the New York Times and CNN and the rest of them who have treated him as if they’ve called him a Nazi.

Well, will it be read that way? So Trump, I mean, you spent your life in newsrooms. Your father was a well known journalist. I mean you’ve really been in this business your whole life. What’s their re? Let’s say Trump wins, let’s say wins the popular vote. Let’s say he wins a majority or close to of Hispanic voters. This famous racist Mr. Taco Bowl. Like how. What do they make of that? Like what’s their explanation for it? Does it occasion any kind of self reflection at all? It would if they were actually journalists and not just propaganda artists who are being controlled by other forces, you know, who will fight Trump and his people every step of the way.

We’re just talking about big pharma. You just had Bobby Kennedy on big pharma, big agriculture. They will be out to do whatever they can to stop him. We’ve also got the CIA, the FBI, et cetera. So they control these newsrooms. These newsrooms kind of take their marching orders from these, these sort of malign influences. I don’t think they’re any. I think so. So that, I mean, here I’m playing pantomime with you. I know what you’re saying is true because I’ve seen it. I don’t think your average person, oh, he won Iowa there he’s Donald Trump wins Iowa.

Well, of course. Well no, I mean he was, I know. What about much watched poll from Iowa points to Harris. Landslide, standard poll. Annie Seltzer, you know, how did that happen? She never gets it wrong. She’s just magnificent. Haha. She was wrong. Fancy that. But Iowa, I mean, I immediately called a friend of mine who’s a political organizer in Iowa and I said, I don’t, you know, I’m not from Iowa to put it mildly. So I don’t know, maybe it’s my friend. What, and this is like an actual political person in Iowa? That’s insane. But that poll was taken seriously.

Yeah, yeah. You know, Robert Kahele from Trafalgar said a really interesting thing the other night, which was that where there used to be the shy Trump voter, now there’s the fearful Trump voter. They’re afraid of government retribution and knock on the door being canceled. So they really are not going to tell pollsters, even as beloved and brilliant as Anne Seltzer the truth. You are so good. I’m so glad you’re still in the media. I think the fact that you grew up and it gives you a different perspective because you, I mean, you once told me that you remember your dad, like at the table talking about it.

Right. I mean, you grew up in it. Yeah. Okay, so ink in the blood. You remember what it used to be. That’s right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Well, you, you have that, that spirit that used to animate all journalists. Well, and you have it too, because your father is. Yeah, no, I grew up in it also. No, I mean, I remember when, you know, journalists were like amazing guys and like you respect. They went to war, they jumped out of planes, they did dangerous things. They didn’t just sit behind a keyboard in New York newsrooms knocking at people.

They were real men and women. There weren’t that many women, but the ones that were, were lowest lane. Pretty rough. Yeah. So what happens to you said the media will spend not a moment reflecting on how they got well, did they do it in? No, they did 26. Right. But what happens to the malign forces that you described in Washington? The intel agencies who you butted up against, who tried to shut your story down? Famously the 51 former intel officials, all of whom retained security clearances. Really? They were still working for the intel agencies. Yeah, but people like that, like, when are they ever held to.

Going to be held to account for what they did? I think it’s a long term project. It’s going to be more than four years. But, you know, with any luck, if this is a resounding landslide or resounding victory for Donald Trump, he’s really set in place. Four years for himself and then another eight years for J.D. vance or whoever is the heir apparent. This is. The MAGA movement has taken over the conservative side of politics and it’s no longer going to be the Bushys and the Cheneys and business as usual where everyone is cosy as the UNI Party and the malign forces get their way.

It’s just incredible. Well, I’m, I’m just grateful that you’ve decided for whatever reason, to stay in journalism. Of course. What else would I Do I tried to convince my kids to go into it. That’s disgusting. But I know convince my kids not to. You know, I, I, I think it’s a hard, hard for young people. Glad they’re not in it. But you do need decent, honest, tough people with self respect in it. And you’re, you’re one of the few. So thank you. Oh, I mean it. Thank you very much, Miranda, Dev much. So Trump really shouldn’t be here.

He should be in prison. And if the plan had unfolded as they wanted it to, he would not be standing for election tonight. He would be behind bars. He’s been charged with all kinds of fake crimes. One of the reasons he’s not behind bars, one of the reasons he is. Well, he’s almost at 200 electoral votes as of 1032 Eastern is Alina Haba, who is one of his lawyers, by far the most famous and I can say very smart. She joins us now. Did you ever think, Wait, don’t you mean unintelligent? Unintelligent, Stupid. Unintelligent. All those things.

Mark Cuban called us. Somebody said, I think it was Elon the other night. Mark Cuban. I know Mark Cuban. I also know Rachel Maddow. Yeah, worked with her. He does look so much like Rachel Maddow now. Like, what is that? It’s the glasses I’m debating. Is it Rachel Maddow? Is he trying to be on the View? I can’t figure out. But he does seem like he’s undergoing some physiological transition. No, honestly, it looks that way. What is that? Perhaps, you know, I could represent him through that. Maybe I could get the taxpayer liberal dollars. I’m here for you, Mark, whatever you need.

This intelligent woman will help you transition on taxpayer dollars under the Kamala Harris regime. I’m here for it. I remember we had dinner at the beginning of this whole drama that you’ve been through. And I, and I was, I remember thinking, boy, you’re signing up for a lot of drama. Yeah, yeah. What I mean, looking back, blessing. It’s been a blessing, really. Yes. I, I feel that way. How I feel this was God’s plan. I, I feel grateful. Honestly, I do. I, I think the more they hit me, the more I know I have a voice and President Trump’s given me a voice.

Nobody should know who President Trump’s lawyer was. And you and I talked about it and I was like, hey, Tucker, I’ll come on your show. You, we don’t do lawyers. I’m like, yeah, but, and then it became that I wasn’t just a lawyer. That’s because of President Trump. So the man that they tell you has torn down women has given me a platform. And I’m a first generation American girl. I was not a straight A student. I didn’t go to Harvard. I think Trump likes women better. I’ve always. You know what? I. You know what? I know.

You know what? Yeah, for sure. Listen, the truth of the matter is I’m here for such a time as this, but I’m so honored, and I feel like no matter what happens, we laid it all on the field. Field. And we fought so hard. He should have been in jail, according to him. Yeah, he should have been dead, according to him. Yeah, no, that’s right. And we crushed it, Tucker. I mean, no matter what, you can’t say we didn’t crush it. You certainly did. Yeah. And it was like a swarm of bees. At one point. There were so many different filings against him, I couldn’t even keep track of it.

Indictments, raids. When I signed up to work with President Trump, I told him in the interview, I had interviewed with him and Eric Trump, who you know well, and the GC of the Trump Organization. And I had said to them, sir, I’m really happy to represent you as an attorney, but I will not get involved in politics. Not happening. A month later, I sued Hillary Clinton. So here we are. He always gets the last. And you think it’s. I mean, you’ve enjoyed it. I honestly feel it’s a blessing. All the hit pieces, all the tormenting. The View, Jimmy Kimmel, Mark Cuban.

Bring it on. Bring it on, baby. Jimmy Kimmel attack you. Oh, wait. Oh, Jimmy Kimmel. Many times. Snl, two weeks in a row. That’s a badge of honor. Jimmy Kimmel was like a pretty. Does anybody watch it? I don’t know. No one? No one watches. Career ended. But yeah, he’s. How is he so controlled? Like, what do they have on here? You know, maybe he was at Diddy’s Island, Epstein’s Island. I’m sure, you know, something’s going, you know, what we don’t need to do, Tucker? This is what I said at the rally. I was, I said, this my.

One of my second to last rallies. I said, said, you will not see people from Diddy’s parties or AB island on this stage. So when I say it’s a blessing because I have something called morality which is lacking. And God is number one to me, not Trump, nothing else. God is number one. So for me, my faith, my family, that’s why I’m here and my children. We can’t live through this kind of culture that they’re creating. This fear of sending my kids to school. I can’t have that. I can’t have that. I got to switch my kids from school because my.

My daughter’s school’s so woke. I can’t take it. Yeah. I can’t have that. You have kids. You shouldn’t take it. I’m not going to take it. Good. And I’m not going to take it. Not only for me, but for your kids, for everybody’s kids. So it’s a blessing. My kids are out of it. Thank heaven. Yeah. I mean, I would not send my children. I would not send my children. Yeah. To private or public school right now if I had to do it. Don’t trust the system. No. Oh, Leah, congratulations. No matter what happens, you. I mean, you have done your part and have been victorious.

And I don’t know if anyone would have bet on you, you know, Nobody was betting. Let’s be honest. You weren’t betting on me. Listen. Oh, I thought I was secretly betting on you. You know what it is? I was. Every stigma that they wanted to say was dumb, stupid. She looks a certain way. She can’t be good. She must be. It’s because of her looks. It’s because of this, it’s because of that. And the words I want to say right now are not very Catholic. Big F you. Big F you tonight. Oh, it’s a nice feeling.

It’s a good feeling. Party, I guess. No matter what, we’re in the party of Fu. Lynn. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me. Great to see you. Good to see you. Oh, it’s like. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know. We’re still in betting markets. We’ve got Eric Trump is standing right there. Brand new numbers. Do my biggest, by the way, tougher client than Donald Trump. True story. Tougher client than Donald Trump. Is that true? It’s true. He is not. Donald Trump is not the tough one. It’s Eric. No, I believe that it’s true. I believe that it’s true.

He’s back at HQ going through the contracts. On that note. Bye. Bye. I want my bills. See you guys. Thank you. So, Eric, thank you very much for doing this. I. I’ve been stuck in the seat for so long. I don’t know exactly what’s going on out there. What is going on? What is going on? This is like the greatest, just for me. Vindication of everything that we’ve dealt with for the last nine years. So right now, we’re looking great in Georgia. We’re great. Looking great. North Carolina, I think they call both the states the next 10, 15 minutes, and then I think our internal numbers show us winning Pennsylvania, and our internal number show us winning Wisconsin.

Right. So you have that before you get out to Arizona and Nevada, which I think we’re gonna win both of those. So. So if that, if that comes true. So if you get Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, it’s. It is great. If you get. If you get Georgia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, it’s over. If you get Wisconsin, slicing on the cake. If you get Nevada and Arizona, it’s like, you know, even better. And so, Tucker, they put us through hell. I mean, so. So this actually could end tonight? Oh, absolutely. And it could end sooner, you know, sooner than we otherwise think.

And, you know, oftentimes, and we. We see a lot of the raw data coming in behind the scenes, and oftentimes the news networks will actually kind of, you know, hold it back for a while because they want to. Oh, wow. I’m sorry to interrupt. Just. Just to give our audience some perspective, in case you’ volumes. 84% counted in North Carolina. They’re saying it’s too early to call, but Trump is at 51. I mean, it’s not. I mean, just for context, the New York Times has some at 83% chance of winning as of a second ago, and it’s going up every few minutes.

And, Tucker, the reason I say that, I’m not a boastful guy. Dude, It’s. It’s only 1040. This is great. They’ve put us through freaking hell over the last nine years. They’ve done everything to our family that you could possibly do to have them go after him, to have them try and impeach him, to have them make up the slurs and the dossiers. And Pete, you know, literally send me 111 subpoenas on most opinion person in history, only to come back against all odds. They shot at him. You know, to win decisively, early in the night, it would be the greatest.

You know, I don’t want to use the word revenge. I think it’s a little bit too harsh, but maybe it’s not. Honestly, they’ve tried to destroy his life. They’ve tried to separate our family. They’ve tried to destroy our company. They’ve done everything that they could to take down Donald Trump. To win early in the night decisively, it would be the greatest kind of retribution that you could possibly to go after, you know, you and your brother in the way that they did. I mean, I, you know, I talked to, I had a long talk with your dad about that the other night, weirdly.

And you know, he’s pretty emotionally controlled, but he, I got to know, I don’t think I’m saying anything out of school. He seemed like just thinking about it upset him in a real way. That was my read on it. What Adam Schiff did to Don. Exactly. You colluded with Russia. We’re going to throw you in jail for the rest of your life. It’s treason. Don had nothing to do with Russia. I was the guy that got the calls from the Washington Post, New York Times saying, eric, I hear you have secret servers that are connected to the Kremlin in the basement of Trump Tower.

Now, now, Tucker, I want to bring you through the basics, right? You don’t put servers in basements because basements flood. Let’s just like go, you know, 101 second of all, we’re like largely like a cloud based, you know, the FBI knew this day one that, that there were no servers in the basement and that the whole thing was a made up sham and they let it go on for, for a three year period of time. So think because some greedy woman wanted to get an extra three votes, they literally pitted the two biggest nuclear superpowers against each other.

Almost destroyed all communication, all relationship that you could have, right? In this kind of phantom made up story, they pitted the largest superpowers against each other so Hillary Clinton could get what, you know, 20 more votes if people actually believed it. And we’re on the brink of nuclear war with Russia right now because of this. It’s truly sick. I mean, you know how many situations there have been over history where, you know, somebody shot up a, you know, a weather satellite and they thought there was a missile coming over the pole and they had to use that phone.

Right? I mean, this is pretty well documented in history that these kinds of things have happened. And guess what? They were always making, you know, they were always had the ability to make a phone call. I mean, think all of a sudden it’s Russia collusion and you pit, you know, Vladimir Putin and Trump against one another. And that call can’t be made in the middle of the night when something as innocent as a satellite goes up in space or something along those lines. And I mean, think of what that could lead to, all because of absolutely greed.

And it’s not just, you know, it’s not just the Russia hoax. It’s the two impeachments. It’s going after Kavanaugh, it’s ripping him off of Facebook, it’s ripping him off of Instagram and Twitter. Right. It’s 110 subpoenas to me. It’s raiding Barron’s room, raiding Melania’s room. Right. Taking him off the ballot in Colorado, taking him off the ballot in Maine, you know, trying to kill him. And despite that, here we are, you know, here we are on November 5th. You know, it’s what, 10, 4? And it looks like in the next 20 minutes, you know, two more states that are just critical states could fall.

You know, Pennsylvania looks great. All the internal data. I think we’re going to win Pennsylvania and in a big way. I think we’re going to win Wisconsin, I think we’re going to win Nevada, and I think we’re going to win Arizona. It’s freaking me out. Just when you put it that way. I have to say, you know, Trump always gets attacked for being like, vindictive and all this stuff. It’s like, I’ve spent a lot of time talking to him. I’ve never heard him describe what you just described in the way that he did. He’s actually weirdly not vindictive at all.

Yeah. Don’t you think? Yeah. Because when you lay it out like that, it’s really. I think it bothers a child more than it bothers. Of course. Right. I take the insults hurled at him much more personally than I take. No, I get it. Right? You see, you see the, the absolute massacre that they put him through as a billionaire who did not need this job. Right. He’s the last guy that needed this job. Believe me, his life would be exponentially better sitting here mar a lag, go enjoying life. Right. And he wants to do this because he wants to save this country.

And, you know, he’s. He’s hell bent on saving this country. There are no vacations. I mean, the two of us haven’t slept in 48 hours because we were in what, you know, seven different rallies in the last, you know, 36 hours leading up to this. I mean, we got in at 5:30 this morning, he went straight off to vote when he, you know, when he effectively got in early this morning. And, you know, the guy’s worked his ass off. The guy worked his ass off, gets nothing other than subpoenas and weaponization of government and sitting in courthouses all day long.

Long. And so it’s actually really vindication of the American people. It’s not. It’s not vindication of Donald Trump. It’s vindication of the American people, which is, hey, listen, government, you know, we understand your games, and you’ve tried every single one of them, and we haven’t believed you. And at the end of it, we’re gonna go vote for the guy that you’ve tried to take down mercilessly because we don’t like you. You know, you considered us the flyover states. You forgot about us. No, we weren’t human to you, right? We were this kind of subhuman class to most of the elites in Washington, D.C.

hey, you forgot about us. And you know what? Now. Now we’re going to go and we’re going to support the guy that you tried to take down, but the guy that was fighting for us every single day. And as a son, it’s the greatest feeling in the world. If he wins this overwhelmingly, if he gets 315, 316 electoral votes, there’s a possibility that he wins, literally the popular vote or comes as close as anybody could possibly come to winning the popular vote. It would be the greatest vindication that everything that he’s fought for, for mattered, you know, that it mattered to the American people, that it mattered to this country, that mattered to the heart and soul of this nation.

And there was nothing that would make me more proud. It’s like. It’s just the most unbelievable story. I just think I’ve been too close to it for too long. I can’t really, honestly, until you started talking and laid it out that way. I’ve never thought about it in this way. But when he lost in 2020, and I kind of. I thought there was something wrong with. Now totally convinced it was stolen. I always get taken off YouTube for saying that, but I believe that. But nobody backed him. Everyone’s like, oh, shut up. Go away. People mocked him.

His own party wanted him out of there. They were embarrassed of him. They hated that he wouldn’t stop. They hated that he. Oh, shut up. They wouldn’t let him on Fox News. Like, he was not allowed to talk. And you know what? For every one of the things that I named right the again, you know, the impeachments and the Kavanaughs and the Twitters and Facebooks and the censorship and everything. For every one of those things that I just named, there’s a hundred that the public never saw. Oh, I know. That Never, you know, never made it across your channels.

Never. I mean, that were just personal attacks that were so vindictive. You can’t possibly imagine, right? And yet he stood up every single day and he fought the nonsense. And it’s. It’s crazy, though. I mean, everybody abandoned him. He was literally like him and Rudy. Yeah. Like it was. And against every weaponized system. And that’s one thing that people forget. It’s not just the attacks. They weaponized the doj. They weaponized the FBI. They weaponized the mainstream media. You know, better than anybody. You were. You were like the face of it, right? For the longest time, they weaponized social media.

When they started pulling him off those platforms, they weaponized Department of Health, right? I mean, remember the doctors came out. Hey, droxy chloroquine might work, right? They start ripping lys. And they weaponized everything. Weaponized the military with, you know, Millie coming out. I want to understand white race. I mean, they weaponized every single government institution that we had as a country. And then they weaponized mainstream media. And you had one guy, you know, maybe one guy with a little bit of us standing on the stage, right? With a loud voice, but you had one guy that literally defeated it all.

And he did that because he had the American people behind him. But really think about, think about the David Goliath story of all of that, that if he wins tonight, which he’s on the brink of doing, it was one guy that beat the American media and all the other weaponized systems that tried to take him down. I mean, it’s fascinating, right? As a guy who came in, he didn’t know what a delegate was. When we got into politics, I mean, literally, we didn’t know what the hell a caucus was. I remember getting to Iowa and asking some little staffer, you know, I’m about to speak at a big caucus.

Okay, can somebody explain to me what the hell a caucus? And by the way, you didn’t know either until you got. Come on. I still don’t know. I’ve covered a million caucuses. And so a guy who literally knew not a damn thing about the system beat Hillary, one of the greatest political dynasties ever beat her when she outraged him 5 to 1. I mean, she raised 1.5 billion. I mean, he put in 200 million bucks and raised another 100. I mean, against all odds, and then beat the mainstream media in this country, beat that whole weaponized system.

He was down. He was out. There were serious questions about what happened in 2020. And I’m not a conspiracy guy. I’m not like the tinfoil. It just a fact, right? Statistically, you could prove it. He’s at 210 right now. And then he comes back after all of that and he wins. And he wins by a massive electoral number. It will be one of the greatest comeback stories of all time, right? The greatest I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen anything like it, like, ever, ever. And one last thing, not to get too deep with you, but no, I, I’m, I’m loving this.

And I, I’ve never heard you. I mean, I’ve talked to you a million times. I’ve never heard you like this. This. He wrote two books, right? One was the Art of the Deal. And the Art of the Deal, if you look at it like just kind of the parallels to the 2016 campaign is really incredible. But then he wrote the Art of the Comeback years later, right? He had the financial problems in the early 90s. Interest rates went up to 18%. He was heavily levered, and he fought his ass off to come back from the brink of.

And he came back bigger and stronger than he. Right? And so he wrote a second book, the Art of the Comeback. And I’ve always said that those books mirror his life in politics. And no one ever, for some reason, puts it together. If he does what I think he’s going to do within the next hour, two hours, if CNN decides to drag it out, it’s going to be the greatest comeback in American history. It might be the greatest comeback in political history. Down and out with everyone against you sitting in a freezing cold courtroom with 34 indictments and everything else they tried to do to bury him and bankrupt him and destroy his family and.

And, you know, split all of us up. And now all of a sudden you’re here on the one yard line. Tucker, it’s awesome. I mean, it’s. It’s truly a fairy tale story. And it’s a story. In fact, I think that if you wrote it down in a novel, people wouldn’t believe you, man. It’s not the life you expected. I bet it’s very different life than we expected. Well, that was, that was, that was amazing. I will not forget this conversation. He did say one last thing coming down that escalator later that first day, right? The elevator, he goes, you’re going to remember who your friends are, your real friends are, and they’re going to hit us in ways that you can never possibly imagine.

They’re going to be ruthless. They’re going to be ruthless. And he said that that day. He said that going down the elevator, before we got on the escalator, before he announced, obviously in 2016, did you believe him? Yes, because he’s got good intuition. But never to the extent. I mean, were you for it? Oh, I was totally for it in 16. You were for it? I was totally for it. Why? But, but Tucker, just remember one thing about 16. Like, you had a pretty good deal going is 16. We thought that the deep state was like Nancy Pelosi being in government for 40 years.

Right. Like, literally, like, you know, Joe Biden’s been in, in, in government, you know, 15 years longer, and I’ve been alive and I’ve got gray in my beard. Right. So that was, remember, like drain the swamp. Yeah. Remember this chance? Yeah, yeah. That was like, okay, get rid of Maxine Waters, who’s been there for 40 years. It wasn’t like, okay, you’re going to have the CIA come after you. You’re going to have the DOJ come after you. You’re going to have every AG and DA weaponized against you. You’re going to have madeup hoaxes. I don’t think we could have ever comprehended truly, truly how rough it was going to be.

And I think his words really rang true. They’re going to come after us in ways that you can’t possibly imagine. And when, if he wins in the next. I’m going to come find you because I just want to shake your hand, Eric Trump. That was wonderful. Thank you. That was fun. I appreciate it. Thank you. So I think it’s pretty clear that a pivotal figure. I’m not sucking up. I’ve never taken any money from the man. Just want to be clear about that. But a pivotal figure, not just in this election, but in, in the history of this country, is Elon Musk.

And who was just walked in with his son, who’s so cute it’s ridiculous, that kid. Oh, hey, what are you doing? You want to just throw any or something? Okay. I guess so. All right, we’ll get mini me here. It certainly is me. You complete me. What’s your name? What’s your name? Actually, I’m gonna show you. We’re on tv. This is wild. Should we help President Trump? Yeah. Well, you have. You have truth from the mouth of babes. It looks like. I mean, it looks. I started this. The quiet leap X. But you’re getting. You have the general vibe.

Yeah. And quietly just do whatever we want. I like your laugh. That’s a laugh of an honest man. Yeah. I think this. What. What’s your assessment? Is this. Did this work? Is he going to win? Yeah. Yeah, it is. Not for now. I think it’s done. You think it’s done? Yeah, yeah. But not for. No, not for long. So where are we? 89. I mean, okay, so it’s 1052. It’s a little earlier than Obama told us. We’re gonna have to wait a month or something. Yeah, yeah. The only one is the one with this stiper. L.

I mean, I’m looking at the data as it comes in from every county in Pennsylvania and. Oh, he can tell us. It’s all right. It seems extremely likely that if not a certain. So. So then we’re done. I mean, are you surprised? Because I’m, I’m shocked by how quickly this happened. I’m not particularly surprised because the. No. Okay. We might have to. Sammy. Timo. Oh, she’s so nice. You don’t need to worry. She’s really nice. So let’s see. So I think more relevant than the polls is looking at the early voting data. And if you look at the early voting data in Pennsylvania, for example, and you compare the Republican minus Democrat vote across all of the swing states, but certainly in Pennsylvania, the delta was as of this morning, I believe, 600 2000.

So meaning like the. Relative to 2020. So if you say like, okay, how is President Trump doing relative to 2020? The difference in early voting was over 600,000. The margin of victory. Biden’s margin of victory in 2020 was only 80,000, which if so a reasonable extrapolation, assuming that, let’s assume that the in person voting is no better than 2020, then you would expect a margin of victory for President Trump of approximately half a million. Right. So, yeah, I don’t think you necessarily need to be like some incredible prognosticator if you just look at the data. But they were telling us, you know, on cnn, you know, they’ll.

But, but, but, but why particularly? What was the point of lying about it? Which I don’t know if they, like, maybe they just don’t understand. I mean, I’ve been posting on X about this. I literally post the charts and I post the data. You know, I’m just looking at how could Trump win? I mean, they, after they indicted him, he’s a rapist, he’s a criminal. I mean, they’ve been attacking Trump like every day for nine years, and he wins bigger this time than in 2016 against a candidate who’s outspending him 3 to 1 all in. How could that happen? No, it’s remarkable.

In fact, it’s not just that. The, that the Sort of Kamala machine, puppet machine campaign. Yeah. Is outspending. It’s not. The Dems are massively outspending Republicans in the swing states, including any contribution that I make. But you also have the sort of legacy mainstream media which is overwhelmingly in favor of common. They might as well be an extension of the dnc. Well, they are, yeah. You know, the DNC just sends them whatever the talking points are and they all just talk like NPCs essentially all day long instantly. And then you’ve also got, I mean, God knows how many celebrity endorsements.

I mean it’s like sort of running out of like is anyway call 80%, 90% of celebrity endorsements on the Dem side. So basically you have what appears to be a deck that is very much stacked in favor of the Dem. Like you said, like how can a Republican win at all? Yeah. Now, I mean, one of the things that we did do to kind of even the odds was we massively improved the Republican ground game. My America pack massively improved the Republican ground game in the swing states. So the Democrats only have the best ground game, you know, just in terms of knocking on doors, talking to people.

Sounds simple. Just having a good sort of word of mouth virality campaign, having good messaging that appeals to people’s specific interests and then making sure people get to the pulse. Just make sure that people have transport. The Democrats are normally extremely good with just making it convenient because for a lot of people, if they’ll vote, it’s just, just maybe they don’t have a ride. So we just made sure everyone had a ride. We made sure that we paid particular attention to the Amish community in Pennsylvania. It’s amazing. Had anyone ever gotten the Amish out to vote before? Not in significant numbers, but the Democrats did make a mistake because there was government overreach.

And with some of the Amish farmers. Yes. And you know, they’re just, there’s no such thing as like organic farming or not organic. They just, they’re farmers. They like, they’ve been farming the same way for a long time, you know, and there was some, you know, just government overreach that shut down some Amish farmers, which really, you know, made them pretty upset. And you just need to be able to channel that, you know, the fact that they’re upset and like. Well, there’s a thing you can do about it which is called voting. And, and we’re happy to, you know, transport you to.

They’re allowed to ride in vans if so long as they’re not driving the van so, you know, we’re just making sure we bring them to the balls and they vote how, how they want to vote, which is going to be like 99.9%, actually. Call it 100. Call it 100. He said, yeah, these are raw producers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you endorsed Trump within minutes of him being shot. I mean, how many. I mean, was literally minutes, I think, as I remember. Yeah. And then you just went more all in than I’ve ever seen anybody ever go.

Yeah. What, what was the. Did you ever doubt or did you just decide to go on and you just did it? I mean, my philosophy is you, you play. You play to win. You don’t play by half measure. So, yeah, I mean, I was with the team every day, seven days a week, just working the early votes in Pennsylvania and other swing states. First registrations first. Like if people don’t register, they can’t vote. So the initial focus was just maximizing registrations, and then once the registration deadline was over, just getting the early votes, you know. Yeah.

X, from my perspective, played a pivotal role not just in this election, but in keeping the country alive. Yeah. Well, X is, I think, the one place where you can find out the truth. Yes. And the only place. Yeah. So how much pressure, to the extent you can say, has there been unused to shut it down or to censor it? Well, I mean, apart from the multiple Democrats saying that I should go, they want to put me in jail, take away all government contracts from my companies, nationalize my companies, deport me as an illegal and have me arrested because I’m apparently Putin’s best friend.

Nothing besides those things. So you saw Mitchell Maddow sort of casually, who’s the single most popular media figure on the left. Yeah. For the right, say, just sort of casually. Well, Elon Musk will obviously need to be separated from his companies. You know, he can’t be a government. He can’t hold government contracts going forward. Like, how do you respond to that? Rachel Maddow is a crazy person. You know, she’s just a frothing at the mouth, crazy fascist, basically dressed as sort of pretending to be a liberal. But she’s just really like a. I can’t imagine the.

Imagine if she was in charge actually in a position of political power. What a nightmare that would be. Well, many would die. Yes. So do you expect the pressure will lessen now that Trump. I mean, we’ll see. I mean, certainly last time President Trump was elected, I mean, I think they tried to impeach him within, like 20 minutes of him taking office. Yes. This time I don’t know. We’ll see. They may, I don’t think they’ll be quite as intense as last time because I think, I think we actually have a decent chance here of a significant victory, not a small victory.

Yes. And at the point at which you clearly just have the public mandate, then you have the public mandate. I mean, I think numbers I’ve seen were close to winning the popular vote in addition to the electoral vote, even though there’s basically been zero campaigning in California, which is the biggest state in the country. So sometimes people say, oh, the Republican didn’t win the popular vote. I’m like, that’s because it wasn’t trying. If you actually try to win the popular vote, I think you. Yeah, yeah, it doesn’t take, doesn’t take that much. I think it made a big difference that President Trump and soon to be Vice President Vance went on lengthy podcasts.

Yes. I think this makes, like, this is, this really makes a difference because, you know, people look at like, like Joe Rogan’s podcast, which is, which is great, and Lex Friedman’s and the all in podcast and you know, to, to a reasonable minded, smart person who’s not like hardcore one way or the other, they just listen to someone talk for a few hours and they, they, that’s how they decide whether you’re, you know, a good person, whether they like you and, and, you know, especially like, like Rogan’s podcast. Three hours long. I mean, you know, you could, this is why, like, I actually posted on X, like, nothing would do more damage to Kamala’s campaign than going on Joe Rogan because she’d run out of non sequiturs after about 45 minutes.

You can’t hide in three hours. Yeah, like hour two and three would be a complete melted puddle of nonsense. So it would just be absolute game over. That’s why I shouldn’t go on. So, I mean, how does, but on the hand, Trump, he’s there and there’s no talking points, just, just being a normal person, just having a conversation on, you know, and doing three hours of Rogan, no problem. What do you think of him? You spent a lot of time with him in the last several months. I think he’s, I think he’s a very interesting, funny, funny person and, you know, much maligned by the media, obviously, and he’s withstood a lot, you know, and I think he’s, he’s, you know, you mentioned that I, as you mentioned, I endorse him immediately.

After he was shot. Because I, you know, when you see somebody under fire, what, what is their reaction to the. Because, you know, immediately, is someone brave or are they cowards? Yes. Okay. The bullets, they get hit by bullets. Bloods, you know, come down face. They could, there could have been a second shooter. And yet, you know, he’s going, fight, fight, fight. You know, that’s true. True courage. Yes. Can’t fake it. Impossible. And America is the home of the free and land of the brave. So that’s who we want as president. It was. So we want a brave, a strong, brave person as president.

And he is that. How are you going to be involved? Well, I, you know, I’ve said I’d be happy to help improve the, you know, government efficiency, obviously. Department of Government Efficiency, which, you know, I think is sorely needed. We’ve got a gigantic government bureaucracy. We’ve got over regulation. You’ve got agencies that have overlapping responsibilities. There’s something like 450 government, federal government agencies, almost two per year. That company since America was founded. So, I mean, we’re just creating new agencies all the time. And it’s getting to the point where basically everything’s illegal. You just can’t get anything done.

I’ve noticed. And this translates to. These become real costs to people. They’re hidden costs, but they’re very substantial. It’s very hard to build new housing if you’re burdened with massive requirements that don’t make any sense. It drives up the housing cost, it slows down, new housing starts. So we need to let the builders of America build. Amen. Yeah. So you’re not going to the Gulag, it turns out. Well, not immediately. I mean, maybe in five years. I don’t know. They might be probably pretty grumpy about this one. But I think I got at least several years before I go to the Gulag.

Well, congratulations. I’ve never seen anything like this in my life. Exciting times. Amazing. And here’s to a fantastic future. Elon Musk. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you. See you, man. Can’t top that. We’re gonna go see Trump and join the celebration. Thank.
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