Explain that a little, too. I was trying to figure this out at one point, because I was trying to meet with insurance executives and say, look, I can show you that these particular medical interventions, certain of the vaccines, were actually causing higher costs in the long run, and that the insurance companies were incentivizing people to take them. Well, I went to them with data, and an insurance executive said to me, listen, because I thought, naively, that insurance companies would make more money if their clients were healthier. They’d have to pay less costs, and I thought, this is the one industry that could save us from pharma, because pharma, of course, obviously wants us all sick.

The regulatory agencies want us all sick, because they get more powerful. But you’d think the insurance industry would be counterbalanced that, because they have to pay more money when people get sick. And this insurance executive said to me, he said, listen, we get richer the sicker people are. And I said, how is that possible? And he said, well, if you’re Lloyd’s of London, and you insure against shipwrecks, is it better for you if there’s one shipwreck a year, or is it better for you if there’s 500 shipwrecks a year? And I said, why? And he said, no, it’s 500.

Because they’re making money on the premiums and on the friction. And the more catastrophes there are, the more are paid in premiums into that system. And that’s where they make their money. So it’s actually better for the insurance industry that all of our kids are sick. And that’s one of the contributors. Hey, gang, it’s me, Dr. Steve. Reality facing millions of Americans today is alarming and unacceptable. So on the one hand, insurance premiums have increased unabated, making it nearly impossible for hardworking families to secure affordable health coverage. But on the other, and Robert Kennedy has been arguing this, these huge insurance companies unashamedly make more money from actually keeping people sick.

It really is the classic tale of corporations prioritizing profit over people. These companies have orchestrated a system that drives up costs for everyone, effectively robbing us of our dignity and leaving us to fend for ourselves. And then to add insult to injury, were it not bad enough, these insurance companies use those profits to lobby politicians, disgracefully pushing through laws that serve their own interests while neglecting the wellbeing of the citizens they’re supposed to be serving. But there is a very real, innovative, and powerful solution to this. Joining me today is my good friend and certainly a very good friend to this channel, Chris Widener.

Chris is the official spokesman for ShareRight Health Sharing. ShareRight has owned and operated by Patriots who are dedicated to caring about you, your savings, and your health. Chris, welcome back. Great to see you again, my friend. Dr. Steve, I wish I saw you in person more often, but this will have to do for now, one of my favorite people. Oh, right back at you, Chris. And I’m really excited about what you’re doing here with ShareRight. We’ll talk about that in a moment, but I was hoping if you could just give us a little bit of a, you know, give us a sense of what’s really happening with these insurance companies today.

You’re on the front line to this. Why, let’s start with the costs. Why are so many Americans struggling to pay their premiums? Because they’re expensive. I mean, if you think about it this way, the difference between insurance and health sharing is for-profit, non-profit. Health sharing is always based in a 501c3. So there you go. I did a research project when I was first getting involved with ShareRight where I looked at the top insurance companies and I looked for the top five biggest insurance companies. Then I went and I cross referenced how much money just their CEOs make.

The average CEO of those top five is $20 million a year. The lowest was like 18 and a half. The highest was like 23.5. So think about that. Before anybody gets any sort of coverage or anything like that, the five human beings take $100 million for themselves. Dang. And you got to pay for that somehow. So they pass it along to their folks. The other thing is, is they’re giving money away to Planned Parenthood. They’re giving money away to Black Lives Matter. They’re giving money away to all sorts of things that us conservatives, number one, we don’t want to pay for.

And number two, it’s against our values. So the other thing is, you know, I was on a health sharing before I got involved with ShareRight. I went in to get an MRI and I walk in and they say, go talk to the lady. We got to figure out how you’re going to pay for it. And I said, well, I’m using health sharing. And she goes, well, that’s fantastic. Because if you had insurance, it would be $5,000. But since you’re paying yourself health sharing, it’s only $2,500. And I thought, oh, if somebody else is paying it, you charge double.

Of course, that I’m telling you, folks, there’s so many reasons to get involved in health sharing. The money just first and foremost, how much money you can save. I’m sure we’ll talk about that in a few minutes. But number two, you’re not giving your money to woke corporations. And, you know, you’ve been at the forefront along with Dinesh D’Souza and some other great leaders in the conservative movement talking about parallel economies. Health sharing is the ultimate parallel economy because of how much money you can pull out of the system and put right back into your own pocket.

And it’s so good. I actually wrote a book about health sharing a few years back. I was part of a health sharing organization for 20 years. And I love it. Absolutely love it. And absolutely, it’s the wave of the future because of the way it lowers costs across the board, particularly for premiums, and therefore makes healthcare more accessible to more and more people. It’s best of both worlds. I wanted to ask you something about what Robert Kennedy has been saying. Well, I mean, obviously, one of the most exciting things to happen with the Trump campaign is the Trump-Kennedy realignment and the rise of maha, you know, make America healthy again.

But Bobby has been arguing about, he has noted that insurance companies are actually sort of, in effect, incentivized to keep us sick. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I mean, it’s mass. It’s supply and demand. If you spend $5,000 and now you’re healthy, they don’t get any follow-ups. But if you spend $5,000 and you’re still not healthy, then they get another $250,000, then they get another $1,000, then they get another $5,000, then they get another… It perpetuates. They want you coming back because every time you come back, it’s more money. It’s really basically pretty simple.

It is. And I’m just curious, how did we get here? How was this allowed to happen, I guess, is my question. How did we end up with such a rotten system? It’s corruption. I mean, whether you’re talking about war, why do we go to war? We go to war because all the big companies… Yeah, they buy themselves senators. I remember when my son was younger and he would say, how did they get away with that? I said, son, it’s simple, buy yourself a senator. I mean, it’s really unfortunate, but that’s what happens.

So these guys, they slap $10,000 down on every senator’s desk. And then they say, oh, and by the way, we would love this to happen. And the senators go, okay. And then they do it. You know, and it’s corruption in almost every industry. War, finance, everything. All the regulatory industries, they’ve completely overlapped now with the industries. The regulatory oversights are overlapping with the industries. They’re supposed to be regulating the revolving door there. And I love the $10,000. I’m James O’Keefe, formerly of Project Veritas. I think that was one of the sting operations is one of the guys in the know, I think it was at BlackRock, I can’t remember, basically said you could buy a senator for 10 grand.

I mean, yeah. Remember when Trump was running against Hillary and they said, you gave Hillary $10,000? He said, of course I did. And he said, I wanted her to answer the phone when I call. I bought a $10,000 to get her to answer the phone. And then the brilliant follow up is, but they can’t buy me. I loved it. Oh, yeah. No, it’s just, oh, he completely took him off guard. All right. So we could clearly see what the problem is, but we don’t want to wallow. We don’t whine here. This is a new wine channel.

We’re all about, well, WHI anyway, we like the WHI anyway, but we’re all about taking action. So what hope is there? Because as things stand, it does look like premiums are going to continue to just keep going up and up, don’t they? Yeah. Well, you know, the answer is health sharing and it is a part of the affordable care act. It’s completely legal. It has been vetted. It’s allowed in the, the insurance companies don’t necessarily want it to happen, which is one of the reasons why they capped it. You can actually get health sharing for your company as long as you have 49 employees or less.

They didn’t want you to be able to do 5,000 employees because then you would take away a lot of insurance and get companies to move over. By the way, there’s that lobbying we were talking about. Exactly. Exactly. Well, we know we have to kind of let them do it, but let’s put a cap on it so they don’t take all our business. You know, the average family of four pays $2,000 a month for health insurance. The average family of four with a share right is $650 a month. Say that one more time, Chris, say that with that is huge.

The average family of four, $2,000 a month with insurance, with share right, the average family of four is $650. But I’ve seen one guy, 40 years old, him and his wife with two kids under the age of 18, they’re paying in Connecticut $2,800 a month. He did a cost analysis with share right, $805 a month. She’s saving $1,995 a month over what he was paying. Now here’s the interesting thing. It’s $1,995 a month. Let’s call it $2,000. That’s $24,000 a year that is not going to a woke corporation, but it’s staying in his pocket, but it’s really not staying in his pocket.

He’s spending it at the tire center, at the restaurant, at his children’s dance lessons. So we’re taking money away from woke corporations and we’re supporting our local communities and growing the economy. It is the ultimate parallel economy. It is an answer. It is. It is. And it’s very innovative. Again, that’s the idea. You’re bringing costs down and then you’re making healthcare more accessible as a result. So explain that. Now, a lot of people may not know how health sharing works. It’s not insurance. It’s different. And that’s the key. People have to, I had to get around that.

And so, oh wait, I don’t have insurance. Well, you have an alternative. Again, you have a parallel to insurance here. So can you explain what health sharing is? Yeah. Imagine somebody used this analogy. Imagine you went to a church, 30 years ago and you were sick and you didn’t have health insurance and you had a $10,000 bill and the pastor might stand up and say, brother Joe and sister Susie, they’ve got a $10,000 bill. We’d like to help them wipe that out. We’re going to take an offering. Everybody throws some money in the pot and they pay their bill off.

It’s sort of, it’s organized. It’s organized around that idea of sharing, right? At a national level. Yeah, we agree to share with one another. And so traditionally health sharing has been like, as I mentioned, prior to share, right? I was with one. I had the MRI. I had to pay the bill, the $2,500. Then I had to get the itemized thing. I had to upload it and it took me 70 days to get my money back. What share right has done is they’ve tried to make it functionally like insurance in that you get a card.

Now when you go in, you hand them the card, they have an ID number that is registered with the government so that it allows them to pay out. It’s called a payee number, I think. So you swipe your card, the bill goes to share right. They do all the negotiations. They get it down to the lowest price and then they divvy it up, you know, if you still have to pay some or if they pay the whole thing or, or whatever. And the beauty of it is share rights, average turnaround, 13 days to the average turnaround in health sharing has historically been about 60 days.

So they try to make it feel a lot more because one of the things is, well, I’m going from health insurance and like you said, you got to get your brain around it. They wanted it to feel like the process of health insurance, but it’s really health sharing. Yes. Yeah. Oh, that’s brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Yeah. I, I did it, like I said, for about 20 years, never had an issue. It was wonderful. We, we, we loved it. It’s the only reason why I’m not on now is just because I’m in a different company now that just doesn’t know that this doesn’t have it.

So I, I’m a huge proponent of this because again, I just think it is, it’s independence, it’s parallel economy. It’s, you know, I’m in a, you know, Chris, I’m in the Pennsylvania area. It’s something the Amish have been doing for like decades. Yeah. And now, and they’re, they’re like the definition of a parallel. Well, they don’t even just do it with healthcare. You need a barn. The whole, the whole town comes with the barn. That’s just where it starts from. But that’s a great model for us nationally speaking. Well, now we got Elon, you know, going up and rescuing NASA astronauts.

So we’ve got our parallel economy with parallel satellites, parallel internet, everything, parallel cash with Bitcoin, you name it. So I think this fits right. Like you said, it’s right at the heart of it, right at the center because the old, you know, the old, the old saying, if you got your health, you got everything. So this is huge. So share right. Um, it’s relatively new. I mean, what’s the, uh, what sort of the, uh, health sharing’s been around for a long time. Share right is part of a bigger company that we partnered with in order to create one just for conservatives.

So we came up with the name share, right? So it’s a subsidiary of a company that’s already been in business. They’ve paid out millions of dollars. Uh, they’ve got tens of thousands of subscribers already. So it’s not like you’re just firing up a new, a new deal here. They’ve been around for a while. They’re completely registered with the government. They’re, they’re doing business in 47 states. Uh, yeah, they’re, they’re, they’re totally up and running. They’ve got, you’re, you’re supposed to have three months worth of reserves. Uh, according to the affordable care act, uh, share right has 11 months of reserves, um, which means they could never take in another nickel and they could still pay everything off for 11 months.

Um, so they’re very deep pocketed. They, they operate like conservatives, right? They save their money and they protect their money. They manage well, right? Uh, and that’s another thing. Insurance companies, like you mentioned, they do support liberal causes, abortions and so forth. Share right. No, right. Not, no, no, no. Which is another reason it’s cheaper, right? If I don’t have to pay for all these things that I don’t believe in, you’re never going to pay for a transgender, you know, uh, surgery. Right. You start deducting 40,000, 10,000, 5,000 out of the system that we don’t have to pay for prices come down.

And since it’s a nonprofit, it’s not like they’re looking for an edge to find more ways to make money. Uh, they’re trying to pass the savings along to everybody. Yes. Yes. I love it. Gang. This is so cool. I am so excited about this. Uh, so thankful to Chris and to share right again, if you don’t know, you can go onto Amazon. You can see, I wrote a book about healthcare cost sharing, uh, organizations, uh, a few years back and in terms of how it’s the wave of the future, it’s all about building up the parallel economy where Patriots serve Patriots.

That is exactly what share right is all about. So if you want to learn more about this, this is amazing stuff. Click on the link description below or scan the QR code on the screen and find out immediately how much you can actually save just by using share right today. Again, like I said, it’s the wave of the future. You’re going to love it. And you know what, Steve, it only takes 30 seconds. I guarantee you if your fingers are fast enough, 15 seconds, go there to that website, you put in the age of the oldest.

If you’re a couple, you put in the age of the oldest person. So if you’re 40 and your wife’s 41, you put her birthday in. If you’re older, you put your birthday in. And then how many people that you want to have part of your program and press the button, it will tell you exactly what you’re going to pay less than 30 seconds. And so a lot of people are struggling financially right now. And they’re saying, how do I save more money? How do I make more money? Folks, I’m telling you, if you’re a single guy or gal, if you’re just a couple, if you’ve got kids, take 30 seconds, because you’ll be amazed at how much money you’ll put in your pocket.

It’s unbelievable. And again, I could not recommend organizations more than health sharing and then share right is right on the top of that. So again, click on the link in the description below, scan the QR code on the screen. I’m a major proponent of this huge believer in this. I think you’re going to be very excited. If you’ve never heard about health sharing before, this is going to blow your brain. You’re going to love it. Chris, you’re the best man. Great seeing you again. I’m the second best on this show today, I believe.

I’m second fiddle to Dr. Steve, but you know what? I would love to be second fiddle to Dr. Steve any day of the week. We’re all right back at you. Good to see you, Chris. Good to see you. [tr:trw].

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