You took out, was it the five biggest families? Is it the five biggest families in New York? Well, there were five in New York and they were all about the five biggest in America. And they had been there since, really organized that way since about 1930, 1931. So when you took on this task to clean this up, I mean, you obviously had a lot of help, right? Did the federal government, this is not just something you became mayor and said, I’m going to clean up New York and risk my life. I had an army.

I had a relative army. I planned it over the summer of 1983 while I was switching jobs from associate attorney general to the US attorney. I outlined what I needed. I went to the attorney general and the director of the FBI, and I asked him for additional FBI agents, in particular, those who were good at electronic surveillance, because I knew that we were going to build our case on electronic surveillance. And we were successful in invading the headquarters of just about every single one of them, some of their subordinates. So by the time we went to trial a couple of years later, we had them on tape.

This is something you spearheaded. They didn’t come to you like the federal government to use that. Hey, we want these people out here. You spearheaded this and you took it upon yourself and you created the team. You organized all the efforts and you cleaned up New York. You coordinated all this. There were, I was the associate attorney general, the third ranking official in the justice department. So I had an overview of what everybody was doing, but they were all separate. I brought them, I created a plan, outlined it on a big chart. In September of 1983, I went to see the attorney general and I briefed him on what I could do if we brought all these groups together and they gave me these, in particular, agents who had expertise in breaking in and doing legal surveillance.

And then I went ahead and executed the plan and we convicted all of them and put them in jail for a hundred years. Plus we convicted about 200 others that were involved and we helped convict a thousand in Italy. So there’s no way you could have failed at this. This was an operation, a massive cleanup operation and the ramifications would have been dire if you would have failed at this. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. If we had lost it, it would have been terrible. I mean, we several times had to go to the Supreme Court on closed cases.

A lot of good things came out of this. The constitutional ability to hold people without bail who were dangerous comes from Sarno versus the United States. One of my cases, all the law with regard to RICO, some of which is being horribly misapplied by the excuse for a judge in Trump’s case in New York, who is to tell a jury they can convict on any part of a criminal case without unanimity just reverses 800 years of English and American law. For that, he should be summarily removed from the bench. The chief judge in New York should come down there and throw them off the bench and say, we’ve never had a non-unanimous verdict in this country.

Are you appalled at what’s happening in New York right now? Yeah, what’s happening in New York is much, much worse than people realize. It’s a complete desperation of our legal system and the judge should be taken off the bench. Extraordinary means should be used to take this judge off the bench. 800 years of unanimous verdicts. New York is not one of the states that even experimented with non-unanimous verdicts. All of it declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court just four years ago in Ramos versus the United States. What he did is clearly illegal, illicit, unconstitutional, and violates 800 years of history.

It’s much worse than anything Trump has been charging. And Trump didn’t do it. But to tell the jury and confuse them that they can be less than unanimous, I don’t think you should be allowed to be an American judge if you do that. You should go see if they have any more trials left in the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany. That’s where you can have non-unanimous verdicts and you can charge people basically to convict. There’s been too little outcry against the illicit and illegal means of this judge. And if it continues, they’re going to continue to use it against others like me and the other presidents.

Yeah, everyone’s a target now. Yeah, I mean, the guy is to whatever it means to be a judge under the Anglo-American tradition because he makes up his own law and he willfully defies the Supreme Court. I feel like Trump is really, in one hand, really exposing the two-tier system, just how bad this really is. You’ve had expertise in cleaning up the mafia families in New York. How much harder is it going to be to clean up the crimes and to get the crime families in the government, in the United States government? I mean, this is a massive task.

But first, we need to expose it, correct? Correct. I would say you’re absolutely right about that. It is a terrible burden on him and it’s a terrible burden on the legal system and the reputation of everything. But it actually is maybe the only way in a country that has as a medium as we have. Maybe it’s the only way you get it out. I do think, and I’m hoping and praying it’s true, that the American people can see through this. And what they see is a frame up. My audience and my channel are very awake.

And I think we are now witnessing the same type of cartel mafia style intimidation tactics, the control of the current law fair right now that we’re witnessing in America. And it’s horrifying for people to watch this. But I think this is necessary. And I think by Trump taking these bullets, it’s showing the people that what he’s exposing it to the people. I think almost if there’s any kind of plan, it’s genius. I’m just saying people have got to see this first to be horrified. Don’t you agree? I agree with you. And you know, I’ll tell you why.

Five years ago, I wouldn’t have believed it. I wouldn’t have believed that a judge could do what he did. I mean, I would have said, no, not in America. They’d stop him. Everybody would intervene. The judge wouldn’t tell a jury you can convict if you’re less than unanimous on anything. A judge wouldn’t cut off. He wants the jury to decide whether he’s guilty or not guilty of election violations, but he wouldn’t let the election expert testify. So for them, they have no idea what an election violation is. They’re gonna have to guess at it.

If a jury guesses, it’s an invalid verdict. Right. I mean, there’s so many things wrong with this case. The guy should be just taken right off the bench. And you know, the Democrats in New York will take care of them because they put him there wasn’t even elected. He’s an acting judge. He’s a puppet of the Democratic bosses. So they got plenty of jobs, you know, and they have so much patronage in New York, it makes you sick. Has it always been this way? I’m sure it has. But has it always been this way? Or you just now is it just not being exposed? Or do these criminals now have the whole judicial system like captured in favor for them? Is it always been this way? Or is it just now? Is it just, go ahead.

It’s just recent group of Democrats and they’re worse. But the New York legal system, particularly in Manhattan, has been largely criminal for 150 years. Going back to Boss Tweed. The rule would be judges put there by politicians. And once you get put there by a powerful politician, you better do what he wants. Particularly since they’re only there for a term, they don’t get reappointed. So of course, you get an occasional honest judge. But it’s the other way around. You know, when you say that there’s one bad apple in the barrel, maybe there’s one or two good judges in the barrel.

Because the judges are appointed. People should realize this. They claim they’re elected. They’re appointed by the Democrat bosses. And then they largely run unopposed. Engle, who had the other case with Trump, has been elected three times. He’s never had an opponent. Because the Democrat boss makes sure of them. And then the Democrat boss wants his pound of flesh for doing it. It’s been going like that for 150 years. And unless you elect a Republican like me, or LaGuardia, that’s the way it goes. When I was mayor, I never talked to them.

I never saw them. In fact, I had a history of putting them in jail. So they didn’t like to talk to me either. No, they didn’t. So let me ask you this. How can the decent constitutional loving patriots fight against a captured system, a captured operation? I mean, they obviously, they own the game. It’s like that said the casino. It’s like that’s the house. So they got it all covered. How do you fight against this? People have to rise up. And they have to be shown what’s going on, like you pointed out. I can remember back in the 60s and 70s, the Democrats here, he guilty began a reform movement in their party.

They were so disgusted with the corruption. That’s how we got Ed Koch, who turned out to be about as good a Democratic mayor as we’ve had. But that’s very rare. Most of them don’t have the courage to be reformed. Our present mayor is completely dominated by the system. He’s under an investigation by the federal government and the state government. I mean, I don’t know who else can investigate in the United Nations. So I got a few more questions for me. I know you’re short on time. I’m trying to respect that. But I got some some questions.

We’re definitely going to be back when we have more time. This is I appreciate it. I know my stuff, Rudy. I’m not I kept some brain cells. All right. So in my opinion, okay. Just like you fumigate for termites, you got to take them all out. You got to put a tent around the house and get rid of every last termite. What do you suggest I would imagine it needs to be this whole system needs to become completely cleaned up from the top to bottom, like you’re fumigating for termites. And you got to get them all.

Don’t you agree? I love that. I love the analogy to Hey, folks, I got to cut it right there. I get into some heavy questions with Rudy Giuliani that I am not comfortable on putting putting on fluff tube. So please understand. It’s going to be a Nino’s corner TV. I know a lot of you are mad about this. But it’s just the way I roll. Some very important revealing questions. I asked Rudy Giuliani and I think his answers are epic. Go to Nino’s corner TV to see the rest of this interview folks. Later.

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