The Oklahoma legislature is working on a bill to prevent the Department of Human Services (DHS) from unjustly removing children from their homes. The bill, proposed by State Representative Gabe Woolley, aims to require clear and convincing evidence of abuse or neglect before a child can be taken from their family. This comes after numerous reports of families being unfairly targeted and children being wrongfully taken away. The bill also proposes a six-month review period for cases where a child has been removed from their home.
The article discusses a bill that requires proof of abuse before a child can be removed from their home by Child Protective Services (CPS). If CPS fails to provide clear evidence of abuse, they must return the child to their family. If they don’t, the CPS worker in charge could be charged with kidnapping. The bill has received a lot of support from the public, but some government officials and CPS workers are against it.
The article discusses concerns about child trafficking, particularly the wrongful removal of children from their homes for financial gain. It also highlights the need for reform in Child Protective Services and the introduction of House Bills 1100 and 1164 in Oklahoma, which aim to address these issues. The process for these bills to be passed is explained, including the need for them to pass through two committees before reaching the House floor for a vote. The article ends with a call for leaders who genuinely care for the people they serve and a desire for improved accountability in government institutions.
Redvive Health offers panels that emit natural light waves, similar to those from the sun, which can improve skin health and penetrate deep into the body to reach bones, muscles, tissues, and organs. These panels are available for purchase with financing options. The article also discusses a concept presented by J.D. Vance, suggesting that love should be prioritized starting with family, then community, fellow citizens, and finally the rest of the world. This concept has sparked debate, with some agreeing and others arguing it’s not a Christian concept.
The author discusses the role of Christians in society, arguing that it’s important for Christians to be active in various roles, including leadership positions. They criticize those who suggest that Christians should not be involved in politics or public life, arguing that this mentality allows for the advancement of evil. The author also discusses the concept of Christians being ‘exiles’ or ‘strangers’ in the world, suggesting that this doesn’t mean they should avoid involvement in societal issues. They emphasize that Christians can care deeply about societal issues without it becoming idolatry.
The text discusses the power a president has during wartime, including the ability to mobilize the nation’s economy and potentially use nuclear weapons. It contrasts this with the inability of an “exile” to shut down commerce on Sundays, referencing past laws that restricted certain activities on this day. The text also criticizes certain Christian political ideologies and encourages people to attend church and worship.

SA SA Fascinating stories that we’re going to get to today. Welcome to the program. Happy Friday to everybody out there watching. My name is Paul Harrell, and this is the Millstone Report. As always, we can’t do the program without watching every single day. I think a lot of people here, especially if you’ve been watching this program for any number of time, you’ve known that. I’ve highlighted the state of Oklahoma before in our news coverage. Admittedly, it’s certainly skewed towards the favor of State Senator Dusty Devers there. But a new story has come across my desk that I find very, very interesting.

That has to do with there’s an effort now in the Oklahoma legislature to try to curb DHS kidnapping. I mean, sure, we’ve heard these horror stories not just in the state of Oklahoma, but you’ve heard them all across the country, right? I mean, you. Your kid breaks their arm and every parent, you know, you go to the hospital, are you gonna get that report? Well, I think a kid breaks their arm doing something totally normal, like a kid would do. But now all of a sudden, Child Protective Services or DHS is sicked on an innocent family.

And now they have to comply with all kinds of regulations, all kinds of visits, all basically, you’re basically guilty until you’re. You can prove yourself innocent. And this has affected parents and families all across the country. And in some cases, the DHS comes in and steals your child. And I think I can speak for everybody out there where we can all say that many wars throughout history were fought for much, much less than these type of grievances. That’s why I recently was shown stories like this. We have this headline over at Fox 23 local Oklahoma affiliate, State Lawmaker files Bill that threatens legal actions against DHS if cases are mishandled.

Also, we have this one House bill would. Could impose felony charges on DHS workers. Also, we have this one. This basically just, you know, a flurry of articles here. State Representative Woolley. Gabe Woolley pushes Accountability Bill as Judge Dismisses DHS Petition. So the author of this new piece of legislation is State Representative Gabe Woolley, and he joins us now to talk more about this. State Representative Woolley, thank you so much for your time, sir. Absolutely. Thank you for having me. All right, so first off, I know you have a little bit of a story. You have an experience with dhs.

Tell us a little bit about that. And obviously that is the reason that you’re motivated here to try to put real teeth in the law, real accountability. When DHS Trumps parental rights. Yeah. So our story with Child Protective Services starts back in 2018. So in March, it will be seven years. My parents, Bill and Lisa Woolley, had legal guardianship of their two grandchildren, Clayton and Elijah. My sister was in drug rehabilitation. They raised him in a safe Christian home. Elijah died at 14 months old unexpectedly in the middle of the night. My sister had abused drugs while she was pregnant with him.

There was pneumonia found in his system, likely from sids, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. But a detective, Danny Elliott out of Wagner County, Oklahoma, broke an arrow, decided that there’s no such thing as sids, and he decided to try to pin it as murder and child sexual abuse. And he falsely accused my parents, Bill and Lisa Woolley, of murder and child sexual abuse, put them in jail for eight months for crimes they didn’t commit. Child Protective Services took the other grandson, Clayton, my nephew, and my 17 year old sister, Glorie Woolley. Glory came home shortly after she was removed because she had just turned 18.

She was taken when she was 17. She helped raise the boys full time with my parents. And all charges were dropped and dismissed upon my parents, Bill and Lisa Woolley, in 2021. But even after charges are dropped and dismissed, and they’re dropped because there’s no evidence to keep the charges going of any crime, Child Protective Services still to this date keeps Clayton away from anyone he’s ever known before, any family members that he’s known before. New school, new friends, has been basically kidnapped by the government seven years ago. We’re still to this day fighting Child Protective Services.

Again, charges dropped, dismissed, no evidence of any crime. So people being treated as innocent until proven guilty in a justice system being weaponized against the people, similar to what we’ve even seen with President Trump with the justice system being weaponized against him. It’s happening here, boots on the ground with everyday citizens. This lack of accountability in government systems, the court system, family court system, judicial systems, being weaponized against the people without a true fair shot to defend yourself and right to all the rights that are listed in our Constitution, that unfortunately, where we’re at right now, when we measure these things and hear these stories, even across the nation, beyond the state of Oklahoma, we see that a lot of these rights that we have look really good on paper, but when it’s time to act them out in real life, they’re jeopardized.

Yeah, 100%. What can you tell us about this story here? Specifically talking about this judge, A judge has decided to dismiss a petition calling for a grand jury to investigate the Oklahoma Department of Human Services and other officials for failure to protect some children and families. What can you tell us about this? Yeah, there’s a juvenile center in Tulsa. Tulsa Juvenile Center. And there has been reports and accusations of rape, child sexual abuse, molestation, etcetera, Happening in this DHS Child Protective Services state facility, which is interesting if you also look into the history of Oklahoma. In 1981, we had an issue where the federal government got involved.

Fast forward to 2025, and apparently we’re still having a similar issue with government entities through Child Protective Services. So there was a grand jury petition, which means you need to get a certain amount of signatures to have a simply an investigation. Just to ask. Just to be able to ask your government officials and your government entities that your tax dollars pay for, just to be able to ask them questions about concerns and complaints that have been filed about sexual abuse and rape, you have to get a certain amount of signatures for a petition. They did not get quite enough signatures for that petition, so the judge did not grant the petition.

The district attorney out of Tulsa, Steve Kunzweiler, showed up to a lot of the meetings where they tried to gather petitions and would go talk to people and basically tell them if they. My understanding he is. He would tell them if they sign, it’s a misdemeanor. He would. He was trying to intimidate people not to sign this petition because he was named in the petition. And so there was some intimidation tactics. I was subpoenaed to court to testify because this district attorney came up to me and had mentioned something as well. But when we got to court, this Tulsa judge simply saw there wasn’t enough signatures, ignored the petition, ignored the witnesses that were there, and said, there’s not enough signatures.

We’re pretty much done here, and walked out of the room. So once again, it feels like the government gets away with whatever they want to get away with. The people try to hold the government accountable, and we’re falling short on that. I want to talk about what you just mentioned here in just a second about Oklahoma having this problem, and there’s some evidence of that back in the 80s, but specifically with this bill, what kind of pushback are you getting? Where is it in the committee process? I know the headlines that I was running a second ago or, you know, 15 days ago or so.

So where is this process? Oklahoma House Bill 1100 and Oklahoma House Bill 1164 are the two bills that I wrote to for judicial DHS, Child Protective Services reform. Oklahoma House Bill 1100 changes the word of the preponderance of evidence, it changes that legal term to clear and convincing evidence. Preponderance of evidence means there’s just a 51% chance, likelihood or possibility that a child may or may not be being abused. No evidence is required for Child Protective Services to keep your child away. They just have to have a suspicion or a thought based off of their opinion.

I want to change that legal term to where you actually have to have clear and convincing evidence to keep a person’s child away from them. Innocent until proven guilty. That’s what I’m asking for. I understand if Child Protective Services has accusations or has some type of, what might be evidence and they need to remove a child, but you have to, then the burden of proof is then upon the court and Child Protective Services to actually prove that that child was being abused or neglected. Not hearsay, not an opinion. We’re supposed to live in a world where you’re innocent until proven guilty.

Facts and evidence are supposed to mean something. So when that child is removed, House Bill 1100 puts a six month review period that you need to be coming back to court and allowing the parents or the guardians to defend themselves and hearing both sides of the story. And they need to prove that the child should be kept out of that home. They need to have proof of this abuse so the government can’t just kidnap people’s children. At the end of the bill it says if a judge, court orders the release of a child because there’s not clear and convincing evidence, if that law has changed, then the child has to be removed, released by Child Protective Services to go back to their family because there’s no proof of any crime, no evidence of any abuse.

And if DHS does not comply, they would be. The DHS worker that holds the authority to relinquish or hold the child could be charged with kidnapping just like you or I. If we refused to release a child, if we were babysitting someone’s child and it was time to give the child back and we refused to, we would be charged with kidnapping. So why should the government be above the law? What, what’s the, what’s the bureaucratic state like there in Oklahoma? I mean, I would imagine they, they hate a bill like this. Well, this bill is receiving tremendous feedback from the people.

I can’t keep up with my emails or my social media comments, but when it comes to some, obviously Child Protective Services would not be a fan of this. Some other elected officials that have formerly worked for Child Protective Services say that they’re Not a fan of this. And I have said I’m willing to make amendments to this bill. I’ve been very transparent to work. I’ve even reached across the aisle and I’ve scheduled. Tried to schedule a meeting a couple times with the head of Oklahoma DHS and with the head of Oklahoma occy to build a bridge rather than a wall and ask for help and insight.

And where can we meet in the middle and make sure we’re protecting children on both sides. That’s still in the works. And so I have been open to make amendments, but yes, certainly more bureaucratic aspects or elements or people in government that were not elected by the people. You see pushback on this bill, but from the people directly themselves, overwhelming support that, I mean, I can’t keep up with. I’m getting contacted by other states. I’m having to. I had to build a Facebook page and just funnel people. Have someone build a Facebook page and funnel people there, because everyone’s all over the place.

And how do I get them all in one spot? So right now I’m working on building a timeline from 1981 to current about Oklahoma DHS. In these cases where something has gone wrong, I know there’s a place for dhs. So we’re not talking about where the children really were abused and needed to be removed. And hopefully parents got help and could be reunified when everyone was right and ready. We’re talking about some serious questionable cases where families were not supposed to be torn apart. Oklahoma does not have the best history. Well, yeah, so let’s talk about that history.

I mean, I didn’t know anything about this until, you know, right before we were. We were coming on air. You text me something about throwaway children or throwaway kids back in 1981. What can you tell us about that? Interesting. Yeah. Now we live in the day and age of ChatGPT. So I just decided to ask, what are some of the most horrific child protective services cases in Oklahoma? Expecting it to start around early 2000s. Things I’ve already seen. No, it started in 1981. Oklahoma DHS, ABC News 20 20, their investigative series that they do, came back, came to Oklahoma in 1981 because our child protective services here was so terrible and the federal government got involved.

They had a hearing in the federal senate, and even locally, the governor at that time in 1981 and the district attorney general in 1981 even got involved. We’re trying to get our governor and attorney general here in 2025 to do something about it. I’VE had several meetings with the governor about this and no action on that part. But this is the Throwaway kids. This turned into a book, if anyone wants to read the book, called the Throwaway Kids Oklahoma. And so it was a. Stemmed from a ABC news television series 2020 investigative series called Oklahoma Shame.

And they came and they found out children were being locked up and abused and Child Protective Services and their juvenile systems. What I’m. What did I. What I just explained in 2025 in the Tulsa Juvenile center, the concerns we’re seeing. So are we repeating history here in Oklahoma in 2025, 44 years later? That’s my concern. So we’re trying to have this petition granted and try again with more petitions to have see make sure we’re not repeating the worst parts of history. So 1981 is the earliest signs I’ve seen of DHS concerns here in Oklahoma. Trying to figure out, I know some things got better.

Trying to figure out if some other things still need some work here. Fast forward 44 years later. I mean, is it the same allegations, you know, we just covered with this judge, you know, there not being enough signatures on the petition, but the same allegations, state run facility abuse, you know, child molestation, that sort of thing. Is that, is that what was also going on in the 80s? We were finding out in 1981. And I got to remember his name when I look it up. But the head of Oklahoma DHS was making the second largest salary.

They compared him to the president’s salary at that time. And there was a lot of kids being mishandled, hence the name throwaway kids. Children were essentially being abused and not handled properly. And this is when we had some major Child Protective Services reform in Oklahoma. I need to dig deeper into it. It sounds like we were kind of getting into the place of moving away from orphanage type structure to foster homes versus a facility though, that we still have facilities, like I said in Tulsa. And now we’re trying to figure out what the heck is going on in there with all these allegations of abuse in 2025.

But this was, this was the case that essentially rocked Oklahoma across the nation and birthed occy, a group that’s supposed to hold DHS accountable. Met with the director of OCCY just last week and talked to some other legislators and apparently they were birthed to hold Child Protective Services accountable and be the counterpart for it. But that’s not. What do we still have you? Gabe, are you still there? Yeah. Can you hear me? All right? Yeah, sorry. Yeah. Well, you Just broke up at the tail end there. Just want to make sure we didn’t lose the connection.

Why? Let me ask you this. We have a huge human trafficking problem in this country, in this world. I mean, human slavery is underground. And obviously the open border contributes to a lot of this. I mean, we know this is the case. And so in a world, and of course the media wants to diminish it. They don’t want to report on it. They have it for a very, very long time. So given that fact, given that, you know, human slavery, child sex trafficking has flourished, is flourishing, obviously, we hope in a Trump administration, you know, that starts to go away and people start going to jail or going to Guantanamo Bay or wherever they’re gonna go.

But if this sick disease of sexualizing kids and abusing kids is so rampant the way it is, then logic would suggest that the government agencies that are taske with saving the children are going to attract these vile, vile people. Do you agree with that? Oh, yeah. We have a former state representative, Sherry Conley here that has launched a group. She left the legislature, didn’t run for reelection after six years because she needed to go out and launch the group Broken Trust, where they are now archiving and finding all these cases of sexual abuse happening in schools.

So to your point of entities we’re supposed to trust to protect children, Child Protective Services, the psychology and the reality behind this, usually if someone is a sexual predator, they’re going to find a way to insert themselves to where there are more potential victims and where they can blend in and find access to those victims. And so you will see in these facilities where children are. I’m certainly not painting the picture that all teachers or staff or DHS workers are this way. But when you do see someone who’s a sexual predator, you will find them working in areas around children and finding their way to blend in, be a quote, unquote painted as a safe person to be around those kids to gain access to the children.

It’s just unbelievable. I mean, but yet we have this, you know, not just in Oklahoma. I mean, we, you know, as I said in the beginning, horror stories from parents really all across this country where a lot of people compare DHS or Child Protective Services, depending on what it’s called, it’s different acronyms for different states. I mean, as child traffickers, some of these institutions, under the guise of the law, you know, well, we’re the government, are actually trafficking kids. Matter of fact, under the Biden administration, you know, we’re now finding out that you Know, the Trump administration is finding 80,000 children that the Biden administration enabled to be trafficked, essentially.

I mean, it’s crazy. Yeah. There’s two sides to this trafficking thing. Both terrible so, not one side being better than the other. There’s the direct sex trafficking, you know, maybe coming across the border, children in Oklahoma, in the United States, wherever they may be kidnapped for direct sex trafficking. Then there’s the wrongful removal of children from homes and people making financial gain because of that removal. That’s also trafficking. You are making money from the displacement from someone being displaced, a child from their home when they shouldn’t be. And people and entities are financially gaining from that.

That is also trafficking. And it’s essentially government ordained trafficking because it’s under the guise of child protective services. When you wrongfully remove a child from their home, you don’t have evidence to be able to do that. And people are financially gaining and getting incentives from the federal government and state government level, whether it be through the foster care system or whether it be because the child’s put on more medication or on IEP and they get more government assistance because they have to rely on the government more for their medication or their education programs. More and more state and federal funds come in, the more children they take away.

There’s a financial incentive. We’re certainly, I’m working with ocpa, we’re looking into more research on the federal financial incentives for removing children from their home. This is human trafficking. There are those two extremes of it. I want to, I’m curious, what is the state, what’s your state policy over there when you guys file a bill? If you, if you, if you file a bill in Oklahoma, are you guaranteed to get a hearing in front of a committee? Sometimes that’s not the case. Right. Like in the, like in D.C. just because you write a bill doesn’t, doesn’t, doesn’t mean you’re going to guarantee, you know, get a hearing in front of the committee that could pass it on.

So are you guaranteed for this bill to be heard? No. So the House, we have a new speaker of the House. And the structure now for the Oklahoma House of Representatives, there are now two tiers of committees that your bill have to get through just in the House, whereas before it was one, and then if it passed committee, it went to the floor, then it was kicked across to the Senate, went through their one committee threshold, went to the Senate floor, then to the governor’s desk. Now it goes through two committees. So this Oklahoma House Bill, 1100 and Oklahoma House Bill 1160 are going to go through the Judicial Criminal Committee in the Oklahoma House of Representatives.

That starts next week. We start getting into committee meetings over the next three to four weeks. And then if it passes, if House, Oklahoma House Bill 1100 and Oklahoma House Bill 1164 pass that first committee, then they go on to the next committee and then they can go to the House floor for a vote. So this bill is just the beginning, has a long ways to go. It’s certainly very controversial when you talk about elected officials or bureaucratic forms of government versus what the people are wanting. And so there might be amendments made to this bill.

We’ll see if it stands a chance. As of right now, I haven’t been told that it won’t be heard in committee, so we’ll see. But the chairman of the committee on their own authority can decide to hear it or not. Okay. Well, I mean, I think just by and large, and I’ve talked about this for a long time, we’re in the midst of a, at least we have been in the midst of just a cascading failure of confidence that the people have in all institutions, you know, from the State House all the way to D.C. and what people want is accountability, right? You know, when the government, when a politician like, look, you know, Bob Menendez, the senator from New Jersey is going to jail for 11 years, I mean, I guess unless somehow he, you know, weasels his way out of it.

But then you look at these criminals, you know, like Fauci and the rest, you know, they get these pardons. This is the American people are sick of this. And so I think this is a microcosm on a smaller level here where, look, the people, if one of these government workers, in the name of, you know, taking care of your children, actually harms your children by removing them when they’re not supposed to be removed, then they need to face the consequences for that. Right? I mean, you’re putting parents in a terrible situation. I mean, I cannot imagine what I would do if the government came and took my child away from me.

And I think you say that, you say that in one of these articles. Like, what we’re putting parents through is unconscionable. And that’s why I said at the top, I mean, wars have been fought over much less. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And people are obviously understandably up in arms with this. And I am trying to build a bridge between Child Protective Services to have it reformed and the people. So I have had, I have asked Occy, the director of occy. And I will ask the director of Oklahoma DHS that we considered a roundtable with both sides of the party come to the table if we can first all acknowledge that DHS needs to be reformed in the first place.

So the first step in this is there needs to be an aspect of humility. There needs to be checks and balances. There needs to be the initiative to realize that nothing’s perfect and there’s room for DHS to be improved. Look what happened in 1981 in DHS. And now fast forward to 2025, we still see problems. Clearly there was need for reform in 1981, the birth of OCCY to hold DHS accountable. Now that’s not happening. And now in 2025, we have these problems again. So my prayer is now that we’ve seen turnover and the Oklahoma head of DHS has been unseated and we have a new director that I hope that they are willing to acknowledge where there needs to be improvement.

And these are leaders that have humility and we can together reform Oklahoma DHS to protect children who need to be protected and stop removing children who should not be removed when there’s no evidence of a crime. HENCE House Bill 1100. Well, you said it. Leaders that actually have humility would be a sign of leaders that actually love the people they’re supposed to serve. Right. And that’s, I think, ultimately, I talk about this all the time. We want leaders that love the people and not hate the people and oftentimes their actions, you know, reveal that they actually hate the people they claim to serve.

State representative from Oklahoma, Gabe Woolley. God bless you, sir, for your work. And I know you’ve got other stuff you’re working on and we’d love to have you on and talk about that as well, sir. Absolutely. Reach out anytime. Thanks for having me. All righty, thank you so much. Gabe Woolley, everybody. Man, really fascinating stuff that’s going on all across this country. I talk about these red states, these Christian red states that are passing laws to make their governments better. This is certainly one of those instances and for far too long. You know, kind of the crux of my question about, you know, about human trafficking also comes to this mentality like, when did we get such an anti parental right mentality like, when did that happen? Where does that exactly, where does that come from? This, this, this.

I mean, you can call it the nanny state, but I mean, it’s so much worse than that now. Fascinating stuff, folks. The sponsor of this segment is our newest sponsor, Red Vive. And I want to thank them. I’m excited to partner with, with RedVive. It’s RedVive Health. And I got to tell you, I’ve got one of these panels right there that you see, and it’s absolutely fascinating. And I’ve never felt, I didn’t realize you could feel so good so quickly. Right. With red light therapy. And I knew a little bit about red light therapy mainly that a lot of these Medicaid, Medicare, a lot of these health providers, they don’t want you to know anything about it.

Again, because of the big pharma aspect of it. They want, they don’t want people to actually get better. They want them to be, you know, perpetual customers and that sort of thing. But the healing power of red light therapy is real. So they admit red and near infrared light. And this light is designed to reduce muscle and joint inflammation. It’s not designed to do. It’s what it does. It also reduces pain. It does this by stimulating cellular energy, which speeds up recovery. It’ll boost your skin collagen. It strengthens your body, it boosts your mood. Red and near infrared light are two wavelengths that are naturally emitted by the sun.

So that’s basically all you’re getting, but you’re getting it right at home from a panel in your house. In targeted doses, these waves have a healing effect on the body. Red light is absorbed by your skin, leading to enhanced skin health, collagen production. It’s anti aging. Near infrared light penetrates deeper into the body, reaching your bones, your muscles, your tissues, even your organs. So I want you to give them a try today, even have financing available so you can pay for one of these panels, you know, monthly if you’d like. But you got to go to redvivehealth.org that’s redvivehealth.org you see it right there on your screen, Paul.

Redvivehealth.org Paul. And light for healing, hope for tomorrow. That is redvive Health. And again, we really appreciate them and our partnership with redvive. Really excited to continue telling you about this great product. We’re going to have Dr. Desai back on and we’re going to have a lot of fun talking about this great technology because, you know, this really, it really is, it really is the future. And again, I was talking to somebody, I think 15 years ago, he was a physical therapy student and he was, was getting his master’s or something. I can’t. Anyway, and he started, he was the guy saying he like this, he was Writing some paper thesis or something on red light.

And he was like, what are you talking about? He was like, no, you don’t understand. This is the future. Like all the research is going towards what this does, you know, stimulating your cells. It’s incredible. So anyway, we’ve got a great rest of the show for you. I have been super excited to talk about what we’re about to talk about. J.D. vance, Ordo Amoris. Ordo amoris. What am I talking about? Ordo amoris. Well, man, J.D. vance for the win. I’m gonna tell you. Vice President Vance, which is crazy to even say, he comes out in an interview with Hannity and he starts to talk about the order of loves, basically a rightly ordered loves or responsibility from, you know, from a person to love their family, to love their countrymen before, before we’re, you know, required to love other people.

And it’s really just, it’s really, honestly, it’s not even controversial. And if you think it’s controversial, then you need to ask your. Or you think it’s unchristian, like some of these pearl clutching evangelicals. You should ask yourself, like if you’re married and you love your wife, Right. Is it a sin to not love other women the same way you love your wife? Well, of course not. Is it a sin to not love other people’s children the way you uniquely love your own children? No, that is not a sin. So that’s what this technical, this is what this means, this ordo amoris.

And I say ordo Amoris because J.D. vance, and we’ve talked about this Latin phrase on the program before, but J.D. vance actually, in response to the criticism for the remarks that he made, he actually brought it up, which has got some people wondering if J.D. vance has been reading American Reformer, which I hope he has. I hope everybody goes out there and reads American Reformer. Just Google ordo amoris. Aside from that, the idea that there isn’t a hierarchy of obligations violates basic common sense. Does Rory really think his moral duties to his own children are the same as his duties to a stranger who lives thousands of miles away? Does anyone? Let’s actually get to this.

This was a Jack Posobic tweet highlighting what JD Vance said in the interview. Let’s just take a listen for a second. But there’s this old school, and I think it’s a very Christian concept, by the way, that you love your family and then you love your neighbor and then you love your community and then you love your fellow citizens in your own country. And then after that, you can focus and prioritize the rest of the world. A lot of the far left has completely inverted that. They seem to hate the citizens of their own country and care more about people outside their own borders.

That is no way to run a society. And I think the profound difference that Donald Trump brings to the leadership of this country is the simple concept America first. It doesn’t mean you hate anybody else. It means that you have leadership. And President Trump has been very clear about this. That puts the interests of American citizens first. In the same way that the British Prime Minister should care about Brits and the French should care about the French, we have an American president who cares primarily about Americans, and that’s a very welcome change. What is President Xi doing? So this actually sent a lot of woke evangelicals, you know, clutching their pearls.

There is a Christian concept that you love your family and then you love your neighbor, and then you love your community, and then you love your fellow citizens, and after that, you prioritize the rest of the world. Jack Posobec rightfully notes that the left has completely inverted that. The author for the Case of Christian nationalism, Dr. Stephen Wolf, he says every tradition in Christianity affirms this. Roman, eastern, reformed, etc. Except the anti Baptists, because they’re very much pacifists. That’s where the Amish spring out of that faith tradition. He goes on, Stephen Wolf, I was shocked two years ago to get so much pushback on this from evangelicals.

That’s exactly right. So Dr. Stephen Wolf has gotten a lot of pushback over the years. He has been saying what JD Vance just said for a long, long time. That’s why this incredibly incredible to me. It’s incredible to a lot of people on Christian X right now. Stephen Wolf and others like him have been saying this for years and have been getting pushback because, you know, they get called, oh, you’re a racist then, right? And now there’s this stupid term called woke, right, which is just a new way of calling people racist, because the old way of just actually saying that you’re racist has no power.

So they’ve invented a new term called woke, right, as A.D. robles calls it. We’re in the middle of woke wars. Two woke wars. One was during the Summer of Love, you know, the blm, that sort of thing. Megan Basham responds, all of the sniping at JD Vance is meant to convince you that a government’s first obligation is not to its own citizens. Think about the implications of why someone would want to Gaslight you into believing that. Right? I mean think about how broken the leftist brain is, those who disagree with that literally think about how broken you would have to be to feel bad about loving your own because you know, they do, you know, in their, in their minds and you know, in their hearts they love their own children more than they love other people, other people’s kids.

You know, in their, in their hearts they love their wife or they’re supposed to more than they love other women. And it’s not a sin to love your wife more. Okay, thank. Than another than another random woman on the street. And yet their brains are so inverted, their brains are so broken and so reversed that they’ve got people thinking that they’ve got to somehow have this self denial exercise for some sort of, I don’t know, like new holier than God altruism, you know, ignoring, like having to ignore the fact that the Lord that God instituted the family.

Here’s some more fallout from all of this. Josh Dawes we went from this isn’t a Christian nation to this is what the Bible requires of us as a nation in record time. It’s really, it’s been a fascinating turn of events also here. So here is Thabidi Anawible. Thabiti Anawible does not like this is a purported Christian minister and Thabiti Anawible does not like this statement from JD Vance that we just heard. He says this may be an old school concept, but it’s not a very Christian concept. He’s describing natural affection, a fleshly notion of love. He’s describing self love spread over a wider area.

He’s not describing Christian or supernatural love. Well, actually, yeah he is. But what’s interesting is this, and I’ve heard Stephen Wolf talk about this a lot as well, this idea that grace, like the grace of Christ, the gospel of Christ, obliterates your human nature, meaning the same human nature that Adam and Eve had before they sinned, before the fall. And the fact is that grace does not do that. Andrew T. Walker it is fascinating to me that Christian voices on X that never complained about Joe Biden’s faux Catholicism with its aborting and transing of kids are now upset with JD Vance for channeling historic Christian thought and trying to dunk on him as a love denying bigot.

Fascinating, isn’t it? I wonder why that is. They finally found that prophetic utterance once again. That’s exactly right now. And they’re doing it all now because of the mass deportations. So the reason JD Vance Saying what he said is so, is so good is because back before the mass deportation orders had even kicked off, thanks to Megan Basham. And again, she’s the author of the book Shepherds for Sale. Fantastic book. You should get it and read it. The reason this is so good is because back before the deportation orders even kicked off, Christianity Today sent out emails basically telling their reporters and their readers to look for sob stories.

We want, they knew the mass deportation orders were coming and so they want to see, they want stories, they want photos even like that AI generated photo of the kid crying with the ICE agent in the foreground and the kid crying in the background. They want these emotionally charged images of illegals being deported. Right. So that they can say that it’s not Christian. But you see, J.D. vance is saying, look, there’s nothing unchristian about it and it’s actually loving towards your neighbor to do the best good to them, the people that actually live here and have a right to live here and are not here illegally, that it’s the loving thing to do.

And he’s exactly right. And so the pearl clutching Christians, you know, woke, woke Christians are now all of a sudden, now they want to claim they have the moral high ground, when in fact they don’t. And it’s very clear that we don’t give them an inch here. No, you don’t have the moral high ground, as a matter of fact. And we’ve got a long list of bodies to prove it, dead bodies like Lake and Riley, that, you know, your sob stories and your emotional manipulation would actually see more dead Americans if you, if your policy, if you had your way.

And so, no, we’ve got to resist this, this emotionalism. It’s ridiculous. Molly Hemingway even talking about Thomas Aquinas. Thomas Aquinas talks about this in the summa. And it’s so beautiful to hear politicians speak the truth. It’s exactly right. Again, this is not, this is not hard stuff, but I mean, I guess it is when you, when you really start to think, you know, we’ve talked along, we’ve talked a long time on this program about like the Founding Fathers. And just in terms of, like, you heard me say this a lot. You know, they weren’t sitting around writing the First Amendment saying, okay, the First Amendment’s going to give people the right to distribute pornography all over.

No, the First Amendment’s going to give people the right to blaspheme, you know, because there were blasphemy laws on the books that were perfectly legal and withstood Court challenges in this country since 1930. So when you start to talk about that today, you quickly realize how many people, like, if we really went back to the founding and the mentality of this Christian nation, it would feel very much like a revolution to a lot of people, right? But then you’ve got some evangelicals that want to put this notion out there. And it’s a notion out there to prevent the organization of Christians in society from, you know, getting better leaders that are Christians or getting leaders in power that are not going to check their faith at the door.

Right? Like, we need Christian dog catchers, we need Christian quorum court members, we need Christian state legislatures, state senators, we need Christian congress people, House and Senate, we need Christian presidents, we need Christian vice president. And this is what we need. It’s a good thing for our country. And yet, I mean, if you go and you look, well, here’s. Look at this Stephen Wolf post right here. The US Constitution is woke right? For ourselves and our posterity. Again, these detractors out there trying to make woke right stick. Oh, you’re one of those woke writers, which is just a new way to call people racist.

But then you look at the US Constitution again, for ourselves and our posterity, like, what are we doing this for at all? Why do we even live right? The chief end of men is to worship God, glorify God, enjoy him forever. And in that there are ordinary things like having family, having children. There’s obviously the civil realm, there’s the ecclesiastical realm. But, you know, asserting basic truths is triggering to some people these days. Which brings me to this, Dr. Stephen Wolf. This was recently resurrected by a guy by the name of Matt on, on X. And I thought this was fascinating because there are those people who are very weary of this idea that Christians are organizing more.

Christians are taking control of the debate on X. They’re putting forward Christian political thought like, this is the way things should be. These are our goals. And you have some people that are detractors from that. You have some people that say, oh, you may be making an idol out of the government. No, a Christian can care deeply about something and it not be an idol. Okay? So, so yeah, and at this point we have to dismiss it outright because it’s been used, this claim of idolatry has been used so many times to get Christians to do nothing and allow in public life and just allow the advancement of evil over, over so, so much of our, of our landscape.

But then you got to wonder like, but what is acceptable for a Christian? Some people Want to say, well, this world is not our home. And that’s true. But they use the fact that this world, as Christians is not our home to. Again, well, that means we can’t do anything. So Stephen Wolf actually. And I think this is sped up to like two times. Stephen Wolf actually has a great critique of this mentality. Listen, what’s weird about this, when they say we’re in Babylon and we’re pilgrims in this world, but they’re not Anabaptist. These guys are not Anabaptist.

They’re Presbyterians. Okay, so they’re not Anabaptist, they’re not pacifists, and they’re not opposed to you being in the military. They’re not opposed to you being the president of the United States. But they have this talk of we gotta be exiles, just like in the first century Christians. And, and, and there’s, and it’s Babylon. What’s really wild about this, if you think about it. And we just, just think, think about this. You can do, like, they would say that you can do a lot of violent stuff. You can impose a lot of force as exiles, as pilgrims in this world, as an individual.

As for strangers in Babylon, you can do a lot of violent stuff. Now, what do I mean by that? Well, you can be, you can be a police officer and you can forcibly apprehend a criminal. You can shove him in the back of a squad car. You can shoot a guy who’s about to shoot you or harm you in some significant fashion or harm someone else. You can kill him. You can shoot to kill. You can send that person to jail, and then you, you know, you, a different you, I guess, could then be the judge and you can sentence that guy to the death penalty.

So as, as an exile, you can be a police officer with a gun who can shoot or apprehend and put him in front of a judge. That judge can be a Christian and an exile stranger in Babylon. And he could say, I sentence you to death by, you know, firing squad or the chair or whatever through the gas chamber. I sentence you that so far, these guys, I think, would be okay with all that. Like, you can do the death penalty. So now the guy gets the, the death penalty, I don’t know, the electric chair. And that Christian, as an exile, he can pull the lever to go zap the guy to kill him.

So so far, the exile, strangers, whatever, can go through the entire legal process and end up executing the guy. Now, that’s okay. That’s all. Just that pilgrims can do that all Right. Now let’s say that, you know, you can be a soldier. And as a soldier you are trained to shoot and kill people. You’re trained to put yourself in harm’s way. And you’re trained there to shoot and kill the enemy. That’s your job. And you can go, you can kill him hand to hand. You can stab the guy in a heart with a knife and watch him die.

An exile pilgrim stranger in Babylon can do that. Apparently that’s pretty violent. You can be the general. You can be the general. Let’s say you’re a division commander, you got thousands of soldiers at your disposal. You’ve got heavy artillery, you’ve got air assets that can bomb stuff or, you know, strike stuff, kill people, all sorts of resources to deploy tremendous amounts of ammunition and destruction upon the enemy, killing thousands of people. And then you can command thousands of people to hurl themselves at the enemy and possibly kill tens of thousands of people violently. And you can do that.

You, General Christian, as a exile stranger, blah, blah, blah, whatever. That’s a lot of violence you can do. So you can do all that as an exile for, you know, in Babylon. Now, let’s say you’re the president United States. I think they would agree that Christians can become political leaders and therefore the president United States. Well, the president can, you know, ask Congress and say, I want to go to war. And Congress declares war. Now you’re the commander in chief in a, in a wartime. And so now your entire nation, you can or you could, you can, or your entire nation around war making.

So you have a wartime economy, a wartime nation. Every time someone wakes up, they’re thinking, I got to conserve this and that because the soldiers in the front line so you can turn the entire nation to a war making factory. That’s all fine, Exile, stranger, all that, you keep going. And then you can hurl perhaps even a million or more millions of your own soldiers to attack another nation. Now let’s just assume everything’s just, just war and all that. You can do that, perhaps killing millions of people. So you as a president can be the commander in chief, you’re an exile stranger, blah, blah.

In Babylon, you can hurl millions and kill millions of people. You can do that for these guys, according to these guys, you can do that. You could in certain circumstances. I’m assuming they would be okay with nuclear weapons being used because we have them. I don’t know, maybe they don’t agree with nuclear weapons, but let’s assume that they do, which they probably do. I’m sure. That we could all think of or find plausible circumstances in which you can justly deploy nuclear weapons and perhaps kill hundreds or two hundreds or just millions of people with a nuclear weapon.

And you can do that. Christian President of the United States as an exile, stranger, pilgrim, all that’s right, Babylon, you can do all that. That’s a tremendous level of violence that you can commit justly in that status. But you know what they’re talking about. So they would say you can do all that. There are just circumstances in which you can do all that stuff as an exile. But you know, an exile cannot do. And exile cannot shut down ordinary commerce on one day of the week, namely Sunday. You can drop nuclear bombs. But you know what? Exiles, we’re exiles.

We cannot prevent ordinary commerce on a Sunday. So what he’s talking about is the Sabbath in this country. We used to have laws on the books. Some people still have remnants of those blue book laws, things like that. Can’t buy alcohol on a Sunday. Or, but I mean, in my home state of Arkansas, I don’t remember it, but I’ve talked to people that do. I mean, the only thing that you could buy on a Sunday was, you know, food and water. So you go into a store on a Sunday and they would have the shelves blocked off, you know, from things that were not considered more like mercy ministries, things like that.

You know, if somebody needs food, you obviously want them to be able to get food on a Sunday. I don’t remember that because by the time I came along all that stuff was long gone. But I remember people, I know people who remember that used to be a thing. This was totally fine for people. The, the idea that, hey, you know, we’re going to honor the Christian Sabbath and we’re going to not buy and sell. We’re not, we’re not going to do that. Now something like this is severely triggering to the National Football League, I’m sure.

But you see his point. There is a vast inconsistency with some pearl clutchers who are opposed to talking about, just in theory, things like what this country used to be with Sabbath laws or blasphemy laws and that sort of thing. So it is, it’s pretty fascinating. And he makes an excellent point about how there’s just something that’s not quite right with certain Christians so called political ideology. Unless of course, it’s like the one of that bishop that was lectured. That type of Christian nationalism is okay. That type of Christian nationalism is perfectly fine. The, you know, the female bishop that’s telling Everybody to telling Donald Trump to his face to have mercy on trans people and don’t do the deportations.

Everybody loved that, right? Well, not everybody, but those on the left certainly did. Matter of fact, that’s actually a perfect segue. That’s a perfect segue to my favorite, my favorite part of the program. Let’s get to it. And let us confess our faith today in the words of the Sparkle Creed. I believe in the non binary God. And now it’s time for I’m already against women clergy. You don’t have to convince me. All right, so for this week’s edition, I guess it’s this week as I’ve been gone with a flu of I’m already against women clergy.

You don’t have to convince me. Once again to courtesy of Protestia over on X, a great follow. This is more of a cursed hymn segment. But of course the female here, the clergy here is female. Just take a listen for yourself. Stand and sing our opening song, which is maybe a little bit different. I don’t think we’ve sung this ever in our church and you’ll see why. Just be aware of, just be curious about your response to it. You may love it, you may not, but we’re going to stand and sing. Quirky, queer and wonderful Distinct, unique and odd all of our humanity reveals the face of God.

No normal can encompass or comprehend, comprehend the range of all the kinds of people that God created. Strange, quirky, queer and wonderful Distinct, unique and odd all our humanity reveals Reveals the face of God. So let’s see. Look at all these, look at these people in this congregation. We got one person wearing a rainbow cape. I don’t know if you can see that on the screen. Look at this, look at this man here. Like, looks like an actual man, like a bald headed man. What, what kind of what, what has. But it’s mostly women, mostly women and you know, very effeminate looking, you know, gay men, I guess know, aside from the fact that this is really what the millstone verse, I mean, you know, rhetorical millstones for these people.

The kids in the audience, although I don’t see any kids in the congregation, thank the Lord, are being led on a path to hell. But the congregation’s being led on a path to hell for stuff like this. But when I see stuff like this, you know what I think about? Honestly, as this morning as I was watching this, I was like, you know what? I don’t know how God does it. Now, granted, like, I get it right, the plank in your own eye and everything else, but no, specifically with God and his covenant keeping. Right. God made a covenant with Noah.

That’s why we have the rainbow. Right? The rainbow is God’s rainbow. And God saying, look, I’m never going to judge the earth again with water. And yet God looks down and he sees this and he doesn’t rupture the waters of the deep and open the windows of heaven once again and deluge the planet again. He doesn’t. But it got me thinking. If it were up to either one of us, I think we would push the button. And I’m just saying if it were up to us to keep that sort of promise and with this sort of rainbow middle finger being shot up to heaven on a daily basis and in churches that I’m assuming at one time, assuming this is an old church building, at one time, they were not apostate.

I don’t know, just it’s, it’s God who keeps his covenants with man. It certainly, certainly is not us. And that’s actually a great segue for me to remind everybody out there that as we’re winding things down, first of all, thanks for bearing with. Thanks bear for bearing with me through my illness. And I’m sorry I was gone for three days this week with the flu. I feel much better now. Thank you for your prayers, but it’s Friday, so happy Friday. But this is also where I just encourage you to go to church. If you don’t go to church, go to church.

Find a church that preaches about, you know, Jesus, death, burial, resurrection, his, he’s mighty to save. He saves sinners. Find a church that does that. Go to church and worship the Lord like we’re called to worship the Lord. So go worship the Lord together at a church. Okay? That’s my encouragement to all of you out there. And for those of you that are going to do that, I hope you have a blessed Lord’s Day. And unless I’m providentially hindered, I’m going to be back here on Monday. I said that on, I said that last Friday. Good grief.

I got sick over the weekend. I’m going to be back here. I’m going to be back here on Monday. We’re going to reset everything and we’re going to have a great week. So God bless everybody out there watching and we’ll see you then soon. The very foundation of the Christian faith is based.
[tr:tra].

See more of Stew Peters Network on their Public Channel and the MPN Stew Peters Network channel.