➡ Nino, the host of Nino’s Corner TV, interviewed Adam Swart, founder of Crowds on Demand, a firm that organizes paid protests. Adam, who used to be a liberal, now feels he’s not liberal enough for today’s left. He discussed how protests are coordinated and funded, and how they can influence political outcomes. Adam also explained that his firm only hires protesters who genuinely agree with the cause they’re protesting for, and they are compensated for their time.

All right, folks, welcome to Nino’s Corner tv. I am with Adam Swart, and I got to give this guy. I got to take my hat off to you, Adam. I, I. You’re a brave guy to come on. You’re going on, you’re making the rounds on conservative podcasts, and I got to take my hat off to you, man. Like, that’s very brave of you to do so, sir. So I’ve always wanted different perspectives and points of view on my show, and I got one today. You are the founder of Crowds on Demand, the original paid protesting firm, and one of the country’s leading experts on protest, political objects and influence strategy.

A lifelong liberal, Adam now considered himself not liberal enough for today’s left, which he describes as a party of tantrums. Not idea. I agree with you on that one. Not ideas he’s known for exposing. Our protests are coordinated, funded, and weaponized across political lines. Wow. Thank you so much for having the bravery to come on my program. My pleasure, Nino. It’s really a pleasure to be with you. And your story inspires a lot of people on regardless of politics. Wow. I’m happy to be on your show just for that reason alone. Thank you, man. I appreciate that, Adam.

Thank you. Well, let’s get into this, man, because let’s try to set the record straight here and at least break bread. And, you know, a lot of people think a lot of liberals are scared to come on my program because, oh, he might ambush me. He might do this, he might do that. I’m not doing that. I’m going to get your perspective, your point of view, Give a little bit of my point of view, and we shake hands and walk away. You know, we may have differences, right? But at the end of the day, we may both like spaghetti.

That’s true. You know what I’m saying? Well, you know, in the Nixon Kennedy debate of 1960, and I want to get back to that period, in certain senses is Nixon, I think it was, who said, we both want the same thing for our country. We just have different ways to get us there. Most things, most people want to be safe in their communities. Most people want to have health care if they’re sick. Most people want families, good schools, good education, good prospects for their kids, you know, and, you know, and they want to do something to take care of the, the less fortunate.

I feel like people agree with that on both sides. It’s just how they do it and how we go about doing those things has been really controversial. And there are definitely a lot of Forces on both sides that seek to divide us. Correct. I, I totally agree with that. So let’s get started here. I got a little bit of questions here. First of all, you know, I see my podcast is a little different because I look at Trump as not the administration, but the operation. And I’ve been watching this for a long time. I’m a brilliant strategist, tooting my own horn here, strategist in boxing.

And I know what I’m looking at. And I’ve always said, listen, the first administration or the first go around where Trump, Trump was invited to run, this was an operation nuclear and beyond. What we’re watching here is a sting operation. And I’m, I’m 100 on this. And that’s, I’ve been following this to the T and Trump, and. But I’m also looking at both sides of the chess game here. I’m also looking at, you know, two wings of the same bird type of situation, you know, so I’m watching everything here because I always know there’s someone always behind the back control and everything.

So let’s get, let’s get started on this. So you founded Crowds on Demand. How did you find this? How long ago? You’re the founder. How did this all get started for you? So, sure. So it was 13 years ago. I was in college in Los angeles. So I’m 34 now, so I found it as a college student. And you found it. You’re 34 now. You founded it 30, 13 years ago. Yeah, so I was 21 years old. Yeah, I just, just got, just got out of being able. Being carded. So, so, so basically I, I worked with a lot of campaigns, mostly on the Democratic side.

And the guys who ran those campaigns were figures out of the 60s. So especially at that time, they were people who had kind of emerged in this sort of hippie Vietnam War movement. And these are people who were used to being able to drive huge turnout to events, right? So they’d be like, Adam, you’re. I was like the student coordinator for Southern California for a lot of these campaigns. And they would be like, Adam, get us 10,000 students, get us 20,000 students. I was like, guys, this is actually pretty challenging compared to your time because students have a lot of competing ways of entertainment.

It’s not, it’s not like 1968. So obviously we didn’t normally get that quite to that level of crowds. But even when we turned out a couple hundred people here, a thousand people there, it made a huge difference because the same speech made the Two people isn’t the same made to as the same. A really good speech made to two people still just doesn’t resonate, you know? Okay, so I kind of understand this, right? Like, when I went to high school here on the border, I live on the border in El Paso. See that? Juarez, right. So we used to throw parties in Juarez, right.

So we’d go down there and talk to the club owners and be. And they’d be okay. And this is before Internet, so obviously we just throw flyers all over the parking lot and get everyone there. I get like a buck ahead. I’d walk out on a weekend and get like two to three grand, right? And I’d be like, this is the way to go. So how do you. So how do you get the people? Like, do you. Do you have to pay them? Is it like, hey, man, three drinks on us? I mean, how do you do this? So, yeah, it’s a really good question.

So. So yeah, to just kind of finish that story, it’s like basically what we found is that when we were able to. More effective even than rallies were protests. Right. Because let’s just say. Let me just give you an example, then I’ll get back to your question, which is that let’s just say one candidate is hosting a rally and has 5,000 people there. And. And I just turn out, say 20, 30, 40 protesters against them. Right. You know, peaceful protesters. Right. Well, the media is going to come and they’re going to say candidate X hosted a rally and these protesters protested the person.

So I’m getting equal coverage with a small percentage of the number of people. Brilliant. Yeah, so. So that’s kind of the idea. So back to what you’re saying. So obviously in this case it was challenging, but I noticed that we were delivering, you know, hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars in earned media. So earned media for your listeners is basically the what you would pay to advertise to get that same exposure. Right. And you have to have just a sliver, a fraction of the people. Correct. And I’ve noticed that, and that’s really still true today. So the answer is we do compensate people now.

We vet people very carefully at all of our events. So everyone who’s being paid, they have to agree with the subject. So we actually have multiple people in our organization whose job it is before every event. Let’s just say we have a protest with 50 people. They’re going to call all the 50 people and say, this is what we’re talking about. Do you agree with this subject? Right. And they’ll ask you’re. But you’re paying them too. Correct. So they’re like, I agree with the money. Well, I, I guess I kind of disagree with that though, Nino, because let’s, you know, you’re conservative.

If somebody said, nino, we’ll pay you $500 to go to a BLM rally, would you, Would you go? I don’t think you would. That’s how broke I am. No, just kidding. But I don’t think people would. I honestly don’t think people would because I feel like. And so what we found is that generally we actually attract people who are passionate about the issue. But what we do, Nino, is we give people the ability who otherwise, especially actually more on the conservative side, in some cases, the ability to express their voices because conservatives are actually more likely to have family obligations, child obligations, work obligations that prevent them from expressing their voice.

So you see all these left wing protesters, let’s just say at a city council or local meeting, but conservatives who might oppose what those leftists are, are supporting. Actually they’re not out there because they have jobs. They have jobs. So unless they have families to support, they have child. So do you give like scripts and like pickets and protest signs to these people? And like, okay, this is what you’re doing. This is how long you’re doing it for. And then we cut it here. Or like. And do you. And, and go ahead, answer that one. So basically, yes.

Now, scripts is a complicated issue. I like to, I prefer not to use scripts because I, I like everybody to speak with their own voice. So I like to, I like for each person to articulate, hey, this is why I’m in favor of the issue. Right. So the issue was, let’s just say, police funding. We want to have safe streets. Right. Well, I want you to tell me why it matters to you that we have safe streets. If it’s about blocking a, you know, environmental disastrous power plant. I want you to tell me why you don’t want this power plant.

I want, I don’t want to tell you why you don’t want the power plant. Right. Now we can help people distill the points and kind of prep people, but I want it to be their thoughts. How much do you, how much is the going rate? Like, how much do these people get paid? Like minimum wage? Do you pay by the event? Well, it’s definitely more than minimum wage. It. The specific compensation is going to depend. So, for example, sometimes what we’re providing, because not all of what we do is political, some of what we do is just have an audience.

So let’s just say you have a big product launch and you want a couple hundred people in the audience and we just need people to sit and cheer. The compensation there is going to be lower than if you, we want you to stand on a icy road in Boston in February. Right? Dude, this is no different than social media. I mean like social media, a lot of people have to pay for likes or pay for people to watch their video, right? I mean I, I know people that do that and it’s just, to me it’s kind of pathetic.

But I mean, I guess if you want to boost your brand, some people do it, right? It’s kind of like I don’t think it is. So, so I guess I sort of disagree with you. I’m talking about the social media way. Yeah, the social media that I don’t, I mean, yeah, I guess, I guess that’s true. I guess, I guess the, the counterargument to that in either situation would be what you’re doing is it’s a catalyst, right? So I can’t speak to the social media side, but in regards to protest, it’s a catalyst. Well, what we do is we put the bird in the air, right? If the bird being the movement, the bird still has to have wings to fly, right? Because what we do is we get the attention.

There are a lot of amazing causes that never actually get visibility because they just don’t have the money to get attention behind them. You see what I’m saying? Right. So it’s a catalyst. So let me actually work you through a good example of where that happened, which is the Tea Party. The Tea Party, what? The inception of the Tea Party, my understanding, is funded by the Koch brothers, you know, these very wealthy Republican donors. And a lot of the early Tea Party protests had like, I know 20, 40, 50 people dressed in kind of like Revolutionary War garb.

But Fox News, you know, conservative media amplified that and the movement grew. Right. So with, yes, the money that the Cokes and other right wing wealthy people threw into it, it what served as the catalyst. But ultimately a lot of people were upset with president at that time. This was 20 2009, 2010, and that movement grew. But if those people had never. You’re saying the Koch, the Koch family funded these pro, these rallies first? Well, it’s come out that they funded the Tea Party. I can’t say specifically what they did or did not fund, but the Koch brothers have been identified.

There’s articles by Time magazine and the Guardian that have kind of said, link the, the Cokes to the Tea Party. I mean, the Tea Party is a broad movement, right? But yeah, you’re basically talking about maga. Well, the Tea Party was the, is essentially the predecessor to maga. Okay, so do you, do you only supply for Democrats and liberal protests or, or. Absolutely not. Okay, so you’ll, you’ll also do conservative too. So if I was running a republic, if I was going to run for office as a Republican, I called you and said, hey, Adam, I need some people over here.

Am I allowed to do that? Well, first of all, yes, you are. But one misconception is that we work more for candidates. We actually work mostly on issues, right? So we’ll work on conservative issues. So let’s just say, for example, there’s some absurd tax increase being, being contemplated, a minimum wage increase, or some sort of burdensome regulations that would hurt small businesses, right? Those are things that conservatives care about. We’ve worked on all of those types of issues. Right? So we will gladly take, we will gladly work with conservatives. And we do, for the reason that I’ve outlined is conservatives in many cases have a huge need for our services because the, the left is better at turning people out than the right.

Because a lot of people on the left, you know, if you’re a hippie with a trust fund, you can go to as many rallies as you want, whereas if you’re working two jobs as a working class person or a conservative kind of middle class person with a family, it’s a lot more challenging. So I like to say we’re often the voice of the silent majority. In that case, we, we give voice to silent majority. So do you put ads like on Craigslist? Like how do you get people to come on board to do like a. Crowds on demand? Like, do you put ads out and say, hey, I mean, because I’ve heard of things like crisis actors and things like that.

Is that all part of this? Well, so we don’t affiliate ourselves with anything like, like crisis actors, right? So crisis actors being people who kind of pretend to be engaged in some sort of tragedy or, I mean, that, that would be illegal, right? So we don’t engage in, so it’s, it’s very important to clarify for your audience and anyone else that we don’t engage in illegal activity. Our sole domain is legal First Amendment. Right. Sanctioned protests. Right. So that means we’re peaceful, we’re law abiding, we do not block roads, we don’t engage in any form of vandalism.

Right. So I’m passionate about the First Amendment, right? And we’re lucky enough to live in this great country where the First Amendment actually gives us all the right to speak out peacefully. So there is absolutely no excuse for anyone to engage in violence. Do you do background checks on these people? I mean, do you have to do a criminal background check? Well, it depends on the particular cause and the particular demands of the client. What we do do is our primary way of vetting people is based on, is it’s. Think of it as a reverse jury questionnaire.

If you’re on a jury, you. We want to make sure that you’re not biased, right? I actually want to make sure you are biased in favor of the issue. Right. So what we do is kind of a reverse jury questionnaire. We have people who will kind of call and ask questions and make sure that people are, are on board. In regards to how we find the people, there are a couple of ways, right. Number one is we’ve been in business 13 years, so I probably get, you know, crowds on Demand, gets, say, 200, 300 emails per day with people interested in participating in our events.

And they say, oh, I’m a conservative and I live in Mississippi. I’m a, you know, environmentalist, and I live in Portland. Right. Whatever the case may be. But a lot of times we will kind of proactively reach out to people, right? So in the example that I gave you about the environmentalist group, we would reach out to local environmentalists and say, hey, do you want to participate in this protest? And we’ll compensate you. Right? These environmentalists might not otherwise have gone out to this particular environment event, but we facilitate their participation. So do you, like, provide to, like, because, like, when I went to a Trump rally, man, I was just like, amazed.

And I went there to, just to. For the shock of it. And obviously I’m a Trump supporter. But I, I remember looking around going, this is absolutely insane. How many people are here? Like, I, I would have guessed 40, 50,000. I mean, insane. And then there was a little group to the side that was protesting. You would have been funding them, right? Well, and I mean, commenting on specific events, we would, we would gladly do a First Amendment sanctioned, peaceful protest to raise awareness about, you know, about an issue. So now, of course, we don’t get into commenting on the specific customers that we take, because that was my next question I was going to ask you.

Do you have to provide crowds for like, Kamala or AOC or Bernie? Well, because I would imagine they need them. And I’LL put it this way. So one of the, one of the things is that one of the, part of why we don’t comment on our engagements is because, and this is true, a lot of this has been true, very much so in the Biden administration with our conservative customers as well, is because I’m a big opponent of cancel culture. I assume you are too right. I believe. And even, and I’m an opponent whether it comes from the left or from the right.

So the left would, I would have so many conservative clients in the Biden administration, you know, very wealthy people tell me, you know, I want to fund this campaign or we want to fund that campaign, but if it’s ever linked to me, I’m going to get booted from a board of directors, I’m going to get, you know, socially ostracized, etc. Etc. Because essentially of the cancel culture mobs. And now you’re starting to see it all the left, where you have this kind of where I, I think there is right wing cancel culture. Maybe you disagree, but I think maybe you agree with.

Well, I’m watching both sides here. You know, I, like I said, when the pendulum goes really far left, it’s probably going to go really far right. So I’m watching how we do this here. So. And I actually have an analogy for you that you might appreciate as an athlete. The way that I look at it as, as a liberal is, you know, have you ever seen those football players do those sled drills where they’re pushing the sled? Yeah, right. And there’s. Yeah, right, exactly. I bet you did. And there’s a big guy standing on the sled.

Right. Holding onto the pads while they get pushed back. Exactly. So the liberals are trying to push the sled, move society forward. Traditional conservatives are the ones standing on the sled, slowing it down and saying, wait, let’s think carefully. And that’s not a bad thing. That’s actually an important role. It’s saying, let’s think carefully about what we’re doing. Right. So what happened though, over the past several years is there was no one standing on the sled. So liberalism left ism has run amok. Right. With the, the gender transitions. Right. I believe it was, it was intercepted and infiltrated and taken over by the globalist agenda, in my opinion.

And that’s right. This is all I radicalized the Democratic Party and it has been eating itself from the inside, thus causing conservatives. I guess my question, my take is, is slightly different, which is the conservatives were too intimidated. So during the blm, I think they were just asleep. They were just asleep at the wheel. And that’s where you get sort of a more reactionary hard right movement like the Trumpism maga, which is basically, we’re going to take the sled and we’re going to run you over with it. Well, what Trump did was expose and ignite what he did.

He came on the scene and goes, hey, look at this. And everyone watching goes, yeah, you’re right. You know, this is crazy. So all he did to me was he was the key figure in exposing an agenda, right? And really, I feel like the liberals have no one else to blame but themselves, but it was through subversion, taken over by a globalist Marxist communist agenda by subversion. And they used liberalism to do it. And that’s, that’s what they’re doing now. I mean, it’s just, and unfortunately, we’re in this, this and what’s happening now, we’re watching this massive paradigm shift, right? We’re watching this, this falling of the old guard in this new.

I think, to be honest with you, I, I don’t see, I see once, and I’m just getting my little piece here, that’s it. And, but once this starts to go at a faster pace and the dominoes start to fall, I think you’re going to see Russiagate blast wide open. 2020 blast wide open with Biden. That’s all gonna get walked back. And then there’s gonna be executive executive order signed that will go to paper ballots. I think, I think the Democrat, Democrat party could be done. I don’t know if you agree with me. I’m sure you don’t, I don’t necessarily agree with, with a number of those things, but I, I, but I do think one area where I do agree with you is that there should be the voter ideas, right? Most, I think it’s like 75% of, of Americans want you to show up with an ID to vote.

You need an id. So you don’t, you don’t, you’re not, you don’t believe illegal immigrants should be voting? Absolutely not. Okay. Boom. Number one, I don’t think illegal immigrants should be voting. And number two, any illegal immigrant who has committed a crime other than the act of coming here illegally, even if it’s a dui, must be deported immediately. So what if, you know, these, these we, you know, I’m betting I’m hedging my bets that these La Raza protests are going start. What if they contest contact you and say, hey, we need A crowd to start these protests for illegal immigrants to stay in America, which they’re just going to be a perfect target for La Migra.

But I’m just saying, like, you know what, what would, would they contact you and say, hey, we need a crowd here for La Raza. We need, we need protest for La Raza. And I’ll put it this way, though, where, where I, where I would agree with the more left wing groups is on the need for due process. Like, I was on a, a podcast the other day and the host asked me, do you support due process for illegal immigrants? And I said, yes. That’s the only way we know they’re illegal immigrants. Right? I mean, you’re Hispanic, right? If you were pulled over, right? You don’t want to just have them throw you in a prison in Louisiana and then put you on a plane in El Salvador.

You’re like, no, no, no. My name is Nino Rodriguez. I host a podcast. Right. Well, I think, I think also, though, you got to think about like, your. The tattoos are a dead giveaway. The MS.13 gang members and stuff like that. I know a lot of them here. I’ve been processed so. Well, I mean, if you look at them and you go, okay, this guy’s not, you know, but me, I have proper documentation. I show my id, I show my license. No, I understand that, you know, to my address, but if you can’t track these people, I would say, you know, well, adios, amigo.

I think it’s due process. So. So yes, I think if you have MS.13 tattoos, that is one piece of evidence. Don’t get me wrong, I, I 100% agree with that. What I’m saying is that that has to be examined in some sort of proceeding with a judge, and there has to be some. Now, I agree that the system has been totally manipulated by asylum seekers, but there has to be some sort of proceeding with a judge where the government says, well, here’s the evidence that we have. They’re illegal. Here’s the evidence that we have that they’re in a gang or whatever, right? And then the other, the, the defendant, right, the migrant, or potentially the non migrant can say, here’s my evidence that I am here legally.

Right? And the problem is that that could be handled right then and there when they pull him over and he has his ID on him. You know what I mean? You think that should be done before a judge? I guess. Like, my opinion is that I think it’s a simple procedure. I think you can figure out if someone’s from here or not especially, you know, I mean, I live in El Paso, okay? So I, I know what’s coming here and what. And I know, I mean, you’re a smart guy, of course. I’m just telling you that I think it’s pretty easy to figure out, you know, And I think I.

But, but I think that what, what changes us from kind of a more third world country is that you’re. You might have a hunch, and I totally agree. You’re a smart guy. You’re probably right. 8 out of 10 times, 9 out of 10 times, I mean, Ben Franklin had a saying that it is better for 100 men to go free than one guilty men to go free than one innocent man to be in jail. Right. So the premise of the American justice system. So I completely agree. And what you’ve identified is definitely strikes me as probable cause to pull someone over and examine, and then.

Well, I’m not about checkpoints. I’m not going to be. As an American citizen, I don’t want my rights infringed on. So I don’t want to be sitting in a line of a checkpoint where they’re checking people’s documentation. This isn’t Germany. Correct. So, yeah, I agree with you on that. So that. That is where we agree. But let’s go back to the protest just for a second, because I don’t want. So what happens in, in if, if. In these protests, in the protests in which you supply the crowds, what, what happens if they turn violent? Like, who’s liable for that? Do you have an insurance policy? Is there, is there security? Like, I don’t understand how that works.

Number one, nino, is we try to avoid putting our people in things that we think are going to escalate in that way. Now, of course, as I said, our people are only there for peaceful purposes. But. But I would generally avoid sending people into a situation that kind of has the potential of having. Okay, you have some peaceful people, but you have some violent people. Now, as a First Amendment advocate, my belief is everyone should be judged only on their own actions. So if you go to a protest, whether it’s January 6th or BLM, and there’s violence that occurs, unless it was you who did the violence, you are not responsible for the violence.

You are responsible for what you do. But with all of that said, it’s important for me, because I want to create a good environment for anyone who participates in our events to basically make sure that we’re not kind of putting people in, like, a situation that would Be extremely tense. So. So sometimes I’ll reject. I. Well, sometimes I’ll do one of two things. I will either reject a client or what I will do is put a stipulation. Because you mentioned security, I will mention, hey, we can do this, but we need to hire 1020 Security to essentially stand between our protesters and kind of potentially.

Are you worried, though? Are you worried? It’s kind of like what happened with J6 and this could be a completely different podcast, but are you worried about like three letter agencies kind of immersing themselves in a movement and creating some kind of problem agitators that could. So you’re saying someone who would infiltrate a piece of. Yes, absolutely. And change the. And change the trajectory of that movement because they do that. Well, actually, that’s one benefit. You’re actually kind of making a good point in terms of using our service. Because what we do is because we compensate people and we create a more controlled environment where that is less likely to occur.

Right. And by the way, I have a huge. Would you get in trouble for it if it happened? I’m just. Well, no. I mean, first of all, because every instruction we give orally written, any kind of instruction we give ever is peaceful, law abiding. Right? Peaceful law abiding. And anyone who suggests, even suggests anything else would be immediately dismissed from our group. So if we did have someone, for whatever reason, whether it’s what you suggest, or more likely just a general agitator in our crowd who is saying, oh, no, we should, you know, throw them all top cocktails like, like a Ray Epps that was at the J6, remember, he was saying, let’s go storm it.

Let’s go. And obviously immediately disassociate that person and ask them to leave our crowd. And by the way, though, Nino, where I 100 agree with you is I have a huge objection with this idea of entrapment by those, the agencies that you said. And this is really a bipartisan issue because under the Bush administration, they did this to Muslims, right? They would go and take ordinary Muslims who might kind of be upset with the war in Iraq or something, and then they would, they would actually push them and radicalize them. Many of these people are kind of.

That they would radicalize or grown to being kind of manipulated, and then they would make it as if they. They busted some huge case. So I have a huge problem when they did it to Muslims under Bush administration. I have a huge problem when they did it to conservatives under the Biden administration. And I hope the Trump administration And the current director of the FBI will once and for all put an end to entrapment and not simply use it against the left. The left, because remember J. Edgar Hoover, right, used it against the left. Right. They used, they, they, they used it to infiltrate the civil rights movement.

So these entrapment tactics has, have been weaponized both by the right and the left. And as an advocate for freedom, I think that it is wholly unacceptable. Yeah. And I absolutely agree with that. So you know what I see with the, with the Trump administration, you may disagree with me on this, with the Trump operation, by the way, but with Trump is that it was, it looks more to me like an organic movement. I don’t know how it originally started, but at least now it’s on fire, right? Like there’s thousands and hundreds and thousands of people that go to these things.

And it seems to me like right now they’re tr. With aoc, Bernie and different ones. They’re trying to manufacture this, this crowd. They’re trying to get people to just spark something, you know, and, and, and I remember when I was boxing in Oscar De La Hoya, nobody knows this, but I was talking to one of the, the matchmakers and they said, you know, Oscar wasn’t the beginning of Oscar De La Hoya was manufactured. And I was like, what do you mean? Because I remember women loved them. Right? Well, they had groups of women that would go to these fights or his press conferences, throw their panties at him.

They were into a sex symbol. Yeah, yeah. And they made him into a sex symbol. Correct. And I’m not saying he wasn’t a bad, he was a very good looking guy. I’m just saying, like, that’s how they started this. So I think the Democrats need a rock star. And I, and I don’t know if you can manufacture one, especially not one like aoc. I’m just saying, like, I don’t think, I don’t think AOC is it. I mean, AOC has a lot of things that are probably, would, would really upset probably 70% of the country. And, and of course, her movement also falls flat when they’re flying on private jets.

I mean, it’s the definition of an oligarchy, right? Bernie Sanders. And this is, this is not even including his carpooling with AOC on her private jet. But Bernie has spent about 250,000 in the first quarter of this, this year on private jets alone. Right. Not even including five star hotels or whatever. Right. So that’s about $1 million a year. Right? What my, my question To Bernie is what percent of Americans spend over a million a year on private jets? Is it 1%? Probably not. Is it 0.1%? Probably not. It’s probably the 1% of the 1%. So you’re in agreement with me that the Democrats need a complete facelift.

They need someone new out there. I actually have an. I actually think I know who the person should be. Come on, say how much of. I think it should be Jon Stewart. Wait, wait, the. The host? Comedian? Yeah. I actually think. Listen to him talk. He is a direct communicator. He is smart, he is compassionate. He effectively articulates liberal values while being a complete patriot. I mean, the guy stood up for nine, 11 first responders. He went to bat for them, Right? He went to bat for war veterans who were hurt by these burn pits that they had in Iraq and Afghanistan with.

So he has stood up for our. The. For veterans. He’s. He’s liberal, but he’s not pro cancel culture. There was a moment actually in 2021, I want to say, where he went on Stephen Colbert, and Stephen Colbert is just awful, right? And he was talking about the route and saying, hey, it is in Wuhan. It’s this in Wuhan. And Stephen Colbert was, was basically like implied that he was working for the Republicans. And Jon Stewart was like, no, I’m. I’m speaking the truth. So he’s called out his own party a lot. He is direct. He has a genuineness to him.

I actually think he would be a really good candidate, frankly. Don Stewart. Wait a minute. The guy on Grandma’s Boy, the movie Grandma’s Boy, was he in that? Yes, I think. Is that him? Yeah, I don’t know. I think he’s saying like, yes, I think that’s. He’s a funny actor. I like him. It’s a crazy idea. But I actually think he’s a, he’s a very direct communicator. And, you know, he has friends on the right. I mean, he’s friends with Bill O’Reilly. You know, he’s like, he has, I mean, he has good dialogue with people on the other side.

I don’t know. I think he, I think he’d be a formidable candidates. I’ll keep an eye on him. I’ll keep an eye on him. I mean, I don’t think he has any interest, but that’s honestly part of what makes him a good candidate. I think it has to be like, oh, you’re right that he wasn’t in Grandma’s Boy. You’re right, that Wasn’t him. He’s got to be, it’s got to be someone who’s drafted. But, but AOC is too woke, too hypocritical. Yeah, no, it’s just not gonna happen. So let me ask you these things. Okay? So what protests are building fire right now? Which ones are starting to take off? I know the hands off protests are gaining traction.

Sure. But I mean, isn’t, wouldn’t everyone be for smaller government? I mean, that’s why I think hands off is a great slogan because it’s kind of like, hey, get your hands off my programs. What my benefits. So it’s actually a, it’s actually the smartest of the protests yet. I mean, the Democrats are often, they’re sort of their worst enemy because, but all they’re doing is unveiling the fraudulent money laundering and wasteful spending, like condoms in this country and sex change surgeries in that country. I mean, it’s just getting ridiculous. Well, I mean, and not all of what they cite is necessarily accurate.

And I also think that a lot of what they cut is, are important programs. I mean, when you’re talking about the programs that are trying to fight disease at their inception in the places that disease starts, Third world countries in Africa. Right. It’s going to cost a lot more to fight them at home than a lot of those USAID programs. A lot of these are great investments. By the way, USAID is a great counter to China’s influence in Africa. You don’t like Elon Musk or Doge? I won’t say that. I actually wouldn’t say that because I think it’s important to have responsibility in how we spend it.

But I think that he, he, there’s a, we’re a multi trillion dollar government. There’s gonna be silly things that are spent, but there’s a lot of what he’s, But I think overall the cuts are gonna be more damaging than the overall cost savings. Right. So I think he’s being pennywise pound foolish with what he’s doing. That’s not to say that I think that I, but I will say that I also think the hit job against Tesla is bad. So I, I, I’m a moderate. Like, I’ll, I’ll, I call out Elon because I think he’s cutting a lot of programs that are gonna really bite us in the butt later on when we don’t have a counter to China in Africa, when we need to be fighting China for the rare earth minerals, when we don’t we have diseases that are emerging all across the world, right? When we have people across the world whose attitude toward America is going down and down and down.

Tourism to America, which is American jobs, has gone down 20%. Right? These are American jobs that are being hurt by Musk and Trump’s attitude. I don’t think it’s possible, I don’t think we can ignore those things. But what I will say is I do think there’s a hit job against Musk with the Tesla protests. I think that is an orchestrated protest by. And that’s not coming from you? No, no. And I actually called it out and a lot of people have been asking me, and there’s more evidence coming out every day that certain short sellers of Tesla could be behind these, these actions.

And I just want to be very clear that I’m not naming any individual in particular or any hedge fund in particular, but what I will say is that these guys historically have lost billions and billions betting against Tesla. Right? They’ve been shorting Tesla stock. Right. That means they’re, they’re betting for. They make money when the stock goes down. So overall, over the last 15 years, the stock has skyrocketed. I mean, it’s been a roller coaster. There have been dips, but these people are overall have lost a lot of money shorting the stock. Now they see an opportunity with Elon Musk’s involvement with the Trump administration to say, okay, these guys are apolitical.

They’re just out to make a buck. Right. Or billions of bucks. Right? So if you have billions of dollars on the line, why wouldn’t you put tens of millions of dollars into building this Tesla boycott movement and the broader protest movement? So, so, so the people that reach out to you are they like non governmental agencies, organizations that reach out to you and they say, hey, we need this movement. We’ll pay you this much if you get this many people. Sure, yeah, absolutely. I mean, so what if, what if, what if Trump, as this progresses, as this keeps going in this trajectory, starts labeling some of these NG, you know, NGAs or NGOs as terrorist organization.

You could be in trouble for that. Well, we wouldn’t work with any organization that does those things, number one. And we would not work with any banned group or any kind of shady entity. What I will say is that, that we should be careful about labeling. I mean, different organizations could be. There has to be evidence for these things. Right? So it is legal to fund protests in this country, right? It is legal to protest and is legal to be paid to protest. And it is legal to fund movements. What if it’s from China? What if it’s from the cartels, which is now a terrorist organization? How would you know, not accept those.

We would not accept. How, how, how would you do the vetting for that? Well, but so, so I mean by that kind of example, and it’s a good example, Nino, because the way that I look at funding it is like a system of Russian dolls. The Russian dolls, like if you don’t know what Russian dolls are, it’s like little dolls that fold into bigger dolls. Right? Right. So, so basically at the center, let’s just say, is a billionaire. And I’m not going to say left wing or right wing, but there’s a billionaire behind it. And by the way, a lot of people who contact us are individuals, wealthy individuals or wealthy or corporations that have an incentive to essentially block a policy and whatever.

It’s no different from lobbying or hiring a lawyer. But what I’ll say is there’s little dolls into bigger dolls. So what these guys are kind of an expert at doing is plausible deniability. So let’s just say. I’m just going to pause it that you’re doing something illegal. Right. So again, this is not something we would be engaged in. But if you’re, you might find this interesting. So if you’re a billionaire trying to fund something illegal, you have, you’re a billionaire, you have a foundation. Right. The foundation funds 501C4s. The 501C4s, advocacy groups, you know, give money to corporations or, you know, as contracts.

The corporations pay people. The pe. You know, the people pay some academic group and the academic group pays some. Someone to fund a, you know, throw a Molotov cocktail. Right. That’s several layers between this person. Right. And there’s never going to be evidence that a billionaire ordered the illegal activity. Why? Because they’re smart. They’re going to say, I want to fund something against X. Right. And their people are going to take it from there. Right. It’s kind of like the old Henry vii, would someone rid me of this meddlesome priest? Right. Or like a matt. You know, it’s kind of an old saying of kind of plausible deniability of saying let’s, let’s kind of keep that distance.

So it’s very hard to do. But I do caution. I know you said something about labeling kind of advocacy groups or nos as a domestic terrorist organization. I caution against doing something that you wouldn’t want a liberal leader doing to your people. Right. Like what I Would not what I would want. Because what if AOC does become the president and she then labels the NRA as a terrorist organization or the Gun Owners of America as a terrorist organization. Right. Well, what do you think? What do you think about like blm? I mean they were looting and writing? I mean, did you provide crowds for them? Well, I actually have a funny story about blm.

Okay, Is about nine years ago, ten years ago, the, the BLM people, just about what, at the founding of BLM came to me and asked me for advice on building a movement. Some of the people that you might recognize and I actually gave them, told them to go in a totally different direction. I said, this could be the chance to create the next civil rights movement around black economic inclusion, right? I said, why are black neighbor talk about black fatherhood, talk about crime in black neighborhoods, talk about the lack of ownership in the black community, that black people are less likely to own the businesses in their neighborhood than any other group.

If you stressed those things along with of course, responsible law enforcement, but made it a broader push of building wealth in the black community not at the expense of anyone else, but actually for the benefit of all society, right? You could be the next Martin Luther King. That’s what I told them. And I said, if you want to build that movement, I will help you with anything you need because I think that’s such an important thing. But the direction it went was like off the rails. And they, they went a totally different direction. And, and we, we never, we never spoke.

But see, but when you look at the BLM movement, what do you see? White people, right? Well, that’s the thing, that’s why I’m wondering like how that’s not organic, that’s, that has to be manufactured. They would have to call somebody and be like, hey, you need more people out of here showing up. Well, Nino, let me, let me put it to you this way. I mean, and I agree generally with what you’re saying about, I mean BLM has, has just really done such a bad job for the black community because this, like I said, they could have used this movement to build black wealth, build black communities, build black neighborhoods.

And, and the other thing I told them, I just want to, just to finish that story is I said you should make it so that black voters are like Cuban American voters used to be in South Florida, the deciding votes. We don’t, we’re not loyal to Democrats, we’re not loyal to Republicans. You better frickin earn our votes, right? If Republicans earn our votes, great. If Democrats earn our votes. Great. That’s how the most powerful groups in America have gained power, is by saying, we’re a swing vote. You help us, we’re with you. You don’t help us, we’re with the other side.

Now, let me answer the other question about blm, which is that it actually goes to the idea of pay paid protesting takes multiple forms is. So what we do is we compensate people who wouldn’t otherwise be able to attend with for supporting cause they agree with. But there are a lot of other reasons people attend protests. I mean, like a lot of the, you know, real housewives who attended the BLM rallies, I mean, they might not have gotten direct cash compensation, but they were there to post it on Instagram for their followers, Right? They were there to say, I’m woke.

I mean, you think some Orange county housewife knows anything about institutional racism? They don’t know. Of course not. They just want to be a part of something. Right, right. They have no idea. They have no idea. Right. So similarly, like you look at Woodstock, you know, anti Vietnam War protests. I mean, half those people were there to get laid and smoke pot. Right. I can understand that. I. Right. So nothing wrong with that. But, you know, even MAGA rallies, right? You talked about the huge groups there. They’re kind of like a fair. It’s like going to a fair.

It’s like, it’s. It’s a. Yeah, but what I noticed about MAGA rallies, and I will say this, everyone, a lot of people there are praying. They’re holding hands, they’re praying, they’re singing the national anthem. They’re very patriotic, you know, and that. You got to give him credit on that, man. It’s unbelievable to watch. And it moves you. It moves someone that’s there for the first time. They’re like, man, this is, this is not what I thought it was going to be. It’s not racist. It’s not. You know what I mean? Everyone’s holding hands and hugging, and it’s a great movement.

Trump supporters as racist is such a big mistake on the part of the left. I mean, when he has 50% of the Hispanic vote, like 40% of the Arab American vote is just. I think that’s one of the dumbest talking points possible, is to try to label supporters of Trump as race. Can you walk me through the process of, like, creating a protest? Because, like, do you call the media? Are you like, okay, we’re going to be here if you guys want to show up. We’re going to be protesting against the court building, we’re going to be at the courthouse, we’re going to be protesting.

Do you call the media and tell me? You’d have to give them a heads up. Right. I mean, so a lot of times what we’ll do is actually we’ll create. It depends on the scope of each project because each scope is different. But a lot of times we’ll incorporate like a 501c4 advocacy group, will have like a leader of that advocacy group. So we will actually create something from the ground up. And then that group will essentially either hire a publicist or will handle deal with the media themselves. Right. So it won’t be me calling the media, it’ll be one of the group leaders calling the media.

Right. And in some cases we’re just hired to provide the people, in which case the client or whatever the advocacy group is will handle all of that. And we just provide essentially the people and the signs and the banners and the flyers and all of that. So what is like, if you don’t mind me asking, your business part of this? And I’m not trying to be too nosy, but I’m just very curious. I came from a boxing background and I dealt with promoters, club promoters, I mean, everything, advertisers, sponsors, the whole thing. I mean, do you.

Is it at that level or is it just like you get paid to deliver the crowd and it stops or the buck stops there? No, it really, it doesn’t stop. Sponsors. I mean, what. So, so it really depends. So it again, it depends on each particular engagement. In some engagements we are just paid, we’re providing the people, that’s it. The client handles everything else. But in a lot of cases, we’ve had multi year engagements on a lot of subjects where someone will come to us, the company will come to us and say we need to build a movement to oppose this policy or support that policy.

And we’re leaving it to you, Adam Crowds on man, the expert to build this. And here’s our kind of budget for to do this. Build us that movement. And we just, we run with it. We create advocacy group, we run ads, we do protests, we media, we, we run it from the ground up. So it really, it really depends on the scope of what the client has in mind. All right. And before we close out here. And by the way, dude, this has been a stellar podcast. I love talking to you, man. You’re welcome on my show whenever you want to come on.

Can you give us my audience kind of like a pulse on like what protests to Come. Like, what should we get ready for? Well, I think. I think one of the things that. That you’re gonna see more of is I think the Tesla thing is not going to die out, because, like I said. But that’s not. That’s not a. That’s a. That’s a violence. That’s. That’s terrible. And. And that’s the part that most concerns me as a Tesla owner is I. I don’t like that. I think. But I think that’s going to continue. And the reason is because there’s so much money behind that.

I think that’s going to continue. I think you’re going to have some kind of Marxist movements like the aoc, Bernie Sanders. And riding on a private jet is typical of a Marxist. Right? Because Marxists like the comforts of. Of the Good Life. I think you’re going to see a lot more of that with, of course, paid crowd members in the audience. I mean, Marx is like, do you like the Good Life? I mean, you’re making money. You’re not a Marxist. I’m not a Marxist, No. I’m saying Marxists like the good. Like, they shouldn’t. I mean, that’s.

It’s like hypocritical. It’s like a televangelist. You know, it’s like. Like I always like to say, for every socialist, there’s a private jet. For every. For every televangelist, there’s a pool boy banging his wife while he watches in the corner. So, you know, hypocrisy is. Is. Is there on both sides, to be sure. You know, And I love calling out hypocrisy. I mean, I’m sure I’ve done things that are hypocritical, too. So I’m not trying to put myself. Sometimes I consider myself a walking contradiction. I don’t know. Sure. But I love it. Protest. But my own.

My kind of lesson to. To your amazing audiences that, you know, generally, if you want to know who’s behind something, you follow the money. But that if there’s anything that’s violent or disruptive or not lawful, you know, it’s not us, because what we do. The reason. Part of why I go on these po. I’ve been going on these podcasts is to set the record straight with that. What we do is legal, peaceful. And what we’re trying to do is convince people and get people to think about issues and persuade and advocate for our customers not to do anything untoward or subversive for this country.

Because I love this country. And I love the First Amendment more than probably anyone else other than podcasters like you. Well, Adam, I appreciate you, man. I. I really appreciate. Where do people find you? Where can they look you up? Sure. Well, what if we need a crowd? Where do we go? Yeah, so. Www.crowdson demand.com Crowdson demand.com. you can also follow me on Twitter x@CEO Adam Swart. That’s Adam Sw a RT. So feel free to follow me for my thoughts on. On social media or. Or visit our website and engage further. All right, Adam, stay with me just for one second.

Thank you for joining me. My pleasure.
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