➡ The Democrats lost votes because they didn’t inspire people enough to vote and didn’t effectively use online platforms for campaigning. They underestimated the power of online media and podcasts, and were outperformed by Republicans who did. The Democrats also failed to address key issues like inflation and immigration, focusing instead on criticizing Donald Trump. This led to a lack of confidence in their campaign and a significant loss in votes.

Was Van Jones pouting on election day enough? I recently seen him and Andrew Yang. Shout out to Andrew Yang. I actually was at an Andrew Yang event before when he was running for president of the United States of America. And prior to him actually losing, I think he lost to Eric Adams over there in New York. But Van Jones and Eric Adams pulled up to CNN and they wanted to give their take on why Kamala Harris lost the election. Take a look. All right, everyone’s here with me. Lulu Garcia-Nabarro, can I start with you? I know you just spoke to the former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for your podcast, breaking her silence on what happened here.

She was, of course, instrumental in pushing by to step aside. Don’t be mean to me. Let’s be clear about that. So what’s she saying now? Well, without giving too much away, she talked about the fact that this was a heartbreaking loss. She used that word. She also said that she has spoken to the vice president and that it was a very emotional conversation, that they’re friends, and that that conversation was difficult for both of them. We had a very wide ranging and lengthy conversation about what happened, how she sees the path forward, and what her own plans are, and that will come out soon.

But it is honestly a very, very difficult moment for the former Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. Absolutely. Van, so Nancy Pelosi using the word heartburn. Let me tell you about Nancy Pelosi. Nancy was wrong. Nancy was wrong. Nancy said that Biden needed to get out of the race because the Democrats was going to lose down ballot. Guess what? The Democrats was going to lose down ballot the whole time. So then you basically snaked out Biden, but we know that Nancy’s portfolio is probably exploding. So she ain’t tripping about it because anybody that ever want to get rich, all you got to do is follow Nancy Pelosi in the stock market.

She always beat the S&P 500. Breaking in her conversation with Lulu. Carville talking about a dark tunnel. Blame is starting. And there needs to be discussion among Democrats. So- Well, look, we spent a billion dollars in elected Donald Trump. That’s not a blame game. That’s called accountability. And the people at the top of the campaign, the top of the party, have a lot of people pissed off at them because there were people who had suggestions. There were people who were saying, why are we doing this, why are we doing this? It was like, hey, we’ve got it.

We’ve got it. We’ve got it. We’ve got this special magical computer formulation. We’ve tested every ad, shut up and sit down and go back to work. And so people say, okay, well, I guess you’re right. And then we got clobbered, clocked, knocked down, beat up, drugged down. And so people are mad and they should be mad. And the people at the top of that have to listen. There is a grassroots rebellion happening in this party. And it’s coming to knock on the door. The people who were in charge of the party. That’s not blame game. That’s accountability.

Ain’t that crazy. First of all, Van Jones has finally said something that’s true for the first time in his life without crying. But the second thing is there’s a grassroots rebellion. That sounds extreme. I know I can’t be the only person that’s hearing this, that I know that the Democratic party has always been a party of divisiveness. But a grassroots rebellion? Those are words that they usually associate with the right. A grassroots rebellion? Oh, no. Oh, no. Not a grassroots rebellion. But he was right about one thing. They got clobbered and they spent a billion dollars promoting Donald Trump to do it.

One of the reasons that they got clobbered is A, they didn’t really have anything to stand on. And so what they did was they basically spent a billion dollars promoting Donald Trump. Man, look, if I was one of the women AKA’s for Kamala Harris, if I was any of them white women, black women for Kamala Harris, I would be pissed that my money went over to Beyonce and she go over there back in her mansion. That my money went over there to Glorilla and Meg Thee Stallion and Ursher Baby. I would be pissed that they sat there and got every single celebrity endorsement and they got beat down because nobody cares about twerking at a rally in Atlanta.

Nobody cares about twerking at a rally in Atlanta. They got destroyed and they spent a billion dollars doing it. And guess what? I’m not mad at them. You know why I’m not mad at them? You know why I’m not mad at them, Van? Let me tell you why I’m not mad at them. Because anybody that’s been following me for a period of time over the last year or so, let’s just say year or so, know that they spent a quite amount of money on YouTube ads. Boy, I never had so many ads running on the Anton Daniels channel and the Millionaire Morning Show and after hours about why you should vote for Kamala Harris president and they spent all of your money on my ads.

And YouTube said, here’s your check, big dog. Kamala Harris is like to pay you in order to promote Donald Trump. And every single message they did, they promoted Donald Trump. They thought that they was killing his name, but the more that they kept him in an algorithm. And I told y’all what the social media strategy was. I never seen so many Kamala Harris ads in my life. In my life. Boy, I will tell you, I made so much mother effing money off of Kamala Harris. It’s insane. Thank you, liberals. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

You have no clue the amount of money that I made from you guys. It is absolutely, positively insane. The amount of money I made from liberals. You have no clue the amount of money that all of those billions of dollars and get women to us, it went to us. Y’all went over there to promote the Donald, promote down. Y’all couldn’t even say a sentence without saying Donald Trump. Couldn’t say a sentence without saying Donald Trump. If I showed you how much money that I made from Kamala Harris, you would be like, these people are fools.

All y’all did was gave it to conservative pundits. I mean, and you know, I know you were for a billion dollars. A billion dollars? And I believe they technically, you know, blew a few hundred million of that in the recent weeks, Andrew Yang, and now ended up technically, maybe in debt, a little bit. They did door knocking, they did traditional ads, but you heard Van saying they weren’t listening to other ideas that people maybe like Van had. For instance, there should be accountability and Joe Biden should not have run for a second term.

There should have been a competitive primary. I wish I would listen, if it was me, I wish we could do the election all the way up through January. I said, good God, these people are stupid. In January, he should have dropped down January and not July. And by the way, JB Pritzker, Gavin Newsom, they should have challenged him in January. We all know that they had campaigns in waiting, but instead everyone said, oh, Joe’s going to be fine. Joe’s going to be fine. He has a disastrous debate against Donald Trump, then he drops out in July, and then everything is under the gone and in hurry up mode.

The party lost a crucial period where they could have introduced the next generation of leaders to the American people, vetted and chosen a ticket that could have taken the fight to Donald Trump instead of Joe Biden fumbling the ball to Kamala down the stretch. Don’t blame Joe. Don’t blame Joe. And Lulu, to this whole conversation, is there any sense from people you’re talking to of what role they think it played, that there was a perception certainly among some voters, that at least Kamala Harris had not been honest with voters about Joe Biden’s true state.

I mean, this kept coming up again and again. Now people are trying to figure out, well, what happened? Is that something you hear? I mean, I think that one of the things that happened during this election is that when that disastrous debate with Joe Biden happened, I think there was a break in trust with the Democratic Party and the electorate. There was a feeling that there wasn’t actually honesty about the condition of the president and that people had been perhaps shielding him from the voters. I mean, if you think about the fact that he really hadn’t been sitting down for interviews, he hadn’t been giving extended press conferences.

And so I think that there are still questions about what exactly happened there and who knew what and when they knew it. Right. I mean, that is the real question. I mean, Van, I had done an interview with him a few weeks before that. He was fine in that capacity. But you would imagine someone around him all the time, as many were, would have had a much different, perhaps, view. But it all came down to many, many things. But when you look at the actual votes, it wasn’t as if Trump suddenly surged in so many things.

It’s that Democrats did worse. Monmouth went through just the blue states. Trump got an extra 280,000 votes this time versus last time. So he improved. But this is not the story. Look at this full screen. Harris lost $3 million. That’s called election interference. That’s what that’s called. It’s called election interference. And 339,404 votes. That’s what stands out there. Well, Bakari Sellers said over and over again, it’s either Kamala Harris or Donald Trump or the couch. And Bakari was always worried about the couch. People just not feeling inspired enough to go out and vote. He wasn’t worried that people were going to not vote for Kamala and go vote for Trump.

He was afraid they weren’t going to vote at all. And here’s how we got beat. We got beat because the Republicans and conservatives built a different media system that had to do with online, had to do with podcasts, had to do with streaming platforms. It’s true. And they were spending their money there. We were laughing at them. And knocking on doors in Philadelphia and Detroit was like, there’s no Trump people. They’re not dropping literature. They’re not dropping, knocking on doors. Well, in fact, it was laughing like, oh, Elon Musk and Charlie Kirk, but their packs don’t know what they’re doing.

We were making fun of Donald Trump for having thrown away his ground game and doing some weird stuff online. We thought that they were idiots. It turned out we were the idiots. We woke up in a body bag because while we were knocking on doors, they were making these phones into 24 hour a day political weapons for themselves. And so we got outflanked, outplayed, out beat by people who told us the whole time that they knew what they were doing. And people are mad. And Future Ford, all these different groups that vacuumed up all this money and told everybody to sit down and shut up, are going to be in for an accountability session from the grassroots.

And it is coming. I remember when you and I were speaking at one point. He’s 100% right. He’s one people can’t read the room. They don’t understand. Listen, the minute that Elon Musk bought Twitter and turned it into X, it was over. The minute that I seen Joe Rogan, when Barron told Trump to go on Joe Rogan and he did that three hour interview, it was over. When I seen J.D. Vance going into enemy territory, it was over. When I seen all of these people that was starting to mobilize. When I seen her appear on Club Ché Ché.

And the people was destroying her in the comments. When I seen her on All the Smoke and people were destroying them and they were so happy to have her on, I said that this is not going in well. This ain’t going to age well. This is not going to age well. Earlier, you were talking about algorithms, all kinds of data that was available that that you were, you know, people were going to be presenting to the first campaign. Sure. And I suppose you’re going to say that that did that fall on deaf ears to large part.

Yeah, Vance, right. They were like, you know, we’ve got it. We’ve got it. And and they didn’t have it. And one very obvious missed opportunity is that Joe Rogan is the biggest audience in the country. It’s disaffected, low propensity men, kind of the audience that the Harris campaign should be trying to reach. It was much more upside than anything else. Kamala goes on. Tim Walz goes on. And then you have millions of men who are exposed to the democratic message and never turned it down because she was too busy. I mean, like that that it makes zero sense, except in the context that the team just didn’t have confidence in her to do it would be its own issue.

Unless you think he’s being mean. 48 million views for the Rogan Trump interview on YouTube alone. Which was what, a three hour interview? The three hour interview with 48 million views. Like the sculpt, they were laughing. Oh, that’s two thirds of the total number of votes. That’s the beta. I think that’s like one million. Yeah, Lulu. I mean, I’m very happy that everyone’s talking here about the information ecosystem. Obviously, it’s incredibly important. So is Joe Rogan. But there is two issues here. One is the message and the other is the messenger. And so and how those messages are delivered.

And so, you know, there is a lot of discussion right now about the ground game and how you reach voters and all these things. And I think that’s going to be parsed. But, you know, voters told the Democratic Party over and over and over again that their main issues were their pocketbooks, inflation and immigration. And that was what they told them. And the closing message of the Democratic Party was democracy and Donald Trump is a bad man. Right. Well, but the way that they could have won, though, with Kamala Harris with immigration on the issue, given that she was part of the Biden administration.

That was just never really defined. Yeah. So two things. Number one, if you were going to run Kamala, then she needs permission to break from Joe Biden and say, hey, look, whatever the administration did, like, you know, like, I want to know things differently. And we’re going to go this other direction. I mean, her inability to do that was a very serious problem. Look, I don’t know if it was winnable. There are two numbers. One is 39. The other is 75. 39 is the approval rate for Joe Biden. That’s very low. And 75 is the wrong track measure.

That’s very high. So she had a tough hill to climb. I think that she did as well as you could possibly do. But she had a bunch of people running that campaign who did not listen, who were very arrogant, who sucked up a billion dollars, who pissed off a lot of people. And you’re going to be hearing about it for a long time. A lot of people who had said they weren’t going to donate another dollar. Biden didn’t get out in July. And then they opened up the floodgates and they did give that money.

January, not July. You know, Joe Biden, you know, I endorsed him in 2020, but he failed the George Washington test in passing the torch in time to have a real primary. All right. All of you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it as always. So basically what you’re seeing, and basically what’s happening, is they eventually got to a space where they couldn’t read the room. They didn’t know what people was really talking about. They didn’t understand the fact that, I know I was muted. I appreciate y’all for letting me know.

But we back, we good. I had to make sure that the person that was flying in that’s coming to do all of the stuff in my studio, they got in safe and that I could send them an Uber in order for them to be able to get to the hotel. But they couldn’t read the room. They didn’t know what was going on. And Van Jones was absolutely right. They got clobbered. Everybody thought that they knew what they was doing. Even the people online and even people like me were saying, hey, this is a bad strategy.

You shouldn’t keep talking about Trump. She shouldn’t have Project 2025 on her website. They shouldn’t keep talking about reproductive rights. She needs to be accountable. She needs to distance herself from Joe Biden and throw them under the… Listen, it was so many different ways that they could solve for the issues that was really playing out right in front of their face and they didn’t and they paid the price for it and they got clobbered. More importantly, people don’t want to be more liberal. They want to be more conservative and they want to get back to the money.

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