And joining us now is Tony Artaban of Wise Wolf Gold. Tony has given me a website, DavidKnight Gold. Isn’t that great to have a gold website after your name? And if you go there, that’ll take you to Wise Wolf Gold. You can get Gold Silver, you can join wolfpack and you can gradually save and average out your dollar costs. And so we’re going to talk about what has happened in the wake of the election. We’ve a lot of big moves in the stock market, the crypto market, gold and silver, that type of thing. And yet has anything fundamentally changed? Joining us now is Tony Arterman.

Thank you for joining us, Tony. Always great to be here, David. It’s crazy what we’ve seen. We had the stock market, Dow Jones went up 1500 points to a record high after Trump won the election. You know, we saw before this, I remember Drudge trying to make a case that lala was going to win. And he was saying, well, here there’s one outlier. You know, even though all the CEOs and all the editors of these liberal newspapers are running away from LALA and running to Trump, he said the stock market is doing really well. So that says that those in power, they anticipate this to continue.

So that usually means that you’re going to have the incumbent win. Well, she wasn’t the incumbent. Trump was more of an incumbent. And so they’re looking at this and they’re thinking that this is going to be good for Wall Street. Tell us a little bit about your perspective on the stock market thing before we get into crypto and gold and silver. Well, sure. Well, I want to say from last week when we spoke and you know, prior to the election, wanted to discuss the outcomes, whether it was a Harris win or a Trump win. And today I get to know how it feels to be Gerald Celente all the time because I called it.

Lastly, here’s the headline on Kitko. Trump’s victory spurs Bitcoin surged to 76,000 all time high stock in the stock rally while gold and silver tumble. And that’s what I said I thought would happen if it was a Trump selection. There would be a downturn in the precious metals markets temporarily because what that is, it’s nothing unsound about the fundamentals of that market or that it’s overpriced. It’s people selling off their positions to get into cash and then buy into the stock market. And because it’s a psychological threshold that was crossed with a Trump victory, because it signals a Lot of things that are going to be different than in a Harris administration.

And again, it may not even be policy, but it’s the perceived changes, and that’s what’s going on. It’s all psychological. I mean, Trump’s not president. He has no. He cannot affect policy. That’s right. And that’s it. I mean, that’s, that’s just a, it’s a psychological move. And plus, what he’s discussed with bitcoin is what, you know, with the Nashville conference that I attended and RFK Jr being, you know, in the periphery of his administration, that’s driving that as well. But fundamentals, David, this, again, there’s what. You can get very wealthy dabbling in stocks. You know, there’s many examples of that.

And I know people that do. I don’t get into that side of the business because I don’t believe that their projections of profits or their, what they show equals wealth, you know, because they can always paper over it. That’s the thing about stocks. You can always increase the amount of shares just like you can with a fiat currency. And so much of that, I mean, is hidden. You don’t like the people that held Lehman stock or Enron or something like that, or WorldCom. I mean, they got burned. And it looks good on, you know, temporarily, but again, it’s, it follows these, these trends that aren’t necessarily built on anything.

It’s just a perceived value. And that’s what happened after the Trump win on Tuesday. Yeah, I got burned very bad in stock market with a dot com crash. I looked at it. It’s like, well, I’m not betting on any of these companies. It really is a bet. But I thought, well, I’ll go with the real big manufacturers of the switching circuitry, because we know that Internet’s going to be there, right? And. But they all went down. I mean, intel, everybody went down. You know, it wasn’t pet.com that went down, it was everybody because they built up the expectations.

We’re going to see the same thing happening with AI, I think as well. But yeah, it is a betting market. And we saw one of these whales that was betting on the election, and I think he put in like 50 million and he made like a $25 million profit or whatever. But it is a bet. And that’s really kind of what these guys are doing. It’s kind of the same thing that this whale did to make a lot of money. And it’s kind of the madness of crowds and this kind of contagion that is going through there.

Because I think, Tony, what are they kind of betting on? Well, they’re kind of betting on that Trump is going to lower taxes and he’s going to do this and he’s going to do that, and what’s going to happen with that, that’s going to be feeding the deficit more. It’s going to be more inflation. Right? So, you know, that’s. When you look at the inflation stuff, it’s really the hedge against that is not necessarily the goal of the stock market. The hedge is really gold against that type of inflation. Or crypto, if you look at it that way.

And I think the crypto thing, you went to the Nashville conference, as you pointed out, where Trump was there and RFK Jr was there, and they were talking about crypto and the fact that maybe we’ll even have some of that as keeping that in reserve, have the federal government buying that. So I think that’s a big part of what is happening to crypto right now. Well, I think the big story really is what Larry Fink of BlackRock wants. I mean, really, at the end of the day, the most successful ETF launch in history was BlackRock’s Bitcoin ETF.

I talked about that right in January when it was announced was going to go through. And I said, now watch the price of bitcoin. I think Bitcoin was 35,000 or, you know, 37th, whatever it was back in January. And I said, this is going to change the game, because now you’ve got these big institutional players. It at least accelerated the timeline for bitcoin, even by anybody who’s been in bitcoin a long time knows that bitcoin will stand on its own. But if you really want to drive the price and drive scarcity, that’s what you’ll do. So I really think that those, you know, proposals, maybe not so much from RFK Jr.

But from Trump, or those are coming from other places. Those aren’t coming from Trump’s mind. I remember when he was talking in Nashville, it’s like he was reading it for the first time, because when he come across the. He said, and bitcoin finally surpassed the market cap of silver. And he goes, wow. Like, he’s, like he read it the first time. I don’t think. I don’t think his mind is on bitcoin, but definitely there’s a lot of people backing him that have showed him, you know, what they plan to do. I don’t oppose that. I mean, as long as you can still hold Your private wallet, private keys, all the rest of that.

I don’t recommend buying ETFs, but I think that’s really. To get to the point that’s the fundamentals behind what’s driving this perceived shift in what the administration, the friendliness to Bitcoin. As you seem like the Biden administration was totally anti crypto. And as a matter of fact, the Trump administration wasn’t very friendly either. The previous one, I think. I think, though, with this new proposals and what’s been discussed in Nashville, there’s a lot that’s going to happen in Bitcoin that’s something to watch. But again, it’s not coming from policy necessarily, as it’s coming from blackrock. And that is a big significant difference between the two of them.

And that is their attitude towards crypto. As you pointed out, they were not friendly towards crypto. And the Trump administration, and he had Jared Kushner and Steve Mnuchin start to talk about how they’re going to do central bank digital currency. Of course, that’s a competitor to crypto. And then with the Democrats, they went full on war. And we’re gonna just, we’re gonna stop this, we’re gonna intimidate people. Don’t make yourself an exchange where people get in or out of this. And you know, when shut your bank down, if you get into this type of thing, I mean, it was already full on war and it was going to accelerate.

And so when Trump took the opposite approach and then when he wins, that is, you know, really juicing this thing. At this point in time, as I look at the cbdc, the Western countries, especially the five is the us, uk, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, have pulled back on their push for cbdc. I think they’re not giving up on it. I think they’re just trying to do it by stealth and I think they’re going to outsource this. I would not be surprised if they do something like I played yesterday a clip from Elon Musk. He said, I think I can make X half of the world’s financial system.

It’s exactly the same type of thing that Zuckerberg was trying to plot with Libra, except I think Musk is smarter about it and he might actually be used by them to put in a de facto central bank digital currency, digital money, global IDs and stuff like that for a while. And then after people get acclimated to it, then they can just take it over, I don’t know. But that’s kind of the path that I See happening with that? What do you think? I think you’re right. I think it’ll come through corporations. And now that we have kind of a clear view forward, we’re no longer in the election process.

It is interesting, you step back and you wonder these CBDC plans, you know that they were going full tilt towards that and how do you get there? I mean in order to build something back better you have to destroy it first. I mean I look at what they’ve done, not doing anything about the petrodollar weaponizing the dollar all around the world just I mean the ubiquitous sanctions and going full tilt into that even though when it’s hurting dollar utilization and increasing de dollarization world, it just made me think, okay, you’ve got a plan here. We’re going to destroy the dollar and people are going to beg for something different or something stable.

And that would be a central bank digital currency and you could get your credits loaded up or you just give your biometric data and all the rest and you sign up for this new wallet. So that’s what I was thinking. I’m not sure now. I mean you may be right. This with the corporation links and the Silicon Valley PayPal mafia link to this new administration, we have to watch that very closely. The technocr really knows no party and that’s the cue here. They don’t recognize party. They use both establishment parties, the duopoly for their own end.

So that’s what we still have to be very cautious about that and the timeline may have changed a bit, but it’s still coming. CBDC will be a reality. The World Economic forum wasn’t wrong. 97% of countries have adopted some form of a plan for central bank digital currencies. So yeah, there’s a, this is a change for sure. This, this result on the election is going to change some things but ultimately all that’s still on the table. De dollarization still on the table. David, every, all the fundamentals, people Forget Trump printed 40% of all the dollars ever made.

It was, it was Biden said hold my beer and he doubled it. I mean, so I see, you know, again, we’ve already have a history, already know what a Trump administration looks like. And you know, when he ran in 2015, 2016, he ran against the stock market, he ran against the federal. He said we got to audit that, we got to look into that. And it was vague but he ran against it. He said the stock market’s a bubble. And then when he was elected, he said look, greatest stock market of all time. That’s right. And I think that’s the issue is that the stock market’s built off of debt and it’s ties to the central bank and how much liquidity it can get and the lowering of interest rates, which is inflation.

All of that is inflationary. And I think Trump will push more of that. I mean, it’ll look good on paper. Your 401k might look good for a little while, but the fundamentals of that is that the currency is losing value. And I don’t think that these companies are sound. A lot of them that are seeing these rallies right now. Oh, I agree. Yeah. That’s the difference between the approach of the two. You know, the Democrats will come on you straight ahead. Right. And so Biden, back in 2022, he’s saying, okay, I want everybody in the, in the swamp, you know, everybody, that’s all the agencies that are under the executive branch, one of these four areas, going to redesign the financial system.

We’re going to figure out how law enforcement is going to force it on people. We are going to write the code and we’re going to tell people how we got to do it to save the environment. Then all of a sudden they look at AI and it’s like, oh, wait a minute, we got to think about number four. We’re going to have to pivot a little bit here because this energy thing is not working out for us. Then they realize that people know what they’re going to pull, and so they’re going to step it back and they’re going to do it Iter, as Fauci said.

Right. Step by step. And that’s the danger of the Republican approach. They always get this stuff in. You know, the people will say, oh, we got a Republican president now, so I’m not going to buy any guns. And so they stop buying guns. When a Democrat gets in, they buy the guns. And then it’s the Republican who comes in and says, we’re going to take the guns and do the due process later. We’re going to start doing gun control by executive order. So they always run this stuff in. Sometimes it’s a frontal attack, sometimes it’s just in the, you know, they get people’s trust and they exploit that trust and get people to go to sleep.

And that’s the key thing. That’s why I want people to realize that this agenda that they’ve got is not going away. And none of the fundamentals, as you were talking about in terms of deficit and money creation and all the Rest of stuff, de dollarization. None of that is changing under Trump any differently than it would have been under Biden, except that people are going to be kind of pacified and not really paying attention as much because it’s going to be coming from Trump, I think. Yeah, well, count me out of being pacified on any of that stuff.

I pretty much saw what was going to come in this rally in the stock market. Gold and silver take a dive for a bit. But it all comes back. It’ll come back because the fundamentals are still there. There’s something wrong with our currency. There’s something wrong with our policy. You know, and if there is a massive change, see change geopolitically by the Trump administration, that could move things. But I don’t see that happening. I mean, you know, the personnel is policy. Last time he hired everybody who didn’t vote for him. So I don’t know. I mean, will he, will he bring some sort of ease from the tensions geopolitically with, you know, things like Russia and Ukraine? Will he actually stop that? Will he slow down the.

Accelerate our accelerated path to World War Three? I hope so. I hope I’m wrong. But I think again, central banks are buying gold at a record pace that will continue because the dollar is losing purchasing power. And in order for the government to function, David, I mean, all these plans, all these things that they want to do, neither candidate in this election ran on fiscal responsibility or balancing the budget or anything that would have been talked about in the 1990s. That would have been out front, by the way, in the 1990s, and they would have shown the debt clock and everything else.

They stopped doing that a long time ago because the numbers are so bad, it gives up the game. I mean, they literally, if you, if you have a brain at all, if you’re paying attention, you go, well, that’s. Those numbers aren’t sustainable. Well, no, they’re not. And so it will stop eventually. You know, you will have to, have to be. And that’s why they float these terms like reset, financial reset worldwide. That’s what these banks folks, that’s what. It’s not because they necessarily think that they’re going to be a wealthier country. It’s because they want to have a functioning country.

These central banks are buying gold because they’re going to re denominate all of their currencies in gold. That’s what they’re doing. They’re going to reset all these balance sheets and stuff that’s been held over since by the way a lot of this, a lot of the gold that’s held in these balance sheets is marked at $35 an ounce. It never moved because that was the way it was at Breton woods in 1944. A lot of these countries never rebalanced it and never revalued it. And a lot of that’s what all this stuff with the BRICS is for.

For their cross border payments what they’re doing is they’re not setting up a unified currency, they’re setting up a way for all of them to trade currencies against their gold across their borders and for trade. That’s really what this is. The dollar is already lost. When the bank of International Settlements gave gold tier 1 reserve asset status, I think it was only a few years ago that was massive because that had only been currencies and gold got listed and now it supplanted the euro as number two. Number one is the dollar for most held reserve asset.

Those days are just passing and I think a lot of these countries, especially the ones the central banks that are buying the most gold to see that. And that’s what’s going to change again. The dollar, a Trump victory, a Harris victory. The dollar has been damaged, it’s mortally wounded and it’s going, it’s going to have to change in form. It has to just based off of again the debasement. And Larry Fink Blackrock says it doesn’t make any difference between the two of them. He said, you know, for what we’re doing it doesn’t make any difference. He knows that it’s not going to make any difference.

When you look at when everything starts to crash and we’ve got all these different derivatives and we’ve got ETFs and all the rest of this, you know, what does it go back to? It’s got to go back to something real. Well, you know, you could look at things like land but it’s hard for most of us to own the land outright. And of course with property taxes you never will Gold you’re not going to, you know, you can actually own that outright, you know and so it’s a different perspective and of course it’s somebody that’s really bearish on all of this stuff.

I think that’s where the people who are looking at gold not seeing a very bright path ahead for the financial aspects of this. Got a couple of comments. Audi Modern retro radio says Tony’s wise Wolf Customer service is excellent. I had to switch credit cards so I re enrolled using David Knight’s promo link and Tony handled it quickly. Well, thank you for letting us know. And then for love of the road, thank you for the tip. He says, please ask Tony if he plans on getting involved with a bitcoin IRA like he has with the precious metals ira.

Hope he gets that wolf pack bitcoin up soon. He says, loading, trucking, atm. I’ll listen later though. So. So, yeah, what do you think? That’s a great question there. There are some good products out there that are Bitcoin IRAs. We get so busy with the gold and silver IRAs, I haven’t thought even to link those up. That most likely will be an option though, if we find some way, just like we’ve done with new direction trusts, that’s an option. And we will have the wise wolf bitcoin will be operational soon. This kind of stuff, I tell you, the more regulations that they have, it’s harder and harder to do any kind of startups and you have to have a certain type of banks and takes forever.

So with my schedule, it takes three times, four times as much as it used to take me because I can’t devote much brain power to it. I have to like put it in the morning and I look at it and say, we’ll do one thing, two things, and maybe, you know, get to something later. And that’s where I am with wise bitcoin. But by the end of the year, we will be functional. And we can see that. We can see just how much they have ramped up all these, know, your customer rules and all the rest of this stuff, you know, because on Rockfin, when people give us a tip, they convert it into their own cryptocurrency or whatever.

And then I got a hop out of that. I’ve got to hop into Ethereum and then from Ethereum into a dollar type of thing. And to have to deal with these exchanges, the regulations that are coming out of Washington, to try to shut that down essentially with rules and regulations. Can’t imagine what it’s like to be a dealer and have to deal with that. I mean, you got to be a big corporation really, to try to jump through these hoops. Maybe that will change under a Trump administration. If they’re friendly to crypto, one of the key things that they should do is start removing all these arbitrary regulations that have been put into kind of de facto shut it down, I think.

Yeah, well, I think that is a big difference. You know, we talk about the duopoly and most things are the same, whether it’s left or right paradigm. I totally agree with that. But in this instance and I think again the reason it’s so stark contrast is because of things like BlackRock, Larry Fink, there’s with the ETFs again with Bitcoin. That’s what’s primarily driving this policy change. BlackRock’s going to get their return. They made a bet on bitcoin. They’re going to get their return. And I think with the just the fundamentals of everything that came out of the Biden administration and Elizabeth Warren and they’re useful tools against things that are anything free market.

So that’s just nobody would believe them. It’d be like, you know, it’s the reason that LBJ and JFK could have never opened China but Nixon could, you know, because he was anti communist, you know, so it’s like the perceived free market, you know, advocate as people perceive Trump as. But I don’t, you know, we know he’s, you know, so many crony capitalist moves or eminent domain stuff that you and I would never do, but he’s come along and backed this. And for good or ill, I think and I think for bitcoin and people that are private holders of bitcoin or understand this is going to be a, this is the bull market.

This is going to be, this is life changing. You know, again, if he follows through, even if he’s 30, 40% into what he said, you know what some of the things that were discussed in Nashville, David, were, you know, RFK Jr saying that if he was elected he would have the, he would order the treasury to buy like 500 bitcoin a day until it reached 20% of the world’s reserves. Just like we supposedly have 20% of the world’s gold reserves. We don’t by the way, spoiler alert, we don’t have that. But that’s what he said that he would do as president.

And of course Trump came and had a lot less specific policy rolled out, but he did mention a strategic reserve asset and that he would not move the current bitcoin that was held over from seizures like Silk Road and things like that. But I need to give that back to Ross Ulbrich when you let’s hopefully he’ll let him out. But yeah, they just had a bitcoin policy institute just put out a 53 page report about setting up a strategic bitcoin reserve. Exactly what they were talking about at that conference. Yeah, that’s right. There was a move made after Trump announced that too by the biden administration kind of answering him.

They sold off a big chunk of the bitcoin that it already held because he said he was going to hold it. I don’t know if you followed that. So there was a difference. And this may be like one of the most underlying differences, glaring ones that actually existed between the two candidates. And I think moving forward, it’s going to be. Bitcoin is in a bull market now and will continue indefinitely. I mean, you might see some pullback. And I’m not giving investment advice, but if you don’t know about bitcoin and you take a look at the fundamentals here, really it’s about how much supply is there and it’s not what you.

I mean, it’s not a heavy supply. Yeah. Especially with the inflows they’re doing in these ETFs, and they’re just buying it up in massive quantities. So something to watch there. I don’t. I think. I think the bitcoin market continues to be bullish. Gold and silver will continue to do what they do. It just won’t be as fast. I mean, I think that some of the things that were driving the price of gold and silver, gold, especially under the Biden administration, was just. There was no moves made economically to help anything to bolster the strength of the US Economy.

I mean, we saw moves like just depleting the strategic petroleum reserves and then not refilling, stuff like that. Who’s at war with us? It’s like looting the Treasury. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But, you know, one thing that’s not going to change. I see this headline from Kitko, can the US Survive its Debt the Doom Loop Trap and Golden Future. Golden Dollars Future under Trump. That’s, that’s the, you know, with this debt. Debt that Trump escalated is really a doom loop. And I fully expect for him to do that as well this next time. I think he’s going to do exactly the same type of thing.

And so, you know, I think, first of all, the debt is crushing and it’s going to continue. Once he changed the slope at which it was increasing, Biden kept that going. And I think Trump is going to do that again, if not set it on a whole new trajectory, a steeper slope. And so I think that doom loop is a trap. And I think that the debt thing is not going to change. Regardless of, you know, Trump coming in. None of that’s going to change. It may actually get worse. It may actually get worse. That. Yes, again, because, you know, Trump is looking to reform or so called Reform.

I think what you’re going to see is just a lot of bipartisanship and other things that the government got bigger under Trump. I mean, there was a huge amount of spending increase. And especially with COVID 1984, it really remains to be seen. He’s not a fiscal hawk. He doesn’t see it that way. And his rhetoric has always been that he leverages through debt, and that’s what the US Economy is built off of. I would love to see some jobs coming back. If he’s going to be strategic about tariffs or anything. Again, we’ll just see it’s on the table.

We don’t know what’s going to happen yet. I just have the past to be my guide. I know what four years of the Trump administration looked like prior 2017 to 2021. So I know that, and that’s what I’ll be going off of. And there was massive increases in spending. The debt continue to balloon, maybe a little bit of deregulation, but again, the fundamentals of creating a sound economy just weren’t there. So I’m going to see that again. There’s a boon in the stock market. It’s temporary. And the precious metals markets, which gold and silver are money, they’re going to continue to strengthen and they’re going to continue to grow in value, or if you want to say value, it’s really the loss of purchasing power of the dollar.

The dollar will continue to lose purchasing power because that’s built into a fake fiat currency. Yes, yes. And I think a lesson for all of us is take a look at what is happening in China, for example. They had this Potemkin wealth. They built all these Potemkin villages everywhere, Potemkin skyscrapers. And a lot of people became paper billionaires. Now, a third of all the billionaires have lost their billionaire status because of this property market that is crashing. So I think that’s one of the key things when you look at it. What are you going to do to protect your wealth? And as I said before, even with property, the taxes that are attached to it and everything, it has to be maintained like that.

Whereas if you have gold as kind of a wealth insurance, once you get it, you’ve got it, that type of thing. And so that’s what I look at that. And trying to be outside of the digital system, that’s a real premium for me to be outside of this whole digital system. I got do not obey here says yes, thank you, Tony. Got my package yesterday. Happy customer. Thumbs up. Wolfpack Gold. So another Happy customer. And I’ve known Tony for a very long time and I’ve had nothing but good experiences with Tony throughout all these different years.

And so I really do appreciate what you do. So tell us a little bit about what’s happening specifically at Wise Wolf. Well, I mean, after the election we saw there was an uptick and there was some liquidity. People selling, as I predicted, because they’re going to get out of the precious metals, they feel like it’s safe to return to the markets. And I hope they do well and they’ll be back. That’s okay. And you know, we’re, we’re buying and selling in whatever kind of market, it doesn’t matter. And the main priority right now is just to make sure we have supply.

I was talking, I did an interview with Andy Schectman from Miles Franklin on the Wise Wolf Golden Crypto show this week. We had a great conversation and you know, he reminded me, said no, most people don’t understand, but you do. You know that if there was massive orders right now placed for physical precious metals that it would break the system. There would be no metals like, you know, and that would dramatically change the price structure. And that’s what’s wrong. And that’s what we both agreed on, is that there’s something fundamentally wrong with the pricing structure of precious metals.

Because the law of supply and demand really doesn’t fit here because of the paper, because of the contracts and things that are out there. So I’m going to release that in the next couple of days. It was a great talk, but really that’s coming from somebody like Andy, who’s been in this for decades and with his father and just seen just about every market. He and I both agreed the number one pressing issue was supply. It’s the reason I have, I’m in Texas right now, but the reason we have the secondary physical location. I can’t see how I could do a third.

But we definitely need supply. And that’s the thing is just supplying Wolfpack is hard and you know, we can buy from wholesalers, but to really pass on the savings and things, it’s just tough, it’s tough to get supplied stuff to get delivered. Yeah, well, you’ve always been able to do it up to this point. You’ve done a great job. We’ve had crazy market for the last month, every, every week setting a couple of new all time highs and everything. So it is time that we’re going to see kind of a buying opportunity. I think that’s the way a lot of people might think of this if they want to look at it for the long term in terms of wealth, insurance and that type of thing.

But it’s always been great talking to you and working with you, Tony. I really do appreciate what you do. Thank you so much. Appreciate you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. All right, folks. Oh, by the way, let’s not forget that Tony’s got a program coming up. Thank you. Yeah. On rockfin on the America Unplugged Channel. Rumble on the America Unplugged channel. And in my Twitter at Tony Otterman. You can find me there. We’ll be live here at the at 11:00am Central. That’s right. Right after this program, Tony’s program begins. You can find him all those different places.

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