➡ Dr. Cowan is hosting a series of conversations with innovators who create natural products that can help people. In this edition, he talks to Bonnie D. Archangelo, who has developed a range of topical products (things you apply to your skin) that aim to alleviate various ailments. These products are made from natural ingredients, including herbal extracts and essential oils, and use a unique base of orthosilicic acid instead of a typical base oil. The goal of these products is to help people find relief from their suffering, particularly when other treatments have failed.
➡ The text discusses a unique method of delivering herbal ingredients to the body using orthosilicic acid, a substance that mimics plasma and conducts electricity. This method is different from traditional methods that dilute essential oils in a base oil, which can be harsh on the skin. The orthosilicic acid is created through a proprietary process in a lab and is bioavailable to the body. The process also involves creating a bond between water and oil, which helps the herbal ingredients penetrate deeper into the cells and improve healing.
➡ The text discusses a unique method of using silica as a carrier for essential oils and herbal extracts. This process is used to create topical treatments for various ailments, such as neuropathy and diabetic wounds. The treatments are designed to promote wound healing, improve blood flow, and aid nerve function. The text also mentions the development of other products for different conditions, including post-surgery care and pain management.
➡ The text discusses a range of natural, synthetic-free topical products designed to help with various skin conditions. These include a gel made from ortho silicic acid, a product called “Itchy Itchy Ichabody” for skin inflammation, and a topical treatment for varicose veins. The products are available through Azure standards and the company’s website, and they have received positive feedback from users.

Thanks, everybody. And this is another edition of conversations with Dr. Cowan and friends. And I think I talked about this in last one or maybe the time before that. What I’m trying to do here is a kind of series of. Of when people, which is not that uncommon these days, who come up with an innovative natural product, like something that comes from nature, which they think can help somebody. So I see part of my mission, my role in life, is to find the things that are in that category that actually help people. Now, obviously, there’s a lot of people doing this, and there’s way more than I can verify or, you know, confirm for myself.

And it’s, of course, also challenging to have, you know, bonafide, like real scientific studies with all the controls that I talk about all the time. But in spite of that, I would like. I decided that I’m going to give some of these people a chance to explain themselves. You know, here’s where we came up with this idea. Here’s my background. Here’s maybe even something about how we make it, because, you know, we have a pretty discerning audience here. If there’s stuff that you can’t pronounce in there, they want to know what that is. And here’s what we’ve seen when we’ve used it.

And so today’s friend is. I’m trying to get the name right. Bonnie D. Archangelo Arc. Angelo Bonnie D. Archangelo Arc. And I. I’m terrible with names, and I’m so. I’m not even going to say that again. You can say your name. And. And so Bonnie contacted me, and I’m not sure how that even came about. Sent me some of her products, which I’ve used a little bit. And I actually used one on one of our goats, Charlie, who had a kind of a rash. And it’s. It’s hard for me to say what I’ve seen. I mean, they seem.

They smell good, and I sort of like them. And I. So I invited Bonnie to tell her story. And so welcome, and thanks for coming. And if you could just give us a little bit who you are, how this came about, what is this? Why would somebody want to use this product as opposed to anything else, and then finally where they can get it and find out more information. So thanks for joining me. Oh, yep. Thank you very much for having me on here. I’m happy to share our story. So it’s Bonnie D. Arcangelo, and there you go.

I’m a big fan of things that are difficult to pronounce. So I’LL pronounce the name of our company as well. It is a therble. And to give the whole history of our company would be a long and lengthy story. But I’ll start with what really makes our topicals different than other topicals on the market. So there’s no hard to pronounce words in our topicals, unless you struggle with Latin names of herbs. Then you might trip over some things because it is 100% natural based. But most herbal ingredients, especially essential oils, are diluted in a base oil because they can’t be applied directly on the skin in.

And so what is different about our topicals? Instead of using a base oil to dilute our oral products in, we use a proprietary form of ortho silicic acid as our base. And so what orthosilicic acid is. You know, Bonnie, I’m going to stop you there, because I think maybe even you’ve skipped a few steps. So basically, your company makes topical products. Like, so assume that people don’t know anything about what. What you’re doing. Okay, so, yeah, we make topical care products. And topical means things you put on your skin. Put on your skin. Yes. So epidermal delivery systems of macro micronutrients and herbal products.

And our tagline is topical products for what ails you. And the term what ails you comes from the story of Parsifal. And so if anybody is familiar with the Grail story and Parsifal, Parsifal was at the Grail castle. And the short story of it is he was eventually ejected from the castle. And part of it was because he failed to ask the Grail king the question. And the whole story goes on, and eventually you find out that the question he failed to ask the king was what ails you? And by asking him that question, he would have set the Grail king free.

Free from his suffering. And so we created these topicals as a way to help to set people free from their suffering. And so it is our way of asking the public at large what ails you. And a lot of our topicals. The individual one. So let me. Let me stop you. And I didn’t say this, but I do have a bad habit of interrupting people, especially on these. But partly it’s because I want to make it come alive for the listeners. Okay. So if that’s. Are you okay with that? Yeah. Yeah. So it’s an interesting idea, this question, what ails you? Because.

And correct me if I’m wrong here, but part of what my work is, is I’m not looking for a diagnosis. I’m. We’re always, we’re looking to ask the person what is wrong in their life or what do they identify as not being what they want in their life. So that sounds like you’ve come to the. A similar conclusion is that that is correct. So I have a master’s of science degree in herbal medicine. I am trained in traditional Chinese medicine. And so I am trained not to look at illnesses in the same way that allopathic medicine does and to look at the person and what they’re experiencing.

And so, yes, this similar to you. I’m familiar with your work. That’s how I came to send you your topicals. My husband and I have read several of your books and we’re also interested in anthroposophical medicine and that kind of lineage of work and healing. So, yeah, looking at what ails the person. Right. So it’s not, we’re not treating eczema here. We’re treating somebody who, who identifies that their skin doesn’t. Isn’t as healthy as they would like it to be. Correct. Yeah, there’s a big difference there, actually. Yeah. You know, and part of one of the struggles, which I’m sure you understand, when we’re putting out just like a topical care product, I recognize that we’re treating some surface level symptoms because again, we’re looking at what people are suffering from.

I’m not able to reach every single one of those people and really look at their symptoms and help them to resolve those inner crises. But I really am looking to just help to alleviate some surface level pain and suffering that people are having. And then of course, the deeper work has to be done on a more onetoone basis, which is kind of what I do here in my clinical practice, one to one. But I also recognize that there was a lot of people out there who were really in need of something that they couldn’t find even with allopathic medicine.

Some of the people that have used our topicals, for instance, one person was an amputee. He had lost his leg in a motorcycle accident and had unfortunately become addicted to pain medication. And when I met him, his injury had happened three and a half years prior. And I was with my father, we were having a conversation and his wife was, well, do you think this could help my husband? Because I’m really sick and tired of it, you know. And I said, well, I don’t know. We’ve never used it on somebody who’s, who’s had an amputation. Before.

So I gave him one of our topicals, and maybe about a month later, he messaged my. My father and he had used the topicals. And he said, and I quote, damn, I wish I had met your daughter three and a half years ago. I used her topical, and in two to three minutes, my pain was gone. Got it. And that’s what our company is here to do. It’s. It’s that what ails you and what are you not finding relief for out in the world that we can fill that gap. Got it. Okay, so let’s go back to.

You get these herbal essences, is that right, or. Yeah. So they’re extracts and essential oils that, you know. Essential oils. That’s it. Yeah, they’re your typical. So there’s the herbal constituents. But what is really different about our topicals is our base formula that you find in every single one of our topicals. So the herbal ingredients change from. From ailment to ailment that we’re addressing. But the base formula is based upon our orthosilicic acid, which is a silicon hydrate. We refer to it as a silicon plasma. So you’ll be familiar with Dr. Polak’s work. The fourth phase of water.

Right. So water is liquid, solid, gaseous, and then you have the fourth phase, which is plasma. And that’s what our blood and the fluids in our body are. So our ortho silicic acid mimics that plasma state. So it has a unique electrical charge. Because if we think about what is plasma, it’s matter that has an ionized charge to it. Right. So it’s got a lot of energy behind it, and it easily conducts electricity. That’s why, like the cosmos is. Is 99% plasma, and it’s able to move along those invisible electromagnetic pathways. So this orthosilicic acid is mimicking that substance of life.

And we use that as our delivery method for our herbal ingredients versus diluting them in a base oil. And so the silicon. Let me stop you there. So in other words, most essential oils that would be used topically, like if you just go to the health food store or something, you. You get similar essential oils, is that right? Similar essential oils, yes. And the difference is they’re dissolved in some kind of oil, like safflower oil or, or almond oil or any. Yeah, because jojoba oil or something. Something like that. Because you can only apply about a 2 to 4% application of essential oils because they would be too harsh on the skin.

Got it. So that there. So there’s a fundamental necessity for the using a carrier. In other words, otherwise you can’t do it. You can’t put 100% essential oil on your skin. That won’t work. You cannot. You. You would burn your skin. And then it’s very hard to wash off essential oils as well. So. And it’s not. I don’t really want to think of it as a carrier oil because these topicals started out with a plain formula of ortho silicic acid that in and of itself helps to build collagen and elastin within the body. There’s a lot of research by the National Institute of Health and to the use of silicon for bone density, bone health, cardiovascular health.

You know, silicon is kind of like the forgotten macronutrient. When we think about, like, all the nutrients our body needs, silicon isn’t usually on that list. You know, we can think about things like we need iron for building our blood, but you actually have more silicon in your body than you have iron, right? Well, it’s extremely important. And as we all know, there’s this like, well, I’ll make another book quote, the death of nutrition, right? Our food is not providing the nutrition that we need. And so silicon is one of those nutrients that is extremely depleted from our food sources.

And if you like, you can look at. You’ve heard of blue zones around the world where they have these areas where people are living much longer, healthier lives than what is seen in other places. And one of the commonalities that is found in these blue zones is that their water source contains high amounts of silicon. And so this is helping to decrease aging, to help strengthen the cardiovascular system, the bones, the joints, all of this is necessary. So we’ll think of this, these topicals as an orthosilicic acid formula that we’ve added other things to, but that’s really the primary working agent.

So what is ortho sil. What’s the word? Ortho. Silicic acid. Orthosilicic acid. What, what, what does that mean specifically? So that’s the name of the molecule that is formed through a proprietary process. So it’s a kind of like a catalytic process that we make in our laboratory. So we have an FDA and GMP certified lab that we make all of our products in. And so what it really is, we’ll call it a silicon hydrate. So it’s a liquid gel form of silica. What do you start with? Or is that proprietary? It’s a proprietary process, yes. So, you know, the, the End result is, is a form of silicon that is bioavailable to the body.

So in other words, without like revealing the secret sauce, you put stuff into a, a machine and then it comes out with this ortho silver salicylic acid. Yes. Well, so, so my husband and I are biodynamic people, so we don’t use machines. You know, it’s, it’s done by hand. And there’s a lot to it because we use magnetic and light spectrums to alter that energetic field of it. So there’s more than just a physical thing going on with the proprietary process. There’s an energetic process behind it because we are aligning it to that electromagnetic kind of reconnection to the body.

Got it. So when you do this process, the, the stuff in the vat or the container, whatever it is, it changes, right? It changes from a, like a liquid that’s separate into a, a gel that’s unified. Is that. Yeah, it comes together through a molecular bond and, and you can actually watch it during the process kind of pull together as, as we’re stirring it and it comes together into a gel substance. Yeah. Just as an aside, my guess is you don’t actually know that it’s a molecular bond. That’s a theory, but it’s some. That something happens to transform it into a liquid, into some.

Into a gel. And that’s what you know, which is the important point. So we were actually given this formula by a doctor. A professor. Doctor. Professor soon in Switzerland. And he’s a plasma physicist. He actually works at the Hadron Collider and he’s a molecular biologist and he works on plasma medicine. So it is actually a molecular bonded process. And we were given this proprietary formula to use here under the US under certain rights and conditions. Got it. I’m not sure everybody’s gonna be thrilled to hear about the Hedron Collider, but we’ll skip that. It’s just, you know, it puts into perspective his.

Yeah, he’s. He knows, he’s familiar with manipulating substances and concepts. Yes, let’s say that. Okay, so like, I guess my next question would be why do you put anything. Why not just put this ortho silic acid on people and see what happens with that. So we have, and there’s many, many years of use of it, just as that it is rather drying on the surface of the skin and we can start to get into. We have a patent pending process that takes that orthosilicic acid, which is a water based molecule and creates an amphiphilic substance by bonding water and oil together.

So because we talked about how you have an oil based carrier for those essential oils, we have a water based carrier for oils. And so we have a patent printing process that creates like an amphiphilic bond of the water and the oil together. And this, in other words, you’re making the oil water soluble, essentially where we’re holding them together in solution. And it’s really important because if we think about the cells of our body, they have a lipid bilayer, they, they have that, that oil tail and the water tail and only oil can move into that cell and only water waste can move out.

And so by having an amphiphilic bonded substance, it helps to move the herbal ingredients deeper into the cells. So yellow sciency here, you know, I have a focus on the subcellular localization of the ingredients into the endocytic vesicles. And so for those listening that might not know what the endocytic vesicles are, you can kind of think of them as like the transport vehicles that are moving things in and out of the cell. And so there’s a lot of science behind the focus of how do we actually get this into the cell and simultaneously be able to move waste products out so that we can increase the potential for somebody to see healing from the use of the products.

Yeah, you know, not to be a curmudgeon so much, but it’s been one of my things. I don’t know if you’ve heard this, but based on the work of people like Hillman, I’ve looked into whether there actually is a lipid bilayer around cells. And as far as I can see, there’s no evidence for that. So it’s. The idea of a cell membrane is actually an interesting idea. It’s like, does Jello have a cell membrane or a membrane? And Gilbert Ling did study after study where he peeled off the membrane and it had no effect on the activity of what was inside.

So I love to see those studies because of course, like I said before, I have a Master’s of Science degree and I’m starting my Doctor of Science degree in the fall. I’m registered to begin. And so of course everything we’re taught in school is contrary to that. But as you and I both know, you’re taught that the heart is a pump in school, and we both know that that’s not the purpose of the heart. So I would love to see. Yeah, you should read Gilbert Ling. He’ll, he’s, he, he was the he did his PhD thesis on the sodium potassium pump, which is the.

The most studied receptor bound protein pump you know of all and absolutely showed it doesn’t exist. There’s note and the reason is you can measure sodium inside, sodium outside, potassium inside, potassium outside, strip off the membrane and it’s exactly the same. Which then proves that it has nothing to do with some membrane. But anyways, that doesn’t mean that lipid like fat soluble things or water soluble things or plasma things don’t get into our tissues more than other things like or in a different way. So I don’t think it has anything to do with what you’re talking about here.

But I just, I know a lot of my listeners will catch that and say why didn’t Tom say why didn’t Tom say that? But anyways, let’s go on. So I would have to listen to more of your podcast now. Yeah, I mean partly it’s. It’s going through. It’s trying to differentiate what we actually observe from what we think is the mechanism. What we observe is that fat soluble things maybe have a different effect than water soluble things. Then we make up a whole story about why that must be. One of the dead giveaways is There are currently 14 different models for what the lipid bilayer membrane looks like.

Right. Fluid mosaic model and all this. And there aren’t 14 different models for what a schnauzer dog looks like. And the reason is because there is a schnauzer dog and everybody can see what it looks like and they don’t make up stories about what it should or shouldn’t look like. And whenever you see that, that means nobody has a picture of it. And if you can find a photograph is as opposed to a model. Those are different things. Right. Though you’ll find lots of models of lipid bilayer memory, you know, drawings and stuff. But they’re not photographs.

Artist conception. Anyways, let’s get back to. So it sounds like you’ve got this really interesting way of working with silica so that silica can be a carrier for these essential oils. That’s I think where we’re at. Essential oils and herbal extracts. And herbal extracts. A large number of herbal extracts in the topicals and you know, occasionally some nutraceuticals. But the focus is on the herbal ingredients. Okay. And so there’s then. So, so that’s the basic process. Right? Is there anything more to say about that? That, I mean, that’s the basic process. There’s lots of ingredients in our base formula like Fulvic acid, of course, that has its own properties and benefits.

So, yeah, you’d have to kind of go down all the different ingredients and, and break them apart as to their individual benefits to the body and we can discuss why they’re in there. Okay, so. So with this basic process, then you layer this, this group of essential oils and extracts or this one to affect different. Different effects. Right. Is that’s. Yeah. So looking at different ailments that. So we’ll take one of our most popular topicals. That’s the one called you’d New Path. And it was designed for people who are suffering with pain from neuropathy. Neuropathy has a lot of different causes, one of them being diabetes.

And my master thesis in school was done on diabetic wounds. So one of our formulas is called Wound Cares that was developed out of my research on diabetic wounds and the search for a natural way to help to heal diabetic wounds. Of course, you know, we’ll have to say that disclaimer. I can’t treat, cure, diagnose any disease that’s not intended to. But the purpose was to provide an alternative and natural route. Those of you who are familiar with diabetic wounds will know that there’s a large number of amputations that occur every year because of that. And they hurt.

Yes, big time. And part of what leads up to that is that onset of that neuropathy and the loss of feeling and cessation to particularly the fever feet. And so of course there’s other. You know, I actually have a doctor who uses one of our topicals and she was going through cancer treatment and so she was using the topicals on her legs to help with the blood flow, the nerves and recovering of that sensation. So, you know, there, that’s like stick to wound care. So you develop this to, to essentially help, which is, I would say, a huge unmet need.

They have these diabetics, they have wounds, they hurt, they get injuries because they don’t feel stuff and they don’t heal. Right. And then they get amputations, which is horrible, and etc. So you, you, you into this base of the silica, you put different herbs and extracts to try to deal with blood flow and help nerve function. Yeah, angiogenesis, really looking at all four phases of wound healing and trying to make sure that there was influences into all four of those phases with angiogenesis being a big focus of it, so that we have that, that return of the blood vessels to the wound area and then wound Closure, but also providing that sterile environment so that you don’t have other influences from the external world that are prohibiting that wound healing.

So that was actually one of the original formulas that I worked to create using the orthosilicic acid that my husband’s parent company was already selling on the market as a plain base formula and as an oral formula. And taking that orthosilicic acid and then being able to use it as a base and add in herbal ingredients that can have particular influences on the body. And the way a person would use it is like they would do whirlpools or not even that. Just apply it twice a day under a cloth or something. Yeah. So the recommendation is to wash the wound with like a sterile saline solution like you typically would to care for a wound, and then apply it and apply something, a gauze of some sort to keep it.

Now the key is, is moisture. So one of the doctors that has tested our products on his patients who have diabetic wounds. I’m not a proponent of Saran Wrap. It’s not even in my household. I don’t want it touching my food. But that is what he would use to cover his clients wounds because it would keep the moisture in there. Yeah, I’ve actually seen that work. Actually, I’m not a big fan either. But it does keep, keep the wound hydrated. Yeah. And that’s, and that’s key is hydration. And that’s part of that need for that amphiphilic formula like that water base and that oil base.

I have to moisturize the surface area at the same time as being able to provide that silicon hydrate. Got it. Okay, maybe tell us about another one then. What, what’s the diff? Another? Because there’s how many different. So there’s currently on the market, there’s 10 products available and we have several others that are developed and are currently being tested by our local doctors that work with their patients that have certain ailments. Some of our products actually were requested by some of these local doctors. They would say, I have a client that has XYZ wrong with them.

Do you have something for this? And I said, well, this will work, but I can add some other ingredients that will make it work even better. So about something that comes up frequently within our clinic is somebody with like obvious, you know, cancer and pain at the, at the site either post surgery or they haven’t had surgery or something like that. What, what, what would be for that? So we, we do have a topical care product that we’re developing with the idea of carcinomas in mind. That one is not on the market, but for like post surgery we have our Three King Silica plus is the one that a lot of people use for injuries.

It’s really good for helping to heal cartilage, bone, tissue, cells and help reduce the pain and inflammation that people are experiencing. We have people who had an injury three, 10 years ago that they have continued to suffer pain from, gone to physical therapy, tried everything their doctor would put at them and they use their topical and they’ll come back to us and say, I can’t believe it actually worked. And then long term use of it is going to help to continue to repair that site. So our formula started with our three kings, what we call our three Kings originally.

And so it developed out of the biodynamic preparation, the Three Kings preparation. So it has the gold, frankincense and myrrh. And all three of those have a history of use in wound healing in and pain management. There’s a lot of, there’s a lot of research too into the use particularly of myrrh for wound healing. And these are, these are sacred herbs, plants and materials. So that’s like our original formula and you know, that was used by people who had edema, people who had carcinomas and a wide variety of ailments. And it worked really, really well. And so we’ve added to that original formula to make kind of specific, more potent topical.

So like the Three King Silica plus has some added herbal ingredients to give a really immediate pain relief. And then I have one that I love I call mom’s best friend because I’ve got four little kids. Well, some of them are a little more grown than little, but when they’re little, they’re always bumping and bruising and injuring themselves. And so I’m always reaching for my arnica ointment. And one day my husband turned the bottle around and I just, you know, in my mind it’s a homeopathic. You know, I never, I look at ingredients on everything, but I never looked at the ingredients in my arnica ointment.

And he said to me, do you know what’s in it? And I was absolutely horrified. And I said, well, I can make something different. I’m not going to put that on my kids anymore. So I call it Mom’s Best Friend because what was in it? Oh, it just, it had petrochemicals and carbomers and, you know, all of that words you can’t pronounce, right? Which is really, really common to use synthetic carbomers to gel up water based substances. So that’s another important aspect about our ortho silicic acid because it comes together in a gel without any synthetics added to it.

And so the mom’s best friend has the Arnica homeopathic. It has arnica herbal extract, St. John’s wort and a lot of other herbal ingredients so that it takes away that bruising and that swelling instantly on the little ones or even on the big people too. And so they get specific. And like you said earlier, we don’t treat eczema or psoriasis, but there is a topical for skin conditions because it helps to reduce that. That again, I’m not able to treat these people in my clinic so I’m trying to reduce the body’s histamine response to that area, provide some, you know, nutrition, let’s say, to that skin to help with, alleviate their immediate ailment.

So not to go through every single one of the topicals, you know, those are. Which one is that? My, my 13 year old son hates the names for some of my topicals but I think they’re funny. So I call that one Itchy Itchy Ichabody. And it comes from a Dr. Seuss book that, his Alphabet book that I always love with my kids. And so for the letter I, it’s Itchy Itchy Ichabod. And I always just thought it was funny and I like to bring a little bit of humor into some really serious things. So, so that’s, that would be the one for things that we associate with skin inflammation and the itises dermatitis and stuff like that.

Yeah, you know, my, my 13 year old son has had eczema and psoriasis. You know the tough thing is, is kids are out there in the world and people eat junk and in our household we have a very, you know, strict dietary restrictions. But they’re 13, they’re teenage kids, they’re going to go out there in the world and they’re going to want to eat cookies and pizza when they’re at a birthday party and other people are eating him and so he’ll, he’ll flare up with a reaction. And so that formula actually comes from, you know, 13 years of a mom combating her, her son’s skin condition because little kids, they’re going to scratch and the more they scratch, the worse that that’s going to get.

And, and as you know, it takes time to reset the body internally. And so again, these are topicals they’re surface level things to help with the immediate ailment and just to give people an idea. So it’s again, you just like rinse the area and apply it two or three times a day or something like that. Yeah. So for things like a skin reaction, you don’t have to rinse the area. You can apply that one directly. It’s just for the open wounds. You know, the recommendation is to rinse and wash the area. But like our topical regen vein was a request by one of the chiropractors because his mom had varicose veins and he couldn’t get her to take any supplements or change her diet or do anything.

So he asked me if I would make one for his mom and so he made that one for his mom and that’s just, that’s helping to work with that vascular integrity. So so essentially you’re, you’re putting the, the herbs that typically people would use or the essential oils for varicose veins like horse chestnut maybe or I don’t know what’s in there, but exactly. And putting them in this ortho silica base so that it gets absorbed and can actually have an effect in the tissue. Correct. Yeah. All right, that sounds pretty, pretty straightforward. And so you’ve seen a lot of people using this and you’re ramping up sales and you’re getting local doctors and chiropractors and other friends and people you know to try it out and I guess is you’re seeing some positive results.

Yeah, we’re seeing a lot of positive feedback and growth. We got pick up, picked up by Azure standards. So all of our products are available? Well, seven of our products are available. They’re currently testing some of our new products because they go through a very rigorous testing phase to make sure that they do what they say they’re going to do. So like for instance, the itchy itchy Ichabod one was, is a new release and so it’s still in the testing phase with Azure standards. And we have a couple other natural distributors and companies that are looking into our products currently.

Great. All right, let’s maybe if you want anything else you want to tell people and then let people know where they can get your, your products. Yeah, absolutely. So as I said, they’re available on Azure standards or you can visit our website which is a thermal.com and I will spell that it is. Yes. Yeah. A E T H E R B A l dot com. So you’ve got an AET and then the word herbal dot com. All right. Any final words for our listeners? You know, I always welcome questions, so you can contact me through my website if you have any other further questions about our topicals.

Great. All right. Thank you for joining me. And I’m more inspired to use the ones you sent me, and I will let you know what happens. Okay, sounds great. Thank you very much. Okay, bye.
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