Okay, thanks, everybody, and welcome to another edition of conversations with Dr. Cowan and friends. And today our friend is Patrick Steensma, I think is how you say it. Yeah, pretty good. Pretty close. And he is coming to us from Amsterdam. And he explained a little bit about which part of Amsterdam, which I didn’t really follow, but it’s one of the parts of Amsterdam which is close enough. And this is a fascinating subject. And I would say. And the subject is peat moss. Now you would say, well, why is peat moss a fascinating subject? And I first heard about peat moss used as fiber for, like, clothing and bedding, I would say, 40 years ago.

So at that point, if somebody had said, well, what is peat moss? I would say, I don’t know. There’s these bogs, and you go dig up this mud and there’s some stuff in there. And that’s probably all I knew. But then I heard that there’s fibers. And the fibers can be. And I may be getting all this wrong, but the fibers can be woven into clothes or. Or batting, I guess you call it. And they can be made into bedding and clothes. And that was very interesting to me because you got this. This stuff that’s been in the earth for a long time.

I don’t know how long. And it’s like the earth is. We. We get a lot of good things from the earth. Like earthing is good. Putting your feet on the earth is good. So that immediately got my attention that if I could clothe myself and sleep in an. In a product of the earth, that sounded like a good thing. So then, of course, I said, okay, I’m going to go get one. And that was a problem because 40 years ago, there was no way. There was no way. I mean, that was before the Internet. And so you couldn’t really shop in Europe, you know.

Right. I mean, I. I wouldn’t even know how to do that. And so nothing happened, you know, for. And I kept hearing about it. It protects against electromagnetic fields. It helps increase your vitality. It helps keep you warmer. It helps your resistance, which I used to call immunity, but I realized that’s baloney. It just helps you have a better. You feel better, and your life is better. And so I kept trying to get it and kept being thwarted. And eventually then we ran into Patrick, and Patrick’s going to tell us his story better than I can.

But he’s one of the very few people who is make. Taking peat moss and making it into products which you can use. Now, I have peat moss vests, which I Don’t. Don’t think. Came from your. But they came from somebody in Switzerland. Somebody gave them to me as a present because I kept talking about that. I wanted to try it, and I like it. And I can’t exactly say why I like it, except I’m one of those people who like. Basically, for the last four months, I’ve worn one pair of shorts and one pair of pants.

That’s about it. Because I don’t go very many places, and occasionally I wear a different pair of pants if I go to an event. So in the winter, I pretty much wear my peat moss vest pretty much every day for six months. So that’s kind of all I know, except I know that there’s something to peat moss as a substance and as a fiber to make products that we can use. And so with that, I’m gonna basically. Patrick, the questions I’m interested in is, so, actually, what is peat moss? Because I don’t really know, I must say.

And why would anybody want to make it into a product? Because I have a feeling it’s actually really good to use. So with that, if you welcome. And if you could just give us a little bit of your story. What is peat moss? Why would people want to use it, and anything else you’ve discovered in your years of looking into peat moss. So welcome. All right, well, thanks, Tom, for that introduction and, of course, also for the invite. I’m very grateful for, actually, that. You were the one that launched my products back in 2019. Oh, wow.

Just. Just before I came to your office in San Fran. It was somewhere September, I think. Yeah. And I had 15 minutes to show you a topper and a comforter out of two large suitcases. And that was kind of. Yeah, you pretty much made the decision right away then and there when you saw it. Then. All right, let’s. I have that on the website. And then we launched it during Black Friday sales, and that was quite a huge success. Great. So since then, it kept on coming from. Via your website, and, I don’t know, over 5, 600 pieces or something in the last couple of years.

So. Yeah, so. So that’s really great. And. Yeah, because. Well, the thing is with my. My. My journey with Pete is. I’d say it started about 15 years ago when a friend of mine, boss, he’s an alchemist, he introduced me to it, and he had already a bit older than me, 10 years. And. And he already was busy with Pete for 20 years, but he’s really like an alchemist. So he was only busy in his lab and some weaving he’d been doing and ointments and oils and putting D4 peat fiber into the ointments and oils and all that.

So one day when I was there, he said, well, I want you to put on this cardigan. Now I’ve already, at that time, I already was busy for about 10 years with spiritual training. So I had a bit of sensitivity on the, on the energetic fluxes and sorts. And when I put it on, it was like almost instantly I felt like I put on an armor. So like I was enveloped within a rock. So that really caught my attention. And yeah, so he told, taught me a lot about it and I tried to advance his products somewhat, you know, low profile.

And I didn’t really have time to focus on it until, well, 2019 when I had some time and cash to set up the business because that was building up more and more. Yeah, this speed fiber is so good it has to go out in the world. And I’ve also bought a comforter and a topper through him. And so in the meantime, in those years I, I was experiencing what it did in my sleep and first the topper and then the comforter. So that really kind of sealed the deal. And it wasn’t as much that I was like really having issues with emf, but I was very involved in energetic clearing and healing work.

And so, you know, that’s, it’s beneficial for the recuperation when you do such work. But overall it felt like easier falling asleep and deeper sleep, longer sleep, feeling kind of, hey, that feels good, waking up and things like that. So yeah, let’s get to the basics. First, what is peat moss or what is peat moss? Yeah, well, the real Latin, Latin word for it is erioforum vaginatum. And in the US it’s also known as tussock cotton grass or hare’s cotton grass. So the point is it grows on bogs in the peat moors, the peat. And it comes every up every year and it dies out, but it doesn’t deteriorate, it doesn’t dissolve, but it, it, it kind of transforms into fiber and it does so every year.

And there’s. Yeah, due to its acidic and anaerobic in nature, they say. So I’m not a biologist, so I mean, I wouldn’t be able to really tell what all those things mean. But so, and, and the other thing, like you pointed out in your introduction, is that this has been there for, for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years. So this is layer upon layer upon layer upon layer that has been building up and. And it’s been untouched by any electro or electromagnetic forces of the last two, two and a half centuries. So. Correct. Correct me if I’m wrong, there’s places in the world like Ireland or some, I don’t know where they.

That. That this particular grass grows in these swampy, I. E. Bog places. And it grows this grass or plant that has very thick fibers. Thick. And because of the nature, the pH and maybe the anaerobic conditions of the bog, the fibers, unlike regular grass, which breaks down into nothing, these fibers just build up in the soil, making bigger and bigger bogs of peat. Is that basically how. Yeah, but it even contains trees and bushes. Entire forests go in there, so you can imagine. And they don’t really deteriorate, but they transform into the peat. Then it’s got a massive amount of energy in there.

Got it. And that’s why they use it as fuel and they sell it as garden. Yeah, they throw it in the garden to keep the garden well, to preserve it well, to conserve it well. Right. But that is like. Like 95% of the peat moss is what they use in using it for heating and for the garden. But the peat fiber is only maybe like 5%, maybe 6%. So it’s really those thin threads, but they are not considered to be a value by those, you know, big producers. But as a matter of fact, they are the gold of the whole peat moss.

Got it. So there’s these thick fibers, sort of like cotton fibers or wool fibers or something. I have it here. So I mean, I don’t know if people could see it, but I mean, it’s not really thick. It’s very coherent, you know, but it’s. They’re, they’re actually quite kind of thin, but there’s a lot of them. So it’s very. Yeah, coherent stuff. Yeah. So that in your hand, that’s a. That’s just a bag of peat fibers. Yeah, I got a whole bag here of raw peat fiber. And that is. That is washed and, and it’s already clean and it’s ready to be processed for the, for the bedding products, which.

Which then are made into a fleece with merino wool. So it’s 50. 50. That’s what is then done with that. So. But they, they kind of blend well together, the merino and the peat fiber. That’s also an issue. I mean, I wish I could have been doing that with alpaca because that’s, I mean, that’s kind of special rule. But it didn’t it didn’t, it didn’t stick together. So the, the peat fiber bundle or bag or whatever it is that you mix with merino wool fibers as well. Not, not yarn, but just fibers. Yeah, just the f.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the yarn. And then you get a kind of fleece which is a. What you just showed. Right. And that. Okay, then what. What happens next? Well, then what? Then it goes into. Into is made into a comforter. For instance, like this. So you can see on the side fleeces inside. Got it. This is kind of then knitted in the cotton percal. The finest cotton percale. Organic. That’s out there. So it’s almost like velvet. Yeah. And then it’s made into such a comforter. This is a year round one and this is the summer version which is half.50% less.

And then we have the topper which is about 50 to 70% more fleece because the person needs to lie on it and it needs to stay all covered. So I got it. But it’s all. Well, mattress cover. What’s that? That’s like a mattress cover. That’s what we call. Yeah, this is a topper. You put that on your mattress. It kind of have these bands so you can make it stay stuck on your mattress. Got it. And that’s why the squares are smaller, just to keep it together. Yeah. This is kind of not. It comes out. This is going to be bigger two squares in.

In one of the. This is more for sample kind of works. Got it. So okay, so there you got. Then you have these blanket on top with various amount. Are you there? I think we’re cutting out. Hello. I noticed. Okay, good. Okay, let’s see if we can. All right, so. So, so now we have essentially the harvesting of these fibers that they get washed and mixed with merino wool and made into a kind of a fleece. And that’s stuck in then in. In really organic. The finest cotton. So then it either a thick one. That’s the topper.

And then the two, two weights or amounts of the fleece. Yeah. Is the two different blankets. Yeah, yeah. So it’s depending on what your sleeping preferences are. You know, I mean in the winter it’s obviously good to have the year round versions thicker. In southern states it. You might want to have a summer version more. But I had year round sold in Texas and Florida so you know, but they put on the air conditioning obviously, so. Yeah. Okay, so now we know what. What it is. So why. Why would somebody want to sleep under a peat moss blanket and on Peat moss? Yeah.

Yeah. Why would that be? Well, let me see. My. My own experience was that, you know, because it’s the EMF thing and everything, but my experience was in 15 years that peat fiber, all the healing qualities and the curative properties of it have not been fully mapped out. So there’s a whole bunch of reasons for it to be something that you would have in the house. And I consider it, like iodine, what you would have in the house, basically. Yeah. So, like, for instance, I fell on my knee and I couldn’t walk. I had to perform the next day on the play.

And then Boston was a friend of mine said, well, why don’t you put it on your knee in a night? And I did. I mean, the raw peak and then. And then almost like 75% of the pain was gone. And I felt really hard on a very sharp stone. So that was really interesting. And of course, we could say that EMF is the main reason, but the point with the EMF is that what does the EMF actually do is that it throws you off your rockers, right? It makes you feel uncomfortable, it makes you feel not at ease.

It makes you. But my experience with it is that it also makes you get put. It drags you into your instincts, it drags you into your body and into fear and into your. Into your intellect. So all of those are not. Are not holistic and beneficial for your overall functioning. So now why is that the peat fiber kind of does so has these qualities? Well, it starts out with the physical properties, and physical properties are it has silicic acid, so a high contents of that, and which is quartz, and that has a strong affinity to the cosmic environment, and therefore it absorbs it.

And the human skin also contains that. Not so much as the feet does, but the effect of silica is that it creates a film like a skin. Yeah. So. So that’s one thing. And it averts and it blocks. And the other very important component is the dark brown carbonic human particles. And so, like in the melanin producing pigment cells, you know, we have the process similar to the human system, and human has great resemblance to melanin. You know, the freckles. Yeah, and freckles are actually also a defense mechanism against negative exterior stimuli. So now light in a short wave length form damages proteins and thereby also cells.

So that’s something. I mean, basically with the COVID I mean, that’s probably, you know, partially what you. The point you were making with the radiation is that that was one of the things that is Playing a big role in how this whole thing was pulled off with the radiation so the proteins get damaged by the EMFs. Anyway. So the point is with the, really the big huge thing with, with, with the peat fiber is that it transforms short wave energy into radiation, into long wave radiation, which is benevolent for you. So I mean that’s, that’s where the protection comes in.

And it’s, it is, it is because of those two physical substances that happens. And of course they have an etheric component in them as well. So those two things, they operate as kind of the major thing for the P fiber to do its trick. So to say, you know, Patrick, now that I’m hearing you explain it, let me take a stab at it myself and see what you think of this. Right. So you know, in partly I got this from having a conversation with a guy named Andreas Calker, who’s the world expert on chlorine dioxide, which we have ended up using to good effect a lot.

And this also has, in conversations I’ve had with Gerald Pollock and actually reviewing his work on water and oxygen. And it seems to be the case this is a little bit of a blanket generalization that even though it’s not really true to call them positive and negative charges, they’re just different charges. There’s certain kind of charge that we call positive which seems to break things down. And on the other hand, like for instance, the earth is a donator of what people sort of call electrons, which I would call negative charge or the counterbalance to this destructive positive charge.

And so when you make a like concentrated high intensity single, single frequency beam, like a radio beam or a 5G or, or a electromagnetic field, you’re concentrating this positive a breakdown effect and that’s counteracted by you know, like earthing and connecting with the earth. Or you could bathe yourself or surround yourself with a product of the earth like peat. And that will also probably act like a so called negative charge donor and protect you from this positive breakdown. You know, it’s, it’s funny to say positive because that means sort of good, but the so called positive destructive influences that we’re all exposed to.

So that’s one way it’s actually, it’s like it reproduces grounding or earthing. You’re reproducing connection with the earth. And then when you talk about silica, you’re talking about, you’re, you’re actually, like you said, you’re giving yourself a skin and you’re concentrating the healthy electromagnetic field that we’re all bathed in so that’s a second positive effect. And the third one is this humic acid, which is a sort of fundamental detoxification mechanism. It’s like shilajit from the Himalayas. You know, they use this. Oh, it’s like that’s their so called homunculus, which means universal medicine is these plants that have been compressed, but the pressure of being in the mountains for hundreds of years and then it oozes out like a black goo and they collect that and it’s full of this humic acid.

And if you take it, it actually gets rid of things which are depositing in you, which is the source of pain and disability. Because then if you don’t use something to help you, you have to use inflammation to dissolve it yourself. And so in a way, Pete is like the, you could almost say it’s the western version of shilajit or this compressed plant material over eons, you know, however long, I don’t know. But that creates this humic acid. That’s like the physical signature of, of the regeneration material that the world uses. Set. Yeah, yeah. No, that’s a very interesting expansion on it also.

And, and I was. This made me think of something and I don’t know if you’re familiar with this kind of corresponding categorizing, but you know, you have the four elements, you have the four bodies, you know, the spirit, the light area, the water and, and earth. And within ourselves it is our own spirit, our own soul, our etheric vitality body, which is the builder of the physical body and you know, the maintenance of the physical body. So rather important. And then physical body itself with the mineral earth. But there’s also a correspondence with those four, with the spiritual on the warm side has to do with oxygen, sorry, hydrogen, which has to do with the sun, the soul and the air.

Light has to do with nitrogen and the water and the vitality. Etheric forces have to do with oxygen and carbon has to do with the physical component. So what this whole thing is about also is when you work on the oxygen level so, you know, you have these things where you can go into some oxygen kind of capsule, you know, and you get all oxygenated so, you know, it makes you feel better. So. But that’s the same thing with all of this is you’re, you’re busy taking the etheric sort of say potential of substances and then you’re working with those and experiencing them and seeing how they work out.

And that’s also the thing with the peat fiber and the beauty of the peat fiber is that it kind of the way how it works is that it kicks in on the warmth level. So first kind of experience, what you’d have is it makes you feel at ease and your hands start to feel good. You know, they’re soft in the flow. The blood flow is good, goes to your heart. So that’s where. That’s where kind of how it influences you to a good in a positive manner, of course. And that also influences your soul and thereby your whole nerve.

Sense nerve system. So you become more relaxed in that part. And then it influences you on the fluxes and the glands and the flows of the other. What the etheric body is then also involved in. And that then influences you on the physical level. So that’s how it kicks in. The peat fiber and the difference, I mean, they all have their own kind of quality and potential. But what I know of the peat fiber, what the potential is, it’s the carbonic humic acid, those human particles, it’s brown coal that then gets transformed into carbon and that gets transformed into diamond.

So that. That’s already. That process is kind of out there happening in nature. By the way, all in Scandinavia and Russia has huge amounts of very, very long fibered beet fiber. So if you integrate that in yourself and it’s. Try to make a connection to it and use it in various ways, then you kind of give a homeopathic slingshot, that’s what I call it, into your own vitality system by which you can kind of lift on it and see how far you can get. But you also start to create those things in yourself because you have that in yourself as well.

The potential to do that you have in yourself only gets awoken by peat fiber to start doing that. Yeah. And eventually you can build up your own bodies and expand. You know what you need to expand for spiritual growth. Yeah. I mean, these are. This is very much alchemical concepts. This idea of the carbonic acid and humic acid is it’s like transforming the dross. There you go. That’s a good one. Yeah. Because the dross is in the etheric. That’s the past. You got to sort that out. Right. So you got all this stuff from that happened.

And it’s. Some of it’s good, some of it’s not good, some of it weighs you down. Yeah. But the, the alchemical process of you could say becoming a diamond is the transformation of this carbon element, which is the earth element, into something that’s more refined and more beautiful and more transparent and more actually. Yeah. Transparent to the light, so to speak. Yeah, so. So I mean, the other way of what the way of putting the diamond out, how it’s also been used in esoteric manner is they call it an equivalent of the resurrection body. And the resurrection body is what Christ resurrected in after Easter Sunday.

But what that actually means is that it’s an individualized body that is, that is impenetrable and it’s eternal and it’s made up of freedom and love. And that’s what Christ is all about. He’s all about freedom and love and able to do the good. So he’s doing the will of the Father. He says, yeah, the Father and I are one. Well, just do whatever, you know. But he does it out of, out of freedom, freedom of choice and, and in a loving manner. And, and that’s what you’ll get with the diamond. So the diamond is kind of the ultimate price, I would say.

There’s, by the way, there’s tons of diamonds in, in the earth. It’s not, it’s not something that is very rare. Yeah, right. Which they want to. They have diamonds in the peat moss in, in peat bogs. No, no, not there. Not there. No, not. I think that’s still ongoing, but yeah, you can imagine what that would become at some point. So as far as the physical body, then it helps to essentially transform the dross or that which has fallen out of life and needs to be reintegrated. And that’s a lot of illness. You have deposit in your knee, it’s fallen out of life and so it’s now like a rock and you need to reintegrate that into your living knee and then it doesn’t hurt anymore.

Yeah, and then you have the so called vitality or oxygen level that’s also the water level. And you know, again, it’s interesting. I’ve talked about this a lot. I’ve come to believe we don’t actually breathe oxygen, we breathe charge because the oxygen cannot pass into us from the air. And I’m not even actually convinced the air has oxygen anymore, but that’s a whole another story. But what passes into us is this negative charge. And so the peat helps with that. Therefore it helps your vitality body, which means that you’ll sleep better. Then it helps bring in warmth.

And everybody knows, or certainly I know that if I’m cold, I can’t sleep. And then it also helps with the, you know, emotional or soul body. So what does that have to do with it? You know, if you’re worried or fearful or right you know, like unsettled or lying or, you know, it’s hard to sleep because you, you need, you want, your naturally want to resolve that before you allow yourself to sleep. So not that if you sleep in a peat moss bed, you wouldn’t have to do it. Yeah, you still have to do that, but you feel a little warmer.

You have a little help with the negative charge. You’re, you’re helping exposed to substances which help resolve the dross. It just makes it easier. And that’s really what healing is. It gives you nut. But you also, because, I mean, it’s really, you know, feeling at ease and relaxed and I mean, you know that feeling. So then, then you start to see things much different. Yeah. What you would do when a fearful anxiety kind of thinking or state of mind, state of being would do. Right. And that’s a big part of today’s world. It’s, you know, the, the controllers have picked up on this idea of fear as a mechanism for control.

Basically. It’s, it’s. Yeah. To reach their goals. To reach their goal. Yeah, it works. I mean, it’s, it totally works. Yeah. So, and you know, that has, that gets you into. So I, I wonder you could predict that if people sleep in a peat moss, they’ll no longer believe in viruses because they don’t have to be afraid of the world. And so that’s, that’s our ultimate solution of how to spread the no virus message is get everybody to sleep in peat moss and then they’ll wake up and say, I never believed in those stupid viruses anyway.

Yeah, well, I would. The, the, the thing with peak moss, at least peak fiber, is that it’s known to enable you to follow your spiritual path. And, and when you get knocked off your rockers by all these exterior influences, radiation, what have you, I mean, that happened in the, in the, in the 1918 Spanish flu. The radio waves kind of generated that too for people that. They kind of got knocked off their rockers. And that was a really big change because before that it was very much natural. Yeah. People were naturally inclined to, to go on their spiritual, do their spiritual development in their lives.

And, and when you get thrown into your body like that and your instincts and your struggles for life and intellect. Yeah. I mean, fear then. Yeah. You don’t think about doing a spiritual development. Yeah. So that’s the advantage of Pete there. Yeah. So you could, you know, and it’s, I think it’s not surprising that if you wanted to look for something that would help ground people and protect people and help them do their task in this life. Like, it’s not a huge stretch to think you should look in the earth. Yeah. If the point is to be grounded and be here on this, in this way.

Yeah. It’s plain. Then you would think that you would look to things that come from the earth. That, and that’s, that’s what peat moss is. It’s. And it’s what, I mean, what Christ says, what you have in you, it will revive you. And what you have outside of you will kill you. So all these things in our existence are there to integrate into us because they have these forces. And every, every single thing has its. As its purpose. So you need to work with it. And that’s the whole thing with esoteric Christianity and I think the whole alchemist thing specially does that.

It looks into, okay, what’s this law working out in this substance and what’s going on in that crystal. You try to integrate into yourself to, to see what it does. And then, hey, that’s kind of interesting. So you want to work with it more for the good. And that’s, that’s. I mean, peak fiber gives you a general kind of avenue to work on it because it’s so basic. I mean, why would there be so huge amount of peat fiber out there in the world? It’s all for future potential evolution of mankind. It’s just, you know, it’s, it’s huge.

Yeah. Okay, so I think we, I think we got. So right now the products are the topper and the two mattress covers. Well, one, one mattress copper, two top, two comforter, two covers. Is there, is there any future products in the, in the works or what. What do we got? Well, I have a future product. That’s this one. It’s a, it’s a scar. So this is my. I made it because of my experience with. During the day because, you know, you have those for in the night. But in the day you have attacks as well or, you know, you come in places or whatever need it may be.

But my experience is that in the back of the neck there’s a lot of the attack because what they call kind of your, your, your double. You know, there’s, there’s a lot of, let’s say, materialistic kind of fluxes going on here and impulses. So this is a place in the back of the neck where, where a lot of stuff is kind of initiated to make you feel awful. But that’s not the only place. So another place, of course, the throat. Yeah. And the throat is very important. With, with finding your way. You know, the, the right path, the right thinking, the right action, the right, you know, the eight folded path.

Buddha is the throat, 16 petal, lotus flower. So that’s that. And then you have, your time is, you know, it’s on your, on your collarbone here. Yeah. And of course your heart. So. But your time is basically, it’s kind of a, or balancing director of all your organs. So it’s important to keep your time is protected. And that’s also where your divine spark is in. You know, it’s not in your. Obviously your spirit is in your heart, but your little own unique divine spark, the epinoya they call it in the Gnostics. That’s right there. This is your connection to God.

So, you know, you would want to protect that. So that’s what I also made recently. And it’s made of silk. And then inside there’s either a fabric or a fleece and the inside is peat fabric or. Yes, now I have fabric, but I’m gonna, gonna put the fleece in there. Got it. This is one. But both work the same. But. And so that’s going to be available sometime soon. It’s available now. Available now. Yeah, you guys only have to put it on the website, so I don’t want to rush your son with the. Yeah, yeah, good.

Yeah. Any other clothing or vests or anything is in. Well, I, I have a vest. I mean, I have that thing for 15 years. You know that, that’s just the same kind of vest maybe that you have. This is, this is that fabric that it’s made of means about 30, 40% beat. But I cannot really yet focus too much on that fabric because it’s running out and it was, it’s, it’s not produced so quickly. Yeah, that’s the point with the fabric. It takes a lot of time. It’s all made by hand and the weaving and all that.

So. Yeah, but that’s kind of the downside on that. But I do have some other products in mind, but I cannot share them on the. Right now because it’s still, you know, intellectual property. Got it. All right, sounds good. Yeah. You know, I was just thinking, because there may be people who say, is it true? I mean, if you get to a basic question, is it true that what we wear affects our life? That’s a basic question. I mean, it’s also a good question because, you know. Now let’s just look at this for a minute because amongst the people who think that what you wear affects your performance or what Happens with what you’re doing are like, you know, all the religious people, right.

They all dress up in fancy garb and, and sports people, right. They all wear their uniform. And I, you know, government official, like justice judges, you know, they got their garb, you know, and I think they’re doing this because it conveys a message and also probably has an effect on how they feel and what their intention is. Like, some of them may not even, may not even be good. It may be like power or control or something. But the fact is they’re using garb, right. Clothing to have an effect on them and the people around. So, yeah, I think there’s a lot of precedent that what we garb ourselves in affects our life totally.

I mean, I, I, my, really my whole life, I will not wear anything that’s like polyester or Ray. I just won’t. I just, I don’t like. There’s something about it. I don’t like how it feels. Right. So it’s rash. I know with me, I get rash. Yeah, right. There’s. Get a reaction. It’s just not right. So there’s something about this that’s, you know, we don’t, what is not very popularized. Not something we talk about. Like you don’t go to the doctor. And he says, well, what, what, what’s, what’s your bedding? Yeah, right. How many people have been to the doctor? And he says, yeah, what’s your bedding like? Yeah, I, I, you know, I sleep in these plastic sheets all the time.

Well, maybe that’s why you’re not doing so well. So. Yeah, no, I totally think that’s a good point. Yeah. But when, when I do that energetic work. Been doing that for 25 years. You know, I’m clearing out bad places, former concentration camps and stuff like that. But then I always wear my vest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean. All right, Patrick, I think we got a good idea for people about. And we can, you can go to the website and we’re going to get those vests on there too. And well, the scarf.

Scarf. Yes. Scarves. They’re. They’re the easiest. Easiest. Yeah, they, they, the delivery is also much quicker than, than with the. Yeah, that’s like a gateway drug. Yeah. Yeah. It’s only 150 bucks and. Yeah, great. I have them. I sleep with them in the night also. Yeah. Because lately out here there’s been some, quite some elevation in and radiation, so. Yeah, I’ll bet. So. But I just tried it out and that actually works. Because sometimes, you know, you’re. You’re. This part is above the sheets and all that. Yeah, right. I’m gonna get one myself. There you go.

All right, Patrick. One over there. All right, Patrick. Okay, Tom, great talking. Take care. Thanks. Yep. Bye. You too. Bye.
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