There are a lot of people who have now signed up and are signing contracts to be, like, reps and affiliates and all that stuff. But it. And it’s true, like, one of the universities that was trying it out, all of their running backs are now starting to use it. And it’s one of the. I. It’s kind of a weird thing, right? So after I developed it, I was. I was actually, I had just finished working out, and I was like, super, super winded. And I have never had this experience from anything else. And I’ve tried, like, hiking in Colorado and using one of those little oxygen bottles.

Cause I thought that might help because I’m, you know, I’m from a low elevation. I was suddenly in Boulder, and I was gonna go hiking, and I was completely dying. And so I got one of those little oxygen canisters and, uh, didn’t do much right, but I had just finished working out, and I was completely winded, and I had a can of this stuff, and I cracked it open, and I really wasn’t expecting this to happen. It was weird. I downed the can and I was panting. I mean, I was so winded, I was like. And then in the middle, literally in the middle of a breath, I went, and I was no longer winded.

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And we’re working on all these other projects. I hope you have a fun time with this and learn and just let your mind get going. Different directions. And I think in order to solve the problems that we have right now, we have to innovate. We have to innovate and we have to get ahead of things. Plus, we want to innovate. We want humanity to move forward, and we want to have solutions to problems that we’re dealing with that are pretty sophisticated. And that’s where Ian comes in. I love talking to him. He has a bunch of products that he has developed, and we’re going to talk about some of those and then some other science concepts.

And if you’re interested in getting any of those, you can go to sarahwestall.com under shop. Mitocurerx is one of the products that we talked about in the past, which was a really a replacement for methylene blue. It uses methylene blue to increase your energy levels. And he’s going to explain that at the very end of this podcast. It also increases mitochondria turnover so that you have more energy long term, so you’re not addicted to the product and it really works well. He explains why it doesn’t. It gets rid of your weakest cells first and turns them over.

And it’s just a phenomenal product. But you’re not addicted to something because you don’t want something you have to take in order to have more energy. You want your body to just improve and have more energy. So we’re going to talk about so many cool things, though. We’re also going to talk about this brain thing that he did for three days. That was a like condensing meditation down years of meditation into a three day period or a week period. And he talks about the science behind that. Absolutely fascinating whole bunch of nuggets for this whole thing that you probably haven’t heard before on a lot of different topics.

So let’s get into my really awesome conversation with my friend and scientist Ayan Mitchell. Hi, Ion. Welcome back to the program. Hey, Sarah. Happy to be here. Well, you are one of my favorite scientists, for sure, and one of the best in the world. And people in the know know that you are. You’re always invited to these panels. People have no idea how good you are because you’re always invited to the top think tanks and panels and behind the scenes. And so I love having you here? Yeah. Thank you. I do actually. I honestly feel like a kid in a candy store.

It’s kind of, it’s kind of funny. It’s funny that you say that, too, because I just got invited on a group, and the people running it reached out to me and said, hey, we have the top longevity kind of thing for XYZ. And we’ve talked to all these doctors, and you’re like, the band’s band. What do you mean? It was so funny to me. They were like, yeah, so everybody talks about the stuff that you do with them, and, like, your name keeps coming up repeatedly with all these guys. I was like, oh, that’s flattering. It’s kind of cool, though.

So I’m like the, the, I guess, little known dude that’s in the backwoods of Oklahoma. Well, no, I mean. Cause you worked for NASA. I mean, you’ve worked for all these big institutions. I mean, people reach out to you. I’ve done some cool stuff. Yeah, I’ve done some cool stuff. Well, and it took us an hour and 20 minutes before we got this podcast going. So I had so many things I had to talk to you about. But anyways, one of the things that I really think that listeners would find super fascinating is the whole on experience.

Oh, yeah. So that’s a fellow named Doctor Drew Pearson, who developed a program, and he’s worked with a bunch of different companies. He’s a neuroscientist. And so what they developed is basically a program so you can enhance your mental capacity. Right. And it’s really, it’s interesting. So I did the program. I went to California, did the program, because I’m always kind of looking for whatever I can do that will give me an edge mentally. And so when I was a kid, I had really horrible migraines. So they did all kinds of tests and scans on me and couldn’t find anything.

So my dad, on a whim, and this was in the early seventies, my dad put me in this thing called biofeedback. And so back in the day, they put the, it looks like the original Ghostbusters, where you basically have a colander on your head with electrical leads. So I did that when I was a little kid and learned how to control a lot of my autonomy nervous functions. You change your heart rate, your blood pressure, your body temperature. And so that was really good. It was kind of like the precursor to learning how to meditate for me.

But this nowadays, I mean, obviously, like everything else, technologically, has continued to advance. So has neurofeedback and it was mind boggling. So they put you in a 21 channel eeg, and they monitor everything in your brain, right? So they’re looking at, you know, how the blood flow is doing this and what areas of connectivity and activity are firing, and they can actually track all of that stuff now. So you actually get, like, a 3d image of your brain, and it shows all of the connectivity and what’s happening. And so drew, because he’s done this for, you know, 30 plus years, and you can read all the scans and all the stuff that is honestly well beyond my capacity, because to me, it just looked like a readout of lots of weird data.

But, you know, when you. It’s like going to a radiologist, to me, it all looks just like grayscale images, but they actually see the bones, right? So. Oh, well, here’s your. I’m like. Looks like a scratch and sniff, you know, thing to me. Like, I. It makes no. No sense to me whatsoever. But Drew can. He can actually see kind of the signal that’s hidden in the noise to me. And so he’ll assess what your brain is doing and then what you could do to enhance it. And so we spent three days, which was honestly brutal because it’s so fatiguing.

It feels like you’ve taken. You do it for eight to 10 hours a day or a little bit longer, and you start in the morning, and you’re doing hardcore neural work for eight to 10 hours every day. What do you mean by hardcore neural work? So you’re mapping your brainwave states, and then you’re trying to modulate your own brain waves. So you’ve got a readout, and you can see what you’re doing. Sometimes it’s an auditory thing where it’ll play a tone if you’re doing the right thing. Sometimes it’s on a screen, and you’re visually looking at the readout, and you’re trying to get your neural levels up to a certain point.

So you have to learn how to put yourself in theta wave state, delta state, and enhance the different components. And the idea there is that when you can consciously control what your brainwave states are doing, certain things allow you to be more creative. Certain things allow you to be more analytical. And when you can shift between those states at will, it allows you to cognitively do things that you wouldn’t normally be able to do. And so for me, since I, you know, kind of my bailiwick is trying to solve puzzles that a lot of people are working on or that have been kind of heretofore sort of intractable, and nobody’s cracked.

It helps when you can put yourself in a state where you’re both highly creative and highly analytical. Because one of my suppositions is that, you know, a lot of the problems that I’m working on aren’t going to be solved with the classical things that we’ve already had done, otherwise those problems wouldn’t exist. So I’m trying to figure out how to put myself in states that are very creative, but also, at the same time, very analytical. So I can do both, you know, because really, if you’re trying to integrate your brain, you’ve got the corpus callosum in the middle.

And a lot of times things don’t happen between the left and right hemispheres. And if you’re doing work that’s really demanding, you need to have both components. You have to be intuitive and creative, but at the same time, you have to be discerning and highly analytical. And so to that end, doing the work where you, you actually train yourself on how to elicit those different brainwave states is impactful. It’s hard, but it’s impactful. So, you know, in this case, I spent three and a half days doing that, and it. It feels like you’ve taken two sats in a day or the gre or something.

I mean, you’re just. You’re white mentally. And don’t they say it’s like doing meditation or yoga? Like years of that, isn’t it? Yeah. So he drew, developed a program called 40 years of Zen was the way it was built previously, and it’s not exactly. That’s not really true. You can’t get the effect of meditating for 40 years by hooking yourself up to electrodes for a week. But you can get the effect of quite a few years, because generally speaking, it would take years and years and years and years of meditating to figure out how to control your brain waves and, do, you know, your heart rate and your body temperature and actually change all these physiological states.

But when you have all of the equipment and you’re watching the output from a 21 channel EEG and you’re monitoring your heart rate and your blood pressure and all that stuff, you can see very quickly when I think this, when I put myself in this kind of a state, this is how it physically manifests. And so having that really concise feedback loop, I mean, hence the term neurofeedback, you see what actually makes the change and what doesn’t. And so over the span of, you know, a few days of doing that. Like, the very first day, I was having a difficult time putting myself in a gamma brainwave state.

And it was tricky. By the last day, I could finally do it. And there was a. One of the fellows that was there in the little cohort that I was in, they nicknamed him Gamma man. And because he has done this for years, and he does a lot of neurofeedback and has for years, but his gamma wave states are just off the charts. And it took three and a half days, basically, before I could. And I wasn’t even anywhere close to where Tony was. But it. It took that much time to just figure out, like, how to get a feel for it.

And I remember there was kind of a moment when I realized, like, oh, I feel it. And I had the readouts, and I was looking at the display, but it still. It was funny. It didn’t quite make the dent right. Like, I didn’t have the impact. And there was this one moment where I was like, oh, I got it. It’s this thing. And it literally was just kind of like, it wasn’t anything physical about how I was moving. It was literally just about how I was breathing and how I was thinking. And once I had it, I had it.

And from there on out, it was great. But the whole process was very cool. But at the end of the night, you literally just pass out. Like, the first night, I think I fell asleep face down on the bed with all my clothes on because I was. No, seriously, I was exhausted. I went upstairs. Yeah, I went upstairs and I was like, oh, I’ll just sit down for a second. And I was like, I’ll just lie down for a second. I was out. That was it. You know, through that, just so I can sleep better at night.

I can’t turn my brain off. Yeah, well, you know, it’s funny because typically, that’s how I am, is I don’t sleep a whole lot, and my brain is constantly churning and doing stuff. I was literally just so maxed out from all of this because he said it was the equivalent of running marathons back to back every day. And he said that, like, the physiological equivalent of doing a marathon every single day for three and a half days. And I’ve never done that, but I would imagine it’s. And to be fair, I won’t be doing that. But, yeah, it’s not really in your wheelhouse.

But now, do you notice the difference between where you are? I mean, did it make move the needle for you? In your ability to be creative and scientific and analytical, you know that it’s that sweet spot where those curves cross. Actually, the thing I noticed is, I’m sure it enhanced it to a degree. It made it easier. It wasn’t so much that I think it really, you know, kind of hitting, hitting, say, let’s say on a scale of one to 100, I’m able to go to an 85 or a 90. It doesn’t make me getting to an 85 or 90 any more 85 or 90.

It just means I’m able to do it without exaggerating the effort that I used to put in. It’s a lot easier to do it. Whereas before, it would take a lot of effort to get to the point where I was like, okay, I’m in the zone. I feel creative. I’m in a flow state. I’m really crushing it analytically and intuitively now. It just sort of happens as opposed to having to really work at it, you know, which is a, which is, I think, a much better way to arrive there. It just. It’s literally, I mean, everybody talks about flow states, but it actually just kind of flows as opposed to feeling like you have to fight it.

And one of the other things is, you know, the neural Rx, this stuff. It was the first time that I had actually had an external, like, clinical validation because one of the things was measuring output. So it’s evoked potential, so evoke neural potential, and it’s literally like the electrical potential that your neurons are exhibiting to fire. And I was one day, I had taken, you know, two tablespoons of neural because I knew it was going to be a really intense day, and my levels were just. I could not hit a peak point that they were able to measure with the evoked potential.

The next day, I didn’t have any. And I was on the same, same program that I was on the previous day, and it went up, and then it locked on the second screen, and it wouldn’t go past that at all. And the previous day, it literally never stopped. It would level up, then go to another level up, go to another one. And so I asked Drew, you know, what’s the skinny here? And he said, oh, you just hit your level. And I thought, that seems weird. So I literally had the bottle close by, so I reached over and grabbed it and took a big swig.

And about 19 ish minutes later, literally, the levels went. It allowed you to go further, and it just kept going. I was like, damn, that is. It was. It was really cool. I mean, I know, because I’ve taken this stuff for a couple of years that you really do mentally have more juice when you do that. But it was still pretty awesome to actually, like, see it clinically validated with, you know, a digital readout that could tell me, like, your evoke potential was this. Now, your evoked potential is this. I mean, honestly, if you’re preparing, let’s say you’re in a lawyer preparing for a case, or if you’re a student, take.

You need to go take the Gre or the GMAT or something. Oh, heck, yeah. You should be. This would really help you when you’re studying. Yeah. So, for me, yeah, if I have, like, a crazy thing, like, a while back, I had to write a patent in one night, and it was like this crazy, demanding thing, and I literally had a day to do it, so I knew I wasn’t going to sleep. That was kind of a given. So I took neuralrx, and then I took phenylpiracetam and a thing called neuroforce, which is by a company called natural stacks.

And those three things, that’s like my, you know, I don’t do it very often. I’ve only done it maybe five or six times, but it literally, it’s like somebody turns the lights on and everything goes into high depth. So if you were Biden and you’re preparing for this debate, I probably have it take your neurx. But, I mean, this neural ax would make them. I mean, this is something that somebody like. Well, I actually developed that for people with Alzheimer’s. That’s. That was the intended purpose, was to help people that have cognitive impairments. And it works.

I mean, it’s great. If you don’t have a neural deficit and you’re not massively cognitively impaired, then suddenly you have access to a lot more resources. That’s what that evoke potential test showed, is that quite literally, the output potential of your brainstor gonna go up. And, I mean, that was pretty awesome. But if somebody really has a big task, I wouldn’t say just that. I really would. I would stack it with phenyl paracetamol and then that neuroforce stuff, because that. I mean, after about a decade of working on nootropics and looking at it, the three of those things in combination, that’s the jam.

I mean, it would be great if I developed those other products. I would be very proud and pat myself on the back. But I, you know, fair being fair, that company that has the neuro force stuff, it’s awesome. It’s basically, it’s a photodiesterase inhibitor called forskolin root and then another thing called the artichoke extract. And when you take those things in combination, it changes your input output potential neurally. So you can actually access more things than you normally would be able to access. If you are like so many others, you need more energy to get through the day.

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There’s coleracetam, aniracetam, pramaracetam paracetam. Phenyl paracetamol. Phenyl paracetamol is by far and away the strongest. It’s about 50 times stronger than any of the others. The problem is it’s so intense that your body notices that there’s been this huge output shift. And so if you do it more than a couple times in a row, you’re never going to get the effect again. Your body actually wants it. Yeah, it’s probably the good. It’d be like one of those things that before you have to go do this really public debate, you do it, but you wouldn’t. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Like before, like you could do your stuff daily just to help. Yeah. And then, and then, and then when you have to take the act, you would do the combination. Yeah, when actually, when my son was taking the act because my oldest, I think, took the SAT and my youngest took the act when he was going in for that. It’s exactly what I did is I made sure he was stacked up a neural that had the neuro force and then also had the paracetam because it was, and he got a 35, so he didn’t, he didn’t do too poorly on it.

So, you know, he’s a smart kid, but definitively it helps, you know, and that’s, I mean, just like if you were doing any other performance thing, like I know you and I have talked about this stuff. But this is the oxygen water that I just released, and it’s under a different company. It’s called inhale, but it’s basically something that changes the way you metabolically function. Right. So, like, normal water has eight parts per million oxygen, and this has closer to 100 parts per million, which is kind of technically. It was actually fun to figure that out.

And you’ve seen the safety third shirt that I wear with the beaker with the explosion on it. Okay. That actually, my staff made those, because I blew up the lab in the process of trying to figure out how to make this stuff. So I was in my infinite quest for trying to figure out, like, strange and cool stuff. I see you doing that. Yeah, well, I really did. I mean, it was kind of dangerous. I actually. Luckily, I was in the lab by myself, but I sent shrapnel flying out everywhere. It blew out the wall, blew a hole in the ceiling.

Shrapnel flew through the lab, cut the gauges off. Lucky you’re still alive. Yeah. Yeah. I always tell people it was like if they’ve ever seen the movie pulp fiction where, you know, Sam Jackson looks around and he’s like, there are bullet holes all around him, and he’s like, that’s kind of how I felt. So what I was doing is I figured out how to increase the compression rates in water, and which is doable. Actually, the way I did it was, I was thinking, what has the highest compression in nature? And it was, well, black holes. So how do I mimic that in a fluidic system? So I did that, and I totally, like, rigged this up in the lab, and it was, admittedly, parts purchased at Lowe’s and some things from a garage sale.

And I found everything I needed just to see if it would work. And it worked. But then I got the genius idea of if I can do it with oxygen, I bet I could do that with hydrogen. And because nobody had been able to really do that, so I tried it with hydrogen. Turns out Hindenburg waterworks is probably not a good idea. So I literally just, like, blew everything to pieces and, like, sent, you know, aluminum shrapnel from the. I used an aluminum pressure cooker for part of it, and when it. When it went, it exploded and just went everywhere.

And it. It was a bad. You almost killed yourself. Okay, so in the quest of doing something good, you almost killed yourself. But, yeah. What does this do? Because I think athletes or anybody could do it, but it’s kind of expensive to do it every day, right? I mean, it’s for, like, athletes. If you’re going to do. Yeah, I actually, if you’re going to be doing your workout, it. Go ahead. Yeah, it’s like a, between three and $4, I think, is, you know, what it’s sold at for a can. And it basically. So it’ll increase your vo two max.

And the, the first thing you notice, like, if you’re a. If you’re downing a can of it, and I sent you the images from the clinical data, we are going to put that up. Right? Yeah. That’s actually really cool. Yeah. Explain what this blood does or what you were looking at. So what happens is a lot of times, because we’re sort of in an EMF soup most of the time, and we have a lot of toxicity in our body. Your blood forms these things that everybody just calls coin rolls. And really, it’s the red blood cells aggregate and they stick together.

They should actually be distributed and free floating and do all this stuff, but they kind of start sticking together and they stack. And when they stack like that, they can’t transport oxygen as well, and they can’t move nutrients around your system. Like, you really just don’t get power the way you’re supposed to get power. And so when you drink the water, the additional oxygen separates them and allows them to ionically spread. And so it’s interesting. I don’t know if, if you remember this. A couple years ago, I was working on a project that was all to do with ozone.

So this company, company reached out to me and they wanted to see if they could do the equivalent of ozone therapy in a pill. And I actually told them I didn’t think it was possible. I was wrong. It actually was possible. But in the process, I was doing all this research on ozone. And the woman who seemed like she was kind of the best in terms of dealing with ozone, there were a couple of really good doctors in the US, and there was this woman named Silvia Menendez in Cuba. And because Cuba had been blocked off via sanctions, they didn’t really have a lot to work with.

So she kind of went deep on all the therapeutics that she could develop using ozone, because she could treat her patients with ozone. And so she came up with the idea, you know, the effects, they pull the blood, and then they inject ozone into it, and it changes the color. It’s called autohemotherapy. So you pull your blood, you inject a couple cc’s of ozone into it, about 100 cc’s of ozone into it, and it changes the entire color of the pint of blood, right? It turns beautiful, bright, cherry red. It’s very oxygenated. And then they reintroduce it in your body.

Now, everyone said it’s because of ozonides, right? It sets up this cascade. Once it’s reintroduced, your mitochondria upregulate, you have more energy, your inflammatory response drops, and you feel good for a couple days. And I’ve done the autohemotherapy thing, and it’s true. You really do. You feel much better for a few days. And so Sylvia nitis said that, well, it’s because of these things called ozonides. It sets up cascade molecules that kind of let your body respond over the course of a couple days. So it isn’t just because of the molecules that have been introduced, because ozone is about the third most reactive species.

And I. It’s. All of the ozone is gone. The moment you introduce it to the blood, it’s literally gone in milliseconds. And so because of that, it leaves all of this free, available oxygen. And that’s why your blood turns this really beautiful cherry red color. Well, she was working with ozone, so she named those ozonides and everybody, and, you know, kind of scientifically, because it’s in the literature, we just all called it ozonides. Well, when I was doing the first round of testing with this, the image that shows in the blood, I very quickly realized that, and I should have snapped to it when I was working on ozone.

But you just assume, like, if you’re working with a thing, something is a direct consequence of that thing. It’s not actually true in this case. It’s kind of a misnomer. It should have probably been called, like, oxonides or something like that, because the cascade molecules that are the signaling effects, that’s not actually coming from ozone, because the ozone, as I said, it’s so molecularly active that it’s spent in a matter of milliseconds. But what you’re left with is all of this oxygen. And our bodies run on oxygen, and we have, as it turns out, all these mechanisms to sense the sudden increase in the oxygen concentration systemically.

So when our body senses that, it sends out all those cascade molecules and everything rebalances. Because when I made the water before the doctor sent me those clinical images, I just assumed that the reaction would happen. You’d get the oxygen in your system, it’d be good for a couple minutes, and you’d be done. Not true. It sets up that same cascade because you get this sudden burst in oxygen and it sets up all those cascade molecules so your blood actually fans out. So the image that I sent you, that’s 30 minutes after drinking a can. So if you were going to be, let’s say I’m going to be playing in a soccer game or a hockey game or I’m doing something physical, running a marathon, when would you want to, or even working out, when would you want to take it? Like 20 minutes before then.

So it depends on what you’re going for. If you’re going for performance. Yeah, if you’re, if you’re working out. I wouldn’t take it before. I would take it after because it will speed your recovery cycle if you’re doing something competitive. I would 100% take it before they actually, they just used it at the NFL combine. That was the first, the first place it was actually tried. And what. So the NFL what, how did you get feedback on that? Yeah, I did, actually. There are a lot of people who have now signed up and are signing contracts to be, like, reps and affiliates and all that stuff, but it, and it’s true, like, one of the universities that was trying it out, all of their running backs are now starting to use it, and it’s one of the, you know, it’s kind of a weird thing, right? So after I developed it, I was, I was actually, I had just finished working out.

I was, like, super, super winded, and I have never had this experience from anything else. And I’ve tried, like, hiking in Colorado and using one of those little oxygen bottles because I thought that might help because I’m from a low elevation. I was suddenly in Boulder and I was going to go hiking and I was completely dying. And so I got one of those little oxygen canisters and didn’t do much right. But I had just finished working out and I was completely winded and I had a can of this stuff, and I cracked it open, and I really wasn’t expecting this to happen.

It was weird. I downed the can and I was panting. I mean, I was so winded. I was like. And then in the middle, literally in the middle of a breath, I went and I was no longer winded. I was like, what the hell is that? It was just a weird sensation because I had never felt anything like that. So upon, like, further digging, I realized that when you ingest that, it goes in and it hits the renal portal vein and goes right into your blood. But your body’s feedback loop is so quick that if you don’t need additional oxygen, I mean, that’s the reason you’re breathing hard is you’re trying to reoxygenate your blood so it can hit your tissues and get in your muscles.

And if you don’t need it, you’re not breathing hard, like, literally instantly. It’s a bizarre sensation to have your respiration stop mid cycle, but that’s exactly what it does. I want to cause that and then do it to feel 100%. Like, that’s actually. That’s one of the reason people are kind of getting into it now, and I think it’s starting to really spread, is because all the athletes that we sent it out to at first to try it out, the feedback was awesome, like, and you can see it’s. There’s a fellow who’s one of the track athletes at.

Oh, it’ll come to me in just a second. It’s not Syracuse, it’s one of the. One of the ones up there, but they’re going to start using it and I asked them to send me the test data, because normally when you’re running sprints, you’ll have. Your first run is quick, your second run is the fastest, and then you taper off on the third. My supposition with this, and I’ll let you know the next time we look back, because may or may not happen, is that the first run will be quick, the second run will be quicker.

And then I told him to drink the can before the third run. And my guess is the third run will actually be faster because it’s like you just literally have more access to fuel. And that’s, you know, your Vo two Max goes up, you can suddenly utilize the oxygen. And it’s interesting because I just read an article from a professor at McGill who was bashing the concept of oxygen water and saying that, you know, you’re better off just taking an extra breath, which, you know, a little bit not accurate. But the rationale. I mean, I understand the rationale just in terms of, like, the amount that you bring in, but it’s not accurate because if you can get it to drop directly through your renal portal vein into your bloodstream, you suddenly have access to all this stuff.

And. I know, but this is different. This is a different oxygen. Well, I actually. So when I was going to do this, after I had come up with this, I wanted to see what everybody else had done, and so I bought literally every oxygen water that I could find, like flavored ones, unflavored ones, and so other people had done basically kind of the same idea. And the two. The two that I thought would be the best were one called ofora and one called cocoon. And Ofora was actually pretty legit. Like, it hit about 40 parts per million and seemed pretty stable.

And so that’s. And I read their patents, too. Like, they. They did a pretty decent job of it, but that was kind of where it capped out, and you can do so, so much more. The other one was cocoon, and they kind of specialize in oncology, and they recommend that people who are going through cancer use it. And that actually makes a lot of sense. Like, they have a doctor in Hungary is where most of their research comes from. And they have a clinic in vegas where they have these baths, and it’s kind of like a.

An oxygen water bath. And you lay down in the bath and the oxygen perfuses through your dermis into your body. And I. And I know that that actually works. Even Gary Brecker was talking about that a while back. He thought the same thing that I did initially, which is there’s no way that’s going to work, but it actually does work, because if you get very, very small nanoscopic bubbles, it goes in just fine. Well, I could see this being a game changer for the Olympics and for. I mean, for athletes everywhere and just every people everywhere, but athletes.

It could change the game at the Olympic level. Yeah, it definitely could. I mean, I’ve worked. That’s why Olympic serum is called Olympic serum is because I did it for Olympic athletes. Yeah, I suppose it could. Wow. You got to keep me posted on where this research goes, but I want to talk to you because I just did a docu series on this gets pretty. A little bit dark now on my control and fifth generation warfare. It is. But one of the things that we’ve learned is that nutritional deficiencies and toxicity of aluminum, other things. But nutritional deficiencies make you more susceptible to mind control.

And you have taken. You have the new vitamins, and everybody needs to get their vitamins but you, along with quantum, because I work with Leela Quantum service, you fused their service and their product and yours and super pumped up the effectiveness of vitamins. Can you talk about that? Because I saw the charts you showed me zinc and other things. I was like, holy crap. Yeah, well, that’s one of the things is. So I try and do, like, really good scientific validations for a lot of other people. And a lot of times, unfortunately, when people tackle on quantum, nine times out of ten, it’s utter b’s.

It’s b’s. Yes. And that’s you know, I mean, it’s because I almost don’t like to use that word. Because of that. I am reluctant, however, when you’re dealing with something and you’re actually operating at that scale, the testing, I mean, that’s why I do all the validations and the testing is because I want to show it and just be like, super open and go, okay, this is compound one. This is the same compound, but quantum charged. Here’s how they’re different and they’re profoundly different. And if they weren’t, I’d be the first person to say, because when I first did those validations ages ago, to look at the quantum effects, I didn’t think it was going to happen.

Like, I was a bit of a naysayer, but after doing it, I was like, well, okay, I obviously don’t understand something because there’s an effect. A significant effect. Yeah. Sorry. Okay, you’re good. But you showed me some charts that just zinc, the difference of zinc before and after the quantum. I’m going to put that picture up. What are we looking at? Okay, so if somebody, somebody take, like, if you put that picture up, they need to screen capture it, because the first graph, it’s actually showing the reduction oxidation potential, which is basically like, how much can something interact, like, ionically interact with your body? And what’s weird about that is it looks like there’s just one orange line.

And we even did this for the first time. We were talking on the phone. I texted it to you and I said, okay, now you have to blow up the image because it just looks like there’s an orange line. Yeah. I was like, what do you mean? But what am I looking at? And there’s a blue line behind it. Yeah. I took batch of the zinc, scooped out two vials from the same batch of zinc, ran the oxidation potential. It’s identical. That’s why the line prove that your baseline is the same. Yeah, exactly. To set a baseline, they’re identical.

Then I didn’t do anything else. I put one in the block, left one out on the counter, and then I went back and ran the oxidation potential again, and they were completely different. And I was like, what? So. And the first. The first time I actually did that test was February of 2021. And I remember because when I got the data back, I was just looking at it like a dog that had heard a new sound because it was kind of a, you know, it didn’t make sense, right? Because I like, if I run an, you know, like a gcms or a gas chromatograph.

Like, when I look at it, it says, this is zinc. That’s it. Right? And I run the other one. It says, this is zinc. Same thing, right? Came out of the same fat, same thing. But then when I look at the way that they’re functioning, they’re entirely different. Like, suddenly, magically, they’re entirely different. I’m like, okay, well, how does that work? And I still don’t. I have some theories that are kind of. I’m testing out. But what’s weird about it is our technology right now, right? If I run a spectroscopic analysis on something, it will tell me, this is zinc.

Okay, great. In both cases, it says, this is zinc, but not exposing it to a different air, not exposing it to electrical fields, and not exposing everything other than setting it in the center of a quantum block, it entirely changes the way that it functions. And that sounds weird, but what’s truly weird is that. So, I did this with a bunch of different compounds, and they all changed. And then another guy I talked to, Philip, the fellow who runs Leelaq, and Philip had another scientist run it, and they did ten compounds, and this is the same thing I saw.

And this is where it gets weird. All of the compounds changed, but not all in the same direction. It always changed in the direction that made it more effective biologically, which is amazing. That’s where it’s kind of hard to wrap your brain around, right? It’s like, okay, if it all went in the same direction, that would be something where I could say, okay, there’s an effect, and it’s changing electrons because of this or this or this. But every time out of ten, it went in the direction that would make them more biologically active. That’s weird. And my personal take on that is because there is some sort of overarching intelligence, if you will, that really understands how things function.

And that was one of the things that, when we did the experiments on quantum at a distance to see can we affect things at a distance? And I did it in a double blinded fashion. That was when I really kind of, like. It was sort of like the fog part, and I was like, oh, my God. There is some sort of connecting underlying intelligence between everything. Like, I don’t know what that intelligence is. I don’t even want to posit an idea. But I can tell you there would be no way to do the same experiment five or six times, get the same outcome every single time when they’re all double blinded.

And, you know, it just. It’s. I think it’s God. I think that the scientists that get to the edge of science start to figure out that science proves that God exists. I mean, it’s just. It’s God, but keep going. Well, yeah, I actually. I mean, I always just say, you know, consciousness of the universe, or you can say God. I mean, all of those things, I think, are. I mean, I think they’re kind of synonymous with the, you know, some sort of overarching, pervading intelligence that connects everything, you know? Yeah, and. And it’s a little bit weird, but truly, like, the actually, the best scientists I know, there’s kind of like this median point where you get the guys who are really good.

And in general, I think there’s a lot of questioning and agnostic kind of approaches to things. And I was actually, I was super diehard agnostic for the longest time. But then after seeing enough things and experiencing enough things, I kind of went, okay, well, that ship has sailed. I am wrong. And, you know, I need to reassess. Well, I mean, that’s that all the top scientists, I think, have come to those conclusions. Yeah, there is sometimes I really. It’s kind of funny, because my dad and I joke about this a lot, is the more I get into things, the more I feel like a thousand part machine trying to understand a trillion part machine.

Like, I can see definitively patterns in places that most people aren’t seeing patterns, but they’re so complex. Like, it’s just, it’s like this stuff, right? If you look at a compound, you say, yes, it’s still the same compound, but it has all of these different properties. What I liken that to you, like, I give people the analogy. If I say, look, I hand you a suitcase, you know, it’s a suitcase. It’s filled with gyroscopes. Okay? Walk down a hall, take a turn, no problem. But if I hand you the same suitcase and every one of those gyroscopes is.

Their gyroscopes is spinning full speed. You run down the hallway and try and turn left, it’s going to have a different effect. The way we are technologically right now in the 21st century. I can look at it and go, it is this molecule. What I can’t tell you is the electrons are spinning in this direction or they’re going in this direction. It’s a lot of that’s Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, which is basically saying that if you understand something’s direction, you’re not going to understand its speed. And if you understand its velocity, you’re not going to understand where its terminus is going to be in terms of the space.

Which is the good joke about this is Werner Heisenberg is driving down a road and gets pulled over by a traffic cop. And the traffic cop says, do you know how fast you’re going? He goes, no, but I’m headed home. The guy goes, you clocked in at 75 miles an hour. And he goes, great, now I’m lost. The nerd joke about Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle. But that is funny, that stupid jokes and scientists say, keep going. Yeah, but that’s the thing is, technologically, we’re always trying to push things forward, and unfortunately, we can tell you what something is, but there are certain things that, subatomically, we just can’t measure it yet.

Right? Like, can I definitively say, oh, the quarks are moving in this direction? No, but I guarantee you, if the outcome of a quirk moving in a certain direction didn’t have any impact, there would probably not be any quarks. Right? So we have, you know, something that’s strange moving in a direction. And I use the word strange because of the quark, but we can’t actually determine that yet. We’re just not there. Right? Not to say we won’t be, because I think it’s people that are doing the same stuff I’m doing. We’re in a lab. You have access to all this analytical stuff, and you run it and you go, okay, this is great.

It tells me what something is, but it doesn’t tell me how it reacts, and it can’t tell me why it’s reacting differently. Like, I know it’s happening, but I still don’t know why. Is it the electron spin? Is it polarizing something? I mean, there’s all these. There’s all these effects that it could be. And I’m trying to figure him out. I don’t know yet. But that’s actually. That’s the exciting part to me, is not what I can look up on Google that has already been done, but stuff where you’re like, okay, why is this happening? And I’m sure you’ve heard me say this, but it’s like, if you.

Unfortunately, this is kind of the way science works. If you dropped an apple a thousand times and 999 times it fell to the ground, and one out of the thousand times, it literally hovered in the air. Most science, the way it’s done, now you go, now that’s an anomalous result. Let’s just take that to statistical outlier throw it away. What I would do if I saw an apple hovering in the air when I dropped it was go, what the heck just happened? Right? And try and pull the thread, like very open mindedly say, obviously, there’s something that I don’t understand.

May not happen every time, but it’s happening at least some of the time. It’s kind of my job as a scientist to figure out what that is, push the knowledge forward, and maybe I’ll never get it. But I went to see one of the guys who got the Nobel Prize for carbon 60, right? Because I work in a lot of carbon 60 stuff. So I went to see Bob Curl at Rice a couple years back, before he passed, and we were talking, and it was very obvious to me, I don’t know, that he had this perception because he was the giant on whose shoulders I was standing, right.

But I was entirely humbled, because all of the research and the neuralrx and the stuff for cancer, all these things that I’ve been able to help people with and develop, I wouldn’t have been able to do a damn bit of that had it not been for, you know, Croto and curl and Smalley and, you know, and Professor Kroll, he was, like, super nice, really humble old, you know, he was octogenarian and just a very humble old scientist who was a really badass chemist. But I was standing on the shoulders of giants. And likewise, if I do my best work, there will be a lot of things that I never get to the bottom of, right? It will be some new, younger person who’s smarter, who has access to better analytical gear or new tests that have been devised, you know, and that’s kind of the plight of science, right? Is you can theoretically come up with things, and it may be I might not ever live to see.

A lot of the things that I theorize actually come to fruition, because we just simply don’t have the tech to do it right. The best spectroscopic stuff I have now, it’s not telling me why I’m seeing what I’m seeing. It’s, you know, telling me, using multiple instruments, that, yes, this is definitively in effect, it’s better biologically, and it has this potential. Awesome. Still can’t tell me how, you know, and, I don’t know, maybe ten years, 20 years, 30 years from now, somebody will have, you know, a quantum ometer, and maybe all that will do is measure the direction of spin of some particle that’s, you know, sub subatomic, that’s, you know, who knows? We just don’t know.

Right. That’s right. And it’s the best thing to do is just keep things moving forward in a pro human way. And, yeah, you know, it’s always in that way. And then because we have to. Because the bad guys are coming up with stuff, too, so we got to keep your point, right. You got to keep people healthy. And that’s, I mean, that’s. I mean, I’m beating the same drum that I know you are is that’s why I’m doing things like baseline things like vitamins and nutrients and stuff to combat, you know, exogenous toxins in your body and, you know, all the carbon 60 stuff, just things that legitimately move the needle to help people.

The vitamins thing is, I’m scratching my own itch because I wanted that. Right. And so I’ll be able to sell a better product for a lower price because I’ll be able to sell, you know, and get a more pronounced effect with something that’s less expensive. Well, hopefully people go ahead. No, just so hopefully it’s more accessible to more people. Right. Like, that’s kind of been, one of the things that I’ve been trying to do is, like, even though you don’t notice it, like, the cost of carbon 60 has gone up a lot over the past couple years.

And I know you know that because, you know, most of the guys that work with it, but I’m still trying to ratchet things down so we can do it for less and less and less and less. And I know there’s some other people doing the same thing, then that’s kind of what we need to do. Because if you want to make a big dent, you’ve got to make it accessible for the average person. Right? That’s right. Because if it’s only vitamins 1% of the society, then it’s not really making it difference. And that’s what we got to do is get it out to a bigger group.

And anybody that’s interested in buying any of the stuff that we’re talking about today, whether it’s the water or the vitamins and or mitochurerx, which is another product that you sell, I’ll have the links below for people, or they can go to sarahwestdall.com under shop and get all that. But I mean, I just love talking to you because I learned so much. We get to talk because I’m really into innovation right now because. Because I. We have to be because of what we’re seeing and what’s it’s if you’re going to be fighting a war against. Against an opponent, if they’re fighting with machine guns and tanks, you can’t be coming in with bows and arrows.

I mean, you have to be, you know, you got to use the best you got. Oh, excuse me for one sec. Sorry. Oxygen testing equipment on my desk. They needed it. Yeah, I agree, actually, what comes to mind when you say that is, have you ever seen the image of the fellow who’s using a shield against one of the water cannons? And it’s actually. It’s hilarious as an image because he’s just a guy with one of those, you know, big police protective shields, and they’re firing a water cannon at him, which is basically a fire hose.

And he’s just standing like this. You know, his feet are braced and water shooting everywhere. And it’s just kind of funny because that. That is sort of what you’re up against when you’re trying to. When you’re trying to help a populace where at just about every turn, they’re being damaged by bad food, bad light, bad emfs, bad this. You know, I mean, chemically and electromagnetically, we are under assault. I mean. Yeah, and maybe we’ll get to a point where we can get to the source and we can start fixing it. The source. We’re not under assault, but until then, this is what we got to do.

Well, you know what’s funny about that, and this is maybe me being ever the optimist, is all of that stuff, like the electromagnetic waves and things that people. You know, I just heard a professor say this a couple days ago. It was like, well, it’s been scientifically proven that emfs don’t do anything to people. That is so ridiculous. That’s like. That’s literally akin to saying it’s been scientifically proven that microwaves won’t warm a hot dog, or it’s scientifically proven that cigarettes are good for you. They said that for years. Well, lucky this doctor’s favorite brand, you know, I mean, that’s.

That’s right. That’s. That’s what the equivalent is. Yeah, it is. It’s like, how easy is it to co op science? Well, you. You pay for it, right? You just put the bill. I mean, ask Harvard their opinion on sugar. Just saying, you know, I mean, it doesn’t really matter what the institution is. It can be, unfortunately, co opted. That’s. That’s actually. That’s one of the reasons. Like, and I think, you know, this is, like, for. I guess I’ve been working with the Leela guys for five or so years. Awesome. They’re just awesome. They really are. They’re good people.

And when I first started doing the testing, I. Again, I just thought it was not going to be real. And sure enough, it was real. And so, literally, I have volunteered. I’m their chief science advisor and have done countless experiments, gone around, lectured on it. I’ve never gotten paid a penny at all. Right. And the reason is? The reason is scientific validity, in my opinion, goes up if there’s not a financial concern. Right. The moment you have, like, some financial concern about, like. That’s right. I’m gonna. I’m gonna say that this works. If this doesn’t. A lot of people think like, oh, you know, you’re paid by this company.

No, I’m not. It’s actually kind of a pain in the ass because it takes a lot of time and a lot of thought and a lot of experimentation to validate what’s going on. But I also kind of feel like it’s incumbent upon you, if you have the capacity to understand, see, and test that stuff, to kind of move it forward. Right. Because a lot of times, there are a lot of scientists who will literally look at something like that and go, that’s B’s. That can’t be. Well, and admittedly that, you know, I mean, you may start out with that kind of as a little bit of a hold off and kind of a standout of, like, I don’t know.

We’ll see. But when you do the test and you get the result, you go, hmm, okay, you do it again, you get the result. Do it the third, the fourth, the fifth time, you get the result. Every time, you go, okay, obviously, I don’t get it. And I think, unfortunately, if you have a financial interest in saying that something is working, you’re more inclined to do that. Right. It’s that Upton Sinclair thing of, you’ll have a very difficult time convincing a man to understand something he’s paid to not understand. And I think the converse of that works as well.

Right? Yeah. You know, and the Leela guys, I just love them there. If people have this docuseries that’s airing on Brideon, anybody that gets the buys the set gets a free month trial of Leela just to see if it works for you. Yeah. And, you know, some people, it’s profound and they feel it. Some people never feel it. I was at a conference, and a fellow literally had an apple Watch on. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. So there was this fellow named Larry and we were at a biohacking conference, and I came in in the morning, and he called me and said, hey, ayn would come over and check this out.

And I said, yeah, what’s up? And he said, every time I walk across the room, my heart rate goes up 20 beats a minute. Okay? And he said, I don’t understand that. I said, it’s because we have the new 8th generation lilablock out on the table. It’s the quantum block. And he goes, I don’t understand. I said, well, think of it as energy flowing through a line. It’s a voltage that your body isn’t attuned to yet or used to. So it’s kind of like if you plugged in a cord and instead of running 110 through your normal lamp cord, you ran 220 through it.

Well, it’s too much voltage, right? It’s going to heat up because there’s resistance on the line. Your body’s kind of the same thing. You can do things to kind of ameliorate that, like drink a lot of water, kind of chill yourself out, you know, relax, kind of breathe into it, but it’s still a little too much. And the way that expresses physiologically is your heart rate increases. So. And we did it multiple times. We’d walk over, go up, walk back, drop down, walk over, go up, walk back, drop down. And it was bizarre to him that there was like a tangible.

Right. It just. He couldn’t feel it. He had no idea what it was. But once we did that over and over and over, he knew that that’s what it was. Because when he’d go over towards the block, heart rate would go up 20 beats a minute. And it’s always interesting when people see something tangible, like if they have a whoop or an apple watch or something like that, and they can look at it because it’s different. You don’t know exactly what’s happening. But again, it’s getting back to just the basic lack of definitive instrumentation. You know, it probably will be quite a while before somebody figures out what’s really going on, I’m sure.

More likely than not, just because all matters like this, it probably has something to do with spin and probably has something to do with coherence, right? Because coherence changes the amplitude of wave. And, you know, it’s like, because things are always pumping out waves. Or like, if you take the example of a light. So most things are like an incandescent light, right? The same number of emissive photons can come off of an incandescent light in all sorts of directions. But if you use a laser, what happens when you get it moving all coherently is that same photons are all moving in the same direction at the same rate with the same focal point.

And so, you know, the incandescent light might warm the hot dog that wasn’t able to be warmed in the microwave, but, you know, the, the laser will punch a hole through steel, same number of photons, just a different degree of coherence. And my guess is, when you’re looking at the vitamins or the minerals and you’re trying to see what it is, that’s actually different. My guess, and this is just a hypothesis, is that it’s something that probably has to do with coherence and or locking in of spin states of things so that they are moving in the same direction at the same rate at the same time.

Because when you do that, it’s my example of the gyroscope, right? If all these things are jumbled and not moving, or if they’re even in the, you know, this, the suitcase, and they’re jumbled and moving in different directions, there’s a negation of force. But if everything is moving in the same direction at the same rate at the same time, there’s a huge amount of angular momentum that’s confined inside that suitcase. So you’re not going to be able to move the way you would if it weren’t. And I think that’s probably what’s happening. But again, you know, maybe I figure it out.

Maybe I don’t figure it out. You know, at some point, somebody with a quantumometer, which will probably be available at, you know, Home depot 50 years from now, will, you know, like, oh, well, this food is good for you because it says x. And I think, I mean, not to be too kind of reductive, but when you’re a kid growing up and your mom makes food for you, the idea that it’s filled with love and it’s better for you, I think that actually has a lot of scientific validity. So. Yes. Yeah. Well, you know that babies, the ones that are held versus not held, develop significantly better.

Just the human touch just being held. I mean, there’s so there’s so much we don’t understand. Well, actually, with nursing women, they realized literally just a few years ago that if a woman expresses milk at night and then puts it in the freezer, and then she expresses milk in the morning and puts it in the freezer, then let’s say she is trying to put the baby down for a nap in the day and gives it, you know, the daytime stuff, it stays awake. If she tries to put it down at night to go to sleep and she uses the milk that was expressed in the morning, totally changes the endocrine profile.

The baby wakes up. Yeah. And the same thing with the stuff that was expressed at night. If they give it to the baby in the morning, baby goes to sleep. So you want to give them because you have you. You probably have more. You’re tired of. And so that expresses through the milk that you’re giving your baby. Yeah. It’s an entirely different set to learn that, because that would. That’s a strategy. Well, yeah. How long have. Again, this is how long have women been expressing milk and saving it for babies and not known that? I mean, we just literally figured that out a couple years ago.

Right. And it’s. It’s. It’s the scientific. I always learn so much. Every time I talk to you, there’s always these nuggets that I learned that I’m gonna sell. Like, there’s a far side cartoon. I probably read far too many of the farsighted cartoons, but there’s one where these two sharks are swimming up towards the shore, and everybody’s running out of the water, and one of the sharks is looking at the other one. He goes, dude, your dorsal fin is sticking up. I wonder how long that’s been screwing things up for us. And it’s, like, legitimately, that’s kind of how I feel a lot of times with the women expressing milk.

Right. Like, that’s been happening forever, and we just never really thought about it. Right. Because we’ve only had the ability to store the milk for, you know, the past century or so. And really, we’ve only had the ability to really dice down and look at the chemistry in it for the past, probably 15 years or so, and then somebody just happened to go, hey, wait a second. You know, but it’s been there the entire time. We literally just missed it. Right. We screwed it up. It made it worse for ourselves. We created this thing where we’re giving this baby this bond to wake up.

Yeah. It’s so bad. Women need to learn this. This is so good. Okay. And the last thing before we go. I know. I just want to talk about it quick because I know we did a whole show on it, on the mitochure rx, because the methylene blue is something that gives people energy. It’s not like, caffeine that mask this. It really does. Yeah, it’s really good. Temporary right. So it’s not something that you don’t want to. Something that they’re addicted to. Go ahead. Well, the reason I actually made that is the majority of it, the methylene blue, is great.

And, yeah, it’s an electron, a donor and an acceptor both. So it kind of does what your body needs. It’s sort of adaptogenic. But the real reason I used it is that if you use methylene blue, it affects. So your electron transport chain is broken down into different complexes, and you can affect complex one and complex two with methylene blue. And the majority of that capsule is made of a thing called urolithin a. And urolithin a triggers a process called mitophagy. And so your mitochondria that everybody remembers from, like, 8th grade, is the powerhouse of the cell.

And basically what mitophagy is, is it’s your body’s process to go in and break down, use macrophages and break down mitochondria. So it senses your body goes in and senses what mitochondria are damaged. And so the methylene blue is actually, in my formulation, used as kind of like a contrast agent, so it can see which mitochondria are the most damaged and then purge those the most rapidly. Right. So you start with the thing that’s absolutely the most broken. You get it out of your system. The energy boost is kind of a. It’s just a bonus, but it’s really, its intended purpose was to act as a contrast agent so your body could see what’s broken.

And how do I get it out the most efficiently? And then one of the other compounds is a thing called PQQ, pyrroleoquinoline, quinone. And that stimulates mitochondrial biogenesis, which is the fancy science way of saying you’re producing new mitochondria. But what’s different, and the reason I included that, is it doesn’t replace things on a one to one rate. It increases mitochondrial density. So if you take one out that’s damaged, normally your body would just replace it with one. The PQQ does is you take one out that’s damaged and it replaces it with 1.2 or 1.3 more.

So you end up with, of the 4 trillion, 4 trillion mitochondria, on average, that a person has, if you just do a one to one replacement, you’ll say, let’s say your mitochondria are operating at, just for sake of easy math, 80%. And you take them to 100% across all 4 trillion. That’s awesome. You just got this big bonus jump of 20%. You’re operating at total capacity, but if you can replace them at, say, 1.3. Right, so you’re operating at 80%, and you replace them with 1.3. Even if you’re still operating at 80%, you’re operating at a higher percentage just because of that additional 0.3, then you would be if you were operating at 100% perfect capacity.

And because it’s not terribly plausible that you’re going to operate at peak efficiency across all systems, systemically, that’s a fallacy that ain’t happening. But if you increase the density and you’ve got 1.3 of those to play with, so at the end of the day, you’ve got 5.2 trillion instead of 4 trillion. Rock on. Then you can operate at a much lower capacity. Your system will be more balanced, but you literally have more output energetically than you did if you were operating on your best day with all of the best resources and the best food and the best water.

And it’s just. It’s kind of my attempt to band aid things because, like I said, we’re always kind of biologically under assault. So the stuff I’m doing is trying to give you more resources biologically so that while you are contending with normal, everyday stuff, you’re buffered. Right. And you can take the hit and keep going, because there’s. I. You know, I worked with a company called Bulletproof a long time ago, and I really liked. They had great coffee, and I liked some of the stuff they did. But the concept always was funny to me because they called it bulletproof.

And then they had this whole list of, like, kryptonite foods and things that you shouldn’t, shouldn’t do. And it’s funny because I remember, like, the idea of Superman being bulletproof, not as in, you have to hide and go into a corner and try and take yourself away, but that you’re so robust that somebody shoots you, doesn’t matter. You know, it bounces. That’s what building your immune system’s all about. Yeah, exactly. And that. And that’s. I know. I had sent you the information on my friend Greg Fahey’s protocol, the Trimx protocol, and that’s the one that’s in FDA phase two clinicals.

And it’s the only thing that anybody’s seen so far that’s been able to reduce biological aging or have the hallmarks of reducing biological aging in humans. And they’re doing besides, like, telomere lengthening and c 60. But that actually is getting by the FDA process. Yeah, it’s actually. They did an actual trial, which I applaud those guys. I. Greg Fay, he’s a super sharp cryobiologist, and he’s done a lot of other really amazing work in terms of freezing organs and then being able to thaw them and reuse them, and has come up with some of the. Arguably the best processes in the world for doing that.

A really sharp cat. And Greg, if you look at him, is in his mid seventies, and he can still hit the ground and do like 90 push ups. And he doesn’t have the carriage of someone who’s in his seventies. Like, he’s walking the walk. Like, when you look at him, you’re like, really? I remember the first time he told me how old he was. We were at a conference in Boston, and I was flummoxed. Like, he does not appear to be. It’s primarily because of his carriage and his mannerisms. They just. They’re that of someone 20 years younger.

And he energetically, he’s great, and he’s mentally on point, and you can just see it. He’s. He’s aware. And so when I look at stuff like that, you know, that’s a. That’s an awesome protocol. I mean, you know, there are people that are moving the needle and doing things out there, you know, David Sinclair stuff. On the longevity front, Dave’s always, you know, pushing NMN and that kind of stuff because it makes a difference. Right. And I actually, like, I have an NMN thing. Why? Because it works, you know, I mean, there. There are a lot of those products that I’m just trying to scratch my own itch.

I want to be healthy and be strong, and I just keep making stuff. So it’s much easier to report if I sell it to other people, too. That’s right. You know, it’s like, gosh, I could. But longevity, it’s not about, you know, this transit, because I’m anti transhumanism when it comes to controlling us and all the other weird crap that they’re trying to do to it. But when it comes to living better, feeling better, having a better life as you get older, I think this is fantastic. I mean, that’s what it’s about. I mean, that is what it’s about, right? Is.

So I kind of feel, and I’ve said this before, like, when you have a weirdo skill set, like I do, that’s just kind of. I think what you’re supposed to do is. Right. Help move things forward so that people can live in a much better way, be healthier, be stronger, be sharper, because all of those things lend towards my ultimate goal of when people are biologically okay, they’re kinder. And when they’re kinder, that, too, is a wave that propagates and the world gets better. And there is, unfortunately, an absence, very often of just baseline kindness between people.

But when you put it there and you help them have the resources to get that, you know, you’re doing. You’re doing the world of solid. So that’s kind of. I agree. Well, thank you so much. This is always absolutely fantastic to talk. Truly a pleasure, as always. Yeah, it was great to see you. Thank you so much, Ian. You’re welcome. See you, sir. Bye.
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