➡ Joseph Bannister, a former IRS special agent, shares his journey from being an IRS agent to becoming a whistleblower. He exposes the IRS for deceiving the American people and committing fraud worth trillions of dollars over decades. This is the first part of a three-part series about his experiences, including confronting the IRS commissioner about the corruption in the income tax system. Despite attempts to silence him, Bannister continues to share his story.
➡ Joe, a former CPA, shares his experience of transitioning from the private sector to working as an IRS special agent. On his first day, he was closely monitored and guided by a seasoned agent. After being sworn in, he underwent extensive training in criminal investigation in Georgia, where he was elected class president. Despite his background in accounting, he found the IRS culture shockingly indifferent to understanding the law, as illustrated by his boss discouraging him from studying the Internal Revenue Code.
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➡ Joe, a former IRS criminal investigator, shares his journey from being a dedicated IRS agent to questioning the income tax system. His doubts began after hearing a radio show guest claim that federal income tax was voluntary. Intrigued and skeptical, Joe decided to investigate these claims, leading him to connect with various individuals who shared similar views. His journey highlights the importance of questioning and researching to understand the truth behind established systems.
➡ The text is about a person who worked long hours and had a busy life, but spent two years investigating the income tax system. They found evidence that suggested something was wrong with the system. They decided to confront their bosses at the IRS about their findings, even though they were worried about the consequences. They also wrote a book about their research and gave a copy to the IRS.
➡ Joe, a former IRS agent, found concerning issues within the agency and sought answers from his superiors. When they failed to address his concerns, he decided to resign, fearing that staying could tarnish his reputation. After leaving the IRS, he began to expose the agency’s fraud and corruption, despite attempts to silence him. His story is a unique example of standing up for truth and integrity.
➡ The text is a transcript of a call-in session where people ask questions about tax laws and procedures. The host reassures callers that they will be reimbursed if their money is forcibly taken by attorneys. Callers ask about specific tax situations, such as the Trump account and filing taxes for a new school. The host advises them on these matters, emphasizing that federal income tax primarily applies to residents of Washington, D.C., not the 50 states. He also encourages callers to stop income tax withholding and to consult with their team for further advice.
➡ The text is a conversation between a tax consultant and a client named Nick, who has received a tax proposal letter from the California Taxing Authority. The consultant advises Nick on how to challenge the tax proposal, which includes requesting a hearing and potentially appealing to the Office of Tax Appeals. The consultant also suggests that if Nick plans to leave California, the state will not be able to access his income earned outside of California. The conversation ends with Nick considering whether to hire the consultant’s firm to help him with his tax issue.
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➡ Nick asked about a notice he received, which included an optional quick resolution worksheet. He was told that filling it out is like filing a tax return. He was also advised that he could check a box to protest if he disagreed with the proposed assessment. This wouldn’t be considered a frivolous excuse, as it’s his right to protest. The conversation then shifted to a discussion about AI, with the speaker explaining that AI can give incorrect answers because it’s pre-programmed with certain information.

Welcome my friends to Freedom Law School’s Freedom Hour. This is Peymon Mottahedeh, the president of Freedom Law School. That’s freedomlawschool.org in this presentation tonight I have a very special guest for you. This man is not just an old friend of mine, he is a celebrated whistleblower. The first man ever with the IRS to come out and expose IRS fraud and deception of the American people for trillions of dollars for decades. And he has an incredible story to share with you about his career as a special agent with the IRS Criminal Investigation Division. Yes, those guys that put people in prison for taxes carry a gun.

He was one of them. So in this presentation you are get the first part of a three part series on his incredible journey from a gun carrying IRS special agent to whistleblower hero. Confronting the IRS commissioner himself at the top about the corruption, systematic corruption of the entire income tax system. To him leaving to the irs, try to silence him, put him in prison even. And failing, he still stood on top of his incredible story. You’ll hear. So be sure to watch part two and three which we’ll be doing in the upcoming weeks after this program.

So with that, help me wake up Mr. Joseph Bannister. Joe, welcome to being with me at the program, my friend. It’s great to see you. Thanks Fehmon, thank you for having me. It’s always a pleasure to be on your show. See you in person as we’ve done many years, many times over the years. By the way, Joe barris website is agentfortruth.com agent4truth.com because that’s the kind of man Joe Bannerson has been. So if you want to know the truth, he’s the agent that will get you to it. So without any further delay, let’s start. Joe, if you could tell our audience and about your background, you know, how you, you know, your family situation and you know, give us a rundown of how you, you know, after, you know, high school, what did you do, you know, maybe about your family a little bit and get to eventually become, you know, looking to get a job with the irs.

Thank you. Well, you know, Joseph Bannister is my real name. I was born and raised in San Jose, California. Middle class, Roman Catholic family. Baptized, born and raised a Catholic, still a Catholic Today, almost my 63rd birthday. And anyway grew up. I went to Catholic schools, Catholic elementary school, Catholic high school and then on to junior college in San Jose, San Jose City College and then from there to San Jose State University. I have three younger brothers. My mom and dad were married until death did they part. My father passed away just a few months before I was sworn in to the IRS Criminal Investigation Division back in 1993.

So, you know, pretty typical middle class upbringing. I went to San Jose State. Took me about five years, a five year plan to get through college. And when I graduated from college, I went ahead and pursued a CPA certificate. By the way. I was an accounting major at San Jose State. And so typically it’s not unusual for someone with an accounting degree to try to pursue becoming a certified public accountant, so a CPA. So I did that. I graduated in 1986 from San Jose State and from about, you know, 86 through 91, I worked in the accounting field.

Started out a very small firm founded by two partners who used to be managers at a firm called Pete Marwick, which for many years now has been known as KPMG and so worked there for about three years. It’s an international accounting firm and received my CPA certificate I think around 1990, 1991 timeframe. So during these four or five years after graduating, it took me that long to realize that, you know, maybe accounting wasn’t going to be very, very exciting career and I needed to spice up my career a bit more. So I decided to pursue a career in law enforcement and went ahead and, you know, did that.

I investigated which agencies were basically looking for people with an accounting finance tax background. And I settled on the Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI and also the IRS Criminal Investigation Division. And another reason besides the accounting field being a bit boring was that I had lots of relatives and friends who were either in government service or law enforcement. Government service. In fact, the next brother Banister brother down for me became a California Highway Patrol officer. And you know, at this point he’s actually retired. He retired as a lieutenant in the chp, California Highway Patrol. The next brother down worked in the Daly City Fire Department as a firefighter originally, and he’s risen to battalion chief in the Daly City Fire Department.

Still there, actually hasn’t retired yet. And then the baby brother, the fourth one down, Jeff, he just retired from the San Jose Police department after a 25, 30 year career as a police officer with the city of San Jose. So I take a break from talking, but I mean, that basically brings us up through college and choosing to an avenue of law enforcement and particularly federal law enforcement. So having that background in accounting that you had in formal education and also working in the field, what got you to look outside of that into becoming a special agent with the irises Criminal Investigation Division.

Well, the two brothers that I mentioned that were. That were police officers for a career that was uniformed police, right, The San Jose Police Department or the California Highway Patrol, and had a lot of other friends, a cousin who was in the Sacramento Police Department, friends that I grew up with that were in the San Jose Police Department. So basically I knew that there was a uniformed law enforcement route, but I figured that with my background in accounting, that more of a criminal investigator role would be more appropriate. And in fact, there was also a friend of the family who had spent a career as an IRS special agent.

And just for your listeners and viewers, as far as differentiating, the reason that they call a special agent special is because they have special duties that aren’t shared by other agents, say, within the irs. So the special means that you have powers of arrest, powers to execute search warrants, powers to carry a firearm, things like that. So where in the IRS you might have someone called a revenue agent or a revenue officer. My title in the IRS was Special Agent. And in fact, all the federal agencies, or a great majority of them, have a special agent position.

So when you see an FBI agent interviewed, a current one or a retired one, they’re almost invariably going to be an FBI special agent. The ICE agents that you see out there doing investigations, Immigration Customs Enforcement, they are special agents. So pretty much Secret Service, the agents that protect the President and others, they are special agents. So There’s a great 1811 series which makes you designated as the special agent with these powers of arrest, powers to execute search warrants, you know, powers to. To criminally investigate people. So being that there was this family friend who actually spent his career as an IRS special agent, and then that person who ended up becoming my boss years later, Bob Guerini, he also worked closely with other special agents in other bureaus like the FBI or the dea.

So through Bob, who was an IRS special agent, I was introduced to some of these other agencies, such as FBI, dea, Secret Service. The precursor to ICE was known as the INS for Immigration and Naturalization Service. They had special agents also. The Customs Service did. So anyway, there’s lots of choices, but I found that the I. My first Choice was the FBI. Again, this is back in the 1990s when Waco and Ruby Ridge and things like that were happening. But for many decades prior to that, the FBI had a pretty stellar reputation. So FBI was my first choice.

But I also applied to the IRS Criminal Investigation Division, primarily because this gentleman, Bob Guerini, you know, kind of sold me on, well, hey, you know, you know a lot about income tax. You’re a cpa. I think the IRS would be a good fit. And I’m thinking, well, gosh, I don’t know if I want to work for the irs, you know, but it turned out that the FBI had a hiring freeze. And even though I was fully qualified to be sent to Quantico to begin training and was basically waiting for that opportunity, the IRS had a hiring authority.

They were not affected by the hiring freeze. And the IRS offered me a position in August of 1993. So I went ahead and said yes, accepted that position, and By November of 1993, I was sworn in in the San Francisco office of the IRS Criminal Investigation Division to be a special agent. Well, and through that special agent career that you had, could you tell us a little bit about the training you got and how long you were for any special things you ever come across? People don’t file, pay income tax. Tell us a bit more about that, your tenure as a special agent, Joe.

Well, of course, prior to going to the irs, as I said, I did earn a CPA certificate and I worked in public accounting, as they call it, the KPMG International Firm, and also a couple smaller accounting firms. I was a controller in a venture capital firm in Menlo Park, California. So I had quite a bit of experience on the outside, so to speak, outside of government. And typically, most IRS agents, at least back then, probably still today, would graduate from college or high school, and they would go directly into the IRS and then come out into the private sector, if at all.

Whereas me, I was in the private sector to begin with and then went into the irs. So a little bit of a culture shock that I wasn’t prepared for when I went in to work for the irs. Anyway, typically, I imagine my. My experiences are pretty typical. Your first day on the job as an IRS special agent, of course, you’re eventually going to carry a gun, have a badge, do criminal investigations. But your first day on the job, when you’ve had no criminal investigator training, you don’t have a firearm because you haven’t been trained with one yet.

And so you basically just do. They kind of keep you under close watch so you don’t, you know, do anything stupid. And you have what’s called a coach, a person, a seasoned, experienced special agent who will, you know, kind of show you the ropes, perhaps take you out on some investigative trips, you know, to interview a witness and try to give you some experience. But I remember in my case, I was there a day or Two and I think I even wanted to just leave the office while, you know, during a work day. And they said, no, you can’t leave the office or talk with anyone because you have to go get sworn in.

You know, in other words, I had to go get sworn in to support and defend the Constitution. I had to take my constitutional oath before I could really do anything relating to my job. So I thought that was, you know, quite, quite interesting. So I was hired in the San Francisco office. And for those that know or don’t know the San Francisco Bay area, you have to go across the Bay Bridge to Oakland, where there’s another federal building. And that’s where I was sworn in, sworn oath to support and defend the Constitution. And then about a month or so after I was hired, then I was sent to Glencoe, Georgia to the Federal Law Enforcement Training center for an eight week criminal investigator training.

And that is a kind of a basic training that special agents from all the different agencies go to. Typically the FBI and the DEA train at the Quantico Training Facility in Quantico, Virginia, whereas most of the other agencies, you know, EPA and Secret Service and Border Patrol and ICE, and they all train at the Federal Law Enforcement Training center in Glencoe, Georgia. So that’s where I was sent in late 1993, early 1994, for an eight week training session. And there was also, well, interestingly enough, I was chosen or voted to be president of that training class.

And it was kind of funny the way that happened because I was sitting in this arena, kind of an amphitheater classroom, and I’m down at the bottom because my name is Bannister. So I’m at the beginning of the Alphabet and they asked for someone to volunteer to collect picture money, you know, money for the class picture. And I look around when they ask for a volunteer and no one’s raising their hand and I’m thinking, well, how hard could it be to collect picture money? I mean, all volunteers. I raised my hand and volunteered. And then the next question was, okay, well now we have to elect a class president.

And so out of 40 something people, the only person that raised their hand and got noticed by everybody was me because I volunteered to call, collect the picture money. So they ended up electing me class president. And so I was class president for the eight week session. And then when I came back for a second eight week session, we all had to come back for more specialized criminal investigator training. And at that point I was re elected class president for another eight weeks session. So took lots of Video and pictures. I was also kind of the class historic Dorian.

I was able to, to bypass any of the tax classes because I was already a certified public accountant. And with the tax training I already had, I basically wasn’t required to take the IRS training because as far as they could tell, I already knew the material. So there was about 16 weeks of that total training near the beginning, beginning of my career in 1993, 1994, and then it was, I think like March of 1994. I was fully trained, you know, at the firearm with all the criminal investigator training. And I was sent back to the San Francisco office to begin, you know, a full, expected a 20 year career with the IRS.

Eventually I was actually transferred from San Francisco back down to San Jose, which is where I was born and raised, where I grew up. And so mid-1994, I thought it was pretty cool that I’d become a federal agent, Federal federal criminal investigator in my hometown. And the IRS didn’t typically move agents around like the FBI, the Secret Service would. So I had this pretty cool law enforcement job right there in my hometown. So when we would do surveillances and investigations, I pretty much knew all my surroundings, all the way from San Jose up to San Francisco and everywhere in between.

And yet a very interesting experience, Joe, on your first day at the job, which relates to the. You opening up the Internal Revenue Code, the law, the bible of the irs, which is a very interesting aspect of your experience early on. Maybe, perhaps you can share that with the audience. Sure. So first day on the job, you know, as I said, I came from the outside. I wasn’t a government worker prior to then. And so, you know, I had the attitude and the ethics that, well, I’m getting paid, paid to do work. I should be actually working.

But as I mentioned, without any training and had barely taken the oath to support and defend the Constitution over in Oakland, I couldn’t really do much, but I didn’t want to do nothing, you know, twiddle my thumbs because I was getting paid. So I looked up on the shelf of my cubicle and I saw that there were, there was a volume of the Internal Revenue Code. And I forget if there were two or three big thick books at the time. Yeah, you’re holding it up. I think there was actually two or three volumes of the same code.

You’ve got it all in one bound volume. But yeah, that gives the viewers the idea. And so I thought, okay, well, I know that there’s certain sections of the Internal Revenue Code that deal with, with criminal violations of the income tax laws. So how about if I open, I crack open the Internal Revenue Code and begin to review those sections that I would be investigating and enforcing. So I cracked open the books and I was, you know, looking through and you know, basically like I was sitting at a library. And again, I had nothing else I could do because I would, wasn’t, I wasn’t allowed really to do anything else.

And so my boss at the time, who was a former Marine, you know, big, lot thicker mustache than I have, real gruff guy, and he comes over and he says, banister, what are you doing? And I just looked up at him sheepishly and said, well I’m just looking at the Internal Revenue Code, you know, some of the statutes that I’m going to be enforcing and investigating. And he said, close that book. You’re not a CPA anymore, you’re an IRS special agent. And I just thought, you know, as I mentioned about culture shock, I just thought it was really odd.

I don’t really think there’s anything like conspiratorial about it, but it just kind of shows the myopic, I don’t know, just close mindedness of somehow, you know, I was doing something wrong by looking at inside the Internal Revenue. I mean, your job will be to enforce a criminal federal tax laws here in the Internal Revenue Code book. And his boss is saying, don’t worry about the law. Don’t even try to understand any aspect of this voluminous books of laws that you are going to be paid, working full time to enforce. Don’t even crack it open, close it up.

We just tell you what you do, whether it’s lawful or not. Well, you have to just trust us. Basically. That’s kind of an attitude they have, which is kind of interesting because people don’t realize that these guys here at the IRS are ignorant of the law. They’re not taught the law, they’re just taught to do this, do that, the other. Whatever your boss tells you the law, let us at the very higher levels worry about that. So that’s kind of interesting, Joe. Now tell us how you got into the whole tax truth movement. How was it that you heard about the income tax system being a complete utter fraud on the American people and that got you to look into this direction that you eventually ended up leaving the irs.

Well, as I kind of mentioned, back when I was first sworn in, when I started the work at the IRS as a, as an IRS criminal investigator, a special agent was November of 1993. And so for about three years till around December of 1996, I had, you know, really the time of my life in terms of professional satisfaction. I was earned a certified public accountant certificate. So I was a cpa and I was a, you know, gun carrying, badge wearing, IRS criminal investigator, working in my hometown, making pretty good money, although I had to take a huge pay cut from the private sector when I went into the government.

But you know, eventually after those three years, I was able to work my way up the pay scale. And so I thought those first three years would be the first three years of a 20 year career with the IRS. And you know, a law enforcement career in the federal government can be as little as 20 years and then you’re, you’re out. So I started when I was about 30 and I would have been able to retire, you know, about 12, 13 years ago when I was 50, with a really nice retirement and lifetime benefits. And that was the expectation after the first three years there.

But in about December of 1996, about three years into my career, I was listening to a talk radio show in the San Francisco Bay area, as I typically did if I was out in my government car doing Investigations, listening to AM radio talk show. The call letters were KSFO. And you know, the radio station is still around 560 on the dial. And so there was a host on ksfo, his name was Jeff Metcalf. I spelled his first name a little bit different. G E O F F G Jeff Metcalf. And Jeff Metcalf had a guest on his show named DV Kid.

And her name’s also unusual. D, E V V Y last name Kid, K, I D D. And so DV Kidd is on Jeff Metcalf show and she’s talking about, among other things, the federal income tax and claiming that the federal income tax is voluntary. In other words, there was no mandate in the law, no requirement in the law to file tax returns and pay, I should say file income tax returns and, and pay federal income tax. And so I literally, when I heard her say this on the show, I was in my government car with my, you know, Sig Sauer 9 millimeter handgun on my hip and my handcuffs and I was out doing investigations and I heard her make these claims and I thought, wow, I always thought this Jeff Metcalf guy was pretty honorable and his guests had all kinds of truthful information.

And I was very impressed by how honest he was and how his guests always had details and information that were provable. They had evidence to back it up. But when he had DV Kidd claiming that the income tax was voluntary. You know, there was no mandate to pay it or to file federal income tax returns. I thought, wow, how could I have misjudged this talk show host to be allowing this woman to make these outrageous claims and make them on a radio station where, you know, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are going to hear these claims, Outrageous claims.

So that was in December of 1996, about three years into my career with the IRS. And so I decided I have got to get to the bottom of this, okay? Either I am not the good. The great good investigator that I thought I was, where I can tell if I think that somebody is truthful and honorable like a Jeff Metcalf. And yet the guy’s a total clown. He’s having clownish people on his show making these outrageous claims. Well, that’s not good for me because I’m not a very good judge of people’s body language and their character.

But by the same token, if there’s something to this, and yet my job is to, you know, actually investigate people, arrest them, give the investigative. Investigative information to a prosecutor, to put them in prison, you know, to convict them and put them in prison, then I probably should get to the bottom of this for that reason also. And so that’s my. Was my motivation initially to get in touch with DV kid. And we are talking about the late 90s. I’m sorry, basically, early, early 90s, early to mid 90s. And so I sent away. She said on the radio show that if you sent two bucks, dollar or two dollars in an envelope to an address in Colorado, that she would send her information, her brochures or booklets.

And so I sent away my two bucks in December of 1996, and in early to mid January of 1997, I received these two booklets in the mail. One was called why a Bankrupt America. And then the other was called Blind Loyalty. And in these booklets, D. V basically outlined all kinds of stuff that today in 2026, are kind of, you know, very familiar to the public, because we have had the benefit of the Internet, you know, since the. Since the early 90s. We have to remember that back in the early to mid-90s or, you know, the Internet was barely up and running or available to most people.

And so I’m, you know, basically still reading her booklets and getting them in the snail mail. But in there, she. She gave more details about many issues, but concentrating on the income tax, that was where my focus was. And she mentioned various people who had more information about the income tax. She would provide excerpts from their court cases or their claims that they made and then provide addresses and phone numbers for some of these people. And so one person in particular, his name was Bill Conklin. And I think by this point, Bill’s passed away. But anyway, I called up Bill because the phone number was in his press release, and I told him, you know, I’m not, I.

I’m an IRS special agent, but I’m not calling you to do a sting on you or, you know, lie to you. I’m truly just trying to find out what’s going on here with the income tax. And your name was in DV Kids booklet. And so I’m trying to find out more information. And so he suggested that I contact this guy named Peymon. And we’re talking about, you know, January, February of 1997. And I, I did not like Peymon. Okay, is this going to be like the king of the tax protesters? You know, what am I getting myself into? But, you know, I started the ball rolling calling Bill Conklin.

So he said to call Peymon, so I called Peymon. So Peymon was the second person, you know, after Bill that I got in touch with. And Peymon began to. Well, yeah, I guess first off. And maybe Peimon can describe how he was taking it on his end, but I was just trying to. That was interesting. Let me tell you about that, Joe, because when you first called me, I was called by Bill and said, look, this guy’s a special agent of the irs, but I think he’s sincere. He’s not looking to investigate us criminal. He really wants to know the truth.

And I told him, great, if he is, we’ll educate him, tell him the truth, no problem. And then when you called, I could tell you were sincere and you said you want to know the truth about our claims. So, yes, that’s when I started educating you and putting you in touch with other people, the movement. I gave you our first course called A Practical Road to Freedom from Oppressive Taxation Control. I used to teach that class. Nine week class, once a night for once a week, for nine weeks, for three hours. I recorded that audio tape.

I gave you one of those. I labeled it for your midnight basketball. So in case one of your colleagues or your boss sees that in your car. What other stuff you got here? This Practical Road to Freedom course, is this some kind of tax protest material? Why are you looking at this? You. So in order to protect you from that potential confrontation with your boss, as I just put that label on and Let you study and you met Sean and Steve, a free enterprise society and others from the free movement. But you took a little while to do your investigation.

Joe, I remember you’re pretty thorough. You take, took over, you know, a while to read at nighttime, to investigate things. Is that what you said? Nighttime or weekends? You put research on your own, Everything that you came across. Yeah, the IRS special agents, I presume is still the case. We would work 50 hour work weeks. So you’d basically get paid an extra quarter of your salary as overtime. And so rather than a 40 hour week, you’d work 40 plus 10 hours or 50 hour work weeks. So I had a 50 hour work week. You know, the time I was, by the time I was communicating with you, I was in San Jose.

I had made that transfer from San Francisco down to San Jose. But you know, with the commute back and forth and a 10 hour workday and then soccer coach to my young sons and husband and paying all the bills, finding the time was difficult. But I knew I wanted to get to the bottom of it too. So yeah, it took me a couple of years. All throughout 1997, all throughout 1998. And of course you and I kept in communication and you put me in touch with other people, other attorneys, CPAs, all kinds of people that I could talk with and you know, about other topics besides the income tax.

But you know, for our purposes, well, we can concentrate on that. There’s enough, enough interesting information there. But yeah, it took me, it took me a couple of years to kind of get through it and really make sure, you know, make sure as best I could. And there came to a point, you know, after that two years when I realized, you know, I think I’ve gathered about all the information that I can gather to prove that there’s something rotten here and that I need to confront my supervisors at the irs. I guess when I say confront, I more mean approach them.

I didn’t, you know, want to punch anybody in the nose or get mad at anyone. But I definitely, you know, if I had any bias at all when, as I started and during that two year period is that this couldn’t possibly be true. Right. Because my entire professional life revolved around the income tax, you know, accounting degree where you take tax classes at the university and then the CPA exam. One of the, one of the parts to the CPA exam is on taxation, you know, largely income taxation. Then I go in and become an IRS special agent and there’s more training there.

And so, you know, I just, I was not believing it could possibly be true. But as a criminal investigator, what’s your job is to gather evidence. And not to just, not just any evidence, but evidence that could actually be put into court because it’s factual, because it’s provable, because it’s corroborated by other evidence. And so during that two year period, I just kept gathering more and more evidence in the form of, you know, statutes, regulations, court cases, history of the income tax and the laws that were passed. And you know, what’s, what I found interesting, of course, is as a financial investigator, the thing that we sniff out is the paper trail, right? It’s the paper trail that’s always going to get the bad guy.

And so the thing is though, the IRS and the income tax has quite, quite the paper trail also. And so I simply followed that same paper trail and surprisingly, I guess you could say, came to a conclusion that there’s really something deceitful, excuse me, and illegal, apparently illegal about this income tax system. And so I need to approach my bosses at the IRS and let them know that, you know, I’ve been looking into this and I’ve come to some very concerning, you know, preliminary conclusions. And so that’s what I did. I, I was still working at the IRS during that two year period of investigating the income tax.

I still go to work every day to earn my, you know, earn my pay, do criminal investigations. One particular anecdotal story which I think is interesting to share is that I was asked to participate in a search warrant down in like the Fresno area. And it was this big, huge, like horse property. So we had, they had to have like, I don’t know, 20 or 30 IRS special agents to conduct this search warrant. And at the time I was the asset forfeiture coordinator. So in addition to whatever, you know, more law enforcement, you know, gun out kind of that I did initially.

My main job was to inventory anything that was seized during the search warrant. And so I was also one of the searchers, you know, one of the people that actually gather evidence in this huge property. And so the guy we were investigating actually had this very big walk in closet. And inside the closet was there were bookshelves and a number of the books on the bookshelves I had in my own bookshelves that I had accumulated over this two year period. And so that was the real, know, kind of a red pill moment when I thought, okay, here we are investigating this guy who, you know, hadn’t filed or paid and you know, some kind of income tax charges that we may bring against him at some point.

And yet he’s got these same books that I’ve either acquired or been given, you know, on loan to investigate, you know, the truth about the income tax. And so that was just a surreal moment to be standing in this walk in closet looking at books that this gentleman had that I had also in my own bookshelf. And anyway, it was bizarre. So you end up writing a book though about the income tax research that you did. Tell us about the book. I know we ended up publishing it for you and distributing a book for you, but tell us what led you to want to write a book and then how did you give it to the IRS to refuse it? Well, during the two year period, it’s probably.

You don’t even have to be a criminal investigator to understand if you’re some store is overcharging you or you’re the know, mechanic shop is giving you some repairs that you didn’t need and you have to gather evidence to prove out your case. You know, that’s what I did during this two year period is I would gather all this, all these details, all this information that I never learned on the CPA exam, you know, never learned at San Jose State, never learned an IRS training, but nevertheless was truthful because it came out of, you know, the U.S.

supreme Court or the Internal Revenue Code or the Code of Federal Regulations. And so in gathering all this information, I decided that it might be, you know, beneficial, worthwhile to gather up the highlights, you know, some of the information. If I had gathered up all the information, the report probably would have been hundreds and hundreds of pages long. But I basically gathered up some of the highlights of the evidence that I had encountered and I put it into a report that was around 95 pages long. And so that report is what I provided. There you go.

There’s an old copy of it. That report is what I actually submitted to my IRS supervisors at the San Jose, California IRS SEC orders and when. And you know, of course I spoke with Peymon ahead of issuing the report because I kind of saw the writing on the wall that once I let the, let my bosses know that I’m really concerned about these things. I’m not sure, you know, how much longer I’ll be able to last at the irs. I really wasn’t sure whether they tried to destroy what was otherwise a very excellent reputation, you know, for being a hard worker, for being diligent, for being, you know, honorable, having integrity.

And so I really didn’t know what would happen. But Peymon was certainly instrumental in helping me. Like, how do I make sure that the public will know about me or will get to see, you know, some of the evidence that I’ve encountered? And so, basically, as Peima mentioned earlier, he basically helped me to have, what was it, 10,000 copies of that report that I had issued to my supervisors ready in the event that I wouldn’t be lasting very much longer at the irs. So it was about. You know, it’s interesting is it’s February 10th, and it was February 8th of 1999 when I remember.

I think that was around the date that I handed in the report, and I think it was around the February 10th or so. February 8th, you wrote a letter to the IRS commissioner. Yeah, that’s the letter. Yep. Have it right here, folks. Keep going, Joe, huh? So, yes, February is always a month that brings back lots of memories. So, as I recall, February 8th. So that was when I gave them the details and basically said, hey, in that letter that you’re showing the audience, hey, I’ve kind of gone to bat for the agency and the income tax.

I’ve done everything I can to disprove, you know, this evidence. But, I mean, there’s a lot of things that give me concern. And by the way, I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution. The treasury secretary and the IRS commissioner tell us that we must report waste, fraud, and abuse. You know, certainly the ethics of my cp, the CPA profession, I mean, everything told me that I. I need to speak up. And so I did. And it took, I think, maybe nearly a week or so. February 17th, just nine days later, they sent you.

Joe, this is everybody. Yeah, we’re going to put this on the recorded thing. Go ahead, Joe, tell them about your humble response. Several pages. Humble response, detailed. Clear, you guys, you can read that. Agent for truth. All these documents are there, and we put them also link in, in this description. But, yeah, after all that three and a half pages of introduction, that’s all they gave you, Joe, what did they say? Yeah, well, in my. In my February 8th letter, you know, I said, of course I wanted them to respond and to help me through what was going on here.

I was finding things that were. Were very concerning. And so I thought, well, maybe they. Maybe I’ve made an error somewhere and they can set me straight. But I did say, if you can’t help me, I will. I will have to resign because I can’t serve two masters. I can’t serve God and have integrity, and yet also not have these questions and concerns. Addressed. And so in the letter that you just showed, you know, the 17, the response was very short and it was, you know, we’ll be happy to, basically, we’ll be happy to provide you with the paperwork to tend to your resignation without, without any answers.

And so once they gave me that letter, and this is up in the, you know, what’s today called the Special Agent in charge of the San Jose Central California district, they took my, I was to go downstairs and turn in my firearm and my badge and my credentials. And basically all I was left with was a pager. And I was sent home for a week of administrative leave. And they basically said, you know, call us in a week, keep your pager close by in case we call you. And they sent me home for a week to think about what my next move would be.

So they didn’t fire me, but they put a time frame of a week of administrative leave. And so as you saw by the letter, that began on February 17th, so then February 25th. Well, so anyway, I did go home on February 17th and you know, dealing with a very perplexed spouse, my wife, who, you know, I had taken a pay cut back when I started with the irs, put her through hell by being, having to go to Glencoe, Georgia for, you know, 16 weeks of training, the travel that was involved in being a criminal investigator. And then she was aware that during this two year period through 1997 and 1998, that I was investigating these things and she, she was concerned about that.

But when I actually came, you know, home on February 17th and said, I, I doubt I’m going to have this job much longer, it was very painful for, for her, for the family, for myself. And so during that week I basically thought, you know, long and hard about what, what should I do? There aren’t any self help books, you know, about how to, how to quit an irs, a position as an IRS special agent. But I decided, and I was getting, you know, opinions from, from all kinds of people, including yourself. And I just thought, you know, know, I really have earned a good reputation for honesty and hard work.

And what I don’t want is to stick around the IRS and let them dirty me up with some fake, you know, accusations. And of course, in hindsight, I think I made the right decision. I mean, I’m sure your audience is well aware of the way, you know, the media and the government have to dirty people up. You know, we don’t deserve to be dirtied up. So I did decide that I was going to Resign. And so February 25th of 1999, I, during that week, I basically composed a resignation letter. And I, you know, looking at the calendar, I’m like, wow, okay, so the 25th of February is my birthday.

And it’s also the day in 1913 when Philander Knox claimed that the 16th amendment had been ratified. So I thought, wow, the timing of this is pretty, pretty crazy. I think I’m going to resign on my birthday, which is really, in a sense, the birthday for the income tax and the day that I’m going to always remember that I resigned from the IRS. So my resignation letter is dated February 25, 1999. And what’s that going to be? That going to be 27 years coming up here in just a few days, Joe, will be 27 years that you resigned from the IRS.

And your letter, again, several pages long, folks, is a very respectful, thorough letter, thoughtful letter that Joe wrote to IRS Commissioner Charles Rossati about why he resigned. And then Joe was scheduled to speak at our March 13, 1999 Freedom Rally of Freedom Law School, where I would have about a dozen or so speakers over two days, Saturday and Sunday, speak about various issues related to our freedom, our rights, government corruption. And Joe was scheduled to speak there without his picture, because at the time we went to Prince to put out their brochures. Two months later in January, Joe was still working for the irs.

He still had not turned the book to his superiors to confront him about, hey, you need to address these legitimate concerns. So his picture wasn’t on the brochure at all. And so the first time, when we put Joe on our freedom rally in March 1999, that was the first time anybody else except myself and maybe a few other people had seen Joel in the movement in person. He came out, we had over 300 people, Joe, that turned out at the event. And at the very end, when you were the last speaker of the whole weekend, it was packed full.

No one was walking around, no one was outside the doors, chit chatting in the hallway. They all want to know, who is this irs, you know, special agent who defected from the irs, from the dark side of Darth Vader to the truth and Freedom, Okay? And so it was really a special event. And I remember, like you said, we had 10,000 copies of your book printed. And I think we distributed about maybe about a thousand in one night. Some people got boxes of your books to put out, you know, to get out to people, because this was such a big deal.

And notably everybody, I had notified all the media in Southern California, Los Angeles, Greater Area. I faxed them about Joel coming out whistleblower exposing IRS fraud. Ain’t nobody media reporters showed up, folks. You guessed it, zero showed up to hear about it. So this is, you know, back then again Mitch end was very, very new still at that time. So Joe, you left the irs and I think we have to kind of end this right now. This part one of our interview in part two, as I told you guys, we’re going into how Joe, now that he left the irs, you know, he went out to try to educate and expose the fraud of the irs, the massive multitrillion dollar fraud of the American people.

And with that, you know, went through that process. And then part three we will cover how the Irish try to silence Joel, try to put him in prison for taxes. And that failed. He boomeranged in the face of the irs. So Joe is a really incredible story folks. It’s absolutely unique. You don’t want to miss part two and part three of that. So Joe, I’d like to thank you very much my friend. Being with us again and I think we’re going to let Joe, I’m going to have let Joe for the question and answers session. Right.

So Joel, we have to let you go my friend. We have to take some questions from people. But thank you for being with us. I appreciate your brother. You know, we’ll be in touch with him for the next interview in a few weeks. Thank you Payman. Thanks for having me. My pleasure my friend. Take care. Take care. Good night, Joe. Okay folks, now I’m going to get to your questions. As you know, this is the tax strike season. Our Martyrs Tax 2026 like it’s 1776 like the founding fathers. Okay? The government, federal government does not represent you anymore for many, many decades.

Why are you voluntarily giving your money to these crooks and criminals? You can stop the income tax withholding from your paycheck for free. On our website freedomlawschool.org there’s seven steps to free yourself of the IRS. The first five steps are absolutely free. You can do it on your own, no charge do it. The last two tips are optional if you want to get together like other truth and freedom minded Americans together. And we have a Restore freedom plan to work together to have America be free and protect each other from any and all IRS attacks completely with 100% guarantee that you will not go to prison.

And we do all the work, we pay the attorneys and if they ever take your money by force, live your paycheck or bank account or seize your Home and property will reimburse to you everything the Irish took from you out of our funds. We will make you whole. So with that, now we’re going to go to your questions, everybody. Okay, so let’s get your questions, folks. Okay, so let’s get the numbers on the screen, guys. Everybody has questions. Put the call number on the screen and the call calling thing we have right now, three people waiting to get their questions answered.

First one from area code 22 9, then the call from area code 48 4. Then another one from area code 51 6. If you want to ask a question to be online to get your question answered, call in 424-552-1299. And then you press 1 on your telephone keypad. Again, the number to dial is 424-552-1299. And you press 1 on your telephone keypad and you’ll be added to a list of people with questions. And then we just had another caller added from area code 818. So with that we will start with the first caller from area code 229.

Caller, please give me your first name. You heard about Freedom Law School. And then your question, please. Hey, my name, dear. Could you hear me? Yes, Dave. Speak up, by the way. And how do you hear about us? Can you guys give me a drink from the fridge, guys? Maybe like kombucha or something? Yes, Dave. How did you hear about Freedom? Okay, I’ve been knowing about y’ all for the last, I want to say about seven years. I’ve been following y’ all and I’ve been doing my research on the side of, you know, just getting knowledge from you guys.

But I have, I called in to ask you a question. I haven’t been doing anything taxes or anything like that. But do you think the Trump account, do you think it is good to benefit the kids and go in on it? Even though I don’t deal with the taxes myself. How do you feel about the Trump Account information? I don’t pay attention to Trump account at all because you are not required to file income taxes date to begin with any more than you have to pay tax from, you know, from in France or Japan or Russia or Egypt.

That federal income tax is for citizens and residents of the District of Columbia, Washington, D.C. not you, Dave, one of the people of the 50 states. This book, the Internal Revenue Book, the bible of the IRS, is not written for you. The people of the 50 states. Primarily it applies to those people from D.C. you’re not from there. So the Trump account All those things he said do not apply to you, the people of the 50 states. That’s what I think about it. I think. Let me ask you, Dave. Have you been to our website, freedom law school.org and watch our videos about income tax fraud? Yeah.

Have you gone to step one to see that? Look, you’re not required to file pay income tax based on the official legal websites of the US Government. Yes, I’ve been on there and I’ve seen all of that stuff. Okay, then don’t worry about it. You have to worry about all those games that Congress comes up with, you know, that apply to people in Washington, D.C. not you who is not from D.C. any questions, Dave? Okay. Well, I appreciate it. No, sir. That’s it. Thank you. Very good, my friend. All right. We have another caller now. Call from area code 484.

Caller, please give me your first name. How you heard about Freedom Law School. Question, please. Hey, Bamboo. This is Manny. Max. This is Manny. Okay. So I’ve been through many, many. Yeah, huh? Hey, I got your seven steps all together. I printed all the senators application pages also for three janitors. I still have to print other two. I just printed one set. I have to do another two. But I’m just wondering, is there any intermediary step? I mean, because I. I was reading and some other, you know, blogs and such and Facebook comments. Also revocation of election or some kind of affidavit.

Did we need to send that or this documentation? What we are preparing is enough. That’s enough. The petitions are enough. How did you hear about Freedom Moscow, Manny? I already talked to Joe a couple of times and been in interaction with. Through email to Joe Banister. I watch all your videos. No, but how did you hear about Freedom Website? Correct. So it came through the Facebook. You know, there is a strike group. I. I commented on few of the post also. And I saw your conversation between. What’s his name, Alex Wayman, or somebody who is saying CFC 7701 is not applicable.

Right. Only apply to. It applies to everybody. That will be interesting to hear next. She’s joining your call. So. Right. Federal Income Tax strike group in Facebook. That’s how you heard about us, right? Yes. Very good. Yeah, that’s right. Very good. Okay. So. Okay. Continue with any other questions that you may have. Huh? Yeah. So I’m gonna get your service, but I’m gonna do the documentation and I’m just gonna wait till next year. Why? There is a reason. So. So I personally invested in building a Montessori school. And we haven’t filed a single taxes for that LLC yet.

So we put so much capital and we need to get the depreciation everything out. So I’m just gonna wait till next year. The school’s probably gonna finish building this year. Why do you have to file income tax at all back to me? What reason do you have to. You’re building a school. Great. Congratulations. I’m glad you’re doing that. That’s a great thing you’re doing, you know? But why sign a 1040 form, confess and claim on the oath that you OD Irish money, and end up having to pay him all this money that’s used against the American people? I know.

I know where you’re coming from. But the amount we spent, you know, something has to come back as an appreciation or whatever, right? So that’s what we are trying to do. Nothing else. Oh, he had a lot of withholding from your paycheck. You try to get some of that money that was stolen from your paycheck back? Is that what you’re saying? I know one way to put it that way. Yeah, I agree. Because what you want to do. Everybody stop the Irish stealing your money right now. Don’t send IRS any more quarterly estimated payments. Okay. If you’re a business owner or an independent contractor, even employees, stop the income tax withholding.

Stealing from your patient. Go to freedommoster.org on the top. Is it right? On the right. Right here is the menu that comes out. Free yourself from tax withholding. Okay, so you go to that page. I already did the withholding. Great. I did the withholding at my work. I’m giving any more money to them. Good. I’ve done that. And I’m gonna do it next year also. Fantastic. The second part is to this application and stuff. Very good. Yeah, I’m on track. So I’ve been, like, through all the steps and I had some concern and I clarified with.

Somebody was replying to me from your team. So that’s good. Great. Okay. Anything else? Manny, you good? No, thank you. You’re welcome, my friend. My pleasure. Thanks. Have a good evening. Have a good evening, my friend. Let’s go to now to 516 area code call. Are you alive, my friend? Please give me your first name. I heard about Freedom Law School. And then your question, please. Hello, payment. My name is Steve. I actually just recently joined the school a couple of months ago. I’ve heard about you on a number of podcasts that I follow. Anyway, my question is, I’ve done steps with the W2, the exemptions and everything.

But now I live in New York and I’m looking at their exemption form, and I did send it in yesterday. And the guidelines or the requirements to get the exemption are very deceptive, I guess, for lack of a better word. And I’m just trying to figure out if there’s any way I can get around this or I’m just. New York is, I know, a very aggressive state. Do I just have to suck it up and file with them? You know, I haven’t looked at that New York thing for a while, honestly, to give you an accurate answer, Steve, because, you know, there’s 42 states that claim to have a state income tax, and some of them just follow whatever the federal law is.

This go. Whatever you put on your W4, they go by that. But a few states, California, New York, namely, are one of those that have their own withholding form, which makes it more difficult for you to stop state income tax being stolen from your paycheck, even though New York and California both follow federal income tax forms and even the laws. So I don’t know about that. But remember this, Steve. As a Restore Freedom Plan member, you get unlimited consultation about any IRS issue, anything to do with holding. Okay? That comes up. So let me ask you to set up a time for one of my assistants who’s special trained on this area.

Discuss that if necessary. I’ll be on the phone with you privately as much as necessary. Let me refresh myself on this issue with New York and get back with you on that. Okay? At that time, we can do it, right? I don’t want to just off top of my head, give you a wrong answer. Take advantage of the unlimited consultation you get with Frida Moscow, my friend. Okay, Steve. Okay, numbers 813-4444-800. Any of you have a question, you’re welcome to call us. My people here will answer your questions as best as they can and guide you also to resources on our website.

The number to call again if you have a question, call us. Any weekday from 9am to 7pm is 813-444-4800. And Saturdays right now, dual tax season. We’re open from 10am until 5pm so take advantage. Call us and we’ll be able to help you. Any other questions, Steve? Okay, very good. I appreciate that. Thank you. Have a great night. You’re welcome, my friend. Thank you for calling, Steve. All right, we have now, before we get to the 801 in area, could call her. There’s also a Call from area code 816 that just joined us. So, yes. Oh, Joe’s available online too.

Great. And Tim could ask some questions. He can hear us and he can hear his answer. Wonderful. I didn’t know we could do that. Good. Well, guess what, guys. Joe Bahash is also available online. So if you want to ask some questions about. Thanks. He’s welcome to ask him. Also, let us know if you have a question of me or Joe Bannister or both of us. And wherever you want to get an answer from, we’ll provide an answer for you. So let’s go now to the 818 area code. Caller, please give us your first name. I heard about us.

And then your question, please. Hello again, my name is Nick. Speak up, my friend. You too far for your microphone. What’s your name again? My name is Nick. Huh. And I heard about you on the infowars. Very good. And how may I help you, Nick? Well, I sent you a couple days ago a copy of my. From a notice of proposed assessment from the Franchise Tax Board from California. Mm, yes, you did have them all right here, Nick and. Mm. All right, so the first time I called you a few months ago was about the request for tax returns and you had said that I should just ignore it until they send me the assessment.

Well, they have. Mm. And I am wondering what is the best way to handle this? The FTB letter that you got, Right. Yes. Okay, no problem. Well, the notice of proposed assessment that Nick received, folks, is an official tax proposal letter that the California Taxing Authority, California Franchise tax return, by law, is supposed to mail to people. And Nick can challenge it. And he has until April 1st to challenge this. About $1766 for your 2022 challenge. So the only thing you can do at this point, either ignore it and the tax become assessed or determined or ask for hearing in writing by certified mail before that date to have proof of mailing.

Or Send your request 10 days in advance to make sure it gets there on time. And that will stop them from fixing the amount of tax that they claim you owe. And now here what they have on this thing is they believe that your 57,000 you made is taxable income, which it is not. Okay? And they say that the tax is $1,600 $600 and change. They claim there was $445 in withholding the net tax. They claim you ought to be $1200. But these crooks in California add, you know, about $600 of penalty and interest. That makes it 1766.

So what you can do is you can ask for hearing. And unfortunately there are law list in California. The only thing the agent there, they will contact you, accept from you is the tax return. That’s the only thing they accept. Okay. And if you don’t want to do it, which I understand why you don’t, don’t do it, they say the rule against you, they will send you a notice of action. Okay. This process, by the time you ask for hearing, by the time it’s done, will take anywhere from possibly three to seven months, depending how busy the FDB may be when you send them to your hearing request.

So basically before the end of this year, that will be that stage will be done. But you can appeal that to Office of Tax Appeals if you want to. Okay. And then you get a more formal handy for Office of Tax Appeals. Okay. And unfortunately, they’re not any better really, from the FTB hearing officers. It’s more formal, supposed to be a better thing. But I went through them, they’re just completely lawless. Ignore the facts, ignore the law. But you could do that also. And if you get very, very, very, very, very lucky, they’ll listen to you.

I don’t think they will. But anyhow, that process will take another maybe seven to 12 months before they rule in that case. And then the FTB can potentially come after your money. And what they typically do is they go after people’s paycheck or bank accounts. Are you an employee, Nick? I am. Okay. And so you live in California. How long do you plan to stay in California? I don’t plan to stay much longer, but I just have to, you know, look out, look for a job in Nevada. Okay. And that could take some time. Okay. Well, once you leave California, have no paycheck that comes from California, no pension that comes from California, no bank account that has a presence or a branch in California, no real estate or assets in California, no stock brokerage house that has a branch of California.

Any money you make outside of California, from Nevada, Texas, New York, Michigan, doesn’t matter, France, they cannot touch it. Only they can take your money if it’s coming from within California somehow. So maybe this is only less than $2,000. You want to get a little practice, do this stuff, see how it goes. And at the end you want to leave this state and don’t give him, it’s totally up to you. Or pay him if you want to. It’s totally up to you. But yeah, but if you, from what you’re telling me, since you’re Going to be leaving the state anyhow, this communist republic that sadly California has descended into, then they can go pound sound all they want because you have nothing for them to take.

Now it sounds like requesting a hearing. That would mean that I would have to go to a court. Is that correct? No, it’s a. They give you. If you ask for an in person hearing in the office closest to you, they’ll give it to you. You closest to Sacramento office as I think Citrus Heights, I think close to Sacramento or San Francisco. They have offices there. So you can ask. I want to close office. You can go to. You be with the agent. Not a court case. No, no, no, no, no. When you do the appeals office of tax appeals there, they have hearings in San Francisco, in Los Angeles and Sacramento.

Three places across the street they do hearings. And that one’s like a court with administrative law judges. But the FTB hearing is only just meeting with the FDB agents. Okay, so I meet with an agent and I, and, and then I do. And I do what? I give him my, my petitions to my, the, my legislators that I downloaded and mailed out. You can do that and Thomas. And then you can also tell, look, I am not required to follow and pay federal income taxes. And the California 50448 instructions wants me, tells me to take numbers from my federal tax form, put it in the California 540 income tax form.

But if I do that, that’ll be zero. If you want, I’ll put zero on the form, give it to you, sign it. But as far as I know if it’s zero, I’m not required to file a tax return. But if you want me to, I will file a tax return with zeros on there, give it to you right now. So that’s what you do. Uh huh. Sounds like a lot of work that I don’t have time for because I work so much. If I join your freedom law school officially, will you guys be able to help me out with this fight with California? Not really.

For two reasons. For more than one reason. Number one, it’s. There’s not much you can do about California. You can delay me if you want to. Even the writing, even if you don’t meet them, you don’t have to meet the agent in person. You could do it by telephone call or letter writing, correspondence if you want to. You don’t have to go meet with them in person. Okay. Number two, the money is so small, less than $2,000 by the time you pay us for this extra pre existing work. That you got, it’s going to cost as much as this $1,700.

It is not worth it for you to fight this case. As you said, take your time off from work to fight them. Because the same due process, procedural rights and stages you can do is the same whether you owe them 1,000 or 100,000 or 10 million. So if the tax was large, 100,000 or 10 million, well, yes, it would be worth it to you to pay somebody else, like me, to fight for you, but when the amount is so small, it’s not really worth it. It costs too much. Plus, you will be leaving the state, you said anyhow.

So you can just give yourself more time if you want to, by asking for hearing. You know, all that. And at the end, the worst case, they would take 25% of your paycheck, every pay period, to pay off what they claim you owe them. Or take it out of your bank account, if you have that much sitting in your bank account on the day that they issue an order to the California Franchise Tax Board to, you know, for the bank to take your money. Okay, right. Okay, I see that. They said that if I don’t. If they don’t hear from me by April 1, they said they will bill me.

And so, yes, they’ll just send me a bill for this. That amount, that’s 1700. Yes, yes. Plus interest. Right. And if I ignore that, then. If I ignore that, then they’ll. They out pick it up from my bank account. They’ll send you a couple more letters before they take the money from your bank account. Was better off just paying them and then just work. Use my time to work on getting out of California. That’s also one option. You pay him and just forget about it. Get it done or not pay him and leave the state. It’s up to you.

You have options that you can choose from. Anything else, Nick? I can. I can Definitely choose option 2. Disagree with the proposed assessment and. And just write him a letter and send in my petitions just for the hell of it and see what happens. He wouldn’t hurt. And I’ll tell you something, brother. You know, if you’re making the round $60,000 a year in California, which is, you know, close. I make 80 now. What’s that? I make close to 80 now. It’s been a while. Okay, good, good. But that’s just under $40 an hour. That’s not much in Citrus Heights in Northern California.

That ain’t much out there. You know, you’re much better off in making $25 an hour, you know, $30 an hour in someplace else across the country that has, you know, a lot lower cost of living. Especially many states with no city income tax like Nevada, Wyoming, Tennessee, Texas, Florida, New Hampshire. You definitely, you’re doing the right thing by exploring options outside of California. Now. Now they said that if, if I ask for a hearing, that it may, it may take a long time, according to the letter. And if I lose, if the hearing is not in favor of me there, there will be interest accrued unto my balance.

Now is, will they tack on more interest to the 1766. Yes. Or is that okay, that 1766 could be become larger. Yes. By the time the hearing ends? Yes. Okay. So I think the hearing is not something that I would want to do. I’ll just still protest it and send them my petitions. Okay. By April 1st and see what happens, I guess. Okay. Is that a good idea? I think that’s one viable way to go. It’s a difficult situation when you have an arbitrary, aggressive state like California. There’s no easy, wonderful, simple answers to give you.

So. But I appreciate you and respect your decision, my friend. Any other question you want to ask of me, Nick, while you’re at it? I did, but I just. I just forgot. Okay. Well, it’s okay. Let me take someone else’s call. If you have another question, you can call back. I’ll take an additional caller. Oh, yeah. Okay, cool. Okay. Thank you very much, Damon. You’re welcome, Nick. My pleasure. Now, before I take the next caller from here, code 816, the number to call, we will put it on the screen for you. If you have a question, the number to call is.

You have a number on the screen is area code 415. Let’s write that. 415. It’s not there. Okay, I’m sorry. 4245-521299-42455-21299 and press 1 on your telephone keypad and you’ll be able to ask your questions. Okay. 816 area cut. Caller, please give me your first name, how you heard about Freedom Law School and then your question, please. Hold on, hold on. Let me unmute you. Go ahead. Okay. My name is Jim. Can you hear me? Yes, Jim, go ahead. Hello? Yes. Okay. I first heard about Freedom Law School because back in like 2003, 2004, I started my own business and for the first time I had to start filing, paying taxes, payroll tax, income tax, this tax, that tax had the IRS colony.

And, you know, I felt like, there was just something really wrong with all that. I didn’t know what. I just knew it was wrong. And then the Internet was coming out, basically at that time, pretty big. And I was on the Internet, and I seen this video. This girl, Katharine Bly, she was a Liberty Restoration project up in Jefferson City, going around to all the. All the representatives handing out the video, Freedom to Fascism. I was really impressed with that. So I went down and met them at one of the rallies in the Fed rally. I got involved with it, and I met that juror, Marcy Brooks, who found Whitney Harrell not guilty for four counts of failure to file.

And when I met that juror, I was like, okay, well, there’s something to this. And then that’s. I researched it further, ran across you. And, you know, I. Then I ended up finding out that, you know, the reason that there was no income tax is because a direct tax on our income is considered slavery. And I followed this, and the reason that I’m calling is because recently I found out that the state of Illinois refiled charges on Whitney Harrell and took him back court, found him not guilty. And this is the first time hearing of this.

And I felt that that was double jeopardy for one. And then I guess my next part of this question would be, I know you have the petitions to send into Congress, our representatives about the federal income tax, but I was wondering if you could, like, put some kind of petition together so that we could send in. In regards to the state law, which several of the states say you are required to file a state return if you’re required to file a federal. Okay. Which is what had happened in Illinois with Whitney Harrell, where he showed that they did.

There was no federal law, so he didn’t have to file state. They turned around, took him back to court anyway and found him guilty of that. So I was wondering if you guys could come up with some kind of petition so that we could mail in, addressing the state law about if there’s no federal law, you don’t have to file state, so that if they try to come back at somebody, you know, they couldn’t get you, trying to say you was avoiding anything, if that makes. I understand your question. Here’s the thing. There’s 42 states, Jim, that claim to have a state income tax.

And it’s just too much work for me to. And too expensive for most people. If I were to try to do that petition for every state petition. Well, maybe not for every state. Maybe not for every state, but the states that actually Piggybacked off federal law. Still most states that income tax, they do. Most states with a claim estate income tax, they follow federal law. That’s vast majority of them. Okay. Now the other thing is how do they come back after we. Hold on, hold on. Let me address your question. Why the Herald was not one of my students.

He was tried in late 1990s. Okay. And then they came after him for other years. I understand they got him for those other years. It was not for the same years that he was acquitted. And this time they made sure they railroaded him. Okay, so he did my program, but with our with Freedom Law School program, okay, you be protected from state also, especially if you become and restore freedom plan because we guarantee that you will not go to prison. Okay. And I know the laws, the federal and the state. You just don’t know how to present that because it’s not so simple that I could do that for every single state.

Now does that mean over the years I cannot gradually do that? Yes, it takes a lot of time and research and money to put all this together for every single state law. 42 states, it’s not an easy job. 42 countries. I learned all laws of all the countries of Europe and then some. Okay, so that’s what I gotta do. It’s not so easy to put it in an exact, precise, perfect thing like that. But your federal ones will protect federal petitions, will protect it from state. If your state, like Illinois does follow federal law anyways, because Whitehall did not do our process.

So you cannot compare his, you know, later on we go to jail to what we did. All two different things. He didn’t have our petitions at all. It did not even exist at the time. So what you’re saying. Go ahead. I’m sorry, no, our petitions did not exist when he went. He went to jail. Okay. Did not exist at all. Use. So, so basically what you’re saying is either join Freedom Law Schools program or file taxes with the state. No, I’m not saying that either. What I’m saying is that with the state also, you could use that for the state also.

But first of all, states do not come after people hardly at all. Okay. They become less and less and less coming after people criminally. Like California used to come after people criminally back in 1980s. But they lost some cases. It was too expensive. They just became more aggressive to take people’s bank account paychecks and it was much less costly and efficient for them. They stopped criminal prosecutions because they could just go take your paycheck 25%. Criminal trials are very, very expensive compared to them just simply taking a part of your paycheck or bank account. Okay. So states do not do criminal cases hardly at all.

They do once in a while, but you know what, I’m not saying it’s either or look a lot so. But if you really, really are concerned about that, look, there’s an option, but you don’t have to because I’m telling you they’re going to leave you 99.9% alone anyways because all they want states is your money. Criminal prosecution and jailing costing them too much as well. Okay. And with our petitions, you have a solid case at least. You can at least hire me or somebody else, an attorney, say, hey, based on my federal petitions, defend me if they come after you.

Well, I sent in my petitions. I have done that already. I sent them in three or four years ago. Good. Yeah. And actually here in Missouri right now as we speak, they’re actually debating on trying to be the 10th state to get rid of the Missouri income tax. Great. So I requested today that we send some petitions to Senator Joe Nicola. He’s the one that’s heading, heading the fight up on this and our governor. Great. Support them. Yeah, yeah, I am. That’s why I requested today that you guys send in one of your magazines. His office, you know, explaining how that works where there’s no federal law.

Because I actually called their office today and talked to one of their secretaries and I was explaining to them how the US US Citizen only applies to the federal territories at District of Columbia. It doesn’t apply to the states. And she didn’t know that. She’s like, really? I’ll have to look that up. And I gave him your website and all that. So hopefully they further look into it. Or hopefully somebody from your office, you know, further constact tax this and gets them further involved in this. Because I sure would like to see Missouri do away with it.

Man, I’m tired of feeling like a slave every time I go to work. Then Jim, go to work. All you do is put yourself in trouble with the law then, Jim, if you’ve tried to be a slave rather than putting it upon us, our costs, our expense to contact your representative in Missouri. We’ll mail you the brochures for free. Restore freedom brochures all you want and you, you send it to them, you contact them, you follow up with them because they work for you to begin with, not for me. I’m not from Missouri. These brochures folks restore Freedom brochures.

Hold on, let me finish. Let me ask everybody else too. Are 12 pages, the intent pages that tell you the law very clearly why no law requires 99% of Americans to file and pay income and payroll taxes. $50,000 reward. If you can find anything legally wrong with what’s in here, show me I’m wrong about this stuff. Okay, that’s one we’ll cover. The other one has a little bit, a different cover, same content. Fast track your success. So we’ll give it to you. Call us these brochures and again, as many of them as you want to your representatives and tell them, hey, do something about all this and you can follow up with them because it’s your money that they’re going to be taking, my friend, not mine.

I cannot contact every One of the 42 states in America about this stuff. Okay, I got other stuff that I gotta take care. Yeah, you’re right. Well, I appreciate it and I did request those magazines and I will be passing them out, I promise you. What’s your business by the way? What do you do, Jim? What do you do for a living? I built. I do concrete work. Okay. Do you have any employees? Well, currently no, but my season hasn’t started yet. When it starts though, you don’t take any money out of your employees paycheck, do you? No, I actually am giving them your petitions, showing them the law and why they are not required to file or pay an income tax.

That’s what I do. Yes. Good for your brother. Good for your brother. Good that you do the right thing, loving thing for your workers. I’m glad he. That’s all I want to make sure about that. Thank you for doing that, Jim. I appreciate you brother. Yeah, no problem. I tell everybody about your deal and like I said, I do, I give them the petition so that they know why, you know, there’s no taxes taken out because by law they’re not required to. Yes, exactly. And it is slavery. Exactly. You know the thing is here in Missouri.

Here in Missouri we’ve got a, we’ve got a lot of people I talk to about the taxes and the Democrats keep telling me, oh, we want to keep the income tax because then the taxes of goods will go up and then I can’t afford shoes and I’m like, you know, where is it my place to have to work and take my hard earned money to pay into a system so you can buy shoes? And then there’s one YouTube podcaster I listen to. Oh, what’s her name? I forget this black lady on there, she says the Democratic party is masters looking for slaves.

And the Democratic voters are slaves looking for masters. Yep. And that’s what I say about anybody who wants the income tax because it is slavery, period or none. Yep, exactly what it is. Yep. I believe, I believe in a consumption tax, not a direct tax on our income. When we had no choice but to work. If we don’t pay it, we go to jail. That’s not freedom. That’s not. It’s totally against principles of liberty. This country was founded on better idea. We can tax only import foreigners, tax importing goods. Students that come to Saudi America and universities, they get paid a tax.

The university that educates them, they can pay a tax. Immigrants that come to America, the world, we can tax them and then their children will be free as American born citizens. So we could tax foreigners and be income tax free completely. Even get rid of no consumption tax either like that. So thank you brother for calling. I appreciate it. Jim. Yeah, let me just say this. Sure. My fan. My family’s been in this country since way back live before it was America. My family fought in the Civil War, my grandfather fought on the Union side. But you know, the Civil War supposedly ended slavery.

So you know, I am a true American and so is my family. And, and anyways, and so I appreciate it took a foreigner to come over here to our country, new to our laws, to try to learn them, understand them, to point this out to us. So yeah. So thank you for all that you do. You’re welcome my friend. I sometimes wonder about that God works in mysterious maze, you know, puts us in places we don’t expect to be. I never imagine I’ll be doing that when I was growing up in Iran, you know, back in 1960s and 70s.

Yep. All right, Jim, thank you for your support, my love. I appreciate you brother. Jim, let’s go to. We have two more callers right now. We need to get the questions answered. I think we have one caller, right? Let’s see. Yeah, let’s see. Area code, I think 816 area code. Caller, right. He’s the only one left. 818, that was Nick, wasn’t it? No, no, no, no. Hold on, let me see if I get it right. Well, that’s right. 8:18, okay. Yes, right, 818 area code. Caller, you’re live my friend. Please give me your first name, how you heard about Freedom Law School.

And then your question please. Hi FA man, this is Nick again. I just remembered my question that I forgot. Okay, go ahead. Hi so on that notice on page three, the instructions for the written protest, it says that I have to fill out this quick resolution worksheet. You don’t have to. It’s optional. They’re asking you. Oh, okay. It’s like a tax return. Okay. Basically, it’s like a basis. If you fill it out, it’s equivalent to filing a tax return because you know you have to sign it at the end. Okay. Under penalty, you just have a expedited credit tax return.

That’s all it is. All right, so no quick resolution works worksheet. I just send my package. Well, you could do that. You could use it. Just check the box on option two. I want to protest. That’s a form to ask for hearing. That’s what it is. You can fill out on page one of that quick resolution worksheet, the. But the bottom option to I want a protest. I disagree with the proposed assessment. So you can send that in and that way asking for a hearing. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now if I send this protest in that I’m.

That this, this petition that I’m using for my protest, now will they. Will they consider that as a frivolous excuse? And no, just asking for a protest is fine. There’s nothing wrong with that whatsoever. That’s your right to ask for a protest. Okay. All right, Nick. Okay. All right. Thank you. You’re welcome. Before we get the questions online that may be people have, I’m going to put the number on the screen one more time to get your question answered. If you have a question earlier you want to ask me people or Joel Bannister, who is still with us, the number to call is 424-552-1299 and press 1 on your telephone keypad.

Dial 424-552-1299 and then press 1 on your telephone keypad if you have a question. Okay, we have a caller right now from area code 303-303-area code caller, please give me your first name. I heard about FETA Law school. And then your question, please. You’re there. Yes. What’s your. Oh, hello, Peymon. Are you talking to me? I’m sorry, are you from America? 303. Yes, you are? I am. I’m sorry. I was watching the feed. I just called in and yeah, it surprised me. I apologize. I apologize. Sorry for. Sorry for that delay. So, yeah, I have been doing your name and how to hear about it.

Oh, sorry, sorry. My name is Kara, called in a couple weeks ago. Good to talk to you again, Payman. I believe I heard from you. Heard about you probably on rumble rumble feed or something. But it’s good to talk with you again and thanks for taking my call. So I was doing a little bit of research and you know, on one of the. The AI engines because my husband is a little bit skeptical and I wanted to see one. One of the things that it keeps pounding down my throat is well the definition of 50 states is 50 or the fifth of states is 50 states.

And it says, you know, the courts have. Have upheld that and I mean it even threw Bush aber at me at one point. I know that I should be a little bit more careful here because everybody is not familiar with necessarily the Bersha decision. But that’s a famous one came about in. I don’t remember what year here I’m trying to scroll down to it. But it’s a famous decision that you quote in your paperwork in the petitions and actually you quote it correctly and I guess that a lot of them quote it incorrectly. It was a Supreme Court decision versus Union Pacific Railroad Company in 1916 and it’s talking about whether the 16th Amendment granted new tax taxing power and.

But what they keeps on you know saying, even though I’ve, I’ve said it, you know the, the Mies decision that in the petition and the Gold versus Gould petition or rather sorry decision from 1917 about the. The narrow construction of tax provisions and all that kind of stuff. It’s still saying you know, 50, 50 states. And I know it’s a gatekeeper AI, it’s just the Leo AI from the Brave browser. But I was wondering just in a general sense, how do you get deal with that? Like not necessarily the AI. Here’s the thing about AI. AI is giving you a wrong answer because AI is programmed, pre programmed with certain things like.

Well, they programmed that people 56 gotta pay income tax. Absolutely. So what you have to do if I’ve done that, if I can put down on the screen. Can you put on my screen the AI stuff? I’ve done two videos two different times on two different AIs. I think one was with the chat GPT and that was I think what meta. We did. Yeah, we did it and it took me a work. But one time I was able to convince them about it Meta and I think chat GPT was I think just broke down. It literally broke down.

Yeah, it just couldn’t handle that. They couldn’t handle the truth. Okay, so let’s put it on screen. Yeah. See this is one of them which is what was the date we did this one. You can watch this one. Scroll down a little bit. This was done eight months ago. Okay. This is part two, that one. Part one also. So. And there’s another one I did also. If you go out to our channels, okay, like YouTube channel or Exodus channel on our social media, you could on the search bar, bring these things up and they’ll put that AI on there.

I search and the videos will come up. If you didn’t help, call us, we help you. But anyhow, you got to pretty much give it the things in my 10 minute short first presentation, like one at a time and argue back with it. That’s what I did. My first 10 minute video I gave the US treasury regulations day 1.11. Then I give a definition of many different three United States and law. That could be sometimes DC, sometimes the 50 states as a collective, sometimes 50 states individually. So you just got to give it to argue back with it.

You got to know that those. Those contents of our first video and put it up there. Here we go. We get on there on Odyssey, as you can see. See, I’ve done on AI eight months ago, 11 months ago, two years ago, I’ve done AI we’re gonna do whatever AI thing we’re gonna do with. So I’ll do one this tax season also. And that’s a topic, guys, the free round. We’re gonna do AI. Okay, remind me, we’ll do that for the. Absolutely. For the AI. So but that’s all. You just got to go a little by little, type it in it and kind of tighten it loose on it and tell.

Look, don’t give me vague answers. I want straight, clear, black and white answer, not what it looks like, what it may be. You know, you just got to kind of tighten the noose. And I said, like I said one time, one AI. I said, you’re right. Citizen and residents of D.C. guy filed bank of tax, not the people of the 50 states. And another time, I think with ChatGPT with Kaput, you’re like, what? What happened? It couldn’t handle it. So watch those videos. You see what I did. And you want to test them out in your AI.

By the way, the AIs are programmed not to learn from you. Now if you go back under your account and bring up that research, it remembers it’s for you, but not for everybody else. They do that deliberately. Yeah, it’s not like on Star Trek where the captain, where Captain Kirk would basically melt down the computer by answering, answering, you know, so logically. That it basically said, you know, error, you know. Right. Well, actually that happened to us. One of these videos. That’s exactly what happened. I did do that, I think broke down. So it did happen because they tell it that, you know, that you know, to put falsehood in there.

And when I tell the truth, he can’t handle it. Look, I’m supposed to believe this thing that he showed me? Clearly it’s a lie. I don’t know what to do with that. Okay, that’s what happened there. It broke down. Right. So, yeah, have fun with those videos. Show them, you know, if you want to. Yeah, yep. Try those and see how. Have fun with it. And I’m going to do the other one in the upcoming weeks. I anyhow, about AI anyhow for everybody to see. Have a lot of fun with it. Okay. Yeah. Nice, nice. Well, you know what I, where I was going with that though had to do with.

And maybe, you know, Joe has some idea as well how, you know, because I think that, you know, what the tactics that are used in the AI are probably going to be similar and you would know this more because you’ve been to, you’ve seen this or I guess I should ask you, is, is that something that you see as far as the tactics used against people, you know, trying to point out these definitions and things like that? Do you see that same kind of answer? Well, it’s, it’s, you know, courts have upheld, you know, the definition of state is 50 states, you know.

Oh, yeah, they just, well, they, they knew that they got these, you came across it. Sometimes the courts, you know, they just don’t want to upset the apple cart. Okay. Since 19, late 30s when President Roosevelt started putting some communists on the Supreme Court. For many, many decades, these guys were there and people like that. And so it was only changed after Trump came to power. Finally he got to nominate three Supreme Court justices, okay, that were, you know, much more freedom loving than the past. And things turned. We have for the first time ever, generally speaking, majority, five, four originalist, constitutionalist oriented Supreme Court justices and four of that don’t.

Three of them definitely don’t. Six of them generally do, but sometimes one or two of them don’t. So, yeah, things have changed. But yet the court would just ignore you and say, oh, we don’t have to respond to you with copious reasoning. You know, all this stuff, it’s a waste of time. They would just ignore you and rule against you. And unfortunately the lower court should still have that opinion. But it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter here because there’s about 80 million non filers according to IRS’s own best estimates. So with 80 million non filers, guess what? There’s no way they can come after all of you.

All non filers, but have only about 20 tax court judges. If you’re a non father, they have to give you a tax proposal letter called the notice of deficiency. Give you a chance to ask for hearing a full trial with the U.S. tax Court judge. There are simply not enough judges to handle 80 million cases per year of non filers. Even a tiny fraction of them. They cannot do that. That’s where they leave. Leave non filers alone. It’s too expensive to come after non filers. These court cases doesn’t matter. Okay, one. Here it is. Look at it on my screen.

IRS collects over $300 for every filer on average. For non filers, IRS collects under $3. If you’re in the IRS, would you rather spend a dollar and collect over $300 from filers or would you rather collect under $3 from non filers? The answer is pretty obvious. They’d rather go off their filers because over 100 times more profitable like $0. But I hear what you’re saying, so don’t worry about this court cases. People see the thing is going to automatically going to get them. It’s not true. That’s why Kara, you want to have your husband husband. Go through the seven steps on our website, okay? Would you watch them, honey? Make your husband a great dinner.

Okay, great dinner. I’m serious. One night and start watching from each step. Okay, great dinner. Mine and dining husband. And let’s watch for eight step one video step one, two, three, four, five. Night one. And later on second, third night, you can go through a bit more detail. Okay? Knowledge is the answer. Ignorance is the problem that leads to fear. And the love of truth shall set you free. Because the truth will free you. So with that, please give your husband a great dinner. Coming this weekend, maybe Saturday night I’ll watch the seven steps to be free of the IRS on our website.

Go through them with him and have a great evening with him. Okay, That’s a great idea. I’ve been trying to get him to. I have this amazing hamburger casserole I’ve been wanting to make him. So. Yeah, absolutely. It sounds great. One more quick question if I could and it’s sort of non sequitur and you don’t have to answer it, but when you were talking about all the fact that you know there’s so much that’s already collected by the states and really it goes on up federal government as well in fees and that sort of thing. I was thinking about, you kind of alluded to that and I apologize.

I don’t remember the exact statement that you made. I think it was to the caller a couple times ago. But I was wondering if you were aware of the technology about the comprehensive annual financial report. Yes, that was what you were referring to or if that was something else. Something else I’m aware, well, of KFR as you talked about. But that’s something beyond capper. I know about KAFRS 25 years ago. I heard about those. Yes. Yep, yep. Yeah, I talked with, I met the guy that, that actually discovered that in Massachusetts or someplace like that. Yes.

Yeah, he’s really neat guy. But yeah, anyway, that was. I appreciate your help on, on all this always came on and, and you know, keep up, keep up the good fight. Thanks so much for all you do. You’re welcome, my pleasure. Glad that we have helped you. Thanks for calling Kara. Alright folks, we’re going to go to questions online on this. There’s more questions you want to ask us orally. The number to call is 424-552-1299 and you press 1 on your telephone keypad if you have a question again. To get your question answered live now, call 4245521299 and then press 1 on your telephone keypad.

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Friends, relatives, co workers. Okay? Easy to read, very easy to read. Big friends. But better yet, in your car, watch. I’m sorry. Listen to our videos. Play them. Watch the road. Listen and learn as you drive safely. Then at lunch, at work, or dear, at home, watch it again. This time, watch and verify that what you’re hearing is actually the law that I’m talking about for you or government’s own official reports. Okay? That’s the way folks to lose all the fear. That’s the way to get the confidence. That’s the way to know you are doing the true, right, legal, safe thing for yourself and your family.

And also text people, okay? And email your friends. Here it is, our website. Okay, step one, unfollow the law. The video or this page or the brochure. Reach brochures right here that I’ve showed you. You can have these brochures also downloaded or share the link with other people that you know. Okay, so share it with them. Ask them. Look, I want to collect the $50,000 on this brochure on the back. Help me collect it, please. 12 pages. This guy makes this incredible claims that are unbelievable. He says no law requires 99% of Americans to file and pay income and payroll taxes.

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