Summary
➡ The text discusses the Rosenau experiments conducted during the Spanish flu pandemic, where attempts to transmit the disease to healthy prisoners failed, challenging the idea of contagion. It also criticizes the methods used to prove contagion, such as injecting diseased tissue into animals, and argues that these methods are not natural or controlled. The text suggests that the definition of viruses and pandemics has been changed to fit certain narratives, and that the techniques used in virology are not adequate to prove their claims. It concludes by stating that the germ theory and the idea of contagion have never been conclusively proven.
➡ The government has successfully reduced spending before and can do it again. It’s crucial to focus on the middle class and offer opportunities for property ownership. The speaker argues that the current inflation is due to government spending, not just from one party but all. They also emphasize the importance of the Second Amendment and criticize red flag laws, arguing that they infringe on this right.
➡ The text discusses the popularity of Donald Rainwater in Indiana due to his stance on property taxes, and how this could influence other politicians to address the issue. It also mentions the importance of public support and participation in political matters. The text then transitions to a discussion about health, specifically cancer treatments and the use of dietary supplements. It criticizes the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA for prioritizing profit over health, and highlights the need for alternative treatments and therapies.
➡ The text discusses the secrecy surrounding the use of natural remedies by high-profile individuals, such as a king and Kate Middleton, to treat serious illnesses like cancer. It also criticizes the pharmaceutical industry’s control over health information and the promotion of treatments like chemotherapy and radiation, which can have harmful side effects. The text suggests that the public is often misled about the effectiveness of natural remedies and the link between vaccines and autism. It emphasizes the importance of understanding that diseases are systemic issues, not just isolated symptoms, and that maintaining overall health is crucial.
➡ Ronald Reagan, the former U.S. President, survived stage four cancer by opting for natural therapy instead of chemotherapy. This was kept a secret during his presidency. The natural therapy involved nutritional therapy for cancer, which was provided by Dr. Hans Nieper from West Germany. Despite the success of this treatment, it was kept hidden due to opposition from big pharmaceutical companies.
➡ The text discusses the importance of addressing underlying health issues naturally, rather than relying solely on medical treatments. It suggests that certain deficiencies, like a lack of vitamin B17, can lead to health problems such as cavities. The text criticizes the medical community for overprescribing medications and not fully disclosing safety concerns. It also mentions skepticism towards vaccines and the suppression of natural remedies for diseases like Covid.
➡ The article discusses concerns about censorship and the importance of freedom of speech, particularly on platforms like Facebook. It criticizes Mark Zuckerberg and other tech giants for controlling information and suggests that people should seek out platforms that don’t censor the truth. The article also touches on health freedom, with a focus on alternative cancer treatments and the importance of natural remedies. It emphasizes the need for individuals to take control of their health and information, rather than relying on mainstream sources.
➡ The text discusses the benefits of a seed, possibly apricot, which is believed to have health benefits but is disliked due to its taste. Efforts are being made to make it more palatable by grinding it into a meal for smoothies or oatmeal. The seed is also available in capsule form for those who dislike the taste. The text also criticizes the pharmaceutical industry for suppressing natural remedies and emphasizes the importance of supporting the immune system for overall health.
➡ The text emphasizes the importance of eating healthy, natural foods and avoiding processed ones to maintain good health and prevent diseases like cancer. It suggests avoiding dairy, gluten, and sugar, and highlights the need for supplements due to the poor quality of most available food. The text also mentions a collaboration with Dr. Group to create liposomal versions of B17, a naturally occurring substance, to enhance its absorption in the body. Lastly, it encourages self-education and seeking alternatives to mainstream systems for better health and well-being.
➡ The article discusses the issues in virology, comparing it to theoretical physics. It suggests that virologists, like physicists, infer the existence of something they can’t directly observe, such as a virus or dark matter. The article also criticizes the use of PCR tests and computer-generated images to make viruses seem real. It questions the origin of genetic sequences used in virology, suggesting they are based on pseudoscience and assumptions rather than solid evidence.
➡ The text discusses the unpredictable effects of injecting genetic material into cells, a process used in vaccines. It highlights concerns about bypassing the body’s natural defenses and the potential harm of substances like aluminum when injected rather than ingested. The text also criticizes the increasing number of vaccines given to children and the lack of long-term studies on their effects. It mentions how doctors are financially incentivized to promote vaccines and penalized for questioning their safety. Lastly, it mentions a doctor who found vaccinated children had more health issues, but his medical license was revoked for sharing this information.
➡ From 1946 to 1990, a unit operated to study the common cold, trying to find its cause and how to prevent it. Despite their efforts, they couldn’t find a solution, but they did discover various viruses. Their experiments often showed that people would get symptoms if they expected to, suggesting a psychological effect. The idea of a mutating common cold and the concept of immunity are questioned, as they are unfalsifiable and inconsistent.
➡ The text discusses the impact of COVID-19 on wealth distribution, with a small number of corporations ending up with more resources. It also explores the concept of diseases and their causes, suggesting that environmental toxins, psychological influences, and nutritional deficiencies can lead to illness. The authors encourage people to focus on health and wellness, rather than fear of disease, and to consider their own actions and environments when they or their children fall ill. They argue that understanding and addressing these factors can lead to improved health and wellbeing.
➡ The text discusses a conversation with Dr. Mark Bailey and Dr. Samantha Bailey about their book, “The Final Pandemic”, which aims to end medical tyranny. The conversation also includes a discussion with Donald Rainwater, who is running for governor in Indiana with a focus on reducing the size and scope of government and safeguarding individual rights. The text emphasizes the importance of understanding the role of government and the need for states to hold the federal government accountable.
➡ The Indiana General Assembly is spending surplus funds instead of returning them to citizens, causing frustration among residents. Property taxes are increasing due to yearly reassessments, making it difficult for some, especially senior citizens, to afford their homes. The state government is focusing on attracting large corporations, causing a shortage of workers for small businesses and leading to a net loss of these businesses over the past decade. This, along with the loss of family farming, is causing an economic crisis in Indiana, with the government favoring large corporations over small businesses and individual entrepreneurs.
➡ The text discusses how government funding, particularly in relation to COVID relief, has been used and potentially misused. It suggests that politicians often receive large sums of money from businesses as investments, expecting returns in the form of favorable policies. The text also mentions the significant increase in state budget spending due to increased federal funding. Lastly, it proposes a reform in property tax, suggesting it should be based on the purchase price of the property and capped at a maximum of seven years.
➡ Local governments can offer tax breaks to businesses, which can last up to eight years, depending on the investment and jobs created. The article discusses the unfairness of property taxes, as they often increase due to inflation, not because the property’s value has increased. The author suggests a different approach to property tax, where homeowners pay a small percentage for a few years and then are done. The article also criticizes the double taxation on gasoline and vehicles in Indiana, and suggests cutting government spending by 10-15% to alleviate financial strain on citizens.
Transcript
But I think most of you who watch this show are. And so I wanted to cover the book. This is, we have a couple of doctors from New Zealand. The book is the Final Pandemic, an antidote to medical tyranny. And it really is the antidote to medical tyranny. We want however to make sure that we have answered the questions and the objections. And that’s why I wanted to get them on. That’s a very thorough book. My guests are Dr. Mark Bailey and Dr. Samantha Bailey. They are married. Both of them are physicians in New Zealand. So thank you for joining us.
Thank you, thank you. And of course let me give the website as well. It’s Dr. Sam DrSambailey.com and so that’s where you can find more information. You can find the book everywhere. But thank you for joining us. And it is fascinating. I haven’t been able to read the entire book, but I’ve read a great deal of it. You’ve done another book that was 400 pages long, had 1400 references. This one’s about 180 pages long and it’s got, so I get it wrote down here, 444 references. So you document the stuff very well. People can do their own research.
It’s a great beginning point for somebody if they want to question the foundation of what has happened to us for the last four years. But let’s begin by letting you give us a little bit of your background as physicians. What caused you to question something that most people say is non questionable orthodoxy? Well, thank you David for that really great introduction to introduce this topic. And as you mentioned, Sam and I were both conventionally trained doctors. I graduated in 1999, one of the last doctors to graduate from the last century and was in the medical system for two decades now.
During that time, there were definitely speed bumps for me. I questioned what we were doing a lot of the time. Many of the things we did with regard to pharmaceuticals, vaccines and surgery were not things that I would do to myself or to my family. So there was always that uneasy relationship. Now, despite having an established career in medicine, I decided to leave in 2016. I hated the structure of the medical system, was having increasing amounts of conflict with other practitioners within the system because of disagreements about what we were doing, and decided to completely get out of it.
Now, the best thing to come out of my medical career was meeting my wife Sam next to me here. So we met in 2007 when we were both hospital doctors and we worked in all kinds of specialties, including clinical trials. So we were research physicians supervising first time human dosing of new pharmaceuticals and spent quite a few years getting to grips with how the biotech industry worked and how the pharmaceutical industry worked and how they funded studies and how they got new products to market. So that was a fascinating insight for both of us. Now in 2016, I was so done with medicine that I said to Sam, I think you’ve got to get out because I really believe it’s going to get worse.
And Sam said, yeah, it’s pretty bad, but she had some work that she was enjoying and I’ll hand over to Sam before we get to 2020 and what happened? I’ll hand over to Sam. Okay. Yeah. So basically I was still working in clinical trials and I had great patience and I loved the work and I wasn’t ready to kind of leave. And anyway, and then I formed my own business, which was like an online doctor business. And this was kind of the first of its kind in New Zealand before all this became normal. And by chance I got kind of invited to become a TV present on a.
On a health show like in a mainstream network in New Zealand. So I did that and I really loved it. And one of my friends suggested that I should start my own YouTube channel. So I did that at the kind of end of 2019, going into 2020. And then this is the real start of my awakening, when you actually hit the kind of wall of what you’re allowed to do. And so people were asking about coronavirus and what, you know, what it means, and I didn’t know. And I would, I’d hunker down with Mark and we’d kind of research and answer a lot of these questions.
And we came across this book, Virus Mania, which was a huge shift in Everything that I once thought to believe. And it was actually Mark who sat me down because he read the book first. And yeah, yeah, it was one of those situations, David, where I was. I’d been out of medicine for four years when this whole Covid thing started and I wanted to stay out. And as Sam says, she started this YouTube channel. And by January 2020, people are saying, what’s this rumor coming out of Wuhan? Can you talk about it? Can you talk about these things? And I started researching and the first thing I looked at was the World Health Organization documents.
And I said to Sam, there’s nothing here. These are just so called expert opinions. They refer to some protocols, they refer to historical events. I can’t find the foundational science behind what they’re talking about here. Then around February, we start seeing publications claiming that they’ve found this novel virus and it’s causing a new disease. Now, Sam and I as clinicians looked at these papers and said, what new disease? This is pneumonia. This is all of the same things we’ve seen before. There’s nothing special about these patients. And then people would say, well, look at the CT scans.
And we’d say, yep, those lungs, that’s generic kind of findings for people with pneumonia. This place, Wuhan, is obviously highly polluted. There’s plenty of reasons why people are going to get sick there. And we don’t see anything novel going on here. So that led, as Sam says, to the discovery of virus mania. Sam subsequently became a co author of that book. But at that time, it was new to us and we started looking into biology and we just couldn’t believe it because there were two things that were apparent. One was that when we were at medical school and working as doctors, the wool had been pulled over our eyes.
We had not been shown all of the failed experiments that had taken place over a century. And also we didn’t realize that people had been trying to get this information out for years. So we had the Perth Group in Australia. We had Dr. Stefan Lanker, David Crow, other people, Carrie Malice, who, you know, had various views. But one of them was that there were major problems with aspects of virology. So we discovered this and our audience just kept saying, go deeper, go deeper. And so before long, in 2020, we found that we were at the tip of the spear with Andy Kaufman and Tom Cowan and Mike Stone, Christine Massey and all of these other great individuals that decided in 2020 that they’d dedicate to researching these issues.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is amazing. I came at it From a different angle, which we, you know, my audience is familiar with, came at it from Dark Winter and the Germ Games and things like that. And you know, when they started doing this and there wasn’t really anybody dying and they declare a pandemic, like, wait a minute, this is not even an epidemic. So it truly has been an amazing thing to see how they were able to pull this off and how long it lasted. But I want to get to the root of the cause and that really is the pandemic.
And when we’re talking about a pandemic, we’re really talking about. It’s not so much even really the existence of a virus or a germ, but it’s about being able to prove that this is being transmitted, that you’ve isolated this, that it’s being that it’s able to transmit it as a contagion, that it can make people sick, that it can replicate that type of thing. Talk a little bit about what the problems are with that. Yeah, well, I guess contagion studies itself are one of the best first windows to get into because it opens people’s minds. Because you don’t know.
Well, most people don’t know that. There have been major studies that have been done in the past exposing the problem with contagion. And the best example I always, because this is what really woke me up, was the Rosenau experiments that were done in the States where they had a group. This is during the Spanish flu time. So the Spanish 1918. Yeah. The gold standard of all the pandemics. That’s one that everybody wants to talk about. Yeah. And we’ve actually made quite a few videos on these subjects because I think it’s really important to unravel because there’s lots of things going on.
But what people understood so with these Rosenau experiments was that they had a group of about 50 patients that were prisoners who on a condition of getting out of prison early, they could partake in this study which was to be around extremely sick Spanish flu patients. And these are usually young men and at the height of their illness and then they had to basically cough in their faces, take mucus secretions from their nose and eyes and rub it in the prisoners eyes. These healthy volunteers, they took samples, blood samples, they did everything you can imagine to try and make these prisoners, these healthy prisoners sick.
And none of them got sick. And they’ve repeated the. These experiments were repeated and again, they could never transmit the so called illness. And we have to remember here, David, these were allegedly the most infectious diseases that humanity’s ever seen. Yes. And yet when gets put into the experiments, no transmission. And then from there we looked into everything. So there are two different things to consider. One is the microbes that we can see, so bacteria, fungal cells, et cetera. And the other is these imagined ones which are the viruses. And they have tried transmission studies with all of these things and it is just astounding.
The evidence relies on things. Take polio for instance. That was a case of taking diseased tissue from a dead child and mashing it up some spinal cord tissue and injecting it into monkeys brains. And if it killed them or gave them paralysis, they would conclude, well, that’s evidence of transmission. Completely nonsensical, no control experiment. And we all know that injecting foreign material directly into an animal’s brain is likely to cause a massive reaction and possible death through to things like the measles and chickenpox. Now we’re all told that you’re in the same room as someone, you’re going to pick it up or someone’s going to pick it up, it can travel through the air, over distance, et cetera.
This has never been shown in a scientific study. Instead what they refer to, and everyone relies on this, the cdc, Wikipedia, the textbooks, wherever you look, the medical schools, what they rely on are studies like with the measles and chickenpox, they will take fluid from a diseased human, so they have the skin rash and the fluid buildup, take some of that fluid, inject it into an animal and then if that animal gets a rash, declare that that shows contagion. Complete nonsense. Because these are not natural roots and these are not controlled studies. And also with regard to the germ theory, there’s no independent variable.
So they haven’t shown that they found a germ that by itself could cause all of these problems. And people will be astounded. I mean this is everything, this is things like gonorrhea, the so called sexually transmitted infections. We’ve made presentations about this. Sam’s done videos about how these things have not been shown to transmit via natural roots in settings that you would see in nature. So it really is an incredible state of affairs. And the problem is that everyone comes at you with the anecdotal stories and says, well explain this. And we’ve spent a lot of time saying, well that’s not a scientific study, it’s an anecdotal story.
Because we go to the scientific studies which show something quite different. Yeah, in the foreword of your book you talk about four different Things circular. Well, kind of explain that, the logical fallacies of this before we talk about some of the anecdotal stuff, because I do want to come back to the measles things, because that’s really the obstacle. Things like that, I guess, are the obstacle that we in the general population have in terms of leaving this paradigm. But talk first about what you have in the foreword about the four key errors that are there when they’re trying to present this as a pandemic.
Well, I think so. Are you talking about the forward. The circular logic? Yeah, the circular logic. The, you know, isolating something instead of having an isolate, having some kind of a computer sequence that they kind of guessed at the PCR test, you know, things like that. Yeah. And as excellent forward Professor Tim Noakes basically summarizes what us and other researchers have been exposing over many years now, and this is the fact that the techniques of virology are not adequate enough to show what they are claiming. So what they are claiming is that they’re. The definition of virus, for one, has changed so many times and they continue to change it, so.
Oh yeah, they changed it with just before the so called pandemic. They changed it significantly. They changed the definition of pandemic. Yeah, the definition of virus, definition, pandemic, the definition of vaccine, they all changed right before. That’s nothing suspicious at all, right? No. And the word virus is so ethereal that even the virologists don’t seem to know what it means half the time. And I suspect if you asked many doctors or scientists what it actually means, they wouldn’t know because we actually spent ages researching this stuff. And you find documents all over the place which talk about all these different things.
But essentially what people imagine is that there is a particle, an infectious particle, tiny little thing that you can only see within electron microscope, and that somehow the virologists have been isolating this. And when we say isolating, most people will think physically isolating, not changing the definition of isolation, and then using these particles to do an experiment, using it as an independent variable. So for instance, we could say if you suspect that a bacterial cell like E. Coli, which is found commonly causes disease, you isolate E. Coli and they do this all the time. And then you run your experiments and see is it pathogenic, can it cause disease by itself, can it attack healthy tissue? So that’s all fine.
The virologist can’t do that because they can’t find the independent variable. So when they take diseased tissue and extract it directly, they can’t identify the viruses in there, it doesn’t look any different than tissue that’s said not to have viruses in general. So instead they resort to the cell culture technique, which Professor Noakes talks about in his introduction. Now, the problem with this technique is that it’s indirect. They didn’t identify the virus in the first place. So they start conflating things and instead of finding an independent variable, they look at the results of the experiment, which is the breakdown of tissue in their cell culture, and then say, well, that must have been due to the virus.
But this is a complete circular reasoning, logical fallacy. But I’ve seen the virus. It’s a little spiky ball. It’s in all the articles. Every time they talk about it, we got a little spiky ball. There’s. What’s that? Sam did a whole video on electron microscopy, because that is an issue in itself about the nature of what, what you can image, whether it represents living tissue. But here’s the biggest problem with it. Those images appear after the fact, not before. So those little particles that they’re imaging are the result. So they’re the dependent variable in the experiment.
They’re not an independent variable that was identified at the start. Now, this is not permitted in science. You can’t create an independent variable after the fact. You have to start with it, because that’s the thing you’re supposed to manipulate. But because they can’t do that with viruses, they get into the circular reasoning. Cell breakdown equals virus, you know, virus equals cell breakdown. And we keep pointing out to them, where is the independent variable. How can we prove that this is what happened? So, yeah, a lot of the introduction is Professor Noakes outlining, summarizing. What many of us have pointed out over the years is that these techniques that they are using, and that’s from everything through to the cell culture, through to the genomics and PCR, etc.
Are invalid because they don’t follow the scientific method. They are not controlled experiments, and they should never ever have been permitted to go this far because what we’re dealing with here is a hypothesis that has been refuted. It is not a theory, because a theory implies that it has been tested and found to withstand all attacks, you know, all falsification, which is simply not the case. But. Sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt you. Go ahead. Did you want to finish? Yes, certainly. Let us know if there are other aspects, genomics, PCR, etc. That you want to discuss, because there are just so many areas to this.
But people need to understand. It’s all been built up on the foundational forward that a germ theory and contagion was never shown to be valid. And with regard to virology, the single biggest issue has been they never found these particles in nature. They were artifacts from experiments. They were imaginings in people’s minds. They were not solid scientific evidence. Yeah, and I want to talk about those other aspects, but I just wanted to interject here with the first one of these logical fallacies and the foreword that was written. I forgot the. Dr. Tim Noakes. Okay. But there was an interesting article and they taught, they made parallels between virology and physics.
And they said the people who were doing the physicists will tell you that they don’t know. And they’re trying to get. So give them more money because they got to do more study. The virologist will tell you they know everything, give them more money. And when I look at it, it seems like when you say that they’re inferring the existence of something that they haven’t actually been able to isolate or measure or directly observe, that it’s very much like what the physicists do with dark matter. I think, you know, where they look at it, they see some kind of an effect and then they create an abstraction, a theory to try to.
Or hypothesis to try to explain what they’re observing. But they can’t directly observe that thing. They can’t observe dark matter, they can’t observe directly the virus, and they see the after effects of it and then they come up with this hypothesis that it exists. Is that right? Would you say that’s correct way of looking at it, or am I wrong? Definitely. And I mean, I’ve had people reach out to me who are theoretical visitors saying that they realize the problems with virology because it parallels exactly their own experience with theoretical physics. And the trouble is, there’s all these other things that make it real for people.
Like you’ve got PCR tests which make it real for people, you know, the lateral flow or rat tests. People have one of those and they go, oh, well, I’m sick. So this makes it real. They see pictures of it which are just computer drawings of what a virus is supposed to be. And they think that that makes it real. And this is the problem is that was it. The Perth group once said that they have the virus. Yeah. Meaning that once they introduce this word into the public’s imagination, it takes a lot to reverse it because everyone has witnessed people getting sick in clusters.
They have seen what they Believe as chickenpox and influenza, et cetera, which are all conditions that the body goes through. No doubt. But the problem is an explanation was given to them and most people have accepted it. And we have to be honest, David, that when we were at medical school and practicing physicians, we believed this too. And now we can see that it is so incorrect and that there are other explanations for these things. But that’s why one of Sam’s ideas was to systematically deal with every virus that I’ve ever invented. But we realized that this, this is a big topic, you know, this would be like going through the Lord of the Rings and writing, writing dossiers for every single character, writing about their background.
And this is what we have to do. So. But we’ve sort of covered the main ones, you know, Epstein Barr and measles and influenza, common colds obviously Covid, all this kind of stuff, HIV and making videos about every single one to show people that there are other explanat and that the foundation and people can find that at Dr. Sam Bailey. B A I L E Y yeah, you didn’t do the silmarillion, you just kind of stayed on Sauron kind of focus on that. The and I think the genius of the PCR test abused by Fauci from AIDS on is that it gives us illusion of objective measurement which is not there at all.
The way they magnify this stuff is absolutely absurd. But I think that’s the real genius. As you point out, the pictures that they create of, you know, the spiky ball and everything. And so they create these pictures, computer animated pictures. They got PCR which is about as connected, maybe not even as connected to reality as the computer generated stuff. But then talk a little bit about the computer generated genetic sequences that they use because since they can’t observe this, they create a genetic sequence and they send that around, right? Yeah. What we focus a lot on here is the origin and significance of these sequences.
And I wrote a paper, a farewell to Virology a couple of years ago. It’s about 29,000 words. It carefully lays out the problems of the virological techniques, including a lot of it being dedicated to genomics now. And we’ve shown that take something like these coronaviruses for instance, and they say, well we’ve been sequencing these, typing them for years. We can go back to our databases, we can trace their evolution through their so called phylogenetic trees, all this kind of stuff. Well, we don’t get distracted with that because you know, a lot of people will look get stuck in the weeds.
And they’ll go, well, look at this sequence, and look at that sequence, and look how that’s mutated. Sam and I just go, all very interesting, but show us the source documents here. And what I did in a farewell to virology with alleged coronaviruses was trace back to the original papers where they claimed that they were coming up with the genomes of these entities. Now, I carefully document this. This is around 1982 to 1984. Those papers are complete pseudoscience. There’s no controls in them. They simply have diseased tissue that they’re doing experiments with chick embryos and such tissue, and then they are sequencing the genetic sequences.
But at no stage did they find any viruses. They just assumed. They said, oh, we’ve got tissue breakdown. We’ve got these lesions that are forming. We suspect that there’s a virus in there. We’re going to take sequences. These were mixed tissues, okay? These got all sorts of things in them with the chick embryos and other fluids, etc. And they said, well, these sequences, they don’t seem to come from where we expected, so we’ll call them, quote, viral sequences. And they were deposited into a database. Then other people all around the world started doing sequences and said, hey, we’ve found very similar sequences, therefore we have also found the virus.
And the thing is, David, you can do this anywhere. And this is the whole problem now with what we call metagenomics, which is simply taking environmental samples. So this could be the snot up someone’s nose, it could be the sewer. They seem to love taking samples out of the sewer. They do. It could be an orange cow’s milk. It could be cow’s milk wherever you want to go. And you look for these genetic sequences. Now, the power of PCR to amplify sequences is incredible. So it can find the tiniest amounts now. So there are two issues here.
One is, well, where did they come from? Because they never, ever showed that there was a virus that contained these sequences. And even if they did show such a particle, where was the evidence that that is the cause of the problem in the organism? Because we know, and every scientist who’s involved in genomics should accept this because it is fact that different sequences can appear when organisms are sick. So when you get sick and have a cold or a flu, your body, your cells will start expressing different sequences and they will start coming out in your snot and fluids, etc.
It doesn’t mean you got attacked from the outside by some microscopic entity. It Just means that your body is going through a process where it will produce these sequences. And again, we’ve been very careful with the stuff, we traced back things. So, for instance, the spike protein sequences, which cause a lot of excitement in recent years, well, these are nothing new. These are just sequences that were described as far back as the 80s, or at least 1990, from our investigations. And you find them in tissue breakdown experiments, you find them in mammals and birds, you will find them in humans, etc.
But it doesn’t mean that you’ve found the virus, et cetera, because the same techniques have failed over and over again. They can’t isolate these particles, they can’t use them as an independent variable, et cetera. But yeah, you’ll see, like I’ve been engaged in debates with genomics experts and stuff, and it’s really difficult because I think they honestly believe this stuff and you can’t get them to just go back back to the foundational studies. Where’s the virus, we always say, because it’s simply not there. Yeah. And when you talk about the spike protein, the spike protein that seems to be generated by the MRNA vaccines, what do you make of that? And the fact that it seems to be replicating.
Is that our first virus? What do you make of that? Yeah, there’s a whole lot of problems here. One, it’s not sure if it does generate once it’s been injected, because a lot of the experiments are done in vitro in test tubes. So when you do that, you’ve got single cells and you can transfect them, you can put genetic material in there and get them to start producing proteins. So that’s technology that’s been around for a long time. I mean, what would we say is that it’s an inflammatory type product, whatever it does inside the body.
But I guess for us, David, we always focus upstream and say you don’t even inject these products because their effects are unpredictable. Even, quote, regular products that they inject in the childhood schedule, the effects are highly unpredictable, even though much, much more is known about what they contain. But you’ll get anything from no reaction to children that are permanently disabled by the injection. So I think, like all things, we don’t focus too much on that, except it’s helping people who think that the spike protein is something new and novel, et cetera, is that it’s not. It’s simply a class of protein that’s been described for many decades now.
And yeah, if it does get produced in your body, not a good idea, but that’s we would emphasize that that’s the same principle for every single injectable product in this category, there is no possible health benefit to the recipient. It bypasses the natural route of how we, you know, how we deal with, I guess, foreign material into our body. So, like every time an injection, you’re just bypassing so many natural routes. And this is the problem, the biggest problem with vaccines is that if you get loaded with aluminium, we can deal with it if we ingest it because it just passes through our system.
But if it’s injected, it doesn’t. It’s sequestered in the bone, in the brain, and that’s the problem with it. Analogy for people is the reason you can swallow snake venom but you cannot inject it because that can be potentially fatal. Whereas most people wouldn’t notice if that swallowed a bit. Wow. Yeah, I didn’t know that about snake venom, but I’m not going to try. I’ll take your word for it. You know, just out of curiosity. Just out of curiosity. I think last I saw we were over 90 injections that they put into kids in America. I know we’ve got more than any other country.
What’s the ballpark figure there in New Zealand for childhood? Yeah, okay. Yeah, it’s high. I don’t think we’re quite as high as America. But the worst part in New Zealand is that we have a very high uptake, percentage wise anyway, so that’s the. I think the. But it has gone down in saying that people have woken up to so many different vaccines since COVID they’ve started questioning everything. I don’t know, the. Yeah, I think, I mean, we’re still in the dozen, dozens and dozens here. And the one difference is the United States starts right from day dot, whereas in New Zealand they tend to wait a few weeks.
Not that either approach is the correct one, but I mean, as we point out in the final pandemic, this is one of the biggest scams in history. And if you want to expose it, people can simply ask their family doctor, well, what is in these injections? Like, so my child’s coming in, you’re the expert, apparently. Tell me, please, what is contained within these injections that we’re putting in? And also perhaps asking, what is the history of this disease you’re supposedly presenting? Because, I mean, it’s so apparent that most of these things and there are problems with diagnosis of entities called smallpox and measles, and they’re all just conditions that the body goes through.
But even on their own terms, the work of the team of Dissolving Illusions. The charts that have been produced by Greg Beatty and Jordan Henderson are so damning for the whole vaccine story. Some of these diseases were down in mortality by over 99% before the introduction of the vaccine. So what a preposterous situation. I think that was whooping cough, wasn’t it? That was down by 99%. I think in the book here. Yeah, lots of them were. And yeah, we include some charts from Bestrianik and Humphreys from Dissolving Illusions there, which is just superb. And the crazy thing is here, David, is that last century it was so apparent that these so called infectious diseases had all but disappeared.
They were not significant at all. And yet here we are in 2024. The narrative is that they’re worse than ever and we’re being attacked by even more germs now. And you need to have 10 times the number of vaccines that your grandparents have. Yeah. When I was going through and looking at the childhood schedule here in the United States, I was surprised, first of all to see how many there were. And then when I saw the schedule, the fact that they’re giving the same vaccine over and over and over again, I thought that was something that was new.
With the COVID stuff, I’d never seen that they’re doing something on a quarterly basis or a six month basis for young kids. It’s no wonder that we have this epidemic, so many epidemics of illness, autism and other things like that, when they load it up and it’s simply for profit. Now in the United States we’ve had, I think it was Children’s Health Defense, talked to a physician, a pediatrician, who was explaining the economics of it and the fact that the insurance companies would actually require a high uptake percentage from the patients or they would basically destroy the practice financially.
Now in New Zealand they have government is paying you if you’re a physician, is that correct? And they’re setting all the different policies for how many vaccines, is that correct exactly? Well, they have in New Zealand what they call socialist system, where it’s capitation, so the doctors get a 3 monthly slab of money if they do what the government says. And one of the requirements is a certain uptake of vaccines. And what’s really interesting with it too is that how they classify whether someone’s been vaccinated or not. So for example, with COVID what people keep getting reminders to say, come in, come in, come in.
Because it’s to do with their funding and the target they’re supposed to reach and so the way to get off that system from the medical practice’s perspective is to say we’re going to class you as what? What was it? Ineligible. This is why in New Zealand you’ll see these ridiculous statistics and they’ll say all this area of New Zealand had 98% uptake. It’s because many of the people who were not injected said they didn’t want it and then they’d put ineligible. No, that’s a refusal is how it should have gone down. And I mean this is nothing new.
We’ve exposed this before with the CDC statistics with things like tetanus. They will say things like you’re unvaccinated if you couldn’t remember when your last vaccine was done. So this is a long term trick that’s been done and it’s often used to try to make out that vaccines are effective and safe and all this kind of stuff when the statistics simply do not back that up. And the big teller is, and we didn’t know this either until we started researching in 2020, just look at randomised control trials involving vaccines and there are virtually none. And the ones that they do have are so preposterous.
Like the follow up is for a week or a month, that’s it. They don’t follow them after that or they do crossovers where the people that didn’t get it then get it so that you can’t see any of the long term effects that might have happened because otherwise it’s unethical. And also there are a couple of randomized control trials that Sam and the team mentioned in Virus Mania where they had worse outcomes for the ones that were getting very bad in terms of death rates. But of course they don’t publish. They do publish, but then they quickly sweep them under the carpet and pretend that it didn’t happen.
So, and you probably, you may have got to that chapter of the book where we point out what happened when the United States Dr. Paul Thomas collected his own statistics on childhood vaccines. And he said, guys, major problem here that all the kids getting vaccines are having far more of these so called autoimmune disorders and allergies, allergies, disruptions in their behavior, et cetera. And he said, I’ve got, this is the one of the biggest data sets ever being collected. What was the response in the United States they revoked his medical license and said they would prosecute him.
So I mean, this is the outrageous situation and people have to understand that, that if you’re going to see a licensed md, most of them are restricted by legislation in terms of money. Yeah. A, they are incentivized and they will be punished severely if they go against the vaccine narrative. Well. And so I really appreciate both of you putting your career behind you in a sense so that you can tell the truth and follow the science wherever it goes. Let me. Let’s get back to the contagion stuff. We definitely all agree on the vaccine thing. I thought it was very interesting when you talked about the UK’s Common Cold Unit.
I’d never heard of that. Something that they operated for about 50 years, 1946 to 1990. So about 45 years, 44 years. Tell people about that. What they did at their common cold unit. Well, it was a bit of a holiday park, really. It was a getaway for involving coronaviruses, apparently. Yeah, the housewives and things that were just a little bit. Wanted a bit of a holiday, they could book into the common cold unit where they were just discovering lots of different, you know, trying to find out the cause of the. Of the common cold. It was really funny, David, because they did all these attempts at transmission and I should point out an excellent book too here by the Australian author Daniel Reuters, just published recently, can you catch a cold? Because he looks at this stuff in great detail and he looks at 200 plus transmission studies, which really goes against this whole contagion model.
Anyway, the common cold unit. So they were convinced that because common colds, you know, cause the British population to have so many days off work, that wouldn’t it be great just to get to the bottom of it and work out what caused them and how to stop them, etc. And it became apparent, you know, pretty early on that they were not really getting anywhere with trying to work out what exactly caused them or B how to prevent them. So instead what they resorted to was discovering viruses. And this is where everything you’ve heard about adenoviruses, rhinoviruses, coronaviruses, it all stems, or a lot of it stems from this common cold unit that was operating just after World War II.
And what they were doing was basically just people would come in with symptoms of a cold and the virologist would take a sample of snot from their nose and he would put it in a vial and he would say, I have just isolated a new virus actually. And we were looking at it going, how did. Well, he said, look, I put it in this file and I put a label on the side and I’m going to call this one an adenovirus or a coronavirus. And they simply did experiments by adding things like ether, etc. And saw if it broke down.
And on these sort of indirect measures they said that they were discovering these contagious entities. But I mean, it was farcical because for four decades they basically came up with nothing. Now keep in mind, they were trying to invent vaccines and when they closed the unit down, they basically said, look, it’s not possible. We’ve tried it with these entities and there’s just nothing doing, basically. And it was the same with the pharmaceuticals. They came up with no drug, etc. So we didn’t know about this. I mean, at medical school they don’t teach you these things. And what they show you is the fake highlights reel which just shows you all these papers purporting to show, quote, viruses.
But when you look at the methodology, all of the problems we’ve just discussed, no isolation of a physical particle, no independent variable in any of their experiments, and many times they found that people, and this is really important, would get the symptoms if they expected to get the symptoms. So they were sneezed on by someone and they were told, this person has a cold and you may now get the cold. And the next day the person would say, yes, my throat is a bit scratchy or whatever. And then they would say, oh well actually the original person didn’t have a cold, so we’re not sure what’s going on there.
Or they would put inert substances like just saline, just salt water and drop that up someone’s nose. And you know, they did attempt to do some, well, you can’t really call them controls because they still didn’t have an independent variable, but they tried to. They would put completely inert substances up people’s noses and then say, we have just infected you with the virus. Sure enough, within hours the person’s coming down with what looks like a cold and then they tell them, oh no, sorry, actually that was just normal saline. And then within hours everything disappears and they go back to normal.
So amazing the psychological effects and to see. But in general, these so called highly contagious entities were not shown to be anything of the sort. And most of the time they really struggle to get sick people to make, well, people unwell. And perhaps too, I think we should point out some classic examples here of particularly men who have worked in stations around the Arctic Circle in these highly remote areas where they are not in contact with anyone for weeks, months at a time, they also get these cold and flu symptoms. Yeah, well, it’s very cold there that’s what you’re always saying.
It was like the temperature I was wiping. People called it a call. George Washington goes out writing by himself and the cold and he gets very sick and they bring the doctors in and they basically remove most of his blood and gave him massive amounts of mercury and he died. That’s the kind of. I said, you know, when we look at all this stuff, it really is talking about the psychosomatic stuff there. The science in this is really mostly behavioral science that we saw throughout all this. But we’ve been told all these years that, you know, they can’t find a common cold, a common cold cure because it keeps mutating.
And we saw. We heard that same stuff throughout all the COVID stuff. We’ve heard it throughout all the years when they try to sell the flu shot, the same type of thing. And the way that they marketed the COVID pandemic and the way they marketed the vaccine at the beginning was very similar in the United States, the way they always marketed the annual flu shot, scaring everybody about it and saying, you know, well, we got a massive number of cases here and you’re going to have to get this because it’s going to minimize how bad this case is going to be for you.
Same stuff recycled that they’ve been doing for years and years. Yeah. And I think another important point to bring up is the psychological priming that goes on with things like movies and press release science. So we’re. The public is conditioned to expect this is what’s going to happen with a pandemic. And there were so many movies like that brought out to kind of. So that when we actually see it, we’re kind of expecting it and go, oh, yes, this is. This is in my memory. There’s something there that, you know, feels really familiar. And so conditioned response to that.
Yeah. And I think too, not only within the Hollywood and TV sector have they been preparing the public, particularly since the 1990s. That’s when a whole lot of. And we were coming off the back of the, you know, the fake HIV epidemic. You know, AIDS is something that’s a real syndrome, but the cause of it is not what they’ve been telling people. And so we had these movies, of course, like Philadelphia, and, you know, they really did scare the public. And then on top of that, we had Outbreak and Contagion and all these other movies which were massive, massive blockbusters.
And they became almost more popular in 2020 when people started watching them again, thinking that that represented some kind of reality. And as you say, I mean, they will just make up a story like it’s mutating. So that just simply means that you can take some samples and detect some new genetic sequences and then claim, hey presto, it’s a variant or it’s mutated. But all of these things come back to these unfalsifiable hypotheses. It’s not scientific. Even the whole concept, and I know this really pushes people and it’s taken some unraveling for us as well, given our training and immunology, etcetera, Is that we don’t believe in this concept of immunity that they have presented in medical science because it’s unfalsifiable.
They just say to you, well, why didn’t I get it? So people will look at the human transmission experiments like the Rosenau one Sam talked about from the Spanish flu era, and people will say, well, obviously they were immune, that’s why they didn’t get it. How can you prove that? The excuse they’re using, they’re saying, well, you know, we’d say to people, why didn’t we get this entity called Covid? Because we didn’t do any of the face masks or social distancing. We were out and about in the community, we didn’t take any of the products and the vaccines and yet we didn’t get sick.
Well, people say you must be immune. And this is just. How could you possibly, how’s that a scientific notion? You can’t falsify it. And we’ve done deep dives into the antibodies, for instance, which they try and claim indicate immunity. And that simply is inconsistent because they are not specific, they do not relate to some sort of clinical condition necessarily. And yeah, so no, there’s so much unraveling to do and certainly for us there appears to be years of work ahead. But you know, given, and we point this out in the book, look what we’re up against here, these are billion dollar industries, you know, these are hundreds of billions of dollars that people are making.
And COVID 19 was one of the biggest wealth transfers of all time. It’s one of the all time record holders. The population just got absolutely fleeced. Most people don’t understand how it happened or exactly why it happened, but you could see from 2020 what they were doing and why the population was going to end up poor and a small number of corporations, invested interests were going to end up with far more resources. Yes, it is so ingrained in our language and our concepts. We talk about something, you know, going viral, you Know, a video or meme going viral or we talk about a computer virus.
And there’s just so many different ways that they have put that in there. And of course, massive marketing, the drumbeat that we have seen in the last four years of obvious patent lies. I mean, but just repeat it over and over again. It’s very effective. But. But let’s talk. And we mentioned it just briefly. So one last thing I’d like to cover before you go. And we mentioned it, and as you’re talking about the fact that we don’t have an isolation. We don’t have, you know, the proper scientific studies, it’s kind of anecdotal, but just a simple case.
I know you’ve got an entire video about rabies that you have on your website where you talk about that. And again, the website is doctor as Dr. Sam Bailey, B A I L E Y dot com. So you got a video about rabies. But let’s talk about something that’s really common. You know, these childhood diseases that kind of began all of these vaccine movements. When I was younger, we didn’t have measles, vaccines and everything. So we would get together and then all of a sudden red spots start appearing. What is your idea about what is going on with that? That’s, I think, the real.
The experiential hurdle that’s difficult for people to get over. Yeah. So I guess with children, they’ve got a very large skin surface area and our skin is. Is the largest organ. So it’s one of the easiest ways for the body to eliminate toxic buildup, I guess, filth from inside the body. And so rashes are essentially an expression of that. And you often see children have rashes at kind of the end of a healing crisis because it’s trying to eliminate. We’ve actually made videos on measles and chickenpox parties specifically to address this. Oh, good. All right. Such a common.
Yeah, a common thing. But in terms of it’s. We tend to, as we grow up, we have other ways that are more efficient at removing, you know, buildup. But essentially that’s the. Yeah. And I guess, David, it comes back to what we talked about earlier is that Sam and I always go to the foundational documents and say, well, where is a controlled study that shows the spread? Because we know about these anecdotal stories and it’s easy to counter with other anecdotal stories. For instance, when I was about 10 or 11, I was diagnosed with chickenpox. I was in a household of six.
No one else got sick. None of my classmates got sick. Apparently it’s highly contagious, and yet nobody around me seemed to have it or get it. But that’s what the family doctor told us is what I had. So. And the other thing is, we do not deny that people get sick in clusters, though. So if you go to a birthday party and afterwards half of the kids break out in a rash, probably the best thing to do is to look at what they were exposed to at the party. Because if they were eating things that have colorings, whether they’re soft drinks or lollies, et cetera, that’s enough for a child to break out in a rash if they ingest these synthetic chemicals that are now put into foods.
There are all sorts of factors that Daniel Reuters has outlined in his book can you catch a cold? About clusters of illness that were put down at the time to germs, but later were found to be environmental toxins, psychological influences, and nutritional deficiencies. So a whole lot of yeah. And this is what we find. One thing that has really encouraged us, particularly in the last year or so. More and more people around the world are now contacting us, saying, look, we recently had this sickness in our family. Once upon a time, I would have put it down to a germ or a virus, et cetera.
This time I put that aside and thought, what did we do? What exactly did we do in the last week? And people are starting to identify things, whether it’s something they ate or whether it’s a place they went to visit and possibly got exposed, some sort of chemical, et cetera. So that’s what we need to encourage, not this silly. It’s a germ. Someone else made me sick. We’re no further ahead. Nobody knows anything. At that point, we’re stuck in the same silly model. So, yeah, I would encourage people to. If you’re thinking measles, chickenpox, what about these parties, etc.
Please watch Sam’s videos where she does a dive into these topics and exposes the actual science and the actual claims behind these things. Because another thing just really quickly I wanted to bring up is that there was something I didn’t realize with virology and just infectious diseases in general is that all the assumptions are based on just a couple of papers. So these scientific papers that were made and everything else, they just constantly cite back to those original studies because people sometimes say, well, we’ve got new studies now that show know that. So it’s the same with, you know, covert and SARS COV2, they, you know, there’s literally thousands and thousands of studies, but the only ones that are important are the original foundational ones.
And that’s what we always go to and unpick for people and show how farcical it is, because then everything else follows on from it. And people can see that all these are just assertions, these are assumptions, and say, well, those guys did it, so, you know, we’re going to carry on from those assumptions. Yeah, it is a groupthink is an echo chamber. And as you point out and you show many examples of it in your book, the fundamental papers are something that they didn’t do science at all. And so. And when you talk about the anecdotal thing, made think of 2009.
I was diagnosed with swine fluid, had really bad pneumonia, and they diagnosed me with swine flu. But nobody else in the family got it. My wife didn’t get it. Nobody got it. So, yeah, it is interesting, and I think it’s very important for us to look at it. And your focus is now on what we can do to make ourselves healthier. Instead of, as you said before, instead of a focus on disease, you’re focused more on health. Is that correct? Yeah. And just my biggest focus from the beginning is to reduce people’s fears because I think fear is the massive driver of illness.
And people get they. And behavior. They do crazy things because they think they’re going to get sick or. And once you understand that this is a myth, this germs don’t cause disease. It’s so empowering and enlightening, and it makes you see the world in a different way. And I. That’s. My focus is just to reduce people’s fear and go, you don’t need us. And I mean, we’re reformed doctors. We’re like, you know, we’re not. I don’t want to be associated with that group anymore, but I’m like, become your own doctor. You know, we want to teach people how to be well so they don’t need us anymore.
Yeah. And it is. I mean, for us, David, it was amazing that our health as a family has improved so much since 2020. We always thought we were healthy and we thought, well, we’re trained doctors and we know this and that. And we didn’t actually. We. We missed a huge amount of it. And since that time, we’ve reformed. The way we eat, the way we interact as a family, the water that we drink. And nowadays, and spiritually, spiritually as well. Much more connected and much more understanding of this beautiful world that God’s given us, that it has been created in perfection and it’s up to us to make sure that continues rather than ruin it.
And one of the big things for us is, and I think all Par should take this message home, is that there’s no such thing as these childhood diseases. There’s just parental neglect. And I know that sounds harsh and it took us a bit of time to get used to this, but when your children do get sick, you have to reflect. Well, what did I do? You know, I’ve missed something here. And we have found with our own children that they have just got. They’ve thrived more and more as Mum and Dad have moved out of the old allopathic germ theory paradigm and into.
Into the paradigm of saying, what can we actually do to make things better? And it has worked. That’s a great note to end on. Yeah. Fear is contagious, isn’t it? That is one thing we can attest to, the psychological fear that is there as you’re talking about connecting spiritually. That’s. I’ve been told that is the one phrase that is in the Bible more than anything else. Fear not so wended on that it is the mind killer. It destroys. And that’s the thing that we need to push back. Again, people. The the website is Dr. Sam Bailey.
D R S A M B I B A I L E Y dot com. The book is the final pandemic. And this is the way that we end Medical Tyranny. It’s the Antidote to medical tyranny by Dr. Mark Bailey and Dr. Samantha Bailey. Thank you so much for joining us. It’s great talking to you. Thank you, David. We’re big fans. It’s been a pleasure. Yeah, thank you, David. Keep doing what you’re doing. Thank you. I appreciate that. And again, their website as well as their books are a wealth of information. They lay it out there for you, but they have references to all these other things and videos about the measle parties, things like that.
So a great source of information and we really do need to get to the bottom of this. I am tired of being jerked around by these people that I know were lying to me and ripping me off and stealing everything that we’ve got. I think it’s enough. We need to figure out their game and expose it and that’s a great resource to do it. Thank you so much and thank you all for joining us. Have a good day. Let me tell you, the David Knight show, you can listen to with your ears. You can even watch it by using your eyes.
In fact, if you can hear me, that means you’re listening to the David Knight show right now. Yeah. Good job. And you want to know something else? You can find all the links to everywhere to watch or listen to the show@thedavidknightshow.com that’s a website SA as you pointed out, I believe that you can never truly own your property if you are under the threat that the government can take it from you because you fall behind on your semiannual rent payment to them. They call property taxes. So, so I believe that we need to do away with this tax in perpetuity.
So I’ve said in Indiana we have a 7% sales tax. So let’s make it 7 years, 1% of the purchase price for 7 years maximum. Now if you can pay that at closing either in cash or by rolling it into your mortgage and amortizing it over a 30 year period, then you’re done. If you can’t, you pay it 1% escrowed into your mortgage like you’re doing now. And at the end of seven years, you’re done. All right, folks. And if you want to defend the American dream, you better start locally. And that’s why we’re going to talk local and state government.
That’s why I was open to. I’d interviewed Donald Rainwater who had run for governor in 2020. We’ve talked about what was happening during that period of time and he got national attention because he jumped up so high in the polls because he’s about the only politician in any party that was really tackling this pandemic nonsense. And he did a great job of doing that. And so he is back and he is running for governor yet again. The rainwaterforindiana.com, rainwater and it’s for indiana.com is his website. But we’re going to talk about why he’s running, what the issues are.
So thank you for joining us, Donald Rainwater. Appreciate it. Oh, well, David, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate the opportunity. Well, I’m glad to have you on and I think I want to talk about issues because we have everything focused on the two parties and everybody is so focused on just the two parties focused on personalities and not focused on issues. And it’s killing us. I mean, these agendas that are out there and everything else, nobody is paying attention to that. They’re so distracted in this personality competition. It’s like it’s some Kind of a beauty contest or a talent show or something.
So let’s talk about issues. Tell us, first of all, why you’re running in Indiana. What are the important issues for you? Well, you know, first of all, first and foremost, as a libertarian, I believe in limited, very limited government and the safeguarding. As Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence, you know, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. And so I believe that we need to refocus our government at every level on safeguarding every individual’s rights equally and reducing the size and scope of government. It is much more difficult for someone with ill intent to utilize government in an inappropriate way if government isn’t strong enough to be used in that way.
So I’m very intent on reducing the size and scope of government. And I heard you talk about the federal government and the importance of state government as well. And one of the things that I tell folks in Indiana is that I believe that the Constitution of the United States is a fence around the federal government intended to keep it within its intended purpose. The slats in that fence are the 50 states. The problem is that we’ve allowed the slats to fall down on the job. Our states are not holding the federal government accountable. Instead, they’re standing there with their hand out, asking for more money, much like Oliver Twist.
And so the federal government now has the upper hand, and that’s how things get out of whack. So I am running for governor of the state of Indiana because I want to reduce the size and scope of government, and I also want to grab the 9th amendment with one hand and the 10th amendment with the other and tell the federal government to back off. Good. Good. Yeah. I just read an op ed piece the other day. I think it was from Brownstone. I’m not sure. It might have been from Mises. And I said every one of these candidates for president or be any office actually should be asked these two questions.
What is the purpose of government? What is the purpose of government, you know, and what is its rightful role in our lives? And nobody ever asked them something like that. That’s. That would be so telling. I imagine most of them would say the purpose of government is keep us safe. Right. You know, I’ve heard that. I’ve also heard one of my opponents made the comment the hero a while back that conservatism is government not spending more than it takes in. And I think that that’s an atrocious assumption. Government conservatism is government doesn’t take in more than it needs to do its job.
That’s how Calvin Coolidge defined it. He said that when government takes in more than it needs, that’s legalized robbery. And I agree with that. Yeah. And it really needs to come from the standpoint of understanding what the proper role of government is. You know, we absolutely need to make government small enough to fit in the Constitution. And if it gets that small, we’re not going to really worry about how it is financed. I mean, we, it’d be such a small tax. I think it was Ron Paul who said that if we got the government to fit inside the Constitution, the way that we raise the taxes wouldn’t really matter because it would be so small that we really wouldn’t notice it.
But wouldn’t notice. Yeah. The problem is that it’s gotten so large. And so the problem that we see in Washington, and one of the reasons why a solution, I believe, is not going to come out of Washington, the solution is being to keep Washington in Washington and far away from us. But the problem is all of the money. And when you look at the fact that Lala Harris got $500 million, half a billion dollars in one month, that was five times the amount that George W. Bush got in in 2020, in 2000, I should say. And he was accused of trying to buy the election by Al Gore, who only got 70 million, but she gets 500 million in one month.
Why is that there? Well, it’s because an election is an advanced auction of stolen goods. And these people know they’re not donating, they’re investing. And they’re going to get more than they put in, a lot more. And so that’s one of the reasons I think it’s growing, and I think it’s growing at the state level. And so let me ask you, when you look at this at the state level, what is typical for your opponents, Republicans and Democrats, to be spending on their campaign? What kind of money are they talking about, roughly? When your gubernatorial competition, Democrat and Republican, I’m sure your budget is not anywhere close to that.
You’re out there doing this as a citizen. But what are they taking in? Well, I, you know, I know that they’re taking in millions of dollars. And I’ll be honest with you, I am more, much more concerned with what our General assembly is taking in and how they’re spending it. To give you a good example of that, at the beginning of 2023, we had a $4.5 billion surplus in Indiana. So the General assembly found a way to spend $25 billion spend that 4.5 billion surplus down so that then for 2024 and 2025 budgets, they made sure that they spent in the budget the money they thought they were going to be able to receive so that there would not be a surplus that they had to give back to the citizens.
And that, I think is an example of this idea that. Well, it’s conservative for me to say that we don’t spend more than we take in. And that assumption is that we can figure out how to get it out of your pocket, we’re going to spend it, and we don’t care whether you need it or. Or not. And I think that’s both unethical and immoral. Yes. And I think that this is part of the problem that we have in Indiana. One of our big issues right now, most all citizens are frustrated with property taxes because even though we have a constitutional amendment in Indiana that says that residential property tax is 1% of the assessed value of the property, they reassess every year and they keep making that assessment go higher and higher, which means that people’s property taxes go up.
And if their property taxes are escrowed into their mortgage, that means their mortgage payment goes up every year. We’ve got senior citizens who’ve had their forever homes where all their memories of raising their children and all of their other significant events through their life have taken place. And now they’ve paid off their mortgage, but they can’t keep their home because they’re on a fixed income and they can’t afford their property taxes anymore. And our state government doesn’t seem to care. They’re more worried about funneling money to economic development commissions at both local and at the state level.
We have an Indiana Economic Development Corporation that was just given a $50 million budget increase to go out and attract large corporations to come to Indiana, build, create new jobs that because we are at the lowest unemployment in the history of the state right now, and the US Chamber of Commerce says that we actually have a worker shortage. For every 100 available jobs, we are missing 20 people to fill those 100 jobs. And so instead of making cost of living lower in Indiana, we’re bringing in all these new jobs and then having those jobs filled by Hoosiers who are leaving small businesses.
And then the small businesses, the Hoosier entrepreneurs that have been trying to build and invest in Indiana, their whole lives are not able to staff their businesses. And so we now in Indiana over the last decade have a net loss in small businesses and individual franchisees and this to me, along with our loss of family farming is causing an economic crisis in Indiana and the state government doesn’t care because what they’re looking for is this corporatist style of government. Yes, and, and we saw that. I vehemently opposed that. Yes. And we saw that in 2020 and you were speaking to that issue when you were running in 2020.
The fact that. Absolutely mom and pop stores on Main street were non essential but the big box stores from Wall street, they were essential. They could stay open but the small mom and pop service businesses couldn’t stay open. So they’re coming after. The small mom and pop service businesses are coming after the farms, the family farms and things like that. They’re coming after every kind of business that is, you know, done by individuals. They. Absolutely. It’s the big corporations that are declared essential. And it is what the government at every level really is, is serving that interest to, to drive out their competition and to make sure that we don’t have any businesses.
That that’s the key thing. What kind of. Now you said that you’ve got more jobs than you got people to fill them. In Indiana, what was the outcome from the lockdown that you see there? I guess you don’t have a big city. Are you having a. You probably don’t have the kind of commercial real estate problems that we’re seeing on the coasts in California, New York, I guess. Right. Well, I, I don’t think to the same extent what we are seeing because I, I believe that the way that the Indiana state government handled the pandemic, we saw a lot of folks who had to innovate and create new means of income.
I think that the gig economy was a place where folks found a lot of that. And so a lot of this worker shortage is actually a result of folks who were told they couldn’t go to work during the pandemic finding other ways to make income. And when the state opened back up, those folks said, said oh no. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I’m not coming back. No, I’m going to make sure that I have the means to take care of my household and my family and I’m not going to get.
Which is here again why I think we have such a problem with this attitude that government should be force feeding large corporate economy to the state of Indiana. Because what we’re really doing is we’re saying we have a limited number of people, we’re going to flood the state with jobs and it’s going to force small businesses either out of the market or they’re going to have to raise their level of salary, wages and benefits to match what we’re bringing in. Well, you know, I hear a lot of Republicans complain about Democrats trying to increase the minimum wage.
Well, when Republicans are bringing in all of these high paying jobs and basically enticing workers away from small businesses, you’re really doing the same thing. What you’re saying is if you want to compete, you’re going to have to raise your wages to match these big corporations. This is picking winners and losers once again. And I think it is abhorrent that our government takes it upon themselves to manipulate the economy in that way. That is not free market principles. The free market principle is if we encourage people to come here and there are plenty of people fulfilled the jobs, then the jobs will come on their own.
And then all of that can be done in a very organic way. But when you’re giving corporations 35 or 50 year sales and use tax exemptions as they’re doing with Amazon Web Services in the South Bend area and Meta down in the Jeffersonville area, what you get are these huge corporations who are getting, you know, they’re not even. It’s not just the sales tax exemption for 35 or 50 years on the equipment for these data centers, which is a lot of money. Yeah. But it’s also that they get a 35 or 50 year use tax or sales tax exemption on their electric bill for a data center.
Yeah. Those data centers are going to really putting such a burden on the infrastructure we’ve got here in Tennessee. We got the TVA is going to jump up the electricity prices by, by five and a half percent. Part of that is the fact that they want to go to renewables, which means that they’ve then got to buy these very expensive battery, battery energy storage sites, which are a massive fire hazard. So it’s an extremely expensive form of energy that’s being imposed on us because of climate fear. And as you point out, they’re going to bring these companies in, give them heavy subsidies on energy usage, which is going to drive the, the price of energy up sky high for everybody else, if they can even get it.
That’s the issue. Absolutely. Well, and the reality is when I go around the state of Indiana and I talk to people and I ask people, how many of you are small business owners and you get 10 or 15 folks raising their hand and you look at them and say, has the state of Indiana ever offered you a sales tax exemption on your Electric bill. And they look at you and go, no, they have clear shot. Because in their mind, you’re not big enough worry about. And I find it terribly offensive that in our state constitution, we have in our state constitution’s Bill of Rights a clause that says that the state government will not provide any privilege to any citizen or group of citizens that is not provided to all.
Now, what they do is they say, well, you know, anybody who invests $800 billion in the state of Indiana can get this privilege. That, to me, is, again, immoral and unethical. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Is deciding that some groups are essential and others are not essential, and it is violating the market principles. Look, I’ve seen this type of thing forever. We used to see it predominantly at the state level, local level. We’d usually see it with big professional stadiums. And those things kept going up and up, you know, versus a couple hundred million. Then it’s up to a billion dollars for a stadium.
And now, you know, to infinity and beyond. On with this stuff. But, you know, that, that was that that kind of subsidy for certain businesses is again, the government picking winners and losers. And usually they pick those winners and losers based on who’s putting money in their pockets. The politicians are some of the best investments that anybody can ever make. And they’re not donating stuff, but they’re making investments. I’ve got while we’re talking about money here, and you talked about the surplus that Indiana had, I. I don’t know if that’s coming from some of the COVID cash that they got.
I know that California was looking before all this Covid nonsense. They were looking at a deficit of tens of billions. I forget what the exact numbers were. Then all of a sudden, they got so much money out of Washington, out of the Trump administration, that they had, you know, like $100 billion excess. And they quickly ran through that with all kinds of new spending programs, and now they’re looking at deficits of tens of billions again. So they just ran through all that cash. But I got a question here from a listener. DG8 on Rumble. And thank you for the tip.
Appreciate that said. David, could you please ask Mr. Rainwater about how much power and funding to violate the state’s constitution? The federal emergency order Trump signed on March 13, 2020 gave to these governors. You know, what kind of largesse did they get? I mean, of course, we all know this is what the federal government does. It hands out a lot of money, whether it’s Department of Education or something else, to get the Policies done that they want, they bribe them. And then later on after the people, after they get hooked on this money, they can use that to blackmail them and say, you know, it’d be a shame if you lost that.
All that money that you’ve gotten used to. What happened in terms of COVID cash and in 2020 in Indiana that you can speak to? Well, I don’t know specifically as far as Covid cash, but I will tell you, here’s what we know. In the state of Indiana, in 2019, the year before the pandemic started, the state budget was around 16 billion for the general fund and about 26 billion with federal money. In the four years since, we now have a state budget spending last year of about 26 billion. Wow. And with that’s for the general funds, so that’s about a $10 billion increase.
And with federal funds, it’s a $20 billion increase. So we’ve added a significant amount of money to our state spending, to our state budget because of the increased funding from the federal government. And the problem that we have with this, of course, is that once again, if government is flush with cash, then people are desperate to do whatever they can to get control of that money. Which is why what we see in politics is the, you know, why are Republicans and Democrats able to raise millions of dollars but Donald Rainwater can’t? Because Donald Rainwater is not for sale.
As you mentioned earlier, these folks that put money into campaigns do so as an investment because they know they’re going to get a lot out. And when I go out here and I say I want to reduce spending, I want to reduce taxation, I want to reduce the budget, that does not make me attractive to those folks who want to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars investing in their ability to manipulate the government for their benefit. That’s right. Which is why my, you know, my campaign, we’ve, we’ve raised a little over $100,000. And the vast majority of that has come in the twenty fifty hundred dollar amounts from citizens who are tired of state government and local government taking advantage of them.
Yes. And so we’ve got a lot of, a lot of that. Now, if any of your listeners are genuinely concerned about better government, not bigger government, as you told them, they can go to rainwaterforindiana.com and I’ve got a donate button there for PayPal and I’ve got a separate one for debit credit. And if they want to make a big donation, I’d be more than happy to take. That’s right. But you’re not for sale. And that’s the key thing. And that’s the way that they. Not even for rent. For rent for four years. Yeah, well, work for subsidies.
Yeah. The. We talk about that I mentioned many times. I know I talked to people in Idaho at the time this stuff was happening in 2020. Brad Little, the governor there, the Republican governor there, was given several times what the entire state budget was out of Washington. And it was money that he could spend at his discretion. And so, of course, you know, that’s a big, powerful political plum that you’ve got there, big political leverage that you have that can help you get elected and help you to do all kinds of things for yourself. Personally, when we see somebody getting a massive endowment like they did with Pete Booty Gay, giving him control of like $200 billion for infrastructure, that’s something he could use to feather his nest politically with a lot of people and make friends with them.
And so essentially, that’s what was happening with a lot of these governors, both Republican and Democrat, during the, during the lockdown with that kind of money. And when we look at the corporations, when they invest in these politicians, it’s a regular. If you go back and you look at what that corporation later gets and look at how much they donated, usually they’re getting a couple of thousand percent return on investment. I mean, there just isn’t any better investment you can make than a politician. So we were talking earlier and you have some very specific ideas about what you would do to help people on property tax, for example, talk about that, because this is something that affects all Americans in every state.
And, you know, this is something people could start to push their politicians and their state to do something about. Talk a little bit about your ideas about property tax relief, because nobody can own property in the United States as long as we’ve got these high property taxes. Absolutely. And of course, I tell people, as a libertarian, in a perfect world, I would abolish property taxes entirely. Property. When I suggested that four years ago, a lot of folks had their heads explode. So what we’ve done is we’ve said, okay, let’s. Let’s kind of give people a pragmatic approach.
First of all, we need to make sure that property taxes never go up. Nobody should be scared to find out that their property taxes are increasing. So what I proposed is that property taxes in the state of Indiana should be based on 1% of the purchase price of your property, because I believe that the only true value of any item is what you paid for it until someone else pays you to buy it from you, then you have a true value at that time based on what they paid you for it. Yes. So in between, and this is something that I, you know, I find very ironic and a little hypocritical is here again, when I hear folks talk about the current vice president’s idea of taxing unrealized gains and they throw a fit about that.
And then in the state of Indiana, we have Republicans and Democrats who want to tax the unrealized gains of property. And I think that’s wrong. So here again, first we want to make it 1% of the purchase price of your property. It never goes up. And then as you pointed out, I believe that you can never truly own your property if you are under the threat that the government can take it from you because you fall behind on your semiannual rent payment to them. They call property taxes. So I believe that we need to do away with this tax in perpetuity.
So I’ve said in Indiana we have a 7% sales tax. So let’s make it 7 years, 1% of the purchase price for 7 years maximum. Now if you can pay that at closing, either in cash or by rolling it into your mortgage and amortizing it over a 30 year period, then you’re done. If you can’t, you pay at 1% escrow into your mortgage like you’re doing now, and at the end of seven years, you’re done. One of the things that I keep pointing out to people is that if you pay 1% of the purchase price or 1% of the assessed value over a period of 30 years, you will have given your state and local government over a 30 year period over 30% of the equity in your home.
Wow. You have given them 30% of the investment that you made in your home. Now the government hasn’t done anything to earn that money. And when we talk about, one of the things that I hear a lot is, oh, well, you just want to defund the police. And I say, no, absolutely not. We have tax increment financing all over the state of Indiana that has been stealing property taxes from local governments for decades. We have 10 year tax abatements that our local governments can give to commercial and industrial businesses so that they don’t have to pay property taxes for seven or eight years, depending upon how much their quote, unquote investment is, how many jobs they create.
And so what you’re talking about is really kind of having it go for seven years or whatever, 1% a year. You’re talking about giving a property tax abatement on the back end. That’s correct for homeowners. That’s one way for people. But I really like the way that you explained this and your perspective of looking at this because typically we talk about the injustice of the property taxes and it is an injustice. We are being taxed on government created inflation because they say that the price of your home is going up. You know, you get a home and you, you have it for 30 years and you know, maybe you’re going to sell it for 10 times what you paid for, but that home is not worth 10 times as much as it was.
It’s 30 years old now, maybe, you know, and so it is not worth more. It’s just that your money is worth less. And so that’s a tax on the inflation that’s there when you have these property taxes that are being reevaluated all the time. But I love what you’re talking about in terms of the fact that people need to look at it. Since this is all being talked about now by the Democrats. It’s great to talk about this as people refer to it as an unrealized gain to think about this and saying, well, what if we looked at your stocks and we say that you had in your investment portfolio you had $100,000 in stocks and now your stocks have gone up in value and they’re 150,000.
So we’re going to tax you on that 50,000, but you’re still holding it. That could go down and it could become a loss and that type of thing. Same thing is actually true of your home. Your home can actually go down in value. We’ve seen that happen, surprise a lot of people, you know, in the Great Recession and it may happen again. But that really is when you really evaluate this. I like talking about it in terms of being taxed on a gain that you haven’t taken as opposed to talking about it in terms of an inflationary tax.
And it causes people to lose their home if they’re on a fixed income and yet the price of their home is not fixed. That’s a great way to look at it. That’s, that’s a very important issue. And I’m glad that you’re talking about that. People need to think about this in every state. That is something everybody ought to be making an argument for in terms of property tax. And I also like your idea about the 7% thing up front or paying 1% for seven years and then you’re Done. That is also very important. The home is many cases, not only the biggest, but sometimes the only investment that people in the middle class have.
And this is the government trying to take that away from people and they do it. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Talk a little bit about your, your perspective on the gasoline tax as well, because that’s. Yeah, yes, well, and there’s, you know, there’s constantly talk about gasoline prices and how high they are and how that unfairly impacts lower and middle income Hoosiers. And in the state of Indiana, we actually pay two separate state taxes on gasoline. We have a 7% use or sales tax, which is calculated on the average price across the state of Indiana of a gallon of gas for the previous month.
So for the month of August, the use tax was 20.3 cents per gallon. But then we also have a gasoline excise tax that our General assembly back in 2017 decided to index for inflation. They added 10 cents and then made it indexed for inflation. So it goes up a penny a year, minimum. It currently sits at 35 cents per gallon. So for every gallon of gas that a Hoosier buys, they are paying 20.3 cents in sales tax, 35 cents in excise tax, which is a 55.3 cent per gallon tax on gasoline just for the state. I believe the federal tax is currently 18 cents a gallon.
And so 18 cents versus 55.3 cents seems to be a lot to me. And I personally don’t believe that anyone should have to pay two taxes to the state of Indiana for the same product. So I am advocating for the abolition of the state excise tax on gasoline. I’ll take that a little further. We also pay 7% sales tax when we purchase a car, and then we are charged an excise tax every year to renew our license plates. I want to do away with the excise tax on vehicles, all vehicles in the state of Indiana. You shouldn’t have to pay two separate taxes to the same government agency for the same product.
Yes. Good. And so, you know, when you start to cut the taxes, what would you do to cut government spending? Well, that’s a great question. I’m so glad you asked that. You got a long list, right? I bet you got a long list, right? Well, you know, there’s a real simple formula that I learned during the pandemic because our governor, during the pandemic was concerned that they might not raise all the revenue they were hoping for. So he sent out a memo, issued a directive to all state agencies, all 50 plus state bureaucracies in the state of Indiana instructing them to cut their spending level but their budget by 10 to 15%.
When they did that, we ended up with a $6 billion surplus. So. And that’s just out of the general fund spending that doesn’t include the federal government money. So my proposal is that on the first day that Donald Rainwater’s administration is in the governor’s office, we will issue a memoir that says we’re not in a pandemic, but we are in a financial crisis in the state of Indiana. People are suffering, people are hurting. Hoosiers are having to make decisions about how they will fill their gas tank, pay their mortgage, feed their kids, load their kids. And so we’re going to cut across the board, 10 to 15%.
No cuts in entitlements. I will tell you that even as a libertarian, I believe that entitlements are the last things we touch. That’s right. They usually come after that first. Usually. First. Well, that is to shut down a park, you know, because that’s what. Right, right, Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. It’s. Here, let me, let me, let me show you what we’re going to do if you try to take my money away from me. That’s right. And it’s not their money, it’s our money. We gave it to them. Actually, they took it from us. So my plan is, during the first four years of my governorship, my first term, we will instruct all state agencies to cut their budget 10 to 15% each year of the four year.
That’s great. I also know, as I mentioned earlier, that there’s about a $10 billion in the state budget over the last four years. So I’m also going to go to the General assembly and say, first of all, I would like you to freeze the budget. Secondly, I would like you to rewrite the budget to be equivalent to what it was in 2019. Let’s reduce our state spending by $10 billion that it has blown up balloon in the last four years, go back to 2019 spending levels, and then take that $10 billion and eliminate our state income tax.
Because they say that if we got rid of the personal income tax in Indiana, it would cost $8 billion in revenue. So if I cut spending back to 2019 levels and reduce the budget by 10 billion, and if I reduce the revenue by 8 billion, that means I’ll still have a $2 billion surplus as a result of cutting the budget and eliminating the state income tax. Because here again, you know, I believe firmly that the government should not have a claim, financial claim to our property. And when we allow them to take money from our paychecks, we are giving them a first right to our earned income.
And I believe here, again, that that’s immoral and unethical, and I want to do so. You’ll notice I’m big on the idea that the government doesn’t need all this money and that they’re spending too much. And I’ve learned from being a little bit overweight that if I want to reduce my weight, I have to reduce the food I put in my mouth because I am not going to be able to continue to cram food in my face and lose weight. So we have to reduce the taxes. You know, it’d be great if we could say, well, we’re going to reduce all this spending, then we’ll give people their money back.
The reality is that our government, at every level, local, county, state, federal, they are addicted to spending other people’s money. Yes. And the good news is, you point out, since the pandemic, they illustrate that they can do that. It’s not a theory. They actually, the government comes out and says, we’re going to cut across the board, everybody cut your budget by this amount. They can all go find something that they can reduce their spending on. They’ve already done it in that state. And so it’s been demonstrated, it’s been done, and they could do it again. And that’s the key thing.
It’s good to hear somebody finally who focuses on the problems of the, of the people of the middle class. It’s good to hear somebody who is focused on just offering the opportunity for you to actually own property. That’d be the only state union where you could actually own property. And imagine the number of people that would move to Indiana. Yeah. And we wouldn’t have a worker shortage anymore. That’s right. Our small business owners and individual franchisees would have plenty of opportunity to staff their businesses. Well, it’s very important, and it’s important for people to hear this everywhere because you know that if when you propose this and you talk about, and you couch it in those terms where people can easily understand it, I think that that’s an important thing that could be taken to other places as well, because when you’re talking about getting rid of the income tax that was done here in Tennessee and they wound up with a budget surplus even after they cut the state income tax.
So we’re not talking about theoreticals. These are things that have already been done. The question is, does anybody really care to try to do this or do they want to, you know, just fall into the trap of voting for the big parties? And I never can think about voting for any independents or third parties. That’s the real challenge for you, isn’t it? Because as I’ve said, they play the games of ballot access and they play the game of debate access. If they had a debate that included you and the people of Indiana were able to hear what you want to do with property taxes, that would be huge.
I would think that. Well, they will be. Yeah. Yeah, we are. There are three debates scheduled. We are guaranteed to be in two of the three and the third one we are waiting for. The company is nextar. They own our Fox affiliate and our CBS affiliate. And they have said first they said I had to raise $100,000. So we got out there and raised our hundred thousand dollars. And now I think they’re trying to wait to see if there’s a poll that where I poll under 10. I have to poll over 10% on a poll if it comes out or they can exclude me.
But I’m definitely in two of the three debates. We debated four years ago in two debates. And you’re absolutely right. The number of people who have told me that they did not vote for me in 2020 because they did know who I was until they saw me in the debate after early voting started and that now they are committed to voting for me this year because of exactly what you’re talking about. The fact that people understand and believe that there are common sense, simple solutions to big government and that we need to be shrinking the size and scope of government if we want, for example, to fix our economy.
The bald face truth is that the inflation that we currently are saddled with was caused by government spending. And not just Democrat spending or Republican spending, just government spending, period. It’s all of their faults and they all need to be held accountable. That’s right. That’s absolutely right. Yeah, you’re going to have to put that in there because they’re not going to ask any questions about that. You’re going to put that in there and say, here’s why I’m running. I know that you want to ask me, here’s why I’m running because I want people to be able to own their homes.
And you can’t own your home now. You know, if you put something in there like that, that’d be a killer. I’m glad that you’re going to be in the debates. I really am surprised because we’ve had situations when I was with the Libertarian Party in North Carolina, you know, we would work so hard to get on the ballot there, and then they would always exclude us from the debates. And the debates at that point in time, back in the early 90s were being run by the press association, the statewide press association. They said, we don’t want you on, you know, same thing that FOX is doing now, trying to move the goalposts and on you and all the rest of this stuff.
It truly is despicable. And when I, you know, in 2020, is everybody, oh, what about this election? It’s like, yeah, of course there’s always, they’re always messing with the vote totals and everything. But the rigging of the election really begins with the media and the excluding people from the debates and with the excluding of people off of the ballot so that you don’t even have a choice. That’s the key thing. So I’m glad you’re going to be in two debates. That’s excellent news. And we’ve talked a lot about money, but you also have some other issues and it kind of is the center of an event that you’re going to be doing the in September, September 14, you’ve got an event coming up.
People can go to rainwater4 for f o r rainwater4indiana.com and they can get information about this event. You’re also doing that with a candidate for Congress. And this is about the Second Amendment. Tell people a little bit about that event. Well, we have a, in Terre Haute, Indiana, we have a small business owner who is owns a gun shop and range and he is throwing an event for us to fundraise. Actually, the state party, the Libertarian Party of Indiana, is sponsoring the fundraising event there. And you know, one of the things that is very important to me is the fact that I believe that the Second Amendment says shall not be infringed.
And there’s a period after that. There are no qualifications. It’s not shall not be infringed unless you have a medical marijuana card or shall not be infringed unless we exercise our red flag laws against you. It says shall not be infringed. And so we are very fortunate. After we ran in 2020, the Indiana General assembly saw fit to pass constitutional carry in Indiana, even though they had summarily for about a decade denied constitutional carry to Hoosiers. But after I spoke out fervently about it in 2020, they decided to go ahead and pass constitutional carry. Unfortunately, we do have red flag laws in the state of Indiana, which means that at any time the government can say, well, you’re a member of this organization.
We’ve determined that you all are brainwashed and have a mental defect and we’re going to take your guns and then you have to go to court to get them. I don’t, I don’t like red flag laws for that reason. I believe here again, the second amendment gives us what we need to make sure that all of the other amendments are upheld. You don’t have the First Amendment without the second. And so I believe that enforcing our right to keep and bear arms, period, end of sentence, is extremely important to our continued fight or freedom. And I do want to add, David, that when I say that I think it is something that we as Americans, as Hoosiers, need to take very seriously.
Our government is too big, it is too powerful, and we are in a daily fight to maintain and regain our freedoms. I agree. We are not a free people. As you said, Madison said, if you can’t own property, you are not free. And therefore, if we pay property taxes with the threat of it being taken away from us if we get behind, we are not truly free when the only, the only schools that we are able to send our children to because we can’t afford private school is the public school. And the government enforces that by making us pay taxes to fund the public school, whether we want to send our children there or not.
Yes, we’re not truly free. That’s true. Yeah. When you talk about the red flag law, you know, it is really a form of civil asset forfeiture. Another abomination from our government. Absolutely. To take something from you, you have no presumption of innocence. You have to prove that you’re innocent to get, to get this back and so forth. That’s right. We have taxation without representation, really. And we have regulation certainly without representation. The important thing, folks, when we talk about third party access and opening up the ball ballot, is so that people can hear the types of things that you just heard from Donald Rainwater talking about a different way to fund the government, talking about actually being able to own our homes and not be forced out of them, that is so important.
And if as he talked about the gun issues in 2020 and brought them around to some of these issues, that’s the importance of actually having additional people on the ballot so that you can actually talk about issues and so that, that if they see support, and if the people in Indiana support Donald Rainwater because he wants you to be able to own a home that’s going to put. Even if he doesn’t win, that’s going to put a lot of pressure on these people to actually do something like this. Why is this guy so popular? Was it because of what he said about property taxes or whatever? Well, then maybe we should do something about that so we don’t lose our position.
It can be very effective way to bring pressure. And if you don’t do anything at all, they’re going to continue to do what they’ve always done, and that is to steal from you and make it a career for themselves. So good talking to you and thank you for what you did in 2020. Thank you for doing this again. I’m very excited to hear that. You’re going to be in two debates. That’s great. Nail them with that property tax. We’ll be absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. And again, you go to Rainwater 4 Indiana.
That’s for Indiana. And you can find out about that. You can find out about the events that they’ve got coming up. You can actually, you can get some meet and greet tickets where you can shoot guns with Donald. And the other candidate there, Richard Fitzloff, who’s running for Congress there. And before we run out of time, I just want to thank some of the people who have given us tips today. On rockfin Dougalug, thank you. And he says thanks us. And on Rumble, Sam Miller. That’s very generous. I appreciate that. Thank you again, David, for your hard work.
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I want to get him back on. We had a very interesting talk last time. We talked about B17 and other things. I’ve had a chance to sample some of his products as well. Thank you for joining us, John. My pleasure, David. As I said, you’re one of my heroes. And so I called you for a long time and so it’s, it’s actually a pleasure to get on with people that are like minded so that we can let your audience know about these truths and bring it into the. What’s going on right now? Yeah, right as we speak.
Oh yeah. And as we speak in just the last couple of days, I mean we had yesterday, I think it was Kate Middleton, you know, the future queen I guess, who’s been struggling with cancer. But they’ve been very close lipped about it. They do not want her to even mention what kind of cancer she has. At first it was just, oh, she’s got some kind of a stomach issue, whatever, whatever. Then they admitted that it was cancer but they won’t say what kind of cancer it is. Of course they do that with Charles as well. And she just finished a course of chemo.
But I thought it was also interesting that at the same time we had Elle McPherson, model and actress, people will remember, she also had cancer, but she treated it without chemo and said she beat it without chemo. And she talked in an article about all the struggles that she’d had with her family because it’s the kind, it’s the way the medical community puts pressure on you and makes you afraid to try anything other than what they are offering. And that’s really the big obstacle that she had to overcome was to try to think outside the medical box that they put everybody into.
It’s got very interesting. Yeah it’s fascinating because I have like three degrees of separation from, from her. And I, I usually, when I commit to that, I’m going to get to talk to somebody. She came out here to Arizona and lived here eight months, you know, right in this, in this neighborhood, basically. Because, you know, Arizona, as people that don’t know, is one of the freest states for nutritional therapy for all diseases. They have, you know, schools, they have educational institutes, they have. Dr. Henry Ely’s out here. There’s. We just had a doctor come by, Dr.
Martin, that came by the office and he used to use B17s regularly in the 70s and 80s. And then he, he told me it disappeared right about the time my dad disappeared. They, they. Whatever happened to my dad, I can’t, you know, I don’t have any factual information about that. They took him out. But it sure is strange that three of the most prominent doctors using B17 and later and the treatment of the C word were all, all died within six months of each other back in the late 80s. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And last time we talked, I said, you see the same thing with Kerry Mullis and the PCR test, you know, just before this whole thing rolled out, PCR test that was used by Fauci to give the impression that they were measuring things legitimately, that they were doing real science and measurement and everything that he called Fauci a fraud in the way that he said, you’re abusing, that you’re trying.
You can’t prove that there’s an HIV virus that’s causing AIDS by using my PCR thing. He says, whatever’s causing it, he said, what you’re doing is not science and you can be. So he disappeared at that point in time as well. I mean, when you look at what the pharmaceutical companies are doing, when they know what they’re doing, and this is now coming out over and over again. When you look at the vaccines and everything they knew with tests, the adverse effects that were happening significantly and in the past when there was an oppositional fda, they would stop.
When there was far less, less risk and far less harm, they would stop these drugs. But now they know they can do anything that they wish. And so if they have that kind of a calculation where they really don’t care how many people they hurt or kill, there’s not really anything that’s going to stop them from whatever they want to do if they’re strictly focused on the money. It’s truly amazing. Yeah, well, let’s say the whole system is made that way. No drug gets approved unless it’s profitable. No. No FDA approvals on vitamins. There’s no FDA approval on zinc or vitamin C.
You can’t, as a physician, legally tell your patient you’re treating their cancer with vitamin C. Even though Linus Pauling won awards back in the 70s and 80s. So it’s really a situation where people are waking up from it because of this Covid. It’s. Unfortunately, we had to go through this. This medical tyranny, but people are truly waking up to the fact that we’ve been lied to about so many things. And the good thing for me is that God has given me all of this material to where I feel stronger than ever. I’ve known this, all this for 30 years, David.
But when I would go out to try to tell people, I’d only have my dad’s story and g. Over Griffin’s story. We’ve talked about Geo Griffin in a world without cancer. Ed, who’s 93, says he doesn’t know anybody that’s ever died of cancer that regularly eats amygdalin, apricot seeds, nitrile, sides, whatever the name is you want to call it. But they have. They systematically, just like this situation with Kate Middleton, just like the King, they’ve systematically covered up the fact that he, the king that got cancer, said told the world he’s not going to use chemotherapy, radiation, surgery.
But you don’t hear that anywhere. You don’t hear that except in quiet circles. He. He’s using natural remedies. And it wouldn’t surprise me if Kate Middleton also did that. Like you said, they’re not telling us what it is. If she’s successfully helping herself, you know, if she’s successfully helping herself with natural remedies. They’re not going to tell us that. That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. They’re not going to tell us the cancer. They wouldn’t tell us what the. What she’s using for treatment either, would they? No, that we wouldn’t. Yeah, they don’t tell us what it is, and we.
We got fake pictures. It’s all. It’s all a psyop. And the battles are raging on, as you know, and you and I are not on opposite sides about much. And I’m sure if we were, we could convince each other. But we do know this, that they lie to us constantly and that we have a. We have to have a skeptical mind anytime something’s presented to us as fact, because the truth is there’s. They’ve covered things up so many times and lied about so many things that even people that we otherwise might trust. West might have bad information, but we have to go dig deeper.
And that’s what I do. You know, at rnc, it’s Richardson Nutritional Center. For anybody who thinks that I’m. I’m part of the rnc, that it is funny that I’ve had people contact me and said, you got to get rid of that Rona Daniels, or I’m not going to support you anymore. And I said, well, I, I, you know, I’m right there with you. I support you on that. But my dad came up with Richardson Nutritional center back in the 70s because his patients would come to see him, and then they would go home and not be able to get it because they.
They were making a vitamin illegal that was being proven without a shadow of a doubt to help prevent the C word and help people use their immune system to fight it off. Yeah, I remember when that was in the early 90s, the FDA was trying to outlaw vitamin C especially. Right. And even that. But they were going to regulate the amount that you could have of all these different vitamins that you could sell over the counter. I remember the Libertarian Party was that year I went to it, it was in Salt Lake City, and Orrin Hatch spoke there about the only thing we’d agree with him on.
And. And it was because, kind of like with Tom Emmer, you know, he opposes CBDC because he’s connected to people who are selling crypto stuff. Well, Orrin Hatch was connected with people who were selling supplements in the supplement industry. And so he was opposing it. You know, I don’t know that he would. We were opposing it on principle. He was opposing it on the principal in terms of cash. Right, right, right. Well, how much money hit his bank account? Yeah, right. Two different types of principle. So. But, you know, for. For whatever reason, you know, we would join forces.
And so it was kind of interesting to see Oren Hatch addressing the Libertarian Party, trying to stop the FDA from stopping people being able to have even vitamins. I mean, that’s where these people have been for the longest time. It’s all about serving the interests of the pharmaceutical people. It’s kind of interesting, too, when we look at Elle McPherson. She said that she had breast cancer. She got it seven years ago. And she said when it first showed up, she said she had a lumpectomy in 2017, seven years ago. The doctors wanted her to do mastectomy, radiation, hormonal therapy, breast reconstruction, chemotherapy.
She said, I chose a holistic approach. She said saying no to standard medical solutions was the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life, but saying no to my own inner sense would have been even harder. And so. And she talks about how her family, one of her sons was with her on that decision. The other one was like, this is absolutely not going to work. And so it was a struggle within her family, it was a struggle with herself. The fear of trying something that, you know, the establishment is telling you that you can’t do.
But I think what we’ve seen in the last couple of years, we’ve seen the establishment so thoroughly discredit itself. I think that really does help people a lot. But she did it before that happened. Kind of interesting. Yeah. It’s a fascinating story. Like I said, she used to date Andy Wakefield, who I know intimately from the whole, whole battle on autism and how the general public still thinks that they’ve never proven a link between vaccines and autism. But that could not be further from the truth, David. But you could go out and do a poll outside of any hotel in downtown, a city, in any blue city in the country, and it’d probably be the majority of people think, oh, that’s, that’s been disproven.
That’s not the case. And so, so we have been so inundated with medical misinformation because of the profit motive and also the fact that they like to keep population control and they like to keep us controlled because there’s no better way to control us as a people than by our health. If you can control our health, David, you can control everything. It doesn’t matter how much money you have, you’ll trade it all for your health. And the situations are obvious. But when we get something, like when we come out with a lump or bump, we believe that is the disease.
And this is what I’m here to tell your audience. The lump or the bump, even the lump she cut out of her breast is not the disease. Let me repeat, that is not the disease. No different than if you get chicken pox. You wouldn’t cut the little pimples off of your arm to try to cure chicken pox. That is the. What they’ve done for 50 or 60 years, failing dreadfully, miserably. So much so that the recent woman who was on Tucker Carlson gave up her surgery career. She was at Stanford Hospital. She was at top of her class.
I think Carrie means Cali means I think is her name. And if your producer can help us find that name, she gave up her career. She Was just on Tug Carlson. And she broke this news and her, her brother was a, a he would raise funds for, to try to battle. You know, he was one of the people that convinced the politicians to go with more pharmaceutical drugs. I don’t know, my brain’s not working to find these words this morning. But she quit her career because all she said she was ever taught to do, she put in her resignation.
All she was ever taught to do is, is cut things out of people’s body and then bill them for it. She never learned the entire system of how it worked. That’s right. Cancer is an entire body system failure. It means that you have a deficiency disease that cannot fight back the cancer. So if you start by cutting out a lump or bump, all you’re doing is releasing it, it’s almost guaranteed to come back. Chemotherapy is just a drug, a deadly, poisonous drug that does kill cancer, but it also kills all your healthy cells. So people’s hair falls out, their nails fall out, their teeth get loose, they lose their appetite, they lose weight.
Radiation is simply an X ray pointed at the tumor, trying to reduce it again, killing the symptom. The reason why we have that tumor is because it’s surrounding the cancer. It’s killing the symptom. And it may shrink, but it’s not going to go away. These people end up dying anyway. And we, we watch the statistics. Over 90% of the people that go into that system with chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery, over 90% of them die within seven years. It’s a death cult. Cancer is the same death cult that we had with COVID except we did it over 50 years and 60 years.
And people like Hans Nieper, Dr. Hans Nieper, who treated president Ronald Reagan for cancer with laetril and metabolic therapy in 1985, he had, he had stage four colon cancer. He treated it and he couldn’t even tell people about it until later in life. He wrote, he wrote books and information. But president Ronald Reagan, who, you know, signed the law that said that you couldn’t sue a pharmaceutical company, he was convinced. He was a good man, I believe, but he was convinced by these pharmaceutical companies that they needed to have this protection, Otherwise we weren’t going to be able to help children in the future.
Now we have 72 vaccines. We have, you know, kids in California get 72 shots by the time they’re five years old. And our health is deteriorating because the more medicine they stick into us that’s supposed to help our immune system, the more we deny God’s medicine, which Is what la trill, Vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin E. All these vitamins we need. They have us go away from those instead of going to them them when we get disease. That’s pretty amazing. You talk about Ronald Reagan and the doctor who secretly treated him. You know, they really try to keep that a secret.
Whatever anybody is suffering from the presence, we got to have this image that they’re invincible. But also they don’t want people to know that. It’s truly amazing because Reagan, that would have been in. He was maybe in his early to mid-70s at that point time. And I think he lived to his early 90s, didn’t he? Yeah, he lived 19 years past stage four cancer. He was extremely petrified. I’ve interviewed a man who was on his staff, literally from Connecticut, who knew Dr. Hans Niefer and helped work with this. And he knew that he was shipped off to a.
A navy vessel off the coast of West Germany because Dr. Hans Dieper was from West Germany. He was also connected with Sloan Kettering. Dr. Hansnieper was when they were doing this study. So he knew that laetrile worked in the mid-70s, but they lied about it. So he continued to use this in his practice helping people with nutritional therapy for cancer. But he was also sworn to secrecy. So actually his speech writer didn’t even put that Reagan had cancer until after he passed away. And then he just mentioned that he had colon cancer, but he cured it naturally.
It’s documented that he cut a little piece of his colon out out, but avoided chemotherapy and radiation altogether. And that would have changed the world, David, in 1985, three years before my dad died, it would have changed the world, but they kept it quiet. And he lived 19 years and died of, you know, senility, basically, 19 years later after he had stage four terminal cancer in his first presidency. And no one knows this story. We have all the documentation. We are putting it out there. And look at the similarities between Trump and Reagan when they both were pro vaccines and pro big pharma because they had so much pressure.
They were both shot at, they both had attempted assassinations, and they both, on the face value, both believe in freedom of choice and natural answers to disease. Of course, when you look at the gag order that they put on Hans Neeper about that, it’s very much like what I started out the program with. I started talking about the debate and I said, hey, it’s a big pageant and everything. I played a clip from Wag the Dog, and when they get the Hollywood director there, they said, you’re going to. You’re going to create a war for us.
It’s going to be a pageant. But you can’t tell anybody about it. You can never tell anybody about it because we’re going to kill you if you tell anybody about it. You know, that type of thing. And the fact that they would do that to cover up a cancer treatment, that would be an opposition to what the big pharmaceutical companies want to do. That truly is amazing. With Ronald Reagan. Now, of course, that book. You’ve held up a couple of books there, Hans Nieper and another one that was the study that they did. Those books are available at RNC as well, right? Yeah, yeah.
We have RNC store.com. you can use the discount code that people know about. That should be in the description that they can get discount on the, on all the documents that we have. We’ve put together the most extensive list of proving documents that we can. And we have thousands more documents to go. I mean, this just the strangest things we find from this vault. And it says how to legally avoid unwanted immunizations of all kinds. This was a document produced back in the 1980s when people, when people knew about natural answers, but they were trying to get this out there.
Now with the Internet, at least on shows like yours, we can get this truth out there, but we have so much documentation they’ve covered up. And how do we get it? David? It was hidden away to keep it from the raids of the three letter agencies. The president of an organization called the Cancer Control Society hid it away to keep it from the three letter agencies that were raiding his home in Northern California. And so he put it in containers and we’ve brought it to Arizona to a location to be named later. We’re scanning it, we’re going through it, we’re finding, I mean, literally newspaper clippings that were getting reproduced.
Wow. Lateral on FDA safe list. And then a poster that they put out the FDA put out saying how it’s unsafe and unnatural. We’ve got patriots marshalling forces to fight metacrats. Does that sound like something that could come out of a article from today? Yeah. Repeats itself. And then here’s an author that wrote a book in the 60s who predicted his own arrest just from telling people about laetrile and B17 therapy, basically as a natural answer to the C word. Now, doctors have always gotten in trouble from saying that it treats cancer. And that’s what we want to avoid in this day and age.
So we can let doctors know, just use it for their patients. Use it for their people, just as a support for the immune system. Just like vitamin C, vitamin D or anything else. So that’s one of our messages we have at RNC store as well. Not only do we have the products available, the information available, we also counsel doctors who are across the country are waking up in droves. Not woke, but waking up in droves. That natural answers, not only does it help the patients get out of the system, but they can also have a wonderful career helping people naturally.
Even as an md, you can use. Use a mixture of some orthodox medicine, especially with surgeries and accidents and things like that. But if you can be proactive on giving people the right nutrition that they need, doctors, MDs are learning right now that that’s the path to the future. Yeah, yeah. I’m surprised with all those documents that you had there, we didn’t see anything from the FDA saying this is for horses, y’all. It’s that kind of stuff. They have completely destroyed their credibility. That’s the only good thing that’s come out of the last four years is that people have finally seen how they operate.
And I had seen how they operated before this because they pulled the same stuff with COVID that they had done for their annual flu shot stuff and everything. It’s like, well, we’ve seen this before. We know exactly where they’re going. We know exactly the kind of manipulation and propaganda that they used to people. But they went even farther the time and really destroyed their credibility. You know, we talk about Ronald Reagan in 1985 having natural therapy and other things like that and surviving and not having chemotherapy. That was not too long after that. It’s in about a two year period, not even about a year and a half.
My father had cancer and he got chemotherapy and his first time they gave him chemotherapy, went into a coma and he died a few days later from the chemotherapy. He didn’t die from cancer, he died from their chemotherapy. Same thing could have happened to Ronald Reagan and that if he hadn’t gone with a natural thing, instead he wound up living for another 19 years. A tale. Yeah, it’s amazing. Yeah. Friend. A friend of mine, Dr. Rashid Batar, who, Who was most likely murdered. You know, I just try to tell the truth. Even though people go, he was most likely murdered.
I was texting him back and forth when he was said he was poisoned. He was definitely poisoned. And whether he was eventually murdered by that or it was a perfect of that poisoning. Anyway, he was, he was taken out. But he, he made it well known as an MD that 90% of the people that got cancer died of the treatment from the cancer. Yes, 90% of people. And so you might be better off, and you know this is blasphemy, you might be better off, off just going home and enjoying the rest of your life instead of getting these poisons.
Like you said, your dad was given a treatment. You know how many times I hear that people are given their first dose of chemotherapy and they’re so sick afterwards, they’re like, I didn’t feel this sick ever during this whole bout with cancer. So even that. And the FDA had to admit, David, as you joked about horse pace, they had to admit that amygdala and without a doubt cause people to get off painkillers. Our whole medical system, David, has become where painkillers, pain is the, is the symptom that everyone wants to fix. Yes. If you’ve got something wrong with you, you gotta get a painkiller to get that pain away.
It doesn’t have anything to do with taking care of the disease. So we’re taking pharmaceutical drugs for painkillers or antivirals or antibacterial and anti this and that to get rid of pain. When that’s a symptom of what’s wrong, that tells your body, telling you God, telling you you’re doing something wrong, stop eating that thing, stop doing that thing, stop drinking that alcohol or doing whatever you’re doing that’s unhealthy. Learn, fix the problem. And that’s what we’ve gotten away from, and that’s what we’re getting back to, is resolving the underlying problem so that we don’t die soon, we don’t die of the treatment, instead of dying from quote unquote, the deficiency disease, which we don’t have to die.
Ed Griffin, 93, the Hunzes who he documented lived in the turn of the century, lived to be 120, 130 years old, and they ate up to 200 apricot seeds a day. Now, I’m not saying here that apricot seeds are the all encompassing answer to every disease on the planet, but I have studies that I found in this bulb where famous, world famous dentist proved that cavities were actually a deficiency of vitamin B17. Believe it or not, David, we found that information. This has been covered up. Of course, it’s much more profitable to drill holes and fill with things and do all sorts of treatments.
I’m not saying dentists are all bad, but there’s natural answers to the things that go on in our Mouth. Just as proven over history as there are all these medical answers. Yeah. You stop and think about vitamin C and rickets. I mean, that’s just a defic deficiency and vitamin C. There’s all different types of things. I know what you meant. Rick gets his vitamin D. Sorry. 2.4 million people died a year, David, back 300 years ago. And that’s a natural, easy answer. We don’t know about scurvy. The same thing is going on with B17. It’s just so hard for us to believe it.
They want to keep us in fear, just like they did with COVID so that we try this vaccine, which is not a vaccine at all. It’s been well proven. It’s a gene therapy. No question about it. We. No question that more people died, have died from the results of that vaccine than ever died of COVID The treatments for Covid is what killed people. And this is information that, you know, three years ago probably would have got me put in jail, but people were saying back three years ago, and now it’s coming out in the general public.
So people are more skeptical of the medical establishment than they’ve ever been. And. Time to wake up. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it is. And I wish. And they pull this stuff on us all the time. I’m just at the point now where I’m absolutely done with the medical community after what happened. You know, first I told you what happened to my father, then my son gets ciprofloxin. Well, it’s not actually that. It was. It was of that family, of the floxin family. Same thing as chemotherapy. And the people are talking about says it’s the same exact thing.
It continues to attack your body, continues to attack your mitochondria after you take it, even just a small amount of it. And when I start looking online to see if I can find some natural remedies or things like that, what I see are, you know, from WebMD and these other places. Well, you should have some SSRIs if you’re having trouble sleeping. It’s like, are you kidding me? SSRIs, or they say gabapentin. Gabapentin was something they gave my wife after she had a hip replacement. And it caused her to have all kinds of issues. Just the initial dosage of that.
It took us quite a while to get her detoxed from that made her pass out all the rest of this stuff. It was just amazing to see these things that they just prescribe them like candy. They’ll go down. And these doctors, you Talked about the doctor who said, well, my only job was to cut things out of people, you know, well, the other doctors, their prescription is to look at a table of simple and then tell you what the pharmaceutical industry wants you to take at the moment and without any regard to any kind of safety concerns.
And they don’t tell you what the safety concerns are. It’s just amazing. Yeah, they don’t have any tests that test them all together. No matter what they say about a drug test that’s always tested by itself. They do that so that there’s, you know, they call these double blind, you know, studies. They test that one drug by itself. It’s never tested with 2, 2, 3, 4, 5 vaccines, 72 vaccines. That never happens. Even when they try to say they’ve done safety tests. Most of them, a couple people died or a couple people had heart failure, a couple people had liver.
And now they allow hundreds of people to die before they take a drug off the, off the, you know, the market. And this whole thing, you know, one of the things we talked about was Zuckerberg coming out and now saying that he was, was convinced not to let people know about natural answers to Covid. He was convinced he was strong armed. It’s amazing, David, to think, to hear that and hear that information coming out. But I think Zuckerberg is like the rat leaving the sinking vessel. He literally has seen that things he’s done has killed people.
People have had heart attacks because of him. People have lost their children because of him. Him. And so it’s all well and good that at this 11th hour when it’s all coming out everywhere, that he’s going to jump ship and kind of try to throw the administration under the bus. But the truth is he knew, he knew very well. He lied over and over again. And so I’m one of those people. Yes, I believe God can forgive people, you know, whatever they’ve done in their lives. One of the people that still thinks that we need to pursue to him paying for this.
He needs to, he’s to pay for this, this evil lying. Yeah, you can, you can say it, I admit it and I give him credit for that instead of waiting for him to be completely taken out later. But I don’t forgive him and I don’t forget it. And I’m not the one to judge him. God will be the one to judge him. But our, our criminal justice system needs to deal with him whatever happens. I’m not saying it’s going to David, but that’s what I’m putting out there. And I’m not afraid of Facebook and Zuckerberg. Just like what happened with the CEO of YouTube.
The powers that be, the evil ones that want us dead don’t care who they kill. Their death cult. And this woman who supported the vaccine and pushed the vaccine and told everybody to get it died of turbo cancer at 54. Can’t even pronounce her name, but she was the CEO of YouTube that probably kicked you off. Kicked me off. I had a channel with subscribers and got kicked off because I was just telling people about Natural Answers and she lost her life and they don’t care. Yeah, I mean, and that’s. They kicked me off. They kicked me off for telling people about the Federal Reserve.
They’ll kick you off for anything. Like Ed Griffin. They call Ed Griffin a right wing extremist because he told people the truth about. About the Federal Reserve and creature from Jekyll island and told people the truth about cancer 50 years ago. David. And even patriots or people that are right minded still think cancer is the lump of the bump. Or they think it’s something we catch or it’s something. Some chemical they give us. No, it’s our immune system not having the proper nutrition, the enzymes. And I think I’ve mentioned this to you about the professor at Loyola University who came out in 1978 and said that this may be the end to breast cancer.
His name was Dr. Harold Manor. He was the head of biology at Loyola University for 30 years. And he studied amygdala with mice that were bred to grow breast cancers and wiped out 89% of the cancers and said this may mean the end of mastectomies. And he was fired in the 1970s, left penniless and had to move to Mexico and actually died 90 days before my father in 1988. Wow. Wow, that’s amazing. Yeah. And I really want to thank you for persisting on this because, you know, as these people are so persistent, we have to be equally persistent to tell people the truth.
As persistent as they are to try to cover it up. I think many times about. My wife was protesting in abortion clinic in Austria, had a sign said stop black genocide, you know, and they had the lefties show up. It’s the first time we’d seen antifa people and they showed up with a black sign. They didn’t have anything to say. They just want to stop you from saying what you’re saying. And so he tried to hold in front of her sign. She’d go down below him and he’d Go down, she’d go up. And they’re going up and down, up and down to show this thing.
It’s just amazing that they just want to silence people. And we know what it is that they want to do now. You got the. You were talking about Zuckerberg. You’ve got an article, extensive article, talking about this. Tell people where they can find that. Well, it’s. It’s on our website@rncstore.com if you, if you use the forward slash newsletter, you just sign up for. You just put your name and your email. I know people are cautious about that. We don’t use it for, you know, spamming people. But this is where we can send out this information. We have all the research about what Zuckerberg said and what he did and just explain to people that it’s not time to go, oh, let’s go, jump back on Facebook.
And now they’re telling the truth because Zuckerberg’s seen the light. Just know he’s covering his butt. He’s just covering his rear. And they brainwash the entire world and, you know, by censoring and de. Platforming and it’s not something you can just ask forgiveness to get away from. They need to. If he really means it. We’ll see if that’s just a news cycle. And it came out and said that Trump was a bad, you know, ass for standing up. And it’s all like you said, David, just like my good friend Geogriffin. It’s all this play we’re watching and we don’t know where it’s all going to come down.
But we have to fight our own battle. We have to. That’s why we can’t just leave our health up to the powers that be. We can’t leave our information up to the powers that be at Google and Facebook. We have to hold them to account and continue telling the truth. And like your wife, if you get censored here, you move it over here. If you get censored there, you move over here. We’re on. I think you’re on the Rumble Channel, and I think maybe we’re on live right now on Rumble Channel, which I think is a great platform.
It seems like they’re not censoring information and things are starting to go viral. People are starting to realize if they want the truth about health freedom or political freedom or even, even, even financial freedom, that they gotta go to a platform that doesn’t censor the. The truth, no matter what the truth is. And I’m a person that believes every freedom of speech is the most important freedom we have because we can’t talk. If you and I can’t disagree about something without being shut off or one of the other of us being told go away, then we’re not really speaking.
We’re not really a free people. We’re not free and we can’t and we’re never going to the battle against this tyranny without freedom of speech and freedom of opportunity to get our message out there. Oh, absolutely. And it’s ridiculous what they’re doing now. I just saw there’s an article in Germany, the German government is coming after some guy because on social media he called a German minister fat. Well, she actually is fat, you know, but it was. What they’re really after is they’re saying you don’t have the, you don’t have the freedom to insult. And that’s especially true of our masters, our political masters.
But this is a few years ago you had Rowan Atkinson, the comedian in the UK said, please feel free to insult me. You know, we must be able to keep this freedom of speech, you know, without it. He was saying we don’t have any comedy, but we also don’t have any freedom to say anything. If you can shut somebody down because you hurt their feelings about it because you said something that was mean spirited. The reality is, is that if they shut down our speech, that is the key thing. That is why it was number one on the list of Bill of Rights that Madison and other people added to the Constitution because it is so foundational.
I, I’ve said before, I think it is even more foundational than the second Amendment. You’re not even going to know who to shoot at if you, they don’t have free speech. I mean, you will not even rise up against tyranny, let alone resist it in any way, shape or form if you don’t know that the tyranny is happening. And that’s why the tyrants come after free speech. And it is a program that is designed to enslave us, designed to kill us. And that’s what the medical side is all about. And so it continues to escalate. We got several people who have left messages here.
We’re on live on Rock Fin. Scott Helmer, thank you for the tip. He says please post this full interview to David’s X account so it can be shared with friends and family. And we do, we do that every day. We will pull out every interview that we do. We put it on our Rumble Channel and on Rock fin and on Bitshoot and YouTube and we put it on our X account. So we do that every day as well as gab. We put it on Gab as well. And so, you know, every interview that we do is up there.
We’ll also pull out a couple of clips from the show as well as the full show. Always will be up there. And on Rock Finn, Jessica Morrow, thank you for the tip. Says. Thank you, David, especially for your show today. I am a longtime listener and I’ve been diagnosed with stage four melanoma. I’m 46 and a mother of two. Your topic today is so true. I have dealt with two different hospitals here in the Northeast, one of them being quite famous for cancer treatment. And all they want to do is a single protocol of drugs down my throat or in my arm.
It’s very sad. It is sad. Mayo Clinic, I’m guessing. Mayo Clinic. And here’s a funny, here’s not a funny story. I just want to tell her to take heart because I have a friend whose name is Rick Hill, who’s celebrating his 50th year of being cancer free when he was sent home at the age of 24 by Mayo Clinic saying he had stage four cancer and he was going to die. He is celebrating In October, his 50th year being cancer free using metabolic therapy, including laetrile. He actually spoke to the Congress in the 1970s to keep them from outlawing it.
They wanted to outlaw a nutritional substance that’s found in 1200 different foods that’s primarily found in the apricot seed. That’s why we talk about the apricot seed, because it’s the easiest way to get it. And I’ve got, I’ve got apricot seeds. So tell us a little bit about that and the apr. I, I, you know, when, when you eat this, you got to go a little bit. So I couldn’t believe it when you said there’s that tribe that ate two of them, 200 of them a day, because I, oh, it looks like almonds. And I pop several of them in my mouth and it kind of gets, I don’t know how to describe it.
It was a very interesting sensation that you get when you taste many of them, you know, at one time. But there’s something there for sure. Yeah, it’s horrible tasting. And the thought is that what they, what the bad guys say, what Google says is you’re getting cyanide poison. When you get these reactions, you, it’s, it’s absolutely nearly impossible to get cyanide poison, unless you drank a bunch of beta glucosidase at the same time. And that’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a longer story than we have time for now, but I want to tell people that God created vitamins to keep us disease free.
If we just listen to what he says, and I’ve repeated this, I’m going to go. Genesis 1:29. Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of the earth and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. God did not provide us these seeds to poison us. That’s the lie they want to tell us. David. Yeah, Amygdalin is broken apart only in the presence of a abnormal cell. That’s where beta glucosidase is. So if you eat a handful of them, you’re probably going to give yourself an upset stomach because your body’s not used to dealing with it.
The average American diet gets about 1 milligram of amygdalin in a day. My dad said. Ed Griffin said you need 100 to 200 milligrams a day, not a whole lot. It’s only like five or 10 apricot seeds. There’s 20 milligrams in each apricot seed. And David, I eat regularly, 40 a day. Now, I have to put the caveat. I don’t recommend that to everybody because if you do that, you’re going to get an upset stomach. You’re not going to get cyanide, poison poisoning. That doesn’t happen. The body has rhodinase called the protecting enzyme, which breaks the.
Any free cyanide that’s developed if you come in contact with a cancer cell is broken down by rhodinase. That turns it into a pain reliever. That’s why the FDA can’t deny that amygdalin causes pain relief. But I’m gonna be at the Healing for the Ages conference this weekend with Dr. Brian Artis, Dr. Ed Group, who many people know from Global Healing. Yeah, I know who used Laura. I just talked at Dr. Ed Group yesterday. He used Laetril back in the 1990s and 2000s until he got demonized by the, by the FDA, and we had to move away from it and started Global Healing.
We’re working together on a project that I’m not going to announce yet, working on it to bring this to more people in a way that’s not so nasty tasting as the apricot seed, because this is the best way to get it. It’s also the hardest way for people to do because, because they don’t like the taste of it. So we’re trying to make it, grind it up and put it into seed meal so people can put it in their smoothies or their oatmeal. But again, I must repeat, I’m not the only one that has it. It’s not a trademark or God has the trademark on it.
That’s the thing that they hate. Yeah, they hate that this little seed can wipe out a 2 trillion dollar industry. And so they’ll lie, cheat and steal to stop people from knowing about this. And I’m not the only one who has it. You can grow it in your own yard and you can eat foods that have amygdala in it. Yeah. And it says there on the label, California grown, tested, pesticide and herbicide free, air dried, it looks very much like almonds. And like I said, you know, it’s kind of a, kind of a strong taste. I just grabbed a handful of them.
It’s like almost popping in. Let’s take these one or two at a time. When you’re first doing it, it’s like, oh, okay, well, but, but I survived, didn’t have any problems. I didn’t even have an upset stomach with it. And then I’ve got this as well. Seed caps. Tell us a little bit about seed caps. Yeah, seed caps is just our answer. It’s very simple. We squeeze the oil out of it to keep it from going rancid and we grind it up. Our seed powder has the oil pressed out and that, we put it in a capsule.
So if you don’t like the taste, you just take it. It gets through your upper colon and goes to work in your stomach. So that’s just a way to get it separately. You can get it as pure, pure laetrile. I have the bottles back here for somebody that wants more potency. 100 milligrams of pure laetrile, 500 milligrams. We even offer it in the liquid later, which some people use to add to their IVs, just like vitamin C. Dr. Krebs, who is kind of the proponent of the 60s and 70s, who was getting the word out there, said, when people said, how much should I do if I have some? He said, get as much into your system as your immune system can handle.
So they, they did many toxicology studies back then and even more recent that, that amygdalin, even though they try to make you fearful of the cyanide thing. And we’ve talked about that is safer than sugar. And my wife even goes, honey, stop saying that, because sugar’s poison. The number one thing you need to do if you’re trying to be healthy is get off sugar. But later, pure amygdalin is safer than sugar and has no. We have many studies and many documentation, and it’s all available@rncstore.com for people to look up, understand and read that it’s not just John Richardson having some patent or trademark on this, this item.
It’s, it’s, it’s available out there in the world. And we want to teach people so they can’t take that away from us, so they can’t keep us afraid and going to do chemotherapy, rushing to chemotherapy, radiation, surgery when we have an issue. Well, it’s very important and it’s very important for us to arm ourselves with the truth before something happens. You know, it’s just in our particular case, you know, you got an emergency infection that is really rapidly building and you’re concerned about that. We didn’t know the history of these, you know, flocks and the family of these drugs and everything like that.
And it didn’t ring a bell. And I was, I was sick at the time myself as well. And so, you know, they take advantage of your ignorance is what they do. I got a couple of questions here. A comment, A question on rockfin nn says my sister worked at UAB and four researchers quietly announced that they had found a possible cure for cancer. I don’t know what type, but they were shut down. Heard that over and over again. And I’ve got this from Brian and Deb McCartney. Can you ask him about Dr. Stanislaw Brzezinski and if he knew him? Yeah, I do know him.
More know of him. We’re not personal friends, but he’s out of Houston. I’ve driven by his clinic. I have a good friend that does know him. Where there was actually a study, David Dunn, at a hospital in Houston that proved that amygdalin helped prevent or treat seven different types of C word. Now, I’m going to use that in that sentence because they were also shut down. Obama administration shut it down. The people forget. Why would they do that? Why would they do that? For an answer. Because people forget that the entire medical industry is supported by the pharmaceutical industries.
So at this hospital, there was 10 or 20 million dollars worth of drugs being tested through the pipeline. Pfizer is buying companies that have come up with a new drug for cancer there. This is a profit machine. So If I. Like I said, if there was a study done at a hospital or someplace like Sloan kettering in the 70s that proved. Read the title of this. And you can watch this using your night as people’s affiliate code. You can watch this for free on our website as long as it stays up on Rumble. Because they took it down from Facebook, but it showed that it stopped the spread of cancer, and they lied to us about it.
This was in the 1970s. If you don’t think they’re doing that to us now, if people don’t think they’re doing that to us now, this. This is the answer that they don’t want us to know about. And as long as I can keep standing up in my soapbox and preaching this and getting information out there, there for such a time as this, people are receptive to it, David, because they’ve gone through the things that you have, and many of your viewers have gone through the same thing. They shut down the natural answers because there’s no profit in it.
Yeah, the system doesn’t sustain itself that way. That’s why we have to scrap that system eventually and go from the point of view of healing the person. Not treating their pains or their symptoms and just masking them, but healing the person. That’s what we have to go back to. It’s not, you know, voodoo medicine. It’s scientifically proven natural answers to disease that we need to open up to the world. And that should be the first route people take. That should be the first route they take. Absolutely. Yeah. It’s time for a paradigm shift. I mean, how can we look at what has happened the last four years and not understand that? But, you know, I just.
Recently I looked up a supplement, nmn, and the people that I got it from, and I saw that they got shut down during the COVID stuff because they said something that was really pretty innocuous, saying, you know, well, this. This really does help with COVID but you have to be very careful about that. If you make a particular statement or claim, they will use that then to shut you down. They completely shut those people down. I remember when things were happening and people were concerned, said, well, we got this. This thing out there. And I said, look, you know, SARS and things like this, you know, these are not really novel or new.
And I read quotes from people who had been. One of them was still at either the FDA or the nih, and I said, here’s what they’re saying. They’re saying that it builds up your body’s defenses it doesn’t necessarily kill a particular disease, but it builds up your body’s defenses so that you fight it naturally. And so I read the quotes from both the NIH and from the FDA for that. But if you go out and you say, well, it’s going to cure such and such a disease, and that’s not really the paradigm because as you point out, we’re not focused on a disease.
We’re not focused on cutting off a bump or cutting off a lump or whatever, whatever. That’s not really the disease. The disease is more systematic. And that’s why you’re approaching it from a nutritional standpoint. Absolutely. That’s, that’s the safest way to look, to approach it. For doctors, for health practitioners, for people to understand that we’re supporting the immune system. We have all over our website that this has never been approved by fda. I’m not a doctor. I don’t treat patients. I’m just a historian that’s pushing this message out there and giving people the data they need to make own decisions.
And that’s what we have to do. We can’t bury our head in the sand anymore, David. We can’t just hope someone else is going to protect us. There’s going to be white knights coming in and rescuing us at the last possible second. Even who are voting for president. Even though I think it’s a clear, there’s a clear difference between the two people on face value now, I don’t think that’s our answer to our future. Our answer is for us to be educated. Us to learn the truth and get it and spread it amongst our tribes, the people that we love the most, the people that follow you, listening to your truth, they know you tell the truth regardless of whether it’s best for your financial reasons or not.
Same thing for me. I sell a book on my website, David, that says cancer free with food. It actually teaches anybody who buys it how to put me out of business. What a crazy thing to do. Because if you eat the right foods, you don’t need John Richardson. You don’t need this story. If you eat the right foods and take the right nutrients, you can avoid the C word in your lifetime and avoid it for any of your family members. It’s really just an educational and making the right choices when you’re eating. The problem is most of our choices are limited to processed foods at the grocery store, the fast food place, and left to our own devices, we’re going to eat things that are sugary and salty and taste delicious and have no nutritional value.
So sometimes eating the right thing tastes horrible. But God told us that’s what we need to eat for food. So I recommend people follow what God said. That’s a, that’s a really good spiritual analogy as well. Sometimes it’s bitter taste, but it’s what he’s got for our best interest. And you know, there’s been a lot of talk about hyper processed foods and all this other kind of stuff. And so a lot of there was an article that just was published in addition to that said, well, you know, a lot of people are saying, well, I don’t want to have junk food and everything.
So they’re eating really good stuff. They’re eating salad and having fat free salad dressings and everything. Said, well, do you realize that the colon cancer is going up because this stuff is just loaded with chemicals. It’s just an imitation of the other stuff, you know, that is natural and it just is permeated throughout our food supply. You know, the wheat is adulterated from genetic modification and it’s from selective breeding even before the genetic modification. But now they’re gonna be doing GMO wheat. Everything is adulterated like that. So it is really difficult to eat natural and eat really clean.
Even the people who think they’re eating clean are getting some kind of a fake imitation of food. You need toyou need a supplement, unfortunately, with what the food that we have available. But some of the guidelines that mymy beautiful wife has taught me to really follow, even though I’ve been a person who ate a lot of dairy, she says if you’reif you’re battling a disease and you want to get healthier and feel better, Stay away from dairy, stay away from gluten and stay away from sugar. Those are the three hard things to everybody who likes the hot fresh buns with, you know, sugar and you know, cakes and things like that.
If you can stay away from those three things besides what I’m talking about, you know, dairy, gluten and sugar, you can avoid a lot of disease. And those things have been been kind of pushed on us over time because those industries had the most money to spend to get on that food pyramid. And so it is a financial thing. But our food right now is mostly garbage. Mostly garbage. So we do need to supplement and that’s unfortunate, but it’s a lot cheaper than the other method to treat after you get it and try to fight it that way.
Oh, absolutely. Well, I’m real interested to see what’s going to come out with collaboration between you and Dr. Group. Tell him I said hi. I will. Such a nice guy. Really nice. I’ll see him this weekend. Yeah, I’ll see him with Brian Artis, Dr. Schmidt from Gold Care. They’re doing amazing things, David. I don’t know if you’re familiar with what. I don’t know them, but I do know Dr. Group and I have the most respect for him. He is such a nice guy, very sincere in what he does and one of the nicest people I’ve ever met.
Really? Yeah. Factory is 10:12 minutes away from me. I don’t want to tell people exactly where I am. Yeah. He’s out in Arizona too, somewhere, right? No, he has his main office in Houston, but his factory is out here in Arizona. And we’re going to be doing liposomal versions of B17, which are absolutely amazing. And we’re working on it right now. And it’s not like I’m announcing something that’s private. It’s a naturally occurring substance. I’m never going to have a trademark to it. I don’t want a trademark to it. I don’t want to be the only person, David.
It protects me with more people that know about it and more people are growing in their garden and getting it. And when you’re talking about liposomal, you’re talking about having it bonded essentially to fat so that it’s more absorbable into the system. Is that correct? Throughout the whole body. It was invented by the skincare companies, spent millions of dollars on it. Then Dr. Group has spent the last eight years perfecting it nutritionally. He said they dropped it in the skincare line because they were taking all these poisons and making it to go all to different parts of your body.
So it wasn’t helpful. It’s only. Liposomal technology is only good if the. What you’re bringing to people is actually good for them. Yeah. So that’s what he’s developed at Global Healing and we’re going to be doing that and I’m excited about it. So I’m really excited about that. Yeah. Vitamin liposomal, Vitamin C. We’ve been taking that for a while and that’s. In our family have known about that. So that’s great to see that happening with other things. The Richardson Nutrition Center. RNC. And it’s RNC store.com. is that where people can find things? That’s right. RNC store.com.
remember, don’t tell me about how to. How to run the Republican National Committee. I’m not going to help anybody with that. So that’s right and Richard signature and he’ll give you some special benefits and things to help you if you use the Code Knight. And we’re going to put up some links on our website, let you know about that. But yeah, I’m all about people trying to find alternatives. You know, we need to have alternatives to the fiat dollar. We need to have alternatives to this fake, dangerous medical system. We got to have a parallel society.
That’s the only way that we’re going to be able to survive this stuff. These people are out to destroy everything in our society as well as our bodies, bodies and our souls. And so we’ve got to start educating ourselves and taking advantage of this. And you have a wealth of things to educate people about there with publications. An excellent resource source. Thank you so much, John for what you do. Again, it’s rncstore.com thank you John. Appreciate it. Thank you David. God bless. Thank you and thank you all for listening and for joining us today. That’s it for today’s broadcast.
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