We have as our guest here Seth Gruber, who is with the 1916 project. I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and we’ve been trying to get our schedules together so that I could get them on. Somebody who knows them heard the broadcast and said, hey, they’d like to talk to you. So I’m very excited to talk to him about this. This is the issue of the election, folks, and it’s an issue that the GOP is running away from, and that is the abortion issue. But even beyond that, what this project is. And we’re going to let him lay the film, and they can organize screenings at churches and that type of thing.

This is fundamentally about the agenda of Planned Parenthood. You know, what is behind the abortion. And so the website is the1916project.com and joining us now is Seth Gruber. Thank you for joining us, Seth. Thank you, David. Honored to be on Brother. Thank you. Let’s talk a little bit about. Tell people how you got into this. You got a background in film, I’m assuming, and so tell people a bit about that and the other things that you do, and then we’ll talk about the 1916 project. So I don’t have a background in film. I have a background in homeschooling, which means I can do anything I want because I’m not an idiot and I’m not a gay communist.

And so because my mother put me through classical Christian education and because I was memorizing the entire preamble, the Constitution, and the entire Declaration of Independence by the time I was 11, including whole chapters of scripture, I can do whatever the hell I want. Thank you, America. And thank you, Kamala Harris, for trying to obliterate the homeschool community. I mean, if she gets elected, that’s a conversation for an another time. But have you noticed it’s always about the kids, right? Yeah, Right. If they can’t kill them in the womb, they’ll sexualize them outside the womb. If they can’t do that, they’ll indoctrinate them or just chemically castrate them.

Planned Parenthood, David, is not only the largest abortion provider in the world, they’re also now the second largest provider in America of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. So chemically castrating transgender drugs for America’s gender confused youth. Wow. The same organization as both things. What a coincidence. Except it’s not. They’re not an abortion organization, guys. They’re a culture of death organization. And they will profit off of the hypersexualized culture that they helped architect in the first place. And that’s a lot of the history that we tell in the film and book, the 1916 Project. But I was raised in Los Angeles County.

I was homeschooled through eighth grade. I went to public high school and Nixon’s alma mater, Whittier High School, where my dad and all my aunts went. And my senior year, I did my senior project on abortion. Now I knew what abortion was. My mother led a pregnancy center while pregnant with me. She was helping save babies and love on moms while I was still in utero. So I’ve actually been a pro life activist since I was a fetus, David. But there I am as a senior realizing I don’t have as many good answers to my pro abortion friends as I’d like to have.

And I felt convicted about that. So I picked abortion as my senior project, which you had to do a senior project to graduate. And my high school told me, you can’t pick that topic. And I say, excuse me. And I said, I recommend you read the constitution you’re making me read in government class or you’re going to have a lawsuit on your hands. So at 18 years old, as a former homeschool kid, David, I threatened to sue my public high school for viewpoint discrimination. And guess what? They backed off real quick. I then went to a fake Christian college in Santa Barbara down the street from Oprah’s house called Westmont College.

I thought I was joining a Christian college of my like minded Christian peers. Turns out there’s pro abortion professors on that faculty. There still are to this day. And I’ve been barred from speaking on campus for clubs as an alum for three times now. So I got the steel in my spine not at like UC Berkeley or ucla, but at a Christian college where I thought I would meet people that would want to join me in tearing down the high places of child sacrifice. But I was thoroughly disappointed. So to answer your question, that’s my background.

Then I started speaking full time on the issue of life when I graduated in 2014, over 10 years ago. And in 2022, we launched the White Rose Resistance, which is now the fastest growing pro life organization in America. We’re two and a half years old and our film is going viral right now on X or Twitter. We’ve done 800 screenings in churches, 800 churches screening since the middle of June. And the 1916 project is really all of the hidden history of the secular moral revolution and the dirty little secrets of the sexual revolution, which you have to understand, if you’re going to understand the soil from which Planned Parenthood was birthed and has grown.

And so my contention is that that year, 1916, and that woman, Margaret Sanger, more evil has flown from that woman in that date that’s impacting today’s upside down, perverted, inverted, disgusting society than any other revolutionary leftist of the 20th century. I know that’s a heck of a claim, but I think I can defend it. Not even Hugh Hefner or Alfred Kinsey could have been who they were without following on a trail that Sanger had already been blazing since 1914. Wow. Yeah. That is amazing. I loved when I saw. I loved the way that you’d switched that from the 1619 Project to the 1916 Project.

It was providential. Yeah. One of the things that I will never forget was the first time that I saw the patriarch of the Bush family clan right there as a treasurer for Margaret Sanger on their very first fundraising letter. I don’t know if that was 1916 or 1914 and when it was the exact date, but I remember seeing his name on the upper left hand side as the fundraiser, Prescott Bush. And so, you know, this is something that we see happening. There’s a bipartisan aspect of it. One of the things that I find to be the most frustrating, but also, you know, strange mysteries of this is why the Republicans will not take this on directly.

As I said earlier in the program, they came out and said, okay, well, what is a woman? You know, they would ask that question to people and they can’t answer it. They won’t answer it. So why don’t you say, what is a baby? What is an abortion? They won’t define those things and they run away from this issue. So that’s why what you’re doing is so important, not to run away. Yeah. So, David, so check this out. Here’s how simple this is, okay? They won’t define marriage, therefore they won’t protect it. They won’t define a baby, therefore they won’t protect them.

They won’t define a woman, therefore they won’t protect her. Pay attention. That’s right. Right. This is, this is more. We’re dealing with more than just like the genocide of babies. As if that’s not bad enough to wake people up. We’re dealing with like a war against reality as we know it. I mean, this is like the. Like, these people are logo gogs and lexographic molesters, okay? Be wary of logo gogs and lexographic molesters. Tell us what a logo gog is, yes, word tyrants. Logogs are word tyrants. And lexographic molesters are those who rape the English language to make it mean whatever they want to mean.

They’re Humpty Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland is what I’m trying to tell you, David. Now, when I use a word, it means exactly what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less. Says Humpty Dumpty, and Alice goes, can you really make words mean so many different things? That’s all. And Humpty Dumpty responds. The question is, which is to be master? That’s all a Humpty Dumpty means. Are we to master language, or is language to master us? Because if language is to master us and there’s an external reality, and language and words are pointers, and they refer to something in the real world.

So David is a man. Look, man, I know it’s crazy to say this in 2024, but when I say man, I don’t mean woman. So words are pointers. They refer to something in the real world. Or are we to master language, which means that there is no objective truth. Everything is subjective and flimsy, and you can just twist language like a pretzel to make it appear however you want it to appear. This is a war against reality itself. And listen, those who murder the unborn cannot be trusted to govern the born. Those who think that the right to life is a joke won’t get any other rights.

Right. Those who think that being human is not enough to have human rights. Because check this out, David. Every. Every major secular bioethicist in America for decades has admitted to this day that human life begins at conception, that it’s a human being. So they admit it’s a human, but they say it’s not a person with rights. It doesn’t get human rights. So in 1973 with Roe vs Wade, what kind of moral premise did we plant into the law? That being human is not enough to have human rights. Oh, okay, well, then where do these rights come from? Then it has to come from some like, sort of cognitive ability or function or accidental property, which means that the elite, those with political power, can always invent the new litmus test, if you will, for who’s valuable and who isn’t.

Guess what? Sanger believed the same thing. She was a eugenicist. Okay? And eugenics is actually worse than racism, by the way. Racism, while disgusting, might just focus in on ethnicity or skin color as the basis for discrimination. Eugenicists cast a far wider discriminatory net, if you will. Oh, epileptics. Oh, mentally and physically disabled. Oh, you’re missing a limb. Oh, you have a low iq. Oh, you have a history of criminal behavior in your family. Oh, you have a history of alcoholism. Oh, you have a history of, you know, whatever, like, you know, prostitution or divorces. Oh, you’re.

You don’t make a lot of money, huh? You’re in and out of the home a lot. Whatever it is. The eugenicists always come up with new criteria for who has value and who doesn’t, who should be allowed to have kids and who doesn’t. We’re dealing with a very pernicious, disgusting, and evil ideology, and it’s alive and well today. We’re not just talking about, like, oh, yeah, wasn’t Hitler a eugenicist? Oh, yeah. Are you talking about Stalin and Mussolini or Pol Pot? No, I’m talking about Kamala Harris, okay? I’m talking about the entire Democrat Party and probably half of the gop.

Like, listen, I’m voting for Trump because we have to stop Kamala Harris. We have to stop her. But I’m one of the main pro life leaders, David, who will regularly hold Trump’s feet to the fire because of what you just said. His. His pro choice rhetoric and abdication on the unborn has influenced the GOP to weaken their language on protections of the unborn, weaken their language on marriage. It’s incredibly infuriating. And so what we’re doing with the film is we’re trying to educate people about the history of these ideas because it is connected to today’s secular progressive movements.

By the way, progressives are not progressive. They’re regressive. All of their ideas are not modern or new. We’ve seen all that before in antiquity, and it always destroys societies and civilizations. So 1916 is when Margaret Sanger opens her very first clinic in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York. That is, for all intents and purposes, the first Planned Parenthood clinic, which is the billion dollar organization today that’s the best funded nonprofit in human history. The largest abortion provider in the world, the largest provider of the pornographic, obscene, disgusting sex ed, comprehensive sex ed in the schools, and of course, nearly the largest provider of transgender drugs, trans drugs.

Teens is now Planned Parenthood’s fastest growing revenue stream. So you’ll learn Hitlerian Hugh Hefner, Alfred Kinsey, groomer, pedophile, KKK links in my book and film about the history of Planned Parenthood, which is actually the history of the sexual revolution, and you actually can’t understand the sexual revolution. Without understanding cultural Marxism, all this stuff goes together and we kind of blow the COVID off of all of this to awaken Christians and common sense Americans to the dire straits that we’re in right now. So hopefully people will push back. Yeah, absolutely. It’s nothing new. We have people who’ve lived under totalitarian regimes and they said, we’ve seen this exact playbook before.

They call it woke to make it sound like it is something new. There’s nothing new under the sun. And you know, when you were talking about eugenics, I thought about it. You know, it’s kind of interesting because just as they will raise and lower the number of weeks of age of a baby in order to destroy the baby and say it’s no longer a person, they will also do that with IQ level. They’ll raise or lower the level of iq. It doesn’t have to necessarily be somebody who is severely low iq. They might later on raise that IQ level up to maybe just a little bit above normal.

Right. Maybe if you are, if you got 100 IQ, maybe that’s not good enough. Maybe they want to kill you because they don’t really think they need that many people. So again, we can see that that IQ level, for example, is going to be going up and down just like the weeks of maturity in a baby. All of these different things are up for negotiation with a eugenicist. And they will do it to everybody, won’t they? That’s right, Yep. Margaret Sanger called herself a eugenicist. And sometimes I get criticized for things I say about Sanger because some, some I think good hearted pro life people who just don’t know the history of kind of our civilization and the history of bad ideas in the last 120 years or so are like, really? Come on, Seth.

Like Hitler. Hitler, really? Are you saying that Sanger and Hitler were pen pals? No, I’m not saying that. I’m saying it’s almost that bad, actually. I’m saying it’s almost that bad. In 1927, the Supreme Court, our Supreme Court, the United States High Court, issued their Buck versus Bell decision. It was an 8:1 decision that upheld Virginia’s 1924 mandated sterilization law. And in an 8:1 decision, our Supreme Court said that the state can forcibly sterilize people that the elites define as unfit to reproduce as a threat to the gene pool, if you will. Margaret Sanger celebrated and endorsed that decision publicly when it was decided.

And the judge who wrote the opinion, whose name’s slipping me right now because I Haven’t had my coffee today. He summed up his majority opinion saying, three generations of imbeciles are enough. Okay, guess what? At the Nuremberg trials. That’s right, the Nuremberg trials, before we hung a bunch of Nazis. The Nazis cited our Buck versus Bell decision in their defense, David. As if to say, yeah, who are you to judge us? You Americans were doing eugenics first. Okay? And I have a study here because I know you’re a history buff. It’s called Eugenics and High School History I thought you’d find interesting.

Failure to Confront the Past by Thomas Cargill, and he’s at the Department of Economics at the University of Nevada at Reno. And what he did was he looked at the nine most commonly used history textbooks in public high schools in America, and he looked specifically on eugenics and some of the history of this stuff. All nine of the most commonly used history high school textbooks in public schools in America have virtually no mention of the Supreme Court decision Buck versus Bell, which is. I mean, which is like, up there with Dred Scott. I mean, like, in the next 10 years, over 70,000Americans were forcibly sterilized.

Like, let me make sure your listeners know what that means. They tied people down to tables and they. They tied the woman’s tubes or they snipped the dude and forcibly enforceable surgeries because the elite said, you. You. You don’t get to have kids. Okay? What. How is nine most commonly used history high school textbooks have no mention of Buck versus Bell? There was almost no mention of Margaret Sanger or the eugenics movement in the early 20th century in America, which. I mean, every. Every mainstream ecclesiastical institution in America in the early 20th century was on board with eugenics, okay? Like, including alleged conservatives.

People don’t understand how pernicious this was. It was the. Follow the science of the 1920s. They just believed that this was science. This was progress. This is what we have to do. And so Margaret Sanger wasn’t just part of the eugenics movement, David. She was the eugenics movement. She. She defined birth control not as a way to help poor minorities plan their parenthood. She. She defined birth control as a way to control the births of people she didn’t want reproducing. And here’s how she defined it. She said birth control is not contraception. Thoughtlessly and indiscriminately practiced birth control means the cultivation and release of the better racial elements in our society and the gradual suppression, elimination, and eventual extinction of defective stocks, those human weeds which threaten the blossoming of the finest flowers of American civilization.

End quote. A few Years later, in 1939, she launched the Negro Project. That’s what she called it. Her first board member was the exalted Cyclops of the Massachusetts kkk. His name was Lothrop Stoddard and he’s the only American to have had a one on one meeting with Adolf Hitler in Germany after he rose to power. He was invited by the Nazis to Germany and he met with Himmler and Joseph Goebbels and Fritz Sauckel and Robert Lay and Hitler himself. And he writes about in his book into the Darkness, Nazi Germany Today. That guy sat on Planned Parenthood’s board for years.

He was referred to as one of the spiritual fathers of Nazi Germany by Hans F. Gunther, who was a German race anthropologist and a high ranking member of sort of Hitler’s goons. And he helped influence a German court to reach a positive verdict in sterilizing certain Jews while he was in Germany. I could go on and on and on and on. How is it that the failure founding board member of Planned Parenthood who sat on there for I think like a couple decades as a board member was part of the KKK in Massachusetts, wrote a book called the Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.

Heinrich Himmler said that Stoddard’s two books provided for him the blueprint for what would become the Final Solution. Meaning that, yeah, the Nazis got the term subhuman not just from Lothrop’s thought or his other book was the Menace of the Underman Underman, translated into Untermansch by Alfred Rosenberg, Adolf Hitler’s chief racial theorist. So that not only did the Nazis get the term subhuman from Planned Parenthood, they also based the blueprint for the Final Solution off of Stoddard’s two books. Now your whole audience is like, this guy’s a kook. David, you had some weirdo on your. I would have known this if this was true.

There’s no. I have all the citations in the book, the 1916 Project. I’ll stop now. But it is that bad. We have been lied to about the history of progressive ideas for the last hundred or so years. And why? Because they’re connected in a direct line to today’s progressive revolutionary movement and today’s Democrat party. And if people knew the history of what we’re facing today in America and what it goes back to and who it goes back to and where those ideas came from, they would begin voting differently, they would begin living differently, and they would begin running from today’s.

Democrat Party, and that’s why they hide and bury this stuff. Yeah, and of course, that’s one side of it. You know, they draw from every political philosophy that as long as it’s totalitarian, like, they can pull in their woke stuff and their struggle sessions, they can pull that in from the communists, they can pull in the eugenics from the other people. But, yeah, it is a new profit center for Planned Parenthood, the sterilization of kids. Perhaps that’s one of the reasons why they don’t want to talk about the eugenics case specifically and about what happened, because it looks too much like what is going to be done to them throughout the schools.

And that is the key thing. But, you know, even beyond that, you know, we’re told as Christians not to fear those who can destroy the body as much as those who can destroy the soul. And that is really, I think, the focus of these programs that are being supported by Planned Parenthood and this larger agenda in the schools. Tell us a little bit about. You have this outreach and you’ve shown it at several hundred churches, you say 800 that have seen the documentary. Talk a little bit about it from a Christian perspective. And what you’re pointing out to the church is to try to wake them up to what is happening around them.

Yeah, there’s a lot. We’re trying to wake up the church, too. I mean, David, I believe that unless the church flatulent becomes the church militant, it will become the church irrelevant. And by militant, I don’t mean like, you know, go grab your AR15s right now. Although I am saving up for my next one. But what I mean is like, militant in righteousness, militant in fervor, militant for pure and undefiled religion in the public square. And so what we’re trying to wake the church up to is that this is not, quote unquote, political. Okay? It’s fundamentally spiritual and theological.

Now, is abortion political? Yes, of course it is, because there’s laws around it and we. And so it has a political aspect. Okay. These things manifest in the cultural and political realm, and we have to fight there, too. But is it fundamentally political? No, of course not. I mean, you go back to just a few decades ago, okay, like, let’s go several. Actually, let’s go to maybe the 50s. Well, it’s all downstream from spiritual, Right? You know, the culture is downstream from spiritual and the politics is downstream from that as well. Well, almost every Democrat in the Democrat party in the 50s and 60s was pro life.

You know, you just think about that. That’s kind of weird to think about. Right. And then, of course, you know, you go from safe, legal, and rare with Hillary Clinton to shout your abortions with Kamala pretty quickly. It’s like, wow, that happened fast. No, it didn’t happen fast. Things happen gradually, then suddenly, just like bankruptcy. Okay. They brew, and then one day the dam breaks open. Right? And then like a drag queen hits you in the face and you’re like, oh, drag queen story hour happened really fast. It’s like, well, no, it actually didn’t. Okay. There were a lot of cracks on the dam up there in different places.

You just didn’t recognize it. Christian. And then one day there were too many cracks and it just couldn’t hold. And the whole thing came. And then we go, wow, what happened to America? It was like, well, okay, you want to know the answer? Rick Warren, you were doing your cute little gospel so you could be invited to Davos by Klaus Schwab at the World Economic Forum every year. Yeah. By the way, there’s a reason why Rick Warren’s invited to Davos every year, and Jack Hibbs and Eric Metaxas are not. But anyways, because the former are hirelings and the latter can’t be bought.

But we have a church in America who cares far more about accolades and attaboys and seal clap from their congregations and not losing the ties of the registered Democrats in their congregation that they refuse to call to Repentance for Voting for Child Sacrifice Party. And they’re actually not interested in sacrificing on behalf of the unborn, the family, the cause of liberty, the things that God actually cares the most about. Like how heavy is a millstone? Exactly, David. How heavy is a millstone? I mean, like, if you cause them to stumble, you should go drown yourself. What about if you tear their limbs off and cut their penis off? Okay, as a minor, yes, that has happened in America.

They say we’re conspiracy theorists. Right? They say that’s not happening. No. No minor has had genital surgery. No, they have. Okay. Like that. That is so demonic, there are no words for it. So all human conflict is ultimately theological. To quote Cardinal Henry Edward Manning, and to paraphrase you, all human conflict is ultimately theological. And so we’re trying to wake up the church to see that this. This is our duty. This is our. When you talk about babies, procreation, marriage, man, woman, gender, babies, next generation, parents, parenting. That’s our territory as the church. That’s what the church, for centuries in antiquity, has led on.

And now they’ve politicized everything that was fundamentally familial, spiritual and theological and said it’s political, so shut up. Johnson Amendment. Separation of church and state. We’re going to take your 501 status. Okay, then take it. I don’t care anymore. Take my 501c3 status. And pastors need to be willing to give that over if it means preaching the gospel and standing as a bulwark between evil and the next generation. If something doesn’t change soon in America, David, I don’t think we get the republic back. Are you aware of a civilization, David, that initially adopted the fruits of biblical faith and imbibed Christianity and then abandoned it for sexual libertinism and chaos and then found their way back to the fruits of Christendom? I’m not.

I’m not aware of a civilization that went from Christ to chaos and back to Christ again. When civilizations go down the route that we’re going down right now in America historically, they don’t find their way back. They lose their civilization or they’re taken over by pagan hordes. Okay, like what’s the average lifespan of a civilization? 250 years. Right. If I’m doing my math right, we’re less than two years away from that. Yeah. Okay. So unless the church wakes up and gives God a reason to show America mercy by participating in Christian resistance, which could mean yes, outside of abortion centers, pleading with moms to choose life, having hundreds of believers at school board meetings to primary every single one of those groomer school board members who push gender theory and Planned Parenthood’s pornographic curriculum onto minors and primary them and replace them with spirit filled men and women.

There’s so many things we can be doing as a church to bring about cultural transformation, but it starts with the pulpits. It starts with the church. If pastors would preach the full counsel of God, apply the word of God to all the insanity that we’re seeing, that’s called discipleship, Christians would begin voting. You know this. We’re the largest and weakest voting bloc in America. Largest and weakest voting bloc in America simultaneously, somehow, because Christians are so pious and self righteous or they’re progressive and they just don’t show up and vote. And so what’s going to happen in the next few hours and in the next few weeks, depending on how long it takes to count votes, this time is going to be on the church.

And so what we’re doing with the film and with the White Rose resistance, David, as we’re just trying to plead with the church. Look at how evil this agenda is. I’m not asking you to wear a MAGA hat. I’m asking you to adopt the mantle of Christian resistance that your forefathers lived and died according to before it’s too late. And I think we need to understand on this election day that going into a ballot box and checking a box, that’s not done, right. You’re not done with that. The real hard work is in each and every one of our individual lives.

As your parents home schooled you, as we homeschooled our kids, if you against this, be a leader, take the lead and take the lead of your family and lead your family away from this corrupt institution. That’s the key thing. Christians need to understand that. We’ve had this conversation. I’ve had this all my life with people, it seems like, but certainly for the last 35 years I would talk to people and try to tell them what had happened in school and say this is not the school that you went to, it’s completely different. You don’t. Well, yeah, I know that, I’ve seen the reports.

But you know, that’s happening in another state or it’s happening in another school district or whatever. But, but even if it’s happening in my school, not in my kids classroom, well, in 2020 they got to see that it was happening in their kids classroom. And so now there’s no excuse. We know. And that’s what the Christians need to say. So now what are you going to do about it? Now that you know what this institution is, what are you going to do about it? First get your kid out. And then if we get enough of us, we can shut down that institution and we can restructure and build it from the ground up.

I mean these people want a great reset. Let’s do a great reset of families, let’s do a great reset of education. That’s what we need to have a great reset of. Our institutions have been completely taken over by the Marxists. They wanted to march through them and they did. They did. They’ve got it. Now. Talk a little bit about. You know, one of the things I look at when I look at Margaret Sanger and her eugenics and everything, also think about another strain that was very popular and I think it’s coming back in a big way with the people out of Silicon Valley and that’s the technocracy.

And of course you know that that just melds right in with this whole eugenics thing. Do you see anything coming through with that? This kind of this mania. Yeah, we’re all gonna. We’re gonna. The smartest people, the best. You know, we can. We can go in the other way from dei, Right. It’s very easy for us to swing the pendulum too far in one way and then go back in the other way. So it seems to me like it’d be very. We’re very vulnerable at this point after they’ve run this DEI thing for us to go hyper on the competency thing into a eugenics, a technocratic eugenics type of thing.

I don’t know. That’s just my thought. What do you think about that? Well, I mean, you know, it’s interesting seeing the ideas that are originally fringe and mocked at that, then become popular really fast. Yeah, I mean, I’m sure you’ve seen this. You know, you’ve seen more cultural decay just because you’re older than me. You see how quickly a bad idea can become really bad and really popular. It’s like, what are we doing? Why are you believing this? And so. So there is a movement right now on the Technocrat. I just call them all gay communists, but it’s probably not very Christian of me in Silicon Valley.

And those master world planner billionaire betters of ours that want to create. Now, wait for this phrase. The Ubermensch. Yeah, so not the Untermenschen, which again was. Let me say this again for your listeners, was a phrase that the Nazis got from Planned Parenthood, their first board member, meaning subhuman. And the title of Heinrich Himmler’s famous Nazi propaganda book, Der Unterbensch, which, by the way, I just found an original copy online. I just bought it. There. You don’t see these really anymore because they’re trying to bury it. Well, now, the flip side of that would be uber.

Now you’re on a list. Yeah, I know. I guess the way to describe this historically would have been positive and negative eugenics. Right. So negative eugenics would be like sterilize the people we don’t want having kids. Positive eugenics would be encourage the fit and the strong to have lots of kids. And so positive eugenics is also quite nasty, but it doesn’t always result in obliterating the week. But guess what? It will always go there eventually. Okay, this is the Promethean impulse that pagans have when they believe what the serpent said in Genesis 3. Ye shall be as gods and live forever.

Right. We’re going to transfer over to a robot. Yeah, that’s right. That’s good, David. Exactly. That Promethean impulse goes all the way back to the garden. And so now we’re seeing a lot of conversations, articles being written about this, attempts to do things like this, even. Even with Elon Musk and others. Actually, as much respect as I have for him with these ner. With these chips in our brains, with. With expanding our brain capacity. Oh, nothing to worry about with that. Yeah, yeah. With attaching, like, you know, different robotic improvements to human beings. I mean, there’s a lot of things that they want to do to create, like, this super human race.

And you know what’s going to inevitably happen if we go that way and that stuff becomes popular is that if we do create an elevated. Well, obviously not different species. We’re the same species, but an elevated class or way to be human and way to practice being human. The poorer and the weaker who cannot afford or get their hands on such advancements in technology will eventually be dominated by the stronger human. That’s right. And if you think that’s, like, conspiratorial and you’re listening to David and I right now, you’re an idiot who doesn’t know your history.

It goes back to Plato Wanted to do that. You go like, look at Brave New World, Aldous Huxley selling that idea. I mean, they always want to stratify society with themselves on the top. And that brings back to. I want to go back because I meant to ask you this earlier. Margaret Sanger, how in the world did she get the way she was? What was her origin story of this monster? Yeah, I’ll give a flyover, because you can go really deep on that. So you should go to the1916project.com and get my book. The subtitle, David, is the Lying the Witch and the Witch War.

We’re in. The lying the witch in the war. We’re in. Yeah, but not the. Not a lion that roars, but L Y I N. The lying. Yeah, and say. I mean, okay, so Sanger was a communist. She was part of the New York labor movement. She was a serial adulterer. She was one of the first mothers of the Free Love movement. She wanted to free the libido and free women from the consequences of that libido by limiting birth. I’m surprised she didn’t run for president like our current candidate. Well, Kamala Harris really was the first Margaret Sanger.

She, too, slept her way up the levers of power. That’s right. And that’s a hilarious story. It’s sick, but it’s hilarious. Anyways, I just saw a video of Kamala’s husband at her campaign rally yesterday. Oh, my gosh, David. These jokes write themselves. And he goes, you know what Kamala does? She puts her head down and she goes to work. And I’m sorry, I was just like, her husband saying that at his own wife’s rally was just hilarious. Anyway, that was Margaret Sanger too, okay? And she was living in Greenwich Village in 1914, which is, by the way, the same place that the Stonewall movement and the homosexual movement was birthed.

It’s the same place that Kate Millet, with her book Sexual Politics, hosted these Maoist consciousness raising, liturgical struggle sessions about how to destroy the patriarchy, right? And they would say, they would chant like, how do we destroy the patriarch by taking away his power? And how do we take away his power by destroying monogamy? And how do we destroy monogamy by promoting licentiousness, eroticism, pornography, homosexuality and abortion. Like, it’s like, by the way, that story comes from Mallory Millet, who became a conservative Catholic, whose sister, Kate Millet was one of the most prominent Second wave feminists, whose work really provided the creation for women’s studies and feminist studies programs at American universities.

Anyways, I don’t know why everything bad comes from Greenwich Village. I don’t know what it is about that. But anyway, that’s where Sanger’s living in Greenwich Village in 1914. Okay, David. And she’s. She starts attending these kind of leftist revolutionary think tank gatherings with lots of alcohol. And this was hosted at Mabel Dodge’s apartment where she held sort of a French styled salon and gatherings. And Sanger’s topic was always sex. And it’s interesting reading some of the people who were there writing about Sanger later. And Mabel Dodge said, who hosted these gatherings in her apartment said Sanger’s topic was always sex.

She said, she said it was almost as if she was chosen by the powers that be to be a new gospel and a new voice for the rehabilitation of sex. And she said that this was taboo back then. Talking about Sanger, her friend Sanger, she said, like. Because, like, no one talked about that stuff then, you know, like, she’s just a little bit ahead of her time. She could have been a movie studio. Yeah, exactly. Like free love and adultery and like orgasms without responsibility. Like, whoa, that’s super taboo. But that’s what Sanger was about. And so, I mean, I believe that a lot of this is demonic influence, by the way, which is important to talk about.

And so. And then Sanger really gets radicalized and she becomes fast friends with Emma Goldman, who was another of the heroes of the Second Wave, feminists like Kate Millet and Gloria Steinem and others. And Emma Goldman was an anarchist and communist who had come to Greenwich Village to begin raising up sort of, you know, a generation of new disciples. They. Have you noticed this about the left guys? They’re very good at secular discipleship. They’re often better than we are to disciple the next generation to be salt and light and ambassadors for Christ. So, anyway, you asked me, how did she become who she was? So this is really, really interesting.

Sanger starts spreading her leaflets, pamphlets on sex and free love and illegal forms of douches and contraceptives that were, like, not just illegal, but dangerous. And she starts sending these in the mail. I have one of them that actually got her indicted behind me in my. In my cabinet. And I buy this stuff before they’re gone forever. And so she gets in trouble with the Comstock Laws. These are the anti obscenity laws of the time, by the way. We still have many anti obscenity laws on the books. They’re just never enforced because of how sick our culture is.

And so rather than get arrested, guess what Sanger does? Here’s how. Here’s how the mother of abortion is the patron saint of feminism. Gets her beginning. She flees to England. She has her socialist friends raise her kids, and she has them forge her a passport. And she flees to England to avoid being arrested by New York State authorities. Wow. She spends 18 months being the first Kamala Harris and sleeping her way up the levers of influence in England. She’s H.G. wells who wrote War of the Worlds. Yep. Jumped in his bed, many other beds. And then she meets a man who she would refer to as.

As basically her biggest influence of her life. She talks about him, this man, this way, in her writings, which I have the unfortunate job description of having to read so you don’t have to. His name was Havelock Ellis. He was the Alfred Kinsey of England. He wrote over 100 books on every weird form of sexually titillating, experimental activities. He himself was impotent, so he was always trying to find new ways to get excited. That’s the PG13 version. He hosted orgies in his home and he would force his wife to watch him as he participated in these entanglements with both men and women.

He liked to experiment with hallucinogens during orgies. And he begins an affair with Margaret Sanger. Havelock Ellis was one of the fathers of the free love movement. He was A predecessor even to Kinsey. Okay. And he begins to write about his sexual adulterous affairs with Margaret Sanger in letters that he forces his wife to read. Wow. And drives his wife insane. So a real peach. Wow. And he begins to coach Sanger to prepare for her journey back to New York City. He told her to focus on the more scientific sounding themes of eugenics and birth control and less on her revolutionary sounding themes of communism and anarchism.

He coached her to be more effective. Well, here’s where it gets interesting. If this was Sanger’s most influential political and sexual mentor, okay. They remained pen pals until his death. She went back to England multiple times to see Havelock Ellis, and he became a very popular guest writer in her magazine, the Birth Control Review, which was planned parent his publication for decades. Guess who he was disciple by. Guess who Havelock Ellis mentor was. Who’s that? Francis Galton. Who coined, who coined this word? He coined a word. It was. It was eugenics. Francis Galton coined the term eugenics.

He’s the father of the eugenics movement. He, he. Havelock Ellis was his protege. Okay, well, Francis Galton was inspired by his cousin’s book. Book Origin of Species and the Preservation of the Favored Races. That’s right, by Charles Darwin. That would be the half cousin of Francis Galton. So not only did we go from Darwinism, survival of the fittest, to eugenics, elimination of the unfit, not only did we go from one to the other really quickly, David, but it happened within the same family. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. So by the way, Darwin was really fascinated and inspired by Thomas Malthus, who was an English clergyman, who at the end of the 1700s, when America was 20 years old, begins to write about a population bomb and how way before Paul Ehrlich’s 1968 book about how population growth, food production, can’t keep up with population growth.

So eventually we’re going to have massive starvation unless you obliterate the weak and the poor and the dying and the diseased. And so Darwin read Malthus’s writing writings, Galton read Darwin’s writings, Havelock Ellis read Galton’s writings, and Sanger was mentored by Havelock Ellis. So literally, from one person to the other, all who knew the other, we went from too many people on planet Earth to survival of the fittest. And then of course, Darwin’s other book, the Descent of Man, which is like overtly eugenic, like Origin of Species is like animal stuff. And then in Descent of Man, he just Says like, well, let’s just apply that to human population.

Okay. And then, and then Galton who says, oh, thanks cuz, I love your book. Let’s obliterate human unfit people who mentor sexual weirdo Kinsey like England have like Ellis orgy hosting dude who becomes Sanger’s number one political and sexual mentor. So we went from survival of the fittest to obliterate the unfit to sexual chaos and orgies to child sacrifice awfully quickly, didn’t we? What am I trying to say? Ideology is a hell of a drama drug and ideas have consequences and bad ideas have victims. So that’s a little bit for your. What a fascinating story. I don’t Sanger become.

It’s fascinating and it reminds me of what you see when the Dickens novels all the time, right? Everybody’s related to everybody else and ideologically they’re all related to each other. And I think there’s some kind of generational demonic thing going on here as well. But it is interesting, you know, to see how what a tight clique that was and where all these ideas are coming from. Almost like it’s a cabal or like they planned it. That’s right. We see all these different streams that many people will think of as being separate and independently coming, but we see they had a common origin and they’re now converging together in our society at the same time, aren’t they? It’s amazing.

Very well said. Wow. It truly is amazing. I’m sure that’s a fascinating film. The1916project.com now people can see the trailer there. Is it online? How do you have this? Yeah, the trailer’s on our website, but we released the film right before the election for free on Twitter now called X. And so the Spanish version has over seven million views. The English version has over two million views or two and a half million. So if you go to the1916project.com pick up the book, the book will rip your face off. It will red pill you. It will holy spirit, pill you.

You ain’t never read a book like this. And the book goes way deeper than the film, by the way, David. So it’s not just like a replica, it’s like way more information that I wanted to put in the film, but I didn’t have the space for sure. And then as soon as you go to the website, a window pops up, it says, watch the film. And so it’ll take you straight to our Twitter, our X account, our 1916 project film, X account. And you can watch the whole film there, but it’s only up until November 13th.

And then we’re going to pull it off of X and then in short order we’ll get it to various streaming platforms. But we wanted to take it to the largest and freest social media platform in the world right now, thanks to Elon Musk buying it. That’s where we decided to release it initially. That’s where you can watch it right now. And then our ministry, the White Rose Resistance, we made the film. Our donors paid to get this film done. We traveled to Munich, Nashville, Houston, Los Angeles, New York City. It’s a fascinating, it’s a beautiful film.

Like just aesthetically like I have an incredible producer and team. It’s beautiful. We put the pieces together. We did the old Glenn Beck chalkboard style where you connect all the dots and this goes to this and this goes to this and we did that. The book, if you get it from us, our website comes with a timeline in the book that’s a replica of the chalkboard scene in the film, of all the dates and people and how all this insanity called the 21st century happened by left wing weirdos, architects of the culture of death. And so we’re really trying to teach people that ideas have consequences and bad ideas have victims and that all of this is fundamentally theological and spiritual.

And it’s time for the church to wake up. And so we launch resistance chapters with my ministry, the White Rose Resistance, all around the country. We’ve launched in Boise, Fort Worth, Denver, Southern California, Florida, and now we’re planning a bunch of launches for next year. And then we hire regional leadership, we do trainings and we show believers what Christian resistance resistance looks like locally where God has them. Meaning. We’re in such a mess in the culture, David, we can’t vote our way out of it. That’s right. We can vote to restrain evil. Of course we can vote to restrain evil insofar as we can, given the choices.

But like it’s going to take like a rebirth of Christians sacrificing and rebuilding a culture of life which starts in your own home first, by the way. That’s right. And it starts by not being ashamed and not being silenced. And you notice that the line of attack, especially social media and everything, is to get people to self center and to get people to be, to sit down and to be ashamed and not to say anything. And we have to first of all get over that. We’ll absolutely be totally worthless. I think it’s interesting that you had so Many more Hispanic views, 7 million than you did of English speaking documentary, 2 million.

Why do you think that is? People that I’ve known that are Hispanic, they have a lot more conservative families than the English. Do you think that’s what’s happening with it or is it just the way it went out? I think that might be it. I’m still trying to figure that out. I didn’t expect it to do quite so well actually on the Spanish version, but I’m very pleased that it is because those would be historically, if you want to look at the history of eugenics, minorities would historically be some of the classes that Sanger and her ilk would have focused a lot of their clinics on.

And the vast majority of abortion clinics today are located within walking distance. A majority black and Hispanic neighbor neighborhoods. So anyways, but I like what you said, David, about self censorship. That’s one of the final actually strategies is that you don’t even have to use the threat of cancel culture or big government or big tech to silence your political opponents because they become cowards and they’re afraid to speak and so they self censor. Theodore Dalrymple has this really interesting observation about this. This might be a fun thing to finish on. He says, in my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate.

And therefore the less it corresponded to reality, the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse, when they are forced to repeat those lies themselves, themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of integrity. Yes, to ascent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. Your standing to resist anything is thus eroded and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. If you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to. Yes, that’s so true.

I’ve told people so many times, read communism again. That’s right. Solzhenitsyn was fully on that in his essay. Short essay won’t take you very long. You can read it out loud in five minutes. But his essay live not by Lies. And that was the thing he said. He said, look, I understand if they’re going to kick you out of your job, your home and all the rest of stuff. He goes, you know, maybe you say to yourself, well, I’m going to go along with this. He goes, but don’t believe it. And that’s what Orwell was into.

I Understood. You know, do not believe that two plus two equals five. If they get you to actually believe that and double think what you and to say and to literally go along with what you know is not true and really internalize that and believe it and live by that, that’s the ultimate heresy of heresies. That’s right. That’s right. Their goal is to control you. Their control. I mean that’s why they have the struggle sessions where they do the self denouncement. But of course we see that now you got to be an anti racist and all the rest of this stuff.

It’s all a replay of these strategies that have been perfected by them. And so I think it is key. We don’t want to be necessarily combative, but we also know that because Jesus said, you know, they’re going to hate you. If you, if you follow me, we know that’s going to be there. But we don’t try to create conflict. We want to give people the truth, but we want to have both truth and mercy bound around our neck. And so we want to do it in a merciful way, in a non confrontational way. But we have to not be afraid of that confrontation and we have to not be afraid of getting our feelings hurt or hurting somebody else.

We don’t try to do that, but we have. The key thing is that we have to not be intimidated and that’s what they really do seek to do. So very important. I’m so glad to see your. It’s fascinating the history that you’ve gotten. As you point out, you got the book there at the1916project.com get a lot more information than is even in the documentary. The documentary for a couple more weeks, weeks is free on Twitter and you have set up a package to help churches to disciple people, to get them to understand the times in which they live and what the battle is about and what the sides, which side is, you know, what the issues are and where they need to be on these issues to think about them.

And I think that is the key thing I’ve told people in this election. We need to not focus so much on who is right as on what is right. And so that’s a very key thing to get those principles down to people. That is something that the church definitely has a role in, to show what is right. That is very, very important. So thank you so much, Seth Gruber. It’s been fascinating to talk to you and I’m sure it’s a fascinating book and a documentary. I Haven’t seen it yet, but I will do it as soon as I get some time.

Yeah, let me know when you watch it. The 1916 project.com that links to our White Rose Resistance Ministry website as well for people that want to join. We’re doing an event in D.C. on January 23, the day before the march for life called Life or Death Con, with Eric Metaxas, Ali Bestucky, Dr. George Grant, Nancy Pearcey, some other incredible voices. So people are invited to come join us at any of our live events, subscribe to my podcast, the Seth Gruber show, and then pick up the book and you can host a screening at your church. So if you don’t, if you see it on X and you’re like, I gotta bring this to my pastor in church, churches are hosting screenings still.

And so those are some of the ways you can engage with what we’re doing. But David, thank you for your clarity and your voice and I enjoyed talking with you today. Thank you so much. And you got a podcast, too. That’s great. The Seth Gruber Show. Thank you so much. All right, folks, we’re going to be right back. Stay with us. The David Knight show is a critical thinking super spread. If you’ve been exposed to logic by listening to the David Knight show, please do your part and try not to spread it. Financial support or simply telling others about the show causes this dangerous information to spread.

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