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All right, folks, welcome to Nino’s Corner tv. I’m joined with David. David with San Joaquin Valley transparency, auditing the police. Yep, we’re talking about it again today because I think it’s one of the most important factors to this movement, really showing that people do have the power to make a difference. And that’s the only reason I bring David on and we talk about this stuff. And plus, I’ve been arrested enough times to know a lot of them are just bullies with badges.
Okay. Just being, you know, just recently we saw Mickey Clan. I just had her on my rumble. Just serve the Maricopa board members with a lawsuit and they hightailed it out of the building with their tail between their legs, Dave. And I mean, it was just really profound to see that we do have the power, but you have to have the balls and backbone to really step up and claim your power.
I mean, that’s what the constitution is all about. That’s what this country is all about. They work for us, the police work for us. The city representatives work for the people. And it’s just about knowing your rights, knowing the constitution and enforcing it. Correct, Dave? Right. Yeah, no doubt. Knowing your rights is an empowerment for me, I guess auditing the police, that’s why I put transparency in my channel name, because I didn’t want to come across as being anti cop.
I was kind of on the fence of trying to figure out whether I’m a statist or a voluntarist, try to understand what’s going on. And I woke up and seen that the police in Kern county, where I live, were number one for police justified killings. So I decided to pick up a camera, start recording the police here in hopes of them maybe thinking that somebody’s recording at all times.
Even if I wasn’t there, I wanted them to think that I was there. So I started kind of approaching this. And I’m not going to lie, I made a lot of mistakes along the way. I said some things that I maybe shouldn’t have. I’m not proud of some of my first videos, but I tried to clean up my act along the way, try to realize that I didn’t want my approach to be so much being anti police because I wasn’t anti police.
I tried to understand certain things about policing. First and foremost, I try to weigh out road piracy versus detective work. How many unsolved crimes are out there? Do we really need to hire a whole bunch of police out there? Like just giving infractions tickets to people for infractions tax collectors. Tax collectors. Let’s call it what it is. Yeah. And. Exactly. And then you turn on the tv and you watch an episode of Cold Case files.
You can’t watch one episode of Cold Case files without seeing a family member or a friend saying that the cops screwed up the investigation or something like that. And it’s just like, what are we paying for? Are we paying for cops to go out there and generate revenue for the state, county, or are we paying for cops to actually solve crimes? And it just makes you wonder what exactly is happening out there? And I’m totally on board with this because our first line of defense.
I’ve had sheriff Mack on. I’ve had the sheriffs on, and I just saw recently that the event if. When, let’s say when an event happens on our soil, on american soil, due to these southern borders being open, the southern border being wide open, our first line of defense are the police. Right? But it’s really the sheriffs. And they just went to DC, Washington, DC, to be briefed by the FBI, which rose a huge red flag for me because I was like, all right, okay, now you’re taking orders from the FBI.
So we got to really get on top of this. So I’ve had a few sheriffs, Sheriff Mack being one of them, another sheriff on talking about this. And the truth is, people really need to understand their rights, really need to know who’s in power, understand how the system of government works. And we got to start there. We got to start at a grassroots level. And I think when people just blindly come out and say, you’re crazy, I backed up blow.
I backed up blow. It’s like, okay, that’s fine. I do, too. I back the know, and there’s a lot of good guys in a bad system, but I back the police if they’re doing the right thing, if they’re working for the people. My family is entirely police officers. I have FBI agents in my family. I have a best friend that I just saw yesterday that works for the FBI.
I won’t say his name came over. We had dinner. He works for the FBI. And I have friends that. My uncle was the chief of police. My uncle was the chief of police in El Paso, Bill Rodriguez. I have cousins that are cops. Everything. I’m not against the police, but I’m against people that abuse their power and don’t know the constitution and our rights. You bring up a good point, and I want to add to that something that not really many people are talking about right now.
And you see some of the things that I see, because I’ve been doing this for so long, I see some of these things and patterns. For one, cops have umbrellas of protection to protect them from some of the things that they do. Qualified immunity, internal investigations, police unions. Keep in mind that right now it’s being proposed that they would like to give cops absolute immunity to be immune from lawsuits and stuff like that.
Let me ask you, is that something that wants to enforce? Yeah, and that’s what scares me. That scares me too, man. I’ve always said watch this pendulum, it goes far left. And I know we need to do a cleanup. I understand that, but I am not about to give the police all this, right. And because of you mentioned the open borders now I want to say that they have implemented policies and stuff in California and it’s going to be in other states as well along the way where you don’t even have to be a citizen or someone from this country.
You could be undocumented and actually get a job as a police officer. So here we have problems. We have this whole thing about the border going on. We’re letting people come in and stuff like that. But then we want to give jobs to some of those people to become cops. Let’s think about that. What is that going to do to our country? We already have a lot of problems anyways and we’re going to let.
That’s by design. This is definitely by design. This is engineered. I think we can agree on that, right? Yeah, absolutely. Without having to get into it on fluff tube, right? For one, they’re not training police in our natural rights. They’re training cops in two things and that’s brute force and compliance and they throw them out on the streets. And in reality it’s the supervisors, it’s the academies, it’s the political parasites who are allowing this to happen.
Cops don’t have to have a whole bunch of training in order to get a cop. Right now. As a matter of fact, in many areas they’re having problems hiring cops. Not very many people want to become cops these days. I mean you’re going into a profession that a lot of people don’t trust you anymore, they hate you, they’re mad at you and a lot of reasons. We’ve all heard this.
Well, if you want to change things, why don’t you become a cop? You could change things from the inside. But then recently we saw a video of a cop who was escalating, grabbed the woman, slammed her son’s face into a cactus, and the woman got in front of the cop and he started being aggressive with her. Well, a female cop came and tried to stop him, and she was like, hey, stop.
And he told her to not get involved. And the supervisor came in and told her to leave. She was suspended. So these types of things happen over and over again. Let’s say you want to become a cop and you want to be a good cop, but then you have a bad cop over here doing something. Police departments actually have policies that other cops are not supposed to say anything that discredits the department and stuff like that.
So there’s policies for cops to turn a blind eye for when other cops are doing something. And it just goes to show that are cops really here in the interests of the people? Like I said, you want to give cops absolute immunity, and it makes no sense to do that in the direction that we’re going. And like I said, it makes absolutely no sense. No, I was going to say there’s one way I can relate to cops.
I used to be a bouncer when I was like 1920 years old, 21 years old. I bounced at clubs and threw people out on their heads. All the bouncers that worked there, there’s so many lawsuits that got thrown on that club. But when you’re dealing with drunk and aggressive people, sometimes you can’t just be nice. They don’t understand that language. They just don’t. And they’ll come at you, start throwing fisticuffs at you and you have to throw back.
You have to be aggressive, and sometimes you have to be aggressive right out of the gate. And that being said, I can understand some of the psychology of the cops because they’re like, man, I can’t play. I can’t play with people no more. I worked at a rehabilitation center when I was 21, and when I got there, I was horrified because the kids that were there were doing such heinous.
I’m talking evil acts, like just doing kicking the teachers. And, dude, teachers would grab them and restrain them and throw them down on the ground. I was like, wow, that’s abuse. You’re abusing that kid. Within two weeks of working there, actually, within a week, I was starting to get, like, towards the kids because I couldn’t handle them anymore. They were so mischievous, and you give them an inch, they took a mile.
I mean, these kids were bad, bad kids, foster care kids been bounced out of homes and they don’t give a shit anymore, right? So they were taking advantage of the teachers, the staff, everybody. And after a while, you become a person that you never thought you would become. Because you’re dealing with scumbags, right? Even these kids. I started becoming that person, so I stopped. I quit. I said, I’m done.
I don’t want to do this anymore. I’m out of here. So that being said, I have a place in my heart where I understand some of these cops. I get it, dude. It’s a tough racket. You’re dealing with really bad people on a daily basis, so they just blow a gasket and they’re only human. But with that being said, if you’re going to stay a cop and be a cop, you’ve got to figure out a way to balance it out, man.
You cannot. Am I right? You just quit, dude. Just quit. If you’re starting to lash out on people and abuse your power, just quit. Do yourself a favor, be a good human being and quit the force. But if you have a level head and you’re able to balance things out and understand an altercation or understand what you need to do in a certain situation, it’s like boxing. It took me ten years to become a great boxer because I had to understand how to be calm during conflict, right? And then that’s what made me a good fighter.
If you can’t adapt those principles, if you can’t learn to be a good fighter, if you can’t learn to be common under pressure, get out. If it’s ruining your life, if you’re becoming an asshole, get out. Just get out. Do you agree? Yeah. Good example of what you’re saying. When my mom was sick, she passed away of cancer in 2014. Thank you. A year before that, she was in the hospital.
We had to go. Me and my sister were taking turns trying to help her and take care of her. My mom was complaining about one of the nurses being really rude to her, and my mom mentioned that the nurse had left the room and told another nurse that she was probably on drugs. That hurt my mom’s feelings. And I went in there and I was pissed. I went to go complain to the supervisors and I asked them why they were looking at my mom like, if she was on drugs.
My mom didn’t even drink alcohol or smoke a cigarette. She wasn’t on drugs in any kind of drug. And so it made me realize that a lot of times we get into these professions and we begin to get callous towards people. And same thing with cops, when they get the job and they deal with enough shitty people, they begin to think that everybody is just shitty. First of all, they’re trained in brute force and compliance.
They’re trained to fear everybody, even an 80 year old woman, and everybody could be dangerous. Possible threat. And cops are supposed to go out and have a threat assessment. Once they have that threat assessment, they’re supposed to realize and understand, is this person a threat? Do we have to escalate it? Should we de escalate? Many video after video, we keep seeing cops arriving on scene, very aggressive, bad attitudes.
I’d like to mention that there’s channels out there. Like, for instance, donut operator. I always wondered why donut operator stayed away from the types of videos where cops do bad things. He always puts the cops in a good light. Cops did this. Cops did that. Great. Cops did their job. They did what we paid them to do. That’s fine. They did a good job. I have discussions with my little brother who went into the academy, and he was going to become a cop, and he still has that whole mentality of he’s not sure about exactly what I do, if he agrees with it and stuff.
So we have really good conversations, and like I said, it’s just, could we offer police something where they begin to have this type of mentality, this feeling, give them some type of retraining or some time off, know, put them in a different position when they’re not out there dealing with suggestion. I have a suggestion. Have them get in a tough man contest. They used to have that here in El Paso and all around the southwest.
They used to have the firemen versus police officers, and they would train to fight each other. Man, do that, that should pick up again. Promoters should take that and run with it because want to get your aggressiveness out, dude. Fight each other. And you know what happens? Majority of them, from what I’ve seen, they’re asshole puckers up and they don’t want to do it. They start training like rocky, and then three days before the fight, oh, they’re sick.
They got a flu. They can’t know. It’s funny how people react under pressure, but that used to be a big thing in this area. I think it was badges and hoses and badges or badges and hoses or something like that. And I think that’s what they should do again, bro. Yeah, no doubt. Remember, shout out butterbean, bro. Have you seen him? Yeah, recently. I’ve seen that video recently, but, yeah, that’s the first time I seen Butterbean was on that tough man competition.
He beat Mike the hammer. I think it was, bro. I took him to Juarez. Oh, really? We took him to the mariscal area. All the whorehouses and shit around here. Oh, my God. I can’t believe this. And we ditched him and dodged him and made him look like he felt like he thought he was alone on the street, bro, in the middle of. Anyway, side note. All right, let’s get back to the story.
Let’s get back to what we’re talking about. Yeah, man. So first amendment auditing and auditing has gone global. It’s spread out like wildfire throughout the United States. There’s auditing channels in the UK. Shout out to you guys out there. Auditing Britain, true north transparency. You guys out in the UK. Then we have channels in Canada. Actually, true north transparency is in Canada. So there’s channels in Canada, Australia, the United States.
From sea to shiny sea, auditing has gone global. It’s massive. And I think it’s because people understand that government needs to be held accountable. All walks of life are involved in auditing. Doesn’t matter if you’re black or white, red or blue, gay or straight, man or woman, young or old, pretty or ugly. Once we know our rights, it’s an empowerment. This is an absolute empowerment. When we as a people collectively know our rights, it limits the scope of authority that cops and government has over we the people.
That’s why it’s important to know our rights. My channel specifically isn’t to bash cops or isn’t to call people stupid for not knowing your rights. This is so that we can all have an understanding, so that we can learn our rights and have an empowerment along the way. And once you become empowered, once you know your rights, you’ll begin to respect other people’s rights, even if you don’t agree with them, as long as they’re not breaking the law, not committing any, not creating victims along their way.
First of, there’s cops have no duty to protect the people. That’s true. Uvalde, Texas, is the biggest example of that. Cops didn’t go in there. They didn’t save the people. We have case law like the Shaney v. Winnebago, Castle Rock v. Gonzalez. So if the cops have no duty to protect you, why are they given the assignment to go out and ticket you for not wearing a seatbelt? They’re doing it for your safety.
Right. But yet they don’t have no duty to protect you. These are some of the things that I think really need to be talked about and looked on and shown. A lot of these things look like isolated incidents. So it’s really hard to understand what’s going on. In policing. But once, like, for instance, I have been doing this for a long time. I started going out recording police.
Then I started helping smaller channels grow, highlighting videos, highlighting incidents. Since my channel started, we’ve had six chiefs of police step down. Either they resigned or got six different police chiefs because of my channel after, not because of my channel, because of their incident. All we did was highlight the videos. And the difference between. You put them on blast, we put them on blast. I think the difference between our channels and mainstream media or mainstream news is we put the information of the departments, we put the Facebook links, we put the phone numbers, the addresses.
So people tend to want to go and hold their government accountable. Part of the first amendment is to redress your government with your grievances. And so I think our channels, that’s what sets us apart from mainstream channels that highlight these types of things, is the viewers, you guys out there that are watching these channels, that are watching us, that understand what we’re doing, that see the benefit of it, because it benefits everybody in this country.
For all of us to know our rights and to hold government accountable. It benefits absolutely everyone. So I don’t see the bad. And we do a lot of stupid stuff in this community. We have a lot of people doing dumb shit, including myself. I’m not trying to bash nobody. I’ve done a lot of dumb stuff myself along the way. What’s your thoughts on some of these channels? One of the channels that I think is pretty aggressive is Chili’s.
And Chili’s my friend. But, I mean, I’m like, dude, you got to, like. He’s like, no, I’m going all know, what do you think of some of these channels that are kind of abusive right out of the gate, and they start degrading the cops, like, right out of the gate. I understand the frustration. Trust me. I get it. I totally get it. I do. But I think that puts the auditors in a bad light, man.
I think that can kind of shine a bad light on the auditors. Everyone has their own method, man. Everyone has their own way of doing it. I’m not going to talk shit, and I’m sure I’d like to have Chili back on to talk about this, but he has a whole different method, man. That dude goes balls to the wall. He’s out there. Like, I almost think he’s going to get a fight with the cops every time or get arrested.
I don’t. What? You have a different method? Correct. Right. Chili and I don’t talk no more for whatever reasons. I guess we bumped heads. I don’t want to bash the guy, but I guess we don’t talk anymore. I tried to highlight channels that are trying to do this for the right reasons. There are a lot of new channels, so sometimes it’s hard for me to distinguish whether they have a good head on their shoulders or whatnot.
They have a police encounter, they send me their video, and we highlight. Know, they turn out to be good. There’s good channels out there. This is a public service from Florida, is a really good channel. Rice crispy out of Florida. Jersey watcher. There’s a lot. There’s a lot of channels. Yeah. This community exploded. There’s a channel out of Seattle or out of the Washington state, and this channel is called I am free inland auditing.
I’m learning from this guy. I’ve been around for a long time, and I got over half a million subscribers. This is one of the newer channels. And I really like watching this guy’s channel. I’m binge watching this dude. He’s smart, man. He’s doing things that not very many other auditors have done. There have been a lot of auditors that go out there and do records requests, but this guy is on a whole nother level.
He threatens lawsuits. He’s teaching me how to start doing records requests, because in California, we have a case law that came out called SB 1421. I think it came out in 2018. SB 1421 is supposed to allow us to get records when cops screw up, when they get reprimanded and stuff like that. We’re supposed to be able to see these records. If I’m not mistaken, Kern county, where I live, is suing the state to hold those records so that we don’t get those from the cops.
And that brings us to where we are now with body cams. It was an uphill battle for us to get body cams to put them on cops. Right now, it’s an uphill battle just to get the body cams. Okay, hold on. Timeout. Would you say you were responsible for putting that forth, like getting the body cams on the cops? Well, I don’t want to say that we’re responsible for it.
I mean, they’re responsible for it because they made a lot of mistakes along the way. But you’re having trouble retrieving them now, getting the footage that they’re recording. Right. And I’ve tried here in Kern county to get body cam footage. I’ve tried in other areas as well. In California, some states allow body cam footage to come out a lot faster. Florida is a good state, if I’m not mistaken.
Washington is a good state. They try to be transparent and release the body cams, but California is not at all. They don’t want us know. California is always talking, know, liberal this, liberal that and stuff like that. But they’re trying to talk about they want to hold cops accountable and stuff like that. But really, there’s nothing being done to hold cops accountable in California. It’s just the game that they play.
But you are, you’re only. The people are, yeah, the people are doing their best. What happens when you get pulled over or whatever, or you show up to a scene where a cops pull over? I’m sure you go looking for this sometimes, right, to go start recording. When you police hunting, I don’t know what you want to call it, but what happens when you pull out your camera? Does the whole demeanor change? Do they just like, whoa, now we’re being recorded.
What’s the shift like? What do you personally witness when you pull out your phone and you’re like, you’re being recorded. Do you have to tell them or you just start recording? No. That’s one of the great things about the first amendment, is that freedom of the press is part of the first amendment. You don’t need a press pass. You don’t need credentials to record cops in public. Even in the police departments, you don’t need credentials to record cops.
So freedom of the press is part of the First Amendment. It’s important that we, the people understand that because we’re afraid of cops. The people are afraid of cops, man. Unless you know, to pull out the phone and record. When I first started going out there and recording cops, they hated it. I was threatened with the rest over and over and over again. I had one cop who found out who I was, and he was saying my address in my videos, and he was saying my full name and my address and just trying to intimidate me that way and stuff like that.
I put a complaint on him. What happens to him? He gets promoted later on. Later on, I seen him, and I was like, man, how the heck did you get promoted, man? You’re a bad cop. And he just smirked and laughed. And it’s come to the point where every cop in Bakersfield already knows me. As a matter of fact, the cops here in Bakersfield had to write a card on how to deal with First Amendment auditors.
And on the back of the card, it has a first amendment in the constitution. Because of me, the city attorney had to write up that card and pass it to every cop. So now when I stumble upon a cop, watch out here, the cops are trying to figure out how to deal with me. Yeah, because I don’t back down, man. I mean, unless the cop threatens me with the rest.
If the cop says, back up, get behind the car over there. And I’ll be like, if I don’t move, are you going to arrest me? If a cop says yeah, then the threat of arrest is just as good as an arrest. You know what I mean? Like, they already violated your civil rights. What happens if they say yes? What happens if they say yes? What happens if they say, I’ll arrest you? I walk back, man.
I move back. I’m not trying to get arrested out here. I’ve been arrested already a couple of times. I’ve beat two. But that’s a threat of arrest. I mean, do you go after them for that? I haven’t done a lot of litigation and stuff like that. When I first got my rights violated doing this, the attorney that I was paying, he ended up ripping me off. And all he did was dox me to all the agencies out here.
And so I had to kind of walk away from that. I realized I wasn’t as smart as I wish I was. You know what I mean? I didn’t file lawsuits and stuff like that. I’m not really good in the courts and litigation. But what I did, I started to just kind of highlight the patterns of their police behavior. I wanted more and more people to see how they act.
But no, I’m trying to learn a little more now. Like I said, I’m trying to learn from some of these smaller channels that really know their stuff. A lot of these smaller channels that are coming up. Okay, if you want me to show it. Yeah, no doubt. No, finish what you’re saying. A lot of these smaller channels that are coming in, they’ve been watching a lot of our channels for a long time.
And so they kind of have their mentality of their thought process. They want to bring something to the table. So a lot of these new channels take what they’ve learned from us and add something to it. And I think that’s what’s amazing about this community is the fact that we’re learning from each other. First of all, through YouTube, we were able to learn our rights, something that we weren’t taught in school, something that the cops are not being taught in the academies, something our parents didn’t teach us.
They’re not teaching us about our rights in church. We had to learn our rights through YouTube. Many of us know what our natural rights are, what the first amendment is, the second amendment, 3rd, 4th, fifth, the Bill of Rights. I don’t know as much as I would like to, but I’m trying to learn. And we live in the age of information. How much longer are we going to need attorneys? Attorneys are kind of screwing us over.
They don’t want to file lawsuits unless we get brutalized and stuff like that. And it’s on video. These civil rights violations are happening every single day right here. The video that you have on your screen is. I see that you have a store here. I recommend people go over there. I like this. I like this bacon line flag. That’s funny. That’s fucking funny, dude. 1. 3 million views.
1. 3 million view. 554,000 subscribers. You’re killing it, dog. Yeah, man. I never expected anything, bro. As a matter of fact, not to be braggadocious or anything, I really don’t, like, never talk about my money, but I never expected a dollar on YouTube. When I started my channel, I didn’t even know you could monetize. I just did it because I felt like it was a necessity. Just yesterday, I hit $1 million on my main channel.
I’ve actually made a million dollars on YouTube. And it’s because of bad policing. Bad policing has keep it up. You know what I mean? I never expected anything. I just did this. I feel like I did it for the right reasons. And here we are, man. And I think cops know that now when they see me out there, they know what my channel has done. They know what I have accomplished.
Cops in Bakersfield, where I live now, a lot of them look at me differently. Cops that used to hate me before used to scoff at me. Now they just wave. A lot of them wave. Hey, man, how are you doing? That’s so cool. That’s so good. But that’s even better, because you want to be friends. You don’t want strife and madness and polarization. You want to be friends.
That’s how I see it. I’d rather be unified and understand each other, break bread and understand each other’s points of view, and then that’s how everyone gets know. Yeah. Right here in Kern county, bro, there is a cover up going on about last year. I was beginning to see a pattern of cops speeding without emergency lights, running stop signs, no signal lights, and no emergency lights when they’re speeding.
Right. I had been recording that a lot. So I went to the mayor’s office, and I told the mayor about it. She wasn’t there. I left a note with the secretary. Nobody ever reached out to me. My concerns were ignored. Two weeks after I went to the mayor’s office, a gentleman died. Cops ran. Cops were speeding. They ran a stop sign. They killed a man in a vehicle.
So in this accident, I had spoken to a private investigator because I had reached out to the law firm, and I told them that I had patterns of cops speeding with no emergency lights and stuff like that. And I told them that if they wanted to use my videos for the lawsuit, they’re more than welcome to. A private investigator reached back out to me and he told me about a specific case, that specific case that we’re talking about.
He told me which cop was driving, which was Trayvon Cobbins. He’s a cop here in Bakersfield. They charged recently, the California highway patrol took on this case, and apparently these cops are saying they don’t know who was driving. They both bumped their heads. They forgot who was driving. So right now, the California highway patrol is charging the wrong cop. A long time ago, when I first found out about this accident and I talked to that private investigator, he told me which cop was driving.
Dna samples came out and Trayvon Cobbins’DNA is on the airbag in the driver’s seat. But they’re charging the other cop. Why are they charging the wrong cop? Is this a waste of tax dollars? I have a theory. I have a theory. Masons. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I know a lot of cops are masons, and I think they kind of get each other’s back. They protect each other. So maybe look into that.
Yeah, no doubt. I do believe that if you go to mostly any courthouse or many of these big buildings, you’ll see the freemasonry symbol right there. And do they operate and run this country? I believe so. They do. Right now they do. And that’s why I think it’s important for we, the people, to really know and understand what our natural rights are. Are we ever going to change things for the better or is it just going to continue to get worse? Because video after video after video, cops are screwing up.
Do they do a good job? A lot of cops do do a good job. Let’s not deny that. Let’s tell the truth. And we need them. Cops are a necessity in this country. This is not a channel to bash cops. It’s just to hold them reliable and responsible for what they’re doing, to uphold the constitution. Right. So let’s talk about this video real quick, Dave. It’s an hour long.
Is there any way, can I skip to certain points on it, or is it better to play the whole hour? I would play maybe like the first three, four or five minutes, and then you could start skipping along the way. But I’ll explain this video right here. This woman, she works in the office of the chief of police. She took a picture of an agenda of the board.
It’s public agenda, right? She takes a picture and she sends it to someone, that someone has like some kind of Facebook page or whatnot. So they put this agenda on their social media. And this person that she sent the picture to mentioned that this police chief did never had the credentials to get that job. And they were questioning how this police officer became chief of police. And so this chief of police was pissed off because they’re questioning why he’s there.
So he decides to pull in the secretary into a room, and he’s questioning her about it. She does a really good job of not being intimidated by him. And so at the end of this conversation right here of this meeting, he fires her. Well, I don’t know if it’s a lawsuit or well, but she takes it to the board, the city council. Right. They give her job back.
The attorney towards the end of this video is outstanding. That’s why this video has so many views, because once you start watching it and you watch it all the way through, especially when the attorney starts talking, it’s outstanding. The way he puts the cop in check on the stand, questioning him, it’s beautiful to watch. Right? So then tell me where to jump, because I don’t want to play the whole, I guess we’re not going to play the whole hour, so let’s just skip through it and just tell me where to go.
You can actually skip through it and go towards the end and see how the attorney is talking to the chief of police. And there’s a lot that goes to the story. For instance, the chief of police’s girlfriend, she’s making a whole bunch of money on social media. And because of all of these allegations and things that are going on, his wife’s not able to make money. I put all of that into the video.
This video. I had my whole team do a bunch of research. We found out names, people that were involved who made the complaint to the chief, where the picture went. So all of that is into this video. It’s a really good one. I’m going to skip through this video, but if you want to go watch it, go to San Joaquin Valley and what’s transparency. Chief of police fires employee over hurt feelings.
She wins at the end. So go watch this whole video in its entirety, but we’re going to just skip through it a little bit here, right? Yeah, go for it. All right, so let’s just do like. So play the first part of it, you said. Yeah, I would say go ahead and play the first part of it that were on Facebook and stuff. So I have to ask, did you take any photos of the common council agenda? Are you leaving? Okay, well, okay.
You’re being terminated right now. Then I need your id. Today. We have a video that could possibly upset you at the beginning, but has a happy ending, sort of. Welcome back to San Joaquin Valley transparency. On May 11, 2023, police Chief Steve Hansel interrogated an Amory city employee named Bethany Escrow, who works in his office, for taking a photograph of a publicly posted city council agenda and texting it to friends.
The chief then investigated. Wait, this was publicly posted? Yeah. So it’s not like she didn’t do anything wrong. Yeah. So you’re telling me she posted a photo of something that was already publicly posted. Right. Wow. Investigated a non crime by investigating the person who criticized him and the local government on a Facebook post. Here’s that post. Exactly one week earlier, on May 4, 2023, Chief Steve Hansel received a phone call from the city clerk, treasurer Ben Jansen, who brought to the chief’s attention about the city watchers Facebook post.
The post read. So please tell me why the Amory police chief is taking professionalism classes that the police department is paying for out of their regular budget, when he lied on his resume and said that he had those skills, along with stating that if you paid taxes in Amory, Wisconsin, this should outrage you immediately. Chief Hansel was outraged and began his bogus investigation. And this is when he began in.
It’s. It’s all because he got that post. He saw that post and then he lost his lid. Yeah. That’s what made him go crazy interrogating Bethany escrow. All right. Informing you that you’re being investigated for internal investigation. All right. Provided some policies. He’s investigating, so he’s informing her that he’s investigating her. Right. Nobody else. Am I right in saying that? Yeah. So here is your. Read that and sign that, and I will sign that with you as well.
Okay. So this was brought to my attention about some posts that were on Facebook and stuff. So I have to ask, did you take any photos of the common council agenda? Yes. Why did you do that? I like to see them and have them available, okay. They’re public information. Okay, yeah, I understand that. Okay. And what did you do with that photo? So he’s abusing his power. That’s what he’s doing right now.
Because it hurt his. Why is he abusing it? What would tick him off about this? Because it questions his legitimacy to have that position. Because he never took professionalism classes. And you have to have those professionalism classes in order to actually get the job. The mayor and the chief must have been friends, so the mayor gave him the job, bypassing that. And so people in his own office, they started questioning what was going on, why this guy is the chief, and he didn’t like that.
He was pissed off. So instead of him doing the right thing and just going to go take those professionalism classes, he decided to fire her instead and do an investigation that he’s spearheading. Yeah. Saw it on your phone. You didn’t give it to anybody else? If somebody asked me what was happening with what the common council agenda was, I sent it to them. Okay, and who did you send it to? I’m sure some friends.
Well, I need to know who those friends are. Who did you send it to? Who you sent that photo to. Can’t she ask for a lawyer, Dave? Right? Can’t she request a lawyer and stop talking? She has a right to be silent. Yeah, I guess this is like an internal thing, right? This is within the department. So it’s like, do you need a lawyer every time you’re investigated by internal affairs? I mean, did this chief take the position of internal affairs to investigate her? A lot of things come into question.
This video, in particular, of the practices of what the chief is doing. Something that is public knowledge that I sent privately, off duty. Okay, well, the photo that you sent has been used to discredit the department and also this common council in the city. So are you refusing to answer? Tell me who you sent this photo to. I don’t believe that I did anything wrong. I didn’t ask that.
Please. So are you refusing to tell me who you sent this photo to? I sent the photo to friends who asked about the common council. Okay, who asked about the common council? I have plenty of friends asked about it. Members of the public asked about the common council. Who did you send that photo to? I don’t believe I need to give any names to people. Okay, what was your intention on giving that photo? I had no intentions on giving that photo.
No intentions on giving this photo to this person? Bro, I’m really wondering why she just says I want to get a lawyer. I have the right to remain silent. I don’t get why she’s taking this abuse. Yeah, she takes that abuse for a while, man. He goes in on her. Okay. She’s a boss, bro. Should I keep playing it? It does get long. He does kind of get repetitive asking over and over and over again.
She does get a lawyer, though. And when the lawyer comes in, the comments, if you read, like, the comments, the comments absolutely love the lawyer. The attorney, he just goes in on that cop, man. The way the cop is going in on her. The attorney goes in on the cop later. Wow. Can I fast forward to that? Yeah, go ahead. Go for it. Okay. Where is that? Tell me when to stop.
There you go. Should I go a little back? Yeah, you go there. Okay, I need your id. I need you to sign this. Here, let me give you your stuff. Here’s. He just finished firing her. Okay. So he just now fired her. That’s where we’re at with clarify. Yeah, because after the meeting, she said, I’m going to go ahead and take the rest of the day off. And she was getting ready to leave, and he said, no, you’re fired.
And so that comes into question later on when the attorney goes in. But, yeah, at this moment, he’s firing her and he’s trying to have her sign the paper, make a copy of that for you. Well, anything that you have with the department or anything that you need to pull up, you’re stuck. I’ll have it. Here’s your copy to gather your stuff. That’s cool. You could feel the tension, bro.
Like, you could feel the. You could cut it with a knife. You asked him? Yeah. Any other questions? All right, folks, I told you the video was not over. If you’ve stuck around this far, get ready because you are absolutely going to love the rest of this video. Bethany escrow’s attorney absolutely destroys this cop. She ends up getting her job back. At the end of the day, this is without a doubt the funnest video that I’ve ever worked on.
Reason being, is because when you have cops like this who act like they’re above the law and they use their feelings and they try to fire good people that are in government that do want transparency, that don’t mind accountability, and they get stopped at the end of the day, that really makes me happy, folks, if you guys stick around for the rest of the video, you’re absolutely going to love it.
It is kind of long. I will be cutting out some parts. I’m going to put the best parts for you guys. So without further ado, let’s watch the rest of the video. So should I just skip through this? Should I just play this entirety? You can play some of it and just kind of skip along the way. All right, tell me when to skip. So, sir, do you deny telling Mr.
Hickok that you terminated miss escrow because of a Facebook post? Yes. Terminate her for a Facebook post that led to the investigation. And you know who Mr. Hickok is, right? Yes. Okay. Who is Mr. Hickok? He is a lieutenant with my department. Okay. And you’re saying he was the interim chief when this discipline was so positively issued, right? Yes. Okay. Are you afraid that he’s going to contradict your testimony here today? Not afraid of anything.
And you’re not afraid of losing income, is that right? Did you ever tell Mr. Hickcock about how much income you lost? I believe so, yes. Why did you tell him to? I don’t know how it was brought up. I don’t remember. I don’t recall. You think Mr. Hickok would remember? I don’t know. Maybe. Why did you tell him at that time? I just answered, I don’t recall what was brought up during our meeting.
I’m sorry, I thought I asked where the last question. So where were you when you brought this issue up? Was naturally in this council chambers room with a meeting between myself, Lieutenant Hickok and Patty Bijorklin. That’s the city administrator, right? Yes. What was the purpose of that meeting? We’ll have us come together and try to be all on the same page and make sure the department is operating at a good level.
Okay. And you didn’t threaten to terminate anybody at that meeting at all? Okay. Now, did Mr. Johnson Jansen rather tell you that these comments were disparaging to the city? After refresh my reflection for my report here, sure. I don’t recall. Is this a zoom? Is the lawyer somewhere else? Is that what I’m seeing here? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Because he looks like he’s, like, at his house.
I’m like, wait a minute. What’s going on here? If he did or not, how many people there in the audience are members of your police department? Six. I’m sorry, seven. Seven. Do you believe they’re standing there in support of Ms. Esko or something else? I don’t know. Now is it your testimony that Ms. Escrow was raising her voice during the interrogation? He slightly elevated it, yes. Okay. And was that in itself a work rule violation? No.
No. Okay, so when you say insubordination here, are you able to identify what action Ms. Escrow supposedly did that was insubordinate? She left and she left her work. She just left for the day. She didn’t finish the work that she was doing. Okay. And by left for the day, that means taking some steps towards your direction. And then after you saying, you’re terminated. Right? I asked if she was leaving and she said she was leaving and then said, I’ll be hearing from her attorney.
Now, tell us how she refused to obey a legitimate order from a supervisor. She didn’t go back to her desk to finish her work. Okay. And you ordered her to go back to her desk and what? Dude, that was his comeback. And it goes on and on and on like this. That was his comeback is because she didn’t go back to her. He ordered her to go back to her desk and finish her work and she didn’t.
So that’s what he’s coming back with right there. That’s it. Finish her work. Is that right? Told her to go back to her desk and I believe it was finish her duties or something to that effect. And did you observe, in those two minutes, did you observe her not doing those duties? I observed her shut her light off and gather some belongings. And then I asked again, are you leaving? She said, she’s leaving and you’ll be hearing from my attorney.
So I assumed that she was leaving for the day. So you asked her twice leaving for the day now, is that right? Leaving. Okay, well, leaving for the day. When people leave for the day, does that mean they quit or something else? You’d have to ask her what she believed. I believed that she was leaving. Okay. Do you have any problem with us asking her? I don’t have a problem.
Are you afraid of her testifying here? Not at all. Okay. Can you explain to us how her behavior was insulting towards the superior? She interrupted me lots of times, and some of her body language was insulting. But those were just the basis for all this stuff from the post was a basis for the investigation. And this stuff in the post here, let’s just talk about that. Because those didn’t offend you, right? Not at all.
Did they insult you? Not at all. Okay. But then why did you mention those posts when we’re talking here about insulting behavior to her superior officer? Those were the reasons why? Because it disparages the department. That’s what I wanted to talk to her about. I want to point out that right there. And that’s what I was talking about earlier. Is cops have a policy to not do anything that disparages the department.
You’re not supposed to say anything that disparages in public. You’re not supposed to talk to the news or the people if you’re a cop, you’re not supposed to say anything that disparages the department. That’s actually a policy violation. And if we really think about that. So that policy states is even if a cop does something bad, you can’t talk about it. If you’re a cop, you can’t talk about your partner throwing sodas.
I don’t know if you’ve seen that video, but this cop got fired because he was passing by people at night and throwing sodas at people out of his patrol car. Yeah. So you mean to tell me that his partner couldn’t tell on him because of disparities? Or he couldn’t mention anything publicly. Wow. And that, I think, is a massive problem as well. There are policies that continue to allow cops to bad cops to flourish while good cops get pushed out of the way.
And you could fast forward, I would say maybe fast forward about ten minutes of this and kind of see where the attorney is going with this. He’s on it, man. The chief of police. I kind of feel sorry for him. After this, a lot of confusion was just created. A lot of false statements have been made about the testimony that was given. And to be honest, I think the First Amendment and the Fifth Amendment been used pretty loosely in the last hour.
I’d like to have some clarifying discussion about what the first amendments allow people to do. But does it keep you from the consequences of your statements? I suppose, while he’s out. I mean, the First Amendment, as we all know, protect your freedom of speech, talk out against government. Right. And I think we can all agree on it. We also know there are severe regulations and restrictions on the first amendment by standing up in a carpet theater and yell fire.
We all know that one. Right? I go to jail for that. Well, that’s just my freedom of speech. Right. Okay. So we acknowledge that there’s restrictions on that, and most of those restrictions come through employment condition. Is this a different day? That’s the same day. But that’s the attorney of the cop right there. Okay. Yeah, he’s arguing for the cop. And if you paid attention, he’s basically pretty much saying that there’s limits on the First Amendment.
See, that’s what I think government tries to do, always is. Overstep those boundaries. They’re habitual line steppers. They’re trying to minimize the importance of the First Amendment, there are restrictions. You can’t yell fire in a theater, stuff like that. Should I keep playing from here? Yeah, all the time. You sign contracts with their employers that, for confidential information. I can’t share that with anybody. Well, wait a minute.
That’s an infringement on my First Amendment right. But I signed a contract saying I wouldn’t do that. That’s a breach of contract issue. You have an employee handbook. I have. Newsflash, folks. In the employment law world. An employment employment handbook, both generally count as an employment contract. Doesn’t make you a contracted employee. But you agreed certain behaviors when you sign that employee handbook and then you violate terms of that employee handbook.
I’m sorry, but you waived your right to the first amendment on some of the schemes you’re going to be involved with. If it’s disparaging against, you can waive your rights on the First Amendment. But what he’s saying is when Bethany Escrow got the job, she signed the contract, she signed the application. And basically what that’s saying is her rights are limited, which is kind of true. When you become a cop, you trade in your rights for privileges.
And basically what this lawyer is arguing for is that Bethany violated that contract because she spoke out against. She was disparaging the department. But you’re going to see, after this guy talks, he might be able to fast forward a little bit as well to where the other attorney comes in. He destroys him as well. I don’t think we’re interested in having anything very long, but I would like to summarize this testimony that we have here.
So we’ll take closing statements. Great. So I assume it’s their burden. So I’ll go first, if you don’t mind, my understanding of the testimony here. And I am a constitutional law attorney, so you may or may not take it from me. But what I heard here was an admission of both violation of Ms. Escrow’s First Amendment and Fifth Amendment rights. There’s absolutely no question that she has a right to make statements, be they disparaging or otherwise, against the city of Amory, and that if the city of Amory terminates her because of those statements that she makes off the clock.
So even if she was the county watcher, even if she takes a picture. But this is all that we have, is that she merely took a picture of a public document that’s protected free speech. If Miss Escrow is terminated, her free speech rights will be violated. We also heard this gentleman testify that there’s a work rule that he gave her this document that ordered her to testify. And we also saw that this interrogation was custodial in nature, not just because it happened in a closed door room of an interrogation.
There’s a reason why police tell suspects that they’re free to leave. We didn’t hear that. There’s a reason why police leave doors open. There’s also a reason why police officers take classes, possibly those who don’t know that. One of those reasons that police officers who are well trained leave the doors open to interrogation rooms is because if it’s not a custodial interrogation, the suspect needs to be free to leave now.
Wow. I didn’t know that. I didn’t either. They leave the door open, so you could be free to leave? I guess so. If they shut the door, that means you’re not free to leave. I’m learning stuff right now. Am I right in saying that? Yeah, I guess so. I guess we’re talking about an interrogation, right? Does that mean that that’s how all interrogations go, or just internal interrogations? Wow.
Hopefully my audience can help us out with that one. Yeah, audience. Feel free to leave comments down below on that. That matters. But what matters even more, again, is that there is a work rule that is in place that is ordering her to tell the truth under fear of termination. Once Mr. Hansel put that document down that invoked Miss escrow’s fifth amendment rights against self incrimination, Mr. Hansel had one of two choices.
He could have used that body cam that was coerced, that coerced testimony to further his investigation, or he could have used it for disciplinary purposes, but he couldn’t have done it for both. That’s the law. That’s called garrity is the federal case. Odson is the state case. I’m just in the appeals court on that issue right now, just for example. So maybe it’s on my mind. That’s interesting.
So he can only use it for one or the other. I guess so. I’m learning a lot here. I’m learning a lot here. This is very interesting to me. Sure. It’ll be on my mind a lot further. If this termination is confirmed, I’m sure there’s going to be a lot more chance for a lot more testimony from all sorts of people on this issue, because, again, Miss escrow, and it looks like there’s a conspiracy here between the clerk, Mr.
Janssen, and the police chief here to violate my client’s constitutional rights. And we also have evidence that this gentleman is losing a substantial amount of money. We have evidence that my client participated in making an exit complaint, parts of which caused this gentleman to lose a lot of money. Now, we’ve heard, and everybody in this room has heard him say that doesn’t bother him. Now, we all know that’s false.
Everybody here, everybody at that podium, everybody watching this on YouTube. Who will be watching this on YouTube. Everybody in the stand there today knows that that’s a false statement. It’s just one of many. And that’s really where the crux of where we are at right now is. And this is, you go further and further and further down this road every time we send you a letter. And here we are three weeks later, and there’s retaliation.
You all got a copy of it? Mr. Haynesville got a copy of my letter. It specifically went through first amendment issues and First Amendment retaliation. Now, look out in the stands there, you’re going to see much of the police department sitting with Miss Escrow. That’s not a mistake. I’m going to guess that the officers who are here, even though they’re under fear of retaliation, are here because they want the kind of police department that follows the law.
Because if you. Wow. So this guy is putting him on blast to the whole police department on. They’re siding with her. The police department was there for her. Yeah. I guess the cops that were sitting out there in the crowd, in the seats, they’re in support of Bethany. And after this whole video, after the chief, after this all happened, the very next day, after my video came out, the chief resigned.
And the day after that, the mayor, who’s in the city council meeting. The mayor resigned the day after him, the one who gave the chief the. So can I fast forward anywhere else? Yeah, absolutely. You could fast forward through mean, it kind of speaks for itself. Now they vote in the favor of Bethany escrow. Further ado, I will make the motion to reinstate Bethany. And then you folks vote your heart.
He’s done. Okay. You can’t do that. All right. I just thought I’d take the onus off everybody else. I made my perspective clear right away so I can be the person to do it. I would like to make the motion to reinstate Bethany escrow in her former position there a second. 2nd all right. Any further discussion before we do a roll call? All right. Roll call marks. Yes.
Thank you. Thompson. Yes. Elkin. Yes. This is just a roll call, correct? Or is this a vote? This is a roll call vote. The motion is to overturn the termination. No. Wow. He’s the only one that voted no. I think him and the mayor. Like I said, the mayor resigns afterwards. The mayor? The guy in the middle. I think it’s the guy in the motion to adjourn, first by Eric and second by Sarah.
Any further discussion? All those in favor? Opposed? All right, we’re adjourned. Thank you. All right, folks, and here are my final thoughts. Bethany escrow and others filed an ethics complaint against several city employees for their role in hiring Steve Hansel, who had no leadership experience. Remember I told you about Hainsel’s wife and her social media accounts? While the people of the city raised some concerns because the post did not seem fitting for a police chief, especially of a small city in Wisconsin, Hainsel shut down that social media account, apparently losing thousands of dollars every month.
Steve Hainsel maintains that his loss of income and the complaint had nothing to do with his termination of Bethany escrow. Ms. Escrow’s attorney did an outstanding job here. This is the type of incident that has plagued this country in just about every police department, city hall, and other installations of government. This is how evil people weed out the good people out of their positions in government. I guess it was a good thing that the body cam was rolling.
I can only imagine the incidents that we never got to see and how many of those incidents were never overturned. I must say that the city council did a pretty good job reinstating Bethany Escrow’s position. I just think it sucks that she has to work next to this giant baby with an ego so big that he’s willing to record his own personal attack on Bethany Escrow simply because his qualifications came into question.
When you, as a government employee, stand up for what’s right, then get targeted by the leadership that’s put in place. This makes other government workers afraid to speak out against injustices for fear it’s bullying. That’s bullying. Yeah, absolutely. Of retaliation. That is full tyranny in its purest form. We’ve all heard the saying, power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This video, this case should be shared worldwide. This is the perfect example of what should and what shouldn’t be done in government.
If the mayor is willing to appoint Steve as police chief without meeting qualifications, it makes you wonder what else the mayor is willing to do. Is he willing to allow no bid contracts for some kind of kickback? And this is not a conspiracy, folks. This type of thing happens everywhere, daily. So that’s why this video is one of the most important videos I’ve ever done. It goes all the way to the top, and it uncovers an ugly truth about this country.
I would like to send a special thank you to Bethany Escrow for demonstrating to the people that she actually cares about them and her position in government. Shout out to the city watcher Facebook account. I don’t know who you are either, but I love you. Wow. That’s incredible, man. That is incredible, man. I know my audience. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed watching that. There’s two cases that I’d like to talk about.
Two recent videos that came out. Obviously, I don’t got to say much about the acorn cop. The acorn that fell, and he just. Mac dumped. And another video that came out, I actually shared this one. It went viral on my channel as well. It’s like, 250,000 views. But I shared it about a week ago. It’s the drunk chief who arrived on scene, and he got slammed on the hood by one of the cops that was there.
The chief got in the cop’s face, and the cop wasn’t having it. The chief. Wait a second. Wait a second. The chief was drunk, and he was in the civilian clothes? No, he was in a uniform. Was he in civilian clothes? I mean, did the cop recognize him? Well, yeah, he recognized him. And the chief of police ended up getting. He was allowed to resign after that. So another chief of police.
And I can send you that link right away as well, too, if you want to watch that one. That video is a lot shorter. But like I said, another chief of police who a bad cop. If you’re a chief of police and you’re a bad cop, what does that say about the department? You know what I mean? You should lead by example. Rules apply to thee but not for me type thing, right? Yeah.
So the chief of police was out drinking and driving, gets pulled over, slammed on the hood. What happened then? Well, I guess somebody else was driving drunk. The cops were there on scene. Nobody knows how the hell the chief got there. A lot of people in the comment section asked the question, how did chief get there? Was he driving? So they allowed him to actually drive back drunk.
They knew he was drunk. And if I’m not mistaken, one of the other cops in the video says, oh, yeah, the chief’s drunk again. So, basically, what is it, like, a force of habit? Is the chief always getting drunk, and everybody in the department knows he’s a drunkard. Just let him slide, man. But this one cop didn’t. No, he got into the cop’s face, and the cop was like.
The chief was jamming him up about a jacket that the cop was wearing. I guess he wasn’t supposed to be wearing his particular jacket. He took the jacket off and the chief still was, like, kind of hounding him about it. And the guy was like, the cop was like, I’m on a DUI call. You can’t do this. And the chief grabs him by the arm and he just kind of grabbed the chief and slammed him on the hood of the car.
And, yeah, the chief suspended him that day. The chief told him, go home. Go to the department, you’re suspended. But I guess they went back and the chief ended up, was forced to resign after that. It’s another thing that I think is bad is police unions. They fight for the cops, so when they screw up, they’re actually allowed to resign so that their families don’t lose or don’t get hurt by the cops actions.
The cop still has to support his family, right? So supposedly they say it’s that. But I think it has a lot to do with not disparaging the department. You don’t want to have 25 cops fired from your department in the last two years. Most of them, you allow them to resign so it doesn’t look bad. You know what I mean? I think that’s not good, man, to allow cops to resign when they screw up.
No, man. Fire them. Get it out of there. Get them out of there, man. People get their lives turned upside down all the time by police. And I’m not talking about bad people doing crimes. They deserve to go to jail. I’m talking about people not committing any crimes, going to jail for no reason. Cops not knowing that the people have the first Amendment. So they arrest people for swearing.
I just posted a video of a cop arresting somebody for swearing. It’s just like they’re supposed to be law enforcement, not feelings like that. I like that, man. Dave, this is great, man. I’m going to put this up tomorrow. I’m going to get it to that. I don’t think we need to edit it, but I’m going to get it cleaned. Know, whatever. Thanks for coming on. San Joaquin Valley, folks.
San Joaquin Valley transparency. Kicking ass and taking names, dude, that’s what you’re doing. And I fully support you. Like I say, I back the blue, but not if they’re after you. Everybody, that’s the way it is. Got to stop these bullies, man. I’m not about it. I hate bullying and a lot of these guys, there’s a lot of good ones. I’m not going to say there’s not my family, work with family.
I come from a family of cops, and we’re all human, so I can understand some mistakes. I get that. But you got to hold people accountable. You can’t destroy people’s lives that don’t deserve it. And we got to hold everyone accountable. So, David, everyone go to San Joaquin Valley transparency. Subscribe. And if you’re new on my channel, please subscribe to my channel as well and help us both out, man.
Get the word out. I appreciate you, Dave. Thank you so much. I appreciate you a lot, David. Thank you. .