Summary
➡ The speaker suggests a change in the electoral process to improve representation and accountability. He proposes dividing large congressional districts into smaller ones, allowing representatives to personally interact with constituents. This would also reduce the influence of money and media in elections. The speaker believes this approach would restore the people’s control over the “people’s house” and make politics more responsive to the public’s voice.
➡ The text emphasizes the importance of men building strong relationships through shared activities, rather than just through conversation or religious study. It also discusses the role of money in our lives, highlighting that while it can provide freedom, it can also lead to bondage if mismanaged. The text encourages men to be intentional in their relationships and financial decisions, and to consider the impact of their choices on others.
➡ The text discusses the importance of honoring God, not by simply avoiding using His name in vain in a traditional sense, but by not attributing to Him things He didn’t say. It also emphasizes the significance of brotherhood, particularly among men, and the need for them to gather and support each other. The text also highlights the importance of integrity, and the need to stand firm in one’s convictions. Lastly, it warns against being a coward, as it is considered a sin according to Revelation 21:8.
➡ This text emphasizes the importance of courage, integrity, family, service, unity, and faith in living a Christian life. It highlights that courage and integrity involve standing by the truth, regardless of the cost. The text also underscores the significance of family, particularly in raising godly children and loving their mother. It encourages service and unity among different races and theological beliefs, and emphasizes living life by faith, not by worldly standards.
➡ The speaker discusses the importance of understanding and following Jesus’s teachings, not just creating an image of him that suits personal beliefs. He also mentions his book, “A Daring Faith in a Cowardly World,” and his work with Promise Keepers. The conversation then shifts to the topic of medical freedom, specifically the right to use one’s own blood or designated donor blood during surgeries. Despite existing laws and the Constitution supporting this right, some hospitals are denying patients this option, which the speaker sees as an infringement on medical freedom.
➡ The text discusses a new organization called “Blessed by His Blood” that aims to provide clean blood donations. It also raises concerns about the current blood donation system, including recent changes in restrictions and potential risks. The text also delves into the history and politics of raw milk, highlighting the author’s personal journey of understanding its benefits and the industry’s manipulation.
➡ The text discusses the negative health effects of pasteurization and homogenization of milk, which are processes used to extend shelf life and prevent illness from bad bacteria. However, these processes also destroy beneficial enzymes and nutrients, and alter the milk’s natural state, making it less healthy. The text also criticizes the food industry and FDA for allowing harmful chemicals in food, and highlights the better quality of food products in other countries. Lastly, it mentions the political aspect of the dairy industry, with synthetic alternatives being pushed for control reasons.
➡ The article discusses the ongoing battle for food freedom, focusing on the issue of raw milk. It highlights the restrictions and controls in different states, with only about 20% of states allowing raw milk. The article also delves into the difference between A1 and A2 milk, with A2 milk being considered healthier. It ends by discussing the push towards synthetic meat and the potential health risks associated with it.
➡ A woman who was diagnosed with osteopenia, a condition that precedes osteoporosis, at the age of 33, managed to improve her bone health significantly by drinking raw milk and taking magnesium supplements. After a severe accident at 48, her bone density scan revealed that her bones were as healthy as an 18-year-old’s. She also mentioned that raw milk can help lower overall cholesterol levels. She emphasized the importance of maintaining a balanced calcium to magnesium ratio in the body, as an imbalance can lead to brittle bones and hardening of the vascular system.
➡ The text discusses the health implications of various types of milk, including soy, nut, and camel’s milk, with a particular focus on the negative effects of soy due to its high estrogen content. It also mentions the potential dangers of non-organic milk and almond milk due to pesticide use. The text then shifts to a discussion about the dangers of SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors), a type of antidepressant, highlighting a personal story of a man who committed suicide after taking the drug for insomnia.
➡ The text discusses the dangers of adjusting dosages of certain medications, like Zoloft, without proper medical guidance, which can lead to severe consequences such as suicide. It also highlights the lack of warnings about these risks and the role of pharmaceutical companies in promoting their products through heavy advertising, often overshadowing their investment in research. The text also suggests that the media and doctors may be unknowingly influenced by this marketing. Lastly, it calls for more transparency about the medications involved in incidents like mass shootings, suggesting a possible link between such events and the use of certain drugs.
➡ The article discusses the lack of personal connection between citizens and their congressional representatives, emphasizing the importance of true leadership and character in politics. It criticizes the focus on fame and fundraising in political campaigns, and the influence of celebrities and media manipulation. The article also highlights the need for politicians to communicate effectively about policy decisions, rather than relying on soundbites. Lastly, it suggests that increasing the number of representatives could improve democracy, but acknowledges the challenges of managing a larger body of representatives.
➡ The article discusses the potential dangers of certain drugs, including Zoloft and Prozac, and the lack of transparency from pharmaceutical companies about these risks. It highlights the serious side effect of Akathisia, a state of extreme agitation, which can lead to suicidal thoughts. The article also mentions the FDA’s black box warning, the most serious warning for drugs that can cause severe side effects or death, and criticizes the lack of conversation about these warnings between doctors and patients. Lastly, it discusses a recent study that reanalyzed original data used to approve Prozac for children, revealing that suicides were left out of the report, and calls for more scrutiny and questioning of the pharmaceutical industry.
➡ The speaker is part of a committee that reviews new drugs and often finds herself voting against their approval due to safety concerns. She believes many drugs are rushed to market with insufficient testing, sometimes causing harm to patients. She also criticizes the fact that drug companies, not the FDA, conduct the studies, which she feels could lead to biased results. She encourages people to educate themselves about these issues.
➡ The text discusses a plan to change how congressmen are elected, aiming to make the process more representative and accountable. The plan, which is constitutional, requires each state legislature to enact it. The change is expected to face opposition from media and lobbyists, who stand to lose power. The goal is to increase the power of the people, improve accountability, and restore trust in major institutions.
➡ The speaker is concerned about the potential presidency of Gavin Newsom, comparing his policies to those of Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. They believe Newsom’s policies could lead to more government control, mismanagement, and a weaker country. They also discuss the issue of immigration, arguing for controlled immigration and secure borders. The speaker criticizes the welfare state and government control over healthcare, suggesting it could lead to the country’s downfall.
➡ The text discusses the idea that governments often use essential services like healthcare and education to control their citizens. It argues that this has been a common tactic throughout history, with leaders promising to provide these services in exchange for power. The text suggests that this approach undermines personal freedom and choice, and advocates for a return to limited government and increased competition in these sectors. It also introduces a proposal to put limits back on government and give power back to the people.
➡ The text discusses the importance of personal, grassroots movements and the power of individual action. It also shares the story of a man who, after a near-death experience, reevaluates his life and faith, leading him to strive for a more impactful existence. The text also introduces Ken Harrison, the CEO of Promise Keepers, an organization aimed at empowering men in their faith. Despite facing opposition and cancellations from some churches, the organization continues its mission, emphasizing the importance of standing up for one’s convictions.
➡ The text discusses the importance of understanding one’s identity as a Christian, emphasizing that it’s not enough to see oneself as a sinner saved by grace, but as a new creation in Christ. It criticizes churches for avoiding uncomfortable truths and not teaching the whole truth. The text also highlights the need for men to be humble, gracious leaders in their homes and communities, and suggests that the future of the church lies in local, relationship-focused congregations rather than large, impersonal megachurches. Lastly, it discusses the role of Promise Keepers, an organization encouraging men to uphold their commitments and responsibilities.
➡ This text discusses a series of events taking place on Friday nights, starting in New York City on December 1, which will be broadcasted globally for free. The events aim to address real issues such as mental health and homosexuality from a Christian perspective. The text also mentions two books, “Rise of the Servant King” and “Daring Faith in a Cowardly World”, which focus on being a godly man and the importance of good works after salvation, respectively. The author encourages people to live for Jesus Christ, not seek worldly approval, and to stand against societal issues impacting children and men.
➡ The text emphasizes the importance of using our God-given talents and abilities to do good works, not to earn our way into heaven, but as a response to God’s grace. It highlights the need for courage and integrity in living a Christian life, and the importance of supporting and praying for others. The text also discusses the challenges men face in expressing their feelings and the need for organizations like Promise Keepers to help them build relationships and grow in their faith. Lastly, it criticizes the idea that masculinity is about performance, arguing that true manhood comes from the heart and character.
Transcript
So it’s available on Amazon and any place good books are sold. And I hope people get a chance to read it because I think Mister Newsom is going to make a play to be the president of the United States. If not in 24, it’ll be 28. I agree. People ought to know about his record. They ought to know about his background. They ought to know about what he will do to the country or how he will lead the country. And I think that’s very germane. I agree. And of course, we all know that even if he doesn’t run for president and even if he doesn’t get elected president or whatever, what he does there as governor of California has a tremendous impact across the country.
We’ll talk about that in a moment. Let’s talk a little bit about his possible presidency this year. For example, Biden is 81, and he’s not a young 81 either. He’s on the full effect of all those years. There’ll be eighties left by the end of the term. And so, you know, people are looking at this, I look at even that. His running mate, Lala Harris, I call her, but because she’s kind of in La La Land, but she’s, you know, I look at this, they might replace her. They might replace both of them. And, you know, Trump is, is also getting pretty old.
He’s 77. He’ll be 81 by the end of this next term. So he would end up the same age as Biden, but he seems to be physically in better shape. And so there’s a lot, when you look at this, and if they get rid of Biden, and a lot of people in the democratic party are really pushing for that, the likely candidates, I think, to replace Biden would be either Michelle Obama or Gavin Newsom. But Gavin Newsom is in office and he is having effect as he is. The things that he’s doing right now are having effect right now on everybody across the country.
How did you think he did in terms of the debate that he had with Hannity and DeSantis on Fox News? I think he did what he wanted to do, and that is he wanted to introduce himself more to the nation, to a different audience, frankly. I mean, he’s been on MSNBC and CNN quite a bit, so he doesn’t need to introduce himself to those audiences. The Fox audience obviously are different people that don’t ordinarily see what he’s doing. They see a lot of the criticisms. But Newsom came off glib, came off well spoken. He came off citing a whole bunch of statistics that sound great.
Gee, it’s no revelation that a lot of great companies have started in California. Salesforce, Apple, Google, all these great trillion dollar plus companies based themselves in California. And who wouldn’t? I live in California because I just love the weather and the ocean and the natural beauty. And if you’re a smart guy with a great business idea, sure you’re going to want to start your business where you can live the best life you can. And that’s the place for the best weather. But they quickly discover, however, that the government that Newsom leads is nothing short of spectacularly involved in your life.
They want to tax you to death. And so a whole bunch of those companies have decided to ultimately leave. Like Tesla, but Nestle, Toyota, you know, I could name a whole bunch of companies and, and people that have left, they’ve moved to Tennessee or Florida or Texas, where there’s obviously zero tax and where regulation is not going to strangle their future. And they may still keep their homes, by the way, in California, I’m certain that most of them do. But the government of California does its best to chase productive people out of the state or productive businesses and also make it very, very difficult for the rest of the people.
If you’re not in the top 1% in California, you’re living a very difficult life. The cost of living, shortages of energy, water, housing, homelessness all over the place, wildfires, crime, regulation. That’s what I think of when I look at, it’s the home issue, right, and not the homelessness, but even the fact that people can’t afford to buy a home. And this is absolutely amazing. The pictures of people that you see living out of rvs and just lining the road as far as you can see living out of their rvs and then the homeless people who don’t even have an rv.
And all of that is really a function of when you got a state that is as prosperous as that, and you see that kind of abject poverty contrasted with amazing amounts of wealth, that happens because of government policies and because everyone is doing that, that’s not a natural situation. I’m in the housing industry, David. That’s my business. I build and manage apartments. I don’t own anything in California right now. I’m building about 1200 units outside of Indianapolis. Indiana is a great example of a state that treats business well, that isn’t owned by trial lawyers, that doesn’t have huge deficits or pension deficits.
And I can build wonderful apartments in Indiana for under $200,000 a unit. Just gorgeous granite countertops, beautiful appliances. Those same units in California, David, would be five, $600,000 in most of the state. And, you know, that’s a very big difference in terms of your lifestyle and what you’re able to afford and how competitive you are in the rest of the country. It’s just so sad. And it’s mostly, as you said, government that drives up that cost difference. Yeah. Lumber and windows don’t cost a whole lot more in Indiana than they do in California. It’s the other things.
Yeah. And it’s stuff like fuel. Right. Fuel is more expensive in California than it is in other places. They got their own special. It’s like having their own special wood or something. Right? They have to have bespoke gasoline that. So they got some refineries that only produce the special blend that California demands. And so between that and the really high taxes, as I’ve reported on the prices of gasoline going up and everything, California is way ahead of even the number two. And so it’s even more than the taxes. It’s also the regulations that he has on the formulation of the fuel there.
This gets to the essence of Gavin Newsom, and that is he appeals to people on a gut level on some very high emotional issues like abortion, guns, and climate change. It’s part of this whole thing to scare the bejesus out of people, you know, the gasoline formulation that California uses, David, makes the tiniest little bit of difference in the total pollution of the world. I mean, it is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction. Yeah. India and China are spewing carbon into the atmosphere like nobody’s business these days. And the tiny little difference that California makes is ridiculously small.
Yet this is what drives Gavin Newsom, and this is what the media loves. The media loves to herald this stuff, and why? Because it gets clicks and it gets eyeballs. And this is the essence of Gavin Newsom’s entire political agenda, and that is focus on these emotional scare tactics and highly emotional social and other issues. Ignore the stuff that truly makes a difference in people’s lives, like energy, water, housing, safety, cleanliness, homelessness, all these things that really have an effect on people’s lives. And he’s able to roll to electoral victories because so many people just pay attention to these highly emotional issues and they don’t think that you can do anything about these other bread and butter, meat and potatoes issues.
And that’s what I talk about in my book. And what I’m also proposing in my book, David, is a way to get the electorate to finally pay attention to these things and get involved in the process so that they really pay attention to who they’re voting for and why they’re voting for these candidates. It is so hard to get people to focus, though, on their policies and on their records. And I beat my head against the wall trying to get republicans to do the same thing. It’s like, okay, yes, you hate this policy, you hated the lockdown, but you’re supporting the guy that did the lockdown.
What is going on with all this? And of course with Gavin Newsom, he’s very telegenic. He looks like he came out of central casting there in Hollywood and he and his wife. And yet when you start looking at what he did, it’s like, whoa, I was so disappointed to see in California, the people voted him in again, even with everything that had happened there. And yet it’s not surprising because republicans are doing the same thing. They don’t want to hold anybody accountable for anything that happened the last three years or even before that. And why is that, David? The reason is that most voters don’t watch your podcast.
They don’t get any kind of a glimpse of the detailed issues that they ought to be focused on. All they get fed is a diet, a steady diet of 20 or 32nd ads or memes on social media. They never have a chance to have a conversation like you and I are having right now. They just sit there and they mindlessly look at their phones and they see something and they say, oh gee, I don’t like that. And they vote for a guy based upon what his opponent says. They don’t get a chance to actually discuss issues.
So what I’m proposing in my book, and this is really important, David, is a revolution in how we elect our elected leaders. I’m proposing that we change, that. We tweak our election processes with regard to Congress, especially to get people more involved in getting to the essence of a lot of these issues where it’s more than just a 32nd tv ad and it’s more than just a meme. It’s an actual conversation that every voter can have with their representative, which they don’t get a chance to. Now that’s the key thing because you lay out the problems.
But you know, unlike, and we’ve got to get past the point of just laying out problems, we got to have some solutions because things are changing very quickly. So that’s one of the reasons I want to talk to you about that. You got an organization, hearthepeople.org dot. Tell us how that your vision for how that would change the electoral process. The essence of this is the people’s house, David, the congress. It was intended by our founders to be the people’s house. But because they limited the number to 435 about a century ago, the average congressional district is 750,000 people.
Now, it’s just impossible for people to actually know their congressmen and they don’t, they only see them on tv. That’s right. So let me just interject. Even 30, 35 years or so ago when I ran for Congress it was about a half a million and now it’s gone to 750 or half a half a million. Now it’s gone to 750,000. And so you’re getting less and less, you know, representation, as you will. Sorry. Yes. And so, so the idea is very simple, David. Slice that big district into a hundred little tiny districts. Yes. So that each district’s only 7500 people.
You’re not going to use television to reach those 7500 people. You’re not going to use social media, you’re not going to blast radio ads to all of them. What you’re going to be forced to do is actually go and have a conversation because 7500 people is only about 3000 households and you can have a conversation with a couple thousand people, have to spend a few weekends doing it, but you can actually get to know your constituents and more importantly, your constituents can know who you are and they can know what your background is and they can know that you have the character and the competence and the leadership ability to actually do something.
Now as a practical effect, what ends up happening is that these hundred people who were elected in these little tiny districts, they get together at a meeting and they select one person to go to Washington. The other 99 stay home and they don’t have an office, they don’t have a pension, they don’t have a staff, their entire job is to get together every two years and decide on the guy to go to Washington, and then they monitor what that guy does in Washington. But you know what that guy in Washington is not going to do, David? He’s not going to spend 6 hours of every day on the telephone begging for money.
That’s right. That’s right. He’s going to, he’s going to study the issues. He’s going to communicate with his constituents. He’s going to communicate with the 99 people back home who sent him there because he’s got to get reelected. And those 99 hold the keys to that. Right. That’s right. So he’s going to keep them informed, and each of those are going to, in turn, keep their own constituents informed. What this does, David, is it really puts the people back in charge of the people’s house. And I think it would change politics up and down the political spectrum because people then would feel like their voice would be heard and their elected leaders would actually respond to their voice and would have an interest in doing that.
And it wouldn’t be in through the media. I think the media, the media has gotten way too much power in this country. I hope you agree with that, even though you’re a member. Oh, yeah. No, I don’t consider myself to be a media, a member of the media, and they don’t either. To be that. Yeah. And what you’re saying is so true. And I remember in the early nineties, we talked about the New Hampshire state legislature, and it had. Yes, that’s where I got this idea in the early nineties. I don’t know what it is right now, but they said if you spent more than a thousand running for office, that accuse you of trying to buy the election.
And yet at that time, you know, it was routine and, you know, for people to spend, you know, over $100,000 running for Congress at that time. And that’s the problem, is that we’ve allowed this. If you look at the constitution, it said, well, we’re going to have like 30,000 people, one representative for every 30,000 people. We’re not going to go past 50. And then they just, they didn’t even go with that at the very beginning. They just kind of threw that away. And then they fixed it and said, we don’t care how rapidly the population grows and we don’t care about any of this except we’re going to have this fixed number of representatives.
And I think you’re exactly right. That’s one of the ways that we actually get a representative government is to increase the number of people. And when we were talking about this 30 years ago, people say, well, it’s just not practical to do it. And it’s like, no, you could do it today and you could certainly do it today. Now that you’ve got the Zoom technology and all the rest of this stuff that everybody had to live by over the last three years, there’s not even a question as to whether or not that’d be a viable way to do it.
And you’d have the people living in their district instead of maybe traveling to Washington. You know, they could still do their work by telecommuting or something like that. But you’re so right. The Internet actually multiplies the opportunity for this because let’s say I’m the representative of my own little tiny district of 7500 people. It’s a few thousand households. Well, you know, once I’ve met every one of those people, they know me, they trust me. I’ll be able to send them emails. I’ll be able to ask them questions. They’ll be able to ask me questions. If any of them is a crackpot and ask me wild, idiotic questions, I can certainly put them in the background.
But I’ll be able to focus on the people of my district who have real concerns and I’ll be able to then communicate those concerns to the guy that we sent to Washington. And that guy that we send to Washington. He’s going to listen to me because I’m one of the 99 who sent him there. And it won’t be. It won’t be because I gave him a whole bunch of money, right? Like a union boss or a big corporation of something like that. He’ll listen to me because he knows I’m one of those 99 and I can unelect him as much as I can elect him.
And that’s really accountable, responsive government, which is what we ought. And it’s republican, it’s a small r republican government. Remember our, we’re not a democracy, we’re a Republican. We’re a representative republican democracy, which means that we vote for people to represent us. That’s right. But that only works. That only works, David, if those people are actually responsive to us, if they’re only responsible to the people that give them money for their campaigns, which we know they are. That’s right. We’ve lost our representative republic. We really have. And my goal here is to get it back. Yeah, it’s interesting when we look at what has happened in government, it has so rapidly distanced itself from us.
And I think about, we were just watching some old movies for Christmas, and you have these situations where you got the cop on the beat and he would walk the beat, and he knew everybody. He knew the groceries, this person. And he sees people on the street. He knew them. And if he sees somebody that he doesn’t know, he’s keeping an eye on this. Who’s this guy? That type of thing. But we’ve lost that personal touch with everything, but nowhere more so than with the congressional representatives. We don’t know these guys. They don’t know us. And that’s why it is so amazing when you see the details of these people’s lives that are running for office, that you don’t know these people at all.
They’re so distant from you. And what do they focus on, each of these people that runs for office? What they focus on is getting on television, getting famous. I mean, look at in California right now. I’m supporting them because I want to support a Republican. But Steve Garvey, a former baseball player, is running for the US Senate. God love him. He’ll be a million times better than Adam Schiff or Barbara Lee or Katie Porter. Okay, but why is he running? Why is he the main candidate on the republican side? Well, because he was in baseball for 30 years or 25 years.
He got name recognition being in baseball. And so that all of a sudden makes him a great candidate for the Senate. Yeah, I’m sorry. He’s a celebrity, probably the celebrity. And you know what? We need people who are true leaders. You know, look at Gavin Newsom and frankly, Donald Trump are the same kind of person. They really manipulate the media. Why do we know Donald Trump so much? Because he’s been in the media for 40 years. And, you know, Gavin Newsom grew up with the media. You know, his family goes back to governors in California and being part of that whole media thing.
But do they really have the leadership qualities that we look to, to be real leaders and real truth tellers and real competent, character filled leaders? I’m sorry. We need good leaders. We need people of good character. We need people who can empathize and communicate with us and give us the background of why these policies are important, not just dane close the border, but tell us why that’s important. Tell us how we’re going to do that. Tell us the benefits and the burdens of doing all these things. We don’t get those kinds of discussions, David. We just get some soundbite somewhere.
And I think that’s really, really damaged our democracy and damaged our country. And I think it’s one of the reasons why when you look at Iowa and New Hampshire, they don’t necessarily have great track records in terms of picking who’s going to go on to win, even the nomination. But in those environments, you have a situation where they go into a pizza ranch and they talk to people one on one, or they have even the caucuses or the voters interacting with each other, or in New Hampshire. Again, it’s that retail touch that you can have, and that’s just not, doesn’t happen anywhere else.
Everywhere else, it becomes about the advertising budget. I know when I ran, the first question that anybody in the media would ask me was, what’s your budget? How much money? Yeah, exactly. How much money have you raised? I’m not interested because you’re not going to be running ads on my tv show, you know, so I’m not interested in you anymore. I can get the money somewhere else. But, you know, that’s what it’s all about, the money and it’s about the fundraising, with the exception of those two places. But we can see that you’ve got to have that personal touch and people have to know you.
But they, you know, when you’ve got a celebrity like Steve Garvey or you got somebody like Donald Trump, because they’ve watched them for years on a program, and even if it’s not a reality program, even if it’s not sports, even if it is like some scripted tv show, they think they know that person and they think they know them. Exactly. You see it when the person dies. Everybody’s like, oh, I’m in mourning for this guy that was in friends or whatever. And it’s like you don’t know anything about him. But they get as upset about that as they do over their friends dying or something.
They do think that they’re friends with these people on tv, and that’s very true with Gavin Newsom. People think that they know this guy. They really don’t. They don’t know anything about his background. His grandfather helped Pat Brown get elected governor. His father helped Jerry Brown get elected governor. They have fed at the trough of state politics for 40 years. The Newsom family goes back, oh, gosh, actually more than 60 years at the power table, feeding off of government in California. Squaw Valley, which is now called the Palisades, a big ski area, used to be owned by the Newsom family.
And why? Because they leveraged their political connections. Newsom’s father, Gavin Newsom’s father, was the lawyer for J. Paul Getty, the first billionaire, and he opened doors and he maneuvered the legal system to help the Getty family get, you know, and keep their money. So, you know, there’s so many connections here, but people don’t know that. They just think that Gavin Newsom’s this good looking guy with great teeth and great hair, and he spouts statistics that sound good. Yeah. I mean, if you look, if you look through those statistics, by the way, I mean, I think he said a whopper during that DeSantis debate.
He said somehow California’s middle class pays lower taxes than Florida, which, you know, I heard this and I say, what planet is he on? I mean, this is property taxes. They’ve got to be the same. You know, I know Florida’s property taxes are a little bit higher because they don’t have an income tax, but they don’t have an income tax. And I don’t think that even their property taxes are as high as California. I may be wrong. Well, no, not when you look at the cost of housing in California. I mean, our tax, our tax rate is only 1%, but the average house here costs $2 million versus 1 million in Florida or Texas.
So, I mean, that means your taxes are still 1% of 2 million, which is 20,000. In Texas, it might be 2% of 1 million, which is still 20,000. So you’re not going to be paying much of a different tax bill. But that’s kind of lost on Gavin Newsom. I guess he doesn’t expect people to look beyond the headlines there. Well, certainly he can get away with it. And again, it’s because, you know, the, he’s, he’s been trained and he’s, he’s slick. Now, did you run for governor? Are you going to run for governor? You did? No, I did.
Ok. I ran. The seat was open in 2018 after Jerry Brown left, and I figured people were going to be sick of democratic policies. And so I jumped into the race. I had an idea about remaking the California legislature in the same way that I’m talking about the Congress here. And unfortunately, people just didn’t pay attention. And, you know, the media, Newsom raised millions, tens of millions of dollars from the unions, from Hollywood, from Silicon Valley, and, you know, the people that feed at the trough. And he buried me, but I’m staying involved, and I think this is the right thing.
Well, that’s really good. Absolutely. And I’ve mentioned this many times over the years, that is the path. And when you talk about doing that in California it needs to be done at the state levels as well because the same thing happened at the state levels. We’ve frozen the number of representative to the state house and the state senate and that type of thing as a population everywhere has exploded. I mean, you go back and you look at the, you know, 1776 and you look what the population was. It was just like three or 4 million or something like that.
And, you know, and there was real representation because people really did know other people. And that’s the key thing. If it gets really big, as you pointed out, it’s just going to be the people with lots of money and organizations that are going to manipulate them. That’s who they’re going to answer to. They don’t know us. They don’t share our concerns. They don’t live in our area. And as I’ve said many times, you know, even if you were to go back and say we’re going to limit it to 50,000 people, you know, you’d wind up with like 8000 congressional representatives and.
Yeah, and that’s something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that would, that would be unwieldy. I mean, people would look at that and they would say, gee, a body of 8000 congressmen would be just, you’d never get anything done. You know, there’d be, there’d be just too much to, that’s why that might be a nice feature. I get that. But, you know, the structure that we’ve come up with here where you have 100 sub districts and then you send one person who’s responsive, I think that probably works in a higher population area. People can learn about this, by the way, by going to hearthepeople.org dot.
We’re going to try to get this done in a couple of states. I think we’re going to start maybe with Arizona and we’re going to try to get the state legislature to enact this. By the way, that’s an important thing. David, I’m sure you’re a constitutionalist, but you realize the Constitution in article one gives each state the ability to decide how to elect their congressman. Yes. So this is entirely constitutional and a state. All the state legislature has to do is enact this and it will be done for the next election. So that’s what I like about your plan there because, you know, if you wanted to say, well, we’re going to go back and we’re going to have, you know, let’s say maybe not 8000, we’re going to have, you know, 2000 members of Congress? Well, they determine right now, they said that’s our determination, how many are going to be there.
But with your system, it is, it spreads out the representation without, in a hierarchical way. Right. Instead of saying, well, now we’re going to send more people to, to Washington, which they can’t do, you still wind up getting that representation, but in a hierarchical way. That’s great. In your example, it wouldn’t be up to the Congress itself to change to go to two or 3000 people. And they’re not going to do that. And why wouldn’t they do that? Because it would dilute their power. Right. If you’re one of 2000, you’re going to have a lot less power than one of 435.
So that’s the last thing they’re going to do. You’re absolutely right. They’re the ones that froze it at 435 to begin with back in 1920 or so. So what this is going to be required to do is each state legislature is going to have to meet and enact this statute. We have a model statute we’ve had drafted. So it’s very easy to do. And, you know, think about it a second. We’re going to be able to make an argument that who doesn’t want this change? The people who will fight this are the media and the lobbyists because they stand to lose that measure of power.
I think people will look at that and say, hmm, who do we want to have the power? Do we want the people to have the power or do we want media and the lobbyists to have power? I think the people are going to say, geeze, I like this idea because it gives me a greater say over my future and about our leaders, not the media or the lobbyists. And that’s, I think, long overdue. So we’re going to start in one state. We think that once one or two states does this and the rest of the country hears about it, every state is going to say, hey, why don’t we do this in our state? This makes sense.
I think this is a perfect time for this as well because we’re at a time right now where everybody’s looking at the institutions and they’re saying, this just isn’t working. I subscribe to the ideas as troussenhow and the fourth turning. This type of thing happens every 80 years. But whether you see this as a cycle or not, you can see that this is really what is happening, that everybody is questioning the institutions. And we’re seeing at the state level a lot of innovative approaches to change certain things. Let’s come up with some different ways to. It’s kind of a backstop of the financial system in case the Federal Reserve really screws up as many people are worried that it’s going to do.
So you’re seeing moves in terms of a financial backstop to what Washington is doing and many other things like that to nullify what they’re doing. And so I think the time is ripe for people to look at this and say, wait a minute, let’s change the way that we select the congressman. We may not be able to change the number of congressmen that we have, but we can certainly change the way they’re selected to make it more representative. And there’s one word in all this, David, and that word is accountability. People don’t trust the major institutions and why? Because they don’t believe that they’re accountable when they mislead us or when they give us bad information or when they give us half the story.
The big deal with hear the people is that you’re going to have a guy or a girl in your district, 7500 people who you know, and if that person gives you bad information or gives you information that you know is not true or doesn’t pass the smell test or is just lacks common sense, you’re going to be able to hold that person accountable and you’re never going to believe them again. What that means is that the person who you interact with, you’re going to be able to hold accountable and the 99 are going to be able to hold accountable that person that they’ve sent to Washington DC at the same time and they’re going to be able to hold that Congress accountable.
That’s a really big thing. We’ve lost accountability because it’s all about media, it’s all about these sound bites and it’s all about lobbyists and how you shade the truth and telling half the story. That’s right. We’ve got to do away with that. We’ve got to make our leaders accountable to each one of us. And I think this is a step in that direction. Yeah, that’s absolutely right. Yeah. When you look at the presidential baits are a good example. When they get together, they talk about the same issues even though the issues have changed significantly, same issues that they talked about for decades.
They skirt around the issues, they talk past each other as we saw with Newsom and DeSantis. And then they get away with this because you’ve only got two choices. And it’s like, well, I don’t like either one of these guys. But I really can’t stand that guy because I’ve seen all these negative ads and all this. So I’ll vote for this guy even though I don’t really like him. And so all of these things combined together, we got to find a way to break through that. And I like the bottom up approach that you’ve got because we really got to take this back from the bottom up.
We can’t take it back from the top down. It’s too corrupt. Just as pointed out that Congress isn’t going to loot their power. They’re not going to do anything to change what they’re doing. Instead, they’re trying to put these tentacles further into our lives and to micromanage more and more aspects of our life at the local level. And that’s why I think you’re starting to see these approaches rising up at the state level and below that are saying, no, we’re not going to do that. We’re going to start taking back some of our rightful power and all that this, and you’re absolutely right, by the way.
The answer to all this is not media that’s telling us what we want to hear and sound bites. It’s to get the people back involved. Fox News was created as a reaction to the liberal bent of ABC, CB’s and NBC. Right. But now we’ve gone to the Fox News silo and we only hear certain things there and then we don’t hear that over here on the major networks. So we’re kind of buffeted back and forth. And, you know, the people’s reaction to all this, David, is to just turn off, I mean, you’ve seen those interviews that they do on the street, you know, Jesse Waters or Jay Leno or one of these, they go up and they ask people, you know, name the supreme court justices or name your US senator.
Most people can’t do it. Most people, they have no knowledge of politics. And why? Because they’re so detached from it. They’ve gotten moved so far away from it that they just don’t even want to get involved anymore. And you can’t blame them because they don’t have really any input into it. Right. It’s become so distant from us, it doesn’t really matter. And I look at it even from that standpoint, I’ve gotten to the point where it’s like I tell people I’m trying to focus on my local elections and things like that, even to the extent that I look at the national elections and there’s lessons to be learned there about the directions that they’re going to come at us with.
But for the real practical stuff, you got to focus on what’s local. And so we got to grow this from the bottom up. That is a great idea. I love that that is also discussed in your book about Newsom is a solution. This is good. There’s also a website there as well. Hear the people. Do hearthepeople.org. is the plan laid out there that people can see what that looks like? But before we leave, you know, tell us a little bit more about, you know, just, just talk about how California, whether or not Newsom runs for president or, God forbid, gets elected president, the impact that he has on all of us, whether it is, you know, the kind of car that we drive or the appliances that we have, it boils back to the activist government in California and just how big they are compared to other states and how they can throw that weight around, isn’t it? Well, listen, Gavin Newsom, we’ll survive Gavin Newsom if he gets to be president.
We survived Barack Obama. I think our system is strong enough, but you know what? We won’t make the same amount of progress. People won’t have the same opportunities. And I think our country will get weaker. And if our country gets weaker, I think the world is worse off. For that reason. I’m involved in a movie about Ronald Reagan right now. It’s going to come out in a couple of months. And Reagan took over for Jimmy Carter. We were a weak nation made weaker by Jimmy Carter. We had inflation. We had an oil crisis. We had threats from the Soviet Union.
Reagan turned us around and said that we could do better and we could grow and give more people opportunity. We just got to get government out the way. That’s right. Well, you’re absolutely right. Gavin Newsom is one of those that wants to empower government. You know, Hugo Chavez was the same in Venezuela. He promised people better stuff through the government. You know, Castro did the same for Cuba. Oh, you’re going to get better healthcare. You’re going to get better this and that, and guess what? Spectacular failures. I don’t want to see the United States go down that route.
And let me tell you, Joe Biden has taken us down that route. Jimmy Carter tried to. Ronald Reagan saved us. I don’t necessarily see another Reagan on the horizon to save us from Joe Biden. And if it turns out to be Gavin Newsom, I think that could lead us further down this road to more government, more mismanagement, a lower standard of living a weaker country, a weaker, more dangerous world. I don’t want to see that happen. I want to see us become a better country. And that’s why I’m warning people about Gavin Newsom. That’s why I’m publishing this book.
That’s why I’m appearing with you and getting this idea out. Well, talk a little bit about, I talk about this a great deal on this program, his energy policies, his car policies and things like that that have effect on other people, but also the immigration policy that he has there. You come in as an illegal immigrant, as you pointed out, you got Hugo Chavez and you got Castro promising all this free stuff to everybody, which is what the socialists and the Marxists do. But now we’ve got Gavin Newsom and other people like him promising it to people in other countries.
At least Hugo Chavez was promising it to the Venezuelans. He wasn’t promising it to the people from El Salvador or Peru or Mexico or whatever, but Gavin Newsom is promising it to the world. Just come here, get across that finish line, and you’re done. You can collect unemployment, you get free medical care and all the rest of this. Then, of course, that’s going to bankrupt us very rapidly. I think that was the plan. Cloward and piven economists talked about this years ago. So the welfare state is not growing quickly enough, and we can make it grow even faster and make people even more poor and more dependent on government if we can do this.
And I think that’s the real strategy that’s there. Talk about what is happening with the the immigration issues with Newsom. Yeah, the border. Well, this is a prime example of a false choice that gets demagogued all the time, David, and I’m a Jack Kemp Republican. I believe that the United States has benefited tremendously from bringing people who want to contribute to us into the country. Most other countries do the same thing. They have a very strong immigration policy that that welcomes people who want to contribute to our growth and our opportunity. But that’s not what’s happening with our southern border.
I mean, anybody and anybody can come across that border without any restrictions and without any knowledge of who they are or what they’re planning to do. That’s just as wrong as a total closing of every input to our country. We need to certainly, you know, get more people. Our kids are not having enough kids. I don’t want to see us end up like Japan, which has a no growth economy and has terrific problems caring for its elderly. We need to have some growth. We need to have controlled immigration. We need to know who’s coming into the country.
This is a false choice. The Democrats are just letting the borders completely open, which is just so incredibly wrong for our future. And, and frankly, it’s misleading to everybody who’s coming in as well. They think they’re going to come here and live a wonderful life and a lot of them discover that they’re just not going to be able to. That’s right. We need, you know, we need to make sure that our borders are secure. You can’t have a secure country without it. And, you know, this is another example of politicians who just aren’t leading. They’re just not leveling with the people.
And on both sides, frankly. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Because there’s a lot of, again, I should point out, legal immigration, knowing who the people are, that’s one thing. But no matter what they do at the border, if they’ve got this massive welfare magnet pulling people across and promising them free stuff, that’s the real issue. And we shouldn’t have a problem with people who want to work and people who want to be contributing to the economy. But we ought to know who’s coming in. You just had this massive in Ecuador, just massive prison breaks and drug cartels and everything.
So what are they doing in neighboring Peru and other countries are saying, well, we sent police to the borders and we said, you’re not coming in here unless you got some kind of paperwork from your government showing you don’t have a criminal record. We don’t do any of that stuff. So they’ll just come up here, you know, and come in and they are, yeah, they are coming up here and, you know, again, the politicians just dither and demagogue and they don’t get the job done. They need to be securing the border, but then they need to make it easier for quality people, for people who are interested in working hard and contributing to America.
And you’re absolutely right, by the way. The welfare state in America is what’s going to destroy us. I mean, we have got, we’re spending, what, six and a half trillion dollars this year. We’re only, and I say only raising four and a half trillion from the tax revenue, which, by the way, is a record. That’s a record amount of tax revenue. But the politicians in Washington are spending it and what are they doing? They’re maintaining a welfare state. Something like 80% of the people now are on Medicaid. They’ve expanded that all the way through all the states and governors like Newsom have willingly taken this money.
Interestingly, of course, DeSantis, Abbott, a lot of red state governors have refused it. And why? Because they know it’s a drug. It’s going to be there for one or two years and then it’s got to go because it’s unsustainable. And they don’t want to get tied into this drug. They don’t want to balance their budgets on Medicaid. They want to make sure that they’re sustainable. And it’s not sustainable for the government to have our entire medical system supported by the government. Our medical system should be free market, just like cars, just like energy, just like every other good or service.
It ought to be free market, ought to be driven by the private sector, it ought to be driven by innovation, it ought to be driven by competition. Putting it in the hands of the government is the surest way to destroy it. Well, I agree. And yet you look at these last three years, they don’t want your physician to even have a say so in your healthcare, let alone you. And when you look at the strings that come attached to this money that they give you. So that was kind of the way they rolled this thing out.
First they gave a massive bonuses, you know, to follow the Fauci protocols in the hospitals. You diagnose somebody as a COVID patient will give you a 20% bonus, and then the next year, after the bribery, what follows is the blackmail. We’re not only going to take away that bonus, but we’re going to take away all your Medicare Medicaid patients and bankrupt you if you don’t get all your staff shot, you know, with a vaccine. Yeah. And guess who are some of the, guess who are some of the biggest supporters of Gavin Newsom in California? Healthcare. Healthcare.
Healthcare entities. Yeah. That’s one thing we could talk about is how they rolled out the vaccine mandates in California. And I believe that was under newsom, wasn’t it, where they started saying, you’re not going to have any religious or medical exemptions for any of these childhood vaccines. They’ve been laying the groundwork for this kind of stuff for a long time. And I think it’s one of the reasons why I, Washington is pushing so hard to get everybody addicted to this Medicare because that’s going to be one of the most effective ways that they can use to control us and say, well, now you’re going to have to get the id or you’re not going to get any medical care.
We’ve already seen that done by gates in India with the Aadhar system. We’ll give you welfare, we’ll give you medical care, but you’re going to have to take the digital id. And so there’s all these strings that are attached to it. But they begin by bribing people. It’s always the federal government gives you an amendment and guess what, David, everybody is going to need healthcare at some point in their lives. So the more government can control a service like that, that almost everybody’s going to need, the more that government then control your life. This is an old playbook and Hugo Chavez used it, Castro used it.
You promise people something that they know they’re going to need and you tell them that government’s going to provide it and they’ll give you their power. And that’s what this is all about, David. It’s about a small group of people trying to control the population. And it’s the story of human history. You go back to the pharaohs, it’s the story of human history. The United States has stood out among all the countries that ever existed as a place where government was limited. The constitution was about limiting the scope and size of government. And along the way we really have lost that idea.
We’ve really let that idea slip and I think it’s time to bring it back. That’s what our proposal is all about with here the people putting those limits back on government. And I think the people, they do want to run their own lives. They don’t want government telling them how to live. That was Ronald Reagan’s plea to us. That was the key to his success and appeal. We need another Ronald Reagan. And that’s my, and that’s in the book too, by the way. So you’ll get the chance to read that. Well, you know, when you look at the rights, and as you correctly pointed out, it was about prohibiting government from interfering with our God given rights.
That’s what the Bill of Rights was about. It’s very clever. I remember when Obama was running for president and or shortly after he got elected, I can’t remember exactly when. He said it was at the very beginning and he said, and he taught this and he knew exactly what he was doing. But they have, they control the way that you perceive things by the terminology. And so he said, well, you know, I know that this is set up and we got prohibitions there for government. We call that negative rights. But, you know, a positive right is your right to healthcare or your right to an education or to housing or to this.
It’s like, oh, well, I want the positive stuff. I don’t want the negative stuff. And he completely turned it upside down by using those labels. And it had absolutely nothing to do with the constitution. He knew that. But he’s great at selling stuff, doesn’t he? I knew, I knew Obama very well. I’m from Illinois, I’m from Chicago, and I ran for the US Senate. And I once debated Obama for an hour and a half just on those ideas, education and healthcare. And, you know, David, you know what his big response to me was? We need government to help people with education and healthcare.
We can’t let people, and these are his words, fend for themselves. We can’t let people, people are too stupid in his, in his world, people are too stupid to choose their own healthcare or their own education. Government has to do it for them. And darned if that wasn’t his program on becoming president of the United States, he convinced the media that it was a great thing, that government should control your education. Government should control healthcare. You’re too stupid to choose it on your own. My answer was, people can choose their health care. People can choose education if they’re given the tools to do so.
And they want to choose that. And frankly, they should be able to because that means we have competition. And when you have competition, you have quality and you have lower paused. Obama didn’t want to hear that. I mean, he disagreed with me on that and we debated on, I wish I had a tape of that debate, by the way, because it was an hour and a half and he and I were the only ones there. And I wish you would beat him. I wish you would have beat him in the election. I’m sure you beat him in the debate.
I wish you’d beat him in the election. It would have been a very different world, wouldn’t it, if we had John Cox instead of Barack Obama? But, you know, that is a very, that’s the same kind of argument, John, that if you go back and you look at civil war history, we talk about civil war a lot. Everybody wants to talk about the civil war now. Well, you go back and you look at it and you got a lot of people who were plantation owners and slave owners, and they said, well, we realize this really isn’t a very good system and we feel bad about the fact that we’re controlling these people and enslaving them.
But, you know, it’s for their own good. If we let them loose, they just wouldn’t be able to survive. Right. You know, it’s not kind of paternalism that Obama is selling to, that’s a slave plantation mentality. And it’s actually the mentality of the plantation owners. Well, I have to enslave them for their own good. And that’s why Reagan’s message was so wonderful, because it was just so simple. You know, the eight most dangerous words in the english language is, I’m from the government and I’m here to help you. The stuff that Reagan said was so true to so many people.
You gotta get government out of the way. Government can’t be all things to all people. Government should do our defense because we don’t want people owning nuclear weapons and tanks and other things like that. So government should provide national defense, and that’s what the constitution specifically says. But on all these other things, healthcare, education, government shouldn’t be providing those things. Government should create the avenues for private industry to be able to provide those things. And that’s what we got to get back to. And yet, as I’m sure you’re aware, you’re talking about education. Biden’s education secretary.
So, you know, that’s our mission statement. I’m from the government. I’m here to help you. Totally oblivious to the fact that Reagan used that as the fearful words that everybody doesn’t want to hear. I’m sure you’re aware of that. It was really funny that he bought that. He bought into that and so few people called him on it. It truly is amazing to see that. Well, I think you’ve got a great plan. I’m sure that it’s a very, well, I know that it is a very relevant book. Gavin Newsom, whether there’s a presidential race or not, has a tremendous impact on everything across the country.
People need to understand where he’s coming from. A good example of an elitist politician that we don’t want to keep promulgating that system. And it’s great to see that in your book, you have a plan for how we can start from the bottom up to reform this without having to beg congress to reform themselves, which, of course, they will never do. Hearthepeople.org is where people can see that plan. I guess they can find your book on Amazon. Do you also sell it@hearthepeople.org? dot. Okay, good. So great talking to you, and I’m so grateful that you come up with this plan.
We need people to think outside of the box that they have put us into, and we need to look for state solutions, and we need to look for ways that we can. I look at this as essentially a way of nullification and a positive way to nullify this calcified system that has become so self interested and that it can’t be, it won’t respond to us and it can’t be reformed. So I think that’s a very important way to do it. And let me make this clear, by the way, here, the people is not partisan in any way.
Bernie, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump would agree on the same thing in one sense. Bernie Sanders talks about corporations and millionaires and billionaires. Donald Trump talks about the deep state and the media and the fake news. Right. Well, you know, here the people gets rid of both. Yes. Here the people puts the power back in the people’s hands, gets rid of the media influence and gets rid of the big corporations. And so I think people can look at it as a bipartisan, as a solution that both sides, that all the people can, can get around and believe is the right way for us to go.
I agree. And even as we try to engage and debate ourselves on social media and they try to censor us, this is a way that people can get directly involved. And it is something that is a personal, direct, person to person type of thing, grassroots moving up. These are all the things that we need to be looking to. These are all elements of what I think are going to be any successful solution. So thank you so much for doing that. Again, here are the people.org. and the book is Newsoms Nightmare, the newsom nightmare. And you’ll find that on Amazon.
Thank you so much for joining us. John Cox, appreciate it. Thank you, David, really, pleasure to be with you. Thank you. We’ve got just a little bit of time left and just enough time to, for me to thank Stephen Patterson. Thank you again, Stephen. That is very generous. I appreciate the tip on Rockfin, and we will, we’re about ready to go out, so I’ll just cut this short. Tomorrow we’re going to talk a little bit more about the pharmaceutical stuff that I did not get to today because there’s some very important updates on that. Yes, Fox News is out there trying to sell measles panic again.
Can we shut that down once and for all? But that’s always the way they begin and they keep going back to that. That’s their bread and butter, that’s their pharmaceutical sponsors that they’ve got there. Thank you for joining us. Let me tell you, the david knight show, you can listen to with your ears. You can even watch it by using your eyes. In fact, if you can hear me, that means you’re listening to the david knight show right now. Wow. Yeah. Good job. And you want to know something else? You can find all the links to everywhere to watch or listen to the show@thedavidknightshow.com.
that’s a website. I was hit by a jet ski, and I was told by a doctor that I may have only 5 hours to live if my liver had been totally destroyed. And I was faced with all of a sudden this idea that in 5 hours, I might be standing before the judgment seat of christ. I was 30 years old. I knew the bible very well. I was happily married. I had two kids. I was very much the epitome of a american christian. And I realized at that moment when it was real and I was laying on a gurney, I’m going to get before Christ, and this is going to be inadequate.
I will not go in with my head held high. What have I done to help all the hurting people out there? Not much. And I realized at that moment I never wanted to be in that situation again. Theology in books is one thing. Theology, when you’re laying on a gurney, realizing I might be seeing Christ in the next couple of hours, is another. When I was on the Los Angeles Police Department and I saw brutal, awful crime in a really horrific crime area, and then as I got into international business, I got to see that depravity is in $5,000 suits, just like it’s in do rags and running around with AK 47s.
We see over here on the nice americanized Christianity that we have that some people do seem totally transformed and some not. Lots of people claim to be Christians. Lots of people believe in Christ, but they don’t seem that much different than some of the stuff I saw in the streets of Los Angeles. What’s the difference? Jesus has given us the formula for that difference. In the sermon on the Mount, Jesus has this list of intense demands that he’s put upon us. Those are the things that are the requirements for living out this life with great joy and power in him.
Well, Christ has said, you can be my salt. You can be my light. You can be the change maker in this world if you follow me, deny yourself, pick up your cross daily, and by the way, when you’re that person, I will shower you with great rewards in eternity when you get there, and a content and joyful life here in this world where you’re seeing change and transformation around you as people see you, this great light of the Holy Spirit. Have you ever seen how some christians are so filled with great joy because they have lived up to the sermon on the mount of Christ.
Christ demands not for salvation, but for all the promises after salvation. And so we want to walk through that in a daring faith in a cowardly world, realizing that the world is counting on us to carry out the good works that Jesus laid down at the beginning of time for you and I to accomplish. And if we do that, we will reap great rewards from our master when we get to heaven and say, Lord Jesus, I live for you. I gave all for you and have him say, well done, my good and faithful servant. Okay. And that’s our guest, Ken Harrison.
And you saw the book there. This is newest book, a daring faith in a cowardly world. And so joining us now is Ken Harrison. He is volunteer chairman and CEO of Promise Keepers and he’s done a great deal of things in his life. But thank you for joining us, sir. Thanks, David. I appreciate it. It’s really important for us to. I think Promise Keepers has a very important message, especially for these times that we live in. And it is very important for men to understand what their role is. And you put that out there in a very positive way.
Tell us a little bit about the organization promise keepers. Well, Promise Keepers was the biggest men’s movement in the history of the church back in the nineties under coach Bill McCartney. So they were getting together men filling up NFL stadium, 60, 70,000 men at a time. I remember that. Yeah. And they actually had a gathering in Washington, DC in 97 called stand in the gap. Most people think it was called the million man march. It was called Santa Gap. And they had 1.4 million men together to worship Christ for the day. And it’s the biggest gathering in the history of Washington, DC.
So it was a pretty impactful organization. It sort of faded out of relevance for a while, but we’ve been coming back for the last few years. Well, that’s good. But yet, as we see so many times in the cancel culture, what is surprising is to see that christian venues are now canceling promise keepers because they don’t like anything that is masculine, anything that talks to men about keeping their promises that they make. Tell us a little bit about that and what’s been happening with that. It is truly amazing. I saw that and I just was really astounded because as you point out, promise Keepers was so big 2030 years ago, and now we got liberal churches.
Churches have gone so far to the left that they want to ban promise keepers for what they call their, you know, what is their gender ideology. Yeah. And it’s I would have been as shocked as you have. We went to Dallas Cowboys Stadium two years ago. We had 30,000 men there. It was a huge event. And then we thought, well, let’s do a bigger tour. We get letters from all over the world saying, could you come here? And we thought, well, instead of doing one huge event in one location, which takes so much, just a lot of stuff, let’s just go to churches.
Wouldn’t that be great? And we’ll go all over. We have found we’ve been canceled and canceled. And a lot of times, David, it’s not about ideology. A lot of times, it’s the complain about cowardice. So we had one church come to us. We met with the elders, and they said, listen, we agree with you on everything. We’re so sorry. We just don’t want any protesters. We don’t need anybody to think badly of us. We don’t want to be awful from our community. Right. And, I mean, if you’ve read the gospels, if you read the words of our Lord, you think, how in the world could you, as an elder of a church, literally say, I don’t want to be unpopular.
They need it worse than anybody at that church. That’s absolutely right. And that’s what’s happened. That’s what we see everywhere. That’s why the church is just disappearing, is because nobody will stand for the truth. And you look at that and you say, well, then maybe you don’t really believe it. So why am I coming to your church? You know, Ao Bernard is on our board. People think he’s. I don’t know if you know who Aaron Bernard is. He has a huge church in New York City, and a lot of people say, oh, he’s woke. He’s not woke.
He’s an incredibly brilliant man. Huge church in New York City with 40,000 people. And he said something to me that I thought was so profound. He said, ken, you know what the difference between a strong preference and a conviction is? No. Think about that. Everybody at home, listen. What is the difference between a strong preference and a conviction? A conviction is not negotiable. Yes, that struck me as so profound because when we see St. Jerome being barbecued face down in Rome, and after 15 minutes of him singing songs and laughing, he finally yells out, I’m done on this side.
You could turn me over. Now that’s a guy with convictions. Now we have churches saying, well, we don’t want protesters. That might make us uncomfortable. And the ironic thing about it is our tour is called daring faith. Because what we’re saying to men is you started this with at the beginning, what is our identity? Who are we? And as a church, we’ve gotten this wrong. And the greatest lie is the one that’s closest to the truth that brings you to the wrong conclusion. The lie that’s been seeded throughout the evangelical church is that we’re all sinners saved by grace.
Well, that’s true, but it’s only half true, because when you think you’re a sinner saved by grace and you stop there, that becomes your identity. I guess I’m a sinner instead, saved by grace, made into new creations in Christ Jesus for good works which were prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 210, we’ve been made new creatures, that the spirit of God has been deposited in each person who’s put their faith in Christ. Now we’re sons and daughters of the most high God, and we need to act like it. So the identity is a problem, because when men see, well, I’m just a sinner, then suddenly we see what we have today, which is, well, I struggle with porn, but I’m trying to do better.
No, you’re a new creature. You shouldn’t be struggling with porn. What did John say when everyone showed up on the launch of Jesus ministry? Jesus comes to get baptized. John looks up and looks at everybody and says, repentance, you brutal vipers. Who told you to repent for the coming of the Lord? Repent. And sow deeds consistent with your repentance. Yes, that’s something we hear in the church a lot today. And that was the beginning of Jesus ministry. That’s right. Yeah. It’s like, you know, if we’re going to be witnesses to people, we got to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth.
Right. I had George barn on. He was talking about how people like, oh, yeah, you know, it’s like a smorgasbord. We’ll bring a little bit of this thing over there and a little bit of that thing over there. You know, so we had some things that aren’t true to it, you know. But then the other part of it is that you’re talking about is that we don’t have the whole truth. You know, Jesus would constantly heal somebody, say, now go your way and sin no more. You know, you’ve been changed. And if we haven’t been changed and if we don’t have that sense of transformation that changes, then we need to go back and we need to say, well, have I really been changed? Have I been saved? You know, is that something there? Because if you have, it’s going to, it’s going to work itself out.
And so, so we need to constantly look at that and say, does my life really reflect what I say that it does? Am I really living that? And of course, today we’re seeing this more and more. That’s why, talking about promise keepers, you were kicked out of a private christian university in Nashville, out of a church in Cordova, Tennessee, out of a big church in Houston, and on and on. And I just looked at this. I was astounded. It’s like, what is wrong with telling people to keep their promises, you know, and be a good husband and a good father and that type of thing, that you’re encouraging men to take that role.
What have we gotten to in a society where that is something that people hate in churches or christian universities or as you pointed out, they’re afraid of the criticism that’s going to come their way. Yeah. I mean, the Bible says that in the last days, love of many will grow cold because of a lack of teaching doctrine. And, you know, when people listen to this, I think they think, well, is that, am I getting the whole story? I mean, maybe this Ken Harrison guy’s a real jerk. Or maybe promise has a bunch of. Right. I mean, we’re taught to think that way.
Yeah. And everybody, I’m not a jerk. And we really, we really have gone with the grace of the Lord. We just teach God’s word. One of the criticisms we get from people, because, you know, when you have people who want to spread hatred, they don’t. They’re not bogged down by truth. They say, whatever. And one of them is, well, we want to subjugate women. And I’m quoted all over the place as saying my role is not to tell women how to behave. I stay out of that. I’m not a pastor. I run promise keepers to here to tell men how to behave.
So I’m here to tell men how to be humble, gracious leaders in their home, biblically understood, so they can raise their kids. We don’t ever mention anything about women or anything like that. It’s all about humility. Who wouldn’t want a husband who’s humble and gracious and knows the Bible and raises his kids, right. So really, it’s unbelievable when you look at the fact that churches are walking away from this and it’s terrifying. And I will say, I think that there is a welcome change in the church coming in that I think Covid changed a lot of things when people realized that they could sit in the robe and watch Francis Chan on YouTube instead of the megachurch movement has taken over starting in the eighties where, you know, a really good speaker with good music ended up with this massive campus, and people all went there and it was nameless and faceless.
And they did their church thing and they went home. Well, culture no longer values going to church. And now I don’t need to go to church and be nameless and faceless because I can watch it on YouTube. So I think what’s church about? Church is about lifting brothers and sisters up in Christ and sharpening each other. So church is about relationship and teaching biblical doctrine. So for those churches that are teaching biblical doctrine, and there’s relationships, and I’m telling you, it starts with the men, because women naturally make relationships, but men don’t. Those churches are going to be the ones who flourish.
And I think we’re going to go back more to a local church where people really know each other, they raise each other’s kids instead of this nameless, faceless mega church. And I tell you, that’s going to be a welcome time. I agree. I agree. I’ve seen this in terms of silver linings and what happened in 2020 from the standpoint, I’ve talked for the longest time to people about schools, and it’s like, you know, don’t, don’t put your, you know, be careful about what the institution is. Oh, it’s not, it’s not my school or it’s not our school here.
And even if it is our school, it’s not my classroom. And then they were able to see what was actually being taught in the classroom. And so that was a real, you know, wake up moment for people. Just like a lot of the Zoom church stuff was a wake up. And, and churches said, well, you know what? They’ve said that there’s a sickness going around, so maybe we just, it’s not important enough for us to get together, you know? So you see some things like this, and it’s been really kind of an opportunity for people to reevaluate the sincerity of the institutions and to re evaluate what is actually happening in their lives.
And so I do agree with you. I think it’s not going to be everybody, but it’s going to be. Certainly a lot of people have awakened to what was going on in their schools, what was going on in their churches as they saw this stuff being locked down. And so that’s the unintended positive consequences, I think that God is using. Give us an idea. You mentioned a little bit of this, but tell us a little bit about what a promise keepers rally is about. So this is men talking to men like men. And so when you look at a marriage, you need to have a mother and a father.
For an optimal raising of a kid, it’s not always possible. But when little Johnny skins his knee, he needs mom there to say, johnny, it’s okay. Let me put a bandit on. Let me kiss it, make it better. Well, every once in a while, Johnny needs dad to go. You’re not that hurt. Get up and get going. Okay, right? That’s right. Yeah. In our society, we’re lacking dads. And so what we have is so many victims running around. Well, my dad was mean, and so now I’m screwed up. And I. My coach didn’t play me and, you know, excuses.
And so what we’re here to say is, look, that may be true. You may have had a bad father or no father or maybe a lot of things. Now what are you going to do about it? It’s time to stand up and be counted as a man of God because your wife, your kids are counting on you to be a man, exercise self control. So that’s what this is really about. So these are many events. They’re Friday night only. They go from, depending on the city, like 06:00 to 09:00. The first one will be New York City on December 1.
And it’s going to be actually globally simulcast for free to, to the whole world. So anybody who’s not near New York City can just go sign up@promisekeepers.org and get the simulcast. We’re trying to do that through churches because again, we want to drive relationship amongst men. We don’t want sitting at home in their robe. We want them out with other men. But we’re going to take on real issues. We’re going to have Beckett Cook there, who was a Hollywood major Hollywood presence, homosexual, who got saved and completely changed his life, went to Talbot seminary. So, Beckett, tell us, you know, we’re going to have an interview.
Tell us, how do you witness to homosexuals? How should we approach them? How did you get saved? What if our kid comes to us and says that they’re struggling with this issue, like real issues? We’re going to deal with depression. You know, 80% of suicides in America are for middle aged men. So we’re going to deal with mental health, but it’s all wrapped around Christ because that’s all that really matters. Yeah. How can we live our lives for Jesus Christ abandoned him. So it’s going to be very interesting. This is not celebrity driven. This is not come see the big speaker or the big singer.
None of that. This is 3 hours of sober worship sharpening each other and real information that you just can’t get anywhere else because we’re not going to screw around. We’re not going to tell you, you’re just so fine and everything is just so great. We’re going to deal with the real issues as Christ did. Repent. The kingdom of God is at hand, right? That’s right. Well, that’s good. So promise keepers.org dot. The first event is going to be December 1, in case your church is nothing telling you about it, but the people can find the live stream there and, and then what is.
You’ve got events that are scheduled throughout the next year, I guess, as well, right? 2024. We should have a lot of them. We can’t announce any of them yet because we have a whole bunch that are almost solidified. And to be honest with you, I’ve learned that I have to make sure that everything is solid before I announce. So unless we get canceled. Yeah, well, that’s what we’re seeing with the libraries. You know, libraries have been taken over the drag queen storytime hours. And so you have, I mean, as you had, I can’t think of his name, the actor who started, yes, Kirk Cameron.
As he started going around doing, they started canceling them left and right. And then if they couldn’t cancel it, they created disturbances there and everything. I mean, it truly is amazing. The other people have beliefs that they hold very dear and they will fight against those. I mean, we’re even seeing now for the third time this woman who quietly goes to abortion clinic and prays silently for the third time, she’s been arrested. It’s just amazing to see that level of persecution all over the place. But as you point out, it is everywhere we turn, men are being denigrated, being mocked as Homer Simpsons with nothing at all to contribute, even to the extent they’re replacing the caveman with a cave woman.
It’s kind of ridiculous. But tell us a little bit about your books. Your first book was rise of the servant king. What the Bible says about being a man. Tell us a little bit about that. We’ll get into the newer book after that. But tell us first about the rise of the servant kings. Yeah, that one is a really no nonsense approach on being a godly man. And it’s full of La cop stories because I was an La policeman, as you said. I’d done a lot of things. And so there’s some stories in there that the publisher was like, whoa, you don’t see these in christian books.
And a lot of real positive feedback. In fact, I’ve gotten hundreds of letters from women who’ve read it and been blessed because it’s really a discipleship book dressed up and then being a man, because you got to learn how to be a disciple of Jesus Christ, to learn how to be a real man. That’s right. So there’s that one, and then the next one that came out recently is daring faith in a cowardly world, which I love that title, and I didn’t come up with it. The publisher did, Thomas Nelson. But it basically says that, again, we talk about identity.
People think that you said the prayer, you’re saved, and now you just have yours, and it’s time. There’s nothing left to do instead. Actually, when you read what Christ said over and over, in fact, his final words in revelation 22, he says, behold, I’m coming quickly, and my reward is with me to give to each person according to what he has done. Christians. So the idea here is there will be a judgment seat of Christ, second corinthians 510, that we’ll all stand before Jesus Christ doesn’t care what we did before we were saved. We were dead in our sins.
We were saved by grace through faith alone. However, after we were saved, our lives do matter and we will be judged. And Jesus says, behold, if the person who perseveres doing good works, I will pull them up onto my throne to sit it with me at my father’s right hand. And at the end of Matthew 24, he says that the servant I come to find serving me will be put in charge of many things. And so the idea here is there’s a reason to have daring faith because it will matter for a tiring eternity will be rewarded.
Those who really walk with Christ and those who didn’t have. And just to put a cherry on that, because of promise keepers, I get to talk to all these famous pastors and be friends and everything. And famous theologian who called me out and said, hey, man, I got to tell you, I read your book. I heard about good works for christians. And he goes, I sat down with a pen to shred it, and I was going to go on my radio show and tear you to pieces. And he goes, when I got done with your book, I was completely convinced, and now I can’t unsee it every time I open my bible, it’s good works rewards.
Good works rewards. He goes, how did I miss this all these years? Yeah, that’s what. That’s what that book is about. And that’s this challenge of this tourist. Men, your lives matter greatly. And because we think our lives don’t matter is why we’re dropping the ball. Because David and I know you talk about this, but think about it. What they’re doing to our children here in Colorado. When you’re six years old, you go to school, they want to know what gender you are. And I just had someone telling me their daughter went to school for her first day of first grade.
And, you know, are you a boy or a girl? I’m a girl. Are you sure you’re a girl? Do you want to be a boy? I’m really trying to talk her into being something other than she is. Why are we not so outraged about what they’re doing to our kids instead to circle back? I see churches that are caught up in bureaucracy and money and not having protesters and man, oh, man, they’re tearing at the core of who we are as a people. We as the people of Christ ought to just have our hearts being ripped out and in love, doing everything we can, because, as you said, the other side actually believes this nonsense because they’re deceived by the evil one.
Our enemies are not flesh and blood, but they’re the powers and the authorities and powers of darkness. We need to be waking people up to the truth, because people know the truth when they hear it. And when they really hear truth, they’re going to have one reaction or another. They’re either going to repent or they’re going to hate you. That’s what happens. Because they’re going to be utterly in their deception. Second, Thessalonians, chapter two and Romans, chapter one. Some people are just completely abandoned to their evil and they’re going to hate you. You’re promised. Jesus promises us that they’re going to hate us, but.
And some people we can rescue. And what a glorious day that is. That’s why we’re here on this world. I just want to wake up, stop being so dang comfortable, stop looking for the approval of the world, and start looking for the approval of the one who matters, Jesus Christ. If you have an audience of one, it’s amazing how easy life gets because you don’t care what anybody else thinks. Right? It sure. More joyful. That’s right. Such great advice. Yeah. You know, we look at things and it’s so easy to fall off one side or the other and get things unbalanced.
And so our response to a lot of people who think that they can earn their way into heaven is to say, no, you can’t do that. There isn’t any way that you can undo what has happened. Only Christ can undo that. But then, as you point out, if we don’t look at the fact that he’s saved us two good works and to do good things, that’s the other. You know, we can get on one side of the extreme or the other. You know, it can be all about works, or we can all be about grace only.
But it’s the combination of those two things that are so important to try to get those in the proper understanding and understand. You know, now that we’re at this point, you know, I think of the, everybody’s, everybody knows a parable of the talents. And we, that’s now, because of the way that was translated as a unit of silver, it was an amount of money that was given to these people and Jesus parable. Now, people have said, well, you know, you have certain talents, things that God has given you. What are you going to do with that? And when we look at that parable, the people who don’t do anything with what they were given, they get strong, strong condemnation from Jesus.
Right? And so that’s the key thing. That’s where we are right now. You know, look at all of the things that God has given us. He has given us not only forgiveness, but he’s given us abilities. What are we going to do with that? Where we are? That’s the key thing that christians need to be asking themselves right now. And we have just stopped short of that in so many churches that got the part of the gospel right, but they also just stop at that point and don’t go any further. You know, that parable, I go into it in detail, but you’ll notice the first two servants are given a certain amount of money, and they go invest it, and they take risks.
The last sermon doesn’t do anything with it. And why not? He doesn’t want to take any risk. And what does Jesus say? Throw him into the outer darkness. Okay, so, number one, there’s this contempt for him because he was a coward. And number two, what’s the outer darkness? Because these guys are all christians. They’re in heaven. So did he lose his salvation? No, actually, it’s pretty clear as you look at over and over again, what he’s thrown out of is the wedding feast of the lambs. That the wedding feast will be the great culmination of all of history and all the saints are going to be there.
And this is why he has weeping and gnashing of teeth. People think that’s hell or pain. It isn’t. In the near east, weeping means sorrow and gnashing of teeth means anger. He’s angry at his wasted life and he’s looking at the wedding feast of the lamb and he’s not allowed in because he wasted what God gave him. And I want to wake people up and say, don’t be that person. Be the first two servants who went and served the Lord with what they had. And that takes courage. And the other thing I want to wake people up to is we have swallowed another lie of intellectualism where we think if you these guys who sit in their library surrounded by books and criticize other pastors, somehow this is the varsity level of Christ.
Just look at the Bible. Everything is about courage. Everybody in the Bible, everything is confrontation. It’s screwed up people who are giving all for Christ, they stood up for something. Hebrews chapter eleven is a great hall of faith. These are such screwed up people, but they just kept going. We’re all going to screw up, but are we going to be courageous? Are we going to do everything it takes to raise godly kids and say, little Sam or little Jane, what are you learning in school? Let’s look and see how that. What does scripture say about that? And getting a little more about our school board.
What’s going on? Just the gal at Starbucks with the tattoos and the nose ring with a dour look on her face and saying, hey, are you okay? Can I pray for you? Is there one thing I can pray for you today? I’m telling you, if you start doing that, I do it all the time. It’s amazing how much of my day gets quote wasted because I’ll spend 2 hours with some woman crying on my shoulder with mascara all over my shirt about her life and try to walk her through Christ, try to find her a good church everywhere we go.
It’s a promise keepers thing that we always say. If there’s one thing I could pray for you, what would it be? It’s amazing what that unlocks with people, but you better be ready. And it’s harder to get that with men. A woman will tell you what may tell you that, but it’s going to be much harder to get that from a man, especially if you don’t have a relationship already. Even with a relationship, it’s harder to get men to talk. And that’s why something like promise keepers is really important, because we’re just not wired that way to open up and to talk to other people.
Well, the cool thing here for promise keepers is we’ve got to teach men that being a man comes from your heart and your character, not from your performance. Say that again. It comes from your heart, your character, not your performance. We say, what is a man like? Oh, a man is somebody who goes hunting and who can grow a great beard like David Knight or is tall and has a deep voice, or he’s a cop or a Navy seal. Or a man is someone with. It comes from inside. It’s your integrity. It’s who you are. I will defend my family no matter what.
I will provide for my family no matter what. If I get laid up for my job and times are tough. If I got to work at McDonald’s, I’ll work at McDonald’s. Whatever it takes to stand by my kids and my wife, to guard my thoughts and my mind so that all of my sexual energy goes towards my wife and nobody else. Now, these are things that we talk about come from the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. You cannot do this through self effort. You must do it. You’re dying to self daily. And as you die to self daily.
Matthew five seven is the whole core of being a disciple. Jesus there is not giving the recipe for salvation. He’s giving the recipe for becoming a disciple. As we die to self daily, we can really become men. It comes from the inside. And suddenly we find out that, I don’t care if you’re four foot ten and 80 pounds. You have a heart of a lion and a heart of integrity, then honesty and courageous because you become a man of God. But it’s another thing we have to wipe out, is this idea that masculinity is performance driven.
It’s not. It’s heart and integrity driven. Yes, I agree. I couldn’t agree with that more. Yeah. I’ve said many times that if you’re looking to Christ, that is a leverage point, a fulcrum that’s outside of this world, and that gives you a tremendous amount of leverage to change this world because it’s coming from that. It’s coming. Your focus is not even on changing the world. That’s going to be an outcome that comes from your focus on Christ having an eternal focus with that. But it is very important, as you point out, it’s so difficult for men to see this.
Women just naturally fall into this. They fall more into their relationships. They like school better than we like school. They like church better than we like church. It’s just a natural thing for them. And so men need to have a little bit more of an encouragement, a counseling, and to understand the importance of the one another helping one another. That’s the key thing. And I think it’s very important for promise keepers. I’m glad that you’re reviving this, that it is now coming back. It really isn’t needed at this point in time. Here’s why men have always been relationships by doing things together.
Because if you look at the history of the world, you had to do things together to survive. So somebody was a hunter, and somebody was a farmer and a rancher and a black blacksmith and all that stuff. So you came together in communities and you had to share skills. And then we learned who we could trust and who we couldn’t. We saw them in stressful situations. And if you were not a good guy, you were ostracized. And if you’re a good guy, you’re elevated in the town. Women make relationships by communicating. And so now what we see is, because of all our technological advancements, the world today is all about communicating.
It’s all about Facebook and social media. None of that is masculine. In fact, it’s demasculating. And our churches have fallen into that, too. So you come to church and you have a chat, and maybe you get together and have tea. If you’re really godly, you get together and have a Bible study at 630 in the morning on a Friday. But there’s nothing in that having to do with doing things together as men. And that’s where pastors have to be intentional. Get men together, because I can have lunch with you, David, for 20 years, once a week, but we won’t really be friends.
But I’ll tell you what. We go hunting for three days in the backwoods, and you shoot an elk that’s 300 yards away across another mountain range. You got to call clean that thing and carry it out. Now we’re friends. Because now I’ve seen what you’re really like under stress, and you’ve seen that I’m like, under stress. You’ve seen how much we hold each other’s work. That’s what creates relationships amongst men. And so we have to be intentional about that now because we don’t need each other anymore. I mean, I can order Uber eats and I can get stuff delivered from the grocery store.
And men are being more and more isolated. So it’s fine. There’s nothing wrong with women communicating naturally, and men make relationships by doing. But then again, we have to be intentional. So, promise keepers, what we’re trying to do is tell men, don’t get together for Bible study. Get together with guys who are golfers and golf or hunters and hunt or fishermen or skiers, whatever it is that you do. And then Bible study will come from that. But if you try to get together and sit around, you’ll just try to do a religious thing and it won’t last, but get together and do something that matters and then have scripture and prayer out of that, and boy, you will become.
You’ll have true friends. That’s a great idea. Yeah, absolutely. I think that’s right. I see on your board, one name that sticks out to me is Randy Alcorn. And of course, he. I know Randy from his. His works. He’s done a lot of fiction novels he did that are very well written. He was a pastor who was at an abortion clinic and they got a judgment against him. And for over 20 years, he didn’t take a penny. He took like the minimum, which is like $8,000 a year. Said he didn’t give any of the money to Planned Parenthood and just donated all the money from these novels, which were very successful.
But he’s also written about heaven, and he’s very much focused on what we’re not going to be just doing nothing, floating around on clouds, contemplating our navel. It would be an opportunity for us to work and to create and get involved in a lot of things. I like his analysis and his way of thinking, but he also writes a lot about money because Jesus talked a lot about money. And that’s one of the key things with men as well. Talk a little bit about what you tell people about money with promise keepers because that’s such a powerful drag on our lives.
Just like sex and many other things. But money has so much of a grip on our lives. Tell people what you tell men about money. You think about the things in life that are the greatest blessing. They also could be the biggest curses. Right. Sex. Right. Sex is an incredible thing. It procreates species amongst marriage. I wrote in rise of servant kings that sex is the only thing differentiates a marriage from any other relationship. Because anybody can share a bank account and raise kids together. It’s makes the two one flush. It’s extremely precious. And that’s why sex outside of marriage is such a great sin.
Fire. Think about fire. What a great blessing you need to survive. Think about how destructive water you need water. But, boy, water can do destruction. Money is freedom. If you have a healthy attitude about it, is the freedom to do what you’d like to do. Whenever I have some money and I’m going to spend it on something major, I think, okay, I have. I’m going to go buy a new truck. I have $50,000 in my hand. I can do anything with this $50,000. I want to. From getting clean water in Africa to fighting aids to buying a big diamond ring.
Like, whatever I want to do is this truck what I choose to give that to. And it’s a healthy attitude when you actually think that way. Debt is bondage. Debt will destroy you. Especially today, we have, a lot of people are going to end up in massive, massive problems because interest rates have taken off. If you hit a bunch of credit card debt or you hit floating interest rates with what’s going on, people are going to get crushed. I’m not trying to be, who’s the money guy in Nashville? I forget his name now. He’s always saying, get out of debt.
His name is escaping me as well. Yeah, my wife loves him. If you’re a debt, get out of debt. The thing about money, I actually had somebody come to me, he’s an NFL football player. And he said, look, I have this love of money I can’t get over. And I said, you don’t have a love of money. What do you mean? I go, money is a symptom. It’s not the disease. If you pull up money, there’s something else. Why do you want money so bad? Is it because you lack faith and you think that I never have enough money? I run a huge foundation and we had one woman who we went to to give some of her money away, and she said, oh, no, I only have $100 million.
I have to make sure I can pay the gas she had inherited from her husband. She didn’t know what the value of a dollar washing. So money is great freedom if you understand what to do with it. And it’s a terrible curse because it shows who you are. So if you’re a greedy person, why are you greedy? It’s pride. So if I have a million dollars, what would I do with the million dollars? I want to go and buy a Ferrari. Well, maybe I really like really fast cars, but probably I want the Ferrari so everybody will look at me and think how cool I am, right? I’m not going to judge that person, but what is it I want to do with money? So that’s the thing we tell men cash, freedom, debt, bondage.
If you’re trying to accumulate lots of money, why is that? Because there’s people dying. There’s people who need stuff. And I think it’s okay to be comfortable. You know, there’s a conversation you can have. I mean, I’ll tell you that I used to run a huge company, as you think you also know from a resume. I used to have a thousands of employees and made lots of money and create lots of jobs. And I don’t make take any money. Now, I think you know that from promise keepers. I get paid zero. Right. But there’s nothing wrong with having money because we can all judge.
Well, what is a lot of money? Well, one day I was in a meeting with a couple of major, major pastors and I had to leave. And, and Guy said, well, you got to leave, Ken. Why do you have to leave? I go, I got a plane to catch. He said, you have a plane to catch. And the other pastor looked at him and goes, yeah, Ken flies commercial. And they both start laughing. You don’t have a private jet? I said, no. And they’re kind of mocking me. And I go, you know, there’s something kind of telling about the fact that the two guys who live off the tithe money of others have private jets, and the guy who’s created tens of thousands of jobs flies on southwest.
I’ll leave that there. And they both laughed, but boy, hey, that’s between them and the lord. I’m not going to condemn them for it, but I’m going to say, for me, Southwest Airlines is just plain adequate. And flying somewhere for $400 is a lot different than flying there for 15,000 on a private plane. But everyone has to be their own judge and be convicted in their own heart by the holy spirit. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that’s Dave Ramsey. Eventually. Yeah, eventually it gets there. Just, it’s a little bit slower now, but it’s got all these extra pads that’s got to go around blockages, I guess, to get there.
But, yeah, Dave Ramsey. The older we get, the older we get. Dave Ramsey was always about staying out of debt, and that’s really good advice we don’t want to make. But again, with anything that we do, we can always become obsessive about it. And I’ve seen people have gotten obsessive about getting out of debt and everything, but it is, as you point out, it is a bondage, and it’s a very dangerous time to be in that kind of debt, especially. It’s just to me, it’s just criminal what they’re doing with the credit card rates now that they can get away with 29%.
I know that’s. That’s, like, the average. It’s just astounding to me that we allow that to happen, but it’s just another one of these things where, you know, everybody just, like, just passively accept it instead of trying to change it. Tell us what the seven promises of the promise keepers are. All right, I’m on vacation, and I cannot walk through all seven of them right now. Well, first one, I’ve got them in front of me, so I’ve got a cheat sheet here. Thank you. Honor God. Honor God. Tell us a little bit about that, and we’ll do the next one.
You know, honor God is the whole point of our lives. Right? And how do we point that out? And one of the things I point out all the time is honor God. We were just talking about how you can change things to a negative that are a positive. One of those things is honoring the name of the Lord and not using the Lord’s name in vain. Right. And a lot of people think that means saying God for something. Oh, God, I can’t believe you just did that. That’s certainly not a healthy thing. But that is not using the Lord’s name in vain.
Using the Lord’s name in vain is actually something much more nefarious and something done all the time in the church. And let me tell you right now, I cannot tell you. I speak all over the country. How many people walk up to me and say, the Lord told me that you. Right. How many times have I said, I have a word from the Lord? I don’t know this person. I have a word from the Lord. And my first response is, what verse is it? Yeah, but people manipulate and use others with this business of putting things in the name of the Lord that are not in the name of the Lord? And I could keep going.
People who come up with doctrinal points and say, well, God said this. Well, you shouldn’t drink alcohol, because when Jesus drank alcohol, it was really just grape juice. Well, maybe it was and maybe it wasn’t, but you don’t know that. Right? So using the Lord’s name in vain is attributing things to God that God didn’t say. Right. And I use example in rise of sermon kings on this. We talk about how somebody said they gossiped about another person or slandered that person, and they said, even Ken Harrison agrees with me. Well, in fact, I didn’t agree with him.
This buddy called me up and said, hey, he said, you agree? I said, actually, I don’t. But he was using Ken Harrison’s name. Invented that, right. Trying to give himself authority by attaching it to me. That’s what we do to the Lord all the time. So honoring God, there’s a lot I could go into on that, but rather than to preach a whole sermon, I just want to pull that one thing out. Don’t concentrate on the little, easy, obvious God as a little euphemism. Make sure that you look at your heart and you’re not using and attributing things to God that are not God.
They’re really you. Your opinion, and maybe your opinion is true, but it’s better to say in my opinion or the way I read this passage or my life experience has told me. Right, but. But do not go around saying, thus is the Lord. If he didn’t say it, that makes you a false prophet. Yeah, yeah. Kind of a name dropping that’s out there, you know? And, you know, I also look at it. I heard somebody say once, we call ourselves christians, you know, that really comes from kind of a combined thing of Christ’s men. Right. And so.
And Jesus said, why are you calling me Lord, Lord, if you don’t do what I say? And so we can. We can. By calling ourselves christians, we don’t really care what Jesus says. That’s a way, I think of taking God’s name in vain. But, you know, there are people who deliberately do it, and I find that, that. I’ve told the story to my audience before Karen and I, years ago, probably about 25 years ago, so we went to see Penn and Teller perform, and. Yeah, and they’re funny, but he, at the end of his, kind of, towards the end of the thing, after they’d been there for a while, he starts talking about language.
He says, you know, I really hate it when people use the f word. They use it for every form of speech. They use it as an adverb and an adjective and all the rest of the stuff. And he goes, it just makes you look stupid because you don’t have any vocabulary. So I refuse to use that. He says, I deliberately take the name of Jesus in vain because I want to blaspheme. I don’t believe any of that stuff. My wife and I got up and walked out, but it was really very deliberate from him. A lot of people don’t realize that they’re doing that, but I think, as you point out, this name dropping or to say that I’m a Christ follower when you’re really not.
That really is a very serious thing. I think that we need to look at ourselves and say, well, am I guilty of doing that in a different way? You mentioned your second promise is brotherhood. Tell us a little bit about that. Brotherhood is one of the things that we hear so often now is about we shouldn’t let men get together unsupervised by women. I didn’t bring up a different church. There’s another mega church that we’ve been having problems with right now that a bunch of major leaders have come together and said, we want you to go to this church.
And the pastor of that church actually called me and said, I have a question for you. Yeah. Why aren’t women allowed to promise keepers events? Because it’s a men’s ministry. Well, I just don’t think that’s right. Well, I said, let me ask you, do you have women’s gatherings? Women’s? Well, yeah, all the time. So why do you have women’s gatherings all the time and not men’s gatherings? Why is it that you’re only critical of men’s gatherings? Well, that’s a good point. Well, let me ask you this then. Why don’t you have any women pastors preaching to the Mendez? I said, let me ask you a point.
Why are you so obsessed on that? Yeah, if we’re men talking to men like men, why would I want a woman there? Because when you put one woman in, it changes how men behave. Men will be authentic. You go to promise keepers event, you’ll see guys falling on their faces in tears. I mean, the stories that come out of these events have changed lives. But when there’s a woman there, men feel like they need to change, whether it’s fair or not. I’m not saying it’s fair, I’m just saying what it is. It was amazing to me that in our culture, another thing is when somehow men are not allowed to get together, there must be something going on in there that we don’t know about.
It’s amazing things. So, you know, again, I’m taking these things on in a small way, but brotherhood is very important. Men need to get together with other men and just hang out as we talked about a little bit. And sometimes women don’t totally understand that. But I think when you put it the other way, one of the things I teach people, I was just asked this the other day, gee, you’ve been married for 33 years. What’s the secret to having a great marriage. And I said, well, I got 30 seconds to answer that question. I will just say, empathy.
Empathy is the number one thing. Put myself in the shoes of my wife and say, how does what I just say sound to her right? Or anybody else? But in sake of marriage, this thing here, too, for women to think, well, when women get together and have tea or whatever, it’s all no big deal. Same thing with men. And women need to stop and just go, you know what? For my husband to get together with godly men and go golfing and go fishing, those are important things, because this is how men sharpen each other, is by doing thing together.
So brotherhood is incredibly important. And again, the lies of Satan and the world are trying to keep men from getting together, because if they do, they just might plot how to make the world a better place. That’s great. I love that. Integrity. Another promise. Integrity. That is at the heart of being a man. What will I compromise? As we talked about, what’s a conviction and what’s a strong preference? Will I give all for the truth? You know that revelation 21 eight has a list of eight sin. It says, if you are typified by these sins, you are not saved.
It literally says, here’s eight sins. If you’re an adulterer, a murderer, a sorcerer, an idolater, all liars will for sure have their share in the lake of fire that burns forever and ever. I left the first one out. You know what the first one on that list is? It’s pretty shy. Cowards. Cowards is the thing that God says. I’m going to start this list off of people that shows for sure you’re not a christian coward. It doesn’t mean if you’ve committed a cowardly act, because I think we all have. Yeah. If it defines you, just like lying.
You know it’s defined. Yeah. So integrity. Because so much of a lack of integrity comes from cowardice. Right. I even say it’s funny because the list starts with cowards and ends with all liars. Well, liars and cowards are kind of the same thing. I mean, why do most like as. They’re cowards, right? Yeah. They’re trying to create something that’s not really true about themselves because they’re afraid of something somewhere. Integrity is. I will not depart from the truth, no matter what the cost. And that takes great courage. Courage is, again, one of those things. All these are the things we can define.
They mean something. I know what it means to be pious. I know what it means to be generous. But courage is sort of this all encompassing thing. What is courage? And courage is integrity. It says, I will not bend no matter the cost. What’s that going to take? And I define courage and during faith in the cowardly world as refusing to compromise no matter what the cost is. Whereas cowardice is not doing the right thing because of fear for something, because we’re all afraid. And the guy that charges the machine gun nest in the middle of a war, he’s terrified.
He just does what needs to get done. That’s right. Yeah, that’s a great definition. Family. Talk about that. What is the promise of family? Malachi, chapter three. People are like, Malachi. What is that? Malachi is one of my favorite books in the Bible. Everybody listening? If you have a chance to read Malachi, it’s the last book of the Old Testament and it’s absolutely fascinating. I preach whole messages on Malachi, but in Malachi, chapter three, God says, I hate divorce because. Because why? Because I’m jealous. For godly offspring. Family is the most important thing you can do as a man of God, is to raise godly kids, to pass it on to the next generation.
There’s lots of things that we have to do. I’m not minimizing other things, but I am saying that being coach McCartney, who started promise keepers, used to say the most loving thing that a man can do for his kids is love their mother. That’s a hard statement, especially if you’re divorced or you had bowel problems. But literally, most loving thing you can do for your kids is to love their mother. Godly man needs to be dedicated to his family because this is the building block of the church of community. If you have a strong family with godly kids, with a happy wife, because she knows she’s cherished by her husband.
Another free advice thing I’ll give on family and marriage because I get asked about this a lot. The number one complaint you get from men is what in marriage, a lack of intimacy. Then there’s money and there’s in laws. Those are the three big things. But the lack of intimacy is number one by far. I tell guys absent a whole long thing to tell them, usually a lack of mental miscellaneous because your wife doesn’t feel cherished. If your wife feels cherished, that means she feels safe, protected. She is the. The apple of your eye. I’m telling you, it has a massive effect on the intimacy level up in a marriage.
That’s fantastic. Yeah, that’s fantastic. Great advice of serving, serving. It’s an amazing thing. The godliest person is always the one who serves the most, not the one who rules the most. And we really have power. Wrong when we look at Jesus Christ, right? So we have the ultimate power. Jesus said, I can call down angels and wipe all these people out right now if I want to. But instead he lowered his head in humility and he says, that’s the person I’m going to elevate in the last days. See, Ephesians chapter three says that it’s a fascinating verse that I’d read a million times, that a friend of mine, Tim Dunn, points out to me one day, and I’m like, how could I not have seen that? It says that God is teaching the full extent of his wisdom to the powers and the authorities in the heavens from the church, which is you and me, David.
Now, what world do you or I have to teach the angels that have run for millions of years? What’s the one thing? What’s the one experience that we have that they don’t have? We live life by faith. This is our one chance, this lifetime that we have. The Bible says that the angels look on us with fascination. They can’t understand it. They see things as they really are. We see things as through glass, darkly, it says, I think it’s in James. So this is the one chance we have to make a massive impact for the rest of our lives.
What will we do today? And this is why it’s so important to not be tied into what does the world think? What’s the world’s opinion? Truth is eternal. It’s not dictated on what the United States of America’s culture happens to think it’s dictated on. What does God say at the beginning and the foundations of time. This is truth. I have a very strong conviction on gravity, and therefore you won’t find me walking up to a cliff and jumping off. Right. Do I have that same conviction on the trust, on the promises that the Lord Jesus made in the Bible? Frankly, no, I don’t.
I have a lot of faith compared to most people. But Jesus isn’t comparing me to most people, comparing me to the truth of heaven. How far am I in that conviction? Could you or I be like St. Jerome being barbecued and singing songs and going, I can’t wait to get to heaven? Because bands, my reward can be great. I don’t know that I ever will be, but I sure am striving towards. That’s fantastic. Number six, unity. Unity. Really, a lot of that goes around racial reconciliation, which is something that Promise Keepers was really big in the nineties.
Promise keepers, actually kind of the originator of diversity and all that, bringing different races together. I do think, like we talked about earlier, it’s one of those things that can become a God. It can take over where you’re at. You’re saying, I’m just going to love a black man today because I’m white and I’m going to. Well, that’s not going to do anybody any good, is it, coming from a heart of Christ? So unity is about unity in every aspect. If you look at our board, you started to mention our board of directors, and Randy Elkhart’s on our pastors board.
And I’ve known Randy for, she’s 45 years. I’ve tried to get him on. When I reached out to him last time, his wife was dying of cancer, and I certainly understood he wasn’t doing interviews at that point in time. Yeah, he’s a good guy. But if you look at our board, we have Senator Lankford, who’s a baptist pastor before he became a us senator. And we have Sam Rodriguez, who’s a pentecostal pastor. And we have Pentecostals, Baptists, everybody around. And we’re unified around the cause of what we’ve been talking about, not around doctrinal differences. And we have great doctrinal differences.
I mean, Sam Rodriguez and I, we’ve had some two hour great debates on different doctrinal issues. And we love each other and never is there anger. So unity is around racial unity, about understanding other people have different experiences. It’s also understanding theological differences. It’s okay to disagree. It’s okay if you believe in speaking in tongues and I don’t. It’s okay if you’re a pre trib, you know, pre trib and I’m post millennial. And all those things, these are things just to sharpen each other and have good conversations on. I just had a pastor of a small church, but very intellectual.
He gave a great podcast on post millennial, which is something I really didn’t understand. Called him up, explain that to me. You know, here’s how I see it. And he said, well, here’s how I see it. He’d studied it. And we had a great conversation for an hour and a half around those issues. We need to come to each other in humility, but in unity, and say, boy, you see this differently than I do. I really want to learn from you. I did have that majorly controversial issue in the church, and I went to a main huge pastor and I sat down and I said, look, you believe this, and I don’t believe that, and I don’t understand why you believe it.
He goes, you really want to have this debate? I go, I don’t want to have a debate. I want to learn from you. I want to learn why you think that way. Because maybe I’m missing something. And after 2 hours, I realized I wasn’t missing anything. But this is, this is the spirit with which we need to come together as christians. Sure, sure. Yeah. You’re not compromising on truth, but you want to understand where they’re coming from and have that discussion. Promise seven, the final one here, obedience. Well, isn’t that the foundation of everything I just said? Isn’t it? I mean, you pointed out, Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments.
I was in a major meeting of megachurch pastors, like 40 of them, and we were all sitting around on something, and I was invited. I don’t know why I was invited, but I’m sitting there and somebody was reading from Luke and one of the pastors, and I realized afterwards, most of these really, really liberal megachurch pastors, and he said, I don’t believe in that. Jesus said that Jesus was mean and my Jesus was never mean. So I said to him, well, it says in Luke, you know, Jesus said, I came to set the world on fire and how I wish it was already a light.
That sounds pretty mean to me. Jesus said, well, I choose not to believe in that Jesus. And I said, well, if you don’t believe in that Jesus, then you don’t believe in Jesus. You believe in an idol called Jesus. And I think that’s where we’re at today is a lot of people don’t actually know Jesus. They don’t know who he is. They have invented a God in their own heads and they’ve slapped the name Jesus on him, because if you read the gospels, you will see Jesus was extremely confrontational around truth, never around frivolous issues. God said to Jeremiah, if you speak noble words and not worthless ones, you will be my spokesman.
So it is, as a Christian, we will be in confrontation all the time. It’s upon us, though, to speak noble words and not worthless ones. It’s not about whether we’re getting in screaming arguments about who belongs in the national championship. Is it Oregon or is it Alabama, or whether there should be a border wall. But we do be very diligent about all the issues we’ve talked about today. If you love me, keep my commandments. That defines a man or woman of God. Well, I tell you, there’s a lot of wisdom in what you’ve had to say here.
And I’m sure there’s a lot of wisdom in your book. A daring faith in a cowardly world. And I will be picking that up. And it’s available at Amazon and everywhere the books are sold. I’m assuming that it’s at promisekeepers.org and you’ve got a website as well. Tell us the address of your website. I had it here, but I lost it. Where can people find you in particular? Kenrharrison.com. ken R. Harrison. Okay. Yeah, there’s a whole lot of Ken Harrison’s out there. One of them is a gay porn writer. So don’t go. Okay. That would not be me.
So remember, R. That’s the one you’re going to go to. And someone who’s had. You’ve had so much experience as a, as a CEO of international company, a marine, a police officer. But I think that probably, I don’t, you are definitely suited for what you’re doing right now with promise keepers. Thank you so much for what you’re doing. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. The David Knight show is a critical thinking super spreader. If you’ve been exposed to logic by listening to the David knight show, please do your part and try not to spread it. Financial support or simply tell others about the show causes this dangerous information to spread.
Father, people have to trust me. I mean, trust the science. Wear your mask, take your vaccine. Don’t ask questions. Using free speech to free minds. It’s the David Knight show. Joining us now is Liz James. I’ve talked to her before about her blessed by his blood as a cooperative. I want to get that out there again and get an update as to how she’s doing because I got a lot of people who are concerned about contaminated blood, where they’re talking about transfusions, being able to stockpile your own blood or other things like that. Even to the extent you’ve got the world’s first unvaccinated dating service now launching in Hawaii.
People understand the issue here and they’re looking for some solutions. And so I wanted to get an update to that. But last time when I talked to Liz, she also talked about how she was very involved. Raw milk. And that is also something that’s very important. So I wanted to talk about that. The adulteration to our food supply. So joining us now is Liz James. Her organization is blessed by his blood. Tell us what the website is for that. Good morning. It’s just www.blessedbyhisblood.com. okay, good, good. And so tell us how this is going right now.
Where are you right now? And you’re working to try to get some legislation through in various places to have a right to make decisions about blood, you know, your own blood and what’s going to happen in an operation or an emergency. Yes, sir. So the legislation that we’ve started actively working on, it’s actually kind of interesting because designated donor or directed donor blood or autologous blood, which is meaning giving yourself your own blood if you have enough time to do so. Both of those things are currently legal and have been around for decades. You know, when I was in my, I think very early twenties, I had a minor surgery that, you know, every time you have a surgery, they say, well, there’s always a chance you might need blood.
And so my mom and my brother both donated on my behalf back. You know, this was 30 something years ago, and so. But they’ve been doing this for just years and years and years and years. However, it is coming to our attention that a lot of hospitals are starting to deny patients the right to do this, which is another stab at taking away medical freedom, right? That’s right. So our approach is this. We’re just trying to defend our medical freedoms and basing that on the 14th Amendment. Section one, where we have, this is part of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
There’s not anything specifically in the Constitution that addresses medical freedom because that’s part of the 14th Amendment. The other thing is, there was a 1990 patient self determination act. That act protects the patient’s right to do, to do and say and request and have the authority of what does and does not occur in their own body. So that’s something that when somebody is denied directed donor use or autologous donation, that’s something that is not being respected. The third thing is there’s an internationally held, and, again, religious freedom. There’s an international law that protects a patient’s personal or not a patient, anybody’s religious freedom and personal belief system.
So that’s another, another personal right that is being trampled on. So all, all works. I know that in Europe, I talked to a guy who was in Switzerland, and he was saying it’s getting impossible for people to use their own blood or to have donors, people that they know, people in their family, set aside blood if they know that an operation is coming up. So we have these things that are on the books, the Constitution, laws in Europe, and yet they’re being disregarded in many ways. So it’s important for us to strengthen that, as you know, and I.
And I’ll bring this up. I mean, and George and I have been working together. His organization, Safeblood, which is international versus the United States. The United States actually has the strongest constitution in the world. Right? I mean, it’s a constitution that’s, that’s been with, upheld for much longer than any other country’s constitution. And the more that we allow it to be chiseled away, the closer we get to being like these other countries that are having so many difficulties. And the United States has. While he’s having more difficulty in these other countries, the United States actually, even though we’re having difficulty, there’s less difficulty.
And there are lots and lots of doctors who are standing beside us and saying, we will write for the order. Now the problem is happening more so in the hospital, in the actual hospital, where they’re saying, well, we won’t do this. And because hospitals are being more and more driven by large corporations, a consolidation, and they’re being driven by the accountants and that type of thing. I had a listener who just. Insurance? Yes, insurance companies. I had a listener who just sent me something, I think it was last week, said he had to go in. He had a heart issue.
And he said, the hospital nurse said, would you like to set aside your blood in case we have to do an operation some point in the future? He was okay. He was taken out, but they offered that to him to store his own blood. So he was excited about that. Gave us the name of the hospital. There are some hospitals out there, because not all the hospitals have been subsumed into these giant corporate structures where they have a. A big network and then become all about money only. And that’s exactly the type of hospital we’re looking to work with, is the ones that are not corporately owned and are willing to work with the patients on a basis like that.
And they are definitely out there. I mean, we had, even though we’re not officially up and running, our soft launch is March 1. What we have already done. We did one match already, and we were able to do that successfully in the Chicago area. So. And that’s. And that’s just with people who, you’re talking to, people who have reached out to us, expressing an interest. We were able to find donors for this young family in need in the Chicago area. So that’s good. That’s great. Yeah, it is interesting. I talked about this earlier. There’s a study that just came out talking about how they have verified that they find mRNA and blood 28 days later.
Doctor Peter McCall has talked about it being found much later than that. And so this is not a theory, this is not a conspiracy theory. These are studies showing that this stuff persists. That’s a whole nother issue with the vaccines. But the reality is that it is theres a contaminant. We all know what the mRNA does in terms of creating the toxic spike protein that accumulates in your body, that damages organs and all the rest of stuff. So it is very important that we do have that kind of clean blood. And we know that the blood supply is not being screened for that, right? Very much so.
And you may have seen too, in the last couple of weeks, theyve released some of the restrictions they had on blood donation, which makes it become all that much more interesting. One of them, I believe that mad cow disease has been taken off as a problem. Number two, they’ve taken it used to be gay men could not donate. Now if they’re in a quote unquote monogamous relationship, you know that. How do you screen for that at the Red Cross? Right, right. Well, and that’s, that’s an interesting thing because I mean, no matter if there’s a homosexual relationship or a heterosexual relationship, you can never speak for the other, for the other party, right? That’s right.
So, so there’s that to deal with. And then number three, the other interesting thing is if for the Red Cross, if a transgender individual comes in and says that they are, well, if they’re a man and they say that they’re a woman, they have to be identified as a woman. And therefore that’s an issue because then there’s no, there’s, I guess there’s no screening for whatever on that, knowing that four out of ten transgender men are, would test positive for HIV. So. Yeah, because as we see, it’s all part of the, the drag queen storytime hour, what people are finally starting to come to their awareness about that.
It’s a very, you know, as one person said, hey look, heterosexual moms, I’m a conservative, but I’m a drag queen. And let me tell you, this is a highly charged community in terms of drugs and sex and all the rest of this stuff. And that’s going to show up in the blood supply. Yeah, that’s absolutely right. I guess maybe some of these people could come in, they could say, I may be a type a according to what your test is, but I identify as type b and you better put me down. Is that. You never know.
I mean, it seems like anything is possible, apparently, in politics and in industry, right? That’s right. Well, let’s talk a little bit. That’s good. So the, the organization is blessed by his blood, and you’re about to go live in March. And is it.com? is that what you said.com? yes, sir. Okay, so, blessedbyisblood.com is about to go live in March. You’ve got legislative issues where you’re trying to uphold our freedom, to have informed consent, to use our own blood or blood of people that we know. And it’s not something we should take for granted, because when you look at what is being done in the medical profession now, it’s all being politicized, and it’s a very dangerous situation.
So we have to start to fight for our rights of medical freedom and choice. But let’s talk a little bit about food, because last time you were on, you talked about your involvement with raw milk. And of course, it’s something that’s been going on for quite some time, as there’s all these different regulations that some places will allow it to some degree, but they have restrictions even in the most liberal places. I know back in Texas when we were living there, that you could buy raw milk, but they had to be very careful about how they sold it.
You had to go to their place. They couldn’t, you know, you couldn’t buy it in a supermarket, so you had to go to the farm or you had to be part of a cooperative. That’s the way it operates in some states and things like that. So what has your experience been with the raw milk battles? You know, it’s. I think I should first give a little bit of my backstory on how I found raw milk because it really is pertinent to the conversation. Being trained classically as a pharmacist, one of the things that they talk about is food safety.
When I graduated from pharmacy school, and in addition to that, I have a degree in animal science as well. So again, we were trained the same in animal sciences as well, because that involves food science. And when I, about ten years after I graduated from pharmacy school and I was in practice, I had a little accident on our farm here, and I ended up breaking my wrist and I had a cast on my wrist. I went back to work, just had the cast on my wrist, and I had two women come up to me, independent of one another over the course of a couple weeks and say, oh, you have a broken bone.
You really should look into drinking raw milk. And the first woman that said, that my little voice in my head was like, oh, she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Raw milk is dangerous. The second woman, you know, I believe that’s the Holy Spirit. When you get affirmation confirmation from a second independent source, that’s something you really need to look into. And so I was like, okay, that’s, you know, two messages that I need to look into this. And so I did a little digging, and I found a book called the Untold Story of Milk by Ron Schmidt.
I don’t know. It was probably written in the eighties and started. I read it, and it reads like a textbook. And that led me to read a couple other books. And by the time I was done with the untold story of milk, I had no doubt in my mind that we, the consumers, had been buffaloed by the American Dairy association and the food industry in terms of. And it’s quite an interesting story when you get into it. And I think you can never take a policy without first understanding the history behind the policy and how it got there.
And so how did we end up with homogenized, pasteurized milk? You know, how did that actually come to pass? So a little history on that. When people started migrating to the United States and they started settling in large cities, you know, Chicago, Detroit, New York, all these big cities, they were living in tenement housing, the majority of them, you know, because these are poor people fleeing their country or looking for a new, better life and ending up in these, like, basically slums. And the first thing that happens when you’re in a slum situation is there ends up being a lot of despair and depression, right? And if you read any sort of history in that time period in that environment, you’ll find there’s a lot of alcohol, right? I mean, because alcohol is used to.
To escape and erase what’s going on, you know? And so there were distilleries all over these large cities making, you know, making a killing on alcohol, but they were bringing in grains to make the alcohol, right? Well, somebody got the bright idea of, why don’t we bring the cows into the city? So they bring cows into the city and have these indoor cow dairies, feed lots that are inside buildings right next door to the distilleries with holes in the wall. And so after the grain is used, the mash is left over from making the whiskey, the bourbon, whatever.
Then the mash is shoveled through the wall. So they didn’t have to go on trains to go to cows or wherever. And these cows that have no sunlight, no grass, you know, that are living in filth, in dark, unlit buildings, are eating the, eating the mash, which is not a healthy product, and they shouldn’t be eating grains like that anyway. And so you. So, and then they were using those cows, milking those cows to give milk to the people. So as far as the people who were doing all of this, it was a win win situation in terms of making quite a bit of money for the people who were on the receiving end, the people who were living in the slums and the tenements, not so much so.
I mean, they were, they were drinking milk that was very unhealthy, you know, because the cows were not healthy themselves. They weren’t in an environment that was healthy. And so Louis Pasteur, of course, and people were getting sick from the milk, you know, rightfully so, because the milk was not healthy. And Louis pasteurization came out with the pasteurization. And of course, that’s a whole other topic about, you know, pasteur versus beauchamp. Right. You’re probably aware of that. We won’t go down that rabbit hole, but pasteurization, they started pasteurizing the milk so that people wouldn’t get sick.
Well, when you pasteurize milk, it, it does get rid of the bad bacteria. And in situations like I just described, that’s not a bad thing, because there is bad bacteria in unhealthy cows. However, if you have a healthy cow that lives outdoors in the sunshine, is drinking fresh water, eating good, clean grass, etcetera, you have milk that has the ability to. If you were to introduce a bacteria into a quart of milk, if you were to introduce bad bacteria in a quart of milk and then go back and look for that bacteria later, you would not find it, because the enzymes and the antibodies in that milk digest it and protect and keep the milk clean and healthy.
So, you know, we have, we have the ability to do that. Right. The other, the disadvantage of pasteurization, too, is that when you heat up milk like that, you destroy the enzymes. You just destroy the good enzymes that we all need. We should all be eating enzyme rich food. You’re causing a tremendous drop in the vitamin C content of milk, vitamin B six and vitamin B twelve. That drops dramatically. When you start heating up milk like that, you also change, and this is very important, you change the physical and chemical state of calcium and other minerals that are in that milk, and which makes milk less valuable as a food, you know? Yeah.
Oh, yeah. And, you know, you’re talking about this, and I’m thinking of the giant pig skyscraper that they’re building in China. It’s called a pork scraper. You know, but, you know, just think about that as we’re talking about the implications of that. You know, putting pigs in a giant skyscraper, you know, what could possibly go wrong? They were never meant. They were never meant to live like that. I know, and that kind of reminds me when you’re talking about what happened in Chicago, that’s kind of the early stages of big corporate food production today, where they don’t really care what goes into it.
I was early in the program. I talked about the fact that the FDA has approved all these heavy duty chemicals that have been identified in other countries as carcinogenic. And they said, we don’t care. So it’s allowed in our bread, it’s allowed in our food. And maybe they put it in because they want to try to strengthen or to stabilize dough so they can, you know, work with it better with their machines in terms of processing it. They don’t care what the health effects are. And the FDA gives them a pass on all of this stuff.
And that’s really, you know, when we look at how the FDA has handled drugs, they’re just as bad with the food stuff as well. I totally agree. And, you know, we were in Europe several years ago, and we went into a store that can that carried americanized products. And it was very interesting because even things like fruit loops, you looked at the fruit loops in Holland. The dyes were natural dyes, like on the box. But if you look at the fruit loops in the United States, it’s red dye number four, you know? Yeah. We look at mexican coke, right? They use, instead of high fructose corn syrup, they use regular sugar, and then they’ve got it in a glass bottle instead of an aluminum can, and on and on.
You know, it’s like we get the worst of everything, but it’s also the cities like you’re talking about there in Chicago made me think of what Thomas Jefferson said about cities. He said, they’re a threat to the health, the wealth and the liberty of man. That’s right. That’s right. I, you know, I think one of the most impactful books I read in high school was the jungle by Upton Sinclair. Oh, yeah. And. And that really, that that book really emphasized the plight of these immigrants and. And the terrible situation that they lived in in these. In this tenement housing.
It was just awful. So, but back. Back to the milk, when you have, you know, so you have pasteurized milk and so then they. The benefit of that is then they could sell rotten milk, really. I mean, they could sell milk that was full of, you know, pus and just really awful things that raw milk, you know, you can’t, you can’t do that with raw milk, but with pasteurized, you can. So you’ve increased your. You don’t have to throw anything out. Right? That’s right. So there’s that. Well, here’s the problem. And it also has a longer shelf life.
Well, as these milkmen were taking milk around to all the women, all the housewives and women, the cream would, as it settled on the top, that’s one of the way housewives judged. I. The quality of the milk, the color, the texture, how old the milk was, because you know anything about, about milk, and you let the cream rise to the top. If it sits there for a couple of days, even if it’s. Even if it’s good, it will turn into, like a cheese product, almost like a thicker product. So you can really tell the age of the milk by the cream that’s on top.
Well, the housewives, I don’t want this milk. It’s got. It’s old milk, you know? And so they invented the homogenization process. And the homogenization process is an interesting thing because people say, well, if my milk is flash pasteurized but not homogenized, is that okay to drink? And my answer is no to that, because there’s a, there’s something that happens to the milk molecule as well in the homogenization process. And in the homogenization process, they shoot whole milk through these little stainless steel tubules at a very high rate of speed, and it flips a leg on the milk molecule.
And so in that process, then the cream no longer rises to the top. Right. So now those housewives cannot tell how old the milk is because it’s scattered throughout the milk. So they got nothing to go by other than the date on the carton. Yeah. Which is where we live. Right, which is. Which is. And that’s the expiration date, not the date that it was retrieved from the cow. Right, right. So, but in the homogenization process, what, when you have that flip with the molecules or the leg on the molecule, it literally changes the structure of the milk molecule, which makes it, turns it.
The original milk molecule is actually cardio protective and actually prevents the plaque buildup in your arteries and veins. And when, when you have homogenization of milk, it does the opposite, and it causes inflammation in the arteries, which caught, then causes plaque to start forming. And so it actually, with the homogenization, it actually creates not just a neutral product, it actually creates a dangerous product. Yeah. Wow, that is amazing. Yeah, it was fascinating to me. And I was like, oh, my gosh, this is incredible. You know, and mind you, I’m learning, I was learning all of this before I ever even jumped into the truth about big pharma as I, as I started to do this was my, literally my gateway into learning the truth about the relationship between food and big pharma.
And then later insurance and other things as well, and how it all ties in together. And these big industries just feed each other with no regard to the consumer. Yeah. You know, it’s interesting if we look at it, a lot of people, of course, raw milk is very expensive. But if you think raw milk is expensive, take a look at what your doctor charges or what the pharmaceutical companies charge when you get a problem with something. So instead of having something healthy, you can have something that is cheap and is going to endanger your health. That’s really where we are.
And there’s a political aspect to this as well. There was an article that I just saw and the, it was from actually pirate wires.com. i don’t know how I found this, but it was talking about milk wars and, and how this has become a real fight, a real contention. You can see this in the Netherlands. First they’re coming for the cows, right? They want to shut down the cows and then they’re going to come for the rest of the, that’s their, their point of attack at the dairy farmers. Theyre not coming at it because its a factory farm or because its not healthy.
And we dont want to have homogenization and pasteurization. Theyre coming at it because were going to put you on something thats completely synthetic, that we completely control. In a way, theres a very important political dimension to this in terms of milk wars. If we can push back against big pharma, big food and the FDA on this raw milk thing, that’s going to be a big win to protect our food supply, isn’t it? Yeah, it’s, you know, and these wars have been, the fight for food freedom has been going on for a long, long time. I mean, I’ve been, I’ve been involved with Weston a.
Price. I’m sure you’re familiar with that organization and the Farm and Ranch Freedom alliance. Yes. That’s another one for lots and lots of years. And it’s so very important. And, you know, like you, I started out, I found a raw milk source, and we bought, we stood in line and bought raw milk at drop off locations for probably five or six years, and then we ended up getting our own cows. So I, because, you know, I was concerned about, you know, what? If they ever take this away from us, then what? And in other states, they have.
I mean, for goodness sakes, it’s legal to have marijuana in Colorado, but illegal to have raw milk. So, I mean, they’ve got our best interests at heart, don’t they? I mean, they just, they, it’s just amazing how insanely stupid it is. What is the situation over the various states? I mean, do you have a general idea of what percentage or number of states allow raw milk? And is there any place where they are really kind of laissez faire about it, or is it always under some sort of restriction and control? Well, it’s, it’s interesting. I haven’t looked at the states recently, and they’re, the laws are constantly changing, so there’s been victories and there’s been losses.
I would say probably 20% of the states. It’s legal. And then I could be wrong on that. That’s just a off the head guess based on, on my memory. But then there’s other states where it’s legal but very, very, very restricted. Interestingly, California is one of those states. I was listening at a conference in December, and they said, well, you can buy raw milk in a grocery store, but it’s only one very, very, very large farm. Yeah, kind of what you’re seeing in a lot of these places where they, quote, unquote, legalize marijuana, they’ll have incredibly high taxes, and it’ll be restricted to their friends who are in the business.
Correct, correct. It’s for the small person. It’s still not feasible to do. And then there’s other states that you can sell raw milk to be for pet consumption only, quote unquote. And, you know, what you do in your own house is your own business kind of thing. Yeah, we got lots of dogs. Well, I don’t know. I haven’t looked at the laws here in Tennessee. We have a friend who has a farm, and he’s got a friend who’s got raw goat milk, and that’s really good stuff. But, you know, haven’t looked to see if we can find, you know, raw cow’s milk here yet.
I don’t know what the laws are here. So in case that’s against the law. That’s just a hypothetical. I was just talking about that, you know, the the other interesting thing about cow milk is there’s. Maybe you’ve heard the discussion on it. It’s, you know, a one milk versus a two milk. The genetics of milk. No, I haven’t heard that. What is that? What is. Okay, so in genetics, of course, there’s a one, a one, a two, a two, and then there’s a one, a two, and a one mil is in. People who understand milk in terms of raw milk is considered inferior milk.
And I shouldn’t say in terms of raw milk. This is in terms of milk in general. And the reason it’s considered inferior is because there are some components of a one milk. And this is milk that comes from the. Let’s see, comes from cows in predominantly in Canada, the United States, New Zealand, Australia and northern Europe. Those. Those are predominantly a one. But to take it a little step further, it tends to be the Holstein cows that are a one, which is the predominant milk. The black and white cows, that’s the predominant milk found in commercial milk because they are big.
They’re big producers, and they can get a lot out of these cows for their money. Right? So we should have a take on the chick fil a sign. We should have the black and white cows eat more, drink more. A two. Leave me alone. Yeah, well, kind of. Kind of. So the jerseys and. The jerseys and guernseys, which are the, like the brown cows that you see, those tend to. They’re not always, but they tend to be the a two. A two genetics, which is the good genetics for the milk. Now, here’s the interesting part. These, if you are drinking a one, a one milk, aside from the pasteurization and the homogenization, which they can do to a one or a two milk, it doesn’t really matter.
You get the same effects on those. But with a one milk, you are aggravating conditions such as heart disease, type one diabetes, autism, schizophrenia, allergies, intolerance, autoimmunity or autoimmune situations, etcetera. So once you start diving down the rabbit hole of milk, you’re like, oh, okay. So I want to drink raw milk, but then I want to find an a two. A two producer. Interesting for the most, for the healthiest milk. And interestingly, there, I just pulled this up a few days ago. There are a couple of companies that are now selling, it’s called, just called a two milk.
In like, like even Walmart and Costco, you can find eight. It’ll be labeled as a two milk. Really? So, yes, now, you know, if you’re going to buy, you know, commercial milk. That’s better than, I mean, it’s still pasteurized and homogenized in that form, but at least it’s a, it’s a healthier for your jeans milk. I’ve never ever seen that. I guess that’s something like an extra thing that they put on there saying, you know, if it’s organic or something like that, that, say, not seen that. Yeah, you might, now that, now that your mind is aware to it, your eyes might see it when you’re in the grocery store.
That’s interesting. Yeah. You know, I’ve talked to in the past, I remember one case, I interviewed the guy at length. He was someone who did not start out in a family farm. He came to it later in his career because he wanted better food and things like that. And he started raising, he was in Michigan and he started raising a european brand of pig that could stay outside. It had hair. It wasn’t hairless. And, you know, but it was not a feral pig. But by the laws of Michigan, he wanted to be outside because he wanted to have it, you know, free ranging and things like that.
But the industry had set things up and said, you know, if your pig isn’t hairlesse and, you know, it’s, it’s going to be labeled as a feral pig and we’re going to destroy them. And so he was in this big fight with the state of Michigan and trying to shut him down. His pork was not white meat. You know, it’s like the other white meat. Well, it wasn’t, it wasn’t white meat. It was red meat. And he said it tasted, tasted very different. It’s very good. But again, that’s another example of how big food will operate with big government to shut people down.
It is. But now, I think the dairy thing, as we look at, you’ve always had this collusion between big food producers and industrial producers working with government regulatory agencies to get rid of their competition. That happens in every industry regulatory capture. And they use the government to get rid of their competition. But now we’ve got this other aspect of it. Like we see now in the Netherlands, and at the forefront of all of that is the cows and dairy. And they want you to have zero dairy and zero meat and zero other things. And so they’re using dairy and cows.
They’re using that now that the environmentalists are using that to shut down farms in general. That’s the tip of the spear. Yeah. You know, and you know what’s interesting, of course, they’re, now they’re making their Yden wanting people to eat this synthetic meat, this fast growing lab meat. Yeah. Biopsy burgers, I call them. Well, that’s exactly right. That’s exactly right. David, I was just going to say it’s like, imagine eating a tumor. Yeah. I mean, that’s. That’s essentially what you’re. What you’re eating in, in this type of situation. So. Yeah. Tumor kebab. Exactly. Exactly. Well, it’s very interesting.
And and again, it just shows how much corruption there is. But it’s at the forefront of, um, of all this stuff, and, um, and it is very foundational. And, uh, you know, as you point out, you can go from something that is harmful to your health to something that is beneficial to your health. I imagine, uh, vitamin D, when they keep the animals and these, uh, the cows and these factory dairies, they probably don’t get too much sunlight, so they probably don’t have as much vitamin D in their milk either. Do they have. Correct. Correct. And, you know, for the rest of my story, and this is where it gets really interesting, too, is at the time of my accident, when I broke my wrist, I was 33 years old, and I was diagnosed with osteopenia.
I think I mentioned that in the first time we chatted and and tell people what that is. How is that different from osteoporosis or thin bones or fragile bones? Osteopenia is the precursor to osteoporosis. So it’s basically, I’m set up to be osteoporotic. And at that time, you know, 33 is pretty young to have to be told that. And I was told, well, you’re probably just a few years away from needing to be on medication. And, you know, my pharmacist brain was like, oh, no, I am not taking that medication. Which was one of the reasons I was interested in finding an alternative solution and the beginning of the looking into drinking raw milk.
Well, fast forward to 15 years. When I was 48, I had an accident, and it was a pretty significant accident. I nearly lost my left foot. Wow. And I got charged by a bull, and he hit me from the side on below the knee, threw me in the air, and when I landed, my tibia, which is the bigger lower leg bone, it came out. It had come out of my leg. Oh, compound fat. And, well, here’s the thing, David. The bone didn’t break. It just came out of my leg. Wow. So you took care of that osteopena issue, right? Correct.
Yeah. So it wasn’t a compound fracture. It just came out. Wow, that’s amazing. Yeah, it just. And now the fibula, the little tiny bone on the outside of the leg that did break, and I did sever four tendons. So, I mean, it was a. It was a significant injury, but the fact that that tibia didn’t break, the doctor was, like, for a hit like that, for the bone not to break, we need to do another bone density scan. So we went back 15 years later, I did another bone density scan. And at that time, you know, the lady who was doing the scan, she’s like, I’m not a doctor, so I can’t.
So I can’t tell you what your. What your scan looks like. She said, but your bones are amazing. And she said, now what are you taking? And I said, I just drink raw. I just drink raw milk. Because she’s looking at my history. Right? My history. Osteopenia. And I said, I just drink raw milk. And I do take magnesium, too, and I’ll touch on that in just a second. And she said. She said, well, she said, my eyes say that you’ve got the bones of a healthy 18 year old female. Wow. Wow. Yeah. It doesn’t have the side effects other than maybe a stray bowl to drink raw milk that the medication does.
What were some of the side effects of the medication if you had been taking that for 15 years? Jaw necroses. You hear about that all the time. If you go to the dentist and they ask you if you’re on fosamax or bisphosphonate, you’ve probably been asked that before. That’s when your jawbone actually disintegrates. The same thing. It puts you at a higher risk. It’s kind of interesting. It puts you at a higher risk for hip fractures, but what you’re trying to prevent is hip fractures. Yeah, exactly. You see that all the time with pharmaceutical drugs. Right? You take it for condition a.
And one of the adverse effects is that it increases condition a. And you look at an aging population and how important it would be for people to have something that’s going to help them with osteoporosis or osteopenos, something like that. Well, and not just that. Like, if you’re drinking raw milk, raw milk will actually help lower your total overall cholesterol. You don’t want your cholesterol to be too low, but what happens is it will increase your hdL, your good cholesterol, and start decreasing your ldl, conversely. So. And you don’t want your cholesterol to be too low.
I mean, people who have cholesterol under, under like 180, their total cholesterol, those are the ones who ends up in dementia units. So that’s another, that’s another topic for another day. But yeah, people have been able to help people with the beginning stages of dementia by giving them things like coconut oil and things like that. So that’s exactly, that’s exactly right. I mean, we, our brains are 50% cholesterol. So imagine trying to deprive the brain of cholesterol. And I, you can guess what will happen. Let’s talk about, you said you also supplement with magnesium as well.
So as raw milk and magnesium gave you, you know, you went from osteopenia, precursor to osteoporosis, to having, as one lady said, the bones of a 18 year old, tell us about magnesium. How does that do? So, you know, I’ll preface this by saying not all magnesium is created equal. So. And there are different, like, there’s magnesium citrate, glycinate, malate, orotate, chelated magnesium, there’s magnesium gluconate, magnesium oxide. Those two are my least favorite. And those are, unfortunately, are two of the most commonly found ones in, like, your mainstream nutritional centers. You know, they’re just not, they’re just not, well, bioavailable.
The malate and glycinate is highly, are much more highly bioavailable. The citrate is also highly bioavailable, but it’s more likely to give you diarrhea. I mean, that’s what you take for a, for a prep. Some people need that because they have, they’re prone to constipation. And if that’s the case, that’s not a bad magnesium to take. But here’s the issue. We should have a calcium to magnesium ratio that is close to one to one in the body. And because our diets are so low. But our diets are so low in magnesium, there’s just not. In farm.
Our current farming practices have stripped the soil. Yeah. There’s not enough magnesium in the soil. Therefore, there’s not going to be enough magnesium in, in our vegetables, which is where it predominantly comes from, fruits and vegetables when we’re. And then, of course, there’s the standard american diet where people are just eating junk. Right. Which certainly doesn’t have magnesium in it. We doesn’t have any food in it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. But there’s a lot of fortification of calcium in the diet, even in junk food, where they put calcium in. And then, if you remember, once a woman gets older, they’re like, make sure you take your calcium chews or make sure you’re taking your calcium.
So you end up with a calcium to magnesium ratio that’s closer to three to one or four to one instead of one to one. And when that happens, then you actually have an increased brittleness of bones, and you also have an increased hardening of the vascular system, calcification of the. Of the vascular system. So the goal is to get your magnesium in and get your ratio closer to one to one instead of this three to one or four to one. That is counterproductive. And, you know, doctor, you know, I’m not a doctor. I’m a pharmacist. But.
But it is a travesty that people are being told to take more calcium with no regard to taking magnesium. Yeah, they should be taking. They should be taking magnesium first. They’re creating a problem or aggravating a problem that’s already there. By telling them to do more of something, they should be balancing it. It’s about ratios. It’s not about Evan. And that’s why it’s important if you get vitamin D to make sure that you’re also taking vitamin K. Some vitamin D’s come with K as well, because it can do the same type of thing. It can lead to calcification if you don’t have the k with it.
So the magnesium is very important, as you point out. Tell us again the sources that you. The forms of it that you think that you said citrate is good, but it can cause you. If you’re. If you are, unless you were predisposed to constipation, it might cause some diarrhea. What are the other forms that you would recommend of magnesium? My preference is like malate or glycinate. There’s another one that if somebody needs to work on their vasculature, the orotate is a good one. Occasionally you can find magnesium products that contain orotate, glycinate, and malate all on the same capsule or tablet.
That’s great, because you’re hitting the body in a little bit different way all the way around. So that’s my preference. I personally would stay away from magnesium oxide, magnesium gluconate. I mean, I don’t find them very helpful. You know, it’s interesting. I got a factoid here from this article talking about the milk wars. They said in 1945, Americans drank about 45 gallons of milk a year. Now they drink only about eleven, most of it and their coffee. And they said that analysts are predicting that cattle farming will be obsolete by 2035. The reason they’re predicting that, of course, is because that’s what the globalists want.
Yeah, they’re pushing for that to happen. But again, I think it’s interesting, and probably we could go back and see the rise of osteoporosis in our society as well as we pushed, push these things out as we go into chemicals and, you know, adulterated food, talk about what theyre replacing it with in so many different ways is vegan milk, you know, soy milk, almond milk, cashew, all these different things. What is your take on those types of milk? Well, all of those milks are different. And so I cant really put them all in the same category.
Soy, obviously, is probably my least favorite. Number one because it’s genetically modified. Number two is because it is highly estrogenic and it’s called a phytoestrogen. And there is a reason, I mean, this is one of the reasons we’re losing so much testosterone in our world, because we’re a lot of men. Their estrogen has gotten so high, their testosterone can’t compete. And soy is just so pervasive now in our diet. I remember years ago when I would watch the news shows and Archer Daniel Midland was always talking about soybean this and soybean that. I mean, they put it in everything.
They put it in everything and it’s, and it’s just not a healthy product, especially in, in the quantity that we’re exposed to now. There’s, you know, nut milk. I mean, some people, some people cannot drink regular milk. I mean, that, that is true. I will say, though, lactose intolerant? Yeah. Well, yeah, but I will say this. I’ve had a number of quote unquote lactose intolerant people in my house, and I’ve served them a glass of milk, and I have yet to have a lactose intolerant person be intolerant to raw milk. Yeah, yeah, I’ve heard that before as well.
Yeah. So there is, so there is that. You know, we need the healthy fats that are in the, this kind of product. Healthy, healthy milk, raw milk product. Goat milk is another one. I haven’t done a lot of research, but I am very interested in a rarer milk called this camel’s milk that I understand is very, very good for kids with autism. So. Yeah, yeah. And there’s a couple of farms and you can order camel’s milk for kids with autism. Evan, that’s very important. That’s a real epidemic. As a matter of fact, we had a listener who.
And I’ll just mention his name again, Daniel Jeremiah. They’re really struggling with their child. Have been for years damaged by vaccines, has autism. So he asked that we keep him in his prayers, but I’d not heard that about Camel’s milk. I hope he hears this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But back to the. Back to the nut milk. I mean, I think it’s always important to think about where the initial product came from. If things are not treated organically, any milk that you make is going to be concentrated. So if there were pesticides, herbicides, fungicides involved, you just got a hefty dose of all of the above.
Right? That’s true. That’s true. So that’s something to think about. And almonds, from what I understand, unfortunately, even the organic ones are sprayed with some sort of chemical because they have a problem with almonds across the board. So for that reason, I’m a little. I’m a little leery of almond milk in general. I guess my favorite or go to would be oat milk or coconut milk. Well, that’s interesting, and it really is. The food wars in general and the milk war in particular is at the forefront of this. Did you, did you see the study that came out a few weeks ago? I say study, I should say the fake news, but it literally is a study by Tufts University that put Cheerios ahead of all beef patties in terms of nutrition.
Yeah. Or maybe. I think the best thing you could get would be a spoonful of eerios from Mike Tyson. We’re talking about that now. There was a joke about Cheerios back when he bit the Vander Holyfield’s ear, and now he’s putting out pot candies and calling them Mike Tyson bites. So I guess that’ll be the next thing they advertise as being good for you. Right. It combines everything. You got the potential as well as kind of a Cheerio aspect to it. Yeah. That is amazing. It was probably paid for by General Mills, don’t you think? Well, it actually was.
It was paid for by several food companies. And that’s the thing is, like, whenever I read a study, the first thing I do is scroll to the end. Yes. And I look and see who paid for it. We’ve seen that over and over again. All the pharmaceutical companies. I got three different pharmaceutical. Pharmaceutical companies with competing products. They all do a study, and guess what? They’re always the best and better than brand x and brand y. Each one of them, they can. They can rig it for sure. Thank you so much. Liz James, again, blessed by his blood.com.
look for it. That’s going to be very important to fight for our purity, of being able to get our blood as well as our food. Thank you so much, Liz. Appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Sadeena. Sadeena Liberty, it’s your move. And now the David Knight show. Kim Witsak. She is someone who has worked and had a lot of experience, and we’re going to talk about her own personal experience with SSRI’s. And she’s had a tragic experience in her life, and she has worked very hard to try to make sure this doesn’t happen to other people. As she pointed out, she had became an accidental advocate again for people to be informed about the risks and dangers of SSRI and many other drugs that are out there.
Her site is woody matters.com dot. Woody was her husband, and we’re going to talk about that and about SSRI’s. Thank you for joining us, Kim. Great. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Tell us a little bit about. You said you became an accidental advocate. Tell us a little bit about your story and your husband’s story. Sure. Well, I’d like to call myself the accidental advocate, because I certainly did not choose to do this work, but sometimes our greatest life purposes choose us. So I was married. It was almost, it’ll be 20 years ago this August, but I was married on August 6, 2003.
I’ll never forget the phone call that changed the trajectory of my life. My dad called to tell me that my husband, Woody, was found hanging from the rafters of our garage, dead at age 37. Woody was not depressed. Woody had no history of depression or any other mental illness. He had just started his dream job with a startup company and was having trouble sleeping, which is not really that uncommon for entrepreneurs. And so. But what he did is, you know, I always call Woody the athlete who, you know, used doctors because they put him back. Humpty Dumpty, you know, they put him back.
So Woody went and saw his GP, somebody he’s trusted for a long time, and was given a three week sample pack of Zoloft, which is an antidepressant for insomnia. Instead, it would take the edge off and help him sleep. And, yeah, it’s really crazy. And when I look back and, you know, I was out of the country the first three weeks he was on the drug. We both lived. We had very successful careers. I’m in advertising, so I was out of the country. It was our busy time in production, so I wasn’t even there when he first got put on these drugs, and like I said, the three week sample pack automatically doubled the dose.
And so that’s really the Story. But what could, you know? Like, we never once, and I’ll tell you one thing that happened right before Woody’s death came home. And Woody walked in the back door, completely sweat through his blue dress shirt, fell to the floor in a fetal position with his hands around his head like a vice. Kim, you got to help me. I don’t know what’s happening. My head’s Outside my body looking in. And I remember, like, yeah, it was really, you know, and at that point, we’ve been married for ten years. I’ve never seen this kind of behavior.
We calmed him down. He called his doctor, and the doctor said, give him four. You got to give the drug four to six weeks to work to kick in. Wow. Yeah. Give it time. Yeah. It’s amazing when you look at this and we look up the definition of SSRI. So selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, what you will see on the Internet, they’ll say, well, it’s the first line of pharmaceutical pharmacotherapy for depression and other psychological issues due to its safety, its efficacy, and its tolerance. It’s amazing that they can put this message out there after all the stuff that’s happened.
And I’ve talked in the past, Kim, to people who have just started collecting SSRI stories. They call it SSRI stories.net. they’ve got over 7000 of those. And we’re trying to get this information out there. You know, when we look at this and how destructive this has become, people will commit suicide and how sometimes as part of that is mass murder, we’ve seen that being a factor in many of the shootings that are out there. And yet the public doesn’t really understand. And there’s so much trust in the doctors and in the pills that people are taking.
I imagine, as you talked about the dosages, when I’ve talked to the people at SSRI stories.net, they said where it gets really dangerous is when people are having negative effects and they decide that they’re going to adjust the dosage, maybe even cutting it, not even taking more of it, but just changing the dosage one way or the other, more or less, can trigger these types of suicides or murder suicide. Correct. And it’s like they always say, you know, we never, like you just mentioned, we never once questioned a drug because, you know, it’s advertised, Safe and Effective, given to him by his doctor and the FDA.
And, you know, the most. And at the time, Woody’s death, there were no warnings. So that became kind of our mission. And the night that Woody was found, the coroner gave us a gift. And I call it a gift, because intuitively I knew, like, something didn’t make sense, like my husband, who loved life, we just booked our ten year anniversary trip that he took his life. But she asked one simple question. Was Woody taking any medication? Yeah. And the only medication he was taking was Zoloft. And she said to us that we are going to have to take it with us.
It might have something to do with his death. So they took the bottle of Zoloft with her. So that became clue number one. Ironically, on the front page of our Minneapolis paper, they had an article that said, the UK finds link between antidepressants and suicide in teens. So that was the same night, which is, you know, I look back now and I feel like, you know, that was Woody’s note, because there was no note, right. And that became our mission and started to go out to DC. So what a lot of families don’t realize is, before this time, when we googled Zoloft and suicide, we had no idea that the FDA had hearings in 1991 on the emergence of violence and suicide with Prozac and did nothing.
And every, you know, did nothing. They never warned and they said to study suicidality that Eli Lilly never did. You know, the FDA never followed up. And meanwhile, here comes Zoloft from Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline’s Paxil. It gets approved for kids. And so that became our mission, to get black fox suicide warnings added to these drugs in 2010, four for kids, and then 2006 for adults. But, you know, a lot of people aren’t really aware of that because, you know, they just assume. And, you know, our commercials, I mean, the whole thing is just. It is a very important topic that we must constantly keep in, in front of people.
Like you’re doing with the show. Well, yeah, you know, when we look at, you got on your site, Woody matters. Woody was your husband’s name. Woodymatters.com. you have some interesting factoids and graphics that are there. You say that there are $19 spent on ads by the pharmaceutical industry for every $1 that they spend on research. That’s pretty astounding. And, of course, that’s the ask your doctor commercials. And those things really exploded in the nineties. That’s when that first phenomenon started happening. I’ve talked many times about how we had not seen. We moved to an area where we didn’t have tv reception.
And we’re traveling a few years after this stuff happened, we were in a hotel, and we turn on the tv and it’s like, wow, this is just one pharmaceutical ad after another ad. I’ve never seen anything like that before. But $19 worth of ads for every $1 they spend on research. That’s amazing. Yeah, it’s a great. That was a study that was done by a couple researchers. And it’s fascinating because it’s not just advertising that we see on television, but it’s all of this other marketing. You know, there’s so much marketing, and I have been. The interesting thing is I’m still in advertising and marketing.
So I have a lens that looks at everything through the marketing and advertising lens. And, you know, it’s the perfect, especially when you look at this, it’s the drug commercial. Then we’ve created all these side industries, and then we’ve created the advertising with the media networks. All of this influences that. But then you look at, like I said, the spider web, and it’s all the trappings of marketing that doctors aren’t even aware that they’re being marketed to. Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. It can be very, very subtle. It can be very overt. And what we saw with the opioid industry, you know, they were selling this as, like, the panacea for everything, give it for every type of thing, getting a lot of people addicted to it.
And when they went back and they saw that, they saw how they were influencing doctors and spending so much money on vacations and even on hookers with some of them, it was amazing what they were doing with that. You can imagine that if all the commercials that we see on television, on cable news especially, are just the tip of the spear, how much is being spent with the rest of this stuff? And with free samples and all kinds of studies that they fund. But, of course, that all those commercials guarantee that the news agencies, the big news agencies on cable aren’t really going to cover this topic.
You talked about the fact that whenever the coroner was looking at your husband, Woody, ask you, what kind of drugs is he? Oh, Zoloft. Okay, we’ll take a look. Whenever we see some kind of a crazy mass shooting that has been for the longest time. What I try to get to, oh, look, this person was under psychological evaluation and under medication, but they won’t say, typically, won’t say what it is. They always still cover for the pharmaceutical companies. And if you dig far enough, you probably will find in almost all these cases that it is SSRI’s that are or something like that, that is a part of that.
You know, it’s part of this medication. But it’s very interesting to see how many of these shootings has been involved with and how the press now doesn’t like to mention that whatsoever. Yeah. You know, again, I go back to the simple question of was he on any drugs? Right. So that, that gave me another insight. So every time there’s a mass shooting, a lot of these shootings really started since the advent of antidepressants. And you look at whether, you know, there’s some of the, there’s a famous one that had the Donald Schell case down in Kentucky, and they actually settled with the company settled.
And so it became like, so there wouldn’t be a jury verdict when the drug was on the trial. Right. And so these guys have known about it for a long time. It’s a simple question. I have always, like, one of the things that we’ve been out there advocating for is anytime there’s a shooting, we as the public, like, you know, your hIPAA rules no longer apply. We need to know what medications, again, it does not say it’s causation. Right. But is there a link? Is there a, like a curiosity that we should be asking? You know, we should be knowing if what medications they were on and their privacy doesn’t really matter because we are all sitting ducks and we should, as the member of the public, we should be demanding that our legislators are pushing for information or this kind of information or investigations when we do have big shootings, because we need to get to the bottom of what’s going on with this increase.
Why are we seeing it again? I always say it’s not causation, but is there a link? And we need to be curious. Yeah. They’re going to great lengths to keep this manifesto from this shooter in Nashville under wraps. But I be as interested, if not more interested in finding out what was going on with them, with her, with the evaluation, the treatment, psychological treatment that she was undergoing. What kind of medication was she on. We need to take a look at that as well as a manifesto. Tell us a little bit about this Donald Schell case that you referred to where they settled Donald Shell.
It was in the nineties, and he was a factory worker and he shot up some of the people. I think it was in Kentucky. I believe it was in Kentucky, Louisville. But anyways, the judge didn’t know that there was a secret settlement. It was just, I actually just tweeted about it earlier, last, earlier in the month. But there was a secret settlement that the judge found out about, but it really gave it let the drug company off, which was Eli Lilly, because it was Prozac. They left. They let them off the hook. And, you know, one of the things I didn’t mention as part of my, as I call battle for Woody, we had a lawsuit against wrongful death, failure to warn lawsuit against Pfizer, where we were able to get a bunch of documents out from under seal.
And there were some in there that, like Pfizer helped to create a prosecutor manual in the nineties. Now, I just have to say, why would a drug company help to create, or why would there need to be a prosecutor manual being helped for the. And it was called the Zoloft prosecutor manual to be used for any time somebody used the ZoLOFT defense or the drug made me do it again. That’s from the nineties. Then you go back and it’s really. I mean, it’s really crazy. They really war game this. They war game all this stuff. They war gamed out all the different stories about what they’re going to tell people, you know, about the warp speed vaccines and everything.
They’ve got it planned from the very beginning. So there, if somebody says that they were under the influence of Zoloft, here’s what you do to take that away. Wow. Again, from the nineties. And then what a lot of people also don’t realize is Prozac in Germany was never approved for a couple of reasons. Initially, risk of suicide, lack of efficacy, and eventually it did get approved, but with a tranquilizer. Now, that idea of with a tranquilizer never got translated to our us. Right? And so, you know, that is what we have to remember. There’s that whole agitation and AkatHisia, which is the side effect that can cause, you know, when Woody was having that head outside the body, or it’s this extreme agitation, this extreme psychosis that actually, Pfizer’s chief medical officer wrote an entire article about Akathisia.
And if people would get experience, apathesia, quote unquote, his words, not mine, death may be a welcome result. Wow. And so that journal article is public, right? But what was public and came out in my documents was a letter that the chief medical officer wrote to his salespeople that said, the attached journal article is not suitable for general practitioners, but maybe for neurologically inclined psychiatrists. Wow. And I was like, they intentionally kept the side effect of Akathisia from the gps, but, you know, 80% what, 70. 80% of these drugs are written by gps and not by the psychiatrist.
Wow. And Akathisia, that was similar to what your husband Woody was experiencing with his mind outside of his body type of thing? Yep. And it’s like an extreme agitation. It’s like, you know, where you just want it out, you know, I just want it out. And that’s the thing that they said would be death would be considered to be preferable for many people like that. And of course, a lot of people, if you’re having situations like that, and. And some people would alter their dosage for SSRI’s because of physical things that were happening to them. Right.
Not just a mental thing that was happening to them. They might be doing other things to their body, and so they would adjust the dosage for that or get off of it. You weren’t there when your husband committed suicide, so you’re not sure if he was having this akathisia and it was driving nuts. Maybe he made the connection and just didn’t take it. Maybe that could have sent him over the edge as well, because it will exacerbate changing your dosage. This is an important thing for people to know. Changing the dosage can really trigger this thing.
And, you know, it’s almost like taking an overdose for many cases to even to reduce it a little bit. Tell people about the black box warning that is on these things that you were able to get put on. The FDA black box warning. So the black box warning is the most serious of all warnings. That means that there’s some type of serious adverse event or death that can be associated with the drug. It is literally in a black box in your paperwork that you get from, you know, the pharmacist. But more importantly, it is a conversation that your doctors should be having with us, the patient or the caregiver at the time of prescribing.
And, you know, there’s also, for kids, there’s an FDA medication guide for parents that talks about the suicide, the. Where the dangers are, also with some of the anxiety medications, how there’s addictive, you know, qualities to them, or that they’re on the DEA schedule, too. So these are all very, very important conversations. And, you know, it’s funny, I always say when people are like, well, everybody, you know, the media sometimes will say, everybody knows that there’s warnings on these drugs. They just have to put it on. I said, no, that’s not true. If you like, in 1991, I was a young kid.
I didn’t even know that the FDA was having hearings on Prozac, and it was a big deal. Prozac and suicide and violence. Right. So in 2004 or 2006, when I was in the thick of advocating for those and out in DC, almost us every other week, if you were like these parents now, if they were kids, they didn’t know anything about this, right? So I think it’s one of those things that we have to constantly be reminding people. And, you know, just recently, there was a study that looked at, that was done by Doctor David Healey and Peter Getchi out of Copenhagen, and they looked at Re, they got the data that was used to originally approve Prozac for kids.
It’s part of the reanalysis of the original clinical trial. And then they can look at what the data says and then compare it to what the journals say about the medication. Well, they just did and looked at Prozac approval that came out of the, using the MRHA, which is the uk version of the FDA regulatory body, and they reanalyzed it and looked at what the data said that was used to get approval and then what it looks like in the journal and how it got reported and they left out suicides. So they’re actually calling for the journals to actually update their data because they’ve reanalyzed it.
But, you know, it’s funny looking at what we’ve seen in the last couple years with just the, you know, the COVID vaccines and like, like, you know, all of the censoring and talking about it. We didn’t have that same experience, meaning we didn’t have social media and the media environment when we were trying to get the antidepressant black box warnings. But now I’m seeing anything to do with antidepressants, especially around the shootings. But also this reanalyzed study that just came out. We’re not, the mainstream media has not touched it, and it should be one of those game changing findings.
This new study that is using old, original data that was used to get the drug approved. So, you know, I feel like there’s so many parallels between those two worlds, but we are living in a different world. And we have to, like, at the end of the day, it’s you and I, the people who either are taking or we have loved ones, or that we need to be the ones questioning and pushing our officials. You know, I today sit on the FDA advisory board, the same advisory board that in 1991 didn’t do their job and they all took money.
So I have a very unique perspective also sitting on the psychopharmalogic Drugs Advisory committee, seeing how new drugs are coming to market using fast tracking and breakthrough. So I think there’s just a lot of, the system is not really built to protect you and I, it’s really protecting others interests. And a lot of interests are at play when it comes to the medications that we take. And it’s an unbelievable amount of money that is involved. People are willing to kill for billions of dollars. We’ve seen it. Certainly corporations are. But tell us a little bit about that experience that you have sitting in the there is on the FDA committee, and your role on that is as a consumer advocate.
Tell us what you’re seeing. You mentioned that they’re speeding things up. And of course, now we’re seeing that as they come out with one new vaccine after the other, they have established this paradigm we heard Fauci talking about in October 2019 at a Milken Institute thing. They said, how do we get, everybody take a flu shot that we haven’t tested? And he goes, well, we do it from the inside. We do it with disruption, and we do it iteratively. Well, they have now established a protocol where they can just run through all these tests without going, waiting for a decade.
As they were talking about, we’re seeing one vaccine coming after the other with mRNA without really any testing. Is that what is happening to the psychological drugs that you’re looking at in your committee? How are they speeding that up there? Or are they. Yes, they are. And so one of the things that Congress kind of granted is something called a breakthrough. There’s all the facts, tracking mechanisms. Because, you know, back in the, I think it was the eighties with AIDS drugs, and you remember all the groups were saying, hey, it’s taking you too long to approve these drugs, right? Yeah, it’s taking too long.
We gotta take it too long. We gotta make it faster. Right? So that was one thing with like, you know, PDUFA, but then they’re also with Congress. They started, they have different regulatory, like, it’s called breakthrough therapy, fast tracking. Everything is, if you start watching and listening to the drugs that we take, everything is an unmet need. And so when there’s an unmet need, that means that you can, like, bypass some of the, some of the more stringent, or what I used to think were gold standards with our clinical trials. So a lot of the drugs that are coming before my committee, and I’ve been on it, I’ve just been extended till the end of next year, which I still laugh because I tend to be the only one that votes no.
And it’s very interesting because I see it from a very different, like, it’s not about just, I mean, market. You know, to get these drugs, you gotta remember what clinical trials are. The whole idea is that’s that is there because they want to get it on the market for marketing purposes. Right. And so they can get it. So, you know, it’s about getting, doing the data, getting the best. You know, like, a lot of the clinical trials don’t even, you know, that aren’t real world scenarios. They’re the best case scenario for something then you have. And so that’s one thing.
But then if you don’t have sheer volume or numbers, because, like, you know, I had a couple of drugs, and I just actually, it’s an article that’s coming out today. It was the Rigsalti, which is an antipsychotic that’s currently on the market. But they wanted the big unmet need right now is Alzheimer’s, dementia, agitation. And so they have been for years with the elderly, been using antipsychotics. But, you know, they got, the government cracked down on it because they literally have been killing elderly people regardless. And so this company, the drug is already on the market, and they just got approval from the FDA.
And I was the only, the data that they used was marginally beneficial for a patient. There was no, or I should say, I almost think this was more for the caregivers or the nursing homes as opposed to the patient. There were no patient satisfaction type where a lot of those drugs can deaden somebody as well as then it also had a four times rate of death over the other, the drugs. But this, I was the only one that voted no. And it’s amazing to me. And I realize I leave these meetings often thinking, am I the only one that’s seeing this? Am I the only one? I’m like, why bother? I want to hit my head against the concrete.
It doesn’t make a difference. But here’s where I do think, you know, at least I’m on record. I get to challenge the drug companies. I get to challenge the drug, the FDA officials, and I come from a safety lens, and I will always come with a safety lens because, you know, these drugs are coming to market, really with smaller clinical trials. And it ultimately is what happens when millions of people take the drugs and then we start seeing the different issues happen. But you know, what time or time, and you point out on your website, I encourage people go there.
Woody matters.com, you say there have been no initiated drug studies by the FDA, they don’t do the studies. It’s the people who are going to sell you the stuff that do the studies. Right. Exactly. I mean, that was shocking, too. And then the other thing that I’ll say, that was also shocking to me when I got in to this work, again, the accidental advocate work, I would have assumed that doctors learn about how the FDA works and how this works in med school, but I wish I found out they don’t learn how the FDA works. That is not part of, and all of this critical thinking kind of things that you got to be aware of, of the marketing, the ugly side that’s behind the scenes, just so that as a doctor, you can be a little bit more aware versus just being educated by pharma.
So the idea that they’re not learning about it was shocking. The idea that, wait, the FDA doesn’t do the trials. You mean you’re doing it and you are the one that wants to sell the product to me. Of course, we do this all the time in advertising. We know how to set up clinical trials. We know how to play the game. That’s right. So anyways, all the time you’ll have three different companies making a drug for the same thing at the same time. Right. And they’ll all run their own studies and they’ll say, well, mine is better than brand X and Y.
And then brand X and Y will do it and theirs will win as well. They rig these studies so much, it’s such a rigged market. And of course, the real key is education. And that’s why what you’re doing is so important@woodymatters.com. dot thank you so much. Kim. Kim Witsak, I’m so sorry about what happened to turn you into an advocate, but thank you for being an advocate and thank you for being eyes and ears as to what is happening inside the FDA. We all need to understand what is happening with that. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.
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