What's up folks? Welcome to Nino's Corner TV. This will make flufftube. I'm with Eddie Bravo. The one and only Eddie Bravo changed the game of Jiu Jitsu. I mean, in my opinion, a lot of other people's opinions. I talked to BJ Penn extensively about you. I've talked to a lot of friends about you that are like jujitsu fanatics. We now have a mutual friend in Scott Peters who's implement of that into his football regimen. 

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You know, you're Black belt jujitsu, I guess. Black belt comedy too, man. You do a lot of stand up comedy, right? Not as much as I go on the road once a month, I get a spot at the comedy store once a month. I don't have the time to be a full time comic, man. I got a jiu jitsu empire to run and I got a family. My son's eleven. 

He's all in the weekend baseball tournament. And I also promote a couple of Jiu jitsu shows. Combat Jiu jitsu World Medusa, which is the female combat Jiu Jitsu show. Yeah, there's a lot of shit going on, so it's hard. There's no way I could ever be a full time comic yeah, but I've seen some of your stand up. You're pretty damn good, because stand up involves timing. Everything's timing with jujitsu, boxing. 

I understand timing from boxing, and I would imagine it's the same in stand up. Correct. It's exactly the same. Stand up. Comedy is just basically two things, public speaking skills and being funny. And some people are funny, but they have no public speaking skills. That was me early before Jujitsu. I djed at a strip club for ten years. So I thought that was going to give me the public speaking skills that I needed, but it turns out it wasn't enough. 

You were a strip club DJ, dog. Yeah. Ten years. You were that guy. Give a hand for Lutzie. Put those hands together for candy. Dude, you have the Voice. No wonder. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's the fake DJ voice. The fake, like, South park fake DJing. All right, guys, put those hands. You know why they talk like that is because that tone is actually what cuts through all the noise. 

Like, if you talk like you normally do on the mic at a strip club, nobody would be able to hear you. You have to direct it. It's goofy, but it's actually the only way you can talk on a mic and have people hear you. It's like universal. Like, every strip club has that guy. They all sound the same. It's like a grimy fucking voice, dude. Makes you feel dirty, dude. 

Totally. Those are some crazy times. So let's talk about. I always tell people in boxing, I started boxing at five years old, and I always say, man, it takes at least six to eight years to be a good amateur. It takes even longer than that to be a good pro, obviously, all the way through Jiu Jitsu, comedy, most comedians say it takes ten years to finally get it. 

That's same with Jiu jitsu. Some people do it quicker, but the average, to really understand comedy, eight to ten years. Same thing with Jiu jitsu. Eight to ten years. Same thing with boxing, any sport, really, unless you're some crazy prodigy. And that happens. BJ was one of them. Correct? BJ Penn, yeah, he got his black belt in like, three and a half years. Won the World championship like that. 

The. There's exceptions. So that guy's just an anomaly. Yeah. BJ was. When he was a white belt, everybody knew he was going to be a star. The guy was just incredible just as a kid. Just when he first started, everybody on the West Coast Jiu Jitsu scene were like, holy shit. He looked like he was 14, but he was really 18 kid wrecking everybody. Jiu Jitsu, you have to have that fluidity, that timing, and that explosiveness all rolled up into one. 

Right. All of that. All of that. You could get away without explosiveness, though, in Jiu jitsu, because it's a lot of, it's just clinching. So explosiveness does definitely help. But there are some guys that aren't explosive, but they're really good. They're just really good clinchers. They could clinch and hold you and control you. Stay safe. Like in boxing, you clinch for defense. You know what I mean? For defense. 

Same thing for Jiu Jitsu. But the ones who know how to clinch for defense and offense, those are the ones that don't necessarily rely on explosiveness, because me, I'm not explosive at all. At all. I'm not fast, I'm slow. I'm just a really good clincher. And I know I can squeeze hard and immobilize people as my go to strategy. When I was boxing, I was real explosive. That's like the one thing I had. 

I was very explosive. And anytime they put me against a guy that had a lot of ring generalship and knew how to clinch, knew how to hold, knew all the tricks. The veteranos, I knew that I had to be even more explosive because they're usually the older, more savvy type guys that would. They were the journeymen that you could say, is it the same thing in what, how did you beat. 

Let's just talk about you for a second, explain a little bit to the audience how big of a deal it was for you, an American kid, to go to ADCC Brazil, correct? Did I say that right? ADCC Brazil in 2003, folks, live on national TV and beat the best grappler on the planet at that time, Royler, Gracie. Dude, this was huge. It was monumental for you, especially. Yeah. 

Changed my life. Changed my life, man. It was biggest upset in jiu jitsu history. Did you go in there? I mean, every time I've gone into a fight, there's always that unknown. You just don't know. You really don't know. You can feel confident. I thought I was going to get killed because it was a 16 man tournament. So to win the whole thing, you have to win four matches. 

And I was a brown belt at the time, and everybody else is a black belt in there. There's like these black Belt world champions, and I'm like, oh, my God. So how are you even competing against black belts if you're a brown belt, you were able to compete. I won the North American trials. I earned the spot, so I won that. That was in October of 2002 in San Diego, and then May 2003, about seven months later or so, that's when the big show was in Brazil. 

That was the main show. So I went there. I knew who was in it. These guys didn't have to qualify. I had to qualify, and I snuck in, and I was just happy that I got a free trip to Brazil. I'm like, already? I heard so much. I had been there three years earlier, too. My first time was in 2000. And they're the best, right? Brazilian jiu jitsu is known as Top of the game, right? As far as what? Top of what game? Jiu Jitsu. 

Right. I mean, the Brazilians have it on lock, right? That's what I've always understood. Yeah. Jiu jitsu back then, maybe. Brazilian jiu Jitsu is big in Brazil, but it's not like soccer or anything like that. The history of Jiu jitsu, man goes back 100 years in Brazil, and that timeline is fascinating, with Helio and Carlos Gracie learning it, like, in 1920, and then them challenging back in the days in the. 

They took. There wasn't that much happening in the 40s because of World War II, but the it came back 60s. There waS, like, UFC shit going on that we didn't know anything about. There was a Japanese fighter named Maeda. This was back in the turn of the century, like, 1900. He would travel around the world in circuses. And back then, that's where people fought. They fought in circuses. 

They challenged people, and that was all over the world, traveling circuses. And there was always a guy, know he's a badass fighter, and if you could beat him, you'd get, like, $5 or something, or they would just have featured matches. And this guy Mayida went all over the world. He's like, before Hickson. Hickson wasn't even born. There's a Japanese guy named Maeda. He went all over the world challenging everybody, and he wasn't allowed to fight in Mexico, so he ended up wearing a mask. 

He's the one who invented the mascara for pro wrestling, the Lucha Libra stuff. He invented it. He's a Japanese guy because he wasn't allowed to fight. So he decided to disguise himself, and then he ended up settling down in Brazil and opening up schools in Brazil and teaching people in, you know, the gracies weren't the only ones who earned it, but they were the ones that took it. 

Know, the heights that it's at right now, man. So the story of Maeda. There's a movie coming out, man. My master, Jean Jacques Machado, he's the guy who gave me my black belt. He was a consultant in this movie, and he's been working on it for the last couple of years. Movie on Maeda. And then it was supposed to be a movie, one movie about how. And then Hickson, like, both of them. 

But is it going to be in a theater? Or is it going to be like Netflix? Or is this, like, who's playing this know? I don't know. I don't know. Nowadays, the movie business is almost nonexistent, man. The movie theaters by my house, they're about to close down, and it's easier just to surf through the channels and get what you want on Netflix. And if it sucks, you just go to the next one in a movie, you pay 20, $30 to get in there, and you're stuck. 

People hate going to the movies with me. And that's why I ended up going to movies by myself a bunch of times, because I cannot movie within the first 1520 minutes. If I don't give a shit, if these main characters die, if they don't make me care about these characters, I just get up and leave. That's how I am, dude. If there's a movie that's, I'm like, oh, it's 2 hours long. 

I don't even go. I don't even risk it. I'm not going. I'm not doing it. I do go to the Alamo Drafthouse or whatever, and I'll order food or whatever. If the movie's good, Scarface was 3 hours. If the movie's good, I'm down. But yeah, so let's get back to this, because I really want to dive into this a little bit and get into how you started and hit the scene, because did you know Joe Rogan back then, or did you become friends with Joe Rogan after you won the 2003 Jiu Jitsu Champion? No, we were really good friends when that happened so much that after the strip club, I quit my strip club job to be a writer, a comedy writer on the man show when Joe Rogan was the host. 

And the only way I got that, I met Joe in Jujitsu. We were doing Jujitsu. He was a blue belt, I was a purple belt. This is 1997. This is way before that. How good is Joe Jiu Jitsu? He's one of my black belts. I ended up giving him a black belt, and he got a black belt in the gee and no. Gee. Wow. He's solid. Yeah. He hasn't trained in a while because he has back problems, but, yeah, he's a beast, man. 

But his striking, dude, I don't know if you know anything about his striking, dude. I know it's hard to believe that that dude, his striking is insane, dude. It's insane. I didn't know that. I'm telling you, man. He's getting hard, dude. I was giving him Private lessons. I was a profile. He was a blue, and he wanted to learn some of my crazy shit. I went to his house, and he has, like, a heavy bag handed, and I'd done a little bit of striking. 

I did a little bit of karate. I did a little bit of Muay Thai, a little bit of Danny and Asana system. I did a little knew, and I was a big boxing fan. I was a kickboxing fan back, way back in the KNow. We would be in his garage and sitting there stretching out, and he would just start wailing on the heavy bag, and he would throw this turning sidekick on this heavy bag, and I was like, is this normal? Because I try to do it. 

I try to kick it, and it was like a little boy compared to a grown ass Ray Lewis type of a man, you know what I mean? And I thought, either I'm the worst kicker ever, or he's got, like, some crazy donkey. Couldn't understand. I didn't understand it. So then I. At the Jiu jitsu gym, and back then, even today, but especially back then, Jiu jitsu was filled with a bunch of strikers who, they were into martial arts, and then they saw hoist Gracie fight on the ground, and then they, I want to. 

I want to do this. That's what I did. I was in the middle of karate. I had one stripe, one green stripe on my white belt in karate. And I saw the UFC, and I'm like, oh, my God, I'm in the wrong then. So there's a bunch of those guys, a bunch of karate school owners, the dude jiu jitsu, and there was a heavy bag at the gym, and I wanted to compare because I'm like, am I crazy, or is he seen? And I thought, okay, maybe there's a whole shitload of dudes like him. 

So then I would get guys. I go, hey, can you do. There was this one guy owned a karate school, karate black belt. I don't know what degree, but a legit karate black belt who owned a school, and I said, can you do a turning sidekick on this real quick? And then he goes, sure, he did it. And I go, Joe, now you do it. And then Joe would do it. 

And that guy would go, oh, he would, Mike, it's crazy, right? He goes, yeah, that's insane. So then I did that. Then I started telling a bunch of people, like, dude, you're not going to believe this, but the fear factor guy is the hardest kicker, pound for pound, that I've ever seen. And people are like, what fear factor? Joe RosEnbUCk, you, nobody would believe. Everybody thought I was crazy. 

So then GSP came to my class one day, and GSP has karate. He's a karate black belt. He was a karate man first. And I said, hey, watch Joe Rogan do a turning sidekick and tell me what you think. And he said, okay. And I videotaped it. The video is on YouTube. You can watch it. GSP, arguably the greatest MMA fighter of all time. He's always in that conversation. 

And Joe started kicking the bag, and I have this on video. It's on YouTube, you can watch it. George St. Pierre, Joe Rogan, sidekick. GSP loses his mind, and he wait, he's like scrambling through his bag to get his phone because I got a videotape, because people aren't going to believe me. He's freaking out. GSP. Wow. And then from that point on, everybody knew. Everybody knew that. Holy shit. 

Not only does he throw turning side, and I always told you, I go, dude, do you have any footage of you doing this, like, in Taekwondo tournaments? And he goes, my mom has somewhere, I don't know, maybe somewhere. So he was originally learned. Yeah, that's where he learned the kicks from. He was competed in Taekwondo. And he said, he goes, dude, when I would land those things, and in Taekwondo, you're wearing, like, bulletproof vests. 

You know those bulletproof vests? Yeah, the pads. I remember that, the chest pads. He goes, dude, if I landed, he would say, if I landed that thing, I didn't even look back. I just walked away. I knew nobody ever got up from that, even with the pads. And I'm like, shit, I wish I had some video of that. And he goes, I don't know. This was in the shit. 

And then one of his old teammates uploads it on YouTube. That's also on YouTube, too. And it was like, the video, just like he described. It's like a 15 2nd video. He's like all packing, helmets on and everything. And he throws a turning sidekick, levels the guy. The guy's flattened. And then Joe just walks away like it was nothing. Walks away, dog. I just thought maybe he was a fan of MMA, and he worked out because I saw his operation in Austin when I went with BJ, and I was like, damn, dude, this place, this facility is like, it had everything. 

It had everything. So I didn't know. Who would know? Who would know? You know what I mean? I didn't know. Yeah. He competed in Taekwondo and then got into kickboxing. He did, like, smokers and kickboxing. He got into comedy. The comedy took off before the kickboxing did. And plus, he didn't want to do it anyways. He was just, like, inspiring. He would be concussed. He would have headaches, my brain. 

So he didn't see a future in kickboxing anyways, so then he was already doing comedy on the side, then his comedy, and then he's like, okay, see? But he never stopped training. He trains all the time. He trains striking all the time. He never stopped. But you say he has a bad back or you have a bad back. I have a bad back and he has a bad back. 

Yeah. I had Baxter Jet, l four, l five s one fusion. That took me out forever. I was never the same. Never the same. I have a disc replacement in my L five S one, and they want to do another one on the L four, too. So my lower. I'm done. There's no way. I lost all mobilization. I lost my agility, but I'm good with it now, dude. 

I'm like, in my 40s. I'm like, I'm done with that abuse. Yeah. So would you say that fight catapulted you and your fighting philosophy? Your fighting philosophy into what the 10th planet Jiu jitsu concept is like? I know, you told me, but for the audience, 10th Planet Jiu jitsu, does that even mean so a lot of people are going to be like, it's just some space mythical shit that I used to be into. 

It's like, supposedly, according. You're not anymore because you're a flat Earther, right? Yeah. 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu was back when I was all into UFOs and ancient aliens, and I was all into that shit. And according to the ancient Sumerian text, there's this guy named Zachariah Sitchin who transcribed that he was all up in ancient aliens on the History Channel, but according to his transcriptions, there's a 10th planet in our solar system that's highly advanced, and they created us. 

They landed on our planet, all that. Yeah. Anunnaki shit. So I figured there's Japanese jiu jitsu there's. Brazilian jiu jitsu. 10th Planet Jiu jitsu must be insane. Actually, that planet is called Nibiru. So I was going to call it Nibiru Jiu Jitsu. Then Joe Rogan said, dude, that sounds stupid. Why don't you just call it 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu? And I'm like, nah, that's ridiculous. And then, like, five minutes later or a couple of minutes later, I'm like, you know what? 10th Planet it is? 10th Planet. 

Holy shit. So Joe actually named it. It sounds like it's an outside force coming in, disrupting everything. That's how I take it, kind of. It's so advanced. This is the kind of, if they have Jiu jitsu in the 10th planet, it would be like this. It'd be super advanced. It's just some stupid shit, and I just ran with it. So, your philosophy, Jiu jitsu, how is it different from the gracies? How were you able to beat the gracies? Would you say, dude, like, if you look back, would you say, be honest. 

Would you say, shit, man, I guess I got kind of lucky. Or would you say, your strategy, the skill set you had, was it different from what they were doing? Like, how'd you win? How did you pull that? Hoiler? Gracie had been training since before he could walk, so he's been training his whole life in Jiu Jitsu and won the World Championships in the no Gee. He fought MMA, as well. 

And in ADCC, no one had ever scored a point on him. He won it the last three times, so he was coming in the favorite. Obviously. No one ever even scored a point on them, and at that point, I had been training nine years, but my training was specifically geared towards no gee. I was always a no gee guy in the gym. I didn't really like playing tug of war with, like, I got into Jiu jitsu because of the UFC. 

The UFC didn't get me into Jiu Jitsu, so I see Jiu Jitsu in the UFC. Hoist has a GI. So then I'm like, okay, I guess I got to wear a know. We're training in a Gee, and all our techniques require grabbing the lapel or the sleeves and playing pug of war with it. You're like, how does that translate to no gee? It didn't make any sense to me, so I was always working on a style that would work no gee and gee. 

And that really is a no gee style, because any no gee style will work with the Gee, but Gee styles don't work. No gee as efficiently. So then I just started working. I'd only been training nine years, and he'd probably been training 30 years, but I was training specifically for no gee. So that was a disadvantage to him because he was gee. He was mostly gee, but he also won ADCC three times in a row, so he was good no gee, too. 

But every minute you spend training in the Gee, you're not training no gee. That first one, I was a brown belt, so my style wasn't even totally developed. It was like 30% developed at that time. But I was still able to beat him. So, yeah, I got lucky, too, on that one. I got lucky. But then in the rematch eleven years later, I was preparing for the rematch the whole time. 

The whole time. Trained, pure no gee. I knew we were going to rematch, and based on what he did to me, and he does the same thing to everybody, I mean, I still beat him. I submitted him, but he was winning most of the match. And he had you beat him in the rematch. Well, the rematch was set to be 20 minutes, and if there's no submission, no matter what happened in the match, it was considered a draw. 

So technically in the rematch, I drew. But if you watch the match, I wrecked him. He just didn't tap. He had nothing. The first match, I tapped him, but the second match was a draw. I didn't tap him, but I did way better in the second one because I was all over him. I did a lot of shit to him, and he had nothing for me. He had no mean. 

You obviously were a fan of UFC. You didn't want to go into the UFC. Did you attempt it? Did you think about it? Were you like, I think I might take the next move and go into the UFC and fight, or were you just like, fuck, that ain't for me? Well, that's a good question, because my whole life, I wanted to be a rock star, so I moved to Hollywood to be a rock star. 

I was only teaching jiu jitsu, just until I blew up in the music business. So any job I did, whether it was strip club DJ, or writing comedy, it was all just a cool job until I blew up in music, right? So in my late 20s, I'm purple Belt and Jiu jitsu. I'm thinking, damn, man, if my naked man, what am I going to? So I thought, okay, if that one in a million chance I don't blow up in music, I got to have a backup plan, and the backup plan is going to be MMA. 

So that's what really pushed me into my style of really focusing on no Gee Jiu jitsu and Jiu jitsu that works when people are trying to strike against you, that particular style. My style is geared towards MMA. I was training for MMA just in case my back was against the wall and I had no other alternative. It wasn't like Beast or like, dude, I'm on a mission. I'm champion of the World. 

There's nothing going to stop me. Watch me. I'm going to work my ass off. I wasn't that guy. I was like, I'm training my Jiu jitsu to be MMA ready just in case I had to do MMA. But you didn't need any of that shit because you won in 2003, right? It was 2003, and then it just catapulted you into where. How did that translate? I could just make money on Jiu Jitsu. 

I could survive on Jiu Jitsu. So you decided, like, after that, okay, now I can what? Open schools? I can. No, no. Now I could teach because I started teaching Jiu Jitsu, like, a few days after I got back from Brazil. I was working as a comedy writer when I was in Brazil. And when I got back, I quit because I hated the job. That's an hour story. 

But it sucked working for Comedy Central. It was horrible. But I didn't have any alternative at that point because I quit the strip club DJ job, and I couldn't go again. Go back. I shouldn't have quit that job. So when I tapped Hoya Le Gracie out, I came back and I said, you know what? Now it's time to teach. You made a huge name for yourself that catapulted you into the spotlight, right? So everything kind of you wanted through music happened in Jiu jitsu on that, yeah. 

Yes. But still, even at that point, when I opened up my first jujitsu school, it was like, at a boxing gym. It wasn't Like I signed a lease and opened up a school. It was just a boxing gym that already existed. The owner offered me before Brazil, he offered me a job there. I was a Brown Budy. He goes, hey, you want to teach Jiu Jitsu? It's a dirty Little boxing gym in Hollywood called the Bomb Squad. 

And I'm like, nobody's going to like. I declined because I didn't have any heat. And at that point, most Americans wanted to learn jiu jitsu from Brazilians. They didn't want to learn from a Mexican. And I was like, I wouldn't learn jujitsu. Wouldn't even do it. I wanted an authentic. They wanted the authentic Brazilian. So I declined that job, Mostly because I thought it would just fail. But then when I got back from Brazil, I'm like, I went back and I said, hey, does the offer still stand? He said, hell, yeah. 

So then I just started teaching at this boxing gym. First day, 18 people showed up. All the rejects from all the neglected rejects from other jujitsu schools showed up. And I'm like, damn. So even at that point, I go, oh, shit, this is my new job, teaching Jiu Jitsu. And even at that point, I thought, oh, this is a great job. Until I blow up in music. It was still that life. 

This was just going to be temporary until I took over the music business and then happened. Thank God, because the bulldog. Yeah, thank God. My music sucks, dog. Thank God. Dude. Let's talk about boxing for a moment. I want to really get your perspective on this because you said yourself that you were a huge boxing, I guess, boxing fan. Fanatic. You really loved boxing back in Its Heyday. 

Eighty S, Ninety S, early 2000s, Until UFC came along, I feel UFC, everyone says, oh, they can coexist. I'm like, I used to think that. I used to think that, but now I don't think that anymore. And believe me, I love boxing. That's my first love. Right? But the way I see it now, especially the pulse of boxing, has always been the heavyweight division, always been the heavyweight division. 

And what I feel just happened is the nail has just been put in the coffin of boXing. And for me to say that as a heavyweight prior champion, I was an undefeated contender, for me to say that is a lot, bro. I think Tyson Fury, and I want to get your opinion on this, the elephant in the room right now is Francis Naganu. He went in there, and in my mind and in everyone's mind that watched that fight, Tyson Fury went to go hand pick somebody out of MMA, probably didn't take him as seriously he should have, but in my mind, he ruined boxing. 

He destroyed it right there. That night, Francis Neganu beat him, okay? And I believe that. I know what I saw, and I'm going to give credit where credits. Do you think boxing can still coexist with MMA? Or do you think it's done? Fury? Do you think Tyson Fury ended it? I don't know, because I haven't really been following boxing that much since the UFC, since 93. Then that answers the question. 

That answers it right there. I don't know. But I will say this, though. The heavyweight division over the last five, six years has made a comeback with Tyson Fury, with the Bronze Bomber, and Andy Ruiz. Is that his name? We got a Mexican in there, and then there's like three or four, five. Tyson Fury. There's some guys. Now it seems like I've said this, like, a year or two ago. 

I'm like, you know what? The heavyweight division's looking interesting, know? But what happens is the reason I kind of just dropped boxing, went to the UFC because I didn't know there was that much involved in real fights. I thought a real fight was boxing. I thought that was a fight. I thought fighting on the ground, I wrestled, and I would take people down. I didn't think that was considered real fighting. 

Back in the day, that's what it was. You were looked at as a schmuck. If you grabbed somebody and took them down, people, they would separate you. In high school, when we'd go fight after school, they would separate us and we'd have to stand up again. That's just the way it was. And I was like, I don't care. I don't have, like, this bad boy reputation to defend. 

I just want to survive fight. So I would double leg dudes and just hold them down. And then when I saw Hoyce do that, drag people down, I'm like, you could fight. I'm like, oh, my God, I think I like this. I just had no idea. I had no idea that was, like, ground fighting existed, and I just fell in love with it. I'm like, oh, my God, this is made for me. 

No, but it works. It's what works. Yeah. Look, I think I told you this story when I was in high school. I fought with a wrestler, man, and he wasn't a jiu jitsu guy or nothing, but he took me into the ground. But we both fell off a curb, and I got up faster than he did and cracked him in the face, and that was it. It was over. 

But he took me down. He successfully took me down, but we fell over a curb, which he got the shit into the stick on that one. But, dude, that's how it was back in the day. And if we were to continue fighting the ground, they would have separated us and made us stand back up again. That's how it was back in the 90s, early 2000s. But the Gracie's transformed all that and made it look, whatever works. 

It works. If you can beat a guy on the ground, you win. That's it. Yeah. The way I look at it is, what would you rather have? A Mercedes. Brand new Mercedes or a brand new Mercedes? Brand new BMW and a brand new Ferrari. What would you rather have? Yeah. You have more in your repertoire. Yeah. So when you're paying for entertainment, MMA has boxing. There's boxing they're not taking away. 

Boxing has everything boxing has, but it also has kicks and fighting on the ground, like, whoa, I'd rather have all that, you know what I mean? Than just one little thing. You know what I mean? MMA is the best. And I used to disagree with people like you all the time, and now I agree, because when I was fighting, the hardest thing is when you're hurt and you're fighting, the first thing you do is know. 

You try to hold on to the guy and try to survive. The ref comes and breaks you apart, and that's it. It's game over if you're too hurt. Right? So I would always see UFC as options to get out of that scenario. I'd look at everything as options, but now I see it differently. But I guess what I'm asking you is, do you think that this can coexist? The people that watch boxing, I think, are now 40 and up. 

I don't even know. They're the old school. The last superstar right now is Canelo. I mean, we maybe have Ryan Garcia coming up. You got heavyweight boxing. But what I'm saying is, how long do you see this coexisting? Do you see it coexisting forever? Do you think just boxing will disappear? And I think the elephant in the room is Francis Naganu. Boxing will never disappear. There's room for. 

There's wrestling. Wrestling is never going to go anywhere. Jiu Jitsu is not going to go. Knee Jiu jitsu tournaments. That's the most boring shit ever. I'd rather watch boxing way more than that's. That's. But that's never gonna disappear. There's room for. I mean, I'm all into combat Jiu jitsu. Combat Jiu jitsu is my favorite part of MMA. The ground with strikes. So I just concentrate. A show. Just that. 

No striking, standing, we bring you down. We don't have stand ups. We have get down. You could only be on your feet for a minute. You could wrestle for a minute. No striking at all. We just want you on the ground. Once you get on the ground, you could throw palm strikes and fucking break noses and break orbitals. That's what I like. But MMA is the complete thing. 

I'm just doing my favorite part, you know what I mean? And just getting. I can't. Because sometimes you can watch three or four MMA fights, and you don't see any ground fighting anymore. Now it's evolved into, because it used to be really easy to take dudes down, take strikers down. Now everyone's hard to take down. Everyone's got their takedown defense on lock so hard. So UFC ends up turning into kickboxing with really good takedown defense. 

I think it all could cause this, but really, I see the future of boxing in bare knuckle boxing. When they wrap your hands in the dressing room, they'd wrap it like a cast so you can deliver a much harder, concussive blow. Right? So when they would wrap my hands, it would be like, surgical. I would be like, oh, man, I'd hate to get hit by these and bare knuckle your hands break easier and you don't have the impact you have gassed where you can definitely, I get it, but you don't want to throw full blown, full power because you'll break your hand as much. 

But they still do, dude. And you look at the faces of these people, dude, the longevity in this shit. They're the ones who chose to do it, you know what I mean? And we're paying for it. So UFC made you lose interest in boxing. What else made you lose interest in boxing? I think it became so political with all the organizations that you got these guys cherry picking fighters now. 

I don't see that happening in UFC. Cherry picking fighters, putting a rehydration clause into these contracts to where if, okay, we're going to fight, but you come down 20 pounds to fight me, and then you can't go back up the day of the fight. I mean, it's ridiculous. It's cheating. It's cheating. I could imagine because it's so old and just the fact that it's like the number one sport or it used to be, or it's a top sport in betting and the gambling. 

And once you add the betting and the gambling shit, and it's just one dude. Like a football, football is harder to rig. It's hard to rig through the players. So football, the rigging is probably straight through the refs. Like, the refs are just throwing flags at certain times and shit like that when they need to cover a spread. But with boxing or fighting, this is one dude. But I think with the boxing, too, they got the judges. 

I think the judges are the ones. I think the judges and the refs are the way fixes fights. That's what I buy off the judges, they buy off the referees. The fighters go in there and fight their hearts out. I always went in there. I never wanted to leave it up to the judges. I used to go in there and just seek and destroy and go home early, and I would never want to leave it into the judges, you know, I don't. 

Just, I wanted to get your take on this because I know you're friends with Rogan, and I know Rogan's didn't. He had some beef with Fury recently, like, some shit where they're talking with Tyson Fury? You know what? I've never heard of that. Really? Yeah. Well, there was some shit that Tyson Fury was talking about Rogan. And then once Francis Naganu did what he did against Fury, it looked to me like it was game on. 

And Joe Rogan did a whole show on how Francis Neganu just whooped that ass. So I'm just curious on your thoughts. I know you're, like one of his best friends, and look, I've been out of boxing now for so long, I'm completely separated. It's like a know. I look at it now like, I don't ever want to see that again. I don't know anything about that Tyson Fury beat. 

I really don't. I'll ask him about it. Ask him about it. Say Nino wants to know what's his thought is on that, and I want to know his thoughts on where Naganu goes from here because I know Rogan probably knows the guy. I'm curious, what's the next move for Naganu? Because in all, won the heavyweight championship on a pro debut. On a pro debut, it's unheard of. It's kind of like what you did with. 

Yeah, I don't know what he's going to do, but I think he has a contract with PFL. I think PFL and Nganu are going to do know. I just see the headlines on Instagram. I don't know the inside scoop, so. See, that says a lot to me. You don't even pay attention to it. Don't. I don't. I barely pay attention to the UFC anymore, to tell you the. 

It's just, for me, it's just all combat jiu jitsu, man, because I'm in the business. So it's very interesting to me and intriguing to me what Jiu jitsu works when there's strikes involved, because Jiu jitsu as a sport is huge without the strikes, and it evolves into all these weird, unrealistic situations in Jiu jitsu. You could say that a little bit about boxing, right? Like boxing, like the head movement or whatever. 

Like, oh, you just get taken down. You can't do that. You know what I mean? So it would be like a boxer who wanted to tweak boxing or only focus on the boxing. That would work if someone's trying to take you down, you know what I mean? If there was boxing, let's say there was a boxing show where you could take a dude down and get points for the takedown. 

No fighting on the grouNd. No fighting on the ground as soon as you get down, because they do that in Muay Thai and in some forms of kickboxing where they allow takedowns, but you can't. That is the best form of boxing, where you're boxing, but you're also prepared for some takedown defense. SO that'S how I look at ComBat Jiu JItsu. I'm like, Jiu jitsu is a beautiful thing, but if you're doing moves or relying on moves, real fight, that's not what I'm interested in. 

I'm only interested in Jiu jitsu. THat works With WonDErInG. I know we have a mutual friend in Scott Peters, and I'm wondering, did you see how he's implemented this into football? We talked about it extensively, man. And he's the offensive LiNes coach for ThE CLeveland BROwns. And Sports Illustrated did an article on him on NFL using Jiu jitsu and wrestling techniques to help offensive linemen. I think a defensive player should be wrestling. 

ThEY ALL SHOUld BE wreStling. Think about this. Ray Lewis, greatest linebacker of all time. He was a high school wrestling champ. Micah Parsons, right now considered the best linebacker in the game. He was a wrestling prodigy, a youth wrestling prodigy. Then he got into football. But the point is, football is all about balance and tackling and taking people down and not letting people block you. You know what I mean? That's wreStling. 

That's wreStling. IF I Owned an NFL, well, I wouldn't be Able to OwN an NFL team. If I owned a USFL team, I would wrestlers. I would just go to the high school wrestling team and just bring in all the wrestlers and make my whole defensive team, all my linebackers, everybody. All wrestlers, right? And if you didn't wrestle in high school, I would have a wrestling program during training camp. 

Because wrestling, because the way Jujitsu guys look at wrestling is the same way. Like, we have a guy come in, a brand new guy, and he said, oh, I wrestled in high school and college already. We're like, oh, my God, this guy's going to be good. We look at guys, most of the high level jujitsu guys in the United States come from a wrestling background. This huge advantage. 

Huge. When you wrestled your whole life. And then you're a black belt in jiu jitsu. Holy. That's another level. That's a whole nother animal. And that's how I would look at it in football, too. Football, shit, if you wrestle, I can't imagine you're a quarterback. Yeah. But then again, speed has to play into this also. You got to be fast. You got to be able to get to the guy, to be able to get him down. 

Totally. So those guys that are super fast and they didn't wrestle, you get them on wrestling right away, but I'm sure there's a whole shitload of wrestlers. They're lightweight. There's little guys like cornerback size. Look what happens with world class sprinters that try to do NFL. It doesn't work that well. No, it doesn't. We had a guy on the Browns, Anthony Schwartz. They drafted him. He was a sprinter, fastest guy. 

And he was like, running four one forty s and shit. And dude couldn't hold onto a ball. Dude couldn't run around, dude couldn't catch, you know what I mean? So speed is important, for sure. But, man, I think wrestling on the defensive end especially, and the offensive linemen, they don't need to take anybody down, so they would need to just focus on sumo wrestling. Like all the offensive linemen, I would get them on sumo wrestling on the daily. 

You know what I mean? This concept, it makes complete sense to me. Yeah. Wrestling is the art of balance and taking people down. That's football. Football is like team wrestling. And then you look, dude, there's a list of all the highest level linebackers. Most of them wrestled in high school or in junior high. That's huge. That's a huge base. That is. I'm going to keep you for. Just for a little bit longer, dude. 

I want to ask you some things real quick about. So I wanted to touch on this just a little bit, man. We'll just switch gears just real quick. That's where you got the name for the Jiu jitsu. Schooling is 10th planet. So what made you shift from Nabiru Outer space? No idea. I had DVDs. Every space documentary you could think of. All the space theory, the universe with eleven DVDs. 

The BBC, the solar system, the sun, the galaxy, space. Everything I watch over and over and over again in my 30s. I'm a grown ass man. I wanted to be that guy that could tell you, be at a party and can talk about neutron stars and how far away they are. And super hypernovas. I wanted to be that space expert, but I never believed we went to the moon. 

I was like, oh, that's bullshit. I do. Right off the bat, I believe in space, but I'm like, I never bought the moon shit. Maybe as a kid I did, but once I was old enough to think for myself, I was like, we did not go to the moon. And I thought NASA's job was the moon. The moon missions. That's what I thought. NASA. NASA was the moon. 

So I didn't believe NASA. They faked the moon missions, but I didn't think, like, everything, all space information came from NASA. I didn't even put that together. I just thought space information comes from everybody. It's so obvious. Space Planet. And then one of my students came up to me one day in the middle of a 911 rabbit hole discussion, and he goes, hey, you ever look into flat Earth? And right there, I felt like I lost a soldier. 

I'm like, oh, my. And on Joe Rogan's podcast once, a long time ago, Joe was talking about how stupid something was and what stupid things people will believe. And he goes, yeah, dude. And there's people out there still think the Earth's flat. And I remember going, what there are? And I'm a grown ass man. I'm like, 40, saying shit like that. And he goes, no, dude, there's people that think the world is flat. 

I'm like, come on, dog. I couldn't believe it. And then my student comes up to me and asks me, dude, you ever look into? And I'm like, dude, I felt like I really lost a brother. And I'm like, I can't ever talk to you again. And then a few months later, another guy in class, Guy named Ernest. First guy's name was Manny. Second guy's name, Ernest. Ernest. Sitting against the wall in between roles goes, hey, man, you ever look into flat Earth? And I'm like, oh, my God, not this shit. 

You know, I'm sue at this point. And he goes, hey, listen, I got a master's in engineering. You need to look at it. You look into it. And I'm like, Earth from space, dog. I got it on my phone. Remember the iPhone, default setting? Yes. Picture of Earth from space. And you see it around, dog. I see it every day. And then I went home, and I'm just going to Google Pictures of Earth from space. 

That's what he told me. Goes, go Google that. And then find some pictures. I go, I will. And I was going to text him all the ones I found. But then when I looked at him, he's like, damn, he may be right. These all look CGI ish, these guys. And then I scroll and I'm like, what? That's what got pictures, man. They're all CGI. And all those DVDs and documentaries of space, it's all CGI. 

They never showed you actual shit. And then once I started clicking on the pictures and they would all send me to NASA Gov, I'm like, wait, these are all come from moon missions. And then I realized, oh, my God, NASA controls all of this spaceship. Oh, shit. Then that's when I knew. I'm like, and then you find out that NASA admits that the pictures aren't real. They admit that they got. 

They lost the footage to the moon landing. How do you lose the footage of the moon landing? Yeah, exactly that. They lost everything. Like 17,000 hours of telemetry data or whatever, something like that. And then they lost it all. But the crazy thing is, they say, yeah, all these pictures are CGI composites because they have to be, because we take strips of data and then we got to stitch it together. 

And then we get a CGI artist to make his own rendition of it, and they go, but there is R1 picture from Earth, and that's the one that Neil Armstrong or Buz Aldrid took from the moon. I go, oh, so you got R1. 01 taken from the moon, but you guys fake that, so you're all full of shit. So at that point, I was like, oh, my God, I got to look into this flat Earth shit. 

And the more you look into it like a detective, no one ever goes flat and goes back to the ball. No one ever. I can't say. And I'm not going to go full retard on this. I'm not going to say it's all flat. I just say, I don't know. I don't know. I've never been up there, but I know, with Elon Musk, right? Going into this SpaceX launch, okay, before it even was launched, I was on my podcast, and I was like, it's going to fail. 

I just feel it. It's going to fail. So my question to you is, and it did fail. It failed. We exploded the rocket because we detonated it. Because we just felt like we needed to, like the fuck? Come on. So what's your thoughts on that? Did you watch that SpaceX launch, and do you believe there's permission? Isn't there a bunch of Space X launches though, well, this last one was supposed to go in 33 rocket engines, 33 go into space. 

And, bro, it doesn't make it, it explodes. And they said, well, we did that on purpose. My question to you is, it looks like if you see there's other videos floating around where it looks like to me, it punctured some kind of saline bag, like some kind of firmament, bro, that's what it looks like. I didn't see any black smoke. I didn't see any shit fall out of the sky. 

It went through something that it looked like water. You see this? Yeah. All the stars, when you look at stars through a telescope, they look like you're underwater. And if there was lights outside of a pool and you go under the water and look up at the lights through the water, that's what stars look like under telescopes. People are like, oh, you don't even know what stars look like under telescopes. 

It looks like a light through water. That's what it looks like. It doesn't look like it's round at all. No stars look round or like a ball at all. They look like some Electromagnetic pulse. And then during the day, the sky is completely blue like the ocean. That's a trip. Yeah, that's a trip. Right? And then how is the moon and the sun? I know you're not 100% on Flat Earth, but I'll give you a little statistic that 100% of the people that said that, that you don't want to 100% will eventually admit it. 

Eventually. You know how many podcast hosts have went through their flat Earth revelation during filming podcasts? Little by little, they talk about just like you, just like you, just little by little. I believe in densities, right? And I believe we're vibrating at a certain density. I think there's levels to this. That's what gravity is, it's a certain density. We're in this third dimensional density. And I think the higher you go, obviously, the higher the vibration or the higher the density. 

And I think the firmament there is to keep us in this three dimensional density. Do you get what I'm saying? So what do you think is outside the firmament? What do you think is outside of this, whatever that is, that we're in a lake surround, in the shoreline to like a bull. I don't know. This is me guessing based on what I've seen. And there's a bunch of lakes, dog. 

They're all over the place. This is just Earth lake, and we're surrounded by an ice wall. And there's plenty of video of it. There's plenty. You can go on YouTube and watch plenty of video of an ice wall. Bitch, that ain't no iceberg. That's an ice wall that goes on for miles and miles. We're surrounded. We're in a lake, and there's like an islands in a lake, and we're just one of the islands in this gigantic lake. 

The sun and the moon are really close to us. Sun's not 93 million mile away. The sun is very close and it goes around us. It hovers around us, and it appears that it's setting, but the sun is not setting. It's just going so far away, you can't see it. We're in a lake, and there's a bunch of lakes. Dude. What's your explanation for aliens? Are you going back? So me, it would have seemed to me that it would take you for me. 

In my awakening process, I left the Bible and I find myself doing. Going through my awakening. Extraterrestrials and a buru the whole thing. And now I'm going right back to the Bible. Like, what's happening? Yeah. At the end of the rabbit hole, the deepest rabbit hole is God. That's what happens. Everyone finds God. Everyone has their different religions. They call God, whatever, but the deeper you go down the rabbit hole, the bigger the chance you're going to find God. 

I believe in God. I don't know what religion is the right religion out there, everyone's saying, but the one thing that they all say is that there is an almighty God that somehow is in charge and created this. Who knows? Have you heard? There's a guy I just had on Joel, I forget his last name, but my audience will put it in a chat. He talks about abductions, right? And that the one main evidence he has that's documented, it's 600 cases of testimonies of stopping an alien abduction was in the name of Jesus Christ, and it stopped him immediately, and they never happened again. 

That's the only way to stop them that he is. And this guy's part of MUFOn. He goes to the UFO seminars, whatever, and he says that on record, the only way to stop them is through the name, through Jesus Christ. What's your thoughts on that, if that's true? I don't know. I believe a lot of the aliens and they drag them in and they make them think they want people to believe in aliens. 

They want it because their last card to play is going to be the fake alien invasion. That's the last one. So they need everyone to believe in aliens, to believe we're on a ball, infinite space, flying saucers. Aliens are going to attack. Which is why they had ancient aliens on for a decade. They were conditioning the public. Star Trek, Star wars ed. All that interstellar. They green light anything that has anything to do with space, they green light it. 

Even if the plot isn't necessarily a pro agenda, Pro 2030 agenda or whatever, even if it isn't, as long as the backdrop is space and ball planets floating, that's good enough for them. It would be great if they get a space movie with some new world Order agenda in there, which I think Star wars kind of is like, lord of the Rings is 100% the aliens are going to come get us if we don't unite. 

And in Lord of the Rings, the castles that didn't unite works ran through them. So Lord of the Rings is like, we all need to unite against the aliens. That's all that is. That's all predictive programming. Predictive programming. Yeah. We all need to unite against the evil aliens. I won't take any more of your time, brother. Man, it's been awesome talking to you, man. I appreciate you. So maybe I'll see you. 

Maybe I'll see you at a Browns game at some point. Hell yeah, man. The Browns game wasn't too thrilling Sunday, though. But Joe Flacco looked good, man. He looked good. I'm not giving up on the Browns. Were you on the field or did you up in the stands? No, I was up in the. Yeah. So Scott didn't bring you down on the field? No, man. He's got a job to do. 

He's busy dragging down. You can't be doing that kind of shit. You'd get fired. You'd get fired. I had tickets. I had tickets for like six. That's your game. That's your team. The Browns, that's your. Probably. See, my team's Dallas Cowboys, but you probably hate the Dallas Cowboys. I don't really give a shit about them. They're on the NFC, they're on the other side. I like Dak Prescott. 

He looks good. CD Lamb looks good. You know what I mean? But Micah Parsons, like I mentioned earlier, I pay attention. But the teams I hate are teams in the AFC north, like the Steelers and the. Hey, Eddie, thank you, man. Thanks for coming on my. We'll do part two on my show sometime soon. Let's do it. My man. Oh, yeah. Where do people find you? Where is your dropped? You know what? I never gave up on music. 

I never stopped writing music. I just dropped a new album. The band's called Hook Thieves, and the album's called Jar of Lies. And you could find that of lies. Jar of Lies. It's kind of like Alison chains. Exactly. A jar of lies. The album cover is the same album cover, except that kid has a mask on, and instead of having a jar of flies. So it's a tribute to Alison Chains, because usually I make serious, hard music, and this is like a comedy parody album, but it's all acoustic and piano, so it's kind of like Alison Chains. 

They were a heavy band, heavy grunge, with a lot of metal in them. But when they would do acoustic albums, they did jar of flies. That was acoustic. And they also did sap, which was an acoustic album. So that's kind of like, kind of a parody. Were you heavy into the grunge scene and all that, or. Not really. Alison Chains is in my soul, dog. But I wasn't really that into, like, nirvana and, like, pearl Jam. 

Nah. Darker. I like darker. I liked Nutshell change. Soundgard. Soundguard, right? Yes. Jesus Christ Bone. That's one of the greatest songs ever. Jesus Christ Bone. Yeah, bro, I'm with you on that. I like Temple the Dog. Stone Temple palace was okay, but my favorite 90s band has to be Alison Change. I like Pearl Jam, too, though. I do like Pearl Jam. They were too light for me, really. 

But you know what, Pearl Jam, I didn't really like any of their old stuff, really, at all, but the newer stuff. That song breathe, just breathe into the wild soundtrack, right? Yeah. I don't know. It's on something, but it's a newer Pearl Jam everybody knows. Just breathe. That's a huge song. I like that one. That one's undeniable. And they have a newer song called the Fixer. That's a good song. 

I haven't heard that one. Yeah, that's a good. It's like ten years old, but new compared to, like, token. You know what I mean? Yeah. One last thing. You know that kid, he passed away, man. The kid that was in the video, he died of a surfing accident or something, like, just a few years ago. The original kid in the video? Yeah. That's crazy. How about the original kid on the COVID of Nirvana's. 

Never mind that little baby that he's trying to sue them or something? Really? Something like that. Like, that guy wants his money, duDe. He's like 35 now. What is he like? He's got to be like 30 something now. Holy shit, bro. Anything could come back and bite you. In the ass, dog anything, Eddie. Thank you, my man. So where do people go, though? So they go to hook thieves, Jar of lies. 

Where's your website? Where do they go on? Tenthplanetj. com. Tenthplanetj. com? Yeah. Text it to me, dude. The single to the album is called El Coyote, and it's sung through the eyes of a human smuggler through the border. The Coyotes. So it's a joke song, but there's a music video, too. You go on YouTube. Hook thieves, El Coyote. It's a hilarious music video. Mike Beltran plays it into. 

We turned into a John Wick video. I wanted to make sure the video had no message. You don't know what is he, pro this or pro? It's just confusing on purpose. I love it. Well, it's like a day in the life in El Paso, dog. Shit. All right, Eddie, let's keep in touch, brother. Text me that 10th Planet G. I want to make sure I got it right. 

Okay, man. Thank you, dude. Appreciate you, man. Have a good day. You, too, bro. .