Hey, friends. Peggy hall back with you from thehealthyamerican. org I have a healthy American with me, and this is Mark Duramo. He has been standing up for freedom, and I'm talking about going to the line and not holding back, not giving in, giving up, or giving over his freedom. And first, I want to welcome you, Mark, for being on the show. This is the second time that we have had a chance to talk. 

Thank you, Peggy. I appreciate it. Well, it is great to have you here. I want to give just a little bit of background. Friends, you may have seen my interview with Mark. It was over two years ago in February of 2021. Mark and I were just saying how time has been flying by. But in certain ways, I feel like time has stood still because there are still so many people that I want to reach, and I know you do too, Mark, with ideas and actions that we can take to actually really safeguard our freedom and our liberty. 

And I am always so encouraged when people from younger generations are out there standing up, because this is your life ahead of you. And I am a person of great optimism. I know that you are, too. You're like a realistic optimist, I would say. You have these ideas, you know what you're faced with. And I want to let everybody know that Mark and I connected because he was teaching ESL English as a second language in Korea, and most of my career was in ESL, and I actually ran the teacher training programs at Irvine, and I've taught ESL students from all over the world. 

I think it's a very noble profession. But Mark was in Korea during all of the most strict shutdown, know all of this early hogwash. So he was like, oh, my gosh, I have got to find somebody outside of Korea or anyone who can see things the way that I do and can read between all these lies. And that's, Mark, you told me that's how you stumbled upon the healthy American. 

And then it's like, oh, my gosh, I found like minded people, and we can tackle this, know that we're not alone in our perspectives and our desire to stand for freedom, but it is difficult when you're just kind of out there on your own. So, Mark, let's just fast forward now. You got out of Korea. Where are you now? And then let's talk about kind of what you endured, and then we'll get into talking about actual solutions. 

So what would you like to fill in there for us? I'm living happily in Jacksonville, Florida. I love it here. I chose to come back to the States and live here. I'm originally from a small town in northeast Ohio, but there isn't much of a future for me there, even though it'll always be where my roots are. So I'm enjoying it. And I would say the one thing that people should know about me is that I'm forward thinking and I try to think outside the box. 

I have no problem exposing evil and spreading the truth, but I like to focus my energy most on positive solutions and getting stuff done. So I think that this message will resonate with a lot of people. I love that mark, it is very encouraging for me to see that you have persevered all of these years because in the early days we were talking about what can we do? What are some of the most pressing concerns and needs that we have? And certainly the parents were concerned about getting their children out of school, people were concerned about getting medical care and then for many of us, we felt that we were and we were we didn't just feel it, we literally were trapped with limited mobility, not being able to hop on a plane. 

I had many invites to go speak at different places in different states and you know, unless you're sending a private jet or some kind of caravan, I can't get there because it will be several days of travel and I am not going to get on a plane and suffocate myself. Do you know, Mark, that I was invited to one of these off grid living groups to speak at one of their events in 2020 in Mexico? And I was so excited about that and I asked one of the organizers, how did you guys all get there? Because is there some plane that you chartered or is there an airline that I don't know about? And they said, oh no, we had to wear a mask. 

And I'm going, wait a minute, you're running a program on getting off grid and sort of not complying with authority, but you just complied with authority and that's just one of many examples. So I really love that you're forward thinking and that you're a man of action. And I just want to give a little aside to our viewers that Mark has written me letters, physical letters in the mail that I've replied to. 

And please be patient with me, everybody. I'm woefully behind in my correspondence, but that's because I've heard from so many of you. And I do appreciate your support and kind words and cards and letters. And Mark said, you know, well Mark, why don't you tell me you felt a little frustrated trying to reach out and get the groups going. So tell us what happened after you came back to Jacksonville. 

I had trouble connecting in the early going. I came down here mainly for a new experience. I was thrilled to be back in America but things were not quite totally back and I still feel that they're not in a lot of ways this is a constant battle but we can all admit that the old normal won't be coming back. Not that I want the old normal, but it's true these last few years have not been easy on us and just look back at some of what we've had to endure since the beginning of 2020. 

The takeaway of free speech, our educational system going down the drain, our police force, military, our sports leagues, even some of our churches going woke. The crime and destruction of our liberal run cities which were once beautiful safe cities. The deaths and livelihoods ruined due to people blindly following the experts. I feel very sad about that. It's hard not to pay a little bit of attention to it because we're curious but it is frustrating. 

But there's still a lot of good in the world and still a lot to be happy about and it's important to face the fact that we have a lot of problems to fix and we need to hit them head on and not by avoiding them. What I still notice from an outsider's perspective is that there's a specific action step that we've been doing for a long time that many people still think will make a difference on its own in saving our country and making society better. 

This is just my opinion, but here's what I think. It might come as a shock, but I don't think we're going to turn things around by continuing to rely on waking people up and spreading awareness because we've been doing that for the past four years. I think that we've gone as far as we can go with that. By now we should all know that the government doesn't solve problems. 

It's the root cause of most of them. Our national and state elections, if they're not rigged, they're unreliable. Everything that we are seeing unfold has been done by design to destroy the very fabric that our republic was founded on, which are religious and conservative principles with liberty and justice being number one. And there's a plan by the evildoers behind all of that. Now the people who are still asleep about all of this or just refuse to admit that they've been deceived all this time at this point we just have to leave them behind to rot. 

We cannot afford to waste any more of our own time and energy trying to wake them up to reality or else we're going to rot and lose our country in the process. And I don't want to see that happen. So if we truly call ourselves freedom fighters, I think we need to get off the couch and go on to step number two which is taking action. And here's what I mean by that. 

The main way for us, we the people, to take back the power in our country is this formally uniting to completely ignore the government so they become obsolete, which is their biggest fear. How do we do that? We do that by taking a break from all of these negative headlines that are meant to divide us, get people out of living in the Matrix, start controlling our own sovereignty and start building our own communities that are off the grid, self reliant, and self sustaining. 

Peggy, your talk with Heather regarding the home learning was so inspiring. And I don't call it homeschooling because the last thing we need is to replicate the school experience at home. So I call it home learning. I love that. But regarding that, that's the exact type of thing that we need in all areas across the board, not just in child or teenage education. But we need people with active minds coming up with original ideas in what do we take an interest in food and nutrition, health and wellness goods and services, animal care, public transportation, music, sports, anything that we can rely on and take an interest as the public, as we're just trying to get by in this world. 

And I'll come at you with an idea that I'm specifically talking about today, and that's air travel. Okay, so I have a question, and the question that I'd like to ask everybody out there who's tuning in. When was the last time that you were happy to experience flying on an airplane? Not the aftermath of reaching your final destination, but the flying experience itself in the airport and on the airplane. 

Has anybody looked forward to having to deal with all of that since 911, 2001? Yeah, that is heavy, mark, the TSA, the screening, all of that restriction of our freedom of movement, our Fourth Amendment rights of privacy being trampled on, being exposed to those X rays, or I call them cancer in the cancer screening booth there. And, yeah, I would say most people would, unless they're flying private, would say it's not something to look forward to. 

The delays, the cancellations, the crowds, all of that. I would be surprised and shocked if one person said, I enjoy that. I look forward to that. But that's what we all have had to do to get to where we need to be. And that's not all. Just think about all the hassles and inconveniences that we have to put up with just to get to the airport these days. 

The distance to and from the traffic jams, the crazy drivers out there, the price of gas, the tolls, the parking. And Peggy, you mentioned all of the things in the airport. Exactly. Them running the whole operation like prison wardens. It's just not a safe, healthy environment. Let's just call a spade a spade. This system that they installed without our consent is not working. Because if the system was working, then everybody would be happy with it instead of everybody being fed up with it and complaining about it all the time. 

And yes, I mean everybody. I understand that the Patriot Act, signed by George W, was responsible for instituting all of that, and that these airlines, for the most part, give or take, operate under the control of the government. And there's always the threat of terrorism, and it's always a dangerous time to fly right now. And the bodily rights violations are all for our safety. They've been giving those same excuses for 22 years and counting. 

I get it. But here's the problem. Of all the people who complain about this failed system, nobody is doing anything about it to make it better. A lot of people think that because we're not in the government, we're powerless to do anything to make society better, when in fact that's not true. The power resides in us no matter who we are. But unfortunately, all we've done for way too long is comply with whatever regulations the airlines have instituted, no matter how immoral or unconstitutional they are, and they're not going away. 

So it's all the people who continue to buy tickets all the time and comply with all of the abuse since 911 that paved the way for their most egregious behavior to happen during COVID when everything hit rock bottom and the airlines turned into an arm of the police state that should have never happened. I like to compare this situation to making changes in the healthcare industry, which is also a broken system here in America. 

It's not going to fix itself because there's too many greedy, corrupt individuals at the top censoring the good doctors and trying to make health decisions for the rest of the population. That's what COVID was all about societal control. If we don't unite and fix the system that's been in place for years by breaking away from it and undo the damage that has been done to it by the government, what will happen is that the whole medical profession will turn into an arm of the police state. 

It's bad enough as it is with big tech acting as a marketing arm for the government and the government acting as a marketing arm for the pharmaceutical drug companies. Not to get off topic, but relating all of this to flying, ask yourself, do I want to continue to support this ongoing ridiculousness in order to fly? And if the answer is yes, then all good people have been doing that for years and nothing will change for the better. 

Everything is a choice. If the answer is no, I'm just providing an alternative. I'm simply putting the word out that there is something that we can do about it. And when I talk about solutions, I'm talking about solutions that are practical and realistic. Since we have so many different ways to communicate in this day and age and stay connected, why don't we as the public take advantage of that, unite and become a network and create our own way to fly freely and unimpeded? Does that sound off base? I love this mark because that was my dream over these last few years. 

And so many people were separated from their loved ones. There were people that were in other countries, there were people that were just across the country that were unable to travel or let me say, they chose not to because they would not comply. And this is one of their ways to isolate and further inflict that psychological and emotional trauma on us. Because right when people wanted to come together and be with friends and family and feel like they had a place to flee or escape, it was like the prison doors closed. 

So this is something that is of utmost interest to me, and please go on. I know there are a lot of people out there, regardless of profession, who are tired of this corrupted system and want something better. I do, too. We all have our own reasons to fly, and if this message doesn't interest you, that's fine. I'm just going to like minded people. We fly for business, family, pleasure or the occasional quick weekend getaway. 

There are many different areas of the country that we long to see. People want to do that in a way that is affordable and convenient, with their rights respected, and to be with their friends and loved ones, not having to deal with the whole airport experience and be packed in like sardines and having to sit next to rude strangers during the experience. But what I'm doing is building a community of people who want those things and we're basically working on making it happen. 

So when people, if they might ask, what is your plan, Mark? What is your plan? I guess you could look at it as the fractional ownership model, a shared co op in which we all own a portion or a share in the operation. None of us can afford our own plane by ourselves, right. But what can we do? We can work together to secure one if we have this shared vision, and we can maybe get a second one down the line if we make small achievable goals and this becomes a success. 

So I'm starting a pioneering group for that to happen, and we're going to be the first ones to do it. Well, that is so thrilling, Mark. I know that Dolores Cahill put forth something in the early days, which to my knowledge, was more like a vacation charter flight, and I know you've got more information on that. People will want to know what the difference is. And of course, we're going to want to talk details about how people can get connected with you to be a part of this pioneering group and what kind of requirements. 

So, please go on. Yes. You mentioned Dolores Cahill. I think it's cahill. Yes. I think that's it, yeah. In the early days of the Hogwash, there was Dolores, and I think she's from Ireland. She was one of the first ones to become famous, to an extent, for fighting back and not complying with the COVID measures in Europe. And she did this using her knowledge about natural law and natural rights and being able to communicate all of that through her verbal abilities and then she would share about her personal experiences dealing with the authority figure hogwashers in Europe. 

And I give her props for that. The information that she shared was good and probably accurate. And then she came out with an idea or her team did about putting together a charter group that travels around freely. It became known as Freedom Travel Alliance. I kept up a little with what they were doing at the time, but I soon came to the realization that their plan for it was to be like a destination airline that flew you to and from specific locations of their choosing. 

It wasn't about where you want to go, it was about where they want to go. And for an X amount of time. And you had to pay to become a member of their club for the rights to buy a ticket. And the tickets were priced at anywhere from 1000 to a couple thousand dollars each. That was then things may have changed. The trips were only scheduled to be a couple of times per year. 

So you're mercy of them for everything. And they seem to cater to only a specific type of people. Not to mention the fact that Dolores and Suzanne Sweeten are impossible to get a hold of if you have any questions. But I used to get their emails and video clips where they would sit around with a guest and talk about freedom and how bad things are around the world. 

But I don't know if anything came to fruition in terms of actual flights and sustainability. Yeah, I don't know that there ever were any flights. I'd have to check that too. But I do agree that it was more like you could fly from Ireland to, you know, Ireland to Brazil I think was kind of open back. This is, I think a lot of people heard about that. It does give credence to the concept that people want an alternative way. 

So yes, please keep going on your plan. At the time that idea sounded good, but it doesn't really get us anywhere with what we're doing. My idea is different. We're building something here that is based on what we want, not what some higher ups want who just reap in enormous profits and all of that. We're just a network of individuals who are working together to make something happen. 

I want this to be affordable, hands on and transparent. I want to connect with you directly, which is the way things should be for the person at the helm, in my opinion. But I've never believed that flying privately with your rights respected should be something only reserved for the wealthy. That's never sat well with me and it never will. There's going to be no centralized power structure from the top down. 

I don't believe in that. We, the people and the pilots in our network will be working together, controlling the operation, owning our own resources, going to where we want to go when we want to. So that's a little more about my plan. Mark, how can people get in touch with you personally if they want to learn more about this and be involved? It's easy. Just email me directly at FS 19 OS 80. 

I'll get back to you within a short amount of time. And for some people might be wondering out there how many people are in your group or something. We currently have a little over 50 individuals in our network so far. I don't know if that's considered to be a lot by some people or not a lot, but of the people who are in our network, we are composed of social workers, real estate agents, healthcare practitioners, entrepreneurs, businessmen, musicians, teachers, people who work outdoors, some retired folks. 

Even better, we also have a certified freedom minded pilot who is interested in being a part of this. He's currently working on getting his IFR rating, which stands for Instrument Flight Rules, so that he can fly at different levels of visibility. The only bad news is that we only have one of them so far. I would love to get another in our network who is an independent thinker, freedom minded, and wants to give back to society instead of being so wrapped up in himself or herself. 

For some reason, pilots like that are so hard to find. And I don't know why you would think it wouldn't be that way, but it is. But up until now, we've been pretty private about our progress, but we're now going about it in a more public way. We're always open to new people joining us. Our beginning operating expenses that we have to take into account because there's always those such as fuel, oil, hanger, engine reserve, maintenance fees, all of that they're pretty much taken care of in advance, largely due to the funds that I've saved over the years. 

Combined with the help from our group members, I would say we're about 30% of the way to our goal as far as getting this project off the ground. But I will say that we're so much farther along now than where we were at the beginning of this year when it was at 1%. For a long time. Just got to be patient, give it some time. But I'm very excited about this, about the possibilities that this could lead to, because people want to be a part of this. 

Well, that's really exciting, Mark, because I know when we were having our written correspondence and there was some frustration, like, wow, I've got this idea, it's hard to get people what's been how have you been able to get your message out? Are you on social media? Are there groups where people know physically show up? Do they have to be in Florida, or is this all around? It would be nice if the people were based in my area, but they're actually not. 

They're mainly scattered around the country. That's why a part of me is like, how can I make this work? It's mainly based on direct communication, which I'm old school. I'm all about that. I do have a Rumble channel that I don't post on a lot. I used to have a YouTube channel where I would speak out about it. Got shut down early on because my truth was too hot to handle. 

But it's basically just me connecting with other people, putting the word out. That's how I operate. I'm not afraid to. The problem these days, with so much greed and corruption in this world, it takes more than just not complying with evil. That's a big part of it. But we don't seem to care anymore about being proactive, going on the offensive. In protecting our freedom, we seem to lack the urge to develop meaningful relationships outside of our own immediate family. 

We tend to sit back and rely way too much on authority figures and voting to solve things when that's been proven to do next to nothing. In creating positive change, meeting in person to get stuff done is imperative. And when you don't have that, like, I don't hardly ever can't beat this, right? People are afraid to do that. Building close personal connections, that's imperative. That's what I'm doing. 

Taking action by building this community well, it's really encouraging. And you've been persevering for so long. And before we hopped on the show, you said something that was very riveting about how difficult you thought it was and then the reality of when you started working on it. Tell me a little bit more about that. It took a lot of time to get the message across to people, and you can't be so hard about it. 

Like, boom. It's just establish relationships. It starts with a simple, hello, how is your day? What is your interest? What do you like to do? Every now and then some person in passing will say, I just got back from a trip. I went here, I went there, I'm going out of town next week. And then it starts that way. And that's been missing in today's day and age. 

And it's just that, you know what? Maybe we can stay in touch. I'm interested in improving that process for you. If you like to fly, you don't want to have to deal with all of that, right? You want to do a better way. So that kind of way. So that's how it starts and just persevering it. Not everyone is down with the idea. You get a lot of rejection, but that can get numb after a while, and it doesn't really affect me a lot. 

Lack of interest, and that's them. Go on. I like what you said. You said, I'm looking for like minded people. And if that's not you, that's okay, because I want to talk to people that are interested. And so let the others go by and next so you talked about, instead of just trying to wake up other people. It may be we've reached our point now if they haven't really had their alarms go off with everything that we've been through, everything that we're continued to be faced with, it's time to take action and then not taking action. 

In my view, and I think you agree with me, Mark, not taking action is actually harder than taking action. Because if you're taking action, you are not sitting on the couch. You don't have time to complain. It's actually very empowering. Even if the action doesn't yield the results, you may not realize that you're planting the seeds down the way. And speaking about, you mentioned healthcare is one of those areas. 

Of course, the home learning is one of those areas. Travel is huge. And there have been so many in the medical profession over these last few years that have done a 180 in terms of their view of how do I put this? Introducing unwanted products into their body. And they say, I'm never going to do that again. I used to do it every year and now everything that I went through, it actually backfired. 

It made me question what's going on. So I want everybody to understand that there is I'm very optimistic by nature and I am seeing more and more people that are saying, let's really see what we can do to create something better. I do have a question for you, Mark. Tell me your ultimate vision. What do you see? Like how many flights, where are they located, how many planes, how many people, what amount of money? Just so I can get a little more tangible about this is where we're going with this? I'd love to know. 

One plane for now. I'm not shooting for anything past that, because you can get overwhelmed with that. And I don't like to say I'm starting an airline because that's too big of a word. That's why this is just a network of individuals. We have to make small goals and leading up, we need a little more time, resources and all that. And we're just going forward. Since the beginning, nothing has been backwards with each person that hears the word and is passed on from their friends, that's progress. 

So it's a very expensive thing, but as long as we have a couple of pilots, we're not there yet, but I believe we will be. We could make some changes here and go down in the history books, but that'll be far down the road. That's why I try not to get too far ahead of myself. But I would say just one plane for now as a group effort, whoever and whenever people want to contribute, and we discuss that privately on our zoom calls and all that, the particulars, that's fine with me. 

I love to see people taking action. It makes me feel good. Part of what makes our country so great is that. The easy access to information, the healthy exchange of ideas, the differences of opinions, the feeling that we can make a difference. But the hard reality is this there are so many podcasters and YouTubers out there saying virtuous things, giving interviews, giving lectures, sermonizing and writing books, and that's fine. 

But for some of these people, that's all they do. It stops there. They don't take any risks or chances. They don't put themselves out there. They don't allow for any ways for the public to connect with them directly, simply saying, listen to my podcast, follow me on Twitter, go to my website, support my patreon. Saying those things repeatedly without any action gets old very quickly. And that's why I consider myself to be different from people like Joe Rogan or Mike Adams, patrick Bette, David Yunmi, park, every host on, you know, I'm interested in doing something about the problem, know, not just continuing to dwell on how bad things are around the world that can drive you crazy. 

Absolutely. And Mark, you talked about the pilots and how you want to have more. That was the parallel that I was trying to draw with the medical professionals, that there were many that want to exit that system. They don't want to participate any longer. They want to create something better. And so think about all of the airline pilots that were subjected to these illegal, illegitimate measures in order to keep their job without the jab through the healthy American. 

Many of them got their education and did not comply with what was required of them. But many of them retired because they didn't know or they just felt, it's not worth it. I'm going to take my retirement, but they still want to fly. So that was my point of drawing the parallel between those that are in the medical field that kind of went along with everything that was required of them, and now they're like, we're not going to go along with that anymore. 

So it seems to me that there can be a population of pilots that would be interested in flying in freedom and not be subjected to this type of regulations, illegal regulations that they were previously right. I really want them to break away from the current system that they I know a lot of them are unhappy and I know a lot of healthcare workers are unhappy. So that's why I was drawing that parallel. 

I'm for the most part, a healthy human being. I never try to deal with that or hardly ever get sick like you. But I want to make changes in that field because I know it will affect me in the future. I don't know when, but I take an interest in it. It can be an area of contention, but I just have not seen anybody step up in the sense that, okay, I don't care if I'll look bad. 

We're saying, enough, we're going to do something about this. They may be out there, but I just don't know of any. So I couldn't sit back anymore. I've had this idea brewing for a couple of years, but I didn't really put it into motion what was going on in my head since the end of last year. These airlines and the healthcare system, they're not going to fix themselves because the government is not going to fix itself. 

But understand, the work has to come from us in doing it. Well, that is really inspiring. Mark, I'm going to have your email address linked, and if anybody isn't sure how to get in touch with Mark, just email support@thehealthyamerican. org. We will pass along your interest. Even if you're just like, hey, I don't know if I can get involved, but I'm curious. I want to learn more. Can I get on the Zoom call or whatever level of participation that they may be interested in? I will definitely funnel that to you. 

It's funny. You said you hardly ever get sick. I've just got a little touch of laryngitis, a little tickle in my throat here. And you're so right that it's up to us to make these changes, and I am not of the mindset of everything is spiraling down, and we'll never get back. This is our opportunity for something better that actually feeds into the narrative of those who want to oppress you. 

All right? Those that want to psychologically that want to inflict psychological despair, that I believe is the strongest weapon. There's confusion, there's isolation, there's deception. But for you to feel like life is over, there's no meaning, that's their end game. And I've spoken about that on this channel. We are of like, minds in that taking action will help you rise above those feelings of, I don't know what to do. 

Do something, meet with somebody, have some conversations. There is so much growth and development that comes when you have people together, sharing ideas, different perspectives, asking questions, posing challenges. That is how anything really of value on a large scale is created. So I really applaud you for that, Mark. I would like to be on that airline. Do you have any financial number that you guys are going toward right now, or is that still in the works as well? For the first phase? It's more of a secret right now. 

Okay. Yeah, we're building up to it. Okay. Because I know there are people that might want to contribute financially as well, even if they may not want to fly. They believe in what you're doing. They want to see these kinds of things succeed. There may be people that have money that they want to invest again. I don't know all the financial particulars, but what I would like to do, Mark, is to have you back on, let's say, in another period of months, when you have some news to share and we can look back at this interview and you can say, hey, Peggy, here's what's happened. 

Since I was able to reach more people with my message, and here's where we are now. And I would love to check in and follow this story. It's something that is of great interest to me, and I know it's of great interest to others. I want everybody to look at the bigger picture of what Mark's doing. He's got his project of is there a name for your project, Mark? Not yet. 

Okay. He's got the unnamed project about travel. Next time about, you know, flying in Liberty, whatever the case may be. So that's one project. But I would love to just emphasize the fact, the bigger picture, that you have an idea, you're going after it, you're undeterred. You don't really know what you're doing, but you don't have to know what you're doing because you learn it as you're doing it. 

That's how most things are done. And I want that to be an encouragement. Go ahead. I want that to be an encouragement for others. That's really resonating because I don't know much about the particulars of flying. But this is exciting because I'm learning right now and I've learned so much about that. And I don't really have an interest per se to become a pilot. It's not my passion, but a lot of us have the passion to fly freely and independently as a passenger. 

I know that's in a lot of us because I talked to many of you out know those of. So I just thought somebody needed to take the bull by the horns and step up to the plate with that. I love that mark. And your feelings of frustration in Korea now have been replaced by feeling productive. You're collaborating, you're contributing, you're creating, you're not complaining. You're actually doing something. 

And that's the biggest takeaway of this interview. And I'm so grateful to have you on board. Stick with me for just one moment, friends. You can always find me. I'd like you to go to my substac. It's Peggyhall substack. com. That's the way that we can keep in touch. You can subscribe for free. I send out my newsletters a few times a week with some deep dives on topics that are of interest to you. 

And if the bad guys see fit to silence my voice on this platform, you can find me on my backup channel, Living Swell. You can find me on Rumble and others. But really, if you go to substac, that is our way. Like I like to say, outwit the knitwits where we can stay in touch. And I'm grateful, Mark, that you've been in touch all this time. Friends, Mark is one of my supporters. 

He is in the private monthly webinars that we do. And I know, Mark, you've made some contacts in that group. People share in the chat. And I just want to thank you for being an active and positive, healthy American. It's exactly, my friends, what we need to do in order to keep moving this ship ahead. So stick with me. Mark. Thanks for being on board. Everybody, I'll have info where you can connect with Mark Duramo and be inspired by not complaining, but creating, taking action. 

It makes a difference. .