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And it's a huge problem. One of the main things that she deals with is such a huge problem, and it's growing, and it's growing because of vaccines. For the large part. Now, there's some other things going on, too, but for a large part, it's this. So it's my privilege to welcome back to the Sons of Liberty Carrie Rivera. Good to see you, Carrie. Hi, Tim. Thanks for having me back. 

It's great to see you again. It's been such a long time. Oh, it has. And you've got high tech. We were talking our friend Bob Sisson has got her a nice he's got her a nice background back to we're planning on having him here next month in November. To launch his Gospel in the Stars app. And so I'm really looking forward to doing that. But I'm thrilled that you guys are so close and that he's taken care of. 

The background looks great. And so it's been a while since you've been on. Now I got with Kate, kate wanted to bring you on her show and I think she did that a few months back. But tell us what's been going on with you because it's probably been, what, maybe two years since we've had you on the show or something like that. Been some time. It's been some time, yeah. 

Well, life didn't get easy for people who use chlorine dioxide. As you probably know, the grenins are sitting in jail. Mark and his sons are sitting in jail. And then they had one of those show trials for 30 minutes and the judge just said, okay, you're going to jail for twelve years. And these are people that never harmed anybody in their lives. They're preaching the Bible, they're helping people get healed. 

Just really unfortunate things that should never happen, but are happening because our country tis of thee is apparently been hijacked. So in the meantime, for people like me, it's not a great place to be because chlorine dioxide is so effective at healing kind of most everything, I mean, not to say everything, but it can make a big dent in stuff. Like some things, like, for example, with autism. 

And how I fell into that one was my kid got better almost overnight. He didn't recover overnight, but he got better almost overnight. So then you say, oh, what's happening here? And that was 2010, so now we're end of 2023. So basically what happens is you start to see the world differently. You start to say, well, if this is working, why aren't we all embracing this? I'm just telling you what I saw and what I continued to see. 

So, yeah, the attacks came fast and furious and they came by these quote unquote journalists and online troll terrorists and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, life has been a little bit hairy over the last few years, but of course it's always hottest when you're over the target. That's right, yeah. I like that thing there online troll terrorists that's actually really good. We come in contact, they're absolutely terrorists. 

And actually the one that's been after me the longest, I mean, just an utter nightmare and utter crazy, like a psychopath, this kind of thing. Like when they're on, it's not even a healthy mind, this person, but her court system in her country, they finally put a gag on her for two years, so she has to be off, which is exhausting. It's exhausting. It's like, go do something good with all that energy. 

Go find something good to do. Because what she does and there's a few people that follow her as well, I mean, they're just wasting their time on Earth yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree. And let me get this out of the way because you use the word heal and stuff like that. We're going to talk about some of these things. But I want people to understand, look, if you want medical advice, go see the medical quack with the white lab clothe on that makes you feel warm and fuzzy, if that's what you want. 

We're here to give you information. And anything that you choose to do, you do of your own will. After you go and you seek out the information you feel comfortable with. I'm not telling anybody to do anything. Neither is Carrie. We're just going to give you some information. Carrie, I noticed that I went over to your site and I know that you've kind of revamped that a little bit. 

I was going to show people this a little bit. But you've got all kinds of people that you're interviewing now. Are all these people is this dealing with chlorine dioxide? Are you dealing with some other issues as well? You know what, I wanted to well, again, my friend Bob Sisson, I was like, I really would like to do a show on Bridey and I'd really like to have a show and I see it as like I would interview people that I admire or people that I think are interesting. 

And like you and I were talking know, sometimes there's these political sides. Like Brideon is mostly Mike Adams is prepping and stuff like that. But it kind of goes back to the politics and the world caving in and that sort of thing. So I thought, wouldn't it be fun to do something like that, interview interesting people? Like, I had somebody on the other day who was into astrology and does all these chart just interesting things, okay, that wasn't health, for example, but it was out of the box. 

Something kind of interesting and you want to hear what people have to say. And then interviewing people about different products, for example, that's another thing that I do sometimes. Or last week I had on one of our Bride on people he was been to Russia and he's been in Europe and just some of the different stuff he's done some interesting stuff with. You know, I just pick and choose people that I think are utterly interesting. 

Some of my favorites. Dr. Mark Circus, dr. Heinz Reinwald. I had, you know, right after Jim Humble passed away the beginning of September, I said, Will you come on and we can talk about I saw really who founded thank you. Who really founded this movement that I considered Bob and I to be a part of a strong part, you know, that was nice to be able to talk about anyway. 

So that's kind of what I'm doing over on Brideon. But I just like it. It's something it's an outlet for know, one thing is I talk about the chlorine dioxide and other things. I ask people about what they're doing, what they're seeing. Yeah. And I think that's a good thing. I have a lot of that, too. I tell people that I bring people on the show that do one of two things. 

Either they're out there doing the stuff they're out there doing the stuff that we talk about, or they're confronting the culture, whether it's in the issues of health or politics or whatever it is, or it's somebody I can learn something from because we should all be learners. If we're going to be a teacher, then we have to be a good learner, right? We have to be able to listen and even listen to people maybe we don't agree with you were making mention of astrology. 

I don't agree with astrology, but I can listen to somebody in their reasoning. And of course, my mindset is going to be to try to get them out of this thing of looking to the stars and looking to the one who made the stars. So that's my angle on things of that nature. And so when I have people on we've had Muslims on, we've had people who profess that they don't believe in God on. 

And in all of those, it gives opportunity to hear a little bit about them. And pretty much everybody has something that's interesting in their life, and so you can grab that, but then you can have means of opening up a conversation for something else. So I'm glad to hear that you're doing that. And we've done some of those things, too. I told you about Bob and I and Kate all getting into the Lifewave thing at Red Peel and that was a lot of fun, and it's been very beneficial. 

We've had some people talk about that. But your situation is very unique in that you had a child who had autism. And I want you to kind of help people understand this thing of autism, what it is, what it isn't. Can we go there first? What is autism and what it's not? Is it really Rain Man? Are we talking Dustin Hoffman stuff here, or is it something different than that? That's sort of a glamorized view of it. 

What is autism and what is it not? Help people understand that we're in 2023 right now and autism is now affecting one in 24 boys. So we're looking at an epidemic. So we know it's not genetic because you cannot have a genetic epidemic. Otherwise it would have expired many moons ago, right? That God didn't make a mistake. So obviously we're still here, and it's definitely not a genetic situation. 

So what's happening? And why is it worse now that we're in this toxic world? So what are we doing to these babies? They come out, they're fine. They look, they coup, they crawl, they roll over, they do all this stuff, they start to talk, and then all of a sudden, child stops making eye contact. They stop pointing, they stop whatever they were doing, they stopped doing it. The only thing they maintain doing is basically walking. 

And then everything else starts to change. So what happens? What are the only possibilities of things that are happening? And if you talk to any parent who has a child on the autism spectrum, and again, this word autism is like a label, it means something else. And of course, when we talk about the people, the lab coats and we talk about the pharmaceutical companies, what are they doing to us? Why do we keep falling for it? This is exactly what's happening right now. 

If a child is born in 2023, they're going to receive 72 vaccines before they're two years old. And people say, no, my kid didn't get that many. Do you know how many vaccines are in each needle that they get? So if they're getting one needle today, there can be up to eight vaccines inside of that. That's crazy. This is totally insane. And of course, the day they're born, especially if they're born in either, what do you call it, like public hospitals or the downtrodden areas or whatever, they have this philosophy that we must vaccinate because they're not going to come back for a while. 

The baby's born probably fine, healthy, and then they get hepatitis B and influenza B the day they're born. And why do they need this? They don't need it because these are not diseases that newborns get. So the whole thing starts to derail the immune system. So actually, I think it would be more correct to call it a vaccine injury instead of calling it autism. Because autism sounds like, oh, poor little kid, they were born like that. 

No, they weren't. Our kids were not born like that. Our kids had a period of time where they were normal, and then there's the occasional person. It's like, well, the birth was really bad and he was kind of a floppy baby. But then you have other stuff that happens at birth. There's kids that come out with like light cerebral palsy, for example, not diagnose. The doctor says, oh, your kid's fine, take him home. 

He's like, can't keep his head up. But they could also have had stressful deliveries and things of this nature too. So a lot of stuff happens on the day that a child is born, which is not necessarily what we'd want. And of course that whole I didn't do it thing, the doctor doesn't want to be holding the bag when the kid has cerebral palsy. There could be a lawsuit easily. 

And then, of course, that doctor wasn't really his fault. Baby didn't come out on time or there was didn't turn or whatever, all these problems that we can have. But autism is now affecting one in 24 boys. I think it's like one in 30 some when we include the girls. But this is epidemic. We're just in an explosion of cases. How is this possible? What's going on? And we know it's not genetic because we can't have a genetic epidemic, but what's happening? And of course, I would say in the last 20 years that I've been in the autism world, I have met a handful of people saying to me, I've never vaccinated. 

But usually those people, like I said, they either had one of them, for example, was a circumcision child, went in at nine months. He was perfectly fine. He was sitting up, he was crawling, whatever he was doing, saying some words, and went in for the circumcision, came out anesthesia. And guess what? Nonverbal. Really? Yeah. So anything that you do, whether it's rounds and rounds of antibiotics, whether it's anesthesia or whether it's vaccines, we seem to get this autism label. 

And again, I believe that it means something totally different, but we'll just go ahead and leave it at that because we're not going to be able to change the diagnostic tool that they're using. But the autism thing again, back in the Rain Man day, because Dr. Bernard Rimlin was the executive producer of the movie Rain Man, and he started the Autism Research Institute in 1970. His son was the motivating factor for Rain Man. 

He was extremely brilliant. And Dr. Rimlin wrote the first book against the refrigerator. Mother. So Dr. Rimlin was a psychiatrist from the US marines Navy, I think it was Naval. Oh my gosh. He was Naval. He was Naval. He was a naval psychiatrist. Sorry about that. He was a naval psychiatrist. And his son was different. He was born, I think, in the 50s, but born different. He was different. 

And he had two sisters. And of course, when they went to get a diagnosis for him, they said, well, what's wrong with him? Oh, he has autism. And they said, what's that cause? He said, well, from the mother being refrigerator mother is that quote unquote, but from the mother being too cold and didn't give him the warm love. And he says, well, I have three kids and two of them are perfectly but this was the thinking, Tim, back then. 

This is like the dark, like you can't do anything. They're just like that and just go home and make some more and forget about that. This was thinking back in the day. And so Dr. Rinland, of course, said, well, my wife is a great mother of all three of my kids, and two of them don't have autism. So now what's up? He began his investigation, and it took him about four years to write the book. 

It came out in 1964. And the name of the book. You can still get it today on Amazon. It's called Infantile Autism. And he goes to explain that his belief at that time was that there's biologically something different about these kids. There's something going on. He didn't know exactly what was going on yet or where it was coming from at that point. But he knew something was up. 

And so once the book was released, he started to get a bunch of letters. I had lunch with him. That's why I got the story directly from him. And there's some stuff yeah, that's it. That's it. An amazing man, his wonderful wife. They did just really great work to bring a lot of information to people like me who I walk on the stones that they laid in the road. 

And so, anyway, people started sending him letters and they were like, I do omega three with my child and he's talking more. Or, I changed to a gluten free Casey and free diet with my daughter, and she's doing great. So he started to collect these letters and then he started to kind of compile the information. And then, like I said, he opened Autism Research Institute in 1970. And then that was followed by Dan, which was called Defeat Autism Now, which they ended up having to stop using the term dan because of the divers network. 

So, anyway, now they call it Maps. But the basic thing is that autism is avoidable and treatable. And we won't use the C word because they get real upset about that. Sure, there are so many cases of remission because that's how we have to talk of remission of autism. When you make these biological changes, it's not about medication from the pharmacy. It's about making some changes inside of the body to help it to work better and get rid of some of the pathogens and the heavy metals and the inflammation, oxygen, stress. 

But he was the first person to bring people together to be able to say, okay, let's really think about this. And he did that. He did that until he passed away in 2006. And that really made I mean, what we're doing today what I'm doing today is all because of Dr. Rimland. Because if he had not said anything, who would? Like they say, if not me, who? And if not when? Well, that was him, because there was nobody else coming up behind him to write a book like that. 

Yeah, Kerry, you're making my wheels turn here in my head, when you're talking about this guy who has the circumcision and then the baby gets autism. This is nine months down the road. I've only heard of autism with vaccinations. But then you also said other pharmaceuticals, anesthesias and stuff like this. How many people are getting what they call autism from anesthesia? Well, I've worked with a handful. I've worked with a handful over the years. 

Yeah, I've worked with a handful over the years. And also, these people that are getting these repeated antibiotics, like, they start having ear infections. So I'll see parents this is very common right now. I see a lot of parents, especially in the last few years, they've woken up that there's something wrong with the vaccines. I don't want that for my child yet. Then they get sick. They get these bad ear infections, and they get the doctor. 

Well, they're going to lose their hearing and you've got to and of course, it's a lot of pain. So the parents, we succumb to what's best for our child. And what's best for our child is that they're out of the pain and they're out of the fever and all that kind of stuff. So we give them the medications, and in some cases, the medications reduce their speech. It reduces their eye contact, IQ. 

There's a lot of stuff that starts to happen. Learning disabilities and diets not helping. There's so much toxicity in our food. We try to eat organic, but of course, even the organic is grown right next to the non organic, and they're spraying with prop dusters. So we know that that stuff is kind of mixing around. So difficult to live a very clean life in a toxic world, but a great thing. 

And here's what I tell people, too, about that kind of thing with the organic. When I get my carrots for doing juicing or get the lemons or the apples or any of that other stuff, I make a bowl up of chlorine dioxide and I soak them in that so that should help take down a bunch of that stuff that gets on there. I'm thinking at least that's what I think it should do. 

And so that's just kind of a precaution of what we're doing there. But I've never heard of these kinds of things affecting that. We know also the government, our government, we point to the Constitution. Nothing in Article One gives Congress any say so over health or health care. We just didn't give them that. And yet they have taken and not only written legislation about it, I mean, they've passed the Obamacare thing. 

All of that structure is still in place despite the mandates being removed, all of us being stuck in there, we're spending money on it, which we shouldn't be doing because they didn't have the right to write those things. Then they established something called what I call it the unconstitutional Food and Drug Administration. And we know they're in cahoots with fascist corporations like Big Pharma in order to push poisons on the population and to actually attack things that people could take. 

They make those choices to take themselves, which are free, pennies on the dollar, whatever the case may be. Such as some people have chosen to use chlorine dioxide. And you're right about Mark. We've had Mark on probably, I don't know, eight times in the past two or three months with little updates from prison. And people are very much in support, and they think something's wrong, and there is. 

But what was the situation that got you? I mean, you had your son, right? And he had autism. Can you give the people a little story about what went on there with your son and then how you came to understand that you needed to do something as a mom, and then what progressed from that. Sure. My son was diagnosed in 2004, actually, the twelveTH of March 2004. He was three and a half years old at that time. 

And he was going to a school where my other son was in school as well, just a regular old school. And the director of the school was like, oh, my friend, she's coming into town and she's a psychologist from the US. And I'd like her to see your kids. And I was like, all right, fine, because I've been to different doctors and they all said that, no, he was fine, and maybe because he was spoiled or bilingual or something like that, that he had a little bit of sidestep the language thing, but he had had speech and then he lost it. 

So they know factor that in. But by then, Patrick was sleeping so little that know, didn't even know which way was up know, so you start to forget things is really what happens. So anyway, the psychologist from the US, she observed my children, and I thought maybe she couldn't tell me about the older one, that maybe there was like a learning disability or something like that. And then she's like, oh, does Patrick, my younger one, does he always run in circles like that? I said yeah. 

Does he always flap like that when he's running in circles? And I said, yeah. And does he always make that high pitched dolphin sound? And I said, yeah. And she says, well, he might very well have autism. I was like, It doesn't sound good, whatever it is. It was 20 years ago, so it wasn't like it is today. It still is, much less frequent. Then I said, well, what do I do? How do you know, what do I do? And she says, well, you can do some therapies that really helps. 

And I was like, oh my gosh, this sounds like there's nobody that knows what's going on here. And so the next day, I go to this house that was turned into like a clinic or something. And I was living in Mexico at the time, and there were these two women, and they looked, know, deer in the headlight, just know they had no idea what they were going to do. 

And I was like, oh my gosh, this just looks awful. I mean, I cried continuously for about two years, so it was horrible. But at the same time I was crying, I was still being really proactive. And so somebody said, oh, hey, there's this guy, and he did this Sunrise program and he's living here in Vallarta now, and maybe he'll work with your kids. So I go find this guy and he's, no, no, I don't want to do that anymore. 

I am retired. I'm like, oh, but just teach me then. Teach me what you. Can do. And he's like, okay, I'll give you some pointers. And wasn't really helpful, but anyway, so I left his building, and as I was coming out, there was a woman that I used to play tennis next to. Again, we weren't, like, best friends. We weren't even really friends. We wouldn't even have coffee together. 

But she was on the court next to me, and somehow we would always kind of talk like our playtime was about the same time. And I saw her, and something said in my head, it's about smelling the roses along the way, the flowers along the path, right? Because I really didn't want to talk to anybody. Actually, at that point. I probably just wanted to die. And so I'm like, hey, Susan. 

And she's just like, oh, hey. And she had a new car. And I was like, well, congratulations on your new car. She said, I had a terrible week. She was a realtor. And I said, I'm really sorry. I said, I had a terrible week too. I said, my son was diagnosed with autism on the twelveTH of March. My dog of 14 years had to be put to sleep because she was old and sick the 13th. 

And then my identity was stolen on the Internet the 14th, and it was like, only like days later, I had a bad week. Turns her car off. She says, I'm so sorry. You hear that? She said, I have a friend. She started early autism center in Toronto, Canada. I'm going to give her your email. And again, this 20 years ago. So email was, like, kind of all we had. 

We didn't have any instant messaging or calling internationally for included, nothing like that. And so she sent this friend. Susan sent an email to the friend, and the friend sent me back this long email, and she started to explain what happened. I was like, okay, I'm not losing my mind. So I take up the pictures, and I'm looking at the pictures. I see this totally healthy kid. He's totally fine. 

He's fine. This guy's super smart. He's super fine. And then all of a sudden, he's not looking, and his face is, like, not making, like everyone's smiling. And he's, like, kind of confused. And there was a point where he went from smiling at the camera to the person smiling at him to just really strange. Really strange. So she said to me, you have to start doing biomedical interventions. 

You must do aba therapy. You've got to find this guy. He's the best there is in Aba. You've got to go to this doctor. He's the best there is. Which he wasn't. But anyway, at least it got me started on the right path. You have to do interventions that are like dietary. There's supplements and different things like that. So that was like the beginning of the path. And then as I moved along the path, I was finding a lot of other people, especially in Latin America, Mexico, that didn't know what was going on. 

There was really no information. We didn't have, like, a Google translator, translate this page. It wasn't like that still back then. So I started to translate stuff. I started to give it away. When someone, you know, so and so also has a child with autism, they will come to my house. I would tell them about the diet. I would tell them all the things I learned. I did it, like, one by one by one by one. 

And so finally, instead of having everybody in my house, I got a little place nearby the house where I could receive people. And so then it became a clinic. And then I bought a hyperbaric chamber, and then I had a doctor, then I had a nurse. Then I had psychologists doing Aba therapy. So everything I bought for my son, I shared with the people in the region. I mean, obviously, they would pay them the hours of work, but they were trained by me and the therapists, the PhDs in conductual therapy that I would bring down. 

They would be trained, and so they could work with my son as well as working with other children from the region. That was kind of how the whole clinic thing started. And then after about 2004, so six years, 2010, and in 2010, after having done everything stem cells, supplements, homeopathy, like, you name it, we did it. And then my son was better. We would say he's better, but it was still marginally better, like, considering all of the money that was spent, like $500,000, a lot of money. 

And so I laid on the bed, and I prayed. My kids were at school, and I just prayed. And I said, well, I don't know, maybe I'm saying the wrong name. I don't want to offend anybody. So I started going through in my head all the names that people pray to, and I started to remember the drops that I bought a year prior. So in 2009, I'd been in Guadalajara with a doctor, a pediatrician actually, who did IV chelations. 

He also had ozone therapy and things like that. So he was an alternative. But he also came out of pediatrics. And so I was there in 2009, and in walked his nurse, and she had these bottles, and there were women. We like those colors. It was like a bunch of blue bottles, like sapphire blue and, like, emerald green. I'm like, oh, what are those? And he says, oh, those are detoxification drops. 

I'm like, oh, I'll take some of those. And they were, like, $10. I mean, they were super cheap. And I was like, I'll take a few bunches of those things. He's like, Just take a drop here and there and whatever. So I didn't bank on them being anything for autism at the time. But then one year later, after finishing his last round of another promising therapy, and he was still not. 

Actually, he was worse. That was the last one. He was taking, like, 120 supplements and doing lab testing. They were just treating the labs, not the child. Horrible. Anyway, so that was when I laid on the bed and prayed. And then I remembered the drops. I said, well, can't hurt. Might help. I got nothing else to try. So I activate them. They activate, and then I go on Google. 

Now, this is 2010, and Google was actually a search engine back in the day. It's not anymore. So I'm digging around. There antiviral, antifungal, antibacterial, because by then I know that autism is a series of immune system goes down, oxidative stress goes up, inflammation goes up, pathogen load goes up, and the heavy metals overall, I may want to kind of, like, dummy it down from my own I don't think we have that much time together. 

Sure, we'll just go with that one. But anyway, so I said, well, everything that I see chlorine dioxide works for is all part of the autism label. And so I thought, well, gosh, I don't know how to make this stuff. And speaking of my friend Mark Brennan, our friend Mark Brennan, I'm looking for this Jim Humble guy, right? I'm online searching for him. I find some email about the church, and I send some email. 

I'm like, I'm this person. I've got this clinic, and I need to know how to use this stuff. But it doesn't have anything. They know we're on the Internet. It's for children and definitely not for autism. So he said, I'm going to have Jim get back to you. So Mark answered my email. That was the first contact with them. And then the next day, Jim just kind of gave me some real rough numbers. 

He's like, if a 25 pound kid one drop eight times, 50 pound kid two drops eight times, and 100 pound kid three drops eight times. My son was just turned he had just turned ten. It was August now of 2010, just turned ten in August was exactly 100 pounds. So if they tell you three drops eight times a day, you don't think maybe I should start with one drop? So I started with three drops eight times a day. 

And of course, he projectile vomited. And a lot of people like, you got poison? No, it's a detox reaction. Because we were finally killing those things that were causing this autism diagnosis label thing, all those behaviors that went along with it. So little by little after that, I started to figure out how to use it. But that first day, I'm giving it three jobs. I'm giving, I'm giving, and I'm giving it and then, like I said, that vomiting thing happened. 

And then that was maybe around five in the afternoon. So I said I'll let him rest a little while, give him some dinner. And then he and I were in the TV room, and I was reading a book, and he was jumping flapping up and down in front of the touch screen TV like usual. YouTubing. And at 09:00 at night, he turns to me, he says, I want bed. 

And I was like, you didn't just say that. So it was crazy, Tim. It was crazy because he would never say things that were just regular to go to bed or brush your teeth. He would never say those daily things he might ask for, like, I won't go walk. That is where his language got to after hyperbarics and diet. So we got some speech, but it was definitely not meaningful or anything that would be regular. 

So I thought, well, I was the only one there. And of course they always told me that my son was a non responder, so I believed them. So I thought, well, maybe I'm just hearing things or I want to hear something. And then again, he would have never asked to go to bed at 09:00 p. m. . He was just a guy who would just stay up until you told him, it's time for bed. 

We get up to his room. He turns to me, and he says, I want to take bath. And I was like, Whoa, that's crazy. I didn't have any anticipation for this ten or $20 bottles that I had bought the year prior. I had no expectation. I read on the Internet, but I read a lot of stuff on the Internet about stem cells for $30,000, and that didn't work, so a lot of stuff just fell short. 

So anyway, long and short of the story is that whole evening was like, crazy good. And then the next week, one of the things I never liked to do was take Patrick on a short drive. Like, if I was going to go run an like after he got home from school, I usually take him with me to go to the grocery store or run the errands that I had to run. 

But it was always kind of dreaded because if I came back too fast, there would be a tantrum. So this one day, and it was right in the beginning of the first ten days, I took him to actually the homeopath. I'm a homeopath. I went to go get some homeopathy for him because I always used a little of that too. But it was only like a seven minute drive there and a seven minute drive home. 

We get home like, okay, it's just going to go nuts right now. He gets out of the car, he goes upstairs, he walks to his room, and nothing. Normally, if it was a short, be like, slam door, slam door, scream, cry. And then of course, everybody in the house is like, yelling at each other like, what's wrong with the child? What's wrong? What's happening? It was just like, totally insane before. 

I'm like, oh, my gosh, he's changed. So that was 2010, and now we're in the end of 2023. So we're looking at 13 years, over 100,000 kids easily having done this, and they're like, yeah, it's dangerous, poisonous bleach, but nobody's died, so where's the dangerous, poisonous parts? And it's not bleach, because bleach is sodium hypochlorite. It's not chlorine know that's just an argument, and if people have any doubts or they're even interested in what I'm saying, the Universalantidote. 

com is a great documentary about chlorine dioxide. If you want to just know about CD, not about me, Jim, or anybody else, just really it's about chlorine dioxide, and it makes the impossible possible. And when I saw so by the end of 2010, people would come to my clinic to do hyperbarics or Ivaculation or do therapies or whatever they were doing there. So it was now a clinic with a lot of move it in there. 

People are like, wow, Patrick looks really good. What are you doing? I'm like, I bought these drops from this doctor. Here's his phone number. And then they're like, well, how do I take them? Like, Well, I don't really know. So that's when the Baby Bottle Method started and stuff, because you cannot start off with three drops eight times in. It's really insane. So we start off with one 16th of a drop. 

We grow slowly. One 16th of a drop, we got to stop there because I get so many people we've talked about chlorine dioxide. I get so many people, they go and they get it, and then they send all these messages. So I want everybody to listen very carefully. I don't know how you get a 16th of a drop. I don't know how that works. Can I go grab some things from my desk? Like 1 second? Okay, yeah, go ahead. 

All right, so while Carrie's doing that, a lot of you look, don't write the website and say, where do I get that? And what. I got to just pay attention. I didn't know we were going to talk about this piece, because actually, the Baby Bottle Method started in basically, 2010, because I was telling people, well, maybe we should just do, like, one drop in the morning, then the next day, one drop in the evening, and then kind of grow like that. 

But even for little kids that were, like, 38 pounds, for example, that's a lot to start with, one drop. So went to the baby bottle method. It's a 16 ounce bottle, and you that looks like more than 16oz. Wow. Yeah, it is. No, it is. Yeah, it is. I still have my Lifewave bottle, so it's about that size, too, I think. Yeah, you don't want to put it in stainless. 

You want to put it in glass because it's going to be held in glass. Yes, you can drink it out of plastic. That's not a problem. But if you're holding it all day long, you definitely want to be putting it in glass, right? And you want to make sure that you got a nice plastic tight lid because it's a gas and it can escape. So I'm a big fan of the Life Factory, even though this is, like, an antique now life Factory bottle. 

But the idea is that it has a nice tight lid, and then you take 1oz every 45 minutes all day long. Now, people like you or me, Tim, I guess we would just say, we're healthy. Let's go with that one. And so we might just swig off of it approximation of what an ounce feels like in your mouth, but when they're little people, you have to make sure that you're getting the right amount, because if you give too much, it can be too much detox, and they won't feel very good. 

So people that I work with also, I have them always start with the one drop divided into the 16 ounce, and we take it from the time we wake up until the time we go to bed. And then another really cool thing that somebody gave me the other day is to do enemas with this pump. So it's a fumigation pump that you can get at the hardware store, and then it just has this lovely tube on it, and you put your water in there for your enema instead of having those enema bags that hang. 

And then we just pump it. And then when it doesn't pump anymore, we put the tip in, and then we push the back button until everything's in it's very quick. So those are two of my favorite tools. These just, I think, know, really make life easy. Now, the last time we had you on, we had you on with Dr. Andres Kalker, and he was talking about the studies that had come out with them treating people with the convids with chlorine dioxide. 

And you said you got your protocols also from him with your son. And by the way, people, no, I didn't meet him yet. I didn't meet Andreas until late 2011, and I met him at the Urgency of Jim Humble, because I went to see Jim Humble after they were already kids recovered. So it was February of 2011. I went to the Dominican Republic. I met Mark and his boys and Jim and a lot of other nice people there that were there for the conference. 

They used to do, like, little training seminar. And so I went to say thank you because I figured out how to do CD, and he just gave me some really rough numbers, and I started to break it down differently, and so I just went to give him a hug and say thank you for everything. And so we became friends. We stayed in touch, and then one day in maybe like May, he says to me, you got to meet my friend Andreas. 

And so Andreas and I set up a zoom call, and we started talking, and he was saying to me about the parasites. So Andreas identified parasites in the enemas. What was coming out in the enemas were parasites. And that's why the kids were getting so much better by doing enemas, because we were able to get these toxic things out of their bodies, so they weren't absorbing all that toxic material that parasites have, like ammonia for. 

So Andreas created a protocol for parasites that uses mabendazole. Stonebreaker and I work in two languages, so sometimes we go back and forth. That's okay. Castor oil. Castor oil. So that is the part that Andreas gave to the Autism Protocol that I already created. And of course, my protocol continues to evolve every year because I come into great contact with really interesting people like Dr. Jonathan Wright about hydrochloric acid stomach, about rest in peace, Dr. 

Roby Mitchell. Black seed oil and the importance of the stomach. You know, different people will come into my life and they will bring me things. Bob Sands the hyperbaric chamber, how important that is. Take down brain inflammation, how important that is for speech. So many people have come into my life, and I believe that they're scents. I believe that they're gifts to yeah, exactly. Amen. And I'm so grateful for what I needed. 

And now you have to stay open. I'm always open, that's for sure. Because until you're recovering 100% of the kids, 100% of the time, I would say, we don't know anything yet. We've had some success, thank God, but we're still not getting 100% of the kids 100% of the time, and that's really a big problem. So we have to just stay open. And this year, I got a new supplement that I'm really into called Berberine. 

It does all kinds of amazing things. I've heard of that. I was really into Methylene blue. It does amazing things with Mitochondria. So there's always something kind of coming into my sphere of influence that's really interesting. And you say, like, wow, that's really cool, and it's going to help a lot of people because now I've watched the protocol. Not only does the protocol help children, but their parents. 

I mean, almost every mother that I'm working with has Hypothyroidism or Lyme disease or name the brothers or sisters, they have allergies, they have constipation, they have learning disabilities. Dr. Sherry Tempenny I did a conference last year, and she took part in it. She was one of the presenters in it. And she said something really interesting. Of the 24 kids that are diagnosed with autism, she said ten of those, it's one in 24. 

So she said ten of those 24 that don't get diagnosed with autism have a learning disability and or reduced IQs. So we start to look at children nowadays, and you're saying, well, I don't see really anybody healthy in that family. You start to look at the other kids in that family and they're also having problems. It's just not the same level of problems as the child with the autism. 

But something's going on. Yeah. So we can pretty much tie it back to the toxicity that goes in. And I'm going to know when we started dealing with the convids. We've got a contributor, Sons of Liberty Media, Suzanne Hamner, and she is a nurse and she calls me up. This is before we were going to have Dr. Andrew Kaufman on to talk know, he didn't think there was the virus and this, that and the other. 

He thought it was something else. And I think he's right. I think he's exactly right on it. But one of the things that she said was she says, Tim, if chlorine oxide is working, if hydroxychloroquine is working, if Ivermectin, those things deal with parasites, not viruses. So are we dealing with parasite? And I think that's in essence what we were ended up getting towards was that kind of thing. 

And these things are wreaking all kinds of havoc. And I think about you get all kinds of different kinds of parasites. Most of us think of tapeworms and things of this nature and stuff like that. You go to the Bible. One of the interesting things about King Herod there in Acts chapter two is he's given this speech, he's raiding all this shiny stuff and all the people go, it's a voice of a God and not of a man. 

And he didn't correct them. He liked the praise that he got. And the Bible says that an angel struck him and he died. He was eaten of worms. So I mean, he was apparently full of parasites. And then I learned there's a particular kind of parasite that you can have and if you kill that parasite, it's laid all kinds of eggs and when it dies it sends off some kind of frequency or something. 

All those eggs hatch and then you've got a real mess inside. I think Bob, our friend Bob interviewed a lady who had a problem. She was using all this stuff and she kept finding different kinds of parasites, flukes and all this other and that's what she was finding out. That was a frightening thought to think that you can have all of that in you. But you're doing this with your son. 

You've not only done it with your son, you've helped a ton of people, a ton of families and young people by using the chlorine dioxide, you've helped them. Right? You want to make sure you have the chlorine dioxide on board before you start playing around with parasites. This is really important because I do have parents that are like I just want to get that parasite protocol, that's it. 

So they've decided these parents or they've read or heard something that autism is caused from parasites, which is not the case. I mean, it's not like a direct correlation, autism in the diagnosis. They have bacteria, cannita, parasites, virus, heavy metals, inflammation. There's a lot of stuff going on, not just parasites. And if you go for your antiparasitics before you have your chlorine dioxide on board, the kids can get worse. 

Well, not just the kids, the parents. Anybody taking antiparasitates without having a nice foundation of chlorine dioxide, because that's going to take down inflammation and toxicity. It's also going to kill the other parts of the biofilm. What is a biofilm? Biofilms exist in the blood and in the gut, and they're made up of virus, bacteria, parasites, candidate heavy metals. So if you go in and you go after only the parasites, like you do with like mebendazole, bendazole, penbendazole, ivomectin, what about the other parts of it, the other pathogens? They're going to be also disturbed, and they're going to be able to float freely. 

They're going to be loose. We're going to start seeing what we call flares of bacteria. So now you're seeing anger or you're seeing with candy, you're going to see that kind of manic laughter or crying or these kind of things. So you're going to start to see symptomatic things, because the chemicals that they're releasing, especially when they release in large amounts, you're going to see it looks like the physical is manifesting in the emotional. 

It's really going like that. So that's why it's really important to make sure that you have chlorine dioxide on board before you start dealing with parasites, no matter who you are. Not just children with autism. Anybody? Yeah, that's a good point to make. All right, I wanted to do this while you were going and getting a thing. I just want to get this out to people. So look, don't write and say, hey, where can I get this? You can get this stuff all over the place. 

But here's an easy way to remember it. If you have a hard time, bestchlorinedoxide. com. How easy is that? Bestchlorinedoxide. com. You can get it there. You can get the part A and B, and then you want to pick up this book right here. This is Jim Humble's book. MMS. Health Recovery Guidebook. And it's got a ton of protocols in there. Just follow what he says. It's not hard. 

It's not mean. I don't want to make it hard for people. Everybody thinks, oh, I've got to be so scientific and I got to get this many drops and this, that, and the other, and it's really not that difficult to do. It really isn't. I really recommend the Bottle Method to everybody. Jim lived with me for two years, from 2012 to 2014. And Jim's a little bit more, well, rest in peace. 

I love this man. A little bit more. What do you call it? The Kamikaze. Because I remember one time, like Jim at three drops, eight times a day on the first day is pretty rough. He's just like, yeah, but when you make it through, you feel great afterwards. That scares the people. Why do we want to do this so anyway, I mean, the bottle method is great. It works fine. 

And people say, oh, you have to make it up fresh. Why? If you're using your test strips, it's not true. These bottles actually last about 72 hours. If you were to take three bottles like I've had families where the grandparents watch the kids for the weekend. Mom and dad go to a hotel, for example, just to R and R. They make up three bottles, stick them in the fridge. 

Day one, one bottle. Day two, two bottles. And on day three they still have 3000 parts per million. So it's all about the parts per million. And you've got that especially over one day. I mean, one day your last dose still has 3000 parts per million. There's not even an issue with it. And it just makes your life so much easier. And you can break up your drops into equal parts. 

I wouldn't work with that. I wouldn't want anybody to feel bad. So why would do something like that when we can do something so much easier? Or even like I got this massive bottle and I drink that over the day. I could still throw drops in there, for example, and I just sip on all dicks. I sit at a desk. Yeah, one of the things that I did learn about it was if you're going to take nutrition supplements, vitamin B, 17, apricot seeds, stuff like that, you need to take it and then wait an hour. 

Or you need to drink your chlorine dioxide, wait an hour and take it because it goes and attacks that. Now that was something I learned from Bob here recently and I'm glad for that, that I learned that because I just drink it all day long and it wasn't a big problem. What I had was I had problems when I didn't take it. That was when I got sick twice over the past year and it was when I wasn't. 

We'd put like 30 drops in a three gallon container that's gravity fed filtering water and everybody drink out of that. And that was probably plenty enough to be proactive, but I didn't realize that it kind of went against some of the other things I was taking. So I had to time everything out. But let me ask you this, because we are talking about autism. This is just going to be your opinion. 

You probably have read some things too. Do you think that all of these different things that are happening, that they are purposefully being done because these pharmaceutical companies are turning them out. They know all these adverse effects. They try to tell you they're safe and effective. Which blows my mind because if they're safe and effective, we shouldn't be having any of these kind of problems coming up on people, including death. 

Do you think that it's purposeful that they're doing this to people when we say they I think the important thing. Would be to clarify, they big pharma, government, the whole they're in it together, as far as I'm concerned. But if we talk about don't, it's not Joe Biden and Donald Trump or FDA Big Pharma. If we say big pharma, it's not your medical doctor, for example. There's something way above those guys that have this registered that they need to push this agenda because they need to get rid of more of us useless eaters. 

So, yes, I believe it is, but I don't think it is at the level where people think it is. Like, oh, but my doctor, he seems like he doesn't know. He doesn't know he's administering it, but at the same time, he's still not the reason why we have vaccination. Would you say he's been indoctrinated to this is what he's going to do, and then obviously they're going to give him incentives. 

We found out about that, too, but he may not have the mindset that says, well, I've been taught this is good for you. He's relaying it even though it's not, even though it's a lie. He's been taught that it's been good. So he's doing it out of ignorance, so to speak, is what you're saying, right? Yeah, he doesn't have all the information. Yeah. And that seems to me to be why the FDA wants to come out and go against all these other things that seem to work. 

And I'm not for the pharmaceutical versions of a lot of stuff. Boy, I am convinced that God has given us everything we need. We don't have to synthesize it necessarily, we can do that. But I was curious as to how you see that. And again, you've had lots of success all over the world. You worked in Germany, you worked in Mexico, you worked here in the States, and they tried to go after you. 

Carrie, we've got got a minute here left, and I want to give you time, tell people where they can find out more about you and when you do some of your interviews and things like that. Well, I work with people all over the world every day. So one of the beautiful things about Internet in 2023 is there's always this video conferencing like, you and I are far, far away from each other, but we're still able to have a nice conversation and see each other, and it feels good. 

So, yeah, my email is Carrie At. Carrie Rivera. It's Carrie with an I. My parents had a good sense of humor, as you can see. So Carrie with an I@carrivera. com, feel free to email me or go to Carrie. com just to look around. I've done some really great videos that interviewed really interesting people, people I really adore, and yeah, that's the best way to do it. And if you have any questions and I got a book coming out this month of November. 

Nice. Yes, I'm really excited about that because it's been about ten years since I released that last one people like. But in your book it says like that book is from 2014. Now we're going to be up to date, Tim. Everything's going to be fine. That sounds good. Well, let me know when the book comes out and we'll see if we can bring you back on. Maybe have a conversation about that too. 

Thank you so much, my friend. Great to see you again. Yeah, thank you. Hang on and I'll say goodbye to you off air. Guys, catch Bradley at three, lord willing. We'll be back with you in the morning, 06:00 a. m. . Don't forget Carrie. com. See you. Bye. .